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1 | tspoto@az.com (Thomas Sp | 19 | Re: Waving |
2 | Andy Woodward [azw@aber. | 12 | Re: LR off road clinic |
3 | marsden@digicon-egr.co.u | 21 | Re: Waving |
4 | "Bobeck, David R." [dbob | 107 | Re: Downeast Rally/ Diesel Road Trip(s) Part Trois |
5 | "Bobeck, David R." [dbob | 23 | Frameover news brief |
6 | ecrover@midcoast.com (Mi | 73 | Imports |
7 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em | 63 | Re: Importing Defender 90 (fwd) |
8 | philippe.carchon@rug.ac. | 14 | Billing |
9 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em | 19 | Re: Imports |
10 | Russ Burns [burns@cisco. | 22 | Trip to Alaska |
11 | Michel Bertrand [mbertra | 26 | Nada 6 cyl parts for sale |
12 | Spenny@aol.com | 42 | Re: 1995 D90 SW Owners reaction |
13 | rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A | 14 | Re: to winch or not to winch |
14 | Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus [A | 5 | Re: to winch or not to winch |
15 | rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A | 12 | Re: 1995 D90 SW Owners reaction |
16 | Richard Brownlee [101360 | 31 | Billing error |
17 | "Adams, Bill" [badams@us | 29 | You've COME ALONG way baby... |
18 | tspoto@az.com (Thomas Sp | 22 | Re: to winch or not to winch |
19 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em | 17 | Jack-all me off (was: You've COME ALONG way baby...) |
20 | ELAGUE@umassd.edu | 13 | More Ranting about Waving... |
21 | ahyoon@students.wisc.edu | 19 | Fire in the hole! ...err Rover?! |
22 | ahyoon@students.wisc.edu | 21 | Engine Braking w/ Auto |
23 | "Bob Frey" [frey@smtp.pv | 18 | Re: Engine Braking w/ Auto |
24 | 12/4/95 [rsloan@titan.li | 31 | Limited What? |
25 | Jim Pappas [roverhed@m3. | 57 | RE: WD-40 silicone NOT! |
26 | ecrover@midcoast.com (Mi | 19 | Winches |
27 | Michael Carradine [cs@cr | 28 | LROA meeting reminder, 7/21 |
28 | rover@pinn.net (Alexande | 24 | The Girling Treatment |
29 | David Place [dplace@SIRN | 12 | Re: LR off road clinic |
30 | Allan Smith [smitha@cand | 30 | Re: LR off road clinic |
31 | landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mi | 32 | Re: to winch or not to winch |
32 | uf974@freenet.victoria.b | 60 | Speedo woes from darkest BC |
33 | "Steve Reddock" [steve_r | 24 | Vinyl cleaning |
34 | sjak.r.haaheim@vg.no | 3 | [not specified] |
35 | marsden@digicon-egr.co.u | 29 | Re: Armoured Land Rovers |
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 06:40:17 -0700 From: tspoto@az.com (Thomas Spoto) Subject: Re: Waving >Why do Series drivers wave ? >Why don't coil drivers wave? [ truncated by lro-digester (was 17 lines)] >Brian -wipe wipe- Cotton >South Africa I beg to differ I have a good heater as well as heated windscreens and still seem to flail my arms in the presence of other Rovers. Well Series get the flailing arms "coilers" get an acknowledging wave (generally unacknowledged). I did once have a lady in a Disco start the exchange. Tom tspoto@az.com 2 x 72 88's one in a state of flux, no not brazing flux 1 x 67 88 truck cab, Kodiak Heater, no need for heated windscreens ------------------------------[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960718 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 14:25:25 +0000 Subject: Re: LR off road clinic >>>>Any info on the engine/ underbody cleaning would be greatly >>>>appreciated! !!!!!!CLEANING!!!!!!! Hell! That's >free underseal< ------------------------------[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960718 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden) Subject: Re: Waving Date: Wed, 17 Jul 96 14:31:01 BST > >This is how it works:--- > >Why do Series drivers wave ? [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)] > 2 x 72 88's one in a state of flux, no not brazing flux > 1 x 67 88 truck cab, Kodiak Heater, no need for heated windscreens I was up in the Yorkshire Dales hiking, over the weekend. Whilst off the main trunk road, I didn't see a single Discovery or Range Rover (amazing for any part of the country in the UK). Plenty of working Land Rovers (as would be expected), and Series IIIs outnumbered Defenders by quite a large margin. All working vehicles (bar mine). Oh, and Yorkshire Farmers don't wave - even when they meet a Series III - probably cos they're as common as sheep! Richard ------------------------------[ <- Message 4 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960718 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 96 08:53:53 EST From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org> Subject: Re: Downeast Rally/ Diesel Road Trip(s) Part Trois OK, time to wrap this thing up.... 7/5 (actually VERY early 7/6) It must've been when the firewood ran out, we all decided to hit the hay, and so we did. The aspirin to beer ratio was about right and I slept like a hibernating beast. 7/6 I must've been the last one up. I had to sit still for a minute to make sure I wasn't hung over. Nope, no headache, no queasies, everything checks out, all systems go. So I get up and dodder over to the "bathhouse" to freshen up. Feeling human again I returned to camp and withdrew the 109 from tent pole service and "prepped" her for the rigors of off-road day. That is to say, I put the toolbox in the back and took the empty beer cans out of the spare tire. We stopped for a very cheap but oh-so-satisfying breakfast across the street from the Whale's Tooth Pub. By the time we were done there was a nice line of a dozen or so Rovers in the parking lot. Quite a nice sight... It was really fun driving around town and seeing Rovers everywhere. Sort of like if all the Range Rovers and Disco(e)s in posh Georgetown were replaced by Series landies and 90's and 110's. So then off we went to the Off-Road Day. Stopping for gas along the way, we saw Dixon at the station. Seems he and Dale arrived rather late the night before due to some "technical difficulties". We arrived at the Off-Road site and waited a half-hour or so while everybody arrived. One of the guys from East