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From: Jim Pappas <roverhed@m3.pcix.com>
Subject: 1997 NAS D90
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 21:08:14 -0500

Hi all-

LRMW got its first D90 SW the other day. I got a look at it. Alpine =
White. The internal hoop has the *perfected* rubber cladding around to =
prevent noggin' knockin' and the console, massive as it is, is =
reasonably attractive! It has TWO sets of drink holders!! I hope LR =
doesn't try and compete with Chrysler minivans in the cupholder wars!!!

The new A/C unit is a little smoother looking, but yes, the interior =
evap/condenser unit still takes up its share of foot room in the =
passenger well...

Numeric sequence started all over again and a simple number only - no =
*SW* or anything like that. This on I believe was #0121 or thereabouts. =
So yes, at least production will hit four figures!!

I starts instantly and one quickly realizes the the OBD2 engine =
management is lurking in there somewhere. The seat belt lamp stays lit =
until you buckle up!! Instruments look a little more refined and I seem =
to thing that all gauge faces are glass - they may hold up a little =
better in the scratch department than the older ones...

The rest of it is pure `95 D90SW except no more cloth tweed on the seats =
- same as ragtop..

The new owner was stalking behind me and we cobbled up HER accessory =
list - inlcuding M10000 warn/ARB bumper setup! Hopefully, we'll see her =
off road with the rest of the Club in the near future...

I hope to at least have pix in the NOV/DEC Rover Reference...

cheers
Jim

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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 12:49:48 -0500
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@InterLinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Good to be back...

Oh well, looks like the major is up and running again. I was getting lonely,
covered in 35 cm of snow. Great fun in a Rover!

Does anybody know what happened?

Bye for now, 

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 08:44:19 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: testing 123

no new mail???  Hello?

Steve Paustian

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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 08:44:26 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: testing 123

no new mail???  Hello?

Steve Paustian

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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 08:44:22 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: testing 123

no new mail???  Hello?

Steve Paustian

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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 12:52:55 -0500
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@InterLinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: testing 123

Hello

Hello 

Hello

Yes, there is new mail...

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 09:04:34 -0500
From: "Benjamin G. Newman,MD" <medone@iag.net>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

In the Dec issue of LRO it talks about the US Defenders. It says only 
2500 will be made to be sold in the USA.If this is true would this be 
considered a limited edition and therefor be an investment? What 
happened to the 110 Defenders that only 500 were sold here. Did they 
appreciate alot? I would like to hear the wisdom from my fellow Rover 
owners.
By the way, what is the thinking about these new Defenders with 
automatic gear boxes?
Thanks
Benjamin

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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:00:00 -0400
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: Land Rover Toys *is this working?*

>Dear all,
>        As those of you who have been to the shop and seen our wall of
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 41 lines)]
>Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
>    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
>        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: Air Filter
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 08:22:03 +0100 (MET)

Jim,
| ...All the the Camel guys that have
| also driven a standard TDI have commented on the power drop.  Perhaps your
| snorkal is better designed!
Dunno, it's just about 2m of 75mm diam flexible hose and pipe. But as I said,
there was some sort of muffler at the air cleaner box, that I took off.

| If the tubing and inlet is big enough, it helps to alieviate the restriction
| problem.
If I have some time I'll get my physics books out and try to calculate this.

| It's also possible that you don't run
| yours quite as hard. The loss of power is felt at the top of the rpm range
| - and I mean the TOP! As you know, the Camel drivers wring every pony and
| every rpm out of those poor TDIs.
OK! That may be the major difference. I usually don't try to queeze the last
pony out of my 2.5D. I want to drive it some km more than the lenght of a
Camel Trophy.

cu.
Franz
---------------------------------------------------------------
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
       _______
      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]      Brumml, exmil. 1989 Land Rover 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-
                                  

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From: "P Burgers" <PBURGERS@CPLS.WCAPE.GOV.ZA>
Date:          Mon, 9 Dec 1996 15:41:53 +0200
Subject:       SIII Wheel Nut thread size

I have just had a most confusing experience.

I wanted to clean up the threads on the wheel nuts on my '76 SIII.
Thinking that they would (naturally!) be BSF or similar (UNF; NF)
I dug out what I thought was the right tap, a 9/16 BSF.  To my
consternation it was too small.  No problem, a vernier confirmed that
the nominal bolt dia. was 5/8 (0.6150 inches to be precise), and the
screw pitch gauge showed a pitch of 19tpi, perhaps 16tpi.  Armed
with this I went off to the local engineering supply store, taking a
nut with me just in case.  The thread turns out to be 16.0 x 1.5
METRIC FINE!!!!
 Now I am beginning to doubt the engineering supply store!!!

Has anybody out there had experience with this and if so what is the
correct thread.

Peter Burgers
SIII Chev. 4.1L gas guzzling conversion

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Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 13:57:31 -0400
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: Land Rover Toys for sale

Dear all,
        As those of you who have been to the shop and seen our wall of
Rovers know, I'm a Land Rover Toy nut, and we usually have some Land Rover
toys for sale here in the office.
        Well I just found a few rare old models that I thought I'd share
with the digest first. Here goes... interested? email me direct to save
space on the list.

        2 mid 1960's vintage HUSKY models *fore runner to CORGI Jr. I
think* made in Great Britian.

