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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:33:52 +0000
Subject: Re: Air Filter

>>(with paper filter) on the IIA petrol engine?  I don't have any
>>emissions
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 17 lines)]
>        but the
>flow-bench don't lie! As clarification, I would not necessarily throw

No - flow bench dont lie. But the fact that a cleaner passes mopre air means it may pass 
more crap too.......In the figs I saw a while ago (test on plant 
equipment postd on this list I think), the paper element 
was best when clean but clogged easily. The oilbath came a close 
second and is easily cleanable; and 
the K&N passed more dirt so that the life of the engines was 
significantly reduced.

I'd change my paper element for an oilbath if LR didnt want 250quid 
for em!!!!!!. Why do you thing expeditions change their papers for 
oilbaths? 

K&Ns are great for performance, but not so good for filtering 
efficiency.

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Date: Thu, 05 Dec 96 07:53:58 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[6]: No more Hi (You say Goodbye, I say Hi-Lo...)

>TEN BUCKS! They're only $6.50 at the local Barnes and Nobel.. 

$7.50 locally, with tax just over 8 dollars...

>Bare breasted women? Eh? Did I miss something?

Yeah, you must've been distracted by the Landy behind 'em...

> someone had *the*
>issue of Playboy with the centerfold posed on the back of an 88 with a
>canvas tilt. Everyone had to have a look, but most of the comments were
>about how the canvas was rigged..

anybody know which issue that was??

I'm trying to locate a "soft top"

Dave B.

Cheers
Mike

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date:  5 Dec 96  8:22:04 EST
Subject: Eastern USA - Anybody going from Washington DC to Boston this

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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Subject: How many oil changes
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 08:26:00 -0500

>From the Electronic Telegraph
                    Rover robot lifts off on mission to survey Mars
                    NASA'S first Mars-bound rover robot blasted off
successfully early yesterday morning on a seven-month,
                    310-million-mile voyage from Cape Canaveral,
Florida, to the Red Planet.
Thats 8qts per 5000 miles, thats 124,000 gallons and  700 engine
rebuilds!!!!

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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 8:38:26 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Need glow[heater] plugs...will travel.

Hey chum, you need to find out why the glow plugs are getting chewed up. 
Could be the resistor is bad, your hot plugs are gone, or some other 
drastic cause. Check it out asap. Standard-issue glow plugs shouldn't 
burn up.
Extremely difficult ? Where are you shopping ? I can't believe you can't 
find Champion glow plugs. Look in the phone book under "Diesel" or try a 
farm supply.If all else fails, try DAP or RN. They'll have 'em to you in 
two days.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date:  5 Dec 96  8:39:34 EST
Subject: Re: How many oil changes

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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 06:08:21 -0800
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Wrecked D90 Hardtop

At  1:15 PM 12/4/96 -0500, ericz@cloud9.net wrote:

>I'm looking for the first 8" or so of an aluminum Defender hardtop (i.e. all
>the
>fittings to fit to a Defender windscreen) in North America.  Tried AAA small
>car
;world with no success.  Does anyone know of any D90 SWs being parted or a
>damaged roof (full hardtop or p/u cab) that may be sitting around?
>Finders fee paid in Guinness :)
;

If anyone knows of a US spec Defender being parted out.  I'm looking for
seat bottoms and backs.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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From: HAMBLYDAVE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 09:15:48 -0500
Subject: Expedition vehicle construction..........

Dear All,

I recently purchased a book called 'Travel Vans' by John Speed as I am in the
process of preparing an expedition vehicle for a trip around the world next
year.  I have found it to be an excellent and well written publication which
has certainly taught me an awful lot about all aspects of motor caravan
construction.

It covers the following topics and more:-  Electrics, Plumbing, Gas;Choosing
and Using a 'Van; Sites and Wild Camping; Driving and Parking; Getting Stuck
and Unstuck;  Draining and Flushing for Winter; Construction Techniques;
 Layouts; Specialist Parts Suppliers; Insulation;  Condensation;  Windows and
Vents; Cookers; Lighting; Roof Fixings; Spotlights; Water Systems and
Filters; Accumulator Tanks; Frost Protection; Water Heaters; 12 Volts
Connections; Selecting a Battery; Battery Charging; Solar Panels; Generators;
Wind Generators; Mains Hook-Ups; RCDs and RCBOs; Inverters; Microwave Ovens;
Cable Sizes; Gas, Cylinders, and Safety; Propane and / or Butane; Heaters;
Refrigerators; Security and Alarms; DogsPetrol and Diesel; Extra Fuel Tanks;
Expedition Vehicles; Radios and TVs; Satellite 'Van Systems; Hi-Fi in the
'Van; Things To Take; Ferries; Borders; Conversion Tables.