Coast Rover gave us a quick "you might break stuff so be careful" speech, then opened the course. I was in a borrowed vehicle so was a little hesitant about taking it out without seeing the track first. I had never been off road in a Range Rover so I jumped in with Bill C. The course started with a muddy, rocky (par for the course) slope that led up to the first obstacle, an "articulation alley" made up of logs at least a foot round laid out in a shallow "v". The Range Rover got up onto it with no difficulty, then the sidestep hung up on the way off. We backed up and went for it again with some more gusto and the step just kept sliding, and off we went. I think the course marshal was yelling "left!, left!", or something, we'll never know. After that it was more slippery slime and then a short log bridge over a shallow ditch. Enough to drop a wheel through but not deep enough to cause real heavy damage. The Rangie crawled right over it without a hitch. I was starting to have second thoughts about taking the 109 out... Then it was on to the hill climb after going through more crud. While waiting we heard that somebody fell off the bridge. Everybody ran over and started taking pictures, until the vehicle (a pastel green SIIA 88" Maine tags, are you on the list?) was quickly winched out and on its way. The hubbub died down and we went back to do the hill climb. Again no problem. Then on through more muck and mire, to one stretch where the mud was so soupy that everybody was having a tough time getting through. The owners of the farm had their tractor out and were pulling trucks through and lifting out huge boulders to help clear the track. There was red 109 in front of us that had a tough time here and had to get towed through. After that it was up and around over a small hill, where we went the wrong way and had to do some careful navigating to get through without busting a diff open on the rocks. Bill was complaining of a new squeak in the suspension. Then it was on through the muck, and then through some muck. After that we went through some muck. Then it was down a short, steep, slope into the big puddle that was about bumper deep, and I didn't see anybody get stuck in it, in fact by the end of the day folks were driving through it "top" speed, splashing mud and water everywhere. What fun. We parked the Rangie, and did the "what did I break this time" inspection. Aside from a dented and probably bent steering stabilizer and side steps that had *a little* more ground clearance, everything looked OK. All through lunch I waffled back and forth over whether to try the 109 on the off road. I finally decided to go for it, and got in line. The first section of uphill was fine, up until the log pile. I would get about halfway over and just start slipping. After a few tries and some additional help the Rover went over. Some guy in a Disco a few cars ahead had lost a bumper cap. OOPS. Then it was off to the log bridge. Again we went right over, no problem. At the end of the log bridge there is a short climb, and for some reason the 109 just could not make it up. After getting towed up the hill, I thought about it, and remembered Bill telling me he had the tires inflated up to 85 psi!! No wonder. One of the guys suggested I back up at the top of the hill and air down. Fine suggestion. I managed to back onto a rock that wouldn't let go, and the tractor with the front loader(!) on it was pressed into service and lifted the rear end so i could drive off. We managed to get to a spot where we could pull over and air down. it was taking forever so we went down to 32 psi and got back on the way. On to the hill climb. I bogged the engine trying it in second, so put it in first and went straight up. The next section was the mud bog which, along with most of the course, had seriously deteriorated. The 109 couldn't make it over one of the larger rocks and again was towed out. Up around the bend, and then through some DEEP ruts, where the steering wheel whipped around and almost took off my thumb. OUCH! That one STILL hurts. Right as that happened the left sill got too close to a rock and we had to use the high lift to get the truck back on course. A quick shunt and we were on our way to the puddle. Yay! we went through the puddle. Yippee. I immediately headed for the soda table and shoved my thumb into a cup of ice, where it stayed for the remainder of the day. The only damage to the truck was a couple of bashed up sill panels, which when I showed them to Bill, he said "Oh you mean those, we can just bang those out"... Unfortunately I had to head out Saturday night, as I had to work Monday morning and was facing and 18-hour drive... I won't go into detail on the trip home as it was entirely uneventful, except for seeing Yvette in Boston again, but I won't bore you with all that "non-Rover" stuff. Anybody that has pictures or video of my follies please reply, I'd like to get some copies if there's anything good... Thanks to Bill Adams for being a sport... Nice to see all of you up there... Best get on down to the Mid Atlantic this fall... Cheers I'd be sorry about the bandwidth but you all could only muster up 8 new messages this morning so forget it... Dave "I was in the limestone diesel 109 with the bugs attached" B. ------------------------------[ <- Message 5 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960718 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 96 09:11:51 EST From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org> Subject: Frameover news brief Hey all. Here's the latest progress. Brakes rebuilt, still need to run some pipes, engine sealed up I hope, and block painted. Installed engine last Sunday. Installed flywheel and new clutch. Gearbox is in the shop with a friend of mine who has done many a 'box and we are going to strip it down tonight. We had the covers off last night and he says it shouldn't be a big deal. Ordered all new bearings and seals for the main box. Transfer box seems ok, so i'm not gonna fuss with it. I will pull the bottom