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1 Mike Johnson [johnsonm@b17CB RADIO
2 The Richards [smrm@coast24Brain picking
3 "Adams, Bill" [badams@us32Final resting place for the Hi Lift > 109
4 AKBLACKLEY@aol.com 35Heating and demisting
5 "Adams, Bill" [badams@us36Re: Brain picking
6 AKBLACKLEY@aol.com 15UPS Charges
7 Rob MacCormick [Rob_MacC15u-joints
8 Adrian Redmond [channel640Re: CB RADIO
9 twakeman@scruznet.com (T76Re: Brain picking
10 rovah@agate.net (John Ca20Series III Timing and Points Gap
11 "Mark Gehlhausen" [Gehl@9Re: Brain picking
12 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@NR13Re: UPS Charges
13 ASFCO@aol.com 20Re: RN Mugs was Re: The AW blues
14 m8f@ornl.gov (M Scott Fu28Soft Top Assembly Diagram
15 jimallen@onlinecol.com (59Re: Series III Timing and Points Gap
16 "Adams, Bill" [badams@us24Bob Kelly's truck
17 lopezba@atnet.at 44Re: Heaters...Brrrrr
18 Jon Callas [jon@worldben15Stainless Steel grilles for a D90
19 Michael Carradine [cs@cr29D90 Model Toy
20 EvanD103@aol.com 19Re: Series III VIN numbers
21 Ross [fax.rescue@hunterl40Re: Soft Top Assembly Diagram
22 Michael Carradine [cs@cr32Re: Series III VIN numbers
23 jimallen@onlinecol.com (14Re: Series III VIN numbers
24 cbemail@mindspring.com (10Re: 1962 series IIA 88" Land Rover, off frame, fully restored with Rover North
25 cbemail@mindspring.com (25Santanas
26 Kevin Girling [lroshop@i131995 LROI Index
27 Russell U Wilson [ruwst+20Re: Santanas
28 rover@pinn.net (Alexande22UPS'n
29 NADdMD@aol.com 16U-joint substitute part number
30 twakeman@scruznet.com (T15Re: Santanas
31 David Rosenbaum [rosenba17Re: Stainless Steel grilles for a D90
32 MOKE67@aol.com 9Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest


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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 08:06:13 -0500
From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com>
Subject: CB RADIO

I have a Cobra 148 and have had it for 8 years.  I have had it in my
Dodge truck, Isuzu Trooper, Ford truck and now my Rover.  I used to live
in Tucson Az and the off-roading there is pretty rough and very HOT! 
Now where I live its wet and cold.  So it has taken all the vibration
and climate very well.  I can't compare it to anything else,  I haven't
owned anything else.  Also If you are a HAM its very easy to mod for
10Meters.

Mike Johnson (N7WBO)
74 SIII 88 (Chester)
73 SIII 88 (Jezebel)
http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm

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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 08:23:15 -0500
From: The Richards <smrm@coastalnet.com>
Subject: Brain picking

Hello Land Rover folk,
 I've just signed on to the digest for this list. In the last year or so I
keep coming back to the notion of purchasing a Series Land Rover. I'd be
looking for a solid enough runner, preferably a lwb station wagon. It need
only be in good enough shape to roam a fifty mile area around my hometown,
and I would entertain it occassionally with the national forest that we
border. I'm selling my Grand Cherokee to help feed by Brit car habit, as I
have 67 MGB in restoration and a 74 Jensen Interceptor with which to
terrorize the unsuspecting. With the addition of a Land Rover, I figure
between the three of them I'd have one or two on the road -- if not I'd have
to go hat in hand to my wife to borrow her A4, sigh. 
 A Land Rover would seem to be a perfect answer to my needs, a haul stuff,
dog-drool down the side and don't wash it everyday vehicle. If anyone comes
across any prospects an email would be appreciated. I would also know if
there are any one or two books (apart from shop manuals, of course) that
would be recommended for Series Rovers.
 Thanks, and hope to join the legion soon.