I guess the book is somewhat biased toward the UK and Europe as all of the
'useful contacts' are in that neck of the woods. Those living further afield
would still find it very useful.  This is not an advert and I have nothing to
do with the publishers - I just think it's a great book and is a 'must' for
anyone preparing an expedition vehicle,R.V. or motor caravan.

If you are interested, contact John Speed at   geoprisa@andorra.ad       
or Stuart Allsop at      SAllsop559@aol.com

Regards,  Dave.

                                  
    

                                  

                                                                             

                                                                             

                                                                             

                                                                             

                                                                             

                                                                     
                                                                    

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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 08:27:20 -0600 (CST)
From: Ray Harder <ccray@showme.missouri.edu>
Subject: leonard the landrover book...

just a note to you all to advise you on a children's
book called leonard the landrover that was advertised
in the xmas rovers north flyer for a mere $19.

i have a sweet grand-daughter that loves to be read to -- she
is 18 months.  of course, i bought the book.  (got the free
calendar, too)

the book is geared more towards kids (i would say) 4 years
or more (and of course, adult land rover owners).  a picture
on alternate pages and about 100 pretty grown-up words on the
facing ones.  my grand-daughter will not tolerate that
word-to-picture ratio.

this book is like a lot of the parts i order -- it will set
on the shelf for awhile before it gets pressed into service...

Sincerely,

Ray Harder -- 61 siia 88 (LULU)

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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 09:33:38 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Re: Wading plugs

On Tue, 3 Dec 1996, David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu> wrote:

>> Does anyone know where the wading plug ought to be in  a US 110? I see an
>> empty horizontal hole next to the hole in the bottom of the flywheel casting.
>> I suppose mine fell out or was borrowed by a mechanic for some other

These wading plugs are important. LR has made a real mess of supplying them, 
because they vary significantly among recent models. My  95 model year 90 came 
with the earlier tapered version, plus the advice not to try fitting it. 
Cheers
Allan

>> Does anyone know where the wading plug ought to be in  a US 110? I see an
Allan Smith
Caribbean Natural Resources Institute
Vieux Fort
St. Lucia, West Indies.
Tel +(758) 454 6060
Fax +(758) 454 5188

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 05 Dec 96 08:04:27 MST
Subject: ATF in a manual gearbox

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
A. P. Grice writes: If you're a *real* Rover owner, you by 90 wt by the
5 gal. pail.
============
I must be a *real* Rover owner then. After buying at least half a dozen
quart bottles, I started buying by the gallon. Then, after several
gallons, I now buy by the 5 gallon pail. And I've only been a Rover
owner for about 2 years now. But then, I own 3 of them! Went totally
bonkers in buying Rovers... 'till I spent all my money. Now I can't
afford to keep 'em all running! ;-)

Also, since I became a (multiple) Rover owner I bought an air compressor,
a complement of air tools, numerous hand tools, thousands of $ in bits...
(Yes, you're "all" welcome to come on over to work on your Rovers!)

Life is sweet... A running rover, (one out of the three) awesome
girlfriend, great kids... ;-)

(send your non tax exempt contributions to the fix Dave's Rover fund)

Dave Brown - Phoenix Arizona USA 602.820.8052 Pager: 602.275.2508 #6486
offering: Books, tools, knowledge, lodging, coffee, shoulder to cry on...
 #=====#           1971 "88" IIa - "Simba"
 |___|__\___       LIC: LION B8
 | _ |   |_ |}     Just your basic trail beast.
 "(_)""""(_)"
 Other-          1970 "109" IIa        '87 Range Rover (waiting for new engine)
      /          Historic plates        rear Lock-Right  Bilstein shocks
      -Rovers    "Shake-n-bake"         Crane cam        Optima battery
                 aka: Shake-n-break,    OME HD springs   SSB CB radio
           & other terms of endearment  6 Hella lights   Flowmaster muffler