cover though to make sure it's ok. Still waiting on the bulkhead to come back from the welder...Aside from that it's figure out what to do with the wiring, and rebuild the rear tub. Then it should all bolt right together... Cheers dave B. Arlington VA ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960718 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 10:30:30 -0500 From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith) Subject: Imports Dear All, The desire to import Defenders and late model SIII's seem to go in waves. Nothing for months, then recently a flood of calls. A few individuals may get some through...and more power to them!! I love it!!! BUT, if someone who doesn't know any better buys something that is not entirely above board, or doesn't know the problems and risks, that is a bad thing. No names, but a few companies seem to now specialize in importing what are basically illegal, or re-numbered Rovers. If you understand that this is being done, I'll gladly send you to them, as they do not compete with East Coast Rover at all! The market they handle is 180 degrees from our clients. Basically, nothing newer than 25 years old can cross a US border legally, without having been, as I call it Fedralized. The fedraization process is a long and costly one, and can only be carried out by a US registered importer, of which their are only about 15 around the US, and none are Land Rover specialists. EPA and DOT laws, EPA will allow diesels and such for newer models, up to Jan 1, 1976, gasoline models are on the 25 year policy, BUT that doesn't get you by the DOT regulations. So DOT is the hang up, and the form you need to import a vehicle to the US is DOT form HS 7 *rev. 8.93*, this applies to OMB No. 2127 0002, Public Law 100 562, 15 USC 1397, 1916, and 2027. This form is the key...it has 12 different situations under which you can import a vehicle. Unless you are in the military, importing a race car, or are a diplomat, your pretty much stuck with box number 1, that states...The vehicle is 25 or more years old or, if a motorcycle, is 25 or more years old or was manufactured before January 1, 1969; or the equipment item was manufactured on a date when no applicable Fedral Motor Vehicle Safety, or Theft Prevention Standard was in effect. *591.5i* Years of trying to find a way around have meant long talks with everyone from US Customs to DOT to EPA. No variation exists, you can't legally re-number a 1980 SIII as a 1965 and import it, they consider that fraud, and if caught it is a crime. You can't sign the bottom of the DOT form with any mis-information, or that is a FELONY, a crime called defrauding the government. Any US form you sign with incorrect information is a crime. * I don't agree with this stuff it is just the facts * No where in the minds of the any officials I talked to is there any provisions for taking a D90, putting it on another older chassis *don't know how you'd get it to fit anyway* and legally getting it in. It doesn't work that way. No matter what chassis, no matter what anything, it is the running gear, safetly gear, lights, brakes, locks, seat belts, etc. that the DOT is concerned about, not the year of the chassis, and just how many perfect pre 1969 chassis are out there for all these SIII's? Think before you buy. The UK will let anything out, it is coming over the US border that is the problem. So I could go on and on, but this all came about when a US Customs Offical from the South called me about certain cases they are looking into. I told them I couldn't help them, but it does make you wonder what they are looking into, and a seized Rover is not a good thing...for anybody. So basically... be careful out there, and remeber just because you are told something, doesn't mean it was true, or legal, or you should spend your hard earned money on it. It doesn't matter to me, as it is your Rover and your money, and we are so backed up I can't even turn around, but I don't like to see the Rover crowd, including those who attend our Off Road day and those I talk to frequently, looked upon as idiots by people out to just make money off them. Make sure your Rover source is a hobbyist as well! Don't want to believe me, call a freight forwarder in your area and ask for DOT form HS 7, and EPA form 3520 1, or go through the government go round... US Customs 202.622.2000 DOT 202.366.1111 or 202.366.4570 Good luck. From: Mike Smith East Coast Rover Co. 207.594.8086 21 Tolman Road *Rt. 90* 207.594.8120 fax Warren, Maine 04864 ecrover@midcoast.com Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More Series Coil Chassis Specialists ------------------------------[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960718 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 10:28:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca> Subject: Re: Importing Defender 90 (fwd) I have been getting a lot of mail lately about bringing vehicles into the United States, what is legal etc. To start, assuming that you have a completely legal vehicle (built 1967 or earlier) that meets the old Customs regulations, or one built between 1967 and 1971 (new regulations not reflected on the forms yet, thus it may not be worth arguing with Mr Customs Man about who is correct. They always are...) read the FAQ on importing this stuff into the USA: http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/OVLR/FAQ.5.parts.customs.usa.html Now, if you have something other than this, whether or not *you* can bring it in or not all comes down to how energetic you may want to be, and what the laws are in your particular state about titling and registering basically a "kit truck". But, and this is a big one, this approach, if viable, does not mean that you can go bring in a Defender 90 as a very early Series III claiming that there is a coil conversion hiding underneath, and/or there has been an engine swap performed, or the chassis is really an Arrow 88 coil chassis etc. Your vehicle/parts might just sit on the end of a dock somewhere for quite a