        Number 11, Forward Control Land Rover with removable Canopy
That is the description written on the pacakge. My description is...
SIIA 109 Forward Control, full canvas, in green with tan canvas
Still sealed in the original package, never opened. MOC. Matchbox car
size. Price $20. US, includes
shipping in North America

        Also Number 21, Military Land Rover
Again a SIIA 109 Forward Control, full canvas, but this time in dark green,
with dark green canvas, and a military star on the roof. Still sealed in
the original package, never opened. MOC. Matchbox car size. Price $20. US,
includes shipping in NA.

        Thanks all, have great weekend!
        BTW... Did anyone else go to the opening of the Land Rover
dealership in Scarborough ME this weekend. I was gone, but Alan and Ian got
there late, and I guess missed the group. How'd it go?

        See ya!

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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From: "P Burgers" <PBURGERS@CPLS.WCAPE.GOV.ZA>
Date:          Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:34:26 +0200
Subject:       SIII Wheel Nut thread size

I have just had a most confusing experience.

I wanted to clean up the threads on the wheel nuts on my '76 SIII.
Thinking that they would (naturally!) be BSF or similar (UNF; NF)
I dug out what I thought was the right tap, a 9/16 BSF.  To my
consternation it was too small.  No problem, a vernier confirmed that
the nominal bolt dia. was 5/8 (0.6150 inches to be precise), and the
screw pitch gauge showed a pitch of 19tpi, perhaps 16tpi.  Armed
with this I went off to the local engineering supply store, taking a
nut with me just in case.  The thread turns out to be 16.0 x 1.5
METRIC FINE!!!!
 Now I am beginning to doubt the engineering supply store!!!

Has anybody out there had experience with this and if so what is the
correct thread.

Peter Burgers
SIII Chev. 4.1L gas guzzling conversion

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 22:38:51 -0500
Subject: Re: Air Filter

<<The loss of power is felt at the top of the rpm range
- and I mean the TOP! As you know, the Camel drivers wring every pony and
every rpm out of those poor TDIs.>>

So much for tread lightly... maybe some finesse would save on the parts
usage.

pat

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Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 12:34:23 -0500
From: Ernest Young <ernyoung@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

unsubscribe lro-digest

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date:  9 Dec 96 13:08:22 EST
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 01:20:19 -0500
Subject: Why no "Wheels" in FL

I asked my friendly neighborhood LR Center why they hadn't put on any
off-road Wheels events lately...  I read somewhere that they had to put on 4
per year... so far, not one invitation for anything in my mailbox.

The sales coordinator told me that the dealership owner/manager didn't want
to put them on because: they have been getting a whole bunch of customers
with problems with their Discos' CHECK ENGINE lights coming on (that wrong
cyl head thing) AND the dealership didn't want a group of customers getting
together with time on their hands to chat and talk about all the problems
with their vehicles.

Now *that's* a cure for the problem... don't solve the problem; eliminate the
complainers.

pat "I want to see a muddy 4.6 in Florida" parsons

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Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 13:01:35 +0000
From: Mick Forster <cmtmgf@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: A test, please ignore.

Test sent 13:02 9/12/96

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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:48:12 -0800
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: SFB** Coleman Fuel Bottle Recall

Picked this up on a Sierra Club list...  If you want the full notice, let me
know and I'll forward it.

>>CPSC, THE COLEMAN COMPANY ANNOUNCE PEAK 1 FUEL CONTAINER RECALL

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 14:04:07 -0500
From: Kevin Girling <lroshop@idirect.com>
Subject: Advertising on the digest - Toys for sale

Is there one rule for some and another rule for others?  I thought, and have
always adhered to, the concept of no commercial advertising on the digest.
Granted we made some errors when we first joined but a number of digest
guardians were quick to point out the error of our ways.

How blatant can you get?

Perhaps we should all start advertising!  I have any number of products to
offer and can chew up plenty of space with lots of wonderful offers.

There are other companies out there on the digest.  What would happen if
they all started doing this?

Unbelievable!

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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:33:22 -0800
From: paarch@ix.netcom.com (Paul Archibald)
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Benjamin,
Don't ever buy a vehicle as an INVESTMENT! Buy it because you plan on using
it. There are too many stories of people buying Italian sports cars for the
investment value, five or ten years ago and ending up selling them for half
price after putting in thousands for up-keep.
        Regasrding the Auto gear-box, I have an auto in the RR. It's a
great truck, goes anywhere the Series II goes, and some. But I have to
admit I realy prefer the stick when not in traffic. The Auto works great
off road.
Paul
>In the Dec issue of LRO it talks about the US Defenders. It says only
>2500 will be made to be sold in the USA.If this is true would this be
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>Thanks
>Benjamin

Paul Archibald
paarch@ix.netcom.com
(parch@smmff.com during the week at work)
(510)353-1320 or wk. (408)487-1336
'58 88" RHD 2-litre, rear Koenig
'87 Range-Rover-over 160,000 miles-"going strong" (Squeak)
'92 fly-yellow Ducati 750SS     yesss!!(perfect winter commuter) ;^) I love
California

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From: "Mr Ian Stuart" <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 11:55:28 +0000
Subject: SLROC events for 1997

I've put up on the web the proposed list of events for 1997.

The url is:
http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/SLROC/events97.html

Hope to see a few more List members this year

(Bill, are you going to be over for the Festival again this year? The
Enduro is at the end of the 3rd week ;-) 

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 131 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 

 Faculty web site  : <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/>
Personal home pages: <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 15:21:29 -0500
Subject: Why Land-Rovers in the US?