Habit is the best of servants,       #=======#         _____l___
or the worst of masters.             |__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___
- Nathaniel Emmens                   | _|  |   |_ |}  \__ - ____ _ _|}
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From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: ATF in a manual gearbox
X-Mailer: <PC Eudora Version 1.4b22>

Garrick writes:

>...that ATF goes in my manual 5-speed gearbox.  I'm just having a difficult
>time getting myseldf to do this.

Me, too.  The shop manaul clearly states ATF (specifically Dextron II - but
that isn't available anymore, replaced by Dextron III), but the owner's
manual says 90 wt.  Do what I did (or will do).  Buy both.  (Besides, if
you're a *real* Rover owner, you by 90 wt by the 5 gal. pail.)  If 90 wt
comes out, you can use the ATF for the power steering.  If it's ATF, the 90
wt will go into the diffs and swivels.  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
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      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
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      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: "Thicky" Question (or am I paranoid?)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 96 15:12:55 GMT

> Richard's doing some maintenance on the diff and engine:

And checking those belts, and the 24v-12v converter has arrived (radio!)

Thanks (and to Bent Bohlers too). You've both put my mind to rest. It did
seem odd.

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR - soon to lose some drips, and gain a radio?)

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Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 09:16:41 -0600
From: Joel Guerra <guerra@mail.teamcmi.com>
Subject: Re: Range Rover- sorry

starr_eric/furman@furman.edu wrote:
> I am sorry for posting JPEGS.  I had no idea it caused problems for many of you.

----snip-------

from jim allen previous e-mail

        Having worked as a LR tech during those years (and later) I have
some perspective on the rigs from that era. These are my opinions and
they
may be controversial, but having worked on 10 RRs a day during those
times,
I'm entitled. This hits some of the high spots but not every detail.

1987-88: Nice and simple compared to the new ones. Interior gets ratty
quickly and isn't very sylish. Stereo system sucks. Low on power but
there
are some helpful tuning tips. Camshafts on 3.5L engines tend to go flat.
Exhaust system very restrictive (3 cats & small header pipes the main
cause). Heater and AC very inefficient compared to later rigs. LT-230
t-case tends to be noisey but is better in the dirt. Will need to learn
manual center diff-lock procedures. Poor fuel economy in general. Fuel
tank
rots out (there is a recall). '87s had some auto trans problems but they
should all have failed by now. Auto trans shifts harder than '89 & later
version due to A-clutch differences.

1989: Good year overall. 3.9L engine a big improvement in
power.Borg-Warner
t-case is very user friendly but make sure the viscous coupling is
operational before you get stuck somewhere.Cam improved and not prone to
trouble. Exhaust system radically improved resitrictionwise but rear
mufflers tend to die quickly. Interior much nicer. Slightly better
stereo
but shorts in stereo wiring common in County editions. Heater and AC
systems improved about 40%. Heater cores tend to leak. New version of
EFI
has a few weird (but livable) quirks. A few of the early Borg Warner
t-cases had catastrophic failures.Some power steering pumps leaked. Mid
year, eliminated the exposed door hinges. Later '89s are better.'89 is a
vintage year because LR hadn't crossed the huge technological bridge
yet.
Many fewer problems overall with '89s as compared to '87-88.

1990: A nightmare year. Many technological breakthroughs and many, many
bugs.Heater & AC improved again. Front axle (swivels) problems. Another
new
EFI system with many more troubles. Several PROM upgrades. ABS glitches
and
problems with the ABS hydraulics that continued into 1991. Weird
electrical
problems (connections and bad soldering). Engine noises due to incorrect
piston to cylinder clearances (about mid year). Wheel bearing adjustment
problems and stub axle seal problems (seal was installed backwards).
Lots
of leaking radiators & water pumps. Power steering box leaks and also at
pump (new version of the pump came out early '91 - no more leaks - box
continued to leak - was the same as '87-89 but they didn't leak???).
There
were so many service campaigns in 1990 that my literature pile on that
year
is twice as big as any others. Most 1990s should have had all the major
stuff corrected by now but I wouldn't buy one. Aversion therapy, if you
know what I mean.

