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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@rad1.pcmail.ingr.com>
Date: Tue, 07 May 96 10:50:00 CDT

Is MajorDomo down?

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 06:21:04 -0700
Subject: test

____________________________________________________________
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1075 Washington St., Peekskill, NY  10566
Phone: (914) 734-4333  Fax: (914) 734-4352
Internet: http://www.OverlandMotors.com

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 19:30:51 -0400
Subject: Swivel Balls

    I already have sought out a couple opinions on this but...
  Being things are so very quiet here I thought I would get some more
opinions about replacement swivel balls.
    Genuine vs Aftermarket........ anyone have any opinions regarding this or
anyone with firsthand experience??
   I plan on keeping this  lla for a long time and tend to think the
aftermarket ones with gaiters will be just fine.
Comments??
Thanks
Steve Bradke

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Date: Mon, 06 May 96 08:35:08 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@INETMAIL.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: Off-Road Driving Instructor

You wrote: 
>Got a flyer in the mail from The Off Road Experience.  Thought this 
>might appeal to all you die-hard off-road fanatics:

>"ORE" is seeking applications for the part time position of Off-Road 
>Driving Instructor.  Must be versed in 4WDs, or willing to learn.  

                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Where do I apply? 

Dave "Still bucking for the lugnut award" B.

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 07:25:36 -0400
Subject: Fwd: Swivel Balls

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Forwarded message:
Subj:    Fwd: Swivel Balls
Date:    96-05-06 22:06:26 EDT
From:    ASFCO

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Forwarded message:
Subj:    Swivel Balls
Date:    96-05-06 19:30:52 EDT
From:    ASFCO

    I already have sought out a couple opinions on this but...
  Being things are so very quiet here I thought I would get some more
opinions about replacement swivel balls.
    Genuine vs Aftermarket........ anyone have any opinions regarding this or
anyone with firsthand experience??
   I plan on keeping this  lla for a long time and tend to think the
aftermarket ones with gaiters will be just fine.
Comments??
Thanks
Steve Bradke

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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 16:56:14 -0700
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Re: Frame Replacement Log, 17

You wrote: 

snip
>The brakes were a bit trickier (of course). 

Yup, been there...

>After that, I wanted to check the cooling system for leaks and flush
>it. Doing that, I discovered my first bug: I forgot to tighten down
>the nut on the temp sensor. 

done that :)

snip
..
>Could someone tell me if I have now a '69 with a body and motor of a
>'66, or a '66 with a frame & bulkhead of a '69? I think, if I go by
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>second...
>Tim

Well if you follow the logic of those cretins in the Calif. DMV you've 
got a '66 because that's the age of the engine and that's all that 
counts.  Of course, the other view is, if you follow the logic of the 
cretins at the Calif. DMV the year is determined by the VIN# and you've 
got a '69 and that's all they look at.  Just as well you're not in 
Calif. :)

cheers,

Jeremy

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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 12:25:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: Old Man Emu springs

This might be worth checking into deeper; I read in one of the 4WD 
magazines recently a test of OME springs on a Jeep Wrangler. So it's not 
just Japanese leaf-sprung vehicles. Try calling OME directly.

Cheers

John Brabyn

On Fri, 3 May 1996, Blair Gillespie wrote:

> At 10:18 AM 5/3/96 -0700, you wrote:
> Michael-
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 30 lines)]
> 1974 S III 88 Land Rover
> 1967 FLH HD
> San Luis Obispo Ca.

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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 23:35:31 -0400
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Splitting the List.

Hey Bill..

Looks like the list split - on the first stage out of Dodge. I tried sending
a help request message last Friday and got no response. I think that
Thursday was the last day I saw any messages - less than 10 at that.

So two questions... Is the Major dead? and exactly what address should be
used for administrative stuff?

Cheers
Mike

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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 12:33:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: BFG Long Trail T/A

I've read a couple of recent messages referring to the above tire in 
205/80/R16 size -- is this actually the case that someone other than 
Michelin makes such a sized tire???

What is the Long Trail T/A tread pattern like? (I am familiar with the 
All Terrain T/A, the Mud Terrain T/A, the Baja T/A and the Trac Edge -- 
none of which as far as I know is available in this size).

And -- are there any other tires available in this size, especially ones 
that can be obtained on the left side of the pond??

Cheers

John Brabyn
89RR

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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 13:14:20 -0600 (MDT)
From: Rob Bailey <baileyr@cuug.ab.ca>
Subject: Digest?

Is it just me, or has the digest died? I haven't recv'd one in quite some 
time now. I've seen other posts about missing digests, but up until now, 
I have always recv'd mine. If someone in the know gets this message, 
please email me.

Thanks,
Rob

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Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 15:10:37 -0400
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: [Fwd: Maiden Voyage]

Message-ID: <318E0D5D.214E@us.net>
Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 10:31:57 -0400
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01Gold (Win95; I)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Subject: Maiden Voyage
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mozilla-Status: 0001

Hi all

Took the Rover on its maiden voyage this weekend.  Maryland
Combined Training Event at Jackson's Hole Farm in Northern 
Baltimore County, Maryland.  It really performed outstandingly.
In and out of 4wd, up hills, down and through creeks and muck. What a
pleasure to have it out and about. 

Question though:  Occasionally when shifting out of 4 hi to 2wd hi, none
of the gears would engage, no grinding, nothing.  I'd shift back into 4 hi
and all would work then back to 2 hi and all would work again.  Is this a
normal idiosyncrasy or does it indicate a problem?

Thanks

Nate Dunsmore
Rocking Horse Farm
Boring, MD 21020
dunsmo19@us.net

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From: "Hugh Grierson" <Hugh.Grierson@trimble.co.nz>
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 09:30:30 +1200
Subject: Re: Maiden Voyage

Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net> write:
> Question though:  Occasionally when shifting out of 4 hi to 2wd hi, none
> of the gears would engage, no grinding, nothing.  I'd shift back into 4 hi
> and all would work then back to 2 hi and all would work again.  Is this a
> normal idiosyncrasy or does it indicate a problem?

Sounds like the transfer box is in neutral.  Happens to me sometimes
and I don't think it's a problem, like you say it usually goes in
second try.

-Hugh
-- 
Hugh Grierson   hugh_grierson@trimble.co.nz  

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@rad1.pcmail.ingr.com>
Date: Tue, 07 May 96 08:37:00 CDT

I checked for L.R. mail this morning, and nothing was there.  Truly a sad 
day .   :(

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767
(in the shop for rust treatment)

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Date: Tue, 7 May 96 19:07:57 +0200
From: Igor Cerutti <igor@tinet.ch>
Subject: Test -  please don't read this boring message

kind regards
------------------------------------------------------------------
Real Name       : Igor Cerutti
Address         : TINET Sagl, Centro Galleria 2, 6928 Manno-Lugano
Country         : Switzerland 
Phone Number    : ++41 91 6108118
Fax Number      : ++41 91 6108119
e-mail          : igor@tinet.ch, http://www.tinet.ch

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From: HMEdwards@aol.com
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 21:02:22 -0400
Subject: test

Test

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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 10:13:52 -0400
From: "Jeffrey A. Berg" <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: Summer Plans

I'm trying to firm up my Summer travel schedule.  Can somebody provide me
with the 'final dates' for the OVLR B-day party and the Downeast Rally?
Right now, I'm hoping to attend both.  (And of course Autumn wouldn't be
complete without a visit to Virginia for the Mid-Atlantic...)

RoverOn!

JAB

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg        Purple Shark Media              Rowayton, CT
                       jeff@purpleshark.com
                        ==================
                   Love is fine until you taste
          This melancholy bouillabaisse called letting go
                                                       --Jimmy Buffett
                                                         

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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 09:34:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Steven Swiger (LIS)" <swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu>
Subject: Email problems

They downed my mail server over the weekend... Can someone please advise
me as the the procedure for getting back on the realtime list?  Please?
Thnx
steve

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Date: Wed, 08 May 96 09:02:10 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@INETMAIL.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Swivel Balls

    I already have sought out a couple opinions on this but...
  Being things are so very quiet here I thought I would get some more
opinions about replacement swivel balls.
    Genuine vs Aftermarket........ snip......
Comments??

I got the Atlantic British Swivel Ball replacement kit, which was 459 bucks US. 
I got two new balls(!!) new top pins, bottom bearings and Railko bushes with 
thrust washers, new halfshaft bearings, and new halfshaft oil seals and swivel 
seals as well as gaiters. I found the quality just from appearance to be okay 
except for the gaiters which seemd a little sloppy, but they worked okay. The 
only thing I didn't like was that I couldn't use the new halfshaft bearings 
since the inside race is a seperate piece that is difficult to remove from the 
halfshaft and the new ones had a slightly smaller O.D. than the old ones. That 
was ok since the old ones were still good. I also couldn't get the pre-load low 
enough even using ALL the shims they gave me, but I guess i could have used some
of the old ones. I just figured things would loosen up over time and that since 
the steering felt ok that I would be alright. (I was). Other than having to 
tighten the swivel ball bolts once I haven't had any problems. I guess it'd be 
nice to have the "security" of GEnuine Parts in such a critical area, but I 
didn't have the cash, so... I'm still holding onto the old ones for repair at 
some later date.

Cheers
Dave "Great Balls of Chrome" B.
72 SIII SWB, CKD.
89 HONDA CIVIC "funmobile"

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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 08:32:01 -0700
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Re: Bizarre Lucas Distributor Diagnosis

You wrote: 

    >There is a potential mix of parts here that can cause the disengagement to
    >happen.
    >Way back in '65 (engine suffix G) the drive for the dist was changed.Also
    >the mounting triangle.
    >The bladed thing is different and the mounting triangular piece is different
    >height. Parts cat. figure 01-50 ref# 23,24 and ref# 18. However the
    >distributor is the same. So if the parts are mixed, the dist blade doesn't
    >go into the drive very far and it becomes a disengaging relationship.
    >So if your parts might be from earlier than 65-G suffix, and the engine is
    >newer, tou meed to sort out which parts you have.
    >The vertical drive gear that mounts to the cam PC figure 01-24 (ref 18 or 21)
    >Is probably the key here,since it is a nuisance to swap.Does the vert. drive
    >gear have splines or a notch? 
    >If you neeed more details,I hope you have a parts catalog, because it will
    >be slightly difficult to describe.If you don't, let me know and I will get
    >mine at the keyboard to answer with.
    >
    >Later, 
    >Bob

As near as I can figure I have mounted a newish triangle mount and clamp (both used 
but "recent") and also a newer distributor to cam connector.  I'll have to compare 
them closely with the originals which are definitely '65s.  However, both the 
original and replacements do have the blade/notch assembly on the drive rather than 
the older spline assembly.

By the way, yes I do have a parts catalog - but not at work :).

I wasn't aware that there were different blade "things"; or are you saying I need a 
different vertical drive mounted to the cam?.  
This definitely sounds like it's contributing to the problem (probably the primary 
problem) since the Turner block is definitely newer than the old one.  

Guess its' time to say hello to the UPS delivery man again :)

Cheers,

Jeremy

P.S. One of the benefits of restoring a land rover is that I know the UPS delivery 
man by name now and he schedules his runs to try and deliver in the early evening 
when I'm home.  Makes me wonder just what percentage of that particular UPS run I 
account for :(

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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 16:28:42 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Thorsten Edgar Klein <kleit001@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
Subject: Is there anybody out there ?

Hallo folks,

excuse me please for wasting your time, but I have not get any digest 
since the 1. mai.
 
Is something wrong with the major or what could it be

Thanks, Thorsten

Thorsten Klein
Mainz, Germany

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From: ChrisF6724@aol.com
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 14:11:40 -0400
Subject: Not getting digest :-(

I was wondering if anyone could tell me how to start recieving the digest
again...
I've tried  "help", "index", etc. in the main body of the message sent to
both "majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net" and "Majordomo@playground.Sun.COM". I
also sent the messages from both my AOL and Compuserve accounts... When I
sent these messages, they were not bounced back, but I've never recieved a
responce...  

I haven't recieved the digest since 5-1-96, and it was intermittant
(sometimes got it, sometimes didn't) for the couple of weeks prior...  The
problems all started when I unsubscribed (went on vacation), and subscribed
when I got back....

I have been able to post (I think????)

Any suggestions?
Chris Fisher
'73 Land Rover 88 Series III (parting out if interested)

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Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 17:09:02 -0700
From: "John Y. Liu" <johnliu@earthlink.net>
Subject: Theory: Realtime List OK, Users Mute

My theory is that the LRO realtime list is fine and we are all standing
around wondering what's wrong with it instead of posting messages.  If all
the "what's going on" messages can get through, surely messages with LR
content can as well.

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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 18:47:09 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: LRO Lists

> Actually, I am on the realtime list, and that is not working either. 
> Others have confirmed the same.

I have been getting messages from the realtime list.  Oh well.

> Bill C. is in the UK on business at the moment, so cannot investigate, 
> but is aware that Majordomo has gone down.

I guess the major decided to take a vacation -- when the cat's away, the 
major will play.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 11:54:58 +0800
From: Oscar <omont@mnl.mnl.sequel.net>
Subject: Sightings

White Series truck in Aetna ad.

Oscar
omont@mnl.sequel.net

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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 21:51:37 -0700
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Re: Bizarre Lucas Distributor Diagnosis

You wrote: 

>**No there is only one blade type. The old spline and new blade types are
>quite different but some of the parts can be mixed.they are two distinctly
>different types, and if you had the blade on the old engine, then the new
>"should" be the same.

OK. This is what I'd understood from the parts catalog.

snip
>I just compared the old and new, I see about 3/8" difference, with the old
>type being taller and so the mount plate is taller also.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>I used one of the thinner gaskets.
>Bob

Hmm.  This is getting a bit odd.  When I noticed the problem I did estimate the 
engagment of the blade by looking at the rotor and it seemed a rather less than 
1/4".  However, the distributor seemed not to be seating completely into the 
block by a comparable amount.  I attributed this to the deformation of the 
clamp and clamp area; hence my suspicion that this was the primary problem.

Maybe I have the thicker base (triangular) piece, but I don't think so.  This 
would seem a bit strange since it is listed as only used on the spline drive 
type which I never had.

To answer your question on the gaskets, yes I'm currently using the thin 
version so that can be ruled out.

'Guess I'll find out tomorrow (when the new distributor is scheduled for 
delivery) and the weekend when I'll realistically have time to try fitting it.

Thanks,

Jeremy

P.S.  Hope you don't mind multiple copies.  I figured others might be 
interested so I'm continuing to cross post to the lists.

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