A few weeks ago a question was posed to this list:     What 4x4 s were
available in the US in the 1960s?   While not a complete and exhaustive list,
the following  list comes to mind:

A.  DOMESTIC NEW MANUFACTURE

   1.  Jeep (Willys, Kaiser & American Motors)
         CJ5
         CJ6
         Station Wagon & Van
         Pickup
         Jeepster
         FC Series
         Wagoneer: 2 door, 4 door & Van
         Pickup: 1/2 & 3/4 Ton

   2.  Ford
         Bronco
         Pickup: 1/2, 3/4 & 1 Ton

   3.  GMC/Chevrolet
         Blazer
         Suburban: 1/2 & 3/4 Ton
         Pickup: 1/2, 3/4 & 1 Ton

   4.  Chrysler
         Carryall
         Pickup: 1/2, 3/4 & 1 Ton
         Power Wagon WM300 1 Ton

   5.  International Harvester
         Scout
         Travelall
         Pickup: 1/2 & 3/4 Ton

B.  IMPORTED NEW MANUFACTURE

   1.  Rover
         Land Rover 88 & 109

   2.  Toyota
         Land Cruiser
         FJ Pickups in 2 wheelbase lengths
         FJ Station Wagon

   3.  Nissan
         Patrol

C.  DOMESTIC MILITARY SURPLUS (WW-II & Later)

   1.  Willys (Kaiser & AMC)
         MB Jeep 1/4 Ton
         MJ5 Jeep 1/4 Ton
         MJ6 Jeep (101" wb)
         M715 1 1/4 Ton (Military only)

   2.  Ford
         MB Jeep 1/4 Ton
         1 1/2 Ton Lightweight
         M151 1/4 Ton (Military only)

   3.  GMC/Chevrolet
         Truck, 1 1/2 Ton

   4.  Dodge
         Ambulance: 1/2 & 3/4 Ton
         Carryall: 1/2 & 3/4 Ton
         Command Car: 1/2 & 3/4 Ton
         Line Truck: 1/2 & 3/4 Ton
         Truck: 1/2 & 3/4 Ton

D.  IMPORTED MILITARY SURPLUS

There were no successful commercial efforts made to import foreign built,
military surplus, 4x4s during the 1960s.  With the exception of museum
pieces, examples were rare.  Occasionally one would see a DKW, Unimog or
an Austin Champ, These were usually out of service and awaiting parts.
There were rumors of the Romanian ARO, but I never saw one.

CONCLUSION: The US was a competitive market in the 1960s for 4x4 utility
machines.  Jeeps bought as military surplus were starting to wear out.
There was a market for replacements.  Buyers wanted more power, more
comfort, weatherproofing, and other improvements.  Jeep had the market
essentially to its self.  To compete with Jeep, IH introduced the Scout and
Ford their Bronco.

A foreign manufacturer entering the US 4x4 market needed a very competitive
product, offering features the competition lacked.  The Toyota Land Cruiser
and the Nissan Patrol, both based on military designs, offered powerful
engines, good quality and competitive prices.  Land Rover offered the second
oldest name, an aluminum body,  a variety of styles and an image.

Toyota persevered with several versions of their product and remains in the
market today with the fourth generation of their station wagon.  Although no
longer in production, the short chassis model is still highly desirable on
the used car market where many have been converted to use Ford or GM V8
engines.  Nissan dropped their Patrol in the late 1960s.  Land Rover
abandoned the US market entirely in the early 1970s.

The question remains: What was then the appeal of the Land Rover in the US?

Paul Donohue
1965 Land Rover 109

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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 15:58:37 -0400
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: Re: Advertising on the digest - Toys for sale

>Is there one rule for some and another rule for others?  I thought, and have
>always adhered to, the concept of no commercial advertising on the digest.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>guardians were quick to point out the error of our ways.
>How blatant can you get?

        If you feel so strongly about it, I won't do it. I didn't really
think that advertising 2 antique Land Rover Toys was a commercial venture.
I never offer vehicles. I have often slung out some odd things we have had
for sale. I had emails that said I was to *toss away* some of the odd and
used things we had. Always looked at it as helping out. I never did things
like offer specials of fuel pumps etc, just toys and used parts.
>Perhaps we should all start advertising!  I have any number of products to
>offer and can chew up plenty of space with lots of wonderful offers.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>There are other companies out there on the digest.  What would happen if
>they all started doing this?

        I think you are reading a bit much into my signature. If I got
another email address that didn't state I was Mike from ECR would that be
OK? I still am an enthusiast who wanted to share the toy booty with the
friends on the digest, but now I see how the list feels. I'll never do it
again.
>Unbelievable!
>offer and can chew up plenty of space with lots of wonderful offers.

        A bit strong for 2 old Corgi toys don't you think??? but I'll go
with what the list wants.

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 12:56:53 -0800 (PST)
From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Advertising on the digest - Toys for sale

On Mon, 9 Dec 1996, Kevin Girling wrote:
> Is there one rule for some and another rule for others?  I thought, and have
> always adhered to, the concept of no commercial advertising on the digest.

Dear Kevin:
You'll probably get a range of replies, but I ENJOY notices of LR stuff
for sale, especially from people who are known to the list. I don't care
whether the person is selling as an 'individual' or as part of a business,
but strongly favor:
1. Noting commercial or "for sale" content in the "Subject" header.
2. Announcements that are BRIEF, with request to e-mail seller directly
   for more info or details.