1991: Better year, especially later vehicles. The 1991 Great Divide
Edition
(actually a dolled up 90) was a nice rig. Still the leaking power
steering
boxes. EFI and ABS brakes improved, many fewer problems. Front axle
improved, though the swivels tended to leak. New sway bars nice on
highway.
1991 Hunter edition was nice and simple. Lacked the ABS and power seats,
plus the whiz bang stereo but was lighter and more nimble. A Hunter
would
be my personal choice from this era. They didn't sell well. Still had
piston noise trouble. Stereos so-so but better.

1992: Better yet. Most of the bugs worked out with no other high tech
breakthroughs sincve 1992. The shocks tended to leak. Piston noise
problems
fewer but still there. New stereo mounting eliminated many electrical
problems. Stereo systems decent.

        My advice is that if money is a problem, by a good '89. They're
relatively cheap right now. If you want a hard-core off-roader, buy an
'87-88. They're better suited due to LT-230 and simplicity. I'd avoid a
'90
but consider a late '91 or a '91 Hunter. The GDE is problematic - it's a
nice rig but still in that bad era. A '92 is a good 'um but higher in
price.
        The build date is on the door on a tag. For these years, buy the
later build rigs if possible.

Good luck!

Jim Allen

Forwarded by Joel Guerra

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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 08:26:26 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: Air Filter

 >
>Real question then is what is the filtering efficiency of the old oil-bath?
>I figure if they were good enough for tractors they should keep dust out of
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>2) how much dust can a paper filter take before being clogged
>3) anyone have much experience on whether a raised intake with clyclotrone etc

        According to K&N, in whose test facility I spent a great deal of
time, a typical oil bath filter is about 95% efficent at filtering out dirt
(an average of types they have tested - we didn't test the Rover unit this
way). Paper (and there are many different qualities of paper) filters are
96-98% efficient. Their oiled cotton gauze filters (and other makes of a
similar design) are 99%.
        As far as the particulates go, all these filters are good enough,
including the Rover oil bath, at filtering out the harmful chunks. My
concern is the restriction of airflow and it's effect on power. The cotton
gauze filters fill flow more air with a 1/4" of dirt on the outside (the
pleated filter is designed to use the dirt as additional filtering media)
that a new paper filter of the same size. I saw this demonstrated in
person. I'm convinced!
        One fact the oil bath afficianados will find interesting is that
the airflow of the Rover filter changed according to how much oil was in
it. Needless to say, I transported the thing drained. When we went to hook
it up, I forgot and we tested it. It flowed somewhere around 230cfm. When I
remembered it had no oil, we filled it and it flowed about 180cfm. If you
look inside the filter housing you can see why. More oil restricts the area
the that the air has to pass through.
        We all know that the oil is a vital element in the filtering
process.  Wouldn't it be interesting to find the minimum oil level that
still allowed good filtering but that allowed increased airflow?
        With regards to a raised air intake, my experience with the Camel
Trophy TDIs is that airflow is severly reduced (and performance restricted)
by the snorkals. It's a tradeoff for these guys who need the fording
capacity more than a few extra hp at the upper rpm range. Food for thought.
        Another tidbit to consider. Most Land Rover "hot-rodders" who swap
to a free-flow filter use an open element. A covered or ducted air filter
(you know, with some sort of a hood) is less prone to sucking up dirt or
being killed by water. The cotton gauze filter tends to atomize the water
splashed on it (not a solid flow!) and give you a carbon cleaning. Paper
filters cease to flow air when they get wet. If you swap to a paper  or
cotton filter, find some way to cover it for best results.

Jim Allen

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From: Harincar@mooregs.com (Tim Harincar-MS)
Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 09:30:46 -0600
Subject: looking for old, old digests

Hey old timers,

Anybody kept lro digests or other lro mailing list archives from the '92   
to late '94 period?

I'm really interested in the history of my truck. I bought it through an   
ad placed in one of the newsgroups by the PO's son, who also gave me the   
pointer to this list and the FAQ. It is possible, then, that the son was   
at least subscribed and maybe a participant in the group. It is also   
possible that he just did a search, found the FAQ, and that was it (but   
that was in the days before RoverWeb and just doing a search of the 'net   
was not quite as simple as Alta Vista...). So its kind of a shot in the   
dark.

