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Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 15:47:26 +0200
From: jros@argus.co.za (Jonathan Rosenthal)
Subject: Re: Suffering the Clutch Blues

>out the clutch, I hear this rubbing, grating sound as it starts to
>engage, but as I start to pull away and the clutch is fully engaged, the
>sound disappears.

I am no expert on the clutch hydraulics - except for the fact that I keep
having to replace the rubbers. One small tip is to carefully check the
dimensions on the little arm between the pedal and the master cylinder. It
is a bit of a pig to get at in the box directly above the pedal. I've had a
similar problem of noises when shifting into first or second/reverse and it
feels as if the clutch is not depressing fulling during a change and thus
not completely disengaging.

Small note : when replacing rubbers in master or slave be sure to get the
cylinders ground smooth (is that the right way of saying it) because even
tiny score marks or imperfections can eat the new rubbers in almost no
time. I learnt this the hard way.

Good luck
Jon (SIII 1977 - "name of the beast"

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From: robot1@juno.com
Subject: modifications
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 09:46:49 EST

Before I start any more flame wars, I'd like to point out to anyone that
doesn't already understand that my posting Saturday was written with my
tongue thoroughly implanted in my cheek. Pardon, please, if anyone took
offense.

Mark

"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most"
"Though my hair is a close second"

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Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 11:16:09 -0800
From: Steve Stoneham <stoneham@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Land Rover site

If anyone knows the address of the Land Rover Enthusiast site(I believe
it's a UK based site)recently put online,please post it for me.
I came across it surfing a couple of weeks back,bookmarked it and
then had mishap with my bookmarks.

Thanks,
Steve

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Subject: Land Rover Magazine
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 96 09:25:38 -0600
From: "Keith W. Cooper" <kwcooper@aristotle.net>

Hello All-

My wife wants to give me a subscription to one of the Land Rove magazines 
for christmas (Land Rover World or Land Rover Owner International).  I 
have read LRW on a regular basis as a local book store carries it each 
month, but have only seen the web site for LRO Inter.  Their pricing 
seems to similiar (expensive!), because of the cost of importation from 
UK.

I was wondering which one most of you prefer (if you've had exposure to 
both).  I'm looking for information on my Disco, as well as usefule info 
on older rovers (which I guess is what both of them offer).  Is one more 
reliable in its delivery than the other, more pertinent ads, etc.?

Thanks for the info!

Keith W. Cooper

-'96 Disco SE
-Currently in search of my Series IIA or III

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Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 07:56:47 -0800
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Land Rover Magazine

At  9:25 AM 12/15/96 -0600, Keith W. Cooper wrote:

>My wife wants to give me a subscription to one of the Land Rove magazines
>for christmas (Land Rover World or Land Rover Owner International).
<snip>
>I was wondering which one most of you prefer (if you've had exposure to
>both).
:
I have seen several issues of each and purchased some of them.  Personally,
I think about one issue in every three of four may have an interesting
artical.  I purchase them when I find myself in Heatherow.  Hunting them
down gives me something to do when waiting for a connection.

For a US based person like me, the advertisements are important.  It lets
me know who is selling what at what prices and how to contact them.  There
are a number of Land Rover gagets that never make it over to the US.

My take is:

LRO has better and more advertisements than LRW, being the bigger more
established magizine.

While both magazines are obviously aimed solely at the male reader I prefer
the LRO attitude more.  It feels a little more "grown up" than LRW

LRO seems to understand Land Rovers an be a little more accurate then LRW.

This mail list and people's web sites are a much better source of
information than ether magazine.

My advice would be to forget the magazines. Have her spend the money
purchasing a campsite at the Billing aquadrome next July and see what its
like to camp in a park with about 3000 Land Rovers in it.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 11:13:44 -0800
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Snow Plow prices

Has anyone had experience with the snow plow being sold by Wal-Mart.  I 
noticed an ad today in our local paper for a plow at about the $1200 
range Canadian dollars.  This would be a good price if it was sturdy.  I 
think a plow with hydraulics like a Myers in Canada could run you 
something in excess of $3000.  Dave VE4PN

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 12:08:42 -0500
Subject: V-8 Carb to Fuelie Correction

