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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 12:27:29 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Fuel mixing

Kids, *don't* try this at home.  Cheers
Aaaaw,dad!Go on dad! I wanna try this! Pleeeese dad.I can use my own
chemistry set,honest!
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Alan Richer <Alan_Richer.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 14 Mar 96  7:47:13 EST
Subject: Re: Fuel mixing

Actually, i've tried this myself with no engine adjustments with success.

I had 6 or 7 gallons of Diesel fuel to get rid of after it came out and the 
petrol rig went into my 109.I ended up adding it at a 10% concentration to my 
fuel, with little effect other than a bit of smoke when the engine was cold.

In the previously-mentioned mix (gasoline, kero and white gas AKA COleman fuel) 
I wonder what effect the Coleman would have here. I've tried burning this stuff 
in a lawnmower and it knocked like hell, and made the mower almost impossible 
to turn off - in ran on foreverrrrrr.........

What exactly is the wretched octane of that stuff anyway?

       ajr

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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 07:47:21 -0600 (CST)
From: David Place <dplace@SIRNet.mb.ca>
Subject: Re: Scrounging the JC Whitney Boneyard

I noticed another part in Whitney up until about the last catalogue.  It 
was the locking hubs for our vehicles.  I have called JC Whitney when 
somethng goes out of the catalogue and they still have them but just 
don't list them.  It is worth a try and their prices are very good even 
in Canada.  Dave VE4PN

Does anyone have the Camel Trophy VHS when it was run with series 
vehicles?  I have almost all of the tapes in the past 10 years but mine 
start just when the Range Rover was tried and then we are into more 
modern vehicles.  I would like to have the Ser III race at least.  
Thanks  Dave VE4PN

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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 07:52:34 -0600 (CST)
From: David Place <dplace@SIRNet.mb.ca>
Subject: Re: IIA Wing Panel Wanted(Desparately!)

What side are we talking?  I have a wing in my garage off I think a IIA 
diesel so it should be fine.  I could put it on the bus.  Dave VE4PN  
P.S. Octopus Motors in Vancouver Canada will have one and Malcolm 
Engleman in Alberta also.

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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 15:30:55 +0200
From: bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian Cotton)
Subject: LR Sighting

We spotted a neat looking LR in a true story based TV movie called 
"Who killed (Oops I forgot!)" Anyway, is was about a rich man living on a
tropical island and gets killed by ? because he is opposed to development on
the island.
The movie is set in the 50's but they where driving a neat little SIII !!
Shame, the continuity man / producer must have been on leave.

Cheers
____________________________________________________________________________
_____________
\	Brian Cotton	Land Rover Owners Club of Southern Africa			/
/	 LR S3 TD INTERCOOLED LWB CAMPER						\	
\	  LR S3    DIESEL	     SWB PUP  						/
/	   http://www.lia.co.za/users/liadir/cotton.htm					\		
\											/		
/     	 "Every man is an end in himself, he exists for his own sake,			\	
\ 	and the achievement of his own happiness is his highest moral purpose."		/	
/ 	- Ayn Rand                                                            		\
\___________________________________________________________________________
____________/

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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 07:56:12 -0600 (CST)
From: David Place <dplace@SIRNet.mb.ca>
Subject: Re: LR on TV

Can someone give me enough information on the Land Rover show the 
appeared on UK television so I can go to my local TV types and have them 
order it for special showing.  The local Public TV outlet will do this if 
they get a request.  Thanks Dave VE4PN

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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 07:57:59 -0600 (CST)
From: David Place <dplace@SIRNet.mb.ca>
Subject: Re: Fuel mixing

Up in my part of Canada, some fellows add diesel fuel to the petrol from 
time to time just to free up sticking rings and clean the valves.  They 
say it works great.  I think about a cup to a 10 gal. tank is the right 
mix.  Dave VE4PN

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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 96 09:07:38 EST
From: rdl@NomuraNY.COM (Rob Legerio)
Subject: Re: Scrounging the JC Whitney Boneyard

 
Last year when I was looking for a new nut-riveter, J.C. Witney
was the only place I found that had it or even knew what one was.

Does anyone know of another source for hard to find tools?  I'm
looking for a place that has a wider selection of steel and aluminum
rivet-nuts than J.C. Whitney.

thanks,
Rob 

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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 09:29:44 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: Imports

Dear All,
        Hey thanks guys for all jumping with the bits of import information
that I forgot, Dixon, others, etc. I still got a few people emailing me
direct that actually said, * but they say the way they do it is legal *
Some people never learn. Dixon what was it you told me a few weeks ago
about a certain circus owner who said...* There's one born every minute *
        I checked with the DOT this morning about the list that someone put
down for building and inspecting certain Rovers. There is more to it. Tests
must be carried out at only a few certain facilities around the US. The
tests cost major bucks, bucks that make it not worth doing, and I was told
the schedules run about a year or so. The tests also are said to require a
letter from LRNA that states that the vehicle, although built for another
market with certain conversions will meet all US specs. LRNA told me
directly that they will NEVER supply these letters to the DOT. They simply
do not want the vehicles in the US.
So yes we Americans have some things good... cheap gas... the
fact that Pat Buchanan is NOT going to be president... etc., but we don't
have cheap or easy access to the cool newer Rovers, like most other
countries. As Dixon says... anything can be done... but don't be fooled.
        Today's US import date is March 14, 1971. Anything with a date of
manufacture after that is not legal to import to the US. No grey areas.
        See ya.

Mike Smith, East Coast Rover Co.

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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 14:31:35 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Nearing Journey's End

I have received a letter(Hmmm..letter,not aerogram,isnt technology wonderful)
from Andy Grafton,dated "End Feb '96".They are now in South Africa,both motors
well and happy.Route: Kruger Park to Durban,then all the way down the coast
to Cape Town.Entry point was Beitbridge Crossing(??).
They had just spent two days fixing a 2.6 6cyl 1961 SW on a farm.
Some people just *look* for work.....
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: "Ron Franklin" <oldhaven@mail.biddeford.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 10:04:04 -0500
Subject: Re: Scrounging the JC Whitney Boneyard

 
Last year when I was looking for a new nut-riveter, J.C. Witney
was the only place I found that had it or even knew what one was.

Does anyone know of another source for hard to find tools?  I'm
looking for a place that has a wider selection of steel and aluminum
rivet-nuts than J.C. Whitney.

I've had a lot of luck finding hardware exotica and just 
about anything else in materials, metals, fasteners etc., etc. from 
McMaster-Carr Supply 
P.O. Box 440
New Brunswick, NJ 08903-0440
(908) 329-3200

They aren't the cheapest place to get things, but they have a 2700 page 
catalog which will give you great ideas just browsing, and they offer next 
day service, at least in my part of the world.
e.g. They list threee full pages of rivet-nuts and setting tools.

Ron Franklin

Bowdoin, Maine, USA

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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 09:08:24 -0600 (CST)
From: ccray@showme.missouri.edu
Subject: Re: Fuel mixing

On 14 Mar 1996, Alan Richer wrote:
> In the previously-mentioned mix (gasoline, kero and white gas AKA COleman fuel) 
> I wonder what effect the Coleman would have here. I've tried burning this stuff 
> in a lawnmower and it knocked like hell, and made the mower almost impossible 
> to turn off - in ran on foreverrrrrr.........

the rumor i heard was that coleman fuel (aka, white gas) is actually	
nolead.  white gas was available years ago alongside leaded gas, but
now it isn't.  anyone want to confirm/deny this.  i haven't run
out of coleman fuel yet, but when i do, it is going to be a 
tough decision to buy a new can when i can use unlead straight
from the fuel pump off the 2.25l.

ray harder (siia 88 (lulu))

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Date:     Thu, 14 Mar 96 9:42:41 EST (1442Z)
From: LTC Larry Smith <smithla@arngrc-emh2.army.mil>
Subject:  Re:  Fuel mixing

Alan,

That's why its known as "white gas", its
the original no-lead, without all the no-knock
additives, etc. that are found in current
pump grade no-lead.  Seems lead clogged
up the generator tube that vaporizes the
gas in the lanterns and stoves.

Had the problem with the "Coleman" lanterns
we have in the Army.  Had to keep lots of
generator tubes in the supply system.  Now
we have no-lead "MOGAS", so the problem has pretty
much gone away.

Interesting to note, the Army is trying to
go to "one fuel" on the battlefield.  However,
everyone seems to forget the little comfort
things for the troops that still run on
gasoline.

'til later,

Larry Smith
'72 SWB Petrol - Grover
Chester, VA
smithla@arngrc-emh2.army.mil

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Date:     Thu, 14 Mar 96 9:52:56 EST (1452Z)
From: LTC Larry Smith <smithla@arngrc-emh2.army.mil>
Subject:  Re:  Scrounging the JC Whitney Boneyard

To all,

As to another source for Rivet Nut setters, you might
try Griot's Garage 1-800-345-5789.

They list two kits:  50403 for $81.95 or 50401 for $53.95

If you are a gadget freak, this is a great catalog
but, the prices are kinda steep.

Larry

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 10:37:32 -0500
Subject: Subscribe real-time list

Subscribe real-time list

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 09:44:28 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Scrounging the JC Whitney Boneyard

> Does anyone know of another source for hard to find tools?  I'm
> looking for a place that has a wider selection of steel and aluminum
> rivet-nuts than J.C. Whitney.

McMaster-Carr. However you can't get a catalog (at least it's hard, 
they're very restrictive on who they send them to). If you have a friend 
that works in a machine shop or the like, you may get them to give 
you an old one.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: Vel Natarajan <nataraja@cig.mot.com>
Subject: Re: SUV advertising
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 09:50:07 -0600 (CST)

>From: Harincar@mdms.com (Tim Harincar-MS)

>Its funny, really. You see the nissan's in "africa", explorer's in the   
>mountians, jeeps crawling over rocks, etc, etc...

>Then you see the LR ads and they expound the virtues of hauling your kids   
>around. Go figure...

It looks like LR is advertising to people that their vehicle which
everyone knows has proven itself over the past 40+ years as being a
Africa-crossing, stream-fording, camel-trophying down-n-dirty 4x4, can
also be used to safely take the kids to school.

And in the same way, the Pathfinder and Explorer and Cherokee (which
EVERYONE knows has over the past few years extensively proven
themselves as workhorses at dropping the kids off at school, and
negotiating mall parking lots) are now being marketed to differentiate
themselves from the minivans which are used for the same purpose as
these vehicles.

Vel 
'66 SIIa SWB

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From: Harincar.2@mooregs.com (Tim Harincar-MS)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 09:49:56 -0600
Subject: FW: frame up rebuilds

Steve wrote...

> Doing major overhauls is a good way to loose weight. The problem it
> leaves you with is where do you sit to make brum brum noises.

I sit on a stool that's placed in the chassis. I get a better feel for
the complete vehicle that way... :-)
    

> I am going to lie down now.

Under the old truck? Wear your safety goggles. Keeps rust dust and flakes
out of your eyes.

> WARNING - STRIPPING LAND ROVERS TO A BARE CHASSIS CAN BE DAMAGING TO
>           YOUR MENTAL HEALTH!

This is news? :-)

And Bill wrote...

> Unless one persues this kind of behavior professionally, or has an
> unlimited budget, it usually winds up that the disassembled victim lies   

> around the garage or basement waiting for the owner to find a few   
minutes
> here or there to clean up a rusty part every once in a while.

No,no,no,no! See, here are a number of "motovators" that keep things   
moving:
First, don't do it *your* garage. You have control over that, and if you
leave your other cars outside, its your business. But if you do the   
rebuild
in your *neighbors* garage, since your's is only a single stall, you have
to deal with the fact that its her car out in the snow and you feel   
guilty
so you keep working. Plus she gave it to you *free*, thinking it was only
going to be the winter...

Secondly, do it when its your daily driver, and the alternative is   
driving
the Saturn station wagon. If you want to project a 'grocery getter' image
to all your friends, no problem. But if you've constructed your personal
image around your rover, the wagon, while the smooth ride and HP are   
nice,
just doesn't cut it. Better yet, have your wife drive you to work in the
wagon and drop you off right at the front door, reminding all your co-
worker friends that you were nuts enough to take *your* car apart.

Also, do it while your still making payments on it. You went to all that
energy to convince your bank that giving you a loan for a 30 year old
beast - ahem, "classic" - was a good idea, now you have to justify   
yourself. Also, those monthly checks for payments and insurance remind   
you that you're *not driving it* but still have the same expenses.

Do it alone. Then you can piss and moan about your "friends" not helping
and gloat when your done.

And, plan a big party, maybe combine it with your 30th birthday,
for when its done. Give yourself a nice, firm deadline and then tell
*everyone*. Send out invites even. This is a great motovator. You
don't want all those people asking if the pile of parts is what the
party's for, right?

Oh, make sure your VISA's current, too.

:-)

Tim
 ---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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Subject: Re: Scrounging the JC Whitney Boneyard 
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 08:09:59 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

In message <bulk.24382.19960314054640@Land-Rover.Team.Net>you wrote:

> Does anyone have the Camel Trophy VHS when it was run with series 
> vehicles?  I have almost all of the tapes in the past 10 years but mine 
> start just when the Range Rover was tried and then we are into more 
> modern vehicles.  I would like to have the Ser III race at least.  
> Thanks  Dave VE4PN

	Years ago I borrowed a BETA format tape from Rover's North that had
a 30 to 40 minute documentary on the Camel Trophy up to just before the
Madagascar one.  They might let you borrow the tape...

	(Someone else is borrowing my copy right now)

Ben
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 10:17:31 -0600
From: William Owen <IB011CA@smtpaoc.tsc.state.tn.us>
Subject:  LR on TV -Reply

There was a show on either discovery channel or TLC the other night
about elephants.  In one scene, a researcher drove his LR up to a
tranquilized baby elephant to inject it with an antidote while it was being
guarded by its very large mother.  The mother charged the LR, Slammed
its crossed tusks into teh front and violantly pushed it back what
seemed like fifty yards (the cameraman was in the LR which had no
top).  
The researcher then drove away.  :)

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From: Atlanta67@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:19:38 -0500
Subject: RE:WAIT A MINUTE

With all due respect to any of those with different opinions. Renewed
Traditions does NOT import illeagle vehicles to the United States of America.

I will expound in brief: It is completely legal to restore a pre-1969 Land
Rover, it is perfectly legal to do mechanical upgrades to a pre-1969 Land
Rover, it is perfectly legal to do cosmetic upgrades to a pre-1969 Land
Rover. It is perfectly legal to take every appropriate mechanical piece off
of a Stage 1 V-8 and apply them to a pre-1969 Land Rover.Then once you have
upgraded the interior and front end you have a PERFECTLY LEGAL STAGE 1 V-8. I
understand the problems people have had in the US with people trying to sell
them D110 and D90's. We do not import true D110's and D90's. We can and do
build vehicles to D110 and D90 spec, but again all pre-1969.

We have been doing business in England for 10 years and export vehicles to
over 17 countries. We average around 50 vehicles a month out of that
facility, and I welcome the inspection of any subscriber to the list and or
any customs, DOT, or EPA employees.

Thank you all for your continued interest and support in increasing the Land
 Rover population in America

Sean Sinkule
Renewed Traditions
(770)-392-1593
E-mail ATLANTA67@AOL.COM
WWW:   http://users.aol.com/atlanta67/renewed.htm

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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 08:25:38 -0800
From: Russ Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel mixing

I ran out of money in norther MI, and had to use coleman fluid to
drive home. Knocked like hell, but got me home.
Russ

At 12:25 AM 3/14/96 -0500, you wrote:
>        Clinton Coates wrote:
>> a) has anyone tried this?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 25 lines)]
>      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
>      *-----------------------------------------------------*
Russ Burns
cisco/Ford
313-317-0451

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Date:  Thu, 14 Mar 1996 10:42:00 -0500 
From: "christian (c.j.) szpilfogel" <chrisz@bnr.ca>
Subject:  re: Zen and Wait a minute 

>From: Harincar@mdms.com (Tim Harincar-MS)
>Coil sprung owners are more like his traveling partner with the BMW bike.   
>He puts his faith in modern engineering and superior workmanship to get   
>him where he wants to go without problems.

   Careful with the generalisation! Some of us Discovery owners will not
   only become one with the mechanics but we will try to deal with our
   electronics on a super-concious plane :-). My only concern is whether
   trying to become one in the Lucas realm will drive a man insane :-/.

>From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
>	Let's simplify...
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>		Discoveries
>		post '71 Range Rovers

   Dixon, are you suggesting that a Canadian moving to the US with his NAS
   Disco/D90/RR can not take his loved one with him? For that matter a series
   vehicle (another loved one)? I know someone moving to Canada that has had
   the vechicle for more than 2 years can bring it with him.

Cheers,

   -Christian
    '72 SIII 88"
    '95 Discovery

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Christian Szpilfogel
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
chrisz@bnr.ca   Work: (613) 763-5713   FAX:  (613) 765-4855           
---------------------------------------------------------------
My Opinions are my own and you may borrow them, if you wish, 
but I want them back when you're done.

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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 09:00:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Roberts <psu00712@odin.cc.pdx.edu>
Subject:  Repainting...or not!

> I am interested in repainting my 73 ser III.  I live in the Pacific Northwest
> USA and wonder how much I can expect to pay for a quality job.  Does anyone
> have suggestions about finding a shop with experience and knowledge in
> painting Land Rovers. I'm down to bare aluminum.

Don't do it!  It won't rust and you can rub out your off-road-rashes with 
metal polish...  Just an idea.

Michael
Portland, Oregon

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 14 Mar 96 12:07:38 EST
Subject: re: Zen .....

>From: Harincar@mdms.com (Tim Harincar-MS)
>Coil sprung owners are more like his traveling partner with the BMW bike.   
>He puts his faith in modern engineering and superior workmanship to get   
>him where he wants to go without problems.

And chrisz @ bnr.ca ("christian (c.j.) szpilfogel") replies:

   Careful with the generalisation! Some of us Discovery owners will not
   only become one with the mechanics but we will try to deal with our
   electronics on a super-concious plane :-). My only concern is whether
   trying to become one in the Lucas realm will drive a man insane :-/.

In a word, yes. Why do you doubt this? Having been one with my 109 for far too 
long now, it is my esteemed opinion that Lucas electrics are a bad joke that 
britain foisted on the world as revenge for the loss of its Empire holdings....

I personally like the comparison to "Zen.....", except for the fact that the 
guy who wrote it was a schizophrenic who went through ECT soon before writing 
it.....scares me more than a bit when I find myself agreeing with 'im.

     ajr

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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 12:34:25 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: RE:WAIT A MINUTE

On Thu, 14 Mar 1996 Atlanta67@aol.com wrote:

> With all due respect to any of those with different opinions. Renewed
> Traditions does NOT import illeagle vehicles to the United States of America.

	To play devil's advocate here, while everything you later say is
	true, why do you list Series III vehicles in your many adverts
	that you have sent out when, to my knowledge, there are not that 
	many about in the UK with a build date before March 14th 1971?

> understand the problems people have had in the US with people trying to sell
> them D110 and D90's. We do not import true D110's and D90's. We can and do
> build vehicles to D110 and D90 spec, but again all pre-1969.

	The problems in the United States have been centred around those who
	believed they were buying pre-1968 Series IIA 109 station wagons
	and got mid 1970's Series III station wagons instead.

	The grey area is where does the Government draw the line.  As one
	conversation I had with my insurance people many years ago...

	"I can't change the VIN numbers from this blue 1976 Mini 1000
	 to another blue 1976 Mini 1000 that I have?"
	"That is correct"
	"Can I change the engine/gearbox without problem?"
	"Yes"
	"Can I change both sub-frames and attachments?
	"Yes"
	"Can I change the interior?"
	"Yes"
	"Can I change the body shell?"
	"Yes"
	"So, I can change everything which amounts to moving the VIN plate
	 over, but I can't move the VIN plate?"
	"That's correct"

	Suffice it to say, I did have a lot of Blue Austin Mini's.  Sadly,
	the last is scheduled to go this Spring (in exchange with a 
	convertable body shell) for another IIA 109 station wagon.  Not
	to worry, the '68 Cooper S is not going anywhere.

	Rgds,

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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 13:17:01 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: re: Zen and Wait a minute 

On Thu, 14 Mar 1996, christian (c.j.) szpilfogel wrote:

>    Dixon, are you suggesting that a Canadian moving to the US with his NAS
>    Disco/D90/RR can not take his loved one with him? For that matter a series
>    vehicle (another loved one)? I know someone moving to Canada that has had
>    the vechicle for more than 2 years can bring it with him.

	This is a whole different realm of law.  I do know that up to a few
	years ago you could bring in your vehicle if you were moving
	(returning or immigrating) to the USA.  I do not know what the
	restrictions are today, if they have changed et cetera.  Canada
	and the USA have very different rules and regulations on this stuff.
	We have a simple "Built before March 1981" bring it in and pay
	some duty (about 7%), "Built before March 1971" bring it in
	duty free.  "Built after March 1981", don't even bother unless
	you are returning/immigrating etc to Canada.  Add to the post
	1981 mix all the NAFTA rules to further complicate things.

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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 10:32:14 -0800 (PST)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: re: Jimmy Patrick email addr

Do any of you good Series folks know the email address of Jimmy Patrick, 
the new editor of the Aluminum Workhorse? I thought I had it but my 
message to him was received by a Jim Phillips. Many thanks for your help

Cheers

John Brabyn

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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 13:48:09 -0500 (EST)
From: m8f@ornl.gov (M Scott Fugate)
Subject: Frame Spruce-Up

Spring is almost here and I've compiled a list of jobs to tackle on the IIa.
The old boy has performed faithfully through a rough Fall and Winter and
some TLC is now due.  

The primary job is a general spruce-up of the frame.  I've got a lot of
peeling paint, and some outside rust in various places.  Has anyone tried
any of the various "rust killers" such as Eastwood's stuff or the Hirsch
(sp?) snake oil advertised heavily in Hemming's?  I've always used the
"Extend" stuff found at Walmart and everywhere else, but would be willing to
pay the price if there's a better product.   By the way, coating the frame
with used 90 wt or oil from the fryer from a fish n chip shop, or some other
concoction is not acceptable to me.  I want it clean, dry, and slick.  Also,
this isn't new ground, I know, but does anyone know of a black brush-on
paint that's in between flat and gloss?  Eastwood sells the proper "chassis
black" in spray cans (expensive, but good), but I prefer to brush if possible. 

I also have developed a leak between my brake master reservoir and the
master itself.  I've had the old tie strap fix on for a year or so, but it
looks like a replacement is finally inevitable.  Can this be done
successfully, and if so, got any tips?  When I took the reservoir off a
couple of years ago, the rubber seal between the two parts was just about
shot.  Dripping fluid is stripping the paint on my mud shield.

Finally, I've got a hankering for a soft top, but not the budget to buy the
new parts.  If anybody in the States has a stick kit or a good canvas
they're willing to part with, PLEASE let me know.  I also might entertain
importing a stick kit from the UK, maybe less the hoops.  I believe I could
make my own hoops out of electrical conduit.  That might save a bunch on
carriage.  Opinions?  Would the guy who signs off as "Florida Rover Canvas"
please send me a price list?

Thanks for your collective advice.  Sorry for Taylor-esqe barrage of
questions.  Guess I've been saving up.  

Scott Fugate
1970 Series IIa 88
1989 RR (sshhh! Don't tell anybody)

BT

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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 20:31:35 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Eezybleed

Dear all - is Eezybleed still available in the US? In the UK? A friend is 
leaving for the States on Saturday, and she could get it if its not too much 
of a hassle. Any chains? Large shops?

I'll be in the UK in April, so I could get it there if it's still available.

Thanks in advance
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)

------------------------------

From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 13:58:29 GMT -0600
Subject: re: Zen and Wait a minute 

DIxon writes
snip
> 	restrictions are today, if they have changed et cetera.  Canada
> 	and the USA have very different rules and regulations on this stuff.
snip
You said it.. For instance, as far as Canada is 
concerned, I have dual citizenship, Canada and US. Not so in the US, 
they only recognize my US citizenship. I guess if I ever move back to 
Canada, I'll never be able to return to the US.
I'm keeping a close eye on Buchanan.

(Land Rover related because I'll join one of the Canadian LR clubs)

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 15:08:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: re: Zen and Wait a minute 

On Thu, 14 Mar 1996, Tom Rowe wrote:

> You said it.. For instance, as far as Canada is 
> concerned, I have dual citizenship, Canada and US. Not so in the US, 
> they only recognize my US citizenship. I guess if I ever move back to 
> Canada, I'll never be able to return to the US.

	Ahhh, not entirely true.  You can have both USA and Canadian
	citizenships, but only under certain conditions.  The first is
	that you must be born with both.  You cannot acquire another
	after you are born (IE mommy is a Yank, daddy is a Canuck, you
	are registered as a Yank and Canuck with both gov't at the time)
	As far as the US govt is concerned, you can't hold high military,
	judicial, or political office without automatically losing your
	USA citizenship.  You can however do a lot of things, including
	vote in Canadian elections.  (This all changed about 15 years ago
	when a dual Can/USA chap voted in a Canadian election and told the
	US gov't about it for some reason.  He was stripped of his US 
	citizenship.  He sued, got to the US Supreme Court and won.

> I'm keeping a close eye on Buchanan.

	Why?  The idea of a Great Wall between Canada and the USA is
	kinda amusing... :-)

> (Land Rover related because I'll join one of the Canadian LR clubs) >

	You basically have two to choose from.  (We Canadians like simple
	choices... :-)  Well... three official national flags, two languages,
	...)

------------------------------

From: SACME@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 15:20:12 -0500
Subject:  frame up rebuilds

On Wed, 13 Mar 1996 Steve Reddock said:
>Doing major overhauls is a good way to loose weight. The problem it
>leaves you with is where do you sit to make brum brum noises.(etc., etc.)

Great piece, Steve!  
Because of shortage of cash, I took about 5 years to do my frameover, which
really means the "LR Kit, some assembly required" slowly expanded to fill
into and behind every other non-LR piece of "junque" (which means really neat
stuff that I found or got on sale ten years ago - not to be confused with
"junk") for a period of at least 4 years, then I got started.  It was a
virtual treasure hunt - looking for the pieces took 80% of the time!

It all paid off, however, when I brought the newly painted and re-tired
wheels home and realized that there was nothing to prevent me from taking the
car off the jackstands, starting it, and driving out into the pouring rain,
even if I hadn't fitted the top (roof, windows, etc.) yet.  The lump wasn't
registered yet, so all I could do was go back and forth in the driveway,
tooting the horn and howling with glee!!  What rain?  I didn't even notice
it!

Hang in there, Steve!  If you need encouragement, give me a call.  It *will*
be worth it, believe me.  That first easing out of the clutch on the newly
framedover is a real high. 

All the Best, 

Doug (how come I have so many parts left over?) Scott
2 ea. Series III, and unabashed BB Booster    
  

------------------------------

From: SACME@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 15:22:00 -0500
Subject:  frame up rebuilds

On Wed, 13 Mar 1996, Bill Adams said:
>This savant philosophy is not restricted to Rovers. Rebuilding any car or 
>truck from the rubber up is an undertaking that should be measured in years.
>I thought about it several times and was lucky enough to have talked myself 
>out of it. (truncated here by Doug)  Are you really saving money doing it
this way? >Sometimes its better to pay a few thou up front for a car you can
enjoy driving and not >a heap you have to spend 1000 hours cleaning up.
>BTW, this applies to boats as well.
 
Bill:  

Having both the LR and boat addictions, I agree totally with your cautionary
thoughts.  At the same time, if you caught my bandwidth in reply to Steve
Reddock, the satisfaction which is possible from doing, and completing, a
frameover can make all the work very worthwhile.  I'm sure we would agree,
it's a "personal equation".  For me, doing the LR frameover (it's my only
transport) was an opportunity to stick my tongue out at the ridiculous
expense and turnover of conventional steel-bodied cars which, at least here
in Maine, usually wind up junked not because of mechanical failure, but
because of body rust.  I've had it with "built in obsolescence" and cars that
can't be worked on by their owners, even if they wanted to!

One thing I do know - I sure won't take 5 years to accomplish the next
frameover, if I can help it.  It has to be a whole lot easier if you bang it
right through.

All the Best,

Doug (hope I can keep it running forever) Scott
2 ea. Series III and still think the BB is a darn good idea.

------------------------------

From: SACME@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 15:20:24 -0500
Subject: bleeding heaters

JDolan suggests a neat way to bleed a heater, but in all the times I have
removed and refitted my heater core, drained and refilled the coolant, etc.,
I have never had a problem with an airlock in the heater.  Mine is a Series
III - perhaps it is a different heater configuration than the one being
discussed, in which case I apologize for this ill-fitting response - but it
seems like the water circulation velocity is sufficent to drive any trapped
air out after a few minutes of running the engine.  

Happy Heating!

Doug (stickin' his nose in again) Scott
2 ea., etc., etc., BB and all that stuff. 

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 15:38:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: frame up rebuilds

I was just an accomplice on a frame up rebuild that was done in about 80 
or so days.  It took a ton o cash and a steady pipeline from Rovers North 
but it was an interesting undertaking.  I can honestly say that after 
working on my well used oily best laying on the ground holding a 
flashlight in my teeth and then going over to my friends heated 
indoor(part of the house) garage and working with brand new parts or used 
parts that he had cleaned and repainted...IF I were to ever decide to do 
a frame up I would have to say that I'd try like hell to save a box of 
cash and do the whole thing right all at once....just a thought.

Russ

"The Pig"
67 swb

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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 15:48:47 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: Bush Rangies

Dear all,
        A gentleman just stopped by our shop with a video tape and some
shots of an Austrailian product called a Bush Rangie. Looks pretty cool,
basically a fiberglass body shell for a Range Rover. Looks like a Dune
Buggy and Sport Utility cross. Anyone on the list in Austrailia know about
these things, or where to get more info.
        Thanks.

Mike Smith, East Coast Rover Co.

------------------------------

From: Simon Barclay <sbar@jna.com.au>
Subject: RE: Bush Rangies
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 96 08:27:00 EST

Hi there Mike

They are made by a guy called John Davis in Sydney.  Phone numbers are + 61 
2 679 1180, + 61 2 679 1179 or mobile 018 44 5635 and 018 86 9480.

I pass one occasionally and they sure sound good!!  I believe one or two 
were entered in the Australian Safari last year (local version of the Paris 
Dakar) but I don't know how well they went.

I think they are actually based on an English concept (could be wrong).  He 
starts with a donor vehicle and the cost varies on the quality of this (and 
on what options you want - 5.2 V8 etc..)

Hope that helps....

Simon Barclay
Sydney Australia

'90 5 sp RR
'51 Series 1 (Louie)
 ----------
From: LRO-Owner
Subject: Bush Rangies
Date: Thursday, 14 March 1996 3:48PM

Dear all,
        A gentleman just stopped by our shop with a video tape and some
shots of an Austrailian product called a Bush Rangie. Looks pretty cool,
basically a fiberglass body shell for a Range Rover. Looks like a Dune
Buggy and Sport Utility cross. Anyone on the list in Austrailia know about
these things, or where to get more info.
        Thanks.

Mike Smith, East Coast Rover Co.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 14:35:40 -0800
From: maddeng@Apple.com (gary madden)
Subject: Real Rovers can too have coil springs

Since the list is now split, is it OK for the coil-sprung Defender owners
to hang-out with the Series owners?  After all, Defenders are hardly
plushmobiles, the coil springs merely provide axle articulation from our
perspective...
Gary Madden
Corporate Development
Apple Computer
408-862-7603
maddeng@apple.com

------------------------------

From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 15:55:15 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Real Rovers can too have coil springs

Gary Madden asks:

> Since the list is now split, is it OK for the coil-sprung Defender owners
> to hang-out with the Series owners?  After all, Defenders are hardly
> plushmobiles, the coil springs merely provide axle articulation from our
> perspective...
-
Well gang, what do you think? Should we let him in and show him the 
secret handshake?

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 13:53:45 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: re: Jimmy Patrick email addr

At 10:32 AM 3/14/96 -0800, John Brabyn wrote:
:Do any of you good Series folks know the email address of Jimmy Patrick, 
:the new editor of the Aluminum Workhorse?  Many thanks for your help

 Jimmy Patrick is at <jimmyp@netcom.com>

-Michael Carradine
 VP pro tem, LROA

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 15 Mar 96 10:07:44 EST
From: James Carley <carley@manly.civeng.unsw.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Bush Rangies

Mike wrote:

>        A gentleman just stopped by our shop with a video tape and some
>shots of an Austrailian product called a Bush Rangie. Looks pretty cool,
>basically a fiberglass body shell for a Range Rover. Looks like a Dune
>Buggy and Sport Utility cross. Anyone on the list in Austrailia know about
>these things, or where to get more info.

They're made by John Davis Motor Works in Sydney. Oz was/is one of (if not 
the biggest) RR export markets since ~1972 and John Davis is one of the
RR gurus of Sydney.  Also into all coil sprung LR's (am I allowed to say
this on this list?)

They do all sorts of interesting engineering for LR/RR including upgraded
and enlarged engines, specially developed ECU/black boxes for V8's, improved
steering boxes, disc brake rear ends for pre-Defender 110's, + + + + +.  
If you have the $ they can/will do almost anything.

The Bush Rangie is based on either a RR or Disco chassis and running gear
with a fibreglass body, bigger tyres and reduced overhangs.  They can be had
"new" for as little as ~$AUD 25,000 for a fairly standard 3.5 L second hand
based one to I think ~$AUD 40K for a fancy new one.  The ones I've seen have
had the chassis hot dip galvanised.  They look unbeatable off road.  The
tyres are still 31" X 10.50" X 15" from memory so they're not American macho
wanker truck proportions.

I have no connection with them other than buying a few parts for my 110
and getting advice, but the details are.

John E Davis Motor Works
Amaroo Park Raceway
Annangrove Rd
Annangrove NSW 2156         (~40 km NW of Sydney GPO)
ph 612 679 1179             (from overseas)

Regards

James Carley
Water Research Laboratory
University of New South Wales
Sydney, Australia

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 23:26:46 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: LR on TV

David Place wrote:
> Can someone give me enough information on the Land Rover show the
> appeared on UK television.

The show was broadcast on BBC 2. It was one of a series called "The 
Car's the Star" and this particular edition featured the Land Rover. The 
presenter (Quentin Willson - well known to we petrol-heads that watch 
motoring programmes) ended the show admitting that he was so smitten 
with the Land Rover he bought one - a rather battered Series I.

Hope you get hold of the tape.

-- 
David Olley
.....................................................................................
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
.....................................................................................

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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 18:44:30 -0500 (EST)
From: rovah@agate.net (John Cassidy IV)
Subject: IIA Wing Panel

Thanks to those who responded to my post looking for a front wing panel for
my IIA.  I called Atlantic British yesterday and they had four.  I bought
one @ $89!  These things are getting extremely rare in good condition(at
least that's waht all the dealers say) so if you've got one stashed out
back, keep it for that next project!

Best Regards!  John Cassidy  Bangor, Maine

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 23:50:23 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Bush Rangies

The Aussie Bush Rangie sounds like a copy of the UK made Dakar.
This is made by Dakar Cars Ltd Fax No.: +44-1322-668500  Ask for Barry.
They sell kits starting at 2,00 UK Pounds (about $US3,000) and are 
dropped onto a slighly shortened (at the ends) Range Rover chassis and 
running gear. I think it is the most fun you can have on a Land Rover 
chassis. The 7litre V8 nitro injected version that Barry brought to a 
show last year was a most awesome beast.

He will sell a car fully built for anything from 8,500 pounds 
($13,000) upwards, depending on the age and quality/spec. of the donor 
vehicle.

-- 
David Olley
.....................................................................................
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
.....................................................................................

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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 23:53:42 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Real Rovers can too have coil springs

gary madden wrote:
> Since the list is now split, is it OK for the coil-sprung Defender owners
> to hang-out with the Series owners? 

As far as I am concerned, you are very welcome Gary.
Here we go again. ;-)

-- 
David Olley
.....................................................................................
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
.....................................................................................

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From: kirkwood@strider.fm.intel.com (Clayton Kirkwood)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 16:42:04 -0800
Subject: Re: Real Rovers can too have coil springs

On Mar 14, 11:53pm, David Olley at New Concept wrote:
> Subject: Re: Real Rovers can too have coil springs
> gary madden wrote:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> gary madden wrote:
> > Since the list is now split, is it OK for the coil-sprung
Defender owners
> > to hang-out with the Series owners?
> As far as I am concerned, you are very welcome Gary.
> Here we go again. ;-)

Hey, that's not fair. Why does Gary get to play in this sandbox and
the rest of us coil sprung can't. That's playing favorites...(-;

> --
> David Olley
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> .....................................................................................
>-- End of excerpt from David Olley at New Concept

-- 
Clayton R. Kirkwood, FM1-58, 916 356-5838

------------------------------

From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 21:19:41 -0500
Subject: Re: Eezybleed

>Dear all - is Eezybleed still available in the US? In the UK? A friend is 
>leaving for the States on Saturday, and she could get it if its not too much

>of a hassle. Any chains? Large shops?

I bought a Gunson's Eezibleed in January from Triple C in York, Pa., (717)
854 4081. Haven't finished the brake redo yet so haven't tried it.

David Cockey
Rochester, MI

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 21:40:46 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Fuel mixing

Ray Harder asks...

>the rumor i heard was that coleman fuel (aka, white gas) is actually	
>nolead.  white gas was available years ago alongside leaded gas, but
>now it isn't.  anyone want to confirm/deny this.  i haven't run
-

In the early 1960's my Dad used to run nothing but white gas in his VW
Beetle. He used to buy it at Ameco gas stations (maybe they were called
American back then?) I don't remember his reasons for doing so but I do
remember him also using the same white gas for the Coleman stove and lantern.

Cheers
Mike

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 21:40:52 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: LR on TV -Reply

William Owen sez..

-There was a show on either discovery channel or TLC the other night
-about elephants.  In one scene, a researcher drove his LR up to a
-tranquilized baby elephant to inject it with an antidote while it was being
-guarded by its very large mother.  The mother charged the LR, Slammed
-its crossed tusks into teh front and violantly pushed it back what
-seemed like fifty yards (the cameraman was in the LR which had no
-top).  
-The researcher then drove away.  :)

That show has been on the Discovery channel a number of times. I taped it
once for future enjoyment! If you look real close, you'll notice that the
steering wheel has quite a bend in it after the Rover gets pushed back.

There was also an article on elephants in the National Geographic magazine
on some of the work the same researcher did. One photo shows his Land Rover
fully submerged in water with just the top of the bulkhead above water.
Don't know if it was the same truck.

Cheers
Mike

------------------------------

From: BDaviscar@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 22:05:42 -0500
Subject: Re: 109 parts

In a message dated 96-03-12 12:20:52 EST, you write:

>I have a few parts left from the 74-109 P/U that I parted out.
>Very good frame 2 door $400.

Hi my name is Bruce Davis My Brother is Rob Davis( aka the car doctor)
His email is down right now and he ask me to ask you if you got his last post
about the frame and crating it? I will be in Las Vegas the weekend of the
23-24  of March This maybe an answer to the transport problem if we can work
it out. also I am AWH member please add my e-mail address to your list. I
still have not gotten my first copy yet.

Thanks 
Bruce     Chicago
67  SIIA 88  Patches

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Subject: Land Rover toy news
From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 96 22:05:37 -0500

I was browsing at the toy dept of Zellers tonight. I found a Lego set (i 
beleive the number was 8696) which consist of a vehcile, trailer and 
speed boat. The vehicle looks very much like an early two door Range 
rover.

It costs about 16.99 cdn $, will get one soon. In other news i understand 
Dixon has become the proud owner of two D90's!!

Rgds

Robin

--
Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. |  Ottawa Valley Land Rovers

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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 23:12:22 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Land Rover toy news

On Thu, 14 Mar 1996, Robin Craig wrote:

> It costs about 16.99 cdn $, will get one soon. In other news i understand 
> Dixon has become the proud owner of two D90's!!

	Bit your tongue...  They are not at the 1:1 scale... :-)

	I'll have a 101 and an 80" before a 90"  (A Disco to replace
	the Slaab too...)

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 23:25:35 -0500
Subject: subscribe lro

subscribe lro

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From: 73363.427@compuserve.com
Date: 15 Mar 96 00:06:24 EST
Subject: Series Brake Shoes

One of my more recent projects was an overhaul of my brakes. Two weeks after
replacing all shoes, drums, Front WC, and MC, I went on a rather muddy jaunt to
Tiftonia, TN. I decided to remove all my brand new drums, to clean out the mud
that had accumulated, and was rather distressed to find that several of the
shoes had almost worn to the rivets in the middle. I called RN where I had
purchased the shoes, and after they checked, they noticed that the genuine shoes
that they had did not have the correct curve and therefore were only contacting
on the center portion of the shoe. They sent me a set of Lucas/Girling bonded
shoes to replace them. When I swapped them last weekend, one drum had become
slightly scored from the rivets. That was one month, on a vehicle that is not a
daily driver, probably 400 miles

Just so no one asks, the springs were on correctly, all are fairly new. The
shoes were adjusted 2 clicks back. I even placed my hands on the drums after a
rather long drive, and there was no heat build up. The front shoes, with the new
Wheel Cylinders, were worn just slightly less than the rear. The mud could have
increased the rate of wear, but it was in the drums for the drive home/ trail
ride only. Besides it would not have effected the pattern of wear.

I am sending the old shoes back to RN and they are going to send them to LR to
help sort this out. I will post any info that I find out. Until then if anyone
has changed their shoes recently, I would check them for wear.
  
     -------------------       
    |         |         |
    | _ _ ____|____ _ _ |       Rob Dennis
  O |[___|>>>>>>>>>|___]| O     73363.427@Compuserve.com
   \____===_=====_===____/      Atlanta, GA USA
   |oo   |(_)###(_)|   oo|      (404) 875-4537
   |     |   ###   |     |      
   |     | ####### |     |      1972 SerIII 88
   |_____|_#######_|_____|      1990 RangeRover
  [_______________________]
     EEEI           EEEI

Send By: Rob Dennis 73363.427@Compuserve.com
 On 15-Mar-1996

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From: Mr Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 08:24:30 +0000
Subject: Re: LR on TV

Quoting David Olley at New Concept, from 14 Mar 96

> The show was broadcast on BBC 2. It was one of a series called "The Car's
> the Star" and this particular edition featured the Land Rover. The
> presenter (Quentin Willson - well known to we petrol-heads that watch
> motoring programmes) ended the show admitting that he was so smitten with
> the Land Rover he bought one - a rather battered Series I.
In his LROI (or was it LRW?) article, Quentin says that he purchased a 
V-reg stage 1 (I need to add him to the Celebrity list..)

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

Quote of 1996: "A.L.S. is a good example of scotissityness"

------------------------------

From: houniet@xs4all.nl
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 01:08:34 +0000
Subject: Re: Eezybleed

Dear Peter,
If Eezybleed is one of those tyre air pressure hydraulic bleed 
systems, then you can get them in The Netherlands.
I bought one a while ago for around fl60.- ($25 -$30), and if you're 
having trouble finding one in the UK I could have a look if they 
still have them over here.
I actually bought it for my old Honda, but it doesn't fit. However 
it'll be doing overtime as soon as I have replaced the simple brake 
system on my friends IIa for a double crossover servo assisted 
system.
That brings me to my question:
Has anybody ever replaced the whole brake system, or is it better 
left to prof's and if not, how do you bend and make the end fittings 
onto the high pressure pipes?!

Thanks in advance,
Floris Houniet
SIIa 109 ambulance
Haarlem, The Netherlands (751 years old)
Houniet@xs4all.nl

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 09:25:42 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: re: Zen and Wait a minute

    )  Well... three official national flags, two languages,
>        ...)
.....But only one Commonwealth........
Mike Rooth

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 10:17:11 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Eezybleed

houniet@xs4all.nl wrote:
> how do you bend and make the end fittings
> onto the high pressure pipes?!

Many small independent garages/workshops have the tools necessary to 
make up copper brake pipes and unions. They will often do it while you 
wait. Take all the old pipes (plus unions) with you so that they have a 
pattern to work to, and to ensure the correct type of union is used. 
Bending the pipes to suit is a job you do yourself, the copper being 
soft and malleable.

Using copper pipes, it is important to choose a route along the chassis 
which will keep the soft pipes out of harms way (flying rocks, tree 
roots etc.).

-- 
David Olley
.....................................................................................
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
.....................................................................................

------------------------------

Date: 15 Mar 96 06:02:21 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: SUV Advertising

>Its funny, really. You see the nissan's in "africa", explorer's in the
>mountians, jeeps crawling over rocks, etc, etc...

>Then you see the LR ads and they expound the virtues of hauling your kids

It's quite logical, really.  I mean, everybody knows that it's no big thing
to cross the Sahara or crawl up steep rocky mountain paths in a Land Rover.
Therefor the advertising people found it neccessary to point out that these
rugged mean machines, usually associated with things like Camel Trophys,
wars and relief projects in Africa are equally suitable for normal,
everyday driving situations, e.g. collecting the kids from school.
Expounding the off-road qualities of a Land Rover would be a bit like
Boeing advertising that their planes can actually fly...

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 10:36:32 +0000
From: Ian Robinson <ian@fourx4.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Eezybleed

In message <199603141931.UAA16823@croco.atnet.at>, lopezba@atnet.at
writes
>Dear all - is Eezybleed still available in the US? In the UK? A friend is 
>leaving for the States on Saturday, and she could get it if its not too much 
>of a hassle. Any chains? Large shops?

Yes, it's available in most large car stores i.e. Halfords, Road User
etc., also in factors such as Partco.

Regards, Ian
                FOREST LANDROVERS' 4 x 4 CENTRE
                Royal Forest of Dean, Glos, UK
                +44 (0)1594 822606/(0)402 000132
                http://www.star.co.uk/forest

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