It mostly for amusement, really. Since replacing the frame & bulkhead,   
I've pretty much undone everything that he had done to it, correcting and   
improving it. I don't really expect to get a lot of new insight.

Let me know. Or, if you want some names to search for (if thats easier),   
email me and I'll give you the POs name and his son's name.

Thanks

Tim
 ---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW  

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Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 15:37:28 +0000
From: Olafur Agust Axelsson <olafura@rhi.hi.is>
Subject: Water temperature

Hi
The water temp gauge in my S2a petrol only reads  65=B0 Celsius maximum!!=
 -
isnt that too little temp. ??  It read higher this summer - but now when =
its
getting colder (-10=B0 C) it seems to drop!!

Any suggestions?? - Thanx

Oli Agust  (olafura@rhi.hi.is)       S2a  =B466

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Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 18:09:54 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: Air Filter

Andy Woodward wrote:
> >>Anyone have any experience with using a 4 inch bolt-on air cleaner
> >>(with paper filter) on the IIA petrol engine?  I don't have any
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 22 lines)]
> K&Ns are great for performance, but not so good for filtering
> efficiency.

IMHO the best air cleaner on the market is made by a Brit outfit called
Piper Cross (Piper X). It's a layered foam filter made specifically for
rally conditions, re-usable, easily cleaned with dish-washing liquid and
warm water, extremely effective, etc, etc. They bolt directly onto the
air hose manifold on the carb by means of a large hose clamp and save
you enough engine compartment room to house a 100Ah battery!

Interestingly when you idle the engine with the bonnet open you can hear
the engine sucking like an Electrolux.

BTW, if you really want an oilbath air filter I've got a couple that
I've stripped off Landys I've built. Problem is they're in SA. Pay for
P&P and I'll let you have one.

Regards

Paul Oxley
http://www.adventures.co.za

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Date: Thu, 05 Dec 96 12:02:24 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Need a bath?

Ladies and Gentlemen

Im curious what people think is a good price for a secondhand oilbath filter.

Dave B.

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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 09:33:34 -0800
From: "Paul Gussack" <pcg@tennis.org>
Subject: speedometer

I have a series IIa who's speedometer at higher speeds is very inaccurate. 
This seems to be exponential, i.e.: the faster I go the more inaccurate it is. 
My wife was following me and said that on the highway I was doing 65mph to
70mph. The speedometer was registering around 45mph to 50mph. It does seem to
be accurate at lower speeds 25mph to 40mph.

Any ideas
thanks
Paul G

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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:17:59 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: speedometer

Wow! Does anyone ELSE have this problem? 
Fortunately, the odometer is accurate whereas the speedometer varies 
wildly. Why?
The odo is gear driven and the speedo is driven by boundary layer 
aerodynamics, the bernoulli effect, magnetic interference, and good 
intentions.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 13:24:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: "DAN PRASADARAO, AIR-7.4.1, SECURITY (703)604-2590 X6318"
Subject: OIL Filters

From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Filters

Dan Prasadarao writes about filter numbers.
All of those posted are for the original cannister-type (OEM) filter that is 
guaranteed to fill your armpit up with hot oil each time.  The Fram PH8A is for
the "Richardson" spin-on filter adapter (and others based on this 
original design from '74) for cartridge types.  For this unit, other numbers
are: AC PF2, Purolator PER-1, Mrtorcraft FL293.  Cheers
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - --  - - - 

Thanks for clearing that up. 
The good news is no armpits filling up with hot oil.  The bad news is I still
have excessive valve train noise.

Dan (trying to avoid engine teardown) Rao

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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:35:41 -0500
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@InterLinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: Need a bath?

At 12:02 96-12-05 EST, you wrote:

-Ladies and Gentlemen
-
-Im curious what people think is a good price for a secondhand oilbath filter.
-
-Dave B.

10$ Cdn. Why so cheap? They are easily available since it is one of the rare
Land Rover steel parts that never rust...

