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1 | Jim Pappas [roverhed@m3. | 39 | 1997 NAS D90 |
2 | Michel Bertrand [mbertra | 20 | Good to be back... |
3 | rover1@sky.net (Steve Pa | 8 | testing 123 |
4 | rover1@sky.net (Steve Pa | 8 | testing 123 |
5 | rover1@sky.net (Steve Pa | 8 | testing 123 |
6 | Michel Bertrand [mbertra | 21 | Re: testing 123 |
7 | "Benjamin G. Newman,MD" | 15 | Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest |
8 | ecrover@midcoast.com (Ea | 19 | Land Rover Toys *is this working?* |
9 | Franz Parzefall [franz@m | 34 | Re: Air Filter |
10 | "P Burgers" [PBURGERS@CP | 24 | SIII Wheel Nut thread size |
11 | ecrover@midcoast.com (Ea | 43 | Land Rover Toys for sale |
12 | "P Burgers" [PBURGERS@CP | 24 | SIII Wheel Nut thread size |
13 | SPYDERS@aol.com | 14 | Re: Air Filter |
14 | Ernest Young [ernyoung@e | 6 | Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest |
15 | Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus [A | 5 | Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest |
16 | SPYDERS@aol.com | 21 | Why no "Wheels" in FL |
17 | Mick Forster [cmtmgf@mai | 6 | A test, please ignore. |
18 | Uncle Roger [sinasohn@cr | 16 | SFB** Coleman Fuel Bottle Recall |
19 | Kevin Girling [lroshop@i | 19 | Advertising on the digest - Toys for sale |
20 | paarch@ix.netcom.com (Pa | 29 | Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest |
21 | "Mr Ian Stuart" [Ian.Stu | 21 | SLROC events for 1997 |
22 | "Mr Ian Stuart" [Ian.Stu | 2 | [not specified] |
23 | DONOHUEPE@aol.com | 109 | Why Land-Rovers in the US? |
24 | ecrover@midcoast.com (Ea | 41 | Re: Advertising on the digest - Toys for sale |
25 | David Rosenbaum [rosenba | 23 | Re: Advertising on the digest - Toys for sale |
26 | David Rosenbaum [rosenba | 18 | [not specified] |
27 | "Oldhaven" [oldhaven@mai | 23 | Re: Advertising on the digest |
28 | "Oscar Beasley" [beasley | 13 | What's the news? |
29 | Mike Johnson [johnsonm@b | 18 | Re: Advertising on the digest - Toys for sale |
30 | jimallen@onlinecol.com ( | 26 | Re: Why Land-Rovers in the US? |
31 | Peter Reynolds [Peter_Re | 5 | does any one know of any good rover history resources on the net? |
32 | James Wolf [J.Wolf@world | 12 | What has happened to the Digest? |
33 | 12/4/95 [rsloan@titan.li | 84 | Then again... |
34 | bruce.curtis@Eng.Sun.COM | 17 | Re: What's the news? |
35 | waho@entergy.com | 14 | Re: 1997 NAS D90 |
36 | MHKINGER@aol.com | 8 | Re: What has happened to the Digest? |
37 | robot1@juno.com | 10 | Where the heck is the list? |
38 | jimallen@onlinecol.com ( | 54 | Re: Then again... |
39 | jimallen@onlinecol.com ( | 15 | Re: Advertising on the digest |
40 | "Hugh Grierson" [Hugh.Gr | 18 | Re: Why Land-Rovers in the US? |
41 | NADdMD@aol.com | 29 | Re: Advertising on the digest |
42 | car4doc [car4doc@concent | 11 | Re: SIII Wheel Nut thread size |
43 | NADdMD@aol.com | 33 | Poachers! |
44 | David Rosenbaum [rosenba | 36 | Re: Advertising on the digest |
45 | jouster@rocket.com (John | 16 | Re: Why Land-Rovers in the US? |
46 | Jeff Berry [jaberry@i202 | 14 | towing |
47 | Jim Pappas [roverhed@m3. | 29 | BSROA Holiday Party |
48 | "Gene Sparks" [galleryg@ | 62 | Announcing Rhino Gear (commercial content) |
49 | scooper@scooper.seanet.c | 7 | Advertising |
50 | "David M. Schwarz" [dsch | 27 | Re: Discovery check engine light coming on and staying on. |
51 | ed hall [goldnet@vegas.i | 22 | Re: Advertising on the digest |
52 | jimallen@onlinecol.com ( | 24 | Re: Air Filter |
53 | jimallen@onlinecol.com ( | 17 | Re: Air Filter |
54 | jimallen@onlinecol.com ( | 42 | Re: Advertising on the digest |
55 | Wdcockey@aol.com | 17 | Re: cancel all e-mail |
56 | MHKINGER@aol.com | 7 | subscribe |
57 | bb@olivetti.dk (Bent Boh | 68 | RE: Advertising on the digest |
58 | Mick Forster [cmtmgf@mai | 23 | Re: Advertising on the digest |
59 | "Franklin H. Yap" [FHYap | 14 | Re: Why Land-Rovers in the US? |
From: Jim Pappas <roverhed@m3.pcix.com> Subject: 1997 NAS D90 Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 21:08:14 -0500 Hi all- LRMW got its first D90 SW the other day. I got a look at it. Alpine = White. The internal hoop has the *perfected* rubber cladding around to = prevent noggin' knockin' and the console, massive as it is, is = reasonably attractive! It has TWO sets of drink holders!! I hope LR = doesn't try and compete with Chrysler minivans in the cupholder wars!!! The new A/C unit is a little smoother looking, but yes, the interior = evap/condenser unit still takes up its share of foot room in the = passenger well... Numeric sequence started all over again and a simple number only - no = *SW* or anything like that. This on I believe was #0121 or thereabouts. = So yes, at least production will hit four figures!! I starts instantly and one quickly realizes the the OBD2 engine = management is lurking in there somewhere. The seat belt lamp stays lit = until you buckle up!! Instruments look a little more refined and I seem = to thing that all gauge faces are glass - they may hold up a little = better in the scratch department than the older ones... The rest of it is pure `95 D90SW except no more cloth tweed on the seats = - same as ragtop.. The new owner was stalking behind me and we cobbled up HER accessory = list - inlcuding M10000 warn/ARB bumper setup! Hopefully, we'll see her = off road with the rest of the Club in the near future... I hope to at least have pix in the NOV/DEC Rover Reference... cheers Jim ------------------------------[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 12:49:48 -0500 From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@InterLinx.qc.ca> Subject: Good to be back... Oh well, looks like the major is up and running again. I was getting lonely, covered in 35 cm of snow. Great fun in a Rover! Does anybody know what happened? Bye for now, Michel Bertrand ______ Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, / __ / \ 1963 109 PU (Rudolph) | Lucas | 1968 109 SW (in the works) | Inside | 1973 88 SW (21st century project) \ / \______/ ------------------------------[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 08:44:19 -0300 From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian) Subject: testing 123 no new mail??? Hello? Steve Paustian ------------------------------[ <- Message 4 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 08:44:26 -0300 From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian) Subject: testing 123 no new mail??? Hello? Steve Paustian ------------------------------[ <- Message 5 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 08:44:22 -0300 From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian) Subject: testing 123 no new mail??? Hello? Steve Paustian ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 12:52:55 -0500 From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@InterLinx.qc.ca> Subject: Re: testing 123 Hello Hello Hello Yes, there is new mail... Michel Bertrand ______ Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, / __ / \ 1963 109 PU (Rudolph) | Lucas | 1968 109 SW (in the works) | Inside | 1973 88 SW (21st century project) \ / \______/ ------------------------------[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 09:04:34 -0500 From: "Benjamin G. Newman,MD" <medone@iag.net> Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest In the Dec issue of LRO it talks about the US Defenders. It says only 2500 will be made to be sold in the USA.If this is true would this be considered a limited edition and therefor be an investment? What happened to the 110 Defenders that only 500 were sold here. Did they appreciate alot? I would like to hear the wisdom from my fellow Rover owners. By the way, what is the thinking about these new Defenders with automatic gear boxes? Thanks Benjamin ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:00:00 -0400 From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.) Subject: Land Rover Toys *is this working?