Michael, New Bern, NC

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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 8:42:07 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Final resting place for the Hi Lift > 109

After months of having this monster slide around various locations in the 
station wagon, I've finally arrived at the solution for mounting the jack 
inside the truck.
At first it was simply plunked in the rear floor, where it clattered and 
clanked with every turn and bump in the road. Next it went onto a mount 
that I cobbled together out of a plank and some carriage bolts and 
installed on the roofrack. Dave B***** and the Down East trail made quick 
work of that brilliant idea when a tree tried to brush the whole mess off 
the rack.
So then it went under the rear seat where the other tools are clipped 
underneath. It was more or less out of the way and didn't seem to slide 
around too much, but would have gone flying under the right conditions. 
Also, if I had long objects to carry, they wouldn't slide under the seat.
At last the answer came to me. It requires more of my 
sculpturally-inspired engineering, but the best place seems to be with 
the jack mounted to the front passenger seatbelt securing bolts just 
behind the seat box.
This way it is not going to slide around, it's off the floor and 
consequently away from the feet of the rear seat passengers, it's easily 
accessable, and it's out of the weather.
The only drawback of this arrangement is that I can't flop the seat 
forward. Like I ever do.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 09:15:41 -0500
Subject: Heating and demisting

I think I'll jump in with a few cents worth of opinion on the subject. On my
old Ser. IIA the PO had "installed" ( I had to reinstall properly) a box
heater of the type sold in JC Whitney for trucks, vans etc. which need
additional heat. The original box was removed and the new bolted down on the
bulkhead centered over the old hole. It leaked like the devil, hence my
removal and reinstallation. It was also missing the heater control valve, so
I installed a valve from a Ford F250 which is installed in the heater hose
and is just a simple lever actuated affair. A choke cable was used to open
and close it. It drew air in from the engine compartment,as I never did
engineer a hose connection to the fender. Since my engine was clean and
mostly free of leaks ( at least topside) there was no problem with oily
fumes. The whole setup worked well, but probably not as hot as the fabled
Kodiak, and blower motor was much stronger than the usual Smiths device. That
heater could barely keep the windshield frost free on an MGB, never mind all
the glass on a Landie!

It really was OK until sub 20 deg.F. Then the air leaks and heat transfer
through the body meant it was only adequate to keep the screen clean, and the
driver and passengers needed to wear a parka. Subsequent seal replacements
helped. On the pre-Series III the vent area under the windshield is prone to
heat transfer, especially thru the demister tubes. I added some insulation
between them and the vents, and my wife made a very neat draft (draught)
excluder to fit in that space and behind the vent controls. In principle it
is like those sold in craft stores to keep out drafts from under doors, along
windows, etc. Lookd like a long tube, filled with stuffing. She found some
tweed remnants at the fabric store that resemble the County pattern. Looked
smart. 
In defense of Smiths I will say that the heater in my 83 RR is excellent, and
for an late 60s design well done too. Cheers. Andy Blackley 

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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 9:12:11 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Brain picking

Prepare to pay much more for a 5 door wagon than any other type of Land 
Rover. Unless you can find either a basket case or someone who has no 
idea of what they've got, a wagon is the most expensive way to go. Trust 
me on this. OTOH, a wagon will provide more all-around flexibility and 
will certainly handle a pile of bodies.
For out and out hauling and hard work, the 109 pickup is the best option. 
This can be modified with a full hard top. Shy away from any 109 with the 
stock six cylinder side valve engine. The best, of course, is the Stage 1 
with the V8.
88s are best off-road due to their nimbleness and power-to-weight ratio. 
109s have a much larger turning radius and tend to drag their a** and 
high center in places that an 88 handles deftly. 
If you are using it mainly for work, a power take-off can be added which 
can drive farm implements, as long as the transmission has not been 
fitted with an overdrive unit.
Both diesel and gas engines are available. The diesels are much less 
common, but generally are preferred for seriuos off-roading due to the 
absence of ignition parts. Both types of engine share the same block, so 
fitment in the vehicle is the same.
Generally speaking, a Land Rover in fair to good condition will run in 
the 7-10 K range. Adjust that up or down depending on vehicle condition, 
body style and accessories. Age doesn't really come into play as a point 
of value;  the vehicles are pretty much the same from year to year, with 
only a few major changes.