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:37:11 -0500
Subject: Re: speedometer

I don't know about the guys with the fancy SIII, but in my SIIa I wouldn't
dare try to look over at the speedometer when I get over 50 mph (or whatever
that translates into).  I have to have a passenger along to see what the
speedo is doing at THOSE kind of speeds.

Nate

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:40:53 -0500
Subject: Re: OIL Filters

In a message dated 96-12-05 13:37:48 EST, you write:

<< Dan Prasadarao writes about filter numbers.
 All of those posted are for the original cannister-type (OEM) filter that is

 guaranteed to fill your armpit up with hot oil each time. >>

Hey, you act like it's a bad thing.  In the winter I think of it as a
creature comfort with the benefit of giving me softer, healthier looking
skin.

Nate

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Date: Wed, 04 Dec 1996 22:45:03 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Need a bath?

At 12:02 PM 12/5/96 EST, David R Bobeck <dbobeck@ushmm.org> wrote:
>Ladies and Gentlemen
>Im curious what people think is a good price for a secondhand oilbath filter.

 Depends in what part of the country/continent/world you're in, what the
 model of the vehicle is, and if the oilbath filter is empty or full of 90W.

 Cheers,

                       ______
 Michael Carradine     [__[__\==                    Rupert 72-88, ?? 89-RR
 510-988-0900          [________]            Land-Rover Rough+Plushmobiles
 cs@crl.com _________.._(o)__.(o)____...o^^^    www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date:  5 Dec 96 14:00:44 EST
Subject: Need a bath?

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Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 14:30:00 +0000
From: Ian Harper/Donna-Claire McLeod <tantramar@golden.net>
Subject: Series 1 Club

A long while ago, up here in Southern Ontario, there was a beast known
as the Series One Club, run by Dave Davey.    Don Watson and I had an
idea about reviving the old darling,  and Dave suggested that we put our
names on the LR Web site and see if there is any interest.   

So, here it is...........

If you are interested in jump starting this again, drop  Don  
<watson@wcl.on.ca> or myself a note, and we'll keep in touch if anything
develops.

While you're at it, an idea of what form you would like it to take would
also be appreciated.    Include the info on your vehicles as well. (not
necessary, but gives us an idea of what's out there)

Cheers, Ian Harper

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Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 14:47:19 -0800
From: Heather Dixon <hldixon@top.monad.net>
Subject: You were spotted!

Blue 88 SW with tinted windows and Mass plates spotted just north of 
Keene, New Hamshire shortly after 7 am Dec 5.

Are you on the list?

Heather

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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:51:29 -0600 (CST)
From: HANSONPA@mail.milwaukee.k12.wi.us (Paul Hanson)
Subject: Need Glow plugs to travel.

Two of my glow [heater] plugs are broken and I'm not sure where to purchase
replacements.  CH 45 is what is stamped on the plug but the automotive
stores do not have them.  Where do the diesel owners get theirs?  Why
should they break so easily?
Any help will be appreciated.
        Peace,
        Paul Hanson

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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:02:13 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: ATF in a manual gearbox

For Those that Use ATF in Manual Gearboxes.

        ATF in manual transmissions has been a bit of a sticky wicket
because ATF doesn't have the shear strength it ought to have in a manual
gearbox. In fact, it just barely has enough. Same goes for gearboxes that
use motor oil, which has even less shear strength than ATF.
        BG, of Wichita, Kansas makes a product called Syncro-Shift that is
an alternative to using ATF or motor oil. Among many other benifits, it has
equivalent shear strength to 90wt and a very high resistance to heat and
corrosion. I used to put it in in Borg-Warner transfer cases also because
they would blacken their ATF in 30K miles from very high heat (that's why
they have a transfer case overheat lite, I think from 1990-on).
        BG can be found in certain automotive stores. I can't find the BG
main number in my files but I'll let you guys call information at Wichita
to get it if you are interested. They make a variety of other goodies, some
owhich I have done objective tests on a few years ago.

Jim Allen

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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 15:21:32 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Need Glow plugs to travel.

Is there an echo in here ?

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: "Doug Adam" <dadam@willinet.net>
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 14:30:04 -0600

Can anyone give me the overall length of a '85 110.

