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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 07:43:54 EDT
From: "Steve Reddock" <steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com>
Subject: capstain winches

In the last few days there have been a couple of people say that self
recovery is possibly with a capstain winch.

How?

My guess is that you need one person outside to pull the rope of the
capstain and another to drive the vehicle.

The only problem is that the person pulling the rope had better not slip
as they climb up the hill the LR couldn't climb!

Or by self recovery did you mean with one vehicle, rather than with
one person?

Cheers, Steve

Steve Reddock, Xyratex       | Just as he thought he had
Ext.(01705) 486363 x5209     | clinched the interview he was
IBMMAIL (GBXYR96P)           | visited by the ghost of Usenet
Steve_Reddock@uk.xyratex.com | Postings Past.

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From: "Mr Ian Stuart" <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 13:06:28 +0000
Subject: Re: capstain winches

Quoting Steve Reddock, from 29 May 96

> Or by self recovery did you mean with one vehicle, rather than with
> one person?
I usually understand self-recovery to mean a vehicle extracting itself 
from the problem.

This usually involves more than one person (going solo in any off-road 
environment is dubious, let alone in a vehicle!)

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

Quote of 1996: "A.L.S. is a good example of scottishissityness"

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 09:21:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Jim Pappas

> Jim Pappas - please e-mail me direct when you get the chance.

	This worked a while ago...

	jim pappas <jpappa01@InterServ.Com>
	

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 29 May 96 10:16:41 EDT
Subject: Damn shock bushings....sigh.

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 12:19:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Land Rover parts and engine swap

On Wed, 29 May 1996, Rostek Wolfgang wrote:

> 1. is there a great difference in quality between original Landrover parts 
> and non original ones? As I am a student I prefer the non original parts, 
> because they are much cheaper and I have not made any bad experiences so far.

	Yes and no.  Considering some of the Genuine comes in boxes labeled
	Made in Mexico/Singapore/China...  Some aftermarket is very good,
	other stuff can be questionable.  Regardless, the price is generally
	a lot less.  I use aftermarket everywhere (Well, the electrical
	stuff is NOS Lucas for the 25D4 and that's more genuine than LR)
	though wouldn't inside the gearbox for example.

> 2.  What are the main problems when changing the engine? I guess that I have 
> to do some welding at the engine mountings and then it should fit straigt in, 
> and I have already the right bellhousing for the gearbox.  I am planning to 
> use the old radiator, and the petrol tank sender unit, will it work?

	Driveshafts will have to change.  When you drop the 2.25l in there
	the gearbox is going to come forward, unless you plan to leave the
	gearbox here it is and have the engine sit back farther than 
	normally on 2.25l vehicles.  If you sit the engine further back,
	it will effect the throatle linkage, rad hoses etc.  You choice
	on which you want to deal with.  Gearbox (driveshafts, handbrake)
	or Engine (throttle, hoses etc).  2.6 rad is different, so you
	will have to fashion yourself some hoses, but it can be done 
	easily.  

	Rgds,

	Dixon

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 12:24:01 -0400
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: capstain winches

Steve Reddock asks...

>In the last few days there have been a couple of people say that self
>recovery is possibly with a capstain winch.
>How?

-

True.. it is safer with two people, but you could do it by yourself if you
have a hand throttle. The truck won't be moving all that fast and you can
stop the capstan easily by letting go of the rope to make steering corrections.

Of course, this all depends on just what you are winching yourself out of.

Cheers
Mike

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Date: Wed, 29 May 96 17:57:13 
From: "Jens Vesterdahl" <jve@phaseone.dk>
Subject: Re: Fuel gauge grounding

Hi all.

Hmmm .... what do you know - a diesel fuel level sender in my petrol tank! One 
more thing that wasn't on my car when it left the factory. What's next? Thanks 
Mikes.
I have a sIII 1972 4 cyl petrol STW. Well maybe 1971, but first registered in 
Denmark in 1972 anyway.
The frame was replaced by a previous owner in 1986 (oh, thank you!).
The engine is a sII 7:1 compression ratio (368... serial number) from God knows 
when.
The fuel level sender is from a sIIA diesel.
The rubber floor mats are from a Santana.
The rest of the car looks like it could well be from 1972 without seing paint 
for a very long time.

What year is the car from. Should I take the average year?
Man - these Land Rover owners really mess things up :-)

Jens Vesterdahl

Carpe Diem!

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 13:52:50 -0400
From: Hank_Lapa_at_PO-PLAZA1@SIGNALCORP.COM (Hank Lapa)
Subject: Leaf springs for 109 - Hvy Duty?

All,

I expect to replace rear springs on 109 SW this year.  Any 
recommendation - regular or heavy-duty (military) - when 
ordering "genuine"?  What are the trade-offs?  Will mil 
springs increase height?  Genuine springs on front are 
pretty new.  Also, I recollect that there's a Rancho shock 
that's favored for leaf-sprung Series vehs.  Which is it, 
and is it really better than the rest?

Thanks, and rover on,
Hank

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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o_Tom=E1s_Parreira?= <jparreira@mail.telepac.pt>
Subject: Re: Gear Lever noises
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 18:56:55 +-200

Hello guys:

Many thanks for your help regarding my noisy gear lever, specially Bill Leacock.
Your idea of increasing the gear lever mass using a rubber tube (or heater hose)
worked just fine. Now I can drive on-road, in 4th gear, above 80 Km/h holding the
steer with both hands.

One noise down, several to go :-)

Regards
Joao

********************************************
* Joao Parreira	| jparreira@mail.telepac.pt
* Aveiro - PORTUGAL
* INTELLECTOR Ltd.
* I.T. Consultant
* 1980 LR 88' SIII
********************************************

LAND ROVER'S FIRST
BECAUSE LAND ROVERS LAST! :-)

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 13:59:11 -0400
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: Washer Jets--Sheesh!

Hi all,

My 67 SIIa 88" needs new washer jets.  The old ones are mounted on the bonnet.  No one 
seems to carry the hood mounted jets any longer.  If they're listed in the FAQ, I've 
called them.  Two questions:

1.  Any other way to get the replacements?

2.  If not, can I use jets from, say, a Toyota tercel/Nissan sentra/(read cheap source 
of hood mounted washer jets)

What have others done?  (I know, a third question)

Thanks for the input.

Nate Dunsmore
Rocking Horse Farm
Boring, MD 21020
dunsmo19@us.net

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 11:48:11 -0700
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Re: Washer Jets--Sheesh!

You wrote: 
>Hi all,
>My 67 SIIa 88" needs new washer jets.  The old ones are mounted on the bonnet.  No one 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)]
>Thanks for the input.
>Nate Dunsmore

Are these the approximately two inch tall pillar type washer jets?  If so I'm pretty sure 
I recently bought one from RN.  They're also available from the UK.

cheers,

Jeremy

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 11:48:57 -0700
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Thanks on 3rd Hinge

Thanks to one and all for the suggestions on the third hinge 
installation.

Jeremy

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From: Sharon & Patrick Mulheren <keelam@sol.racsa.co.cr>
Subject: A new LR Owner (Fool?)
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 14:12:26 -0600

Hi,

Help!  I just bought a 1973 diesel-powered SIII 88" in Costa Rica.  This =
is my first LR, not to mention my first 4WD.  So I'm sure this will be =
the first of many calls for help to you veteran LROs.  I don't know what =
the fair market price for one is, but I paid $3,300 (Costa Rican car =
prices seem to be about 200% of what they would be in the U.S.).  Please =
tell me that I didn't make a big mistake...price-wise as well as general =
maintenance-wise.  Yes, there are major leaks, which I knew (from your =
wonderful Web page) was a famous LR trait.  Yes, it has virtually no =
power, which I knew.  And the variety of clinks, clanks and clunks are a =
source of great amusement while driving!  However, there are a few =
things that have me a bit concerned.  I was hoping someone could provide =
some insight (I have yet to find a manual, which would probably answer =
many of my questions.  Plus, as you'll see, I'm quite =
mechanically-inept). 
1)  Hot Foot!  The panel (firewall?) by the gas pedal seems to get =
extremely hot after the LR warms up a bit.  It's almost too hot to =
touch, and causes my foot to sweat considerably.  Firstly, is that =
normal (you laugh!)?  If so, would there be any harm in putting some =
insulation or something over that area?
2)  There is a tremendous amount of play in the steering.  How do I go =
about tightening it up?  I looked on the steering column and saw a nut =
on top of the column and one on the side.  Would it be either of those?  =

3)  Sometimes on the highway when I "gun" it a bit (relatively speaking =
with a diesel!), the LR begins to shimmy back and forth to the point =
where I have to come to a stop and start over again (this was in 2WD =
with the hubs unlocked).  It feels like a wheel is about to come off, =
but it's not that.  Any ideas?
Well, that's enough for now.  More to come, I'm sure.  Thanks for =
listening.
-  Patrick Mulheren >> Costa Rica

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Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 18:21:15
From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS)
Subject: Impromptu Survey

Just out of curiosity:

How many Rover owners are also motorcyclists?

Are there any sailors out there?

Please mail responses to me and save the Roverlist bandwidth.
Results posted soon (I hope).
Thanks.

Bill Adams
3Dmentia computer animation
4016 Spruell Drive
Kensington, MD 20895
301-949-9475

'66 Land Rover S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel  ...all there

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From: "Masha Medvedeva" <masha@gyre.coaps.fsu.edu>
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 18:00:00 -0400
Subject: DEF 110 

Dear LR-owners,

I am looking for Defender 110 Turbo Station Wagon, with diesel engine.
I found out that it is impossible to by it in US, since they don't use
diesel anymore. Is that right? If yes, does anyone know some dealerships
(or people)in Europe (since I will drive the car to Russia) that sell 110.
Is it possible to get financing? How hard (or easy) is it to take the
car out of (bring in) the country, especially CIS countries.
If there are diesel defenders in US, would you please let me know the
addresses of the sellers.

Thank you in advance,
Maria Medvedeva

masha@coaps.fsu.edu
http://www.coaps.fsu.edu/~masha
http://www.coaps.fsu.edu:80/bios/medvedeva.html

-- 

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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 18:03:12
From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS)
Subject: Re: A new LR Owner (Fool?)

First of all, anyone who buys a Land Rover is far from being a fool.
That having been said, allow me to try and address some of your 
difficulties.
 
	As to the initial cost: this has more to do with availability 
and model than condition of the truck; a rare beast can bring plenty 
even if it's rotting into the dirt. 3K seems pretty much in line with 
USA prices, but not having seen it, who can say.

	About diesels and power. Before you go thinking you have a dog 
of an engine, you must first do a thorough check of the injection 
system from filters to injectors to pump timing. If this is beyond 
your mechanical abilities, any reputable diesel wrench can do it for 
you.
	Once you have checked everything, be sure you are running good 
quality fuel.
	After this process, you will most likely find that you have 
plenty of power. The engine and drive train are designed for off-road 
use, so naturally, the highway performance is not going to match a 
passenger car's. Lively use of the gearshift is necessary. Keep the 
filters clean and the oil changed and you will be amazed at what it 
will do for you. It will start in 3 feet of standing water(belt off).

	I recommend a bolt-on overdrive unit for improved highway 
travel. My 109 Station Wagon does 65-70 mph all day long.

	Your hotfoot is probably a misaligned exhaust pipe or a 
misssing heat shield. Check the clearance.

	The steering looseness and the highway shimmy are most likely 
caused by the same thing. I can't troubleshoot from here, but I would 
suspect the steering knuckles (swivel balls). These are highly 
stressed components and usually wear out first.  

	Rovers are rewarding vehicles to own and care for. There is 
nothing to maintaining them beyond the ability of the weekend 
mechanic. I suggest strongly that you order the workshop manual for 
your truck. Not only will you learn how to do most of the repairs 
yourself, but you will have valuable foreknowlege in the event of 
some mechanical downfall beyond your ability to remedy.

 

Bill Adams
3Dmentia computer animation
4016 Spruell Drive
Kensington, MD 20895
301-949-9475

'66 Land Rover S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel  ...all there

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 15:17:00 -0800
From: "Deanna D. Sitter" <lani@alaska.net>
Subject: McNamara Diff

Chris Fisher asked about the Mcnamara Diff

Chris,
I have been running one in my '73 88 for the past few years and love it.  The locking diff is a four spider 
gear carrier so you do not have to get this in addition.  I feel it has three big advantages over the ARB.  It 
uses, and comes with, heavier Salisbury sized 24 spline axles.  This is a huge improvement over the wimpy ten 
spline units.  It does not require an air compressor or any plumbing which is just a potential failure point in 
my opinion.  Third is price.  I ordered mine directly from Aust. and paid about $650 (I think the exchange rate 
was $0.70 US for $1.00 Aust.) including shipping and customs(about 3% of value I believe).  At the time there 
was no U.S. dealer so they might not want to deal direct with you although I found the company to be extreamly 
friendly and customer oriented.  Even if it is a grand you get the stronger axles which you wouldn't get with 
an ARB.  I have never felt getting out to engage it to be an inconvenience.  Lock it in at the start of an 
off-roading sesion, unlock it at the end.  I just removed it a couple of days ago in order to install some 3.8 
gears and everything looks great.

Hope this helps,

Tim Sitter

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From: "Ron Franklin" <oldhaven@biddeford.com>
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 19:57:08 -0500
Subject: Re: McNamara Diff

On 29 May 96 at 15:17, Deanna D. Sitter wrote:

> Chris Fisher asked about the Mcnamara Diff

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 22 lines)]
> Hope this helps,
> Tim Sitter

Tim,
Something further please.  Are these only available for Series vehicles or 
can RR, Disco, Defenders play too?  Is there now a US dealer?

Ron Franklin

Bowdoin, Maine, USA

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 20:12:17 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: Re: DownEast Rally July

>Mike,
>Just a quick note to let you know I'll be coming to the Downeast...along
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>everyone involved know....
>Any questions/concerns please let me know.

        We are looking to get an semi-accurate head count for the event.
The event is groing so fast that we may have to limit things, and we want
to find out who is coming, so we don't run out of food and that sort of
thing.
        How many people will be in your party?

        Please let me know the total of people that will be attending the
Off Road day. If you need any other information about camping or the Owl's
Head Show contact Myles.

        Thanks, See ya!
>Rgds,
>Eric
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>http://www.OverlandMotors.com  Fax: (914) 734-4352  Phone: (914) 734-4333
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 20:18:12 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)

Dear All,
        Sorry for that last message. It was supposed to be direct to Eric.
Sorry for the waste of space! Oops!

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 17:13:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Re: DEF 110 

On Wed, 29 May 1996, Masha Medvedeva wrote:

> Dear LR-owners,
> I am looking for Defender 110 Turbo Station Wagon, with diesel engine.
> I found out that it is impossible to by it in US, since they don't use
> diesel anymore. Is that right? 

Impossible to buy in the US because they are not imported.  More's the  
pity, of course, but that is the story.

> If yes, does anyone know some dealerships
> (or people)in Europe (since I will drive the car to Russia) that sell 110.

Rovers North in this country (Vermont) will sell whatever new Land Rover
you want, for use outside the United States.  Phone 802-979-3534.  They
also have a Web Site, but I don't remember the address.  Use a search
engine to find "Rovers North"  They will arrange delivery wherever you
would like to pick it up (within reason). 

> Is it possible to get financing? 

Financing on a vehicle destined for Russia (or any country other 
than the country of origin) would be very unlikely.

> How hard (or easy) is it to take the
> car out of (bring in) the country, especially CIS countries.

Exporting is easy, except for the financing part.  For those of us
traveling as tourists it would be fairly easy to enter most countries. 
For a resident of the country returning with a Land Rover, there might be
a few questions about import duties.  Checking with the embassy in
Washington, before making the purchase, would make sense. 

> If there are diesel defenders in US, would you please let me know the
> addresses of the sellers.

I would suggest that you try buying in the United Kingdom (England).  Land 
Rover dealers there can sometimes find left hand drive models, including 
ex-military versions. Some specialize in preparing vehicles for export.  
They advertise in "Land Rover Owner International" and "Land Rover World"
magazines, available at better newstands everywhere.

Rgds,

Walt          * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 
              * Walter C. Swain         | wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us       *
              * Davis Community Network |                               *
              * Davis, California       | 1988 Range Rover- "Lady Jane" *
              * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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From: Inkornoink@aol.com
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 20:30:02 -0400
Subject: Re: First experience

In a message dated 96-05-24 13:05:25 EDT, you write:

>Folks, I recently had the pleasure of riding in and even driving the vehicle
>I want, a 67 109. 
>I must say, the experience of riding in this vehicle on the typical Chicago
>highway 

You didn;t tell us...is the "b***h" for sale?

Hank
1990 RR c (moby)
Inkornoink@aol.com

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Subject: Re: DEF 110 
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 18:05:56 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

In message <bulk.13935.19960529171149@Land-Rover.Team.Net>you wrote:

> Rovers North in this country (Vermont) will sell whatever new Land Rover
> you want, for use outside the United States.  Phone 802-979-3534.  They
> also have a Web Site, but I don't remember the address.  Use a search
> engine to find "Rovers North"  

	Actually it's quite easy.  http://www.roversnorth.com/

Ben
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 21:12:05 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Tanks alot...

K. Mohlenhoff wrote:

>Looking about at the 1971 IIA...I found what appears to be a small 
>triangular tank in front of the LH wheel well.

It was the beginning of the end for Rover in the US.  This was part of the 
"closed" fuel system.  A tube went from the petrol tank to the "expansion
tank" to the charcoal canister in the engine bay to 'flame arrestor' to the 
carb intake. (1970 might have been the first year for these.)  Anway, after 
'74, Rover refused to further modify its vehicles for US EPA rules and left 
- rather suddenly - without so much as a fine fare-thee-well to its dealers.

One should not simply delete/close up the system.  As the filler cap is 
non-vented, eventually, the fuel pump will not be able to pull against the 
vacuum so created.  Vapors/air flow *both* ways in this system.  Cheers

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 21:12:07 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Camel vehicles

I believe that there were at least 36 vehicles on this year's Trophy.  The 
16 national teams driving Discoverys, another dozen Discos as support 
vehicles and a handfull of Defender 110's as ambulances, workshop and parts 
supply vehicles.  Cheers

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 18:38:46 -0700
From: uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Clinton D. Coates)
Subject: Brake adjusters and electric fans

Does anyone know approximately how many degrees "two
clicks of the snail adjuster cam" is?  The notches
the brake adjusters on the back brakes are sorely
munched--enough to keep the thing from moving out
of adjustment, but not enough to hear the setting.
I aim to replace them, but i still need to drive
in the meantime.

Can the serrations be re-filed?

Opinions requested.  Would a kenlowe style electric
fan and a good condition SII petrol radiator be
sufficient to keep a 2.5l diesel cool?

How reliable are these fans anyway?

Is there an easily available (in Canada) radiator
that will fit a few inches forward of the existing
one without butchering anything?

Clinton "a million questions" Coates

--
 __x___x_  /    Clinton D. Coates  uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca    
|__|__|__\/__   
|     |   |_ |  *Emerson* 61 lwb pickup.....mostly runs
  (_)"""""(_)"  *If it doesn't leak, its not a Land Rover*

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 19:43:54 -0600
From: Mage <mage@cia.com>
Subject: Parking Brake

A quick question.... 

How does one tighten the parking brake?  I took a look underneath and 
could not easily see how it was done.  However, if everyone would like a 
good laugh, you should have seen the look on my face when I found out 
that the brake works directly on the rear driveshaft.  I don't know why 
I was so surprised, but I felt like aliens had landed or something.

Thanks for the help,
Rick Robinson

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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 21:21:13
From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS)
Subject: Re: Camel vehicles

>I believe that there were at least 36 vehicles on this year's Trophy.  The 
>16 national teams driving Discoverys, another dozen Discos as support 
>vehicles and a handfull of Defender 110's as ambulances, workshop and
> parts 
>supply vehicles.  Cheers

This seems inherently idiotic to use different vehicles for an overland race. 
(Then again, it's an idiotic grandstand event designed to sell a dangerous 
and unhealthy product: Camel cigarettes) 
If the support truck breaks down where do the spares for it come from? Using 
all the same type of vehicle greatly reduces the amount of spares necessary 
and allows cannibalization of defunct vehicles. Oh well, it's all to sell 
cars and cigarettes. Bad show all 'round. Land Rover should quickly distance 
itself from Camel cigarettes.

Bill Adams
3Dmentia computer animation
4016 Spruell Drive
Kensington, MD 20895
301-949-9475

'66 Land Rover S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel  ...all there

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Subject: Re: Parking Brake 
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 20:02:20 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

In message <bulk.14504.19960529184557@Land-Rover.Team.Net>you wrote:

> How does one tighten the parking brake?  I took a look underneath and 
> could not easily see how it was done.  

	Assuming that yours is similar to the one on my SIII...

	Crawl underneighth.  Laying on you back (head towards the front of 
the rover), looking up at the back plate of the transmission brake at the 
3 o'clock position should be a square stud.  It's a 1/4" (US) whench on mine.
Rotate the the stud clockwise until the the shoes are in firm contact 
with the parking brake drum (so it won't move).  Rotate the stud counter-
clockwise until the drum moves freely.  This adjust the shoes.

	If necessary take any slop out of the linkage.

Ben 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

------------------------------

Subject: Re: Camel vehicles 
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 20:12:30 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

> >I believe that there were at least 36 vehicles on this year's Trophy.  The 
> >16 national teams driving Discoverys, another dozen Discos as support 
> >vehicles and a handfull of Defender 110's as ambulances, workshop and
> > parts supply vehicles.  

> This seems inherently idiotic to use different vehicles for an overland race.

	They aren't racing.  The scoring is in Special Tasks, Team Spirit
(a vote) and an arbitary Land Rover Award.  While on convoy driving the
1000 miles they mostly work together.   The reason for a few D110s is
cargo space.  Besides a lot of the parts are interchange able.  Same engine,
same tranny, probalby the same diffs...

> (Then again, it's an idiotic grandstand event designed to sell a dangerous 
> and unhealthy product: Camel cigarettes) 

	Actually it's a different company and now is supposedly used to sell
"Camel Trophy Adventure Clothing".  I think more people rocognize Joe Camel
that the Camel logo on a Disco (at least in the US that is).

> If the support truck breaks down where do the spares for it come from? Using 
> all the same type of vehicle greatly reduces the amount of spares necessary 
> and allows cannibalization of defunct vehicles. 

	There is always the support helecopters.  This year is seemed that
they had a problerms that necessitated rewelding vehicles.  And the Rovers
are brand new and only have to last 2 weeks.  And again many essential items
are used on both vehicles.

> Oh well, it's all to sell cars and cigarettes. Bad show all 'round. Land 
> Rover should quickly distance itself from Camel cigarettes.

	World Wide Brands, Inc, a whole owned subsidiary of RJ Renyolds Company.
And yes is sells cars.  It shows hundreds of thousands of yuppies that
a Discovery is actually a good off road vehicle.   They could use 
Defenders, or Range Rovers or Series IIIs (and they have), but for the last
7 years they've been using Discos.  I think LR gets a lot of cheap
advertising out of the Camel Trophy.  The Camel trophy seems to me to be
more than the cigarette add that it started. 

	The again, most car events are supported by the cigarette industry...

Ben
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 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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From: Rick.Crider@trellis.net
Date: 29 May 1996 23:40:22 EDT
Subject: I'm  Baaaccckkkkkk.

Greetings again to all.
For those of you with whom I made an aquaintance with here on the list
a while back,  I am now back on the list.    Hope some of the same old
cronies are still on the list.    When I departed,  the "let's split
the list" debate was going full steam.   I see that the list split has
apparently become a reality now.

After having changed local servers,  making several computer upgrades, 
and adding another child (the real, human kind) in February, and
generally getting things in order around here I hope to be able to
again spend time browsing the list, which was an enjoyable treat
before, for late night reading.

My old email address (rickcrider@aol.com) is still active, thought I
don't check it daily......I'll be phasing it out over time.     For any
of you wishing to contact me the new address is:  
rick.crider@trellis.net

A few notes:
Sandy Grice:  The external sun visor fit perfectly, looks and works
great. (Though, I do have to lean over a bit more to see the traffic
lights.  :->)

Hugo, the 109" Slla, that was for sale, is still for sale.   I haven't
marketed Hugo anywhere except here on the list, hence, no callers since
I left the list.

Andy Purser:  Welcome to the List.  I believe you've joined up during
my absence.   Hope you're enjoying it.

Well, enough for now.   Looking forward to enjoying the list again and
learning even more about the 'beasts'.

Cordially:
Rick Crider  KD4FXA
Monroe NC
' 73  SIII  88"     'Jesse'    ....too nice for the intended
purpose.....
' 66  SIIa 109"   'Hugo'   .....still for sale.  But I ain't giving him
away.....
' 65  Slla  88"    'Virgil'  ...Fairly rough, but very usable...and for
sale..$2500...
' 88  Range Rover .........my daily pack mule...and always needs
something....

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 21:05:05 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Washer Jets--Sheesh!

At 11:48 AM 5/29/96 -0700, Jeremy Bartlett wrote:
>You wrote:
>>Hi all,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 17 lines)]
>I recently bought one from RN.  They're also available from the UK.
>cheers,
>Jeremy

I think he has the same ones I have on my 109.  They are little chrome
cylinders that come out of the bonnet an inch or less and have a little arm
that it aimable to put the water where you want it on the windscreen.  I
haven't noticed another like it on  a British car but I suspect that at
least one other mid sixties british car used the same jets.

I think the one you are refering to is the scuttle mounted ones that came
on the neg earth LRs with the single wiper motor.

Nate, maybe someone on the list has a pair on a parts car?

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com   <- NOTE NEW ADDRESS

Celebrating my tenth year on Usenet/Internet

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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 04:21:14 GMT
From: Andy Purser <apurs@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Land Rover by Matchbox

Hello,
     I received a pkg today from Matchbox Collectibles Inc. (USA) that I'd
been waiting to tell everyone about. About 2 weeks ago I saw an ad from
Matchbox advertising Fire Trucks from different countries. They showed a
1948 Land Rover Pickup with a trailer sporting Fire Fighting Equipment all
over. The ad talked as if you had to buy the whole set; 1 a month type deal.
I called and the operator got permission for me to buy just the LR model. I
had to pay right then with plastic or send a check with a letter explaining
I only wanted the LR model. Anyhow, I got it and it is pretty nice. It is
actually marked 1952 Land Rover! It appears to be a good replica of a series
I as used in South Africa or Aust. for brush fire fighting. The LR and
Trailer together are about 6" long, not too big or too small.

     If anyone is interested: Matchbox Collectibles, Inc.   $24.50 US
                              PO Box 639
                              Portland, OR 97207
                              1-800-858-0102

    I'm not trying to sell anything for Matchbox, I just wouldn't want
anyone to miss out, thinking they would have to buy the whole set!

Take Care
Andy
'73 Series III 88" Pickup

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 21:29:21 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Brake adjusters and electric fans

At  6:38 PM 5/29/96 -0700, Clinton D. Coates wrote:
>Can the serrations be re-filed?

Yes you can get out a file and deepen the groves in a snail cam.  Did it
years ago.  They still work fine.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com   <- NOTE NEW ADDRESS

Celebrating my tenth year on Usenet/Internet

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From: John Putnam <jdputnam@pacifier.com>
Subject: RE: A new LR Owner (Fool?)
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 23:01:53 -0700
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From: 	Sharon & Patrick Mulheren[SMTP:keelam@sol.racsa.co.cr]
Sent: 	Wednesday, May 29, 1996 13:12
Subject: 	A new LR Owner (Fool?)

Patrick wrote,

1)  Hot Foot!  The panel (firewall?) by the gas pedal seems to get =3D
extremely hot after the LR warms up a bit.  It's almost too hot to =3D
touch, and causes my foot to sweat considerably.  Firstly, is that =3D
normal (you laugh!)?  If so, would there be any harm in putting some =3D
insulation or something over that area?

A) Yes, this is normal but not a big problem if you drive a righthand =
driver in merry old Great Britian.  The insulation is the only answer.  =
Personaly, I'm getting ready to remove my aftermarket header and =
collector pipe and have it coated in ceramic.  This has been known to =
have work to cool the cockpit various race cars which run much hoter and =
runs about $150.

Good Luck.

John Putnam
'70 SIIa
Beaverton, OR, USA
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From: John Putnam <jdputnam@pacifier.com>
Subject: RE: Impromptu Survey
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 23:04:04 -0700
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From: 	WILLIAM ADAMS[SMTP:IIIDmentia@gnn.com]
Sent: 	Friday, May 24, 1996 11:21
Subject: 	Impromptu Survey

Just out of curiosity:

How many Rover owners are also motorcyclists?

Are there any sailors out there?

Please mail responses to me and save the Roverlist bandwidth.
Results posted soon (I hope).
Thanks.

Bill Adams
3Dmentia computer animation
4016 Spruell Drive
Kensington, MD 20895
301-949-9475

'66 Land Rover S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel  ...all there

I used to be.  I'm now kind of looking for a new bike.

John Putnam
'70 SIIa

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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 08:51:17 +0200
From: bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian Cotton)
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

>From: rotero@ing.puc.cl (Rodrigo Otero)
>Subject: Winch
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>Rodrigo Otero
>rotero@ing.puc.cl

You lucky boy,

I've got the full info on the winch from the manual.

Basically, the winch has a pressure release valve which sets the load
capacity, When we installed the winch into our SII Caboose (South African
extra long LWB and extra high) it was VERY weak. Fiddling with the valve
resulted in a wonderful versatile winch.

Give me some time, I'll photocopy-scan-E-mailit to you direct.

Cheers
Brian 'Lover or original hydraulic and capstan winches' C
South Africa

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Parking Brake 
Date: Thu, 30 May 96 9:10:32 BST

> > How does one tighten the parking brake?  I took a look underneath and 
> > could not easily see how it was done.  
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
> clockwise until the drum moves freely.  This adjust the shoes.
> 	If necessary take any slop out of the linkage.

I suspected a "slackening-off" (?wear) of my hand brake (its British, so
its a handbrake!  :-) ), so I've actually done this one. The manuals say to
do this with the brakes off; Turn clockwise as far as it will go (ie.
the brakes come on), then turn two clicks anti-clockwise.
IIRC a click is equivalent to a quarter turn.

I then went and drove it around the block and tested it on a steep country
lane in Wharfedale (Yorkshire)...     (I was with my parents at the time)

Its slackened off a bit again. I might have to check the linkage.

Richard  (ex-Gurkha SIII FFR currently in "hospital")

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From: Vel Natarajan <nataraja@cig.mot.com>
Subject: Re: How to get it from there to here...
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 05:07:52 -0500 (CDT)

Hi Matt.  Sorry I didn't respond earlier, but I've been travelling
and pretty busy recently.  Anyway...

Matthew J. Clement writes:
>> When I shipped my LR from Southampton to Newark in April, I found
>> out it's incredibly easy.  (Assuming you're talking SIIa or older).
>Yes, we're talking pre-1971, if that's what you mean.

Then it should be no problem.

>> It cost me about $750 for the shippers, and it SHOULD have cost me
>> about $90 for the duty/customs fees for a $3100 vehicle.
>Was that roll-on, roll-off, or did you crate the vehicle?

It was roll-on, roll-off.  My rear taillight was broken
when I picked it up, but I didn't realize it until I had already
taken it to my friends house.

>what the procedure is there.  Assuming I have already paid for the 
>vehicle in Britain in full (I'm exporting a vehicle I already own), and 
>the shipping fees are paid in advance, I believe that all I should have 
>to do is pay the customs charges.  But my questions are:

>  1. Do I have to do anything to the vehicle to "federalise" it?

Nope.  Nothing.

>  2. Do I have to register the vehicle with EPA/DOT/ETC?

Nope.  No registration with any of these groups.

>  3. Can I drive the car from the port to an inspection station, so I 
>     can get it inspected/registered?  Can I apply for 10-day temporary
>     tags to get it to inspection?

I was (am still not POSITIVE about this, but I'll give you my story.).
I was told that I have 30 days to register it in NY.  (I'm leaving it
with a friend in Buffalo until I come back to the US permanently and
drive it to Chicago) Thus, I drove it fron Newark, thru Pennsylvania,
through New York state all the way to Buffalo.  I was passed by a
number of state troopers and none of them even batted an eyelash.  I
had my UK plates, and an oval "GB" country sticker on the back.  (I
also had a Union Jack which was part of my Superwinch overdrive
sticker - just in case some police couldn't figure out "GB" :-) )

Right now, it's sitting in a friend's driveway waiting to be
registered.

>  4. Basically, what EXACTLY happens when I get it Stateside, from when 
>     rolls off the boat until when it is sitting in my driveway, fully
>     registered etc.?

When you ship it, Mann will ask you for a stateside address to send
the letter of notification of arrival.  (I used a friend's address in
Newark - very convenient for me since he lives/works 20 minutes from
the port).  When you arrive in-country, make sure you have the letter.
Then basically follow the instructions on the letter.  Call the
shippers to make sure the vehicle is OK to pick up.  Go to the bank and
get a bank check for the amount it cost to ship the vehicle.  They
only take bank checks or cash.  No Credit Cards.

Then go to customs (for me it was right across the street from the
airport which is 5 minutes from the port).  Bring your V5 registration
form, and shipping form and Receipt of purchase.  Pay your duty + $9
processing fee (duty is 2.5% of value).  For me, the value was $3100,
so I paid about $80 in duty.  If I would have done it myself, it looks
like it would have taken no more than 10-15 minutes going thru
customs.  Don't waste your time with a sleazeball "Import Broker" like
I did.  Get your release forms and then go to the shippers down the
road.  Pay your fee, run the 20 yards back and forth between buildings
to get various papers stamped, and finally go around the corner of the
building to the storage lot to get your baby.  Bring jumper cables (or
your crank handle) just in case the dolts left the lights on or
something.  It didn't happen to me, but just to play it safe.  The
people at the shippers are rude and curt (or have I just been in the
"relaxed" midwest too long :-) ).  Just keep your cool, and keep
smiling until you get your vehicle.

>> I used Mann Transport in Southampton.  The person over there was VERY
>> helpful.  He even gave me a ride to the train station when I dropped
>> my vehicle off.  Ask for Adrian (+44-1703-33-66-44).  But since

>Actually, I'll be down in London as of this summer, so Southampton isn't 
>too far.  Thanks in advance for your help!

No problem.  Email me if you have any more, or specific questions.

Vel

>MATTHEW J. CLEMENT
>Address: 22 Abbey Street, St. Andrews, Fife KY16 9LA, SCOTLAND
>Tel: +44.1334.472669      E-mail: mjc1@st-andrews.ac.uk
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Vel Natarajan                            Phone:  +44-1793-566-323
Motorola Inc.                            Fax:    +44-1793-430-987
Email:  nataraja@cig.mot.com             Mobile: +49-171-854-6670

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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 06:42:42 -0400
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Washer Jets--Sheesh!

Nate Dunsmore asks....

>My 67 SIIa 88" needs new washer jets.  The old ones are mounted on the
bonnet.  No one 
seems to carry the hood mounted jets any longer.  If they're listed in the
FAQ, I've 
called them.  Two questions:
>1.  Any other way to get the replacements?
-

To tell you the truth, the bonnet-mounted jets sound like American
aftermarket add-on parts. I have the ANCO windshield washer mounted in my
IIa. It was a complete kit with resevoir, jets, tubing and a foot-operated
pump. Trico probably also made a similar kit. These may still be available -
you would have to check a NAPA store or something similar. 
The J.C.Whitney catalog may also list something similar. Either way, you
will probably have to buy a complete kit. If all else fails, try the
junkyards and find something that works.

Cheers
Mike

  

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