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From: "DAVE MCKAIN" <MCKAIN@cemr.wvu.edu>
Date:          Tue, 12 Mar 1996 07:51:51 EDT
Subject:       Re: Trout season open...any good fishing holes ?

Bill,
Try 1-800-callwva. I know that there are a lot of fishing spots in 
the eastern panhandle of WV. The Elkins WV area is definitely good 
but you'll need a map. Names I remember are Glady, North Fork (South 
Branch) Potomac.
Later,

David McKain
1972 SIII SWB (parting)
1970 SIIA SWB (parting)
1969 SIIA SWB (rebuilding)
1959 SII Ex-Mil SWB
1963 SIIA SWB (parting)
mckain@cemr.wvu.edu

Morgantown, WV
USA                     

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From: "DAVE MCKAIN" <MCKAIN@cemr.wvu.edu>
Date:          Tue, 12 Mar 1996 07:52:36 EDT
Subject:       Re: Trout season open...any good fishing holes ?

Soory about the last message, the reply to in my mailer can't deal 
with the new majordomo stuff.

David McKain
1972 SIII SWB (parting)
1970 SIIA SWB (parting)
1969 SIIA SWB (rebuilding)
1959 SII Ex-Mil SWB
1963 SIIA SWB (parting)
mckain@cemr.wvu.edu
(304) 599-0120
Morgantown, WV
USA                     

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 12 Mar 96 08:09:06 MST
Subject: Weight loss video...

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
Tim,

Not a bad idea! Kind of like the "sweating to the oldies" sort of thing?

Sounds like you and I are about the same in stature. (I'm about 5-9,
160#, heaviest I've ever been in my life.) Holiday weight... from
Thanksgiving! Couldn't have anything to do with turning 40 could it? Or
is it just getting lazy? (Why hike the hill when I can Rover up it?)

I have a 109 that I'll be doing a frame-over, right after the springs
and bushings on the 88, which should be close to the time I do the
springs and shocks on the RR. (But first, to put the transmission back
in the 88.) So maybe I've just packed on a little "storage energy" in
anticipation of all my Rover projects. .. Lord knows, I'll need it!

Dave (chipmunk gut) Brown

#=======#         _________           We make a living by what we get,
|__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___        we make a life by what we give.
| _|  |   |_ |}  \__/-\_|__/-\_|}
"(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)                       Winston Churchill

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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 08:14:51 -0700 (MST)
From: Rob Bailey <baileyr@cuug.ab.ca>
Subject: Re: Brake Fluid

>Quoting from AB (Atlantic-British) parts catalog, "Due to the higher natural
>rubber content of British hydraulic seals, we recommend that only 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>Girling Brake & Clutch Fluid 'Crimson', Specification J, 1703", which I 
>have always understood corresponds to Castrol LMA.  

The J-1703 specification corresponds to DOT-3. A lot of people think that 
DOT-3 will harm rubber parts, while DOT-4 will not, but this is not 
necessarily so... DOT-3 vs. DOT-4 has more to do with boiling points than 
composition. I use a DOT-3 fluid that is guaranteed not to swell rubber 
seals, and have had no problems. This has got to be the most confusing 
Land Rover issue by far!! Every single person has a different opinion on 
which brake fluid is "best". It is probably safest for people to use 
Castrol LMA, unless you can find a good alternative.

Rob

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From: Atlanta67@aol.com
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 10:20:46 -0500
Subject: RE: Renewed Traditions WWW Address

http://users.aol.com/atlanta67/renewed.htm

"Just aquired for sale"
1974 SIII 5 dr Wagon, 6cyl, 50,000miles, very nice, very original
$10,400

E-mail  ATLANTA67@AOL.COM

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From: Atlanta67@aol.com
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 10:20:51 -0500
Subject: If you need SIII Owners manuals

I have reproduced in the original size and spiral bound the original SIII
owners manual that came with the vehicles. If any on the LRO subscribers
would like one I would be happy to send you one for what it costs me at
Kinkos to have them printed(@10.00). I also have an original SIIa owners
manual that I guess I could do the same with(another 2 hours at the copy
machine) I also found a source for trailers made from SIII 109 rear bodies.
Any interest?

Sean
Renewed Traditions
ATLANTA67@AOL.COM
http://users.aol.com/atlanta67/renewed.htm

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 10:01:39 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: If you need SIII Owners manuals

> I have reproduced in the original size and spiral bound the original SIII
> owners manual that came with the vehicles. If any on the LRO subscribers
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> manual that I guess I could do the same with(another 2 hours at the copy
> machine)

I hope you realize this is copyright infringement and you've just 
announced to the world that you are doing it. Not a wise thing to do.
*Personally* I'd prefer that illegal activities are not advertised on 
this list. I'd like to keep our reputation limited to tech advice, 
offroading, humor and in-fighting.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 10:39:25 GMT -0600
Subject: Northern Hydarulics

Northern has a web site and has a Magellan GPS for $249 on special.

http://www.northern-online.com/

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 14:23:21 +0100
From: Andre <andre@officeline.no>
Subject: <no subject>

unsubscribe lro-digest

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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 15:50:02 +0100
From: Andre <andre@officeline.no>
Subject: <no subject>

subscribe land-rover-owner

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: TARC News in Acrobat
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 96 11:50:00 EST

The Toronto Area Rover Club News is now available in Adobe Acrobat PDF 
format
If you would like a copy Email me,
It comes as a 0.9meg zip file for DOS/Windows users
If what they say is true and PDF is portable then I can send the individual 
documents to Mac users
Let me know which form you want.