Borrow the A4? That's hitting bottom!
 
Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 09:15:35 -0500
Subject: UPS Charges

Trevor wrote about his terrible experiences with UPS. For what it is worth I
recently bought over $400 in parts from Famous Four, who ship UPS, and
include the shipping cost on the charge to my VISA. Very, no extremely,
satisfactory service from them, using the "expedited" service (third most
expensive) my parts came over from Blighty in just over a week. A rush order
(2nd most expensive) came in three working days.
I subsequently recieved a bill for $22 for customs charges from UPS. Not too
bad. Maybe they have the brokerage thing worked out in the UK but not Canada?
Go figure. Cheers and Happy Holidays. Andy Blackley.

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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 09:31:22 -0500
From: Rob MacCormick <Rob_MacCormick@Harvard.Edu>
Subject: u-joints

Some months ago (while it was still warm) I came across a U-joint with a
hole where a grease fitting oughta go. Last night (of course, wait till
Winter!) while assisting in the replacement of the u-joints in the rear prop
shaft we had the opportunity to look inside the little devil w/o the grease
fitting.....Yup grease and water living together....visible scoring on the
spider....Total Chaos!....Now that that's taken care of (Many thanks ajr)
I've got one less voice in the chorus....Next week I'll post part numbers as
the "parts guy" wasn't excited into action by the "precision" or "National"
369 references.....Could be a peculiarity with the parts house I visited,
who knows.....Rob M Concord, MA USA.....IIa dorkmobile

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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 15:44:09 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: CB RADIO

John & Sandy Cooper wrote:
> Does anyone know a high Quality brand CB that will withstand the rigors of
> camping and moderate off-road bumps.  I`ve heard the cobra brand do not
> stand up well to any bumps or knocks.                John Cooper 11a

I am a relative newcomer to CB, but am used to mounting/transporting all
sorts of electronic equipment in my Series vehicles. I have just fitted
CB's in them both - a Danish make Danitas, the Mark 3 and trhe Mark 5,
using a 1/4 wavelength antenna with coil and spring mount.

You can read about Danitas equipment at their website, and maybe find
out about dealers in US. Their gear is very well built and easy to use,
I am not worried abouit mounting it in a series.

The website for danitas is

http://www.danitas.dk

good luck!
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 07:51:53 -0800
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Brain picking

At  9:12 AM 12/27/96 -0500, Adams, Bill wrote:
;
<snip>
> a wagon will provide more all-around flexibility and
>will certainly handle a pile of bodies.
;For out and out hauling and hard work, the 109 pickup is the best option.
>This can be modified with a full hard top. Shy away from any 109 with the
>stock six cylinder side valve engine. The best, of course, is the Stage 1
;with the V8.
<snip>

I disagree.  I think the 109 regular is the most versatile all around Land
Rover legally available in the US.  The bed is long enough to sleep in, you
can add rear seating and seat lots of people.  It can be amost anything you
need.  Mine has been a pickup, hauling up to 11 bales of hay at a time (@
120# each).
Its been a hard top hauling 7 bales of hay in The rain.  Its been loaded to
the roof line in manure & used beding and transported a lot of livestock.

It's been a casual camper, with gear bungie corded to the side benches in
plastic tote boxes and a chase lounge pad down the middle for a bed.

Its now becoming an expidition Land Rover.  It currently has a two burner
stove, refrigerator, two sinks and a wardrobe, and will soon have a second
wardrobe.  The safari top that had replaced the pickup top has been
replaced with the top from a Dormobile that pops up and and has two cots at
the roof line.