I reviewed my last post on the subject, and I must point out an obvious
error: there is not, in fact, a large PIE under my truck , and even if there
was connecting an O2 sensor to it would probably be counter productive, a
waste of comestibles, and might even damage the sensor. Further more some
pies, such as those with a whipped topping, might have so much entrained air
that the sensor would cause the engine to run too rich. On the other hand
some meat pies are so anaerobic that the sensor would lean the mixture to
dangerous levels. :>) 
The installation of the sensor actually involves making a neat hole with a
7/8 inch hole saw in the large diameter exhaust pipe on the inboard side
about 4 to 6 inches ahead of the rear muffler. A threaded ring supplied with
the kit is inserted in to this hole and welded (completely, and dont forget
to lightly grind any surface rust away to facilitate a good weld). The O2
sensor looks like a big spark plug and is screwed into the new fitting. Use
antiseize. The Holley O2 kit is made specifically for the Projection kit, but
there are a number of other aftermarket kits which would be very useful for
any carb application for tuning efficiency. Cheers. Andy Blackley

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 12:25:39 -0500
Subject: 1 brrl. Projection for Series?

During my research on the Projection for my V-8 I found that there are 1
barrel Projection kits available for GM four cyl. and J**p 6 cyl.(79 to 82,
pre -computer?) applications. I am not familiar with these specific kits, but
it seems feasible that one could be adapted to the stock or the aftermarket 2
bll. manifolds for the Series engines. Why do it? Well most Series owners in
the US have vehicles so old that they may be exepmt from emissions regs for
the time being. But I predict that the day cometh when Big Bro proclaims that
"none shall Pass" unless they run clean.
The other reason is that it would increase power without some of the
driveability problems that sometimes come from the 2 barrel carbs (esp. in
cold climates), plus without a float bowl the fuel injection is flood proof,
which makes it better for off road. Just a thought, but the possibilty does
exist to keep the older vehicles "green" at a moderate cost for the
foreseeable future. The use of the kit should also be coupled with an unlead
head upgrade. The use of the above with an O2 sensor and a small after market
cat. convertor would aloow just about any Series engine to pass emissions
control anywhere. Total cost for al the above could be kept under $1,000 I'd
bet. Cheers. Andy Blackley. PS In case anyone wonders I have absolutely no
connection to Holley other than sharing the same last syllable in our names.

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Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 19:27:12 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Studs vs. bolts

Dear all, as to why L-R has used studs instead of bolts for the exhaust 
manifold:

I think there are three main reasons. If you have to offer up a gasket and 
something comparatively unwieldy, you are always grateful for studs already 
sitting there so you can just add the nuts and don't have to try and hold a 
gasket and the manifold while trying to get a bolt to fasten. Also, the 
manifold curves in places and you may even be unable to get a bolt in there, 
but it clears a nut on a stud that is already in place. Also, since this 
corrodes, you have two chances of unscrewing something - the stud or the nut 
- and not just one - the bolt.

Hope everybody had a nice weekend
Peter Hirsch
Vienna, Austria
Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

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Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 11:33:25 -0700
From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: Land Rover Magazine

At 09:25 AM 15/12/96 -0600, Keith W. Cooper, wrote

>I was wondering which one most of you prefer (if you've had exposure to 
>both).  I'm looking for information on my Disco, as well as usefule info 
>on older rovers (which I guess is what both of them offer).

It's a choice without a clear winner in my opinion.  LRO is useful for the
extent of its ads and some of its articles on Series vehicles.  LRW has the
better layout and tends to run more interesting LR travel features and
generally tries to have a more global perspective.

But quite frankly, both are appallingly edited.  There's a sophomoric feel
to much of the writing including gratuitous in-jokes involving the magazine
staff.  One sign of trouble in any publication is the intrusion of too many
comments within ellipsis that refer to the "Ed" as though he or she was some
dark and slightly stupid force that spends the day trying to foul up
intrepid writers.  I've found in my experience as an editor that such
comments are really devices to paper over loose and out of focus writing.

Both have an odd propensity for running stories about exactly the same
subject in the same month.  The bylines are different but it smacks of
collusion somewhere.

Sometimes I just get the impression from both that I'm really reading some
obscure magazine about pigeon racing or trainspotting.

That said I probably buy at least one of every LRO at the magazine store and
perhaps one of LRW every second month. 

These are just my personal opinions and given the size of the readerships
for both magazines not too many would agree with me.

			Rick Grant

			1959, SII   "VORIZO"  

rgrant@cadvision.com	
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada

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Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 12:07:41 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: 1 brrl. Projection for Series?