Trevor "Esoteric Experiments 'R' Us" Easton

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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 09:44:35 -0700
From: "Lee Zeltzer" <lzeltzer@isdnet.com>
Subject: Re: TARC News in Acrobat

Easton Trevor wrote:
> The Toronto Area Rover Club News is now available in Adobe Acrobat PDF
> format
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> Let me know which form you want.
> Trevor "Esoteric Experiments 'R' Us" Easton

I would love to see a copy. My last trip to Toronto was to play rugby in 
1969. We lost, but the post game beer was worth the trip.
-- 
Lee Zeltzer, Senior Consultant
Innovative System Design
100 N. Stone Ave. Suite 605
Tucson AZ 85701
(520)791-3323 X 21
http://www.isdnet.com

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From: bobnsueb@maxinet.com (Bob n Sue Bernard)
Subject: 109 parts
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 09:19:57 -0800

Hi all,
I have a few parts left from the 74-109 P/U that I parted out.
Very good frame 2 door $400.
Both front axles with drive plates,24 spline outer end. $40.00 for both.
Diesel starter.new sealed type
diesel flywheel.
Diesel housing engine to tranny.
Diesel head for rebuild/rocker arm assembly.
diesel CAV pump for core.(inside turns but outside levers rusted stuck)

Oh yeah, Also have two axles for 1951-80"
A right front still in its swivel and a right rear with good bearing.

Parts are located in Paradise, California (Northern Ca) 

Bob Bernard
 __________________________________________________
|*******Please note our new Internet address*******|
|>>>>>>>>>>>  bobnsueb@maxinet.com   <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
|'69 88 SW Sherman, '60 88 P/U Stubby, '51 80 Nelly|
|__________________________________________________| 

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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 10:37:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Mike Catlin <mjcatlin@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Re: If you need SIII Owners manuals

Sean,

I'm interested in trailers.  Please tell me more.  I hope they're cheap.

Mike Catlin <mjcatlin@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
244 Diablo Ave.
Davis, CA 95616
USA
916 753 6514 home
916 654 9239 work
916 657 4396 fax

On Tue, 12 Mar 1996 Atlanta67@aol.com wrote:

> I have reproduced in the original size and spiral bound the original SIII
> owners manual that came with the vehicles. If any on the LRO subscribers
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
> Renewed Traditions
> ATLANTA67@AOL.COM
> http://users.aol.com/atlanta67/renewed.htm

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From: Harincar@mdms.com (Tim Harincar-MS)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 13:06:32 -0600
Subject: FW: Buying from England

Hi all,

This buying stuff from England is kind of wierd. This is my first   
experience ordering things from overseas. Its been somewhat complicated,   
with the faxes and all, but so far its worked out ok.

Some questions, though, from those experienced in doing business on the   
other side of the pond.

I had confirmed my order by fax on Wednesday, and by Sunday my card still   
had not been charged. So I got up at 3 am and gave them a ring in person,   
and the chap I spoke to said the order was waiting until today (tuesday)   
for a couple of bits to arrive and then would ship. So I called again   
today to check my card, and there was a charge on there, however, it was   
dated last thursday.

Would they charge the card before shipping the order, and how would they   
now the shipping cost until it was boxed?

So I checked my last quote, and sure enough there was no shipping   
included in the final invoice, as there was on the previous quotes, and   
the amount charged was exactly the amount on the invoice.

Does the shipping get billed separatly through the carrier?

Lastly, any ideas on how long this is going to take for an air shipment   
to the midwest? Does it then go UPS once it hits the east coast or parcel   
Snail?

BTW, this is all through LR Supermarket.

Thanks,

tim
 ---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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From: Harincar@mdms.com (Tim Harincar-MS)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 13:06:39 -0600
Subject: FW: Frame Replacement Log, week 9

Hi everyone,

I think the digest is screwed up. Did the real-time people get this? It   
wasn't in the digest, but my ps was...

Well, week number 9 slips by, and my goal of having this project done by
the first of May is looking possible, but tight.

My biggest bane is that there was some confusion with LR Supermarket in
Liverpool and my major parts order hasn't shipped yet (called at 3:00am
my time and spoke to a plesent chap who said is was going out tomorrow).

I was hoping to have those parts *last* week. So, I'm sort of in stall
mode, trying to do anything to keep moving while I wait for my order.

Lets see, this week I pulled the last 6 bushings from the frame and
springs. Let me tell you *thats* a pain without a torch. Getting the
inner sleeves out took me about 5 hours. I was able to twist them out
once I got them to a point where I could get on them with a pipe
wrench. Fortuantly, they had all worn so that the inner sleeves were
all off-center anyway.

