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Date: 7 Mar 1996 13:14:47 U
From: "Marc Rengers" <Marc.Rengers@minerva.media-gn.nl>
Subject: 7.50 Wheels

Hello Neil!

Go for the 7.50's!!!  I've got a '77 SIII Hardtop and sidewindows with =
7.50 XCL tyres and i'm glad with them. The steering does not improve, but =
that only the turning circle. The suspension gets better while the wheels =
are bigger and roll over the small hole in the road. And if you fit normal =
road tyres: they don't wear more than 6.00 tyres (Who's idea is that?). =
Your speed will improve a bit, driving away from zero isn't faster (Who =
says series are fast) but your top speed will be higher (Wow).
Measure your both (6.00 and 7.50) and look what distance they make if they =
turn once. Then you can calculate how much faster you will go.
I send this mail also to the list since the list is for everybody

Marc Rengers

marc.rengers@minerva.media-gn.nl

Groningen, Holland

SIII  88" HardTop Petrol 1977
     110" StaWag  Diesel 1987

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From: "Ron Franklin" <oldhaven@mail.biddeford.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 07:30:39 -0500
Subject: Re: Cummins  swap(redesign)

You wrote: 

>I've actually been contemplating that swap (the 5.9) into my 109.  I've
>been told it would be a perfect option for a conversion.
>I didn't inquire about weight, but with that much power it's not a problem

I understand the weight issue on the engine is more important for the 
suspension; if the Cummings is very heavy you'll need to look into heavy 
duty springs.  I seem to recall that another issue is clearance of the oil 
pan and/or front prop. shaft - actually I believe that came up with regards 
to a Perkins, but anyway I'd check all possible dimensions.

Jeremy,
The nice thing about Cummins engines , at least the industrial versions, is 
that since they have to fit so many applications there are literally 
hundreds of variations of manifolds. accessory drives, exhaust piping, fan 
drives, flywheel housings, engine mounts, turbocharger locations etc.  For 
instance, the oil pan on my 4BT3.9 is reversible for front or rear sump, 
and there is a center sump pan available.  What isn't so nice is the price 
of all these great things, but they are all designed and built to last a 
long time in very rough conditions.  As for the weight, heavy duty springs 
will handle ride height, but won't address the weight distibution, so, at 
least in my opinion, the larger Cummins engines (5.9) give youi more power 
and torque than you really need at too high a cost.  Any Land Rover is 
really a lot smaller vehicle than a Dodge Ram.  Even the Cummins 3.9, at 200 lbs 
lighter, is pretty heavy, but not that much more than the lumps LR's carry 
anyway, and if it has enough Welly (there, I finally got to use that word), 
for a bulldozer, it should be more than enough for the needs of a LR.

Rgds, 
Ron Franklin

Bowdoin, Maine, USA

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From: Andrew Chambers <c2ac@dmu.ac.uk>
Subject: LR ASCII Pics.
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 12:31:16 GMT

A while ago I got some Ascii art type pictures from somewhere. Do you
know where I got them from? I can't remember, but I think I got the
address from a contributor to this list.

--
Thanx
Eric Spriggs, DMU Computer Science Course Administrator, Deceased

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From: Alan Richer <Alan_Richer.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date:  7 Mar 96  7:36:18 EST
Subject: Speaking of wheels....

I managed to inherit (being the inverterate packrat that I am) a wheel for a 
6.00 x 16 tire size. It's got a different part number than the others on my 
109, and I take it that it's a different size (narrower?) than the other 16s I 
have.

What kind of unmitigated hell would I be getting myself into if I put one of my 
235/85-16s on this beast and used it as a roadwheel?

     ajr

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From: jve@phaseone.dk
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 96 14:22:52 
Subject: Re: SIIa 3rd gear problems

Vel Natarajan wrote:

> - It occasionally slips out of 3rd.  Mainly when going uphill.
> I'm assuming this is because gravity is pulling back on the gear
> lever enough to pull it out when I let off the throttle pedal...

Sounds like a classic problem to me. For the series III anyway, this happens 
when the 3rd gear wheel or the 3/4 synchromesh is worn. As far as I know the IIa 
has no sync (or is that only 1st and 2nd) but it is probably the same problem.

> - The vehicle shudders like crazy when I'm coasting downhill in 3rd
> (engine braking), or when letting off the throttle.
> Are these related, or 2 separate problems?  Anyone have any ideas?

Could well be the same problem. Maybe someone else has more to say about it?

Happy Rovering

Jens Vesterdahl
Copenhagen, Denmark
1972 109 sIII STW

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Uk highways, the diesel thread
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:15:53 UNDEFINED

>>Does anyone think that their country has the best drivers?

>Well,we all know we're better than anyone else,*really*.Its just
>all these other idiots on the road........

Yup. This is exactlly why European drivers are so dangerous.......

The AA highlighted this with a survey last year which proved conclusively 
(assuming you can trust the veracity of the respondents.....) that 85% of UK 
drivers are better than average.........

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From: Vel Natarajan <nataraja@cig.mot.com>
Subject: Re: SIIa 3rd gear problems
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 07:46:16 -0600 (CST)

jve@phaseone.dk writes:
>Vel Natarajan wrote:
>> - It occasionally slips out of 3rd.  Mainly when going uphill.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>when the 3rd gear wheel or the 3/4 synchromesh is worn. As far as I know the IIa 
>has no sync (or is that only 1st and 2nd) but it is probably the same problem.

Yup, no synchros in 1st and 2nd but it is synchronized for 3 & 4.

If this (worn synchro) is all it is, then I won't worry about it too
much for now.  I'm in the UK now, but am shipping it to the states in
2 weeks.  I just don't want the transmission blowing up on me half way
across the country.

>> - The vehicle shudders like crazy when I'm coasting downhill in 3rd
>> (engine braking), or when letting off the throttle.
>> Are these related, or 2 separate problems?  Anyone have any ideas?
>Could well be the same problem. Maybe someone else has more to say about it?

This worries me more.  It's so loud, and harsh, (more so than the
normal Rover loundess and harshness :-)), that I wonder if something's
going to come to a grinding halt in there...

If this is life-threatening (for the Rover), then I MUST do something
about it before I go on my nearly 1,000 mile (1600km) drive...

>Happy Rovering
>Jens Vesterdahl
>Copenhagen, Denmark
>1972 109 sIII STW

Thanks for your reply.

Vel
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Vel Natarajan                            Phone:  +44-1793-566-323
Motorola Inc.                            Fax:    +44-1793-420-915
Email:  nataraja@cig.mot.com             Mobile: +49-171-854-6670
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From: Vel Natarajan <nataraja@cig.mot.com>
Subject: Registering an Import w/ your state...
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 07:54:37 -0600 (CST)

I've got a question on what I do once my vehicle gets thru
customs/EPA/DOT/DOAgr.