We list members are the ultimate judges of what is acceptable or not: the
above is my 2 cents' worth.

David Rosenbaum
'94 D90

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I've put up on the web the proposed list of events for 1997.

The url is:
http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/SLROC/events97.html

Hope to see a few more List members this year

(Bill, are you going to be over for the Festival again this year? The
Enduro is at the end of the 3rd week ;-) 

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 131 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 

 Faculty web site  : <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/>
Personal home pages: <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

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From: "Oldhaven" <oldhaven@mail.biddeford.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 17:31:40 -0500
Subject: Re: Advertising on the digest 

My 3 lines:

People that are helpful and contribute good information, (and sometimes even give away 
stuff) are welcome to the odd brief FS notice here, if my opinion counts.

Those who see us solely as a profit opportunity, and are never heard from except 
commercially can go elsewhere for their perfectly valid sales needs.

We shouldn't alienate those in the first category,(good people all), by 
lumping them in with the very few who are in the second, (also usually good 
people), who misunderstand the purpose of this list and cause some offense.

Ron Franklin
thanking all of you who have been helpful to me. ( Any body have any 110 
bulkhead trim FS?)

Bowdoin, Maine, USA

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From: "Oscar Beasley" <beasleyo@milo.cfw.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 10:51:20 +0000
Subject: What's the news?

Haven't heard from you for DAYS!  Presumably the server is 
experiencing technical difficulties.  On the other hand, I may have 
been deleted again. 

Will wait and see.

Cheers!

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Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 17:24:13 -0500
From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com>
Subject: Re: Advertising on the digest - Toys for sale

<SNIP>
Mike,  I'm on your side.  How quickly some forget the free parts that you
(ECR) offered earlier this year.  As for some rare LR toys to make it into
someones stocking this X-mas,  GO RIGHT AHEAD!!!

At least he's not selling a 109 frame :)

Mike Johnson  N7WBO

74 SIII 88 (Chester)  175k daily driver
73 SIII 88 (Jezebel)  everyone's gettin a piece

http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm

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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 15:47:53 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: Why Land-Rovers in the US?

 Paul,

        Your list of 4x4 vehicles available here in the USA was well done
and almost complete. My compliments!!! The only reason I'm able to judge is
that I'm producing a book on the subject due out next year. You really only
missed some of the conversion companies (most on their last legs by that
time) such as NAPCO (now defunct) and Marmon-Herrington (still around) and
the founding father,FWD, which built a one-ton 4x4 in the 1960s (the LD).
        In any case, I think the reason Land Rover's sales were not
tremendous was simply a case of "cranial rectitis" from the other side of
the pond. They had a good product that need a few upgrades (such as a more
powerful engine) to compete here. The Range Rover could have done well here
and we all know (based on prototype 100/3 a LHD RR with emission controls)
they had us in mind then. They even had a good marketing person here in the
form of J. Bruce McWilliams. They just quit listening to him or had other
fires to put out. Oh well!
        Their success here now is proof that the '60s and '70s were a lost
opportunity for them. Better late than never, eh! Again, good work on the
list!

Jim Allen

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From: Peter Reynolds <Peter_Reynolds@mktplace.com>
Date:  9 Dec 96 15:10:32 EDT
Subject: does any one know of any good rover history resources on the net?

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From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: What has happened to the Digest?
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 23:12:55 +0000

Is the Digest down? Have I been excommunicated? Have I been unscribed by
some dasterdly Aro owner or dealer? No Digest since friday Dec. 6th.

Keep On (Land-Rover) Truckin'
Jim Wolf 1966 sIIa 109 sw Vicky
Portsmouth, VA. USA

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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 18:07:29 -0500 (EST)
From: 12/4/95 <rsloan@titan.liunet.edu>
Subject: Then again...

This is more like .25=A2 than .02=A2 ie. it's loooooooong...

At first glance it would seem true that coilers have surpassed earlier
LR's in many aspects except for reliability on the trail and ease of servic=
e.
While this may be readily agreed upon at first, I think that context is
somewhat important.  There are many similar systems involved in the manufac=
ture
of the Defender, Disco, and RR's, however, I would term the latter two more=

dependant on electronic gadgetry to function to their fullest capacity. 
And while some of these systems might fail, I am convinced that anyone who=

seriously considers using one of these vehicles for off road use should bec=
ome
explicitly familiar with it's systems, just as serious series owners seek=

familiarity with their vehicles.  While they do perform admirably off
road, Discos and RR's are not constructed with the intent of being
explicitly a trail vehicle, they are comfort cruisers with off road
capabilities.  That makes a big difference, I think.
A Defender is a somewhat different beast.  It is billed as a 
reinterpretation of the series vehicles.  Quality was a recurring concern=

in the history of the marque, not just now.  The Defender's systems are
of course, technologically advanced, because the technology exists and is=

cost effective for LR to use some of the same systems.  I would like to
note however, that it costs more to build a D90 than a RR HSE, simply
because the production is manpower based as opposed to machinated
assembly.  At least, I've read that in a couple of places. So to compare
apples to apples, I guess we have to look at Defenders and Series.

Basically what I am saying is, when the first series Land Rover came out,=

and the last Series vehicle rolled off the production line, there are
probably some significant changes that a diehard SI user
somewhere considered frivolous.  I've never owned an old Land Rover, but
I used to drive a '69 Ford Bronco (front end coil sprung, interestingly
enough) and it was a headache.  Sure it was easy enough to take care of,
but it ALWAYS needed taking care of.  There was a lot of stuff the PO
rigged to make it work, plus there was just the fatigue surrounding a 25+=

year old vehicle.  Anyway, I guess it boils down to the technology at
hand.  Things progress, that may be fortunate in some instances or
unfortunate in others, but it is a fact.  While my Bronco had that
mysterious charm of being old and somewhat unusual in the way some of its=

components worked, my Defender will aquire that with use as I embue it
with the qualities an owner imparts.  So far I have been nothing short of=

impressed with the vehicle off road and on.  I've had my grumbles and
complaints, but they have all been dealt with with great dispatch, and
none of the problems rendered the vehicle inoperable.  Maintenance is the=

key.  A well maintained vehicle is a well maintained vehicle.  The
argument towards component failure will never be successfully argued
either way, simply because components can fail more often due to
complexity (advanced technology) and they can just as often fail due to
age and fatigue, and you more often than not won't know until it happens
in either case.  So being prepared is also a big factor, and to be
prepared you have to know your vehicle.  So is it really easier to
service a series over a D90, or is it just different?  Not having owned a=

Series I don't know, but if I compare the differences between owning my
Bronco and my Defender, I've spent far more sweat and blood in the mud
driving that than the D90.  Only time will tell how the new products hold=

up, but so far I see no indication the marque has lost longevity.  Whew!
Now, I'd be interested in seeing warranty service repairs and such across=

the marque's history, that would probably help determine the lapses of
reliability in the family.

that was a mouthful!
Rich
D90

P.s Is the list up, cuz I haven't gotten one byte :|

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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 15:21:58 -0800
From: bruce.curtis@Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Curtis)
Subject: Re: What's the news?

> Haven't heard from you for DAYS!  Presumably the server is 
> experiencing technical difficulties.  On the other hand, I may have 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> Will wait and see.
> Cheers!
Sigh ... Yes the server had run out of disk space at ~~ 7am PST on Dec 7th,
didn't notice until i check this morn (Dec 9th) ~~ 8am PST.

At any rate, things should be back to normal.

Later, Bruce (playground sysadmin).
'95 Disco

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From: waho@entergy.com
Date: Mon, 09 Dec 96 15:29:09 CST
Subject: Re: 1997 NAS D90

     Please delete me from the mailing list, I'll get back on later

> Subject: 1997 NAS D90
> Author:  Land-Rover-Owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net at ~~CC3-LA-EC-SMTP-LINK

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 47 lines)]
> cheers
> Jim

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From: MHKINGER@aol.com
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 18:38:56 -0500
Subject: Re: What has happened to the Digest?

So it ain't me. I had the same problem and re-subscribed
Mike 

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From: robot1@juno.com
Subject: Where the heck is the list?
Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 19:19:03 EST

Alright, did you guys throw me out or is the list down?

Robot1@juno.com
Robot10@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 17:17:47 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: Then again...

Rich,

        Your treatise on old Land Rovers vs new was well done and I
continue. I've been on a lot of Land Rover runs in nearly 20 years of
living in Roverdom.  I must point out that lately, now that the new rigs
are here, it's the old rigs that are in trouble on the trails that I
frequent.
        Much of this can be attributed to age and often to poor maintenance
(a good argument for tech inspections prior to a run). In nearly four years
of running late Land Rover products on the trail as one of Land Rover's
driving instructors, I can attest that they are reliable in very adverse
situations.I'll admit to needing convincing at first but I was there to see
it.
         The closest thing we've has to a major EFI failure is a fuel pump
that went DOA recently and this was the only vehicle that has ever required
towing. We've had two air suspension faults since 1993 (easily fixible).
There have been some seat switches and blown fuses over the years. Lots of
tires and some wheels have died in the years due to pilot error. The
vehicles see more hard work than most people put on theirs in a lifetime
and I'd buy one in a heartbeat (if I had the bucks).
        This summer we used the same vehicles for the Great Divide
Expedition (three runs of 700 miles each - 85% off road) and for the Red
Rock Adventure in Moab (3 runs of 150 miles each - 90% off-road) and here's
the total mechanical cost; Two tires (pilot error), two front axle shafts
(one pilot error, one??? - the first was on our "hack" D90 that has upwards
of 25K on it - most of it off road. This rig has more frequent flyer miles
than most of you because it was a press car for a year!), one fuel pump,
and an exhaust hanger (from contact with a rock). Pretty good for 2500 plus
miles, novice drivers and tough trails ("Old Tincup", Red Cone, Black Bear,
Poukeepsie Gulch, Taylor Pass, Hell's Revenge, Metal Masher, Rose Garden,
Wipe Out Hill, The Launching Pad, the Belly Button, etc, etc.).
        The vehicles we get are "off the shelf" and they get no special
prep that I don't give them - namely altitude adjustments, tire pressure
adjustments, some nuts and bolts torqued and fluid level checks. They
typically have a hundred or som miles on them when we get them.
        I submit that the new rigs are not unreliable at all, at least in
the dirt when it counts.Electronics seldom fail - your computer boots up
every day doesn't it? Don't barrage me with "what ifs." "What if" your
Series rig layshaft breaks. You're just as screwed as the guy whose EFI
module fails - maybe more so. I know that there are folks out there with
late model horrors to tell but most of them happen on the pavement, right?
The moral - get your Land Rover on the trail more.
        Anyway, I've foamed at the mouth long enough. Having been a Series
owner for many years, I understand some reluctance to give the later rigs
their due.I think the mistake is to even try to compare them. Give each
their proper due and accolades but don't pit them against each other. That
isn't cricket, old boys (and girls).

Jim Allen

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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 17:21:35 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: Advertising on the digest

TO any and All,

        I'd like to see an answer to the advertising question. A
non-computerized friend of mine has half a dozen good Land Rovers for sale
now (he's saving up for a D90). I don't get a dime for posting the vehicles
but some of you may get a great old series rig to cherish. SHould I or
should I not post them?
        How about some policy on stuff for sale?

Jim Allen

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From: "Hugh Grierson" <Hugh.Grierson@trimble.co.nz>
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 13:34:59 +1300
Subject: Re: Why Land-Rovers in the US?

> Toyota persevered with several versions of their product and remains in the
> market today with the fourth generation of their station wagon.  Although no
> longer in production, the short chassis model is still highly desirable ...
> Nissan dropped their Patrol in the late 1960s.

Just a small correction.  Both the current generation short
wheelbase Toyota Landcruiser and the Nissan Patrol are still in
production.  Both are common in NZ and I guess Australia and Japan.

Just not imported to the US it seems.
-- 
hugh.grierson@trimble.co.nz

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 19:52:26 -0500
Subject: Re: Advertising on the digest

In a message dated 96-12-09 19:29:15 EST, you write:

<< TO any and All,
 
         I'd like to see an answer to the advertising question. A
 non-computerized friend of mine has half a dozen good Land Rovers for sale
 now (he's saving up for a D90). I don't get a dime for posting the vehicles
 but some of you may get a great old series rig to cherish. SHould I or
 should I not post them?
         How about some policy on stuff for sale?
  >>

Post 'em!

That's exactly how I found my new project.  Got the tele number here on the
lro and gave the guy a call.  I say if LR related and not blatant it can only
add to the knowledge base.  First amendment (US content) and all that.   

For that matter post the LRW pict., decency is still being debated (US
content).

Nate 
NADdMD@aol.com 

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Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 18:45:49 -0600
From: car4doc <car4doc@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: SIII Wheel Nut thread size

Hi Peter,
 I was wondering what kind of gas milage you are getting on your
conversion?  I am considering a 3.8 conversion to a Early 2A.

Regards,
 Rob Davis_chicago

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 20:15:40 -0500
Subject: Poachers!

Welcome back all,

Tonight, after picking up my son at swim practice, I returned home in the
J**p to find my wife running up from the barn. 
"Poachers in the back field, let's go get 'em!"  , she says.

Jumped out of the J**p and fired up the LR.  

We've recently had fairly heavy rains and the fields are muddy/frozen (midway
up the horses' cannon bones by the creek).

We set off across the creek and up into the back fields at up to 30 mph (3 H
4X4).
Got to the back fenceline in time to catch 'em and while my wife found out
who they were, I circled around the back fenceline to see if there were any
more.

What a blast.  Scared the h*ll out them and getting to fly around the muddy
pastures at night.

One note though, if any of you like to do forest trails, seriously consider
any decision to put on a roof rack.  I did a fair amount of pruning with mine
while I was out there.  It'd only take one good sized limb at the wrong angle
to quickly remove it.

Nate
NADdMD@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 17:30:27 -0800 (PST)
From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Advertising on the digest

On Mon, 9 Dec 1996, Jim Allen wrote: (snipped by me)
>         I'd like to see an answer to the advertising question.
> A friend of mine has half a dozen good Land Rovers for sale
> now. Should I or should I not post them?
>         How about some policy on stuff for sale?

Dear Jim:

I say, PLEASE post them. Have subject line such as "Land Rovers for Sale"
to let those who DON'T want to know skip over it. 

As I've said, the policy is defined by 'us': notices of LR stuff for sale
by list members are welcomed by me. (On the RRO [coil-spring digest] and
the west-coast list, members frequently post info about LRs for sale seen
in local classified ads, with disclaimers regarding the vehicle: to let us
know what is out there.)

There is a big difference between occasional mention of LR stuff for sale
posted by list members and the terrible mass of junk mail/bulk mail that
clutters so much of the rest of our lives (in the USA).

I think of our list as a gathering of Land Rover folks: we discuss all
sorts of things. If someone has something for sale, or wants to buy
something, let them speak up. If a message smacks us with too much
commercial content, we'll let the sender know! (Remember Krazy Kev from
last year?)

Best wishes,
David Rosenbaum 
'94 D90 but will someday have a Series LR, too
                 ^^^^^^^

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Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 18:47:21 -0800
From: jouster@rocket.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: Re: Why Land-Rovers in the US?

Hugh mentions:
>> Nissan dropped their Patrol in the late 1960s.
>Just a small correction.  Both the current generation short
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>production.  Both are common in NZ and I guess Australia and Japan.
>Just not imported to the US it seems.

I will add that BC (Canada) has a large number of them, as well as the lwb 
hi-cap pickups, including until recently a nice diesel Toyota P/U. 'Shame it 
isn't available down here (in Washington state).
John O

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Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 21:30:48 -0500
From: Jeff Berry <jaberry@i2020.net>
Subject: towing

I am going to be moving to the panhandle of Florida this weekend and am
towing my 90 with a U-Haul on a dolly (front wheels up) for 900 miles.
Any suggestions on the best way to do this?  I believe the propshaft
needs to be disconnected? 
-- 
***Jeff Berry, Richmond, VA----jaberry@i2020.net
Go Sun Devils!!
* '94 D90 	
* '94 FLSF

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From: Jim Pappas <roverhed@m3.pcix.com>
Subject: BSROA Holiday Party
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 23:32:35 -0500

DATE: Saturday, Jan. 4th, 1997
VENUE: AMANO, Inc.
LOCATION: Newton, MA

Details posted this week. Hasty flyer to be mailed out.

This year, we're doing something a little different. We will have the =
party at Bill & Elyse' catering kitchen!! With plenty of mingling. A DJ. =
And some great food instead of the Sheraton airline food we've had in =
the past....

Instead of a cash bar, this year's event will be BYOB... So, TICK off =
the date, JANUARY 4th!!

Consult also Club Line on 617-545-4743 for details as we get them...

Yes, 1997 is just around the corner. And the BSROA will have another =
great year of events, starting with this one!!

BE THERE!

Cheers
Jim

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From: "Gene Sparks" <galleryg@techline.com>
Subject: Announcing Rhino Gear (commercial content)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 07:36:31 -0800
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First of all, Thank you to everyone for your positive responses and
comments. Our company is called Rhino Gear.
We are a small upstart company located in Washington State that makes
custom body armor specifically for
Land Rover products. To view our products or find out more information
about us you can visit our website at
http://www.techline.com/~galleryg/rhino.htm   It is still under
construction but worth a visit.

We make Sliders, Differential protectors, Skid plates, Brush wire kits,
Awnings, etc. We also are a distributor for
ARB Bumpers and Old Man Emu suspension with low pricing.

In response to one comment about us being sued by Safari Gard, this is
incorrect. True there is some similarity
between our products, but then there is similarity between Safari Gard and
Mantec products also. The main differences
between the three being quality, guarantee and pricing. I am former
customer of Safari Gard and they are a fine company.
I just felt there was room for improvement in the design and pricing of
products like sliders and diff guards, that is how 
Rhino Gear was born. 

Thanks again to everyone for allowing us to post.

Gene Sparks
USS Disco
Rhino Gear
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color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Arial"><br>First of all, Thank you to everyone =
for your positive responses and comments. Our company is called Rhino =
Gear.<br>We are a small upstart company located in Washington State that =
makes custom body armor specifically for<br>Land Rover products. To view =
our products or find out more information about us you can visit our =
website at<br>http://www.techline.com/~galleryg/rhino.htm &nbsp;&nbsp;It =
is still under construction but worth a visit.<br><br>We make Sliders, =
Differential protectors, Skid plates, Brush wire kits, Awnings, etc. We =
also are a distributor for<br>ARB Bumpers and Old Man Emu suspension =
with low pricing.<br><br>In response to one comment about us being sued =
by Safari Gard, this is incorrect. True there is some =
similarity<br>between our products, but then there is similarity between =
Safari Gard and Mantec products also. The main differences<br>between =
the three being quality, guarantee and pricing. I am former customer of =
Safari Gard and they are a fine company.<br>I just felt there was room =
for improvement in the design and pricing of products like sliders and =
diff guards, that is how <br>Rhino Gear was born. <br><br>Thanks again =
to everyone for allowing us to post.<br><br>Gene Sparks<br>USS =
Disco<br>Rhino Gear</p>
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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 18:55:01 -0800 (PST)
From: scooper@scooper.seanet.com (John & Sandy Cooper)
Subject: Advertising

I like to see what's out there for sale.  That's part of being on the list.
John Cooper 11a

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Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 22:05:22 -0500
From: "David M. Schwarz" <dschwarz@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: Discovery check engine light coming on and staying on. 

My check engine light came on and has stayed on for about two weeks.  I
stopped by the dealer in Glen Cove, Long Island, New York the day after it
first came on to inquire about it and was told to relax, if the car is
sounding and operating normally, forget about it.  It seems to be happening
to eveyone.  I was assured it'll be taken care of the next time I bring the
car in for service.  

All the people I've met from the dealerships on Long Island, (there seem to
be three, all owned by the same person), couldn't possibly be nicer than
they are. I feel I've been well taken care of by service men and salesmen
and have absolutely no complaints.  The dealer has sponsored several off the
road events which many of the dealer's employees regularly attend, to teach,
help guide and encourage us amateurs.  These events promote "first-name"
basis communication on a social level between dealer and customer, and have
done a great deal to promote enthusiasm for ownership and actual use of the
vehicles.  I doubt I would have ventured off the road at all without this
program.  And that, as the poster in the dealer's show room says, is
equivalent to owning an airplane you only taxi and never fly.  

Please post more concerning "that wrong cyl head thing" I'd like to know
what's really going on.  
Thanks, David, Dix Hills, Long Island, New York. 