Then there was the obligitory cutting with a saw and air chisel, and
then driving them out... I hope to *never* have to do that again. I'll
get all new springs next time. New bushings are in the box from
England...

Spent a couple hours trying to free the old shackles from the the
springs. Gave up and am going to buy some new ones... The pins were
rust welded to the bushings and the shackles were rust welded to the
pins.

Then I began disconnecting the bulkhead components from the truck -
speedo cable, sensors, stuff like that. Basically, I wanted to remove
the bulkhead with as much of the wiring still connected as possible,
so when the replacement is ready, it will hopefully be easier to
re-wire it. Knock on wood.

Once I did that, my father-in-law and I simply leaned the bulkhead
forward and broke it off at the bottom of the doorposts. There was very
little metal holding them together. SPOT: "When the bottoms of the door
posts rust out, gob lots of bondo in the holes, paint over it, and
hope you can sell it before someone notices that its junk."

I'm waiting for a new floor panel and cowling before I take the new
bulkhead in for paint, and of course they're in the box from England...

After I got the bulkhead off, I began to disconnect the tub from
the chassis and get the bulkhead mounts out. My plan is to get a few
friends (I hope) and lift the tub, seatbox, and running boards as a
unit. I hope to do that in two weeks, as well as pull the motor and
gearbox. New motor mounts are in the box from England...

I also finished painting the last bit of frame that was still only   
primer.

Not much else. I was hoping to have the rear axle mounted, but U-bolts
are in the box from England... This week it looks like its going to be
little things while I wait - recovering the seats, stuff like that.

Moral: Plan *way* ahead when buying things overseas. I thought I was
when I was working up the order about 5 weeks in advance of when I
planned to need the parts. Better to have them too early and sitting
around then too late and holding up progress.

Tim
 ---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 14:30:34
From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS)
Subject: Nissan Pathfinder on "safari"...

	What these advertising execs will do to sell cars on television.
	The latest gimmick is to have their car on safari in Africa (Lion 
Country Safari, Busch Gardens, FL ?), chased by a rhinosceros, filled with 
little monkeys, etc. Meanwhile some bloke with an effected British accent 
does voice-over about what wonders one encounters in the wild while driving 
the new Nissan Pathfinder.
	What garbage. I'm sure they had NO INTENTION of playing off the success 
of LR products, a truck that is immediatly associated with safari. I would 
guess any Brit worth his bangers and beans would not choose such an inferior 
vehicle when picking fights with rhinos. 
	Why is it they never show cars stuck in traffic or cruising for parking 
spaces at the mall like in real life?

Bill Adams
3Dmentia computer animation
4016 Spruell Drive
Kensington, MD 20895
301-949-9475

'66 Land Rover S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel  ...all there

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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 11:33:47 -0800
From: uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Clinton D. Coates)
Subject: Tech?: Heater discussion

Can anyone remember approximately when the heater discussion was
taking place last spring (I don't want to download 40mb of stuff
if I don't have to!)

--
 __x___x_  /    Clinton D. Coates  uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca    
|__|__|__\/__   
|     |   |_ |  *Emerson* 61 lwb pickup.....mostly runs
  (_)"""""(_)"  *If it doesn't leak, its not a Land Rover*

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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 14:50:00 -0500
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: Re: FW: Frame Replacement Log, week 9

Tim Harincar-MS wrote:

> Then I began disconnecting the bulkhead components from the truck -
> speedo cable, sensors, stuff like that. Basically, I wanted to remove
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> so when the replacement is ready, it will hopefully be easier to
> re-wire it. Knock on wood.

>From my experience,  Nope.   It was way, and I mean WAY easier to forget the 
old harness existed, rip it out like the guts of a roadkill and start over 
with the correct wiring diagram and a properly marked harness (color-wise).  
If you have the experience I did, much jerryrigging will have occurred over 
the LR's lifespan and trying to trace the old will lead to the kind of 
cursing that could make a sailor blush.  Once I gave up on the old harness, 
the new harness went in like a charm.  

Good Luck

Nate Dunsmore
Rocking Horse Farm
Boring, MD 21020
dunsmo19@us.net

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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 15:02:12 -0500 (EST)
From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Nissan Pathfinder on "safari"...

On Tue, 12 Mar 1996, WILLIAM ADAMS wrote:

> 	What these advertising execs will do to sell cars on television.
> 	The latest gimmick is to have their car on safari in Africa (Lion 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
> vehicle when picking fights with rhinos. 
> 	Why is it they never show cars stuck in traffic or cruising for parking 
> spaces at the mall like in real life?

all this and never a speck of dust on the piece of .....
What is funny is that Nissan makes a truck that is greatly used in 
Africa..Patrol??   Not a thing like the Pathfinder though.  Commercials 
are funny in general and this one is that....funny.

Russ

> Bill Adams
> 3Dmentia computer animation
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> 301-949-9475
> '66 Land Rover S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel  ...all there

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From: William Terry <wterry@sartre.minerva.bah.com>
Subject: All new subs
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 16:47:04 -0500 (EST)

I'm surprised at the vehemance (sp?) with which people are "discussing" list
splits. I don't think that the majority of the people who sub to lro have
ego problems. I believe that the majority of people who have opinions about
the thread have them for purelylogical reasons. I fail to see why some
people are so against any split. Surely, it's not a problem to sub to all of
them if desired. Once subbed, what's the difference?