while. Basically, you can go ahead and try and bring that 110 into the USA. You may succeed (or someone else may succeed for you <ahem>), but if you don't do it correctly, and be able to prove parts sources, invoices, you built it, it really was parts, etc. Mr. CustomsMan can come and seize that vehicle. Hey, Big Sky in Montana (supplier of authentic military parts, guaranteed to have been trashed by the British Army under Canadian Customs rules before disposal) has a 110 available (wouldn't touch it with a barge pole). Go and buy it. The chap will say it is legal etc. Problem is that it isn't and Customs will eventually take it away from you, if they ever get their act together, which in a bureaucracy is only a matter of time. Free advice (there are other ways, but you can figure them out...) If I lived in the USA and wanted a 110 with a TDi? I would live in a State that allows me to registed assembled vehicles. I'd go to England myself and find one, disassemble it and pack it into three different containers/pallets which would come over seperately and a few weeks or more apart. All would be inventoried etc. Spares would be mixed in at the same time. I would go get these crates etc. over time (probably one a month or so) and then put the thing together myself, or with friends, or at some trusted place to do it for me. I would then get it safetied and registered as per the rules and regulations that allow this kind of kit-car/home build stuff. I would not go and buy anything that has been brought over by a third party whatever they claim. Even the above can be a risk if Customs gets curious and/or upset with you. Now, if you are doing this 110 or D90 for yourself, you are a hell of a lot safer than someone else doing the above and reselling the vehicle. US Customs doesn't seem to like this aspect of free enterprise as much as you would. Remember, this is the USA we are talking about, not Canada with much more lax rules. Your Customs service is slightly bigger and meaner than ours. ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960718 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 16:38:22 +0200 From: philippe.carchon@rug.ac.be (philippe) Subject: Billing Hi Richard, If I see the red Dormobile I'll come and say hi ! BTW: you mentioned the camp site is full , also for a small tent (no car) ? I have to sleep somewhere ! Philippe Carchon Ghent, Belgium '81 Lightweight (not going to Billing) ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960718 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 10:41:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca> Subject: Re: Imports On Wed, 17 Jul 1996, Mike Smith wrote: > The desire to import Defenders and late model SIII's seem to go in > waves. Nothing for months, then recently a flood of calls. A few You have been getting the calls lately too... My favourite is still the chap in Dallas that wanted to know how to install air conditioning into his 130 hi-capacity pick-up once it arrived from the UK. Didn't seem to realise that in Canada getting them colder is not a problem. Getting them warmer was of much greater concern to us. Also told him to give a ring when he actually had it licensed and on the road. A 130? Now that's pushing it... ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960718 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 12:05:18 -0700 From: Russ Burns <burns@cisco.com> Subject: Trip to Alaska Heres a quick update on the summer adventure. We wandered thru Minnisota, S Dakota, spent a few days in the black hills. >From there we wandered to the Bighorn mountions in Wy., headed south thru Jackson Hole, down to Salt Lake. In Salt Lake I picked up an aluminan roof rack for the D-90. Then headed south to the colorado springs area. Spent a few days in the mountions with some friends who flew in from Ca. Then we headed up to Colorado for the bike, bog, and canoe triathlon, put on by Bill Burke Me and my partner Barry Bloom had a great time. Check out the event at http://www.suv.com/live/ We are now in gardner MT. packing for the alaskan part of the adventure. Have great fun Russ Burns Joyce Burns Cassie Burns one muddie blue D-90 ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960718 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 12:16:55 -0400 From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@InterLinx.qc.ca> Subject: Nada 6 cyl parts for sale Hello all, I have some 6 cyl Nada parts for sale such as Brake servo, carb, fuel pump (holding together with some electrical tape) and other bits and pieces. Parts are located in Sherbrooke, Quebec, North of Vermont. Can arrange shipping or delivery at Stowe in September. 100$ Cadn (that's about 60 $ U.S) Thank you. mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca Michel Bertrand Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 1963 109 PU (Rudolph) 1968 109 SW (in the works) 1973 88 SW (21st century project) ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960718 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Spenny@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 12:52:41 -0400 Subject: Re: 1995 D90 SW Owners reaction Some huge whiner writes.... LRNA positioned our 500 vehicles as the end of the Defender run, never to snip... Defenders availability in the US, one that will adversely affect the limited nature of our vehicles. Interested in getting other owners input on this subject and the groups interest in having a dialog with LRNA about plans that will affect our ownership experience. What sort of elitist tripe is this? <Rant on> This is exactly the sort of crap that divides series owners and the coil sprung owners. Can you hear your cell phone over the wind noise? Why did you buy this truck? Because you love Rovers? Because you know you will sacrifice valuble time, money and the patience of loved ones for its up-keep? Or did you buy it just so you could feel smug and superior on your way to the country club? We love rovers, do you, or do you take solace in the fact that only 176 D90SW's were built before yours? Get a grip, only about about 1.76 million rovers were produced before yours. Ownership experience?, You want the ownership experience?, You can't handle the ownership experience? <Rant off> you probably don't wave either.... Spenny Proud owner of number 629,785/1,285,681 series rovers produced. Interested in getting in contact with anyone who digs rovers. 