My 109 regular has two front petrol tanks plus the same rear tank that the
five door has for a total of 40 gallons of petrol.  The only way you can do
this with a five door is adding aux tanks and have to lift the seat bottoms
to fill the front tanks from the inside.

Did I mention the long side benches?  There are built in tool boxes in the
benches behind the wheels and lots of empty space under the tool boxes
ahead of the wheels behind the front petrol tanks.  I have a 5 gallon
propane tank on one side and a 15 gallon stainless steel water tank on the
other side under the benches.  This takes up no space within the car,
outside the car and it keeps the center of gravity low.

I have an aux gel cell deep cycle battery in one of the rear tool boxes.
it takes about 1/3rd of the rear toolbox.

A five door on the other hand has those rear seats (removable though), an
uneven rear bed, no under bench space in front of the rear wheels to mount
things out of the way, is heavier than a stock 109 regular, and has the
same space behind the rear seats as an 88.  I think a five door is a lot
less flexible than an 88 or 109 regular.  The only advantage I can think
of, is that in stock form, the five door has more comfortable seating for
more than two people than any of the others in stock form.

Discounting US spec D90s, I think the best off roader is probably a series
I 80.  its the smallest and lightest of the bunch.  The most versitile all
around Series Land Rover is the 109 regular, or if you are outside North
America, a 110 two door.

The Land Rover six cylinder is a dog that was only imported to the US  for
one year, but it does have more horse power than a 2-1/4L petrol and
handles highway speeds better.  So for road use, the 6 cylinder is
superior.  Also the bulkhead is shaped differently than the bulkheads that
came in the 4 cylinder cars.  This extra clearence allows you to easily
drop in a lighter and way more powerful Chevy six cylinder engine.

While it is true that you can wade deeper in a disel, the the 2-1/4 L
normally asperated disel engine that was the only option for North America,
is gutless, having less HP than a 2-1/4L petrol.  In addition it's loud and
smelly.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 11:08:51 -0500 (EST)
From: rovah@agate.net (John Cassidy)
Subject: Series III Timing and Points Gap

   I took SWAMBO, my '74 Series III to my mechanic to help diagnose the
poor acceleration/bogging problem, and he found that increasing the points
gap to 17 thousands and decreasing the sparkplug gap to .30, and advancing
the timing to 11-12 degrees, he achieved near perfect operation.
    Has anyone else had to do do this to their Series III?  I'm curious!

Thanks for any information!  John

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA
XO of the VMFA 509th COUGARS

2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover, 1966 Series IIA,
   1974 Series III

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 11:04:50 -500
Subject: Re: Brain picking

Teri,
Did you say you have a 109 or a 190???
Mark

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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 11:19:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: UPS Charges

On Fri, 27 Dec 1996 AKBLACKLEY@aol.com wrote:

> I subsequently recieved a bill for $22 for customs charges from UPS. Not too
> bad. Maybe they have the brokerage thing worked out in the UK but not Canada?

	Problem lies where goods enter Canada.  UPS within Canada is 
	fine, and I understand they are very good within the USA.  It seems
	just don't mix the two.

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 12:39:14 -0500
Subject: Re: RN Mugs was Re: The AW blues

In a message dated 96-12-26 13:40:33 EST, you write:

>Hah, talk about non-deliveries :)  I've got a letter from RN indicating
>I'm "owed" a mug on backorder for a spotting.  That letter is about 6 months
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>cheers,
>Jeremy

I had the same letter here for the past 6 mos also..one of the kids got the
credit and ...no mug..called several times same reply...back order..called
last week said we'll check ...got two mugs last Monday.
They have changed the design as well.
Rgds
Steve

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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 12:38:35 -0500
From: m8f@ornl.gov (M Scott Fugate)
Subject: Soft Top Assembly Diagram

Gang,

As I have been a good boy all year, Santa (well, my wife, really) was good
to me at Christmas, and gave me the genuine hoop set I've been wanting for
my IIa 88.  In the process of inspecting the pieces for damage,
completeness, etc., I discovered that the set came with what could be
described as the fixing kit from Hell.  In addition to the obvious brackets
and fittings, there are about three pounds of screws, bolts of various
sizes, locking nuts, square(!) nuts, pop rivets, regular rivets, a hard
rubber strip , two soft foam pads, etc., etc.