As for the delete key, which seems to be expounded upon, most of us don't have
that luxury. The bottom of the digest states:

All new subscriptions are via the digest.

Subbing to the real-time list is not an option.
This was the case over a year ago when I first subbed. Unless this has 
changed, it means that the delete key is useless to many. Either delete the
whole digest or wade through it. When the digest is regularly in the thousands
of lines (even over 4K) reading them becomes time consuming. I've been gone 
for a bit over a week and have no idea where the thread has gone. I'd have
to go through over 15K lines to follow the thread. This is a bit much.

There exist a bunch of lists which Bill informed us of. My point was that
in a global community putting locational limits to lists is an odd way to
do it. I though lists by discussion topic made more sense. In this, I don't
see how it would upset anyone. It has nothing to do with egos, just time
savings. If people don't cross post the traffic for those who sub to all
lists should add up to the same as now.

Please, only discussion.

Bill

______________W__i__l__l__i__a__m_____D__a__n_____T__e__r__r__y______________
  How do we acquire wisdom along with all these shiny things? (David Brin)

  wterry@sartre.minerva.bah.com
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Date:  Tue, 12 Mar 1996 16:13:00 -0500 
From: "christian (c.j.) szpilfogel" <chrisz@bnr.ca>
Subject:  re:Brake Fluid 

>>I had to replace the brake fluid reservoir in my '73 series III and in the
>>directions it said use only Castrol/Girling brake fluid.  Can I use regular
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>-
>Castrol LMA fluid is about all you'll find in the US, I think. It will do fine.

In Ottawa, I have found Lucas Girling which I have been told used to be
Castrol Girling. It was not too expensive. In fact it seemed slightly less
expensive than other brands I have seen.

Cheers,

  -Christian
   '72 SIII 88"
   '95 Discovery

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Christian Szpilfogel
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
chrisz@bnr.ca   Work: (613) 763-5713   FAX:  (613) 765-4855           
---------------------------------------------------------------
My Opinions are my own and you may borrow them, if you wish, 
but I want them back when you're done.

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From: Alf Liang <liang@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com>
Subject: re: Idling Problem
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 96 14:10:30 PST

Thanks VERY MUCH for the suggestions I got from the list regarding idling
problem on my '88 RR.  I cleaned the contacts on the air flow sensor last
night and the problem went away.  It idles just fine now.

For the loss of coolant problem, I found no visible leakage, other than what
comes out of the expansion tank drain hose some times after I turn the ignition
off after driving (even short distances).  I'll replace the pressure cap as
suggested.  Hopefully, I don't have a blown heat gasket or leak in the
engine block.

Regards,

Alf Liang
liang@cup.hp.com

~

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 17:12:37 -0500
Subject: Subscribe

Subscribe to real-time list.

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From: Rod Steele <rsteele@sparky.transdata.ca>
Subject: Attentn - Dixon Kenner
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 17:42:04 -0500

I will happily forward info on 107 & others for newsletter.  Please send =
me your email address, I am having trouble with the one that appears =
with your messages to the list.

regrds Rod Steele

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From: Rod Steele <rsteele@sparky.transdata.ca>
Subject: Attn -Trevor Easton 
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 17:40:01 -0500

I would appreciate a copy of TARC news for acrobat.

rgrds 
Rod Steele
(win95)

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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 22:52:55 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Nissan Pathfinder on "safari"...

WILLIAM ADAMS wrote:
> I'm sure they had NO INTENTION of playing off the success
> of LR products, a truck that is immediatly associated with safari.

Sadly, although this statement is correct, real life is different in my 
experience. On my trips to Kenya, safaris were undertaken in LandCruisers if 
you were lucky (as I was, and once in a Land Rover) but mainly in VW or 
Nissan buses with big holes in the roof covered with a surrey top! You would 
not get me in one of those things.

-- 
David Olley
.....................................................................................
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
.....................................................................................

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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 96 17:52:00 EST
From: tonyb@ejv.com (Tony Bromberg)
Subject: Sunroof leak on 89 RR

My Rover has developed a leaky sunroof.  It's not a terrible leak but
bad enough to get the headliner wet, a stain of about 6 inches in
diameter.  It seems to be at a spot where the insulation strip that
runs the whole length of the sunroof meets end to end.  I've used 3M
rubber adhesive/insulation and apparently this was not enough.

Someone told me that the sunroof's mechanics are actually from a 3
series BMW.  My questions are.

a) Are there drain hoses inside the sunroof that route the water out.
Then perhaps I have a cluged drainage hose.

b) If not, then should the insulation strip create a water tight seal
around the sunroof.  In which case how do I repair it.

Thanks

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: BVI-rover rentals
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 96 18:23:59 EST

Folks-

The little woman and I are considering a vacation.....I have but one
requirement: wherever we go there have to be Land Rovers.  She can
live with this.....

So we are talking about going down to the BVI (British Virgin Islands)
and I've heard rumours (some of which are substantiated in Fodders' 
guide, but without the relevant info) that you *can* rent Land Rovers
on Tortola.  Hopefully, one with a metal dash, too (I'm planning on
drinkin' lots of beer on the beach).....

Anyone have any experiences, good or bad, renting Rovers anywhere
in the Carribean (and preferably within the BVI)?

thanks in advance,
rd/nige (He'll have to stay home, I'm afraid)

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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 96 22:58:45 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Nissan Pathfinder on "safari"...

What even more ridiculous is the tyres !!! have you seen the shine on them !!! 
and after it has been chased by animals, the thing is ALWAYS CLEAN !!!! Get 
real. 

Mark  

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From:  WILLIAM ADAMS
Sent:  Tuesday, March 12, 1996 2:34 PM
Subject:  Nissan Pathfinder on "safari"...

	What these advertising execs will do to sell cars on television.
	The latest gimmick is to have their car on safari in Africa (Lion 
Country Safari, Busch Gardens, FL ?), chased by a rhinosceros, filled with 
little monkeys, etc. Meanwhile some bloke with an effected British accent 
does voice-over about what wonders one encounters in the wild while driving 
the new Nissan Pathfinder.
	What garbage. I'm sure they had NO INTENTION of playing off the success 
of LR products, a truck that is immediatly associated with safari. I would 
guess any Brit worth his bangers and beans would not choose such an inferior 
vehicle when picking fights with rhinos. 
	Why is it they never show cars stuck in traffic or cruising for parking 
spaces at the mall like in real life?

Bill Adams
3Dmentia computer animation
4016 Spruell Drive
Kensington, MD 20895
301-949-9475

'66 Land Rover S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel  ...all there

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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 20:31:43 -0500 (EST)
From: rovah@agate.net (John Cassidy IV)
Subject: IIA Wing Panel Wanted(Desparately!)

Well, I finally got off my rear and started back in on my 1966 IIA
restoration project.  I'm in the process of making two decent front wings
from four.  I completed the driver's side without incident, but I'm lacking
the front panel from the passenger side wing.  Apparently these panels are
not available anymore in new form, just the Series III style.  Bruce at DAP
said he had some panels which are new, but military, and locate the turn
signals lower on the panel than the original.  Does anyone have one out
back in their pile of bits!?  I hate to remove the driver's side panel and
replace with the military ones, but if I can't find one, that's what I'll
do.
     Please E-mail me direct if you have one that's in workable shape!

Cheers!  John Cassidy   Bangor, Maine

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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 21:48:22 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@mail.CandW.lc>
Subject: RE: the ant problem resolved

Hi all,
A final note about the 90 that was driven into someone's fence by an invasion of 
ants in the ignition switch. This afternoon I was approached by a very pleasant 
old fellow who informed me that despite the fact that the outer fence looked 
like it was just a bunch of rusty corrugated sheets, the 90 had in fact broken a 
whole support system of bits of wood. I offered to have a look at this disaster 
but it didn't seem particularly important to him. I then offered up the reality 
of the ant story in exchange for any inconvenience and in no time we were 
reconciled. 
Allan Smith

 

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From: Rod Steele <rsteele@sparky.transdata.ca>
Subject: John Cassidy - wing
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 20:56:07 -0500

John

I have an 88 and 109 IIA, for parts, all panels OK and complete, both are hard top safari roofs, glass n all

The 109 is in the yard, I will be able to rip at the 88 in the spring.  What is your preference?

regrds Rod Steele

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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 96 13:09:54 EST
From: James Carley <carley@manly.civeng.unsw.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: If you need SIII Owners manuals

>> I have reproduced in the original size and spiral bound the original SIII
>> owners manual that came with the vehicles. If any on the LRO subscribers
>I hope you realize this is copyright infringement and you've just 
>announced to the world that you are doing it. Not a wise thing to do.

I'm not an expert in intellectual property but there are international
agreements and procedures in existence for legitimate copying of
OUT OF PRINT books.
James Carley
Water Research Laboratory
University of New South Wales
Sydney, Australia

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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 18:21:11 -0800
From: mumcar@ix.netcom.com (William Carter )
Subject: Re: Atlanta Club

Mark,

I had sent you my address a while ago and have gotten no response.  I 
just wanted to make sure things were still moving forward.

Bill Carter
1655 Ila Perdue Dr.
Knoxville, TN 37931
423-470-0950

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From: Rod Steele <rsteele@sparky.transdata.ca>
Subject: need fuel tank for 86in
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 20:58:59 -0500

I am rebuilding an 1954 86in and need a fuel tank.

Help!

thanks Rod Steele

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From: Rod Steele <rsteele@sparky.transdata.ca>
Subject: info on 107 & 80
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 21:12:37 -0500

I have sent this to the people who requested it, this is in case they =
did not recieve it:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
---------------------------------

Hi people,

I had not forgotten, just chasing down some more details.  You surprised =
me with the rapidity of your responses.  As a few of you were asking for =
info, I am answering all your questions in one note.

I am in Midland,Ontario, Canada, sorry about the confusion.  My name is =
Rod Steele, my tel nos is (h)(705)527 5343, and I am a series owner: =
1949-80", 1954-86", and a 1965-109.  Presently rebuilding the 86".

Due to nos of requests for photos, I have made colour lazer copies, =
those interested send me your snail mail addresses, and you shall =
recieve.  Anyone who wants faxed B&W, send me your fax # and you shall =
also recieve.

I originally started a network of second hand dealers searching out old =
LR's for me, because I was interested for myself.  However long after I =
made my purchases the reports continued to flow in, so rather than stop =
them I encouraged them, and started logging the results.  A kind of =
covetous act I guess.  So if anyone is looking for any old series model =
in particular, let me know by email, and there is a good chance I may be =
able to help.

107:
This is located near Echo Bay, Ontario.
I have only the photos and reports to go by on this one.
Engine: was running 1.5 years ago. parked since then. appears good in =
photo
Air Cleaner: strange! It is a cleaner built into and extruding above the =
bonnet, 	directly over the carb.
Body: apart from age being apparent in the wear on the paint, it is =
complete 	and looks good
          	It is a complete hard top (Al)
          	no glass missing
         	front bumper has been replaced with channel.
Tyres:look good, not sure if there is a spare
Interior :cannot see, but suspect it is not ready for the mother in law =
yet!
Indicators/Lamps: look to all be there. Would suspect wiring needs work
Transmission:apparently works, the owner drove it to its present =
parking, 1.5 	years ago.
Brakes:need work.

The vehicle number which I was waiting for is supposedly:873600491
obviously this is wrong, they are going to check it for me tomorrow. I =
suspect the 8 should be a 2, in which case if I am right it is a =
1955-107.  Any comments welcome.

80:
Two available immediatly.
The first I have seen, is in relatively good nick. This is the one I =
have photos of.
located near here.  It has a small plough on it.  Ran all last winter, =
not been run this winter. Body, engine tranny etc, look OK.  The chassis =
needs a bit of insitu work, nothing extraordinary.  Could be a good =
daily vehicle.

The second 80 is on someones farm two hours from here towards Algonquin. =
 I have not seen this one but am planning to go see it (because another =
fellow in the same area has an 86 he runs every day).  Apparently this =
one is complete, not running, ready for restoration.

Prices for each is sitting at around the CND$1000 (US$740) OBO.  I have =
spent time negotiating with these fellows and there is room to manoevre. =

Transport: Talk to me about collecting them for you, I have a big =
trailer, and if I can meet up with a fellow owner, and share a pint, no =
problem.

Crossing the border? Not as frightening as you may think, In the mining =
industry we move used equipment back and forward regularly.  For an old =
truck like these, CND$100, would be the most you might pay, if that.  I =
could find out for those interested.

David Place, If I could make a suggestion, your brother may prefer a =
newer model for his uses.  There is also an 88 IIA in excellent =
condition, easily certifiable close to here.  If your brother phones me, =
I am only a 1.5 hour drive from Oakville, he could come up and I will =
take him around to see it. 

I hope that is of some use to you, I look forward to your responses.

regrds
Rod Steele

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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 22:38:23 -0500
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: Re: If you need SIII Owners manuals

At 10:01 AM 3/12/96 -0600, you wrote:
>> I have reproduced in the original size and spiral bound the original SIII

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 27 lines)]
> Four wheel drive allows you to get
> stuck in places even more inaccessible.
When we bought our Range Rover the owners manual was in rough shape.  Per
LRNA's tech support people, the 1988 NAS RR manual was out of print and I
was lucky to have a worn one.  They did offer to photo copy the one they
have and send me a copy which I accepted.

I was amazed that the manual was not available.  I see ads for series
manuals all the time.  Even the 101 manual I got recently (if I can not
afford the whole vehicle I at least get the manual, maybe a lightweight
next) looks brand new.

But then, the parts manual I received from AB is definitely a photocopy!

Jeff Kessler
1988 Range Rover
Newport New Hampshire  USA   603-863-7883

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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 96 15:37:28 EST
From: jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben)
Subject: rings opinion

If the 2.25 is like any other engine..  I'd guess a re-ring is in order.
I'd also  hone to help the rings seat - simple and cheap, why not do it?

Jan 

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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 23:01:35 -0500
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: Re: Sunroof leak on 89 RR

At 05:52 PM 3/12/96 EST, you wrote:
>My Rover has developed a leaky sunroof.  It's not a terrible leak but

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 23 lines)]
>b) If not, then should the insulation strip create a water tight seal
>around the sunroof.  In which case how do I repair it.
>Thanks
Tony

Our 88 RR has four drain lines, 2 front and two rear.  The front ones exit
come out from the bottom of the A post (the post between the windshield and
front doors) and drain  onto the fenders (wing?) under the hood (bonnet).
The left one is just in front of the switch for the under hood (bonnet)
light(s).  Our rear ones exit by the mud flaps, I cannot remember if in
front or behind them and it is too late to look.

The insulation strip is not designed to be water tight.

Good luck.

Jeff Kessler
1988 Range Rover
Newport New Hampshire USA     603-863-7883

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 23:17:40 -0500
Subject: Re: Vacuum Advance

In a message dated 96-03-04 09:01:55 EST, TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA (Easton
Trevor) writes:

John Purnell writes "When
>you shut off the engine, the retard is active and if your engine is 
dieseling
>there will still be a vacuum below the butterfly and this cranks back your
ignition timing, helping to stop the dieseling.  "

>But, John, when you shut off the engine there ain't no more ignition from 
the distributor so how would it stop the dieseling. I thought this was 
>caused by hot spots in the cylinder created by the lean burning conditions 
due to emissions controls.

No No No... magnetic resonance from the crankshaft rotating inside the iron
core of the cylinder block create magnetic fields which energize the coil,
thus you'll get spark from the coil even though you've shut off current to
the coil via the ignition switch, you didn't know THAT?  Sheeeeesh, you'd
think a Series owner.....

Um, good point Trevor.  I believe I should have said that the vacuum "retard"
works for "over run" , not dieseling.  Overrun is  when you let off the
throttle and,  gasoline molecules being heavier than air molecules, a rich
condition briefly exists until  fuel/air  control is re-established.  Well,
this may not sound like a big deal, but customers apparently complained (or
the engineers imagined they WOULD complain),  and over-run can result in
bucking or an otherwise non-smooth "occurrence."  If you briefly retard the
timing, you reduce this to an unnoticeable event.  It's like the racing
motorcycles, they got around having to use a clutch during a shift by
applying momentary ignition cut or retard, thus the brief let-off of power
from the engine allowed them to upshift without clutching in.  

The "throttle closer" vacuum-actuated solenoid dealywacker is supposed to
stop dieseling created by wide throttle openings at idle, (sometimes
generated by reduced ignition timing, the farther back you set ignition
timing the more you have to open throttle to create a necessary idle torque,
 or rpm), or , or , or:    "by hot spots in the cylinder created by the lean
burning conditions 
due to emissions controls."   There! I said it!  AAAAAAAACCCCCCKKKKKKKKKK!!!
 I'm changing my email address again...

Thanks for catching that Trevor.  Though my goal is never to create more
confusion,  I rarely succeed.

Johnny90WiscoRover

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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 22:40:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Mike Catlin <mjcatlin@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Rod specs.

I have a set of rods (2 1/4 petrol, Series III) at the machine shop and 
the machinist wants to know the manufacturer's specification for 
connecting rod big end diameter.  I can't find it in my Series III Repair 
Operation Manual, so I'd appreciate some help. 

How big, exactly, is the con rod big end supposed to be?

Thanks for the help.

Mike Catlin <mjcatlin@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
'72 88"

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 13 Mar 96 08:25:29 GMT
From: Steve Temple <temples@cs.man.ac.uk>
Subject: LR on TV tonight

According to my paper, BBC2 are repeating the Land Rover episode of
"The Car's the Star" tonight (Wed) at 7.30.

Worth a look if you missed it last time.

--Steve

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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 00:42:55 -0800 (PST)
From: carden@eskimo.com (Chris Carden)
Subject: Weber Carb Jets

> Does anyone here have any data on the weber 1 barrel as it applies
> to a series vehicle? I have a Haynes manual that covers only the 2 barrel
> versions. And does anyone have a good source for new jets for the same?

Rovers North sells the Weber 34ICH, rebuild kits and jets.  I just went
through a couple months of trouble getting mine to work smoothly.  I don't
have much documentation, but the RN rebuild kit comes with instructions for
setting the float level, etc.  Unfortunately, the photocopy was almost
unreadable and the text pretty cryptic, so I chickened out and went to
Grodon Perrott (local ace Rover mech) to get help with the rebuild.  (Gordon
once took apart my carb with a swiss army knife in knee-deep water to
correct a clogged jet -- which I had incorrectly diagnosed as a wet
distributor -- but that's another story.)

It still wasn't quite right -- lurching on take off -- so I called RN again
and Lanny set me up with a richer set of jets:

        73801150 Main Jet               $5.50
        77201170 Air Corrector Jet      $8.00
        61440213 Emulsion Tube          $13.50  (back ordered)

Having seen the carb apart once, I felt a little better about installing the
jets myself -- just don't upset the float level, there isn't much else to go
wrong.  I double-cleaned the passages to make sure there wasn't any
blockage, replaced the base gaskets while I was at it, did the full tune up,
etc., and it's running terrific.  I'm almost scared to install the emulsion
tube when it arrives.  I drive a fair bit at high-RPM, although I keep it as
reasonable as possible.

If this doesn't help, post another message and someone will solve the
problem by kicking all discussion of Italian carbs off the list.

Cheers,

CJC

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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 19:08:20 -0800
From: uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Clinton D. Coates)
Subject: Idle Talk(Tech?):Fuel mixing

There was a discussion a while back about mixing
fuels for diesels.  Looking through the FAQ, I also
noticed that some of the old 2l engines could burn
kerosene/diesel and gas mixtures by re-setting the
timing.  I was wondering:

a) has anyone tried this?

b) could (or should) it be done with a 2.25l petrol?
   It seems that the timing can be set for some pretty
   ugly low octane fuels.

c) if it doesn't hurt the motor, it could be interesting
   to experiment with different mixtures to see if a
   significant cost saving could be realized where 
   maximum power was not required (ie. local commuting)

d) if it is worth it, and one has an electronic ignition,
   there are dash mounted advance/retard (usually +- 7deg)
   modules that might allow a quick switch for fuel.

e) if you think this is utterly stupid and remeniscent 
   of my Mazda rotary engine question, fire away, I 
   just bought a brand new pair of Nomex undies :)

PS. Thanks for all the help on the pos-neg ground
switching.

Lessee, this here looks like the right framistat to connect
with the ol <<<ZAAAP>>>  o:E

--
 __x___x_  /    Clinton D. Coates  uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca    
|__|__|__\/__   
|     |   |_ |  *Emerson* 61 lwb pickup.....mostly runs
  (_)"""""(_)"  *If it doesn't leak, its not a Land Rover*

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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 00:58:28 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Weber Carb Jets

At 12:42 AM 3/13/96 -0800, you wrote:
: Does anyone here have any data on the weber 1 barrel as it applies
: to a series vehicle? I have a Haynes manual that covers only the 2 barrel
: versions. And does anyone have a good source for new jets for the same?

 Pierce Manifolds has a really good Weber Tuning Manual with lots of
 diagrams, about 60 pages.  They are authorized Weber dealers.  Call Steve
 their tech guy at 800-874-3727 or 408-842-6667 in Gilroy, California.

 Cheers,
                         ______
 Michael Carradine       [__[__\==                    Rumpole of the Bay
 510-988-0900            [________]               Land-Rover Roughmobile
 cs@crl.com  __________.._(o)__.(o)____...o^^^  '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88")
 _______________________________________________________________________
 Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page:   http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 09:17:49 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Idle Talk(Tech?):Fuel mixing

Clinton D. Coates wrote:
> Looking through the FAQ, I also
> noticed that some of the old 2l engines could burn
> kerosene/diesel and gas mixtures by re-setting the
> timing. 

Petrol engines will run very well on kerosene, provided the ignition 
timing is retarded. BUT it is necessary to start the engine with 
gasoline. So, if the main tank is filled with kerosene, a second (small) 
gasoline tank must be fitted and connected through a two way valve so 
that remote fuel switching can be done. A separate electric pump from 
each tank would give the same result. When the engine is hot after 
starting on gas you can switch to kerosene. Before stopping the engine, 
however, you must switch back to gas so that the carburettor float 
chamber is full of gas for the next start.

In the UK it is illegal to use kerosene on the road (because of excise 
duties), and you would need to check your own local regulations.

A lot of boats on inland waterways used to use kerosene in this way, as 
did farmers before the increased use of diesel engines.

-- 
David Olley
.....................................................................................
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
.....................................................................................

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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 03:30:57 -0600 (CST)
From: Mark Perry <rxq281@freenet.mb.ca>
Subject: lr metaphysics

Mark Perry   Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
1966 Ser.IIA 88 Petrol Hardtop 
An adventure every time you drive it...

I've been reading a biography of Simone Weil, who, among other things, 
discussed
the necessity of suffering to have faith in God. Could this have 
something to do
with why  Series types choose to drive on leaf springs, or indeed, have 
something to do with the occasional "holier-than-thou" views expressed in 
regards to our more comfortable coil-sprung brethern? Is this too technical?
Speaking of God-like figures, the Feb. 95 issue of Autocar has a Farewell 
to 
Range Rover Classic article, in which a Range Rover Classic, Land-Rover 
prototype R01, HUE 166 ("Huey") and RR-mastermind, Spen King were united 
at the 
Welsh farm in Anglesay where the Wilks brothers first had the idea for 
the 
Land-Rover. Divine inspiration indeed it was.
Nice little article, and photos, especially side-by-side comparions 
photos of interiors.

Cheers, sorry about the quirkly line returns copied from excessive column 
format, or some such.

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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 09:31:17 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: BVI-rover rentals

>in the Carribean (and preferably within the BVI)?

British Virgins? Its a myth...there arent any.
Mike Rooth

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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 09:34:55 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: LR on TV tonight

>According to my paper, BBC2 are repeating the Land Rover episode of
>"The Car's the Star" tonight (Wed) at 7.30.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>Worth a look if you missed it last time.
>--Steve
Couldnt agree more.Best half hour programme I've seen on any subject
for a long time.Taped it last time round,and never get tired of watching
it.Converted Quentin Wilson to the cause as well...
Mike Rooth

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From: "S. Vels" <svels@mail-server.dk-online.dk>
Date:          Wed, 13 Mar 1996 12:18:56 +0001
Subject:       Weber carburettor, mixture screw?

Im using my brothers account to ask a simple question 
about Weber 34-ICH.

I assume that the lowest screw on the carburettor, fitted
with a coil spring(oops) between head and body, is the
mixture screw. Is this correct?

How do I adjust mixture on my SIII 2,25 engine.

                                                   Thanx in advance
                                                   J. Vels Christensen

Please reply to svels@dk-online.dk

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