* >Dear all, > As those of you who have been to the shop and seen our wall of [ truncated by lro-digester (was 41 lines)] >Warren, Maine 04864 ecrover@midcoast.com > Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More > Series Coil Chassis Specialists From: Mike Smith East Coast Rover Co. 207.594.8086 21 Tolman Road *Rt. 90* 207.594.8120 fax Warren, Maine 04864 ecrover@midcoast.com Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More Series Coil Chassis Specialists ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de> Subject: Re: Air Filter Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 08:22:03 +0100 (MET) Jim, | ...All the the Camel guys that have | also driven a standard TDI have commented on the power drop. Perhaps your | snorkal is better designed! Dunno, it's just about 2m of 75mm diam flexible hose and pipe. But as I said, there was some sort of muffler at the air cleaner box, that I took off. | If the tubing and inlet is big enough, it helps to alieviate the restriction | problem. If I have some time I'll get my physics books out and try to calculate this. | It's also possible that you don't run | yours quite as hard. The loss of power is felt at the top of the rpm range | - and I mean the TOP! As you know, the Camel drivers wring every pony and | every rpm out of those poor TDIs. OK! That may be the major difference. I usually don't try to queeze the last pony out of my 2.5D. I want to drive it some km more than the lenght of a Camel Trophy. cu. Franz --------------------------------------------------------------- Franz Parzefall franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de _______ [____|\_\== [_-__|__|_-] Brumml, exmil. 1989 Land Rover 110 2.5D ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..- ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "P Burgers" <PBURGERS@CPLS.WCAPE.GOV.ZA> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 15:41:53 +0200 Subject: SIII Wheel Nut thread size I have just had a most confusing experience. I wanted to clean up the threads on the wheel nuts on my '76 SIII. Thinking that they would (naturally!) be BSF or similar (UNF; NF) I dug out what I thought was the right tap, a 9/16 BSF. To my consternation it was too small. No problem, a vernier confirmed that the nominal bolt dia. was 5/8 (0.6150 inches to be precise), and the screw pitch gauge showed a pitch of 19tpi, perhaps 16tpi. Armed with this I went off to the local engineering supply store, taking a nut with me just in case. The thread turns out to be 16.0 x 1.5 METRIC FINE!!!! Now I am beginning to doubt the engineering supply store!!! Has anybody out there had experience with this and if so what is the correct thread. Peter Burgers SIII Chev. 4.1L gas guzzling conversion ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 13:57:31 -0400 From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.) Subject: Land Rover Toys for sale Dear all, As those of you who have been to the shop and seen our wall of Rovers know, I'm a Land Rover Toy nut, and we usually have some Land Rover toys for sale here in the office. Well I just found a few rare old models that I thought I'd share with the digest first. Here goes... interested? email me direct to save space on the list. 2 mid 1960's vintage HUSKY models *fore runner to CORGI Jr. I think* made in Great Britian. Number 11, Forward Control Land Rover with removable Canopy That is the description written on the pacakge. My description is... SIIA 109 Forward Control, full canvas, in green with tan canvas Still sealed in the original package, never opened. MOC. Matchbox car size. Price $20. US, includes shipping in North America Also Number 21, Military Land Rover Again a SIIA 109 Forward Control, full canvas, but this time in dark green, with dark green canvas, and a military star on the roof. Still sealed in the original package, never opened. MOC. Matchbox car size. Price $20. US, includes shipping in NA. Thanks all, have great weekend! BTW... Did anyone else go to the opening of the Land Rover dealership in Scarborough ME this weekend. I was gone, but Alan and Ian got there late, and I guess missed the group. How'd it go? See ya! From: Mike Smith East Coast Rover Co. 207.594.8086 21 Tolman Road *Rt. 90* 207.594.8120 fax Warren, Maine 04864 ecrover@midcoast.com Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More Series Coil Chassis Specialists ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "P Burgers" <PBURGERS@CPLS.WCAPE.GOV.ZA> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:34:26 +0200 Subject: SIII Wheel Nut thread size I have just had a most confusing experience. I wanted to clean up the threads on the wheel nuts on my '76 SIII. Thinking that they would (naturally!) be BSF or similar (UNF; NF) I dug out what I thought was the right tap, a 9/16 BSF. To my consternation it was too small. No problem, a vernier confirmed that the nominal bolt dia. was 5/8 (0.6150 inches to be precise), and the screw pitch gauge showed a pitch of 19tpi, perhaps 16tpi. Armed with this I went off to the local engineering supply store, taking a nut with me just in case. The thread turns out to be 16.0 x 1.5 METRIC FINE!!!! Now I am beginning to doubt the engineering supply store!!! Has anybody out there had experience with this and if so what is the correct thread. Peter Burgers SIII Chev. 4.1L gas guzzling conversion ------------------------------[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: SPYDERS@aol.com Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 22:38:51 -0500 Subject: Re: Air Filter <<The loss of power is felt at the top of the rpm range - and I mean the TOP! As you know, the Camel drivers wring every pony and every rpm out of those poor TDIs.>> So much for tread lightly... maybe some finesse would save on the parts usage. pat ------------------------------[ <- Message 14 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 12:34:23 -0500 From: Ernest Young <ernyoung@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest unsubscribe lro-digest ------------------------------[ <- Message 15 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com> Date: 9 Dec 96 13:08:22 EST Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest ------------------------------[ <- Message 16 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: SPYDERS@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 01:20:19 -0500 Subject: Why no "Wheels" in FL I asked my friendly neighborhood LR Center why they hadn't put on any off-road Wheels events lately... I read somewhere that they had to put on 4 per year... so far, not one invitation for anything in my mailbox. The sales coordinator told me that the dealership owner/manager didn't want to put them on because: they have been getting a whole bunch of customers with problems with their Discos' CHECK ENGINE lights coming on (that wrong cyl head thing) AND the dealership didn't want a group of customers getting together with time on their hands to chat and talk about all the problems with their vehicles. Now *that's* a cure for the problem... don't