Figuring out what goes where could take a month.  My shop manual shows nice
diagrams of the regular hardtop and station wagon top, but no soft top.  Is
there some nice person out there with a parts book who might be willing to
Xerox(tm) the appropriate diagrams and mail them to me?  I want to get this
right.  No huge rush, as I will leave the hard top on until Spring.  I just
wanted to make the appeal while it was fresh on my mind.

Thanks in advance.  E-mail me direct for my postal address.

Scott Fugate
1970 IIa 88
1989 RR

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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 11:16:44 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: Series III Timing and Points Gap

>   I took SWAMBO, my '74 Series III to my mechanic to help diagnose the
>poor acceleration/bogging problem, and he found that increasing the points
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 17 lines)]
>2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
>4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover, 1966 Series IIA,
>   1974 Series III

John,

        Opening up the plugs a bit can help if your ignition system is up
to it. The stock Lucas coil is marginal (I test one and could get only
about 12-15KV out of it - you want 25KV at least) but an upgrade and good
wires can bump available voltage a lot. In the old days, I ran a Blue-Bosch
coil and a set of high quality aftermarket wires (for a Toyota 8RC) and had
good results.
        The point .001" gap increase should have little to do with better
performance but the timing will sure help. Some years ago, I did a "plug
chop" to determine the maximum advance possible for a 2.25. It worked out
to about 10BTDC at sea level on premium fuel. As far as I remember, Bangor
is close to sea level so I advise caution on your timing settings. Just
because you don't hear detonation (pinging), doesn't mean it isn't
occuring.
        The plug chop involves a minute inspection of new spark plugs with
a lighted magnifying glass after a hard run (and shut down without idling)
for aluminum flakes (from the piston). My test showed the flakes starting
to appear at about 12BTDC on an 8-1 engine.
        There are some variables and cautions invloved.
        1) 7-1 engines can go farther and 12BTDC ?should? be OK.
        2) Cold weather and high altitude allow for higher settings.
        3) The opposite is true for very hot weather. Back off at least 3
more degrees (from 10 BTDC to about 6-7 BTDC) for 100plus weather or
continuous heavy loads.
        4) Your mechanical advance and or vacuum advance could be faulty.
Check total advance. You'll need a special adjustable timing light to do
this. Stock total mechanical advance of a Lucas 45D dist is 38-42
crankshaft degrees (about 21 dist. degrees ) with them coming in at 600
rpm. The vacuum unit adds a maximum of 11-14 degrees at high vacuum. Any
initial advance you give will add to the total and I used about 48 degrees
as a max-all-around on mine, which means I kept it set on a nominal 6
degree BTDC idle setting.
        5) All this is variable according to your engine. A 2bbl, headers &
low restriction exhaust, all can change the engine's requirements. Also,
different distributors have different specs, late Lucas, Ducellier, etc.
        6) The vacuum advance advance more on light loads but is
essentially inop at full throttle or a vacuum below 3.5"HG. You can get
detonation (and burned valves of your timing is set to far advanced when
the vacuum advance kicks in a few extra degrees on part throttle operation.
Many tuners (me included) preferred to leave the vacuum advance out of the
equation,though economy does tend to suffer. At one point, I had the dist.
recurved to deliver about 52 crankshaft degrees of advance with no vacuum
advance at all. I figure I lost at least 1-2mpg but she ran gooood! with
the 2bbl and headers.

        Jim Allen

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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 13:32:12 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Bob Kelly's truck

last evening I had the pleasure of meeting Bob Kelly and his '66 2A 88 
diesel Station Wagon (RHD). We had to do a top-up of his goop holes, and 
mine as well (on the truck, silly) and so I got to see the underside too.
Somebody with a 4 foot long torque wrench put his filler plugs in and we 
had a heck of a time getting them loose, but out they came, one by one.
Whoever did the work on this truck did a pretty good job, as it looks and 
sounds good. 
It is accessorized with a Brownchurch rack, bull bar, nondescript winch, 
rear worklight and rear door wiper.
Shod with meaty Cooper mud tires, it stands tall. 
The Perkins diesel fits nicely and sounds good. Nice to have all that 
marine-grade aluminum under the hood. A Fairey overdrive unit is fitted.
Inside, Trakkers seats and rear jumps make everything homey.
Nice truck.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 20:47:04 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Heaters...Brrrrr

Floris wrote:

>Anyway, I also have heater problems and I thought I'd just chuck them in
>the group now that everybody has dredged up all the info on them.
>I think I have a smiths, (shinburner type) but it has a lable stating
>that is a german made bosch. 

>The round core is still perfect only the fan motor run out of it's
>bearings and now does about 2 rpm before it stops and starts emitting a
>rather bad odor. (a bit like my computer)
:Any ideas on where to get replacement parts / have it rebuilt / install
>a kodiak (the heater that takes photos?) or just freeze.
>I wouldn't mind a really cheap fix.

You can get working Smith's by the dozen in the UK, and the lineup is 
similar to the Bosch. This will give you a chance to rip out the Bosch and 
sell it to me - I have one that is still working pretty well, but sans front 
flaps, and have never seen another one in a car fleamarket around here. Is 
it a deal?

>2nd problem:
>I took the rear left brake (109 sIIa) apart to find out why it wasn't
>doing it's bit and found out that there was lots of oil all over the
>pads etc... It seems to be leaking from along the axle somewhere.
>Any clues? Could this be a leakage due to a blocked axle case breather?

That may well contribute - it sits on the left (longer) side of the axle, 
take it out and shake it. If it rattles, it should be fine, although 
cleaning the inside probably would not hurt. If it doesn't rattle its 
blocked, but should be cleanable. If nothing helps exchange it for a 
breather from a D110. However, you will have to rebuild your hub since the 
oil seal will be damaged. Also make sure to change your brake linings.

Have a good 1997 and keep the networks up!
Regards

Peter Hirsch
Vienna, Austria
Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 12:04:33 -0800
From: Jon Callas <jon@worldbenders.com>
Subject: Stainless Steel grilles for a D90

A fellow I know is (like me) getting a '97 D90 SW. However, he used to be a
guide in Alaska and had an old 88 that he put 47K off-road miles on. He has
sniffed that the one thing he'd change on the new Defenders is the grille.
He wants a stainless steel grille, not the stupid plastic one. You can't
cook on a plastic grille.

Does anyone know if there is a way to get a stainless steel grille for a
new Defender?

	Jon

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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 13:54:30 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: D90 Model Toy

 Yes, I'm envious!

 My 5 year old son received a 1/32 scale realistically modeled D90 "Land
 Rover Station Wagon" by New-Ray Toys Co. Ltd, item #44323, manufactured
 in China.  It has a dark green metal body with opening doors, and a white
 plastic hard top that looks like a Series HT, a black plastic front roo
 bar and rear bar, five spoke chrome rims and oversized rubber tires
 including a spare on the rear.  The underside shows an exposed frame and
 spring suspension, not coils :(    Now here's the good part... it has a
 flywheel drive mechanism that allows it to be accelerated and let go, with
 a center driveline connecting the front and rear axles for true four wheel
 drive with lockers on!  It even has a familiar drive-line clonk.  Best of
 all, the vehicle sold for under $10 at Long's Drug stores.  There are also
 Hummer's (blue and red) available with a wider and longer wheelbase, and a
 Jeep (yellow).  Unfortunately the were all sold out when I checked the two
 local stores to get my own D90 (sorry Jeremy, maybe other Long's have it).

 Maybe I can trade my son a Jeep for the D90? ...NAAHH!!

 Regards,
                       ______
 Michael Carradine     [__[__\==                  72-88, 89-RR Land Rovers
 510-988-0900          [________]               www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html
 cs@crl.com _________.._(o)__.(o)__..o^^ POBox 494, Walnut Creek, CA 94597

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From: EvanD103@aol.com
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 18:32:00 -0500
Subject: Re: Series III VIN numbers

Dale Avery recently posted an observation aimed at John Dillingham to the
affect that his 1973 Series III's  VIN number was very close to that of
John's - that they must have come down the assembly line in close proximity.
 Well guys, mine's even closer to John's.  25902684 B must have been made
eight trucks later than John's (his being 25902676 B).  It's perhaps not too
much of a surprise as we live within about 50 miles of each other.  The
trucks were probably sold through the same dealer in the Atlanta, Georgia
area some 22 or 23 years ago.  Wish I knew more about the history.  Can you
help John?
Happy New Year to all,
   erik
Erik van Dyck
Stone Mountain, Georgia

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Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 10:31:28 +1000
From: Ross <fax.rescue@hunterlink.net.au>
Subject: Re: Soft Top Assembly Diagram
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M Scott Fugate wrote:

> As I have been a good boy all year, Santa (well, my wife, really) was good
>  No huge rush, as I will leave the hard top on until Spring.  I just
> wanted to make the appeal while it was fresh on my mind.
> ...
Welcome to the world of soft top. Must have cost heaps. Fit it now tho, to 
see if it is all there and sell the hard top: burn those bridges! Go 'Gods 
must be crazy' and remove the heater thingy that takes up so much band width. 
Use 'wet-ones' to demist like us (if it rains). Foam pads you mention puzzle 
me. A soft top will also leak less than the hard top probably - at least that 
is my experience. 
My Christmas present was the latest issue of LROI to hit the stands here... 
The October one with Bob Morrison on 'Down East Rally'! Is it any wonder that 
the internet has taken off at such speed in Australia.
Do you a pic of your vehicle on the web?
Ross.

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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 16:17:12 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Series III VIN numbers

At 06:32 PM 12/27/96 -0500, Erik van Dyck <EvanD103@aol.com> wrote:
:Dale Avery recently posted an observation aimed at John Dillingham to the
:affect that his 1973 Series III's  VIN number was very close to that of
:John's - that they must have come down the assembly line in close proximity.
: Well guys, mine's even closer to John's.  25902684 B must have been made
:eight trucks later than John's (his being 25902676 B).  It's perhaps not too
:much of a surprise as we live within about 50 miles of each other.  The
:trucks were probably sold through the same dealer in the Atlanta, Georgia
:area some 22 or 23 years ago.  Wish I knew more about the history.

 Based on your vehicles' serial numbers you guys probably are listed on the
 same vehicle record sheet.  Write for a definitive answer including shipping
 dates, dealer destination, and color info, by inquiring to:
        Mr. John Riley
        Project eng,, Traceability
        LAND ROVER
        Lode Lane, Solihull
        West Midlands B29 8NW
        England

 Mr. Riley generally responds in 3 or 4 weeks.

 Happy New Year!
                       ______
 Michael Carradine     [__[__\==                  72-88, 89-RR Land Rovers
 510-988-0900          [________]               www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html
 cs@crl.com _________.._(o)__.(o)__..o^^ POBox 494, Walnut Creek, CA 94597

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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 17:24:52 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: Series III VIN numbers

Series III folks,

        While wrench-twisiting at  the Last Land Rover dealer I worked for,
in drove a S3 just one number after mine. Damn near passed out. It was a
pristine rig with only 30K on the clock and looking like it. When I bought
mine, it hadn't run in 9 years, had no glass and several bullet holes. Oh
well.

Jim Allen

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Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 00:33:30 GMT
From: cbemail@mindspring.com (Christopher Buckley)
Subject: Re: 1962 series IIA  88" Land Rover, off frame, fully restored with Rover North

Plese contact me regarding this posting.

Best,

CIB

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Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 00:46:23 GMT
From: cbemail@mindspring.com (Christopher Buckley)
Subject: Santanas

Best wishes for the New Year, y'all.  I just returned from Texas where I
saw (as I've already told some of you) a truly pristine Santana '78 SWB.

First time I ever saw one of these things.  Someone drove it up from Costa Rica.

Any opinions out there regarding the Rover's Spanish cousin?

I've been searching for a SWB so long, and this is in such beautiful shape
(and is so unusual), that I must admit I'm tempted, as it is for sale . . .

Cheers,

CIB

"Adios Amigos;
 Farewell senioritas.
 Your salty tears
 flavor our margaritas."

    -- Jerry Jeff Walker

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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 20:26:39 -0500
From: Kevin Girling <lroshop@idirect.com>
Subject: 1995 LROI Index

To find an article from any 1995 issue of LROI you can now use our resource
centre at:

http://web.idirect.com/~lroshop/

Other years will eventually be added if interest warrants it.

Happy New Year to everyone on the Digest.

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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 20:59:20 -0500 (EST)
From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Santanas

On Sat, 28 Dec 1996, Christopher Buckley wrote:

> Best wishes for the New Year, y'all.  I just returned from Texas where I
> saw (as I've already told some of you) a truly pristine Santana '78 SWB.
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>  flavor our margaritas."
>     -- Jerry Jeff Walker
HOw much $$$  ??  what the hell...why not if it looks good, runs good  and
you like it.  The last part being the most important, why not.  It is very
unusual..  be careful of the year though  remember the old 25 yr rule. you
are about 6 yrs early on this one.  It just my be a 72 though...those 2s
and 8s on the VIN plate can sometimes be confused...

Russ W.
still confused

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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 21:21:27 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: UPS'n

Dixon wrote:

>All solved now, but just another reason to avoid UPS when moving stuff
>between the USA and Canada...

You mean all those adds on TV with UPS "moving at the speed of business" 
showing on-time, overnight deliveries across Europe and the rest of the 
*known world* are, well, *untrue*?  Say it ain't so, Diesel Bob! 

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 21:25:07 -0500
Subject: U-joint substitute part number

Hi all,

In the interest of completing my project more quickly, is there an
alternative to the official rover part for the U joint in the middle of the
front half axle of a Series IIa?  I am hoping that something off the shelf
may work (say from a NAPA parts or some such place?)

Thanks,

Nate

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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 19:01:05 -0800
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Santanas

At  8:59 PM 12/27/96 -0500, Russell U Wilson wrote:

>HOw much $$$  ??  what the hell...why not if it looks good, runs good  and
>you like it.  The last part being the most important, why not.

Can you get parts for it?

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 21:06:18 -0800 (PST)
From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Stainless Steel grilles for a D90

On Fri, 27 Dec 1996, Jon Callas wrote:
> A fellow I know is (like me) getting a '97 D90 SW.
> He wants a stainless steel grille, not the stupid plastic one.   
> Anyone know if there is a  a stainless steel grille for a new Defender?

Dear Jon:
I haven't heard of one - BUT if you guys come up with one for sale, I'll
buy one! I probably won't use if for cooking, but one less piece of
plastic is all to the good.
Best wishes,
David Rosenbaum
'94 D 90

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From: MOKE67@aol.com
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 01:00:26 -0500
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

John, what freq are you using on 20 meters? Maybe a schedule sometime?
Rich Range (as in range rover) WB9SFG
Moke67@AOL.com

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