Thanks

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Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 01:39:32 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: OAL of 110 

At 02:30 PM 12/5/96, Doug Adam <dadam@willinet.net> wrote:
>Can anyone give me the overall length of a '85 110.

 No, it won't fit down your chimney!

 If a 109 measures 175" total, I guess a 110 would be 176" or thereabouts,
 plus any projections such as Roo bars, NATO cans, flare launchers and the
 like.

 Kind regards,

                       ______
 Michael Carradine     [__[__\==                    Rupert 72-88, ?? 89-RR
 510-988-0900          [________]            Land-Rover Rough+Plushmobiles
 cs@crl.com _________.._(o)__.(o)____...o^^^    www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:47:24 -0800 (PST)
From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re:ATF in a manual gearbox - what about synthetics?

On Thu, 5 Dec 1996, Jim Allen wrote:
> For Those that Use ATF in Manual Gearboxes.
>         ATF in manual transmissions has been a bit of a sticky wicket
> because ATF doesn't have the shear strength it ought to have in a manual
> gearbox. 

Dear Jim (+/or others):

Do you know if the shear strength of synthetic ATF would be better?
(I have no idea how shear stength relates to other properties such as
viscosity, nor how one measures it).

Thanks and best wishes,
David Rosenbaum
'94 NAS D90 

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From: rmodica@east.pima.edu
Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 14:58:59 MST
Subject: Series I newsletter

Tom,

Great idea!!  The only Series I club I know about is out of England and it is 
very expensive to get their newsletter.  There was a Series I club in Canada, 
but I never heard from them after sending a check.  The check was never cashed.

Some kind of collection of Series I owners on this side of the pond would be 
very welcome indeed. Count me in.

Rob Modica, Tucson AZ 
Arizona Land Rover Owners  
rmodica@east.pima.edu
'51 SI 80" hardtop #16136629 "La Rana"
'60 SII 109" SW Safari #16400620 "The Tortuga"
'94 Disco 5spd 

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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 17:05:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Series I newsletter

On Thu, 5 Dec 1996 rmodica@east.pima.edu wrote:

> Great idea!!  The only Series I club I know about is out of England and it is 
> very expensive to get their newsletter.  There was a Series I club in Canada, 
> but I never heard from them after sending a check.  The check was never 
> cashed.

	The Canadian Series I Club is dead.  Been that way for several years
	now.  (Granted, it also depends on how you want to define a club...
	local clubs are loose associations for the most part.  The more formal
	variety has a regular newsletter, and it is through that dropping
	through the mail slot that you judge alive and dead, or in poor
	health...)

	Rgds,

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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 22:36:31 GMT
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Groan

Oh, and does anyone have an idiots guide to tightening belts? Mine groan at
my inability to perform this simple act.

Richard paranoid but with a Gurkha SIII 109 FFR

------------------------------

 are you sure it is the belts and not the oil cooler.that is groaning,  the
ffr's were fitted with oil coolers as standard and the relief valves are
notorious for groaning at certain pressures or when the oil level falls a bit.

 regards  Bill Leacock  limey in exile

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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 22:44:02 GMT
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>

ate: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 14:17:09 -0500
Subject: Re: Oil Pressure and Water Temp Gauges

This temp gauge wire , is it a strange looking thing with a center "wire"
wrapped with a reinforcing material?
If so then all is clear, not cheap, but clear
Rgds Quintin Aspin

 It is not a wire, it is a very small cappilliary tube which should be
filled with alcohol, the wire wrapped around it is merely protection. These
are very fragile, the alcohol seeps out through any cracks and the gauge is
then useless.

 Regards Bill Leacock  Limey in exile

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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 22:56:26 GMT
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Heater plugs

Subject: Need glow[heater] plugs...will travel.

I am in need of information regarding the availability of glow plugs for 
my 2.25 lt.diesel.  For some reason they appear to break down easily and 
are extremely difficult to get here in GOOD OL MILWAUKEE.  Champion 
"CH45 or AG45 appear to be the correct numbers on the plugs.  If you 
know where I can get some replacements please let me know. 
	Peace, 
	Paul Hanson

 Take a tip from a 25 year diesel veteran, when you change glow plugs,
change the set, do not mix old and new ones in the same set up. Keep the
servicable old ones, then in a few years when your new ones start to fail
use the old ones to keep going.
 If you are unable to find some replacements i think I have a set of unused
ones in my parts stock.  ( Western New york ) Can't call them new anymore
since  I have been diesel less for over 2 years since I left England.

 Regards  Bill Leacock  Limey in exile

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From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Land-Rover: Wanted to purchase
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 23:57:37 +0000

John G. Adamson wants to purchase sIIa 88.

John there is a sIII 88 in the paper today, as reads"72 series III 88
rebuilt original motor, new tires $4500. 588-2248" this appeared in The
Virginian Pilot newspaper on 120596. It' not a sIIa but its a Landy.
All the usual disclaimers apply, I do not believe that I know the seller. I
haven't called the number and its not familier.

Keep On (Land-Rover) Truckin'
Jim Wolf sIIa 109 sw Vicky
Portsmouth, VA. USA

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Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 19:04:21 -0800
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Camel Trophy VHS

Does anyone have a source for last years Camel Trophy VHS and this years 
as well.  I have all up to 1994 and would like to keep the library up to 
date.  I received a very nice present in the mail from Land Rover Canada 
yesterday.  Mr. Manasey (sp?) sent me their advertising VHS for the Range 
Rover and Disco.  It is about 45 minutes long and quite interesting.  It 
has some Camel Trophy on it but mostly sales info and prices in Canada.  
For those asking about rad muffs, I wouldn't be without them here in 
Manitoba.  When it gets to -40 or so, the rad needs to be covered or you 
get no heat.  It also stops drafts entering the engine bay and this helps 
a bit to keep the interior warm.  I still suggest people try my GMC rear 
heater from a Rally STX van.  They really make a difference.  I have been 
leaving mine outside lately not plugged in and it starts fine.  IT is a 
bit stiff however because I use very heavy gear oil in transmission and 
diffs.  I think it is 90-140!  We have been using our winch and chains 
regularly this winter.  We tied for the coldest November on record and 
have something like 4X the regular snow we should have.  For those who 
need diesel parts, I have lots.  I have a good pump off a running diesel 
I parted out some years ago.  It is yours for $100 U.S. and shipping.  I 
have the block, pistons etc, but I used the crank in my gaser and the 
front waterpump and chain house as well as the longer oil fill tube.  
Otherwise I have the heads etc.  I would prefer to trade stuff I need 
rather than sell it but I am open to both.  I live in central Canada, and 
the post office is the cheap way to send to the U.S.  I would trade 
everything for an OD :-)  P.S. if anyone can help our East Coast Rover 
Hound move his vehicle east, I can help get it loaded but my checking 
into the prices of various ways to move it indicate that unless you have 
a vehicle that is worth quite a bit, it isn't worth shipping it.  How 
does abut $900 sound for a flatcar trip to the Maritimes sound!  That 
would be over 10% of most Ser III vehicles in great shape.  Dave VE4PN

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From: Rod Steele <rsteele@intellinet.com>
Subject: LR photfile home!
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 20:15:53 -0500

We have a home, and the photos are starting to come in.

We have unlimited space on the web, on our own page.  However I am not =
going to publish the photos until I can get a decent amount together, it =
would be expensive, and a premature start would disappoint you all.

PHOTOS please. E & snail mail.

<rsteele@intellinet.com>
or
R Steele, 34 Luster Drive, Batesville, AR, USA, 72501

Thanks
Regards Rod Steele

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Date: Thu, 05 Dec 96 21:29:23 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: test;ignore me

testing

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Date: Thu, 05 Dec 96 21:33:00 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: lost package from triple C

pat dobiecki, are you on this list?
anybody know this person?
Dave B.

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 22:48:28 -0500
Subject: Re: Series I newsletter

Roy's assessment:
> Great idea!!  The only Series I club I know about is out of England and it
is 
>  very expensive to get their newsletter.

Expensive depends on your reference frame. US membership which gets you the
bi-monthly newletter is L17.00 or a little under $30 a year. Expensive for
light reading, cheap compared to LRO or LRW, and a good value if you
want/need info on SIs, parts sources, etc. The only ads I've seen for some of
the better suppliers of SI parts appear in the newsletter. The articles are
also quite interesting. 

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