Once it's in my grubby little hands, with it's UK plates.  Am I
allowed to drive it to it's final destintion (either Buffalo, NY or
Chicago, IL), and get it registered there, or must I have US plates
for it before I am allowed to drive it on the roads there.

One story I got from the zombie at the NY State DMV is that I must
have the vehicle in the country (thru customs, etc.), and then take
all my paperwork to the DMV and get it registered before I can drive
it on the road.  (But what if I have to get it to Chicago first?)

Another story from the Customs Broker was that there's a 90 day grace
period and that I can drive it on the roads until I get it registered.
Is there any special paperwork neede for this way (if it really is
true...)?

Anyone have experience with this?

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Vel Natarajan                            Phone:  +44-1793-566-323
Motorola Inc.                            Fax:    +44-1793-420-915
Email:  nataraja@cig.mot.com             Mobile: +49-171-854-6670
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From: Tom Stevenson <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: National driving habits
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:03:09 +0000 (GMT)

Some years ago I was involved in an expedition to the south coast of
Spain; I never did fathom some of the Spanish rules of the road. In some
of the towns, the road would suddenly emerge into a vast expanse of
concrete, cobbles & tarmac with no discernable road markings, filled
with cars going in all directions. The technique we developed (three LWB
Land Rovers; two with trailers) was to pick the exit we wanted, and
drive straight to it, nose-to-tail at 10 mph.
This method also works in London.
-- 
Tom Stevenson: gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk
University Marine Biological Station, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland
Tel:(01475) 530581  Fax:(01475) 530601

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From: amaravil@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:04:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Discovery fuel consumption

I was reading Land Rover Owner INterntional and I came across numerous 
comments and articles that mentioned the Discovery's fuel consumption 
rating.  The mentioned it to be around 33 mpg.  Is that right?  Normally 
they get 29 or 30 and on good days they get 33 or 34. And they say if you 
drive it hard you should get somewhere in the low to mid 20's. What kind of 
Discovery's do they have in the UK?  When I bought my disco I was expecting 
fuel consumption in the teens.
John Maravilla
'95 Discovery

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From: jve@phaseone.dk
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 96 14:29:47 
Subject: Series III wheels

Neil Aylott wrote:

> I am considering putting big tyres on it (7.50s). The few people I have asked 
> said don't do it - it messes up the steering, speedo, suspension & generally
> wears much quicker.

Yeah, probably does. I'm on my second sIII 109 now and both have been on 7.50x16 
without problems. I even have 235/85x16 on now. Putting wider tires on the Rover 
affects the turning radius, so going from 6.00's you will surely feel a 
difference. The 88 has better turning abilities than the 109, so maybe it's not 
that much of a problem.

Happy Rovering

Jens Vesterdahl
Copenhagen, Denmark
1972 109 sIII STW

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:38:28 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Perkins (was Cummins  swap)

> duty springs.  I seem to recall that another issue is clearance of the oil 
> pan and/or front prop. shaft - actually I believe that came up with regards 
> to a Perkins, but anyway I'd check all possible dimensions.

The Perkins is also very heavy, though not like the Cummins six. 
Don't know about the 3cyl Cummins.
Oil pan clearance isn't a problem for the Perkins 4-203. The oil 
fitlter may be on full spring deflection if you have the oil filter that 
hangs straight down. The front prop shaft clearance requires a 
little grinding of the flywheel housing, but nothing major or 
detrimental. At least this is the case on the Series 88.
It sounds as if the Perkins and the Cummins have about the same rpm 
range, but the Perkins doesn't have the torque of the Cummins. The 
4-203 is a much easier install though and only requires a IIa tranny 
unless you are *very* gentle.
After reading this I have to qualify the oil pan statement. There are 
a lot of oil pans available for the Perkins. On the install  I've 
done, it wasn't a problem, nor is it on my Perk..

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:41:17 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: JP4 and Diesels

> You've got it a bit backwards. Kerosene will run in a diesel, but it
> produces less energy.
-
Well, it was only theory, as I said, I really didn't notice any 
difference.

> Now, as to the cost.. Here in NY, Kerosene is much cheaper. No road taxes on it.
> Maybe it's differant in Wisconsin...
-
Don't know, I've never priced them here. This was VA & VT and quite 
some years ago.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: Atlanta67@aol.com
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:58:46 -0500
Subject: 1966 SIIA SWB 5,813 miles 4 sale

From: Renewed Traditions

We have just purchased for sale in the US:

1966 Series IIa
88" Short wheel base
Soft top with new canvas
Right hand drive
100% original except top and paint
****** 5,813 (1 owner) ORIGINAL MILES************
Vehicle is MINT

$12,800.00

Sean Sinkule
Renewed Traditions
ATLANTA67@AOL.COM
(770)-392-1593

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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 07:59:26 -0700
From: Stephen Brown <srbrown@sair020.energylan.sandia.gov>
Subject: Re: Talk: Nissan Patrol LR Clone???

When I was about 12 years old (1965) my father had a new Nissan Patrol
here in the US, back when all other Nissan cars were sold as
Datsuns. I don't remember that much about it except that it was
extrememly rugged and spartan (as is a series Land Rover) with a olive
drab waxy smelling rag top, spare tire mounted on the rear gate. So if
they are clones they were modeled after old series Land Rovers, not
discos. I recently saw one for sale at a cheesy car lot in
Albuquerque, I was talking to someone about it and they said that they
are next to impossible to get parts for.

-- 
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 | `63  |  IIa  |          Stephen Brown
 |______|_______| 	   Geomechanics Department, MS-0751
 /___/^^^^^^\___\9	   Sandia National Laboratories
 |oo|(@)##(@)|oo|	   Albuquerque, New Mexico 87185
 |  | [####] |  |
 ======%%%%======	   email: srbrown@sandia.gov
 {*}={&&}====={*}
 {*}          {*}          RockNet: http://sair019.energylan.sandia.gov:70
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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: subscribe and unsubscribe
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 96 10:03:53 EST

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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:13:06 -0600 (CST)
From: ccray@showme.missouri.edu
Subject: Re: JP4 and Diesels

On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, Tom Rowe wrote:
 
> > Now, as to the cost.. Here in NY, Kerosene is much cheaper. No road taxes on it.
  **haha, fooled majordomo lite**
> > Maybe it's differant in Wisconsin...

in missouri, central US, k-1 kerosene is $1.50/US gallon, diesel 
at the pump is $1.05/US gallon, and no-lead is $.98/US gallon.  i 
just bought kerosene and gasoline yesterday and that was my prices. 
the kerosene was going in a salamander (which can burn diesel), so
i was interested in the diesel prices.  FWIW, kerosene burns with
no smell in the salamander heater in my garage.  in the past, 
diesel produced a smell that drifted thru the whole house (bad
for landrover/wife relations). 

ray harder (siia 88 (lulu))

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Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 10:19:07 -0500
From: Chris Witzgall <Witzgall@posh.internext.com>
Subject: David in Morgantown

There is a land rover owner in Margantown that I talked to about buying a
used transmission from. I am ready to buy, but hey, where did I put his name
and phone #! He works at the University in Morgantown. I think his first
name is David!? Please if you get this, email me your phone # and name!! Sorry!