solve the problem; eliminate the complainers. pat "I want to see a muddy 4.6 in Florida" parsons ------------------------------[ <- Message 17 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 13:01:35 +0000 From: Mick Forster <cmtmgf@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk> Subject: A test, please ignore. Test sent 13:02 9/12/96 ------------------------------[ <- Message 18 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:48:12 -0800 From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com> Subject: SFB** Coleman Fuel Bottle Recall Picked this up on a Sierra Club list... If you want the full notice, let me know and I'll forward it. >>CPSC, THE COLEMAN COMPANY ANNOUNCE PEAK 1 FUEL CONTAINER RECALL --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/ ------------------------------[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 14:04:07 -0500 From: Kevin Girling <lroshop@idirect.com> Subject: Advertising on the digest - Toys for sale Is there one rule for some and another rule for others? I thought, and have always adhered to, the concept of no commercial advertising on the digest. Granted we made some errors when we first joined but a number of digest guardians were quick to point out the error of our ways. How blatant can you get? Perhaps we should all start advertising! I have any number of products to offer and can chew up plenty of space with lots of wonderful offers. There are other companies out there on the digest. What would happen if they all started doing this? Unbelievable! ------------------------------[ <- Message 20 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:33:22 -0800 From: paarch@ix.netcom.com (Paul Archibald) Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest Benjamin, Don't ever buy a vehicle as an INVESTMENT! Buy it because you plan on using it. There are too many stories of people buying Italian sports cars for the investment value, five or ten years ago and ending up selling them for half price after putting in thousands for up-keep. Regasrding the Auto gear-box, I have an auto in the RR. It's a great truck, goes anywhere the Series II goes, and some. But I have to admit I realy prefer the stick when not in traffic. The Auto works great off road. Paul >In the Dec issue of LRO it talks about the US Defenders. It says only >2500 will be made to be sold in the USA.If this is true would this be [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)] >Thanks >Benjamin Paul Archibald paarch@ix.netcom.com (parch@smmff.com during the week at work) (510)353-1320 or wk. (408)487-1336 '58 88" RHD 2-litre, rear Koenig '87 Range-Rover-over 160,000 miles-"going strong" (Squeak) '92 fly-yellow Ducati 750SS yesss!!(perfect winter commuter) ;^) I love California ------------------------------[ <- Message 21 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Mr Ian Stuart" <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 11:55:28 +0000 Subject: SLROC events for 1997 I've put up on the web the proposed list of events for 1997. The url is: http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/SLROC/events97.html Hope to see a few more List members this year (Bill, are you going to be over for the Festival again this year? The Enduro is at the end of the 3rd week ;-) ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer) +44 131 650 6205 Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. Faculty web site : <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> Personal home pages: <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/> ------------------------------[ <- Message 22 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 15:21:29 -0500 Subject: Why Land-Rovers in the US? A few weeks ago a question was posed to this list: What 4x4 s were available in the US in the 1960s? While not a complete and exhaustive list, the following list comes to mind: A. DOMESTIC NEW MANUFACTURE 1. Jeep (Willys, Kaiser & American Motors) CJ5 CJ6 Station Wagon & Van Pickup Jeepster FC Series Wagoneer: 2 door, 4 door & Van Pickup: 1/2 & 3/4 Ton 2. Ford Bronco Pickup: 1/2, 3/4 & 1 Ton 3. GMC/Chevrolet Blazer Suburban: 1/2 & 3/4 Ton Pickup: 1/2, 3/4 & 1 Ton 4. Chrysler Carryall Pickup: 1/2, 3/4 & 1 Ton Power Wagon WM300 1 Ton 5. International Harvester Scout Travelall Pickup: 1/2 & 3/4 Ton B. IMPORTED NEW MANUFACTURE 1. Rover Land Rover 88 & 109 2. Toyota Land Cruiser FJ Pickups in 2 wheelbase lengths FJ Station Wagon 3. Nissan Patrol C. DOMESTIC MILITARY SURPLUS (WW-II & Later) 1. Willys (Kaiser & AMC) MB Jeep 1/4 Ton MJ5 Jeep 1/4 Ton MJ6 Jeep (101" wb) M715 1 1/4 Ton (Military only) 2. Ford MB Jeep 1/4 Ton 1 1/2 Ton Lightweight M151 1/4 Ton (Military only) 3. GMC/Chevrolet Truck, 1 1/2 Ton 4. Dodge Ambulance: 1/2 & 3/4 Ton Carryall: 1/2 & 3/4 Ton Command Car: 1/2 & 3/4 Ton Line Truck: 1/2 & 3/4 Ton Truck: 1/2 & 3/4 Ton D. IMPORTED MILITARY SURPLUS There were no successful commercial efforts made to import foreign built, military surplus, 4x4s during the 1960s. With the exception of museum pieces, examples were rare. Occasionally one would see a DKW, Unimog or an Austin Champ, These were usually out of service and awaiting parts. There were rumors of the Romanian ARO, but I never saw one. CONCLUSION: The US was a competitive market in the 1960s for 4x4 utility machines. Jeeps bought as military surplus were starting to wear out. There was a market for replacements. Buyers wanted more power, more comfort, weatherproofing, and other improvements. Jeep had the market essentially to its self. To compete with Jeep, IH introduced the Scout and Ford their Bronco. A foreign manufacturer entering the US 4x4 market needed a very competitive product, offering features the competition lacked. The Toyota Land Cruiser and the Nissan Patrol, both based on military designs, offered powerful engines, good quality and competitive prices. Land Rover offered the second oldest name, an aluminum body, a variety of styles and an image. Toyota persevered with several versions of their product and remains in the market today with the fourth generation of their station wagon. Although no longer in production, the short chassis model is still highly desirable on the used car market where many have been converted to use Ford or GM V8 engines. Nissan dropped their Patrol in the late 1960s. Land Rover abandoned the US market entirely in the early 1970s. The question remains: What was then the appeal of the Land Rover in the US? Paul Donohue 1965 Land Rover 109 ------------------------------[ <- Message 24 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 15:58:37 -0400 From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.) Subject: Re: Advertising on the digest - Toys for sale >Is there one rule for some and another rule for others? I thought, and have >always adhered to, the concept of no commercial advertising on the digest. [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] >guardians were quick to point out the error of our ways. >How blatant can you get? If you feel so strongly about it, I won't do it. I didn't really think that advertising 2 antique Land Rover Toys was a commercial venture. I never offer vehicles. I have often slung out some odd things we have had for sale. I had emails that said I was to *toss away* some of the odd and used things we had. Always looked at it as helping out. I never did things like offer specials of fuel pumps etc, just toys and used parts. >Perhaps we should all start advertising! I have any number of products to >offer and can chew up plenty of space with lots of wonderful offers. [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] >There are other companies out there on the digest. What would happen if >they all started doing this? I think you are reading a bit much into my signature. If I got another email address that didn't state I was Mike from ECR would that be OK? I still am an enthusiast who wanted to share the toy booty with the friends on the digest, but now I see how the list feels. I'll never do it again. >Unbelievable! >offer and can chew up plenty of space with lots of wonderful offers. A bit strong for 2 old Corgi toys don't you think??? but I'll go with what the list wants. From: Mike Smith East Coast Rover Co. 207.594.8086 21 Tolman Road *Rt. 90* 207.594.8120 fax Warren, Maine 04864 ecrover@midcoast.com Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More Series Coil Chassis Specialists ------------------------------[ <- Message 25 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 12:56:53 -0800 (PST) From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Advertising on the digest - Toys for sale On Mon, 9 Dec 1996, Kevin Girling wrote: > Is there one rule for some and another rule for others? I thought, and have > always adhered to, the concept of no commercial advertising on the digest. Dear Kevin: You'll probably get a range of replies, but I ENJOY notices of LR stuff for sale, especially from people who are known to the list. I don't care whether the person is selling as an 'individual' or as part of a business, but strongly favor: 1. Noting commercial or "for sale" content in the "Subject" header. 2. Announcements that are BRIEF, with request to e-mail seller directly for more info or details. We list members are the ultimate judges of what is acceptable or not: the above is my 2 cents' worth. David Rosenbaum '94 D90 ------------------------------[ <- Message 26 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
I've put up on the web the proposed list of events for 1997. The url is: http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/SLROC/events97.html Hope to see a few more List members this year (Bill, are you going to be over for the Festival again this year? The Enduro is at the end of the 3rd week ;-) ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer) +44 131 650 6205 Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. Faculty web site : <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> Personal home pages: <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/> ------------------------------[ <- Message 27 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Oldhaven" <oldhaven@mail.biddeford.com> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 17:31:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Advertising on the digest My 3 lines: People that are helpful and contribute good information, (and sometimes even give away stuff) are welcome to the odd brief FS notice here, if my opinion counts. Those who see us solely as a profit opportunity, and are never heard from except commercially can go elsewhere for their perfectly valid sales needs. We shouldn't alienate those in the first category,(good people all), by lumping them in with the very few who are in the second, (also usually good people), who misunderstand the purpose of this list and cause some offense. Ron Franklin thanking all of you who have been helpful to me. ( Any body have any 110 bulkhead trim FS?) Bowdoin, Maine, USA ------------------------------[ <- Message 28 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Oscar Beasley" <beasleyo@milo.cfw.com> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 10:51:20 +0000 Subject: What's the news? Haven't heard from you for DAYS! Presumably the server is experiencing technical difficulties. On the other hand, I may have been deleted again. Will wait and see. Cheers! ------------------------------[ <- Message 29 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 17:24:13 -0500 From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com> Subject: Re: Advertising on the digest - Toys for sale <SNIP> Mike, I'm on your side. How quickly some forget the free parts that you (ECR) offered earlier this year. As for some rare LR toys to make it into someones stocking this X-mas, GO RIGHT AHEAD!!! At least he's not selling a 109 frame :) Mike Johnson N7WBO 74 SIII 88 (Chester) 175k daily driver 73 SIII 88 (Jezebel) everyone's gettin a piece http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm ------------------------------[ <- Message 30 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 15:47:53 -0700 From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen) Subject: Re: Why Land-Rovers in the US? Paul, Your list of 4x4 vehicles available here in the USA was well done and almost complete. My compliments!!! The only reason I'm able to judge is that I'm producing a book on the subject due out next year. You really only missed some of the conversion companies (most on their last legs by that time) such as NAPCO (now defunct) and Marmon-Herrington (still around) and the founding father,FWD, which built a one-ton 4x4 in the 1960s (the LD). In any case, I think the reason Land Rover's sales were not tremendous was simply a case of "cranial rectitis" from the other side of the pond. They had a good product that need a few upgrades (such as a more powerful engine) to compete here. The Range Rover could have done well here and we all know (based on prototype 100/3 a LHD RR with emission controls) they had us in mind then. They even had a good marketing person here in the form of J. Bruce McWilliams. They just quit listening to him or had other fires to put out. Oh well! Their success here now is proof that the '60s and '70s were a lost opportunity for them. Better late than never, eh! Again, good work on the list! Jim Allen ------------------------------[ <- Message 31 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Peter Reynolds <Peter_Reynolds@mktplace.com> Date: 9 Dec 96 15:10:32 EDT Subject: does any one know of any good rover history resources on the net? ------------------------------[ <- Message 32 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net> Subject: What has happened to the Digest? Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 23:12:55 +0000 Is the Digest down? Have I been excommunicated? Have I been unscribed by some dasterdly Aro owner or dealer? No Digest since friday Dec. 6th. Keep On (Land-Rover) Truckin' Jim Wolf 1966 sIIa 109 sw Vicky Portsmouth, VA. USA ------------------------------[ <- Message 33 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 18:07:29 -0500 (EST) From: 12/4/95 <rsloan@titan.liunet.edu> Subject: Then again... This is more like .25=A2 than .02=A2 ie. it's loooooooong... At first glance it would seem true that coilers have surpassed earlier LR's in many aspects except for reliability on the trail and ease of servic= e. While this may be readily agreed upon at first, I think that context is somewhat important. There are many similar systems involved in the manufac= ture of the Defender, Disco, and RR's, however, I would term the latter two more= dependant on electronic gadgetry to function to their fullest capacity. And while some of these systems might fail, I am convinced that anyone who= seriously considers using one of these vehicles for off road use should bec= ome explicitly familiar with it's systems, just as serious series owners seek= familiarity with their vehicles. While they do perform admirably off road, Discos and RR's are not constructed with the intent of being explicitly a trail vehicle, they are comfort cruisers with off road capabilities. That makes a big difference, I think. A Defender is a somewhat different beast. It is billed as a reinterpretation of the series vehicles. Quality was a recurring concern= in the history of the marque, not just now. The Defender's systems are of course, technologically advanced, because the technology exists and is= cost effective for LR to use some of the same systems. I would like to note however, that it costs more to build a D90 than a RR HSE, simply because the production is manpower based as opposed to machinated assembly. At least, I've read that in a couple of places. So to compare apples to apples, I guess we have to look at Defenders and Series. Basically what I am saying is, when the first series Land Rover came out,= and the last Series vehicle rolled off the production line, there are probably some significant changes that a diehard SI user somewhere considered frivolous. I've never owned an old Land Rover, but I used to drive a '69 Ford Bronco (front end coil sprung, interestingly enough) and it was a headache. Sure it was easy enough to take care of, but it ALWAYS needed taking care of. There was a lot of stuff the PO rigged to make it work, plus there was just the fatigue surrounding a 25+= year old vehicle. Anyway, I guess it boils down to the technology at hand. Things progress, that may be fortunate in some instances or unfortunate in others, but it is a fact. While my Bronco had that mysterious charm of being old and somewhat unusual in the way some of its= components worked, my Defender will aquire that with use as I embue it with the qualities an owner imparts. So far I have been nothing short of= impressed with the vehicle off road and on. I've had my grumbles and complaints, but they have all been dealt with with great dispatch, and none of the problems rendered the vehicle inoperable. Maintenance is the= key. A well maintained vehicle is a well maintained vehicle. The argument towards component failure will never be successfully argued either way, simply because components can fail more often due to complexity (advanced technology) and they can just as often fail due to age and fatigue, and you more often than not won't know until it happens in either case. So being prepared is also a big factor, and to be prepared you have to know your vehicle. So is it really easier to service a series over a D90, or is it just different? Not having owned a= Series I don't know, but if I compare the differences between owning my Bronco and my Defender, I've spent far more sweat and blood in the mud driving that than the D90. Only time will tell how the new products hold= up, but so far I see no indication the marque has lost longevity. Whew! Now, I'd be interested in seeing warranty service repairs and such across= the marque's history, that would probably help determine the lapses of reliability in the family. that was a mouthful! Rich D90 P.s Is the list up, cuz I haven't gotten one byte :| ------------------------------[ <- Message 34 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 15:21:58 -0800 From: bruce.curtis@Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Curtis) Subject: Re: What's the news? > Haven't heard from you for DAYS! Presumably the server is > experiencing technical difficulties. On the other hand, I may have [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)] > Will wait and see. > Cheers! Sigh ... Yes the server had run out of disk space at ~~ 7am PST on Dec 7th, didn't notice until i check this morn (Dec 9th) ~~ 8am PST. At any rate, things should be back to normal. Later, Bruce (playground sysadmin). '95 Disco ------------------------------[ <- Message 35 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: waho@entergy.com Date: Mon, 09 Dec 96 15:29:09 CST Subject: Re: 1997 NAS D90 Please delete me from the mailing list, I'll get back on later > Subject: 1997 NAS D90 > Author: Land-Rover-Owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net at ~~CC3-LA-EC-SMTP-LINK [ truncated by lro-digester (was 47 lines)] > cheers > Jim ------------------------------[ <- Message 36 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: MHKINGER@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 18:38:56 -0500 Subject: Re: What has happened to the Digest? So it ain't me. I had the same problem and re-subscribed Mike ------------------------------[ <- Message 37 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: robot1@juno.com Subject: Where the heck is the list? Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 19:19:03 EST Alright, did you guys throw me out or is the list down? Robot1@juno.com Robot10@aol.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 38 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 17:17:47 -0700 From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen) Subject: Re: Then again... Rich, Your treatise on old Land Rovers vs new was well done and I continue. I've been on a lot of Land Rover runs in nearly 20 years of living in Roverdom. I must point out that lately, now that the new rigs are here, it's the old rigs that are in trouble on the trails that I frequent. Much of this can be attributed to age and often to poor maintenance (a good argument for tech inspections prior to a run). In nearly four years of running late Land Rover products on the trail as one of Land Rover's driving instructors, I can attest that they are reliable in very adverse situations.I'll admit to needing convincing at first but I was there to see it. The closest thing we've has to a major EFI failure is a fuel pump that went DOA recently and this was the only vehicle that has ever required towing. We've had two air suspension faults since 1993 (easily fixible). There have been some seat switches and blown fuses over the years. Lots of tires and some wheels have died in the years due to pilot error. The vehicles see more hard work than most people put on theirs in a lifetime and I'd buy one in a heartbeat (if I had the bucks). This summer we used the same vehicles for the Great Divide Expedition (three runs of 700 miles each - 85% off road) and for the Red Rock Adventure in Moab (3 runs of 150 miles each - 90% off-road) and here's the total mechanical cost; Two tires (pilot error), two front axle shafts (one pilot error, one??? - the first was on our "hack" D90 that has upwards of 25K on it - most of it off road. This rig has more frequent flyer miles than most of you because it was a press car for a year!), one fuel pump, and an exhaust hanger (from contact with a rock). Pretty good for 2500 plus miles, novice drivers and tough trails ("Old Tincup", Red Cone, Black Bear, Poukeepsie Gulch, Taylor Pass, Hell's Revenge, Metal Masher, Rose Garden, Wipe Out Hill, The Launching Pad, the Belly Button, etc, etc.). The vehicles we get are "off the shelf" and they get no special prep that I don't give them - namely altitude adjustments, tire pressure adjustments, some nuts and bolts torqued and fluid level checks. They typically have a hundred or som miles on them when we get them. I submit that the new rigs are not unreliable at all, at least in the dirt when it counts.Electronics seldom fail - your computer boots up every day doesn't it? Don't barrage me with "what ifs." "What if" your Series rig layshaft breaks. You're just as screwed as the guy whose EFI module fails - maybe more so. I know that there are folks out there with late model horrors to tell but most of them happen on the pavement, right? The moral - get your Land Rover on the trail more. Anyway, I've foamed at the mouth long enough. Having been a Series owner for many years, I understand some reluctance to give the later rigs their due.I think the mistake is to even try to compare them. Give each their proper due and accolades but don't pit them against each other. That isn't cricket, old boys (and girls). Jim Allen ------------------------------[ <- Message 39 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 17:21:35 -0700 From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen) Subject: Re: Advertising on the digest TO any and All, I'd like to see an answer to the advertising question. A non-computerized friend of mine has half a dozen good Land Rovers for sale now (he's saving up for a D90). I don't get a dime for posting the vehicles but some of you may get a great old series rig to cherish. SHould I or should I not post them? How about some policy on stuff for sale? Jim Allen ------------------------------[ <- Message 40 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Hugh Grierson" <Hugh.Grierson@trimble.co.nz> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 13:34:59 +1300 Subject: Re: Why Land-Rovers in the US? > Toyota persevered with several versions of their product and remains in the > market today with the fourth generation of their station wagon. Although no > longer in production, the short chassis model is still highly desirable ... > Nissan dropped their Patrol in the late 1960s. Just a small correction. Both the current generation short wheelbase Toyota Landcruiser and the Nissan Patrol are still in production. Both are common in NZ and I guess Australia and Japan. Just not imported to the US it seems. -- hugh.grierson@trimble.co.nz ------------------------------[ <- Message 41 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: NADdMD@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 19:52:26 -0500 Subject: Re: Advertising on the digest In a message dated 96-12-09 19:29:15 EST, you write: << TO any and All, I'd like to see an answer to the advertising question. A non-computerized friend of mine has half a dozen good Land Rovers for sale now (he's saving up for a D90). I don't get a dime for posting the vehicles but some of you may get a great old series rig to cherish. SHould I or should I not post them? How about some policy on stuff for sale? >> Post 'em! That's exactly how I found my new project. Got the tele number here on the lro and gave the guy a call. I say if LR related and not blatant it can only add to the knowledge base. First amendment (US content) and all that. For that matter post the LRW pict., decency is still being debated (US content). Nate NADdMD@aol.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 42 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 18:45:49 -0600 From: car4doc <car4doc@concentric.net> Subject: Re: SIII Wheel Nut thread size Hi Peter, I was wondering what kind of gas milage you are getting on your conversion? I am considering a 3.8 conversion to a Early 2A. Regards, Rob Davis_chicago ------------------------------[ <- Message 43 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: NADdMD@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 20:15:40 -0500 Subject: Poachers! Welcome back all, Tonight, after picking up my son at swim practice, I returned home in the J**p to find my wife running up from the barn. "Poachers in the back field, let's go get 'em!" , she says. Jumped out of the J**p and fired up the LR. We've recently had fairly heavy rains and the fields are muddy/frozen (midway up the horses' cannon bones by the creek). We set off across the creek and up into the back fields at up to 30 mph (3 H 4X4). Got to the back fenceline in time to catch 'em and while my wife found out who they were, I circled around the back fenceline to see if there were any more. What a blast. Scared the h*ll out them and getting to fly around the muddy pastures at night. One note though, if any of you like to do forest trails, seriously consider any decision to put on a roof rack. I did a fair amount of pruning with mine while I was out there. It'd only take one good sized limb at the wrong angle to quickly remove it. Nate NADdMD@aol.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 44 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 17:30:27 -0800 (PST) From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Advertising on the digest On Mon, 9 Dec 1996, Jim Allen wrote: (snipped by me) > I'd like to see an answer to the advertising question. > A friend of mine has half a dozen good Land Rovers for sale > now. Should I or should I not post them? > How about some policy on stuff for sale? Dear Jim: I say, PLEASE post them. Have subject line such as "Land Rovers for Sale" to let those who DON'T want to know skip over it. As I've said, the policy is defined by 'us': notices of LR stuff for sale by list members are welcomed by me. (On the RRO [coil-spring digest] and the west-coast list, members frequently post info about LRs for sale seen in local classified ads, with disclaimers regarding the vehicle: to let us know what is out there.) There is a big difference between occasional mention of LR stuff for sale posted by list members and the terrible mass of junk mail/bulk mail that clutters so much of the rest of our lives (in the USA). I think of our list as a gathering of Land Rover folks: we discuss all sorts of things. If someone has something for sale, or wants to buy something, let them speak up. If a message smacks us with too much commercial content, we'll let the sender know! (Remember Krazy Kev from last year?) Best wishes, David Rosenbaum '94 D90 but will someday have a Series LR, too ^^^^^^^ ------------------------------[ <- Message 45 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 18:47:21 -0800 From: jouster@rocket.com (John Ousterhout) Subject: Re: Why Land-Rovers in the US? Hugh mentions: >> Nissan dropped their Patrol in the late 1960s. >Just a small correction. Both the current generation short [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] >production. Both are common in NZ and I guess Australia and Japan. >Just not imported to the US it seems. I will add that BC (Canada) has a large number of them, as well as the lwb hi-cap pickups, including until recently a nice diesel Toyota P/U. 'Shame it isn't available down here (in Washington state). John O ------------------------------[ <- Message 46 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 21:30:48 -0500 From: Jeff Berry <jaberry@i2020.net> Subject: towing I am going to be moving to the panhandle of Florida this weekend and am towing my 90 with a U-Haul on a dolly (front wheels up) for 900 miles. Any suggestions on the best way to do this? I believe the propshaft needs to be disconnected? -- ***Jeff Berry, Richmond, VA----jaberry@i2020.net Go Sun Devils!! * '94 D90 * '94 FLSF ------------------------------[ <- Message 47 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Jim Pappas <roverhed@m3.pcix.com> Subject: BSROA Holiday Party Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 23:32:35 -0500 DATE: Saturday, Jan. 4th, 1997 VENUE: AMANO, Inc. LOCATION: Newton, MA Details posted this week. Hasty flyer to be mailed out. This year, we're doing something a little different. We will have the = party at Bill & Elyse' catering kitchen!! With plenty of mingling. A DJ. = And some great food instead of the Sheraton airline food we've had in = the past.... Instead of a cash bar, this year's event will be BYOB... So, TICK off = the date, JANUARY 4th!! Consult also Club Line on 617-545-4743 for details as we get them... Yes, 1997 is just around the corner. And the BSROA will have another = great year of events, starting with this one!! BE THERE! Cheers Jim ------------------------------[ <- Message 48 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Gene Sparks" <galleryg@techline.com> Subject: Announcing Rhino Gear (commercial content) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 07:36:31 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First of all, Thank you to everyone for your positive responses and comments. Our company is called Rhino Gear. We are a small upstart company located in Washington State that makes custom body armor specifically for Land Rover products. To view our products or find out more information about us you can visit our website at http://www.techline.com/~galleryg/rhino.htm It is still under construction but worth a visit. We make Sliders, Differential protectors, Skid plates, Brush wire kits, Awnings, etc. We also are a distributor for ARB Bumpers and Old Man Emu suspension with low pricing. In response to one comment about us being sued by Safari Gard, this is incorrect. True there is some similarity between our products, but then there is similarity between Safari Gard and Mantec products also. The main differences between the three being quality, guarantee and pricing. I am former customer of Safari Gard and they are a fine company. I just felt there was room for improvement in the design and pricing of products like sliders and diff guards, that is how Rhino Gear was born. Thanks again to everyone for allowing us to post. Gene Sparks USS Disco Rhino Gear ------=_NextPart_000_01BBE348.32D52300 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head></head><BODY bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><p><font size=3D2 = color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Arial"><br>First of all, Thank you to everyone = for your positive responses and comments. Our company is called Rhino = Gear.<br>We are a small upstart company located in Washington State that = makes custom body armor specifically for<br>Land Rover products. To view = our products or find out more information about us you can visit our = website at<br>http://www.techline.com/~galleryg/rhino.htm It = is still under construction but worth a visit.<br><br>We make Sliders, = Differential protectors, Skid plates, Brush wire kits, Awnings, etc. We = also are a distributor for<br>ARB Bumpers and Old Man Emu suspension = with low pricing.<br><br>In response to one comment about us being sued = by Safari Gard, this is incorrect. True there is some = similarity<br>between our products, but then there is similarity between = Safari Gard and Mantec products also. The main differences<br>between = the three being quality, guarantee and pricing. I am former customer of = Safari Gard and they are a fine company.<br>I just felt there was room = for improvement in the design and pricing of products like sliders and = diff guards, that is how <br>Rhino Gear was born. <br><br>Thanks again = to everyone for allowing us to post.<br><br>Gene Sparks<br>USS = Disco<br>Rhino Gear</p> </font></body></html> ------=_NextPart_000_01BBE348.32D52300-- ------------------------------[ <- Message 49 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 18:55:01 -0800 (PST) From: scooper@scooper.seanet.com (John & Sandy Cooper) Subject: Advertising I like to see what's out there for sale. That's part of being on the list. John Cooper 11a ------------------------------[ <- Message 50 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 22:05:22 -0500 From: "David M. Schwarz" <dschwarz@pipeline.com> Subject: Re: Discovery check engine light coming on and staying on. My check engine light came on and has stayed on for about two weeks. I stopped by the dealer in Glen Cove, Long Island, New York the day after it first came on to inquire about it and was told to relax, if the car is sounding and operating normally, forget about it. It seems to be happening to eveyone. I was assured it'll be taken care of the next time I bring the car in for service. All the people I've met from the dealerships on Long Island, (there seem to be three, all owned by the same person), couldn't possibly be nicer than they are. I feel I've been well taken care of by service men and salesmen and have absolutely no complaints. The dealer has sponsored several off the road events which many of the dealer's employees regularly attend, to teach, help guide and encourage us amateurs. These events promote "first-name" basis communication on a social level between dealer and customer, and have done a great deal to promote enthusiasm for ownership and actual use of the vehicles. I doubt I would have ventured off the road at all without this program. And that, as the poster in the dealer's show room says, is equivalent to owning an airplane you only taxi and never fly. Please post more concerning "that wrong cyl head thing" I'd like to know what's really going on. Thanks, David, Dix Hills, Long Island, New York. ------------------------------[ <- Message 51 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 19:17:12 -0800 From: ed hall <goldnet@vegas.infi.net> Subject: Re: Advertising on the digest NADdMD@aol.com wrote: > I'd like to see an answer to the advertising question. A > non-computerized friend of mine has half a dozen good Land Rovers for sale [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] > How about some policy on stuff for sale? > NADdMD@aol.com I for one see no problem with the posting of personal sale items on the list. I feel that the problem is when a busness post things on the list. i.e. the local landy car dealer starts listing his landys on the list. But for someone to just list extras that they or a friend has, I feel that this is a help to us. I am about to start stripping my 61 IIA 88 down to replace the frame and what ever else I find wrong with it, and would be very happy to find a good deal from someone who has extra parts laing around they want to get rid of. It seems to me like this is a service to the list. Just my feelings, what does everyone else think. ------------------------------[ <- Message 52 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 20:45:47 -0700 From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen) Subject: Re: Air Filter >I'm hoping either Jim or another kind soul can answer a couple of basic >questions about K&N air filter. I've been thinking about doing this >conversion for a long time - mostly to make room for a second battery. [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)] >Solex carb? If it does apply to the Zenith where exactly does it go and >what is it's purpose. Jeff, Engines need to breathe - specifically the crankcases need to breathe. 2.25L engines with PCV systems draw clean air in though a hose that attaches to the air cleaner elbow from the breather filter on the top of the valve cover. When you eliminate the old air filter assy, you either need to attach the hose to the air cleaner itself, install a remote breather filter or let it suck dirty air until the engine croaks. Either of the two methods of filtering the air is possible but the remote method is a bit more user friendly. Jim Allen ------------------------------[ <- Message 53 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 20:47:23 -0700 From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen) Subject: Re: Air Filter ><<The loss of power is felt at the top of the rpm range >- and I mean the TOP! As you know, the Camel drivers wring every pony and [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)] >usage. >pat Hear, hear!! Just for the record, we Americans have the among the best record for bringing back intact vehicles from Camel. Jim Allen ------------------------------[ <- Message 54 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 21:12:53 -0700 From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen) Subject: Re: Advertising on the digest OK, OK, Here are the Vehicles For Sale These rigs are from a gent named Lea Magee - a name some of you will recognize as a former Camel Trophy competitor (Siberia, 1990) but also as one of the driving instructors at LRNA with whom I have been priviledged to work. I call him "The Mother Teresa of Land Rovers" because he has to rescue every derelict he finds. Here's the list he gave me (with spelling corrected). Jim Allen 1967 109 SW, Chevy Six conversion. Body & frame in very good condition. Seats rough. $6500. 1964 SW body, in good condition. $2500 1966 109 PU chassis. No rust. $550. 1971 109 SW, Euro Six Cylinder. Rough condition. $1550. Jackman wheels, 4, white spoke 11x15 w/ desert dog tires in fair shape. $300. 109 Regular bed with full length roof and back door on damaged (front end) chassis with axles. $550. 88 bed, very good. $550. Stripped 88 SW. Body very good, w/tropical roof. Less bonnet. On chassis w/ axles. $2500. Kodiak Heaters. $275. ea. 1960 88 Station Wagon. 2-litre diesel w/Koenig crankshaft drive winch. $5500. Land Rover roof rack w/ rain gutter screw downs. $300. Lea Magee (408) 625-2761 Carmel area, California ------------------------------[ <- Message 55 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Wdcockey@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 23:30:52 -0500 Subject: Re: cancel all e-mail Nate once again renders a service by advising those who are lost: > To cancel the lro mailing list send the following message: > In the To: box type Majordomo@land-rover.team.net > In the Subject: box type unsubscribe > and in the Main body of the letter type unsubscribe jrr007@zim.com Thanks. One minor point: the userid in the main body is not necessary, and may cause problems. Also, you can use any subject name you desire. Regards, David Cockey ------------------------------[ <- Message 56 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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From: bb@olivetti.dk (Bent Bohlers) Subject: RE: Advertising on the digest Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:29:40 +-100 David Rosenbaum[SMTP:rosenbau@u.washington.edu] wrote: I say, PLEASE post them. Have subject line such as "Land Rovers for Sale" to let those who DON'T want to know skip over it. I agree fully, but extend the subject with country. Then all the members living far away from You can easyly skip it. I do not think that the US members are interested in a disco for sale in europe. Happy Rovering Bent Boehlers Herlev, Denmark e-mail: bb@olivetti.dk URL: http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/3542 110" STW 12 seats, V8, 1983 86" softtop, 2 litre, 1955 begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(BL)`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$-@ 0` M`@````(``@`!!) &`' !```!````# ````,``# #````"P`/#@`````"`?\/ M`0```&<`````````@2L?I+ZC$!F=;@#=`0]4`@````!,86YD+5)O=F5R+4]W M;F5R0$QA;F0M4F]V97(N5&5A;2Y.970`4TU44 !,86YD+5)O=F5R+4]W;F5R M0$QA;F0M4F]V97(N5&5A;2Y.970``!X``C !````!0```%--5% `````'@`# M, $````E````3&%N9"U2;W9E<BU/=VYE<D!,86YD+5)O=F5R+E1E86TN3F5T M``````,`%0P!`````P#^#P8````>``$P`0```"<````G3&%N9"U2;W9E<BU/ M=VYE<D!,86YD+5)O=F5R+E1E86TN3F5T)P```@$+, $````J````4TU44#I, M04Y$+5)/5D52+4]73D520$Q!3D0M4D]615(N5$5!32Y.150````#```Y```` M``L`0#H!`````@'V#P$````$`````````R=.`0B !P`8````25!-+DUI8W)O M<V]F="!-86EL+DYO=&4`,0@!!( !`!X```!213H@061V97)T:7-I;F<@;VX@ M=&AE(&1I9V5S= !O"@$%@ ,`#@```,P'# `*``H`'0`H``(`.@$!(( #``X` M``#,!PP`"@`*`!@`"@`"`!<!`0F `0`A````-C1$,4%$03DW,#4R1# Q,3DX M1C$P,#8P.$-#1C,U,S<`!@<!`Y &`%@$```2````"P`C```````#`"8````` M``L`*0```````P`V``````! `#D``'=.JWSFNP$>`' ``0```!X```!213H@ M061V97)T:7-I;F<@;VX@=&AE(&1I9V5S= ````(!<0`!````%@````&[YGRK M'*FMT652<!'0F/$`8(S/-3<``!X`'@P!````!0```%--5% `````'@`?# $` M```/````8F) ;VQI=F5T=&DN9&L```,`!A#XD\5%`P`'$+T!```>``@0`0`` M`&4```!$059)1%)/4T5.0D%535--5% Z4D]314Y"055 55=!4TA)3D=43TY% M1%574D]413I)4T%9+%!,14%315!/4U142$5-2$%615-50DI%0U1,24Y%4U5# M2$%3(DQ!3D123U9%4E-&``````(!"1 !````V0(``-4"``!!! ``3%I&=<,` M3?W_``H!#P(5`J@%ZP*#`% "\@D"`&-H"L!S970R-P8`!L,"@S(#Q0(`<')" M<1'B<W1E;0*#,S<"Y <3`H,T!$83,S$@NPA5`H!]"H (SPG9.Q?/>#(U-0* M"H$-L0M@;O!G,3 S#? +"A5A"_(:8P! ( J%"HML:3$$.# "T6DM,30TSPWP M#- >DPM9,38*H -@!1/08P5 1&%V:60#!_$1L&YB875M6V!33510.@-@(31 M0'4N=V%S: N 9\IT`B N"8!U71N/%D#T('<@0CH*APMD%%$+\@$@-DD@<V%Y M+" `4$Q%05-%(' 3(2 %0'1H$^ N($C%(,!E)S!U8FH@<AWP%FXHXA%P("+ M("),[P!P(/(HT!&@( (0!< &$,AL92(=+3,V'S<F/?\C("EP$< H02$A)- N MP""@<$].)U0DT !P+B-KI&YO!^!S:P4@("K">"!I="B0"H\;W"<@82,)PBL0 M=6QL)V%B=?D%0&5X$] J@2A1*/<#\)4H4" %H'4",')Y*)#^5"A@`Z '0 ,@ M-/(Q90> ?P;0*N(=\"#0&M K$ K!8<TBL'DK$ -A(%D(8#7P]0.192+ >30` M,'0Q(3%EO2<@9"Y0,$ H,@N :RA!\F$H,R!5!? WU@K *.#_"X 3T!?0$\$@ M\ N *A [D'\$``6@*Q,Q92= *X ^DF5Q"'!O<&4[!C%E*+!PWG Y,"JS(O$< MO$()\ 5 \$)O96@K@!&@0/T$D#4K@'8G<$0)\ # <FM9'+QE+0# `Q Z-#!B M#D &\#A@$<!T:2YD448F55),1W!H`D!P$#HO+W=)H"YG94QO8S$@")!S+@6@ M;18O!& C(')*$7DO,Z@U-#(<O#$:\"(&`+Q45TQP$> 1L#R0<R=PA%8X)W Q M.3@S,67((#@V3+!S;P& (R#><"=P$> =\#9 94W2&A +,646\0!1``````,` M$! ``````P`1$ ````! ``<P0.1ZYGOFNP% ``@P0.1ZYGOFNP$>`#T``0`` /``4```!213H@`````*$[ ` end ------------------------------[ <- Message 58 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 09:32:58 +0000 From: Mick Forster <cmtmgf@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Advertising on the digest Hi all, Responsible advertising by long standing list members should I think be encouraged so that list members can benefit from any 'special' offers or bargains other members may have. The problems are when someone acts irresponsibly, purely for profit, but I think that these people would be put in their place loudly and quickly by members of this list. (A similar system would be useful in politics!) Is a request a form of advertising? A request like: does anyone have a IIa or III gearbox for sale for about #50.00 I want to strip one down in a leisurely fashion before tackling the one in my motor. Mick Forster Series III LWB Safari Series IIa SWB ------------------------------[ <- Message 59 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 01:40:46 -0800 From: "Franklin H. Yap" <FHYap@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Why Land-Rovers in the US? Hugh Grierson wrote: > Just a small correction. Both the current generation short > wheelbase Toyota Landcruiser and the Nissan Patrol are still in [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)] > -- > hugh.grierson@trimble.co.nz I think the original writer was referring to the FJ40. I believe you are referring to the FJ75, which was first made in the mid-1980s. ------------------------------[ <- Message 60 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 961210 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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