1969 SWB The Wayback Machine <-- *New Frame* Soon to be Ex of Haverhill Mass. Land Rovers on the Information Superhighway, what will they think of next? ------------------------------[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960718 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 13:28:07 +0100 From: rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A. Virzi) Subject: Re: to winch or not to winch Franklin wrote: >Have you considered carrying a come-a-long for emergency use? I've thought about it, but I hear that Tom is writing an article or FAQ on various sorts of manual winches. Should be ready any day now, right Tom? ;-) Bob (Hey, I'd write it but I don't know anything about them) rvirzi@gte.com Think Globally. === +1(617)466-2881 === Act Locally! ------------------------------[ <- Message 14 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960718 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com> Date: 17 Jul 96 13:41:49 EDT Subject: Re: to winch or not to winch ------------------------------[ <- Message 15 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960718 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 14:23:09 +0100 From: rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A. Virzi) Subject: Re: 1995 D90 SW Owners reaction >1969 SWB The Wayback Machine <-- *New Frame* ^^^^^^^^^ Spenny- Is that before or after Downeast? -Bob rvirzi@gte.com Think Globally. === +1(617)466-2881 === Act Locally! ------------------------------[ <- Message 16 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960718 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 17 Jul 96 15:16:51 EDT From: Richard Brownlee <101360.3273@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Billing error Sorry all It seems that every time I sit at this keyboard and post to these lists I cock it up. I did say: >I saw the post a little while back about meeting outside the beer tent on saturday >5pm. Is this still on? I have only just been able to get the time to attend so the >LRO camping is full - I will be camping in the Billing area in a red Dormobile KHG >820G - arriving saturday - come and say hi. What I meant to say was the meeting outside the LRO stand. Oops. - also to prevent any further confusion; By 'Billing Area' I meant the Billing Aquadrome camping area which is within the same complex as the LRO show camping area, not 'in the general vicinity of Billing'. - still confused? so am I Nurse! Regards again Richard Surrey UK 77 Range Rover ------------------------------[ <- Message 17 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960718 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 96 15:35:36 -0400 From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov> Subject: You've COME ALONG way baby... Okay, so you're stuck deep in the muck and you want to get out as fast as possible without a lot of fuss and muss. For straight line pulling, you would probably want to go with the winch option, as they are designed to more or less clean-and-jerk the vehicle. A Come-Along can help, but it must be used in accordance with its engineering. First of all, the lever arm on these tools is usually short - a mechanical advantage must be contrived. This will almost always involve snatch blocks and doubling of the line of pull so that the effective pulling force of the tool is doubled or tripled. Second, the amount of cable on the spool is pretty meager (or non-existant for cable pulls), so carrying extra somehow has to be addressed (another thing flopping around the back of the truck). Third issue is safety. A parting cable can be deadly, and standing next to one under high tension can be nerve wracking. Throwing coats or blankets over the cable will reduce its velocity should it give up. (this holds true for ANY winch) The advantages of a come-along are its low cost and freedom from battery or engine power. The disadvantages are the lack of cable length, necessity of many accessories: snatch blocks, tree straps, extra cable, shackles,etc. and low pulling power. The best option is to use the "buddy system" off-road. If one vehicle fails to clear an obstacle, the other is there to assist. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator ------------------------------[ <- Message 18 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960718 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 13:21:29 -0700 From: tspoto@az.com (Thomas Spoto) Subject: Re: to winch or not to winch > ...snip... >Opinions? Also, would even a 2000 pound come-along be a safe addition for >vehicle recovery? > aj"Proudly paranoid"r Yes, even a 1 ton come-along will help. I was once part way off a track in the coastal mtns here. I was rigging a come-along to pull myself sideways back onto the track when a convoy of jeeps came along. We rigged a tow to the first jeep who proceeded to pull me resulting in pulling me further off the track before he lost traction. Many ideas were thought of before I went back to the original plan and used the come-along to pull sideways. Out in three minutes. Tom Spoto tspoto@az.com 2 x 72 88's one has an old Warn 1 x 67 88 has a Koenig winch but not on it at the moment ------------------------------[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960718 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 16:26:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca> Subject: Jack-all me off (was: You've COME ALONG way baby...) On Wed, 17 Jul 1996, Adams, Bill wrote: > A Come-Along can help, but it must be used in accordance with its > engineering. First of all, the lever arm on these tools is usually short > - a mechanical advantage must be