BTW, the tranny died just before the fist snowstorm of 96. I bought the LR
in June 0f 95, for the usual reasons (my second LR) but also so I could get
out of our road if it got bad (3/4 mile dirt and gravel with hills!). Murphy
is alive and well!

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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 07:37:08 -0800
From: mumcar@ix.netcom.com (William Carter )
Subject: Re: Def-90 knocking

Leland,

Have you had it serviced recently.  I had the same problem after my 
7500 mile service.  I checked the timing and found it to be advanced 
too far, thus causing the knocking.  I reset it and it cleared up.

Bill Carter
95 D90

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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:52:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Chris Haslam <haslam@alcor.concordia.ca>
Subject: 109: Michel Bertrand

I used to have a Series III.

How are the plugs? Are they a nice light brown? Your problem might be the 
mixture.

...chris
Montreal, Canada
88 RR

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:05:03 -0800
Subject: Re: Discovery fuel consumption

On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, amaravil@copper.ucs.indiana.edu wrote:

>I was reading Land Rover Owner INterntional and I came across numerous 
>comments and articles that mentioned the Discovery's fuel consumption 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>Discovery's do they have in the UK?  When I bought my disco I was expecting 
>fuel consumption in the teens.

They're probably referring to Diesel Discos.  A diesel will have that much 
better mileage.  V8s are getting rarer over there due to the high cost of fuel.

Regards,
Eric

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:05:07 -0800
Subject: Re: Series to Range Rover axels

On Thu, 07 Mar 1996, Arron <asd1@ukc.ac.uk> wrote:

>Does anyone out there know if its possible to fit range rover 
>axels to a series III LWB landrover, and hence retain the disc brakes and 
>improved diff ratio ( is it 3.5 or 3.9 as std ? ).

I was thinking about this modification myself.  The axle ratio is 3.54:1.  It 
seeems like it would work so long as the alignments are very well measured.  
Unless you have a Salisbury rear, both prop shafts should fit.  I've never done 
this but this is my speculation.

As far as the turning radius is concerned I imagine it would be about the same 
as a 110.  Does anyone out ther have a spec for that?

Regards,
Eric

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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 11:23:22 -0500 (EST)
From: jeff@purpleshark.com (Jeffrey A. Berg)
Subject: Re: Seats: New vs. recovered?

Michael Slade writes:
>I too was thinking about Trakkers, but were told that they used plywood as
>the supporting frame.

The cushion base is plywood, but it fits into the stock Rover metal frame.
Are the factory cushions any different?

RoverOn!

JAB

==                                                                 ==
 Jeffrey A. Berg         Purple Shark Media             Rowayton, CT
                        jeff@purpleshark.com
                                *****
Look what happens when you love someone, and they don't love you.
                                       --Warren Zevon, The Heartache
==                                                                 ==

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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:18:27 -0800 (PST)
From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Registering an Import w/ your state...

On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, Vel Natarajan wrote:

> I've got a question on what I do once my vehicle gets thru
> customs/EPA/DOT/DOAgr.
 
> Once it's in my grubby little hands, with it's UK plates.  Am I
> allowed to drive it to it's final destintion (either Buffalo, NY or
> Chicago, IL), and get it registered there, or must I have US plates
> for it before I am allowed to drive it on the roads there.

My understanding of such things is that properly registered vehicles can 
be operated on the public roads.  There are many vehicles operated here 
with license plates from Europe, Canada and Mexico.  License plates from 
more exotic locales are seen from time to time.

> One story I got from the zombie at the NY State DMV is that I must
> have the vehicle in the country (thru customs, etc.), and then take
> all my paperwork to the DMV and get it registered before I can drive
> it on the road.  (But what if I have to get it to Chicago first?)

State DMV drones have a reputation, that I can confirm from personal 
experience, of being remarkably ill informed.  I had a similar experience 
calling DMV here in California from Colorado regarding the licensing 
requirements for a Peugeot 504 diesel I was bringing into the state from 
Colorado.  I couldn't even get my question understood, much less get a 
reasonable answer.

I did call US Customs here in California about the licensing rules.  The 
woman I talked with was helpful within her agency's sphere of 
responsibility, but had to beg off on the registration rules.  But what 
fell out of the discussion, consistant with my experience and second hand 
information from others, is that a properly registered vehicle, regardless 
of jurisdiction of registration, has a grace period upon being brought 
into a state before it must be registered in that state.  The grace 
period varies from state to state, but should be on the order of weeks.

I just called the State of California DMV headquarters office in
Sacramento and talked to their office that deals with foreign vehicle
registrations.  I was told, with some degree of confidence, that if I were
bringing the vehicle into California I would have 20 days to get it
registered in the State.  All I would need, assuming it had cleared
Customs, would be a title or a bill of sale from the titled owner.  SMOG
and all the rest of the issues like that would have to be dealt with based
on the vehicle's age, and the engine (diesel or petrol). 

Insurance is another question, and is probably more important than the 
registration issue.  
 
I hope this helps.  I'd suggest that anybody with questions like this, 
time permitting, write to the director of the agency in question with 
well thought out questions posed.  In this case it should be the Director 
or Commissioner of Motor Vehicles, DMV, in Albany, NY.  Anybody in New 
York should be able to get the title and address easily.

 
              * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 
              * Walter C. Swain         | wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us       *
              * Davis Community Network | 1988 Range Rover              * 
              * Davis, California       | 1967 109 Series IIA Safari SW *
              * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:35:50 -0500
Subject: Re: Def-90 knocking

In a message dated 96-03-06 11:40:12 EST, roys@hpkel13.cup.hp.com (Leland J
Roys) writes:

>Hello,
>Its been awhile since I've had a chance to look at this list, hope that
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
>For other Defender-90, DISCO owners, is this normal? or does my truck
>have a problem?