Andy,

      RE a Projection type EFI for Series rigs, it's a good idea that was
tried by a fellow named Bill Winters some years back. He was either in
Missouri or Illinois. He adapted the throttle body injection from a GM 2.5L
four. Except for adapting the thrttle body to the manifold if was a very
easy insto and required zero recalibrating (according to the two letters I
got)
       A quick search did not yield the letters (I have 12 drawers full of
filed material) and bu that doesn't mean I didn't file it.
        From memory, he estimated a modest increase in power, perhaps 15%
maximum, but driveability and economy were light-years beyond the stock
2.25.Again from memory, he reported 16-18mpg in an "urban: cycle and a much
smoother running machine.
        Apparently, the base of the TBI unit is an extremely oddball design
and the biggest expense was having an adaptor machined form a blcok of
aluminum. The sensors were plumbed in and the wiring harness (from a
Cavalier, I think) was piggybacked onto/into the existing system. He
installed a Delco alternator, a real fuse box and some other items at the
same time.
        Does anyone know a Bill Winters from MO or IL? He had a 2A
(mid-60s???) Don't think he was computerized at all, except for the Land
Rover.

Jim Allen

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From: Harincar@mooregs.com (Tim Harincar-MS)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 16:32:03 -0600
Subject: UMLRG is ON THE AIR

Hi everyone,

I'm very pleased to announce that the Upper Mississippi Land Rover Group   
has survived two gatherings of members, including some light off-road   
driving (at night in the snow), and has officially opened its Web page.

The group is based in Minneapolis and is designed to include members from   
Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, and Canada, as well as anyone else that would   
like to play with us.

While a little lean right now, the Web page contains some photos of   
member's Rovers and the beginning of my Frame Replacement Adventure (as   
you all remember from last winter) - including action photos!

Coming soon will be an account and some photos of our first off-road trip   
together.

Please stop in and check it out. If you have another web page that links   
to local organizations, please feel free to add our url (and I hope you   
do!).

http://www.tc.umn.edu/nlhome/g029/nelso276/umlrg/

If you're in the area, look for another gathering to happen in mid Jan.

See ya,

Tim
 ---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW  

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Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 18:12:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Land Rover Magazine

On Sun, 15 Dec 1996, Rick Grant wrote:

> It's a choice without a clear winner in my opinion.  LRO is useful for the
> extent of its ads and some of its articles on Series vehicles.  LRW has the
> better layout and tends to run more interesting LR travel features and
> generally tries to have a more global perspective.

	Tends to be hit and miss here.  Originall, LRW offered many more 
	articles on Series vehicles (writing style aside) than LRO did.
	LRO at the time (late '94, early '95) was definately more into the
	modern vehicles.  LRW has a much better clubs section, realising
	that there are LR clubs outside the UK.  Points to LRW if that
	interests you.  (Of course there is much more $$$ in the modern
	vehicles, though the Series owners tend to be more fanatical)

> But quite frankly, both are appallingly edited.  There's a sophomoric feel
> to much of the writing including gratuitous in-jokes involving the magazine
> staff.  One sign of trouble in any publication is the intrusion of too many

	LRO tends to get stuff dead wrong at times (so does LRW), but LRW
	does have a much higher level of schoolboy/inmature writing than 
	LRO does.  However, LRO is now run by businessmen and not enthusiasts
	as it used to be.  Both are improving.  EMap has to recover the 
	many millions of pounds they spent buyng LRO, I hear LRW is
	loosing money and supported by MiniWorld and other LinkHouse 
	publications.  Who knows...

> Both have an odd propensity for running stories about exactly the same
> subject in the same month.  The bylines are different but it smacks of
> collusion somewhere.

	EMap and Link House should be independent, but this observation
	is rather interesting.  I have noticed this too.  Hmmm...

> These are just my personal opinions and given the size of the readerships
> for both magazines not too many would agree with me.

	Sme hate the travel articles, some love them.  Some would have a much
	larger DIY section, others want to know what to buy the next time
	they are near a Banana Republic store.  Both have good and bad 
	aspects.  I pick up both actually...

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From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Insulation, Plus
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 23:18:01 +0000

Hi All,
Regarding insulation has any used the various kinds in the J.C. Whitney
catalogue? I have been considering ordering some for my 109 rebuild. It
looks like the stuff in the mag. adverts only on this side of the pond. You
know the "silence of the Landie" people.
About the BUSHWAKER tool there are pics in the Dec. issue of LROI I believe.
It looks like it would be good for a group purchase. It both removes and
installs the bushs instead of all that hammering, burning, sawing etc.        
I think that how one modifies ones' own Land-Rover is a personal choice.
There are as many uses for these treasures as there are ways to modify them
and we must remember that if Rover had put a more powerful engine in the
vehicle at first there wouldn't be so many modifications now. At least
thats' how I see it.

Keep On (Land-Rover) Truckin'
Jim Wolf 1966 sIIa 109 sw Vicky
Portsmouth, VA USA

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Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 18:37:19 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: AT in Land Rovers

On Sat, 14 Dec 1996, David Place wrote:

> Congratulations to the Yorkshire Rover Owners Club on a great newsletter. 
>  The pictures are great.  If Dixon looked as good as your editor perhaps 
> we could get more members in the OVLR Club :-o  Dave VE4PN

	<Confused looks>  Didn't it used to be a "he" writing that 
	newsletter? (Barker?) 

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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 01:04:21 -0500
From: Olafur =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C1g=FAst?= Axelsson <olafura@rhi.hi.is>
Subject: Fuel economy!!

Hi
I=B4m sending this a second time cause I=B4m not sure it got all the way=
 last time!!

Here is one query that I=B4m sure nearly everyone of you has had to deal=
 with:
- Fuel economy - I=B4m getting a little frustrated over my =B466 S2a=B4s=
 petrol
consumption - It is fitted with the original Solex carb. - Any of you guys
must have some magical solution to this ever annoying problem!! - No really
- If any of you have any suggestion - please let me know!! - The only thing
I=B4ve heard is to switch the Solex with a Zenith - but how efficient is
that?? - probably not enough!!

Thanx
        Olafur Agust  (olafura@hi.hi.is)

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 23:37:56 -0500
Subject: Re: Land Rover Magazine (another opinion)

Santa needs advicie:
> My wife wants to give me a subscription to one of the Land Rove magazines 
>  for christmas (Land Rover World or Land Rover Owner International).  I 
...
>  I was wondering which one most of you prefer (if you've had exposure to 
>  both).  I'm looking for information on my Disco, as well as usefule info 
>  on older rovers (which I guess is what both of them offer).  Is one more 
>  reliable in its delivery than the other, more pertinent ads, etc.?

I probably prefer LROi but don't find huge differences. The competition has
resulted in both imitating the other in some respects. LRW started a
technical section and LRO followed suit. LRO was started by enthusists in '87
or so, and then sold to EMP, a major publisher 2 years ago. LRW was started
by another major publisher, Link, based on the success of LROi, and for a
while seemed to be trying to buy success. LRW seems to aim for the "average
guy" who is enthusiastic about LRs. They started with very little coverage of
new LRs, but have been expanding in that direction. LROi has always covered
the upscale end of LRs, but recently has been getting back to, and in fact
increasing their series coverage. They also have James Taylor's articles if
you are interested in LR history, though I suspect he is getting to the end
of the story. I usually find considerably more depth in an issue of LROi.

I do find much of the staff writing in LRW to be rather juvenile and
tiresome. Also their barbs at LROi are just not necessary. The technical
articles in LRO seem to be a little more in depth and longer while LRW
frequently has how to keep you Landy going on the cheap. Again this is
contributor dependent. LRW has more on UK trials, etc. and more club
coverage, though most of it is just a summary of the latest newsletter.

Rather than complaining we should be thankful we have two publications to
read. A dedicated Jeep magazine started last year, but it is just going
semi-monthly from quarterly and is rather thin.

Regards,
David Cockey 

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From: QROVER80@aol.com
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 23:49:42 -0500
Subject: Re: Studs vs. bolts

Why does Land Rover use studs instead of bolts on it's exhaust manifolds?

It has to do with the comparably low tensile strength of cast iron. If you
use studs you are sure that the studs completely bottom in the holes,
insuring the maximum amount of thread to manifold area. If you use bolts they
might come up tight with 1/4 inch or less engaged in the manifold. And it
would be quite easy to rip out the threads. 

I have learned this little tidbit from experience.

Rgds Quintin

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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 10:59:24 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Poachers!

>BUT, we have our horses out at night frequently and when these yahoos get
>tanked up and go out shooting, a chestnut or bay horse looks an awful lot
>like a really big doe.

Sort of "Ok lady,so its your deer.Just let me get the saddle off'n it"

Mike Rooth

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