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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 96 12:17:28 UT
From: "David Lee" <DJFLee@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Anti-Theft Precautions

Some time ago there were some tongue-in-cheek suggestions for 4 unlocked FWHs 
as an anti-theft precaution. Inadvertantly I have just discovered a simple 
means of foiling the majority of thieves seeking to drive off in a series 
diesel.
The return spring on the fuel shut-off valve to the fuel distributor pump 
broke. Being familiar with my vehicle, the feel of the pull-out on the 
steering column immediately gave the game away, but my wife who tried to start 
the vehicle first, was completely unable to do so.
Until I replace the spring, it is a simple matter to insert the key, push in 
the slide, open the bonnet (hood) and open the valve manually. The gloves I 
keep in the front even stop my hands getting oily.
Whist removing the spring won't stop the expert thief; even in the UK where 
Land Rovers are common, the average "joy rider" is probably not familiar 
enough with Landies to figure it out. In the US this might work even better.
Those of you with petrol motors will just have to keep taking out the rotor 
arm.
Finally, as I don't post that often, this is probably my only opportunity to 
wish everyone who celebrates such things a happy Christmas and to wish 
everyone a good years Rovering.

Dave Lee
1976 109 SIII Safari
1955 TR2
Kinloss
Scotland

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@crd.lotus.com
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 07:31:45 -0400
Subject: Re: Anti-Theft Precautions

Nice call on the Diesel return spring - I like it!

On Series Petrol engines, a switch in the coil lead from the distributor
works just as well...and if one owns a Smiths inductive tachometer, it can
be put right in line with it.

                         ajr

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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: Re: Anti-Theft Precautions
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 96 12:55:00 PST

Your average joyrider jumping into a series Landie will be so bamboozled by 
the three gear levers they'll be stuffed anyway, add to that the pushbutton 
starter and the fuel cut off lever and the you'll be able to catch the 
average joyrider the following morning still trying to work out how to make 
it go :-)

Merry Christmas and an even Merrier New Year to all on the list; and if 
you're in Glencoe over New Year I'll see you in the Clachaig!

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT

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From: Land_Rovers@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 08:49:09 -0500
Subject: Re: Calling all NAS Def's!

sinasohn@crl.com,Internet writes:
>I would like to build a registry web page for North American Spec
>Defenders. 

I hate to tell you, but this would be a heavy duplication of effort.  I
have already created exactly such a page at
http://www.learnlink.emory.edu/solaros with online adding of data.  If
you're interested in helping out with what we've got already, I can
always use someone to add more data.

-- 
Sean P. Murphy    - Project Director - (404)/727-2398 Voice
Emory University  - ITD/LearnLink    - (404)/727-2282 FAX

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From: "Gene Sparks" <galleryg@techline.com>
Subject: Goin' to Baja
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 05:46:24 -0800

If anyone is interested in joining me, I'm goin' to Baja next month for a
photo safari. It will be an eight day-900 mile journey on the peninsula
starting from San Diego on 1-19-97 early AM. I'll be driving down from
Washington on the 17th. The trip is planned to go down the sea of Cortez
side as far as Bahia de Los Angeles then go west to the Pacific to continue
north to San Diego. I plan on spending 6 days camping and 2 days in hotels
(Probably in San Felipe-East coast and San Quentin-West coast). The journey
as planned will be approximately 1/3 off-road and 2/3 on road (if you can
call them roads). I plan on getting lost a couple of times in hopes of
finding Eden but will not have a problem getting back to the world as I
have on board GPS. This trip is for sure  with set departure dates. I'll go
alone but it would be nice to have along a fellow Rover owner. If it sound
interesting to you E-mail me for more details.

Gene Sparks
USS Disco
Rhino Gear
http://www.techline.com/~galleryg/rhino.htm

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 09:03:00 -0500
From: Kevin Girling <lroshop@idirect.com>
Subject: Holiday Greetings

We wish every Digest member a happy and safe holiday season on or off road
and thank everyone for their custom and support in our first year of operations.

Have a great new year everyone.

With best wishes from LRO SHOP (North America & UK)

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From: "Brian J Hanson"<Brian_J_Hanson/OIIS/EKC@knotes.kodak.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 09:16:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Exhaust shielding (was Re: Gearbox pic)
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The idea of using these exhaust wraps has been thoroughly discussed on a
few other lists I'm on and the general consensus is to not use them.
Moisture well work it's way underneath the wraps and rust out your piping
very fast.  The other problem that some people found is that wraps keep the
heat in and found that it both lowered their performance and damaged the
exhaust system since it was now running at a much higher temperature than
it was designed for.
Hope this info helps a little.

Brian
'95 Disco

                                                                  
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cc:    (bcc: Brian J Hanson/OIIS/EKC)
Subject:  Exhaust shielding (was Re: Gearbox pic)

As part of a thread I missed the beginning of Jim comments:
>  I have also been looking at the exhaust wrap to help keep the heat away
>  from the interior of the vehicle. Anyone tried that or a similar
product? You might try a simple metal heat shield, a simple piece of steel
(galvanized to prevent rust) between the exhaust and floor. Either clamp it
to the pipe, or mount on simple standoffs from the body. LR did this on SI,
SII, SIIA/III 6 cylinders, and some of the pieces are still available. Its
also standard practice by most auto manufactuers these days, particularly
around catalytic converters. Wrapping the exhaust is just going to transfer
the heat downstream, and probably not help exhaust system life.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 96 10:57:46 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: I'm sure you all missed me!

Regarding various recent threads in which I have not been
          able to participate due to a completely befuddled
          staff of 'puter techs...

          I was in Jeff Bergs 88" with Bill C. at the wheel
          when the front wheels left the ground. Before
          entering the off-road course I couldn't get the
          seat belt on due to the side angle we were on...I
          guess it was good foresight to make Bill drive up
          to a flat spot so's i could buckle up...Jeff, if
          you are going to rebush, i would get polybushes...

          As for Eric's driving, i guess Sandy'll have
          to make the course a little more "damaging"
          next year...Maybe the folks at EC rover could
          bring us some of those Maine boulders??

         Sandy Grice, are you still looking for pictures?

          Anti-theft...park next to a Lexus...

          DC/NoVA area LRO's or anybody that feels
          like traveling...Spenny and i want you to join
          us for some NYE celebrations...please contact
          Spenny@aol.com or dbobeck@ushmm.org...

         Anyone that has tried to email me this week ought
          to resend, as it seems all was lost...

          Deep thoughts: Blah blah blah, I think that the
          coilers are nice people, blah blah blah, not
          everynbody wanted the list to split, blah blah
          blah, where do you go if you've got a Series
          Coiler???
          Just don't bug us with your air conditioning
          problems! :-)

          Later
          Dave b.
          I know I'm forgetting something, oh well...

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From: "Maslar, Mark F." <mfmaslar@software.rockwell.com>
Subject: unsubscribe -- happy holidays!
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 11:12:16 -0500

unsubscribe mark.maslar@software.rockwell.com

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From: "Huub Pennings" <pennings@kfih.azr.nl>
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 17:32:02 +0100
Subject:       Tig welding and two week holiday

I'm of the net for two weeks, going on a Holiday to Poland. (Not 
taking my SIII.)
I thank everyone for the advise on the Tig welding equipment. I 
just bought it, together with a protection visar, tungsten welding 
tips(50!!) and other goodies for 30 Us$. 
But I still have to learn how to use it!!!!

I wish every Digest member a merry christmas and happy new 
year.

I'll be back in Januari.

Greetings

Huub Pennings

Owner of a Street Legal smoking SIII 

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 11:41:04 -0500
From: "Stacy D. Eike" <104775.3222@compuserve.com>
Subject: Had It With The Zenith!

Chris:
        I'm catching up so this may not be timely.  Also. it's my first
post so I may inadvetantly
make some mistakes.
        I'm stationed in the United Kingdom and own a 1960 IIa, formerly of
British Telecom.
I recently replaced my Solex carb with a Weber.  Everything went smooth
until it came time
to hook up the throttle linkage, which was reversed.  It turns out that the
Weber carb you
reference was intended to replace your Zenith- literally drop right in. 
The Solex had a
reverse working butterfly and required some shade tree mechanic-ing to hook
up. (The
company is so used to Yorkshiremen using the same carb and making their own
adaptations that they no longer stock two replacement carbs.)
        All in all installation was straight forward.  Adjustment was the
same as on the
Solex, and I;m told it will be the same for the Zenith. My performance has
increased-
smoother operation, easier starts, better idle- but my gas mileage has not
improved,
which surprised me.  I'm looking at an intense 'tune-up to see what the
problem
might be.
        Overall, if it's time to replace the Zenith, I'd say go with the
Weber.

                Cheers from sunny Yorkshire,
                Bruce Eike

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 08:47:07 -0800
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Oops!  *NOT* Calling all NAS Def's!

At 08:49 AM 12/20/96 -0500, you wrote:
>>I would like to build a registry web page for North American Spec
>>Defenders. 

Sean Murphy wrote...
>I hate to tell you, but this would be a heavy duplication of effort.  I
>have already created exactly such a page at

And Dixon added...

>	This would be the third on the web that I can think of... :-)
>	One on the Rover Web, another in Georgia (SOLAROS club?).

So, okay, I'm not terribly original, nor quick.  But, hey, my heart's in the
right place!  (Yep, right there on the shelf where it belongs, next to my
brain.)  So I guess I'm not going to build a registry.

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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From: Land_Rovers@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 12:12:44 -0500
Subject: Re: Oops!  *NOT* Calling all NAS Def's!

sinasohn@crl.com,Internet writes:
>So, okay, I'm not terribly original, nor quick.  But, hey, my heart's
>in the
>right place!  (Yep, right there on the shelf where it belongs, next to
>my
>brain.)  So I guess I'm not going to build a registry.

If you're interested in helping out, I'd be more than happy for the
help.  I'm considering adding a Java applet to save the data and sort
it properly, since it's getting rather bulky.  However, I really need
people in other areas to gather info from vehicles they see and enter
them.  This is especially true for meets, clubs, and gatherings.

-- 
Sean P. Murphy    - Project Director - (404)/727-2398 Voice
Emory University  - ITD/LearnLink    - (404)/727-2282 FAX

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@crd.lotus.com
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 12:18:35 -0400
Subject: Re: I'm sure you all missed me!

OOPS, I blew it - sorry about the wasted bandwidth..... -ajr

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@crd.lotus.com
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 12:18:00 -0400
Subject: Re: I'm sure you all missed me!

gOT YOUR CALL - GREAT! i'LL BE HOME mONDAY AND tUESDAY, BARRING ERRANDS AND
THE LIKE. i'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING YOU.

                    AJR

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 12:54:04 -0500
From: Rob MacCormick <Rob_MacCormick@Harvard.Edu>
Subject: Blah blah blah

Shallow thoughts:
I agree with the Taylor industries suggestion....I also think the Cousteau
Society poured some funding into the development effort but bailed mid
stream and sailed over to re-breather research....After accumulating an
ocean of knowledge that project sank to new levels....Perhaps the Paris
Cousteau museum archives could help with regard to the occupant snorkel project?

Tire wear: 
perhaps the pilot of the 88 has been beating up the curb (result of
freewheeling hub kit on 4 wheels?) 

Mike, et al. I'm still looking for a coil sprung series IIa
dormobile......TOY.....Preferably with a Chevy conversion.....Let me know if
you come accross any......perhaps a Corgi/Tyco/Fisher-price/ECR Hybrid???? 

Happy holidays and all that Jazz! Rob M Concord, MA USA

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 96 12:53:05 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: New Years Off-Road----Washington DC.

Tell me more . Yes,  have you had any other replies so far , as I am dying to
take it off road for the first time.        

                                                               Happy Trails,

sorry. not getting your address or name...

          Dave

                                                                         Rick
V.

`96 Disco 

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 13:48:34 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Split the list!

There, now that i have your attention...
Just a note to all on the list to have an enjoyable holiday. To those of 
you out there who will be working next week, Don't feel blue, I'll be at 
work as well and misery loves company!

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 96 14:42:40 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: What do you call...

So, we've already been through the thread of what do you
          call a group of Land Rovers. Now Im wondering what
          you would call a group of Land Rover Owners?

       Dave B.
Arlington VA
          Soon to have snow...

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 15:30:20 -0500
Subject: More Block Heater Info

Found some sources of additional info for the Co. that makes the engine block
heaters and thought I would pass it along in case anybody is interested

http:/media1.hypernet.com/philtem.html

Info by fax   612-941-3347

Zero Start Electronic BBS
612-9417893

Happy Holidays to All

Steve Bradke     
WA2GMC

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 96 15:22:46 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Old Series Vehicles Beware

I just read an article in the NY Times that Nissan Corp. is buying up
1970's 240 Z sport cars and restoring them to be sold through select
dealers
....snip....
.Can you imagine what would happen to the old
Series vehicles if Land-Rover decided to take this marketing tact.
          ...snip....

          There is somewhere already where they do
          that, SA perhaps? I remember seeing it in one of
          my LROI's or LRWhatevers...
          Mostly SIII's. They'd have a tough time doing it
          with the IIa's though, unless they stuck a bunch
          of SIII parts on. Besides, if they did, it would
          probably only work in NA, where we are forced into
          owning either a brand new one or a 25 year old
          Series. Bet it would be a limited edition
          too...wonder if they'd do it anyway, for fear of
          cutting into their own sales of the more pricey
          vehicles...
          What kind of warranty would they give??
          I can picture it now, typical warranty
          claim might go like this:

          " Hello, LRNA headquarters, this is Wanda."

          "Yes, hi, I'd like to register a complaint about
          my limited edition Heritage Model Defender (gack)
          Series III"

          "What's the problem?"

          "Well, it's loud, cold, and slow, and the
          transmission, engine, diffs, and axles are all
          leaking"

          "So what's the problem?"

          "Its ruining the terra cotta pavers on my
          new driveway"

          "Have you been to a dealer for your 500 mile
          service?"

          "Ummm, I think I missed it, the speedometer cable
          broke"

          "Does your dealer know about the problem?"

          "Yes, they've replaced all of the drivetrain six
          times"

          "And it's STILL leaking?"

          "The dealer says its okay, that it's just
          'wicking', but those terra cotta pavers are damned
          expensive, besides the neighbors are complaining
          that its an eyesore, and the maid won't come to
          work anymore because she says in her country the
          secret police drove one"

          "Well, sir, I'm sure there's something we can do,
          how about if we put you on the waiting list for
          our next limited edition model, the Series One
          Heritage Defender 80 inch Centre-Steer Model"

          "80 inch? Center Steer? What's that?"

          "Its the very first Land Rover ever made, only two
          of em. One's gone missing, the other one is being
          sold as a limited edition."

          "Just one?"

          "Well, there's about 7500 people on the waiting
          list so far, but I'm sure we can arrange to have
          you bumped up to, say, 1500 or so."

          "Will it pass California SMOG?"

          "Of course, sir. It's also equipeed with a drivers
          side (snick> center airbag"

          "Great what's the catch?"

          "No catch, just give us your Social Security
          Number so we can run a little credit (ahem) check
          and you'll be on your way!"

          "Great! Wait till they see ME at the local
          Safeway!*"

          oy vey...

          Dave B.
          Sorry about the bandlengthorwhathaveyou...
           I HATE DOS email!
          *Safeway-US Supermarket Chain

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 14:42:46 +0000
Subject: Re: What do you call...

> So, we've already been through the thread of what do you
>           call a group of Land Rovers. Now Im wondering what
>           you would call a group of Land Rover Owners?

Poor?
oily?
deaf?
stupid?

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 12:46:31 -0800
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: Old Series Vehicles Beware

Bobeck, David R. wrote:
snip
> .Can you imagine what would happen to the old
> Series vehicles if Land-Rover decided to take this marketing tact.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>           There is somewhere already where they do
>           that, SA perhaps? 

Actually it's Kenya.

Or were you referring to my drive way? :)

cheers,

Jeremy

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 16:02:49 -0500
Subject: East Coast Delivery Service Resend

Hello,

I don't know if you got the message I sent previously, have had reports back
of inability to deliver. The following are pertinent assumiong we are still
needed:

3) Telephone numbers: we will be off the net from Friday evening on. What are
your phone numbers? Our numbers are:
810-651-2744 Michigan, home
810-986-8372 Michigan, work
410-321-6284 Maryland, house we will be at from Saturday 12/20 till Monday
12/30
410-692-5851 Maryland, brother's house where messages can be left if problems
arise.

3) David, can you deliver the parts to Maryland? I don't know what our
schedule will be, and it may be doubtful that we could make a run to northern
Virginia.
 
Our location in Maryland is a mile or so north of the Baltimore Beltway. Exit
26 North, York Rd. MD 45. Go north through several traffic lights, past
intersection with Amoco, Exxon and Texaco Gas stations (Seminary Ave.) Turn
right on Croftley Road, second street after Texaco station. Second house on
left, grey shingle & brick ranch. Address is 8 Croftley Road.

It shouldn't be a problem carrying the parts; it looks like we'll be driving
a large van.

We will be off line from Friday afternoon until returning to Michigan on 1/5.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 16:04:11 -0500
Subject: Apology, disregard previous message!

Previous message was sent to LRO by mistake. Sorry.

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From: Darrell.Fremont@uni.edu
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 15:38:46 -0600 (cst)
Subject: unsubscribe

     have a merry christmas and a rovin' new year

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 22:53:40 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: 109 tyre pressure

I have just converted my 109" SIII to a hard top - found an original
SIII hard top with windows, old stock, never been used, got it for a
song!

Question is, what is the recommended tyre pressures for this, using
BFGoodrich LT 7.50r16lt tyres? Manual recommends (for other tyres,
Michelin radials I think, 26 psi front and 40 psi back loaded, 28 psi
back unloaded.

What is a good pressure for winter driving, some snow, some off road,
mostly well salted urban roads?

Happy Christmas!
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 16:56:52 -0500
From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com>
Subject: Re: More Block Heater Info

At 03:30 PM 12/20/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Found some sources of additional info for the Co. that makes the engine block
>heaters and thought I would pass it along in case anybody is interested
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 21 lines)]
>Steve Bradke     
>WA2GMC
Steve,  I had to use URL
http://media4.hypernet.com/~PHILTEM/english.html
to get to there page.
Mike Johnson  N7WBO

74 SIII 88 (Chester)  176k daily driver
73 SIII 88 (Jezebel)  everyone's gettin a piece

http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 16:13:14 -0600
From: Paul Hanson <"HANSONPA@"@mail.milwaukee.k12.wi.us>
Subject: NEED VISOR to see and go

Greetings and peace to all LR folks out there in CYBERSPACE!
	I'm in the market for a visor for my LR88.  If anyone has 
information on where to get one...even a good used one...please let me 
know. Thank you in advance!
	Paul Hanson

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Re: Deep thoughts...
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 96 10:16:00 EST

>On the deep thoughts subject...is it my imagination, or have a lot of
>coil sprung folks wound up on this list...after the "Great Divide" . I
>see several questions and signatures with RR, D90, and Disco in them.
>Interesting.

Sob!  I'm sorry.  I didn't mean to offend, it's just that I got a Rangie by 
default. I went to buy a diesel SIII SW a few months back and found I had 
been beaten to it (I had test driven it the previous day but didn't put a 
holding deposit down).

So, somehow we ended up with a RR (now two RRs)

I reality, I really want to be a Series owner and I have been snooping 
around the LRO digest.

Please forgive me, I'll try not to post to LRO again   8->

Ron @ Emu Plains, Australia
'83 RR 3.5L manual
'87 RR 4.8L auto
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660   -  for pictures see
http://oasis.bellevue.k12.wa.us/craig/hillman/hunter.html
'67 Hillman Gazelle

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 19:59:08 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Gates

Eric wrote:

>BTW, Sandy, next year could you try to get break-away gates? ...the bamboo
>is scratching my paint. :)

Next thing you'll be wanting is break-away *trees*.  ;-)  Nope, next year 
it'll be steel re-rod.  We got a buncha that.

For those who haven't seen it..."sphincter hill" (aptly named) is especially 
scary for the "navigator" unless you're driving a RHD.  It's an off camber, 
severe downhill turn that has the passenger looking straight into a 
tree-lined ravine.  For the driver, it's no big deal.

Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 17:20:33 -0800
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Delco alternator wiring

While I have everything appart, I'm replacing my 109's old Ford alternator
with a Delco unit.

There is a little plug with a small red and smaller white wire comming off.
Where do these go to?

My guess is the red to the battery and the white to the generator lamp.
Can anyone confirm this?

If I route the big heavy output wire directly to the battery, is there any
reason why I just couldn't run the little red wire to the big wire
connection on the back of the alternator?

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 17:20:53 -0800
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Rerouting kodiak intake

Has anyone tried rerouting the intake of a Kodiak heater so it reheats
"heated cabin air rather than outside temperature air??

I currently have the front wings off my car, and the modification looks
very easy to do.  I would need to shorten the intake duct, and cut a hole
in the  upper diagonal part of the right side foot space.  This would
pickup air from the upper footwell.

It seems to me that if I could reheat the heated air, it might actually get
warmish in the 109.  Anyone tried this yet?  Any fume problems (It should
seal well)?

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 18:04:06 -0800
From: Michael Slade <slade@imagina.com>
Subject: Re: NEED VISOR to see and go

>Greetings and peace to all LR folks out there in CYBERSPACE!
>	I'm in the market for a visor for my LR88.  If anyone has
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>know. Thank you in advance!
>	Paul Hanson

Paul,

Good to see you!  I think that Sandy Grice was the one who had the custom
visors made.  I got one, put it on my rover, and it is the talk of the town!

If he ever decides to reproduce them again, I've got about 3 other
Oregonian Rover owners who would LOVE to get their hands on one.

Just a hint. ;)

Note:  New e-mail address:

slade@imagina.com

TTYL,

Michael
SIIg 109 Station Wagon

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From: wleacock@pipeline.com
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 02:15:43 GMT
Subject: Bleedin brakes

 Bill Adams writes
Is it true that in Land Rover folklore that one must elevate the front of 
a 109 when bleeding the brake system? I'm having difficulty getting all 
the air out of the lines and wonder if this is the magic bullet.

 No, the magic bullet is to turn it on its side, first one side, then the other.
 The problem is that the bleed screws on the front wheel slave cylinders are
on the horizontal centre line, therefore air can easily be trapped above the
bleed hole when attempting to bleed the brakes.
 I have written many times to the digest over the past couple of years on
how to bleed 109 brakes, I have just had trouble with my mail software and
lost all my mail so i can't go back and find it. 
 Please E mail me direct if you cannot find it.

 regards  Bill Leacock  Limey in exile

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From: QROVER80@aol.com
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 21:22:02 -0500
Subject:  Dormobiles

I saw this add on the web today and at the risk of starting a fuss :-)
 thought that there might be some folks who would find it interesting. Rgds
Quintin
-------------------------------------------------------
Land Rover camper van bits, Dormobile Pop-up roof with bunks, 4 folding 
seats, cooker, sink, removed from vehicle, fits any series 2 or 3 safari 
LWB, L400 the lot. Gary 0181-673 9764 SW.
-------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 21:26:17 -0500
From: karlsson@edgenet.net (karlsson)
Subject: Christmas Greeting

To get your Christmas greeting, go to:

	http://www3.edgenet.net/karlsson

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 22:44:01 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Re: D90 Alum-Top

hi all,
last week I changed my pickup cab on my 90 for a station wagon top. I ordered 
take-off parts from the UK, which worked out very reasonable. The main 
components are the roof (plus alpine windows), sides (plus aluminium-framed 
sliding windows) and rear door. However, I don't have a US-spec 90 so didn't 
have to bother with the roll cage. It is not hard to do but you need to check 
the parts manual to be aware of all the angle brackets, nuts & bolts, sealing 
strips etc. that are essential for a proper job. 

The first overwhelmimg impression is the amazing visibility out of the back and 
sides, compared with what I had through the soft top on the rear of the pickup.

Allan Smith
Caribbean Natural Resources Institute
Vieux Fort
St. Lucia, West Indies.
Tel +(758) 454 6060
Fax +(758) 454 5188
<----  End Forwarded Message  ---->

Allan Smith
Caribbean Natural Resources Institute
Vieux Fort
St. Lucia, West Indies.
Tel +(758) 454 6060
Fax +(758) 454 5188

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From: RykRover@aol.com
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 22:11:15 -0500
Subject: Re: Re[2]: New Years Off-Road----Washington DC.

   you can reach me at   RykRover@aol.com     or   you can reach me at (410)
515-7809
   hope to hear from you soon 
                                                       Happy Rovering,
                                                                         Rick

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From: Anglersnet@aol.com
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 22:11:11 -0500
Subject: Automatic Antenna for Discovery

I had the misfortune of crunching the right quarter panel of my 1995 US
Discovery last night.  Too bad 4WD doesn't make a difference in glare ice.
 While I have the panel off I thought I might replace the manual antenna with
an automatic one.  I broke the top off in the brush... too irresponsible to
get out in the mud to lower it until it was gone.  Has anyone made the shift
themselves or have suggestions?  As I understand I will need an power lead
from the radio and a continuous power lead from somewhere else.  
Thanks,  Bob Jameson

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 23:03:45 -0500
Subject: Re: what do you call...

 From Dave Bobeck: <<So, we've already been through the thread of what do you
call a group of Land Rovers. Now Im wondering what you would call a group of
Land Rover Owners?>>

Depends where they are/what they're doing...  

How about "Obliviuos"; just ask spenny when you see him. Or better yet, ask
him after New Year's celebration. This anecdote should be on someone's web
page by now.

Or perhaps "Rover-whipped"...

pat.
93  110  Yeah, I know it has coils but I'm trying to change that so y'all
will let me stay on the list. The things we do to stay on a list...

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 00:27:11 -0800
From: Steve Stoneham <stoneham@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re:What do you call...

>  From Dave Bobeck: <<So, we've already been through the thread of what do you
> call a group of Land Rovers. Now Im wondering what you would call a group of
> Land Rover Owners?>>

road-block.
oilery.
offouring...

Steve

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From: Land_Rovers@learnlink.emory.edu (Jack Walter)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 23:20:30 -0500
Subject: Re: NEED VISOR to see and go

Steve Johnson of Dixieland Rovers in Tifton, Ga fabricated a few of
these several years ago by copying an original equipment visor - he may
have a couple of them left or be persuaded to fabricate another batch.
hes at 912-386-8498

jack walter

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Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 12:15:05 +0700
From: Tony Yates <a.yates@bom.gov.au>
Subject: Back for another look

*On the deep thoughts subject...is it my imagination, or have a lot of 
*coil sprung folks wound up on this list...after the "Great Divide" . I 
*see several questions and signatures with RR, D90, and Disco in them. 
*Interesting. 

I quit the list a year ago after it became overloaded with irrelevant rubbish.
After having another peek I find that it is now back to being an interesting
and informative source of Rover chat.

Also had a look at the CRO list, as I own an old and well used 110, but find
this list more interesting. (I still miss the old IIA).  And I think that any
true Landrover mad person who owns a coiler for whatever reason secretly
hankers 
for a Series vehicle, or two, or three.......

Probably won't be contributing much as I am temporarily estranged from my Rover
(but not complaining).

*********************************************************************

Tony Yates
Senior Forecaster 
Davis Meteorological Office
Australian Antarctic Territory

a.yates@bom.gov.au

**********************************************************************

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 22:33:58 -0700
From: Rover2a <rover2a@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: Delco alternator wiring

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

> While I have everything appart, I'm replacing my 109's old Ford >alternator with a Delco unit.
>                   Where do these go to?
hope I can help
did the same to my 67IIA 3 months ago, can't remember what is were but
will look and get back to you in the morning
happy Ho HO Ho's to all and to all don't think small. 

Gar H
rover2a@xmission.com
67 IIA primer grey, with all the extras-- power windows ( me ), power
stering ( me ), power seats ( eat beans and more foam ), power heater  
( the fire in the back from cooking with the camp stove too close to the
fuel-- only happened 1 time I learn fast) no power up hills ( it's old )
but powerfull fun --- peace to all

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Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 17:04:33 +1100
From: amanda@zeta.org.au (Amanda Carkagis)
Subject: Engine Conversions.

William L Leacock recently asked about engine conversions to his S III 88.

Bill, make sure that you really want to spend the money on the vehicle
first. If the answer is yes, then make sure it is a darn good job cause it
can cause more problems than it is worth. 

I modified my S III 109 Wagon from its non-original S IIa 2.25 Rover diesel
to a 3.9 Isuzu 4 Cyl diesel and also changed the worn out S IIa gearbox for
a Ni**an 5 speed truck gearbox.The rest of the drive train is standard Land
Rover. The choice of engine was swayed by the fact that here in Oz, 109
Stage 1's and 110 County's came with a choice of 3.5 V8 or Isuzu 3.9 Diesel,
and pre-loved engines are relatively easy to find. 

What I ended up with is an excellent machine for both daily commuting and
off-road work. The power and torque figures are about the same as a 300Tdi
however the torque starts from idle with no waiting for a turbo to wind up.
It was not cheap but the result was worth it. The old thing is comfortable
at 60 mph on the open road and returns about 25mpg empty on the highway, 22
mpg with a full load. Off road, the diesels engine braking is superb and
steep hills never require the wheel brakes!

Perhaps this doesn't answer your question, but some engine conversions can
turn out OK.

Regards, Phil Carkagis.

S III 109 Wagon
101 FC

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Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 17:04:48 +1100
From: amanda@zeta.org.au (Amanda Carkagis)
Subject: Re:Breather "Snorkels"

Pedro, you asked about axle breathers:

>   Some weeks ago, when I changed the front diff pinion seal, I 
>checked the breathers of the diffs, to find that they were both 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>   3. Where should they end ?
>   4. What should be in the end ?  Just the pipe turned down, some 
>kind of filter?

I have a Series III 109 that I modified a a year ago to cure the problem
that you speak about. The original breather housing was removed and replaced
with a banjo type fitting with a gas thread to screw into the axle casing. A
length of heavy rubber tubing like heater hose or fuel hose is clamped onto
the axle fitting and routed up into the engine bay to finish near the heater
box. Nylon lock-ties hold the tubing secure against the brake hose and other
parts of the body etc. A plastic fuel filter caps the end of the hose to
stop dust and dirt getting down to the turning bits.
I did this to both diffs, gearbox, transfer case and fuel tank so that there
is now no problem with over-pressure and (more)leaks when things heat up.It
also means that there is less likely-hood of getting water in the diffs
during river crossings if the vehicle is hot (it doesn't help the swivel pin
housings, however!)

I hope that this is some help, 
Regards, Phil Carkagis.
S III 109 5-door
101 FC.

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From: "Brian Cotton" <bcotton@lia.lia.net>
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 08:07:42 +0000
Subject: Ford V8 into series, SA tour 1998

Hi there folks,

A) Has anyone any info on putting a Ford Fairlane V8 into a series 
   LR ?
   I have a friend in Zimbabwe who has the motor and some spare time.

B) Please have a look at my home page regarding the 1998 Golden 
     jubilee tour of South Africa as planned by the LROC of SA

There is a prelimimary route that we will follow of about 7 500 km in 
about 8 weeks.
This will be open to ANYONE IN THE WORLD WHO IS A MEMBER OF A 4WD 
CLUB OF SOME SORT AND WHO OWNS A LR.

HTTP://WWW.DBN.LIA.NET/USERS/BCOTTON

Cheers
Brian Cotton
bcotton@lia.co.za 

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