Leland, I notice some piston slap in mine for the first few minutes of
driving.  I go easy on it until it warms up a bit , then the pistons expand
and fill up the holes.  Can you tell what kind of knocking you have?  Does it
sound like pre-ignition, or actual mechanical knocking?  And:  does it ever
go away, or is there all the time hot/cold...
John. 94 d90

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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:42:29 -0500 (EST)
From: James Kirkpatrick - INEN/F94 <jkirkpat@acs.ryerson.ca>
Subject: Re: 7.50 Wheels

I was just looking into this, I have been told by some series III owners 
that I can put 750/16 tires on Series I rims which are thinner than III 
rims. Yet others have told me the rim is too thin.

Are there any Series I owners running 750/16?

Jay Kirkpatrick
jkirkpat@acs.ryerson.ca  

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From: smitha@mail.CandW.lc
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:58:41 -0500
Subject: Re: Discovery fuel consumption

On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, amaravil@copper.ucs.indiana.edu wrote:

 What kind of 
>Discovery's do they have in the UK?  When I bought my disco I was expecting 
>fuel consumption in the teens.
>John Maravilla
>'95 Discovery
>mpg in the 30s would seem to apply to the Tdi. I get 32 with my 90Tdi.
Allan
>Discovery's do they have in the UK?  When I bought my disco I was expecting 
>fuel consumption in the teens.
>John Maravilla

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: test-delete now
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 96 13:04:33 EST

this is only a test. Sorry for the wasted bandwidth.

rd/nige

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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:14:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Roberts <psu00712@odin.cc.pdx.edu>
Subject: Cummins and Bonnet Questions

Hello All,
	If you couldn't tell by now, I am still a Land-Rover neophyte and 
love to learn about these wonderful machines in hopes that I will someday 
get my coveted LWB SW...Thank you for the help.  I didn't even think 
about the 3.9L TD!  It seems to be a better idea to stick to a smaller 
engine with more power than stock than jump up to a monster like the 
5.9L.  Will the IIA or III gearbox be acceptable for a 3.9L swap?  Does 
anyone know if a defender 5 sp will fit into a 109" SW chassis without 
undo trouble?  I am partial to a TD over the stock petrol and diesel 
units because I have grand plans for an Andes (high altitude) adventure 
someday.  The 
Perkins engines were a factory authorised swap if I remember correctly.  
I recall seeing them in military FC and LWB patrol vehicle if I am not 
mistaken.  Maybe this would be a better (easier) swap.
	Does anyone know if a recessed (for a spare tyre) military bonnet 
will take a 7.5x16" spare?  I like the looks of the military bonnet 
set-up.  Will it fit on a civilian LWB SW?

Michael Roberts, Portland, Oregon, US

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: subscrbing
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 96 13:17:35 EST

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Begin partial repost of Bill C.'s message
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>Subject: Majordomo results
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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:23:53 -0800
Subject: Web Page

Hello all!

After finally getting up to speed with how this information superhighway works 
(took about as long as a Series LR getting to speed on the highway) I have 
produced a web page!  This page has some interesting Land Rover content!

URL as follows:  http://www/cloud9.net/~ericz

Please let me know what you think.....enjoy!

Regards,
Eric

------------------------------

From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:45:24 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Cummins and Bonnet Questions

Michael Roberts writes:
snip
> undo trouble?  I am partial to a TD over the stock petrol and diesel 
> units because I have grand plans for an Andes (high altitude) adventure 
-
You definately want a turbo for high altitude. Diesels like lot's of 
air.

> Perkins engines were a factory authorised swap if I remember correctly.  
-
don't know if they were authorized, but many have been done. The 
offical word from Perkins I received in a letter is that the 4-203 
(the most popular for LR conversion) was not available in turbo from. 
People have turbocharged them with success though, a very strong 
engine.

> 	Does anyone know if a recessed (for a spare tyre) military bonnet 
> will take a 7.5x16" spare?  I like the looks of the military bonnet 
> set-up.  Will it fit on a civilian LWB SW?
-
I assume you are talking about the "delux" bonnet. Yes a 7.50x16 will 
fit nad the bonnet will fit the LR. It was an optional bonnet.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:30:44 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Web Page

Eric sez:
> Hello all!

 After finally getting up to speed with how this information superhighway works 
 (took about as long as a Series LR getting to speed on the highway) I have 
 produced a web page!  This page has some interesting Land Rover content!
 
 URL as follows:  http://www/cloud9.net/~ericz
 
> Please let me know what you think.....enjoy!
-
I think you got the URL wrong. Should be www.cloud9.net
Too many /

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 11:29:56 -0800 (PST)
From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Def-90 knocking

On Thu, 7 Mar 1996 PurnellJE@aol.com wrote:

> Can you tell what kind of knocking you have?  Does it sound like 
> pre-ignition, or actual mechanical knocking?  And:  does it ever
> go away, or is there all the time hot/cold...
> John. 94 

I have a general question: would anybody care to write about "engine 
sounds" that might help a tin-ear like me. I don't know the difference 
between knocking, piston-slap, pre-ignition, etc? Is there a way to 
differentiate these sounds over the digest, or do you have to be educated 
by actually listening? (I believe there are books about bird songs....).

BTW, my 94-D90 engine makes a "ticking" sound when first started up: a 
very fast tic-tic-tic-tic-tic, etc. That I hear best when just starting 
out, but if I stop at a stop sign or light, it is still there after 5 or 
10 minutes. After driving longer, it goes away. What means this?

Best,
David

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 11:45:27 -0800
Subject: Web Page Correction

Hello Again!

I messed up the URL, it is as follows:

http://www.cloud9.net/~ericz

Sorry about the mix up.

Regards,
Eric

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:04:55 -0800
Subject: Re: Def-90 knocking

On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu> wrote:

>BTW, my 94-D90 engine makes a "ticking" sound when first started up: a 
>very fast tic-tic-tic-tic-tic, etc. That I hear best when just starting 
>out, but if I stop at a stop sign or light, it is still there after 5 or 
>10 minutes. After driving longer, it goes away. What means this?

Sounds (?) like the lifters 'pumping' up a bit.  Make sure that your oil is at 
the correct level.  Too much or too little can interfere with the hydraulic 
lifters operation.

Regards,
Eric

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:07:22 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Should I use 90W or 90W/140W?

David - always assuming you are talking SIIa, otherwise you are on the wrong 
list ;>):
>Hello all... I have what may seem like a silly question, but please
>respond with your thoughts. I live in Arizona (USA) where the summer
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>provide better protection or have any advantage over straight 90 weight?
>Should I use the same oil in diff's, x-case, gearbox, and swivel balls?