contrived. This will almost always >. My experience with come-alongs is that they are generally junk. What is more useful is some chain, and/or wire rope and a jack-all. Granted they only move you about three feet in a shot, but they have tremendous pulling power. Many times you really don't need to move yourself 100 feet. Many times just getting a few feet out of the hole you dug will suffice. ------------------------------[ <- Message 20 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960718 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ELAGUE@umassd.edu Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 16:57:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: More Ranting about Waving... I hate to clog up bandwidth with another interminable comment about waves, but here I go. A while ago, while riding in an aquaintance's automobile (non-Rover), we passed by a '96 Disco (pretty nice black one with headlamp guards). A fairly attractive female of about 29 [ :-> ] was driving the vehicle, so I waved and smiled.... The bitch gave me the worst sour faced look I've ever seen... ------------------------------[ <- Message 21 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960718 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 16:20:25 -0500 From: ahyoon@students.wisc.edu (Arnold Yoon) Subject: Fire in the hole! ...err Rover?! Gee whiz! Hmmm.....I must say that this is Lucas at his worst....Maybe I will reconsider completely rewiring the Disco....(I know, I'm demented)....well, maybe not...with my luck, the damned air bag will pop out and kill me....gotta get rid of that thing....anyone know of any good ideas, except taking a BIG knife and poking a hole in it? Arnold Yoon University of Wisconsin - Madison E-Mail: ahyoon@students.wisc.edu Voice: (608) 259-9936 Land Rover 4 Ever! 1995 Land Rover Discovery "Four Wheel Drive Exemplified" ------------------------------[ <- Message 22 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960718 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 16:20:22 -0500 From: ahyoon@students.wisc.edu (Arnold Yoon) Subject: Engine Braking w/ Auto To address Bob's question.... We have a 1995 Disco NAS with the ZF autobox. To be honest with you, I haven't taken it off-road anywhere when I had to use Low-Low (Low, 1). I know, I should be ashamed of myself. The best indication that I can give you is this.....I tried it going down a smooth paved driveway (ours) 50 feet, 35-40 degree incline...I had no problem keeping it under 5-6 mph. Arnold Yoon University of Wisconsin - Madison E-Mail: ahyoon@students.wisc.edu Voice: (608) 259-9936 Land Rover 4 Ever! 1995 Land Rover Discovery "Four Wheel Drive Exemplified" ------------------------------[ <- Message 23 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960718 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 17 Jul 1996 14:32:47 -0700 From: "Bob Frey" <frey@smtp.pvr.com> Subject: Re: Engine Braking w/ Auto 35-40 degrees? That's some driveway! Bob Frey D-90 "Red" ------ From: Land-Rover-Owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net, Wed, Jul 17, 1996 = ------ We have a 1995 Disco NAS with the ZF autobox. To be honest with you, I haven't taken it off-road anywhere when I had to use Low-Low (Low, 1). I know, I should be ashamed of myself. The best indication that I can give you is this.....I tried it going down a smooth paved driveway (ours) 50 feet, 35-40 degree incline...I had no problem keeping it under 5-6 mph. ------------------------------[ <- Message 24 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960718 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 17:32:52 -0400 (EDT) From: 12/4/95 <rsloan@titan.liunet.edu> Subject: Limited What? Alot of this talk about the D90 being a limited edition can be resolved very simply. If you spent 30+ g's and took your new truck and stuck him in a garage because someone told you they would appreciate over the years because there wouldn't be any new ones coming over, then it would appear that you are sh*t out of luck. I guess now you would have to start driving it and have some fun, or sell it for pretty much what you paid for it. (My dealer asked me if I thought about selling mine for about 3 grand more than I paid. No sale.) An investment is a risk, you might win, you might lose. However, if, like me, you spent your 30+ g's on what you thought was an amazing truck that would last you for thirty or forty years, then the idea that I might be joined on the road by a few hundred more D90's every year is not that upsetting. It will give my friends a chance to own one, then I'll stop raving about mine and listen to them for a while with a knowing grin on my face. Besides, I'd rather drive a stick than an auto any day, and most people I know would too. If you're worried about selling your Defender, don't. I'm pretty sure there will always be a demand for them, a production run of 500 vehicles is not that many. So basically, your owner experience is what you make of it, and I'm having a blast with mine! P.S. I am almost certain the LRNA instructor said Series IV with tongue in cheek, not at all like a serious historical revision. Rich, 95 D90 not sure of the number... ------------------------------[ <- Message 25 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960718 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Jim Pappas <roverhed@m3.pcix.com> Subject: RE: WD-40 silicone NOT! Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 11:24:59 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Absolutely!! No SILICONE product should be used on auto interiors!! It is synthetic = and will indeed clog the pores in vinyls and plastics that are necessary = for them to breathe. WD-40 is outstanding - leaves no residue, and gives = a slight glow - suitable alternative is CRC-brand 5-56. cheers Jim ---------- From: Alexander P. Grice[SMTP:rover@pinn.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 1996 8:39 PM Subject: WD-40 silicone NOT! John Tackley <jtackley.dit@state.va.us> wrote: > I've seen recommendations for use of WD-40 and Silicone spray = products. >WHICH is it? On vinyl dashes and seats, WD-40 is the *only* way to go. (And this = comes from Chris "The Badger" Laws who earns his living making seats and = tops...) WD-40 is a petroleum product. What is vinyl? Essentially petroleum = with a few of its molecules rearranged. If you use "silicone" spray on seats and dashes (no comments from the = pre- Series III squad, please), it will clog up the pores and eventually = crack the material. Worse, on seats, it'll make the stitching brittle. Use Armor-All and your seats will look fine...for a while. A year or so = later, they will just fall apart at the seams. (Mine did. And The Badger did = a *great* job of reworking them.) Cheers *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----* | A. P. (Sandy) Grice | | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd. | | 1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | | E-mail: rover@pinn.net Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day) | | 757-423-4898 (Evenings) FAX: 757-622-7056 | | | *----1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7 ----* ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB7411.0EE3D960 ------------------------------[ <- Message 26 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960718 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:15:03 -0500 From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith) Subject: Winches Dear all, I don't know if this can help anyone, but we just bought out another old Land Rover dealer, and in the depths of the stuff was a Koenig winch parts book, and manual. So if anyone needs part numbers or instructions I'll be glad to look it up. See ya! From: Mike Smith East Coast Rover Co. 207.594.8086 21 Tolman Road *Rt. 90* 207.594.8120 fax Warren, Maine 04864 ecrover@midcoast.com Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More Series Coil Chassis Specialists ------------------------------[ <- Message 27 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960718 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 16:43:37 -0700 From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com> Subject: LROA meeting reminder, 7/21 On 7/14/96, John Hess <jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote: : :A LROA meeting is scheduled for Sunday, July 21 at 11 AM. : :Place is San Jose Land Rover. : :Discussion concerning the new incorporation, transferrence of funds, :insurance, and the newsletter. Geoff Jackson confirmed that there will be a presentation by Renee Pray, Land-Rover Representative, reportedly to handle customer complaints for Northern California, Nevada, Oregon, Washington, and Hawaii. This should be of particular interest to the Disco, Defender and RR membership. Land-Rover San Jose is at 5080 Stevens Creek Blvd., San Jose, CA 95129 located near the onramp/exit just East of Hwy 280. Meeting space (and last time, coffee with free thermal RR mugs!) is provided courtesy of Ken Boswell, Sales Manager, phone 408-247-7600, fax 408-261-6975. Hope to see everyone there! Michael Carradine VP pro tem LROA ------------------------------[ <- Message 28 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960718 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 20:10:37 -0400 From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice) Subject: The Girling Treatment Hank Lapa wrote: >...I wonder if using a bit of Girling on rubber might be a good idea.... On rubber, sure. But it eats the hell out of the paint work, so be careful. Girling/Castrol fluids are organic-based, glycol actually, wheras most "DoT" fluids are petroleum=based. Years ago, this was of major importance, but all seals and hoses manufactured in the last half-dozen years (even British ones) are neoprene rather than natural rubber; the old admonition about using only glycol brake fluid is no longer necesary. *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----* | A. P. (Sandy) Grice | | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd. | | 1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | | E-mail: rover@pinn.net Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day) | | 757-423-4898 (Evenings) FAX: 757-622-7056 | | | *----1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7 ----* ------------------------------[ <- Message 29 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960718 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 23:00:19 -0500 (CDT) From: David Place <dplace@SIRNet.mb.ca> Subject: Re: LR off road clinic I have found that if you rally want to get the mud off the engine and frame, you can go to a company which specializes in cleaning heavy equipment like cats etc. They use a machine called a steam jenny among other names. It produces super heated steam under pressure. It cleans better than any hot water cleaner you can do at home. The high pressure car washes arn't bad, but most produce lots of water with little soap and some use recycled water as well. Dave VE4PN ------------------------------[ <- Message 30 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960718 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 00:54:48 -0500 From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc> Subject: Re: LR off road clinic On Wed, 17 Jul 1996, David Place <dplace@SIRNet.mb.ca> wrote: >I have found that if you rally want to get the mud off the engine and >frame, you can go to a company which specializes in cleaning heavy [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)] >some use recycled water as well. >A few months ago there was some discussion among people who had small furry rodents in their undercarriage. If you use cats to control them you could give them a rewarding wash after their forays into the oily depths. (Sorry) On the other hand, wouldn't superheated steam remove just about any anti-rust treatment that had been applied? Just how clean does the underneath need to be? I need to get under the 90 with a hose about every second day to get mud out of the areas where it accumulates, but there is always a brown film left over the black Rover undercoating (ha ha)/Waxoyl combination. For me, the key is to make sure nowhere stays wet under a catchment of mud, and there are some really good catchments on the 90 frame. The channel above the outer rear crossmember, behind the rubber flap, is a choice one for example, but easily cleared with a garden hose with a jet nozzle. The tops of the front shocks hold a nice little puddle as well. Etc. But - I'll find them all! Allan St. Lucia ------------------------------[ <- Message 31 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960718 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 02:00:14 -0400 From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice) Subject: Re: to winch or not to winch Rich asks... >Does anyone know a really cheap source of quality winches? >So is it necessary to purchase a winch new? What about proper mounting, >forward or rear? How do you determine the winch you need for your vehicle >type? Do I really need one? - I bought a Ramsey 8000lb winch from a mail-order place for about half the price of the same winch at local 4x4 supply places. (Check the ads in the usual 4x4 magazines.) You can find used winches... You may have to buy a new cable and depending on the winch you might have to fabricate your own mounts. You will probably get more use out of the winch if it is front mounted. You probably don't want to go any smaller than 8000lb (single-line pull). I've had good luck with the Ramsey for occasional use but I've talked to people who hated the Ramsey and preferred a Warn winch. Depends on how often you need to use it, I guess. No matter what kind, the first time you need it, it is worth while. I have used a come-along - once - before I bought the winch. It was slow going, but I got out. Cheers Mike ------------------------------[ <- Message 32 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960718 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 23:43:33 -0700 (PDT) From: uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Clinton D. Coates) Subject: Speedo woes from darkest BC It is becoming a running joke with my family that something roverish happens on every major trip I take with Emerson. So far everything has been more or less minor and annoying, not disatrarous. Case in point: My speedo started acting up on my way up to Terrace for a job. Looked at the manual and it says it might be the worm gear, cruddy cable, or the speedo itself. Symptoms 1) Holds steady at about 30mph when doing 50+mph (was holding at about 40mph earlier) under power. 2) If the accel. is let off (as in going down hill) the needle whips back up and gives a proper and steady reading... until accel. is resumed. 3) A chattery (small furry rodent?) sound comes from the speedo sometimes. 4) The odometer is reading improperly as well, suggesting the problem is not too internal to the speedo? I pulled the cable of the speedo and shot a bunch of slick goop down it, which did exactly nothing. The end that goes into the speedo terminates in a 2cm by ca. 3mm square section with serrations around the edge. The last 4-5mm appers to be rounded off a bit. Is this normal? The tranny was just rebuilt about 25K ago, so probably not the worm drive? If it is the speedo, can they be repaired? It seems rather like a sealed unit I am going to pull the whole thing anyway, but I like having a bit of borrowed wisdom along. Thanks in advance CDC -- __x___x_ / Clinton D. Coates uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca |__|__|__\/__ | | |_ | *Emerson* 61 lwb pickup.....mostly runs (_)"""""(_)" *If it doesn't leak, its not a Land Rover* ------------------------------[ <- Message 33 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960718 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 04:49:13 EDT From: "Steve Reddock" <steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com> Subject: Vinyl cleaning Hi, I'll resist the temptation to torch the suggestion of WD40 on seats, was it a wind up? How do you manage not to get oil on your clothes? Doesn't it make it really slippery? I'm trying to find something to clean my motorbike saddle with and I don't want it slippery. I have enough trouble hanging on while it accelerates as it is, last thing I need is a greased saddle. Does it really work? Cheers, Steve Steve Reddock, Xyratex | "NEVER QUESTION AN Ext.(01705) 486363 x4450 | ENGINEER'S OPINION, IBMMAIL (GBXYR96P) | YOU THUNDERING MORON !" Steve_Reddock@uk.xyratex.com | - Dogbert 1996 ------------------------------[ <- Message 34 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960718 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden) Subject: Re: Armoured Land Rovers Date: Thu, 18 Jul 96 10:34:46 BST > Are you tired of your neighbour, throwing petrol bombs and stones at your > vehicle? [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)] > Are these specially designed models found elsewhere? > Cheers from Norway, Sjak R. (Celebrating my first days on the net...) Hi, Sjak! I hear that fuel economy would make the RUC Landies impractical for civilians in the UK - 8mpg if you're lucky. Guess the Army and Police aren't too bothered by that. They'd need the V8s with all that weight! The conversions are done by a third party. There was an article in one of the mags. in the past 6-12 months. The acronym "CAV" rings a bell. Whoever does it, runs a similar business as Marshalls in Cambridge, although I don't think its them. (Marshalls do special conversions - typically military). I've heard it suggested that the name Defender was chosen because of the huge military market that Land Rover has/had. (Something like 40% of all Series IIIs went to the World's armed forces). Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR) ------------------------------[ <- Message 36 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960718 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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