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Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 19:17:12 -0800
From: ed hall <goldnet@vegas.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Advertising on the digest

NADdMD@aol.com wrote:
>          I'd like to see an answer to the advertising question. A
>  non-computerized friend of mine has half a dozen good Land Rovers for sale
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>          How about some policy on stuff for sale?
> NADdMD@aol.com

I for one see no problem with the posting of personal sale items on the
list.  I feel that the problem is when a busness post things on the
list.  i.e. the local landy car dealer starts listing his landys on the
list.  But for someone to just list extras that they or a friend has, I
feel that this is a help to us.  I am about to start stripping my 61 IIA
88 down to replace the frame and what ever else I find wrong with it,
and would be very happy to find a good deal from someone who has extra
parts laing around they want to get rid of.  It seems to me like this is
a service to the list.  
Just my feelings, what does everyone else think.

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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 20:45:47 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: Air Filter

 >I'm hoping either Jim or another kind soul can answer a couple of basic
>questions about K&N air filter.  I've been thinking about doing this
>conversion for a long time - mostly to make room for a second battery.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>Solex carb?  If it does apply to the Zenith where exactly does it go and
>what is it's purpose.

Jeff,

        Engines need to breathe - specifically the crankcases need to
breathe. 2.25L engines with PCV systems draw clean air in though a hose
that attaches to the air cleaner elbow from the breather filter on the top
of the valve cover. When you eliminate the old air filter assy, you either
need to attach the hose to the air cleaner itself, install a remote
breather filter or let it suck dirty air until the engine croaks. Either of
the two methods of filtering the air is possible but the remote method is a
bit more user friendly.

Jim Allen

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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 20:47:23 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: Air Filter

><<The loss of power is felt at the top of the rpm range
>- and I mean the TOP! As you know, the Camel drivers wring every pony and
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>usage.
>pat

Hear, hear!!

Just for the record, we Americans have the among the best record for
bringing back intact vehicles from Camel.

Jim Allen

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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 21:12:53 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: Advertising on the digest

OK, OK, Here are the Vehicles For Sale

These rigs are from a gent named Lea Magee - a name some of you will
recognize as a former Camel Trophy competitor (Siberia, 1990) but also as
one of the  driving instructors at LRNA with whom I have been priviledged
to work. I call him "The Mother Teresa of Land Rovers" because he has to
rescue every derelict he finds. Here's the list he gave me (with spelling
corrected).

Jim Allen

1967 109 SW, Chevy Six conversion. Body & frame in very good condition.
Seats rough. $6500.

1964 SW body, in good condition. $2500

1966 109 PU chassis. No rust. $550.

1971 109 SW, Euro Six Cylinder. Rough condition. $1550.

Jackman wheels, 4, white spoke 11x15 w/ desert dog tires in fair shape. $300.

109 Regular bed with full length roof and back door on damaged (front end)
chassis with axles. $550.

88 bed, very good. $550.

Stripped 88 SW. Body very good, w/tropical roof. Less bonnet. On chassis w/
axles. $2500.

Kodiak Heaters. $275. ea.

1960 88 Station Wagon. 2-litre diesel w/Koenig crankshaft drive winch. $5500.

Land Rover roof rack w/ rain gutter screw downs. $300.

Lea Magee  (408) 625-2761 Carmel area, California

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 23:30:52 -0500
Subject: Re: cancel all e-mail

Nate once again renders a service by advising those who are lost:
> To cancel the lro mailing list send the following message:
>  In the To: box type   Majordomo@land-rover.team.net
>  In the Subject: box type   unsubscribe
>  and in the Main body of the letter type    unsubscribe jrr007@zim.com

Thanks. One minor point: the userid in the main body is not necessary, and
may cause problems. Also, you can use any subject name you desire. 

Regards,
David Cockey 

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From: MHKINGER@aol.com
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 20:44:52 -0500
Subject: subscribe

subscribe

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From: bb@olivetti.dk (Bent Bohlers)
Subject: RE: Advertising on the digest
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:29:40 +-100

David Rosenbaum[SMTP:rosenbau@u.washington.edu] wrote:
I say, PLEASE post them. Have subject line such as "Land Rovers for Sale"
to let those who DON'T want to know skip over it. 
I agree fully, but extend the subject with country. Then all the 
members living far away from You can easyly skip it.
I do not think that the US members are interested in a disco for 
sale in europe.

Happy Rovering

Bent Boehlers

Herlev, Denmark

e-mail: bb@olivetti.dk
URL: http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/3542

110" STW 12 seats, V8, 1983
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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 09:32:58 +0000
From: Mick Forster <cmtmgf@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Advertising on the digest

Hi all,

Responsible advertising by long standing list members should I think be
encouraged so that list members can benefit from any 'special' offers or
bargains other members may have.
The problems are when someone acts irresponsibly, purely for profit, but
I think that these people would be put in their place loudly and quickly
by members of this list. (A similar system would be useful in politics!)

Is a request a form of advertising?
A request like: does anyone have a IIa or III gearbox for sale for
about  #50.00
I want to strip one down in a leisurely fashion before tackling the one
in my motor.

Mick Forster
 Series III LWB Safari
 Series IIa SWB

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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 01:40:46 -0800
From: "Franklin H. Yap" <FHYap@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Why Land-Rovers in the US?

Hugh Grierson wrote:
> Just a small correction.  Both the current generation short
> wheelbase Toyota Landcruiser and the Nissan Patrol are still in
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> --
> hugh.grierson@trimble.co.nz

I think the original writer was referring to the FJ40.  I believe you are 
referring to the FJ75, which was first made in the mid-1980s.

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