Castrol (which many people swear by and which my former employer, a major US 
oil company, thought was their main lubes competitor) recommends their Hypoy 
EP 90 in everything except the engine of a SII(a) or SIII. Penrite recommend 
Gearbox Oil 40 in gearbox and transfer box, Mild EP in the diffs, Steering 
Box Lubricant in - you have three guesses, and Semi-fluid Grease for 
swivels. Castrol seems easier on the logistics. I have no idea about high 
temperatures, though.
If you want me to, I could post your question on the Australian list, they 
should have ample experience with mild summer temperatures like 120 degrees 
F. However, they will probably recommend Foster's. 
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)

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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:07:25 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: 5.9L TD

Michael Roberts wrote:

>I am curios to know if anyone has heard of a cummins 5.9L TD has ever 
>been retrofitted into a 110" or 109" SW?  It is a great engine with ample 
>power, torque, fuel mileage and reliability.  I wonder if it is too big?

Michael - don't forget to also get new gearbox, transfer box, propshafts, 
diffs, halfshafts, brakes and springs. Or at least have your camera along to 
document the devastation your new engine will cause with those components. 
(Except the brakes, of course. The brakes will not be ruined by your engine. 
They will probably be the only salvageable parts after you fail to stop at 
that sharp corner...)

Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 12:28:12 -0700
From: slade@sisna.com (Michael Slade)
Subject: Re: Seats: New vs. recovered?

>Michael Slade writes:
>>I too was thinking about Trakkers, but were told that they used plywood as
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>RoverOn!
>JAB

I guess the factory cushions really are pressed board (or plywood), but I
was thinking about the seat back, headrests and the possibility of whiplash
when (God forbid) you are ever rear-ended.  My main concern would be
strength/safety.

PS  I've got a Defender bulkhead for sale! (courtesy: you-know-who :) )

Michael Slade
IIa 109 SW 1970
slade@sisna.com

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:37:48 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Should I use 90W or 90W/140W?

FWIW
For years I've used Drydene 85w140 ESGL gear lube.
No problems. The ESGL is some kind of Drydene formualtion that's 
supposed to give slightly better mileage, but I never tested that 
claim. I only used it for the multi visc. Figured the higher weight
operating temp rating would be good, especially in the summer.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

From: "Hugh Grierson" <Hugh_Grierson@trimble.co.nz>
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:36:10 +1300
Subject: Re: Discovery fuel consumption

ericz@cloud9.net wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, amaravil@copper.ucs.indiana.edu wrote:
> >Discovery's do they have in the UK?  When I bought my disco I was expecting 
> >fuel consumption in the teens.
> They're probably referring to Diesel Discos.  A diesel will have that much 
> better mileage.  V8s are getting rarer over there due to the high cost of fuel

They'll also be using real 4.5l gallons, not the shrunken American 
version.

-- 
Hugh Grierson   hugh_grierson@trimble.co.nz  

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 12:43:38 -0700
From: slade@sisna.com (Michael Slade)
Subject: Re: Cummins and Bonnet Questions

Michael,

If you wanna see how the bonnet works, come on over.

If you wanna see a pretty clean example of your coveted 109 SW, come on over.

If your'e bored and wanna watch some Camel Trophy Videos, come on over.

I.E.  come on over!

503 760 4798 (Portland, duh)

Michael Slade
IIa 109 SW 1970
slade@sisna.com

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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:56:09 -0500
From: Steve MARGOLIS <sim1@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: 7.50 Wheels

My 107 SW had 750/16s when I bought it in 1970.  The manual says the 107=
 should have 700/16s (and if I remember correctly, 650/16s for the 86).

While my 107 has been off the road for several years now, and I've been=
 wondering if 750/16 tires are even still available, I will have to put new=
 tires on when it is once again roadworthy.  One thing with running with=
 750/16 mud and snow tires, the lugs rub (and even catch) on the frame rails=
 when the wheels are turned anywhere near lock.

I have had absolutely no problems with the rims, however, even when hitting=
 a Mexican silent policeman at 45 mph, enough impact to cause a large bubble=
 to develop in the sidewall of one of the tires.

Steve
>I was just looking into this, I have been told by some series III owners
>that I can put 750/16 tires on Series I rims which are thinner than III
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>Jay Kirkpatrick
>jkirkpat@acs.ryerson.ca

Steve Margolis
Ithaca, NY
 
1957 107 Station Wagon, Series I, Still in kit form in Maine (Damn!)
        serial number 13470093 engine number 114707468

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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 96 20:02:07 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: NH Winter Safari 

Anyone who wants to attend, you're more than welcome.  

We are leaving KEENE NH at 10AM. Full day of off-roading (5 hours). Safe, non 
damaging off-roading. We have 3-5 Series vehicles and 3 Coil Land Rovers 
coming. 

Essentials, 

Full tank of gas, tow rope, shovel (snow shovel), tool kit.  

Bring a lunch for a tailgate lunch. Bring extra warm, dry clothing will need 
them.  

If anyone needs directions to Keene, e-mail me. 

Mark

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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 16:17:17 -0500
From: Steve MARGOLIS <sim1@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re[2]: National driving habits

>        In Mass turn signals are optional extras, passing on the right is
>mandatory as is speeding by the state trooper whose doing 55!

I've stayed out of this one long enough.  I forget who it was that said that=
 Boston rush hour wasn't bad.  Chris Browne's message above isn't quite=
 complete.  I lived in Maine for 21 years before moving to centrally=
 isolated Ithaca, NY.  I had many occasions to drive into Boston, both in=
 rush hour and not.  Here's the straight scoop:  It is sort of true that=
 turn signals are optional, but in practice Boston drivers will put on the=
 right had signal before moving to the left, and vice versa.  Signalling=
 true intentions means that whoever is behind you in the lane you want will=
 instantly pull up to prevent your moving in.  They'll also do that if they=
 catch you even looking in your mirror.

I've driven at 80 mph (I think the statute of limitations is up) in the=
 right hand lane of I-95, where there are four (official) lanes heading into=
 Bean-town, and had three lanes of cars passing me.  Usually the right hand=
 lane is the most empty.  Timid drivers avoid it because of the way Mass.=
 drivers enter and exit the interstates.  The rules of the road are much=
 like they are in Mexico: the largest vehicle takes the right of way.  Among=
 vehicles of comparable sizes, the oldest, most dented vehicle takes the=
 right of way.

Read the Boston Driver's Handbook, and pay particular attention to the=
 Ethics chapter.

By the way, a long time ago I drove in London rush hour, and was amazed how=
 6 or 7 lanes of cars would be lined up at a traffic light, when the=
 pavement was marked with 4 lanes.

