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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Split Charging
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 96 07:51:00 DST

John Liu wrote of using a relay connecting the two battery positives 
together, closed by the ignition switch.
Instead use the alternator charging light to energise the relay. On our VW 
camper this is the factory set up. The charge light output from the 
regulator is low until the system is charging. This prevents trying to take 
starting currents of 100+ amps through the relay contacts that are designed 
to carry probably no more than 20. If you want the second battery to help 
starting fit a second starter solenoid and a selector switch to choose 1,2 
or both solenoids for starting.

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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 08:15:35 -0400
From: Rob MacCormick <Rob_MacCormick@Harvard.Edu>
Subject: headlight guards in MA

Wire mesh headlight guards cover our ser. IIa......The vehicle passed
inspection in Massachusetts.....Actually the inspectors (there were about 4,
they came out of the woodwork) were more concerned about which side to put
the inspection sticker on 'cause its a RHD.....Rob M Concord, MA USA

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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 08:44:40 -0400
From: m8f@ornl.gov (M Scott Fugate)
Subject: Re:Door Insulation

Greg Spitz wrote: "has anybody insulated a D90 door with that expanding
insulation foam stuff and do you have to take the door panels off and
protect wiring in door with plastic before shooting the stuff in a hole??"

Don't know how the D90 doors are made, exactly, but when I re-did the door
trim in my IIa, I filled the void with a piece of styrofoam (closed cell
polystyrene)insulation from a building supply place. Cut it exactly to fit
with my pocket knife. I'm not sure how much it helps, because the old boy is
still pretty drafty (or is it draughty?).  The stuff is really cheap.  I
seem to remember 4 or 5 bucks for a 4' x 8' piece.  It does take the tinny
edge off of the door slam noise.

Scott Fugate
1970 IIa 88
1989 RR

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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 96 08:58:02 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[4]: 

Richard breaks the news:

>type...are there any differences btween IIA and III?
>Dave

>Yes! IIA does not have syncromesh on 1st/2nd.

Wow, like I didn't know that...:-)
I meant the transfer box...thanks anyway:-)
Dave

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@bestinforsg.com>
Subject: Land Rover related - sort of
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 96 09:00:00 PDT

I'm trying to unsubscribe myself from the list and the major won't let   
me.  My network admin changed my address from   
dboehme@rad1.pcmail.ingr.com to dboehme@bestinforsg.com and because my   
return address (the new one) doesn't match my original address (the old   
one) it refuses to unsubscribe me.  For now, I'm receiving double posts,   
but shortly, the list is going to start getting those annoying "address   
not found" messages.

HEEEELLLLLLLPPPP!

Thanks,
Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

P.S. I'm actually just trying to get rid of my old address from the list   
so the "address not found" messages don't show.

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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 21:25:50 +0800
From: Manny Garcia <mann@epic.net>
Subject: Help : Rover (car)

Hello everyone,

I apologize for this non LR entry, but I am hoping that somebody in the list
can help me.
A friend is restoring a Rover 80 car - I'm not sure about the year model (I
think its + or - 1970).  
We had one source from UK, but was not able to supply all items (some
obsolete items - like badges, hinges, rubber seals, etc.).
Anybody out there that can help, I would appreciate it very much.
UK or US supplier preferred.  Kindly inform me complete address, telephone
and fax.

many thanks,

Mann
Mann@epic.net

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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 21:40:05 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Whitworth, etc.

Dear all, anybody who wants to know even more about different threads might 
take a look at

http://www.team.net/sol/tech/whitworth-hist.html

And we thought our cars were awkward!
Have fun
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)

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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 21:26:58 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Old Sodbury Sortout

Next one is Oct. 26, 1996. There is also a classic car show in Manchester on 
Oct. 26 and 27, with a few Series One's around.
Good luck and have fun
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 09:52:30 -0400
Subject: "88 for sale in Tucson

<< I have talked with Rob Modica (via E-mail) and Greg by phone about
the IIa 88 that Greg has up for sale that you mentioned.  Can you tell mee
what you thought of Greg's 88?  I'm looking for a Series but around here
they all have rusty frames.  Any first hand information would be
appreciated.  I'm supposed to call him tonight.>>

The frame is in good shape from what I saw.  Rob's more of an expert that me.
 The outriggers showed some additional bracing but we couldn't figure out why
it was done.  There are stress cracks on the sides under the windows.  The
rear door isn't exactly aligned but it's close.  The interior is bare but
very clean.  The motor smoked a bit upon starting.  There's no ignition
key... just a switch.  The motor is clean on the outside.  Fair amount of oil
underneath.  Didn't drive it.. Greg wasn't home but we did start it.  2 of
the lights on front fenders were replaced by reflectors to cover the holes.
 The rear bumper is one of those diamond plate deals.  It has a roll bar
attached to body work inside.  That's about it off the top of my head.  All
in all, it's not too bad but then again, what do I know?   :-)

BTW Where you at the Crested Butte event?  Meet some folks from your club but
can't remember if we were introduced or not.

Gerry
PHX  AZ

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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 09:58:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Honour, Politness & Rovers ..

On Thu, 10 Oct 1996 daviscar@concentric.net wrote:

> Parts avalibility from one of these Rare LRs. The Responce was I have one
> and some other parts too but they should only go to people with real ***
> LRS. Now some of you are going What the H*ll is he going on about?

	People with *real* Land-Rovers... Hmmmm...  Is it time for some more
	leaf/coil discussions... :-)  Define *real*...  Person making the
	claim sounds like a serious snob.  Mummy, give him some kippers
	for breakfast...

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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 14:30:18 +0100
From: whastelow@atlas.co.uk (Simon Ward-Hastelow)
Subject: Re: Old Sodbury Sortout

>Does anyone know the date of the next "Old Sodbury Sortout" ?
>I think I will make it coincide with my next return to the UK !

You'll have to be quick it's on Saturday 26th October (2 weeks away), Usual
place

___________________________________________________________________

Simon Ward-Hastelow
Orpington, Kent, U.K.

___________________________________________________________________

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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 12:40:17 -0400
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: Re: Honour, Politness & Rovers ..

>Hi All
>This topic is due to some recent private & list posts. There is someone on
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
>LRS. Now some of you are going What the H*ll is he going on about?
>The point is like someone else pointed out, this list is to try and keep as
>many LRs on the road as possible. IMHO

        Now this is a bit out of hand. My statement to you was that if
Dormobile parts become avail. I try and sell or get them sold to those
struggleing to put a real Dormobile made by Martin Walters back into shape.
Then if that doesn't work, the parts can get used for whatever anyone sees
fit. I think it is a good policy, and as the contact for the Dormobile
owners club, a healthy one. If Dormibile owners don't need the stuff... on
with the 3 door projects, yard planters, whatever, and have a great time
with them. You attitude is not appreciated, and the comments in your email
directly to me, about my lack of support for your project and me making as
much sence as the DOT and I should rethink my position in the Dormobile
owners club are out of line. I simply said, I don't know where you can get
the parts, as I keep my stuff for the needy real Dormobile owners, at least
for a while.

>X should have told this poster he prefured the parts he has to be sold to
>Org. LRs and he did or didn't know where to get  copies of the part. So lets
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>have the same vise. (home now.)
>Daviscar@concentric.net

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 20:19:49 -0700
From: Luc Rokegem <defender@belgonet.be>
Subject: Re: Old Sodbury Sortout

Paul Wakefield - System Manager (SERCO) X492 wrote:
> Hello All,
> Does anyone know the date of the next "Old Sodbury Sortout" ?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> I think I will make it coincide with my next return to the UK !
> Thanks. Paul.

Old Sodbury's starts on Saturday October 26th at 11 am.
stalls from 10 am.  Signposted from junction 18 on M4.
Free admission for overseas buyers.
See also LRO june '96 pages 52 & 53
regards,

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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 09:29:10 -0400
From: jim@kidd.com (jnk)
Subject: chipped front pully?

hello all,

my poor 1960 SII 88"... well, last weekend while replacing a front leaf
spring pin i noticed something else wrong (wouldn't you know it). the front
pulley on the block is chipped 2/3 the way around. it hasn't thrown a belt
yet, but this has me worried. i just rebuilt the engine and put it in 4
months ago. the pulley was fine then. does anyone have any suggestions as
to how this could have happened? my shocks are weak, could the front axle
have hit the pulley on a hard bounce? i thought about this, but the axle
doesn't look like it could travel that far backwards. i live in florida and
we don't have any rocks around here, so it couldn't have been that. i would
think that you could hear something like that coming apart. what do you
guys think?

jim karantinos
tallahassee, fl

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From: RALPH@SMUGGITS.MHS.CompuServe.COM
Date: 11 Oct 96 09:22:38 EDT
Subject: Re: Good News...Bad News

If anyone is interested the camping mat stuff is called expanded 
polyethelene (took me ages to find that out) and LD45 is a good density 
to use IMO. It's what I used to insulate my 101 camper, it even comes as 
a fire resistant version, if these things worry you.

Regards,

Ralph

101 FC 

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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 07:17:16 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Honour, Politness & Rovers ..

At 11:00 PM 10/10/96 -0400, daviscar@concentric.net wrote:

>This topic is due to some recent private & list posts. There is someone on
>this list who I will not name but Lets call them X . Now X is very
;knowledgeable about a form of rare Rover. This form of Rover is one that is
>often imitated. Like most things good not enough of them where made and some
;have been parted out to make others whole. When X got a post asking about a
>Parts avalibility from one of these Rare LRs. The Responce was I have one
;and some other parts too but they should only go to people with real ***
>LRS. Now some of you are going What the H*ll is he going on about?
;The point is like someone else pointed out, this list is to try and keep as
>many LRs on the road as possible. IMHO
>X should have told this poster he prefured the parts he has to be sold to
;Org. LRs and he did or didn't know where to get  copies of the part. So lets
>all try and be more polite to those we reply or post to. Remember WE ALL
;have the same vise.
;
Bruce I have had the exact same experience as you did from Whom I think Mr X is

HOWEVER  The parts belong to him and he can keep, use or sell them at his
own whim to whomever he so desires.  I understand that it is frustrating to
be in a position where you need a hard to find part but a person who has a
spare will not sell it to you because you have the wrong sort of Land
Rover.  But that is his parogative and no one ever said life was fair.  So
just ignore Mr X and his company and get on with your own life.  You will
never come off looking good if you persue this in public.

I Have had similar if not the same problems with the same part set that you
are dealing with.  I will be happy to talk you through to alternatives off
line.

Calm down, & take care

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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From: "David Olley at New Concept" <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Overland trip - SA
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 16:09:10 +0100

If your friend needs some info he could telephone Doug Gifford at
Safari Centre in Johannesburg, South Africa (that's in the North).
His telephone number is:
+27-11-465-3817. Or fax him on: +27-11-465-2639.
He may well be able to help with advice on acquiring a suitable
vehicle.

David G. Olley
-----------------------------------------------------
New Concept, PO Box 61, Winchester, SO23 8XR, England
Tel: +44-(0)1962-840769  Fax: +44-(0)1962-867367
Web Site: http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
-----------------------------------------------------

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 09:52:29 -0400
Subject: Yet still another 88" for sale in AZ

Chris writes "If you are still interested I ahve an acquaintance who has a
1963 SWB 88"  Safaritop Land Rover for sale. You can ask Rob Modica more
about it, I have seen it a number of times and would have bought it if I
didn't already have mine."

If this is the one that I think it is, I've seen it too.  Very nice but the
price kept me from purchasing it.  Chris, what's he asking ?

Gerry E.
PHX  AZ

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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 17:26:43 -0700
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Addition to the "family"

At 12:35 PM 10/10/96 -0400, you wrote:
>and a "rough" description of the vehicle:
...
>Warn wench- chain driven

I knew Land Rovers were great Babe Magnets, but I didn't know they *came*
with wenches...  8^)

RE: a name...  Dunno why, but Jed comes to mind after hearing of the PO...
Sorta like Jed Clampett?  Have patience, in time the vehicle will let you
know its name, after it gets to know you and feels it can trust you.

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 96 09:17:17 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: Info on Split-charging system ?

There is a split charge system designed by lR, for the 110, but can be used on 
any vehicle. It invloves a voltage sensitive relay that is in the charging 
circuit. This relay closes only when the charge voltage is in the 13.5-14 volt 
range. The voltage sensitive relay then sends power to a 70 amp relay that 
connects the two batteries, allowing them both to run the vehicle, start the 
vehicle, power the lights, etc,. When you start winching, running 20 zilion 
watss of fog lights, or whatever, if the voltage in the sytem drops below the 
13.5-14 volt level, the voltage sensitive relay opens up and takes the main 
battery out of the circuit, leaving it charged up and ready for action. The 
secondary battery should be a deep cylcle battery becasue it is the one that 
gets drained. This system is suipposedly better than the regular split charger 
units that you buy at Pep Boys or wherever, because you tend to lose some 
voltage through those. A little more expensive though, I think it's about $150 
US for the kit, plus a good deep cycle battery...Call RN for more info. I got 
the wiring diagram but it doesn't do much good without a better 
explanation...part # is ST3403M- Split Charge and Voltage Sensitive Circuit 
Defender 110.
Cheers
Dave B.

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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 18:13:36 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Rally T-shirts

Well, we did it once again...ordered too many T-shirts.  I thought that with 
this *six color* design by Sand Toler, these things would fly off the 
shelves, but we have a few dozen left over.  These are American-made, all 
cotton, ash grey T's, with printing on both sides.  Those of you who have 
seen 'em know what a good job Sand did on the illustration...you'll spend a 
few minutes just *studying* the design - it's that detailed.  Anyway, 
they're $15 apiece and available in all sizes except XXL's.  Add $2 for 
postage and make the cheque out to "ROAV".

And to Rob Davis in Chicago, the sun visor was posted out today.  You should 
have it Monday.  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 11:26:39 -0400
Subject: SIIA/ SIII Gearbox Differences

In addition to the fact that SIIA g'boxes aren't syncro'd on first & second,
there are also differences in the clutch mechanism, slave cyl., bellhousing,
shift lever,etc. These parts can be swapped, but with some work and fiddlin'.
See the Rovers North catalog for a graphic depiction. See also L. Porters
"Guide to Purchase etc. of Series I, II  &III which also discusses this. I am
sure someone on this list has direct experience of using a SIII 'box in a
SIIA or vise-versa. The transfer case gears on the later boxes were helical
to cut down on noise. I think these can be swopped from one housing to
another, but only as complete gear sets. Again, see the Parts Catalog to see
which part # are the same for both. Good Luck. Have Fun. Cheers. Andy.

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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 21:12:49 -0400
Subject: 109 NADA Frames

Mark (robot1@juno.com) writes: Didn't know L*c*s made Personal Computers

Yes, Mark, rumor has it that POD computers were supplied under private label
arrangements to several other companies.  This was due to concern that their
name recognition could adversely effect sales.  You can, however, recognize
them by several characteristics:

1.  Oil spots underneath the computer.
2.  Cloth wrapped insulation on the internal wiring.
3.  Random and intermittent malfunction (probably not software related).
4.  Negative grounding system.
5.  Abundant chassis vents to let out the smoke.
6.  Strange noises while operating and/or just after shut-off; snapping,
    sizzling and crackling sounds which may, or may not, precede smoke.
7.  Removable bit bucket which must be manually emptied by operator.

The rumor was that POD personal computers were widely used by British
Leyland and today can be found at low cost in surplus stores still packed in
cosmoline.  Perhaps some of the UK LROs may be able to shed some light on
this matter.  Please note that I am not affilliated in any way with any of
these firms.

Paul "get home before dark"
1965 109 sparkmobile

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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 20:31:18 -0700
From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: Whitworth, etc.

Peter,

>Dear all, anybody who wants to know even more about different threads might 
>take a look at
>http://www.team.net/sol/tech/whitworth-hist.html

Thanks, that was interesting.  I've been around British cars for about forty
years and didn't know some of that.  O.K. I didn't know most of it.

Thanks again,

Granny

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Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 00:34:37 -0400
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: chipped front pully?

Jim Karantinos asks...

>my poor 1960 SII 88"... well, last weekend while replacing a front leaf
>spring pin i noticed something else wrong (wouldn't you know it). the front
>pulley on the block is chipped 2/3 the way around. it hasn't thrown a belt
>yet, but this has me worried. i just rebuilt the engine and put it in 4
>months ago. the pulley was fine then. does anyone have any suggestions as
-

How did you get the pulley off when you rebuilt the engine? If you used a
puller, you may have stressed the flange.

Cheers
Mike

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Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 00:38:52 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Re: Honour, Politness & Rovers ..

>>LRS. Now some of you are going What the H*ll is he going on about?
>>The point is like someone else pointed out, this list is to try and keep as
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>Dormobile parts become avail. I try and sell or get them sold to those
>struggleing to put a real Dormobile made by Martin Walters back into shape.

hey,Hey!,HEY!!!...everybody just lighten up a bit.

Steve Paustian
95 arles blue D90 SW
95 coniston green D90 SW

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