Steve

Steve Margolis
Ithaca, NY
 
1957 107 Station Wagon, Series I, Still in kit form in Maine (Damn!)
        serial number 13470093 engine number 114707468

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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 16:54:21 -0600 (CST)
From: David Place <dplace@SIRNet.mb.ca>
Subject: Re: Video Conversions

Hi. Where are you located?  I can't find anyone to do the job that cheap 
here and I have often wanted the older Series Land Rover tapes from 
Europe. Dave VE4PN

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: NH Winter Safari 
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 96 16:57:49 EST

> Anyone who wants to attend, you're more than welcome.  

Even ME?

> Full tank of gas, tow rope, shovel (snow shovel), tool kit.  

OR, is *that* what the shovel and rope are for?

rd/nigel

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 17:09:41 -0600 (CST)
From: David Place <dplace@SIRNet.mb.ca>
Subject: Re: 1966 SIIA SWB 5,813 miles 4 sale

Can you give me your phone number and full name? My brother lives in 
Southern Ontario and he might be willing to go that far to pick up a good 
condition Land Rover.  Dave VE4PN

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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 96 09:22:26 EST
From: James Carley <carley@manly.civeng.unsw.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Series to Range Rover axels

Arron wrote:
>Does anyone out there know if its possible to fit range rover 
>axels to a series III LWB landrover, and hence retain the disc brakes and 
>improved diff ratio ( is it 3.5 or 3.9 as std ? ).

3.54 is standard ratio

>the leaf springs, but how does the length of the RR axel compare to the 
>sailsbury, will I need to make new propshafts or possibly use the one 
>from the SII LWB for the back which is slightly longer ?

I have no specific comments regarding the conversion, but 110's have a
salisbury rear with 3.54 ratio, and the later ones have disc brakes (and a RR
like disc front).

Non standard ratio crown wheel and pinions are readily available in Oz
and I imagine so in UK.

James Carley
Water Research Laboratory
University of New South Wales
Sydney, Australia

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From: iharper@afm.org
Subject: Starters
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 96 16:03:10 EST

Had a problem with the starter today....heard that ominous click of the 
solenoid and then nothing.  As it turns out there was power to the 
starter, but no turn over, so I dreaded having to take it out.   Then I 
decided to start it with the crank, and after I had run it for a couple of 
minutes, turned it off and in true LR style, the starter worked!!!!

Is this just an intermittent problem because of the weather or does this 
mean that I am likely to have more problems in the future? It has been up 
and down around the freezing mark lately...could the pinion have been 
stuck?

If anyone else has had a problem like this, let me know what happened.

Thanks, Ian
iharper@afm.org 

---
 This copy of Freddie 1.2.5 is being evaluated.

------------------------------

From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:12:21 -0800
Subject: Re: Re[2]: National driving habits

On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, Steve MARGOLIS <sim1@cornell.edu> wrote:
The rules of the road are much=
> like they are in Mexico: the largest vehicle takes the right of way.  Among=
> vehicles of comparable sizes, the oldest, most dented vehicle takes the=
> right of way.

So that means a Series LR would be right at home!

Driving by the "I'll make a bigger dent than you will" rules of the road!

Eric

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From: smitha@mail.CandW.lc
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 20:03:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Discovery fuel consumption

On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, amaravil@copper.ucs.indiana.edu wrote:
 What kind of 
>Discovery's do they have in the UK?  When I bought my disco I was expecting 
>fuel consumption in the teens.
Remember that US gallons are smaller, and the reference was probably to the 
diesel model.
>Discovery's do they have in the UK?  When I bought my disco I was expecting 
>fuel consumption in the teens.

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: LR ASCII Pics.
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 17:21:04 -0700 (MST)

 A while ago I got some Ascii art type pictures from somewhere. Do you
 know where I got them from? I can't remember, but I think I got the
 address from a contributor to this list.

There are at least 2 collections out there in cyberspace.  I have one of 
them:
http://www.du.edu/~tomills/lrsigs.html

T. F. Mills
tomills@du.edu                               University of Denver Library
http://www.du.edu/~tomills                          Denver  CO 80208  USA

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Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 00:26:10 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Series III wheels

NEIL AYLOTT wrote:

>      I have a '71 Series III 88" petrol hardtop with side-windows
> with the standard wheels (6.00s). I am considering putting big
> tyres on it (7.50s).

I run my 74 SIII 88" 2.5 Petrol on 7.50 x 16 tyres (on 7" Mangels rims) 
and find it a great improvement, even though the G90s are a bit noisy on 
tarmac. Gearing is up by 11% which seems to suit the rev and power band 
of the engine. Speedo is only an approximation anyway, and probably read 
high, so, given that you are not going to be hitting the high 90s is not 
much of a problem.
I have not had any problems with steering (the new column, box, relay, 
rod ends help) other than ensuring that the stops are adjusted, 
supension is unaffected, and wear should not be affected.
Go for it.

-- 
David Olley
.....................................................................................
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
.....................................................................................

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From: smitha@mail.CandW.lc
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 20:24:48 -0500
Subject: Re: Re[2]: National driving habits

On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, ericz@cloud9.net wrote:

>Driving by the "I'll make a bigger dent than you will" rules of the road!

In Zimbabwe last year I was browzing through some mags at home and read a letter 
that described how years ago someone in Bulawayo had become so enraged by having 
to avoid drivers crossing his path on a particular intersection on which he had 
right of way, that he had strapped a railway sleeper (what's that in the US, a 
crosstie?) across the front of his Land Rover and stuck to his rights. The 
letter ended with the comment that any rumours about his being on some kind of 
retainer were untrue.
I hoped it was all true.
Allan
St. Lucia 

>Driving by the "I'll make a bigger dent than you will" rules of the road!

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 00:31:14 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Speaking of wheels....

Alan Richer wrote:
> What kind of unmitigated hell would I be getting myself into if I put 
> one of my 235/85-16s on this beast and used it as a roadwheel?

In the UK it would be illegal and would invalidate insurance. In the USA 
it appears anything goes, but I can't see a good reason to have mix and 
match wheels.

-- 
David Olley
.....................................................................................
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
.....................................................................................

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Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 00:35:47 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Discovery fuel consumption

amaravil@copper.ucs.indiana.edu wrote:
> What kind of
> Discovery's do they have in the UK?  When I bought my disco I was 
> expecting fuel consumption in the teens.

Most UK Discoverys are Diesels, and these figures sound like diesel 
figures. Don't forget, though, that UK gallons are bigger than the US 
ones, when comparing consumption figures.

-- 
David Olley
.....................................................................................
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
.....................................................................................

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From: Simon Barclay <sbar@jna.com.au>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: National driving habits
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 96 11:34:00 EST

In my travels around the world I have discovered that there is one universal 
road rule;

     If in doubt, apply rule one.

     Rule one - if its bigger give way

Simon

Sydney Oz.

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From: smitha@mail.CandW.lc
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 20:38:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Uk highways, the diesel thread

On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, azw@aber.ac.uk wrote:

>(assuming you can trust the veracity of the respondents.....) that 85% of UK 
>drivers are better than average.........
>Veracity? This list shake-up has not ownly lost the tradition of some amazeing
>spelling, it is geting quite errudite.

:-)
>(assuming you can trust the veracity of the respondents.....) that 85% of UK 
>drivers are better than average.........

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From: amaravil@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 19:41:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Discovery fuel consumption

Thanks to everyone who answered my question.  It was a diesel.  I overlooked 
the make of the Disco.  It was a Tdi.  THanks again!
John
'95 Disco>
>amaravil@copper.ucs.indiana.edu wrote:
>> What kind of
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
>David Olley
>...........................................................................
..........
>Winchester, England
>Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
>    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
>...........................................................................
..........
>Winchester, England
>Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367

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From: smitha@mail.CandW.lc
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:24:10 -0500
Subject: Re: Re[3]: National driving habits

Some places are certainly worse than others. A few years ago Nigeria was the 
only country that required Canadian University Service Overseas volunteers to 
take a defensive driving course. But, have any of you driven in Manila? It is so 
bad that institutions contract it out to professionals. For example, a 
university will employ drivers, and staff and visitors are driven around as 
passengers, as I have been a couple of times. Driving in Manila means getting 
out of the lane you are in as quickly as possible. It has nothing to do with 
destination, one simply has to keep jumping lanes to keep ahead.  At stop 
lights, or at any point where the traffic is stopped, everyone turns off their 
headlights. The whole exercise is absolutely manic and one can be in a straight 
line through Metro Manila for up to 3 hours before reaching a destination in the 
city. 
Sorry - not LR specific but I'm hoping that we have a kinder and gentler list 
(:-).

 

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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 20:40:40 -0500 (EST)
From: jonny@noc.tor.hookup.net (Jonathan M. Rosenthal)

Can some one please tell me how to unsubscribe?????

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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:10:00 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Re[2]: National driving habits

Steve Margolis recalls...

>By the way, a long time ago I drove in London rush hour, and was amazed how=
> 6 or 7 lanes of cars would be lined up at a traffic light, when the=
> pavement was marked with 4 lanes.
-

In the two years I was in Turkey, I never ceased to be amased at some of the
driving there. Waiting at a railroad crossing for the train to pass would
find taxicabs lined up five abreast on *both* sides of the track... on a two
lane road. Of course, after the train passed, no-one could move either way. 

The other good trick was the "truck races" on the E-5 in the Tarsus Mts. The
highway was two lanes, with hairpin turns, steep inclines, sharp dropoffs
and no guard rails. The Turks had these big dump trucks they drove around
in. The trucks were underpowered so the didn't go very fast uphill and they
had bad brakes so they didn't dare go very fast downhill. Every once in a
while, one truck driver thought he could go ever so  slightly faster than
the truck ahead and would decide to pass, thereby effectively blocking the
entire road. More than once I came around a blind turn to find myself face
to face with that lunacy.

Cheers
Mike
 

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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:09:57 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Registering an Import w/ your state...

Vel asks...

-I've got a question on what I do once my vehicle gets thru
-customs/EPA/DOT/DOAgr.
-
-Once it's in my grubby little hands, with it's UK plates.  Am I
-allowed to drive it to it's final destintion (either Buffalo, NY or
-Chicago, IL), and get it registered there, or must I have US plates
-for it before I am allowed to drive it on the roads there.

You can do anything if you lie enough!!  :-)

A few years back I met a bloke from England who was touring the US with his
109. UK plates and all. Unfortunately, I don't know if he had any special
arrangements.

My own personal experience was in 1977 with picking up my car (a 1971 Fiat
124 Spyder) at the port in New Jersey after returning from a tour of duty in
Turkey. I had plates on the car that read "U.S.FORCES TURKEY". I did have to
have auto insurance from a US carrier before I could pick up the car. I
didn't have any problems with the local constubulary and I drove around for
a couple of weeks like that before getting the car re-registered with NY
plates. (I had purchased and registered this car in NY State before
transferring to Turkey in 1975)

At the very least I would expect that you should have insurance on the car.
I work in ALbany, NY and I'll try to get some sort of info out of the NY DMV
office. Of course, you realize that if you talk to five DMV employees, you
will get five differant stories!!

Cheers
Mike
  

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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:10:04 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Starters

Ian sez...

>Had a problem with the starter today....heard that ominous click of the 
>solenoid and then nothing.  As it turns out there was power to the 
>starter, but no turn over, so I dreaded having to take it out.   Then I 
>decided to start it with the crank, and after I had run it for a couple of 
>minutes, turned it off and in true LR style, the starter worked!!!!
-

Sounds like maybe worn brushes or a dead spot in the armature. The vibration
from the engine running probably got the starter to turn enough to get past
the dead spot. 

Dave Bobeck's "fix" involves a 2x4 and a largish hammer, I believe...

Cheers
Mike

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 22:17:27 -0500
Subject: Fwd: Majordomo results: rro digest

I would like to know if the rro list is combined  with the lro list in the
digest. Apparently there is not a sep. rro-digest. Myself and others have
enquiried about this since the dread split, but no answer. My preference
would be to see both lists combined in one digest. There all who are
interested can read or scan postings as they wish, and all LR Product Owners
can benefit. Long live the Birmabrite Brotherhood! 
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Subject: Land Rover Exchange
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 96 22:48:05 -0500
From: Wood Bill <bill@billwood.com>

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The following text comes from the home page of my new Land Rover exchange
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Thanks for your attention. Cheers!

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From: jpappa01@interserv.com
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 20:11:25 -0800
Subject: Re: 	Bye Bye Interserv

To all my friends:

I finally got tired of paying megadollars to Interserv so I am in process of 
switching my provider to PCIX. I should be with them by week's end.

Please contact me after the weekend at:

Roverhed@pcix.com

cheerz
Jim - now I'll never get any sleep!

`67 2A 88 5.0L hybrid
`67 2A 109 5.0L hybrid
`68 2B 110 F/C diesel
`70 P6B 3500S
`90 Range Rover County
`93 D110 (#457/500)
`95 D90 #1958

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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 23:25:39 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: National driving skills

Several have commented on the relative skills (or lack thereof) of the 
indigenous population.  My vote?  Tunisia.  Which is all the more strange as 
there was a 100% tariff on imported cars.  Sent there in the Peace Corps, I 
wasn't in country five minutes before I saw my first head-on wreck - one 
between a Peugot 404 and a huge lorry loaded with wine.  Several of us 
stopped to help the lorry driver (the sedan driver was toast) while a few 
others "helped" with the cargo.

I drove a diesel 88 all over the country (we were renovating water wells) 
and you could drive for hours sometimes without seeing another car, but if 
you did, it was liable to be two of them in a wreck.  (Mopeds were the most 
common form of motorized transport.  A 250cc bike was a *hog*!)  Despite the 
cost and scarcity of vehicles, the locals seemed to crack 'em up like there 
was no tomorrow...and none appeared to have brakes.  Most driving was 
accomplished with the "Egyptian brake pedal" AKA, the horn.

I wasn't until I visited this carnival/county fair-type of thing that I 
understood.  They had these dodge 'em cars on an oval track, but instead of 
electrified, they were gas propelled...and these things could really move.  
Somebody would race ahead of the pack, do a U-turn and *challenge* everybody 
else racing towards him!  Cars would get routinely flipped, thrown off the 
track..in short, motorized mayhem.  And it was considered great sport!  
Carried over to the highways, evidently.  Cheers
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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 20:37:57 -0800
From: scooper@scooper.seanet.com (Sandy Cooper)
Subject: Re: Starters

     I had a similar problem 16 years ago in my series 11a.  I Used to put
the vehicle in gear and rock it back and forth, then she'd start.  It has'nt
had that problem since.
John Cooper

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From: Daryl Webb <dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au>
Subject: RRO-digest = CSO-digest !
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:15:54 +1030 (CDT)

> Apparently there is not a sep. rro-digest.

Oh No its happening again, I seem to be the only one getting mail from 
Bill C. concerning the lists.  This is scarey look what happened when it 
took five months for people to find out about RRO :-(

below is an extract from a posting by Bill, reposted by John Purnell a few
days back and repeated by me, Come on guys read this stuff it saves heaps
of band width :-(

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From: Daryl Webb <dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Series III wheels
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:31:26 +1030 (CDT)

NEIL AYLOTT asks that old favourite:
>      I have a '71 Series III 88" petrol hardtop with side-windows 
> with the standard wheels (6.00s). I am considering putting big 
> tyres on it (7.50s). The few people I have asked said don't do it - 
> it messes up the steering, speedo, suspension & generally wears much 
> quicker.

Ok I conceed that it will mess up the speedo, *but* if changing to 7.50 
-16 tyres mucks up so much other stuff why did rover ever offer it as a 
factory option????

I would not fit 7.50's to the standard 5.00" swb rim, for a start it isnt 
legal....  *but* on a set of 5.50" rims, either the pre-68 lwb/ 88" 
optional ones (1 13/16" offset P.N. 272309) or post 68 109" (1 5/16" 
offset 568966 or 110- NRC 7578)   Go for it.  You will probably need to 
adjust the steering lock-stops but this is no big deal, you could 
probably even get a speedo from a 109 if you wish.
 
cheers

-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:23:03 -0800
From: uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Clinton D. Coates)
Subject: Crane Ignition and waxoil

Someone wrote to me a while back about the crane ignition
system.  Well, I finally got it :)  but they sent me the 
one for a negative ground :( so I have to wait a bit longer
for installation.  I am hoping someone could answer the 
following questions so I can psych myself up for the job when
I get the proper system.
- use the big rotor or the small rotor?
- how did you get the cable out of the distributor? Just looking
  at it, I was thinking that an old low tension lead terminal
  block could be stripped, drilled and siliconed for the job???
- the wire looks pretty stiff for the vacuum advance.  Was it
  a problem?
- should I have shelled out the big bucks for a lumenition system
  instead? "duuh,, loomy...what?" (local auto parts store).

PS. thanks all for the waxoil/corrosion tips.  No canadian 
suppliers though eh?

Clinton "I want a diesel" Coates

--
 __x___x_  /    Clinton D. Coates  uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca    
|__|__|__\/__   
|     |   |_ |  *Emerson* 61 lwb pickup.....mostly runs
  (_)"""""(_)"  *If it doesn't leak, its not a Land Rover*

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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:24:05 -0800
From: uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Clinton D. Coates)
Subject: Unstable idle

Emerson drives great.  When it is dry, the motor is
powerful (sort of) and idles smoothly.  When it is rainy
or otherwise damp, it fluctuates wildly.  When I am
actually driving, it runs fine.  Pull up to a stop light
and I spend half the time fiddling with the throttle-
first it wants to die, then it starts to roar, then
it wants to die, then it starts....etc.  I have:

1) checked the jet on my 1 barrell weber (2yrs old
   20k miles)  it is clean.
2) new distributor, new rotor, new low tension lead,
   new points (yes they are set to 15 thou), new
   condenser, new plugs.
3) the plug and coil wires are the same age as the 
   carb. The rubber boots seem to seal well.
4) battery terminals are tight and everything seems
   to charge properly.

This didn't happen last year.  I drove through some
monumental rainstorms/puddles with nary a gasp or
stutter.  The only problems used to occur when driving
in 4" deep slush/puddles near Prince George last 
Christmas.

Please tell me that this will be cured by an electric
ignition!

Clinton "I want a diesel" Coates

--
 __x___x_  /    Clinton D. Coates  uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca    
|__|__|__\/__   
|     |   |_ |  *Emerson* 61 lwb pickup.....mostly runs
  (_)"""""(_)"  *If it doesn't leak, its not a Land Rover*

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: why North Carolina?
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 01:38:48 -0700 (MST)

Does anybody know the whys, wherefores, etc. of BMW and Mercedes setting 
up shop in North Carolina?  Why did they pick that location?

Is there any reliable confirmation that Discos made in NC will be badged 
BMW? 

(Please feel free to forward this q to the BWM and Merc lists if anybody 
has their addresses handy, but please make sure an any answers get back 
to me.)

TIA

T. F. Mills
tomills@du.edu                               University of Denver Library
http://www.du.edu/~tomills                          Denver  CO 80208  USA

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date:  8 Mar 96  6:35:23 EST
Subject: Re: Crane Ignition and waxoil

>I am hoping someone could answer the 
>following questions so I can psych myself up for the job when
>I get the proper system.

T'was probably me. I have one.....

>- use the big rotor or the small rotor?

The big one, i believe. Use the one that fits over the cam on the shaft.

>- how did you get the cable out of the distributor? Just looking
>  at it, I was thinking that an old low tension lead terminal
>  block could be stripped, drilled and siliconed for the job???

Exactly what I did, except I drilled it and fitted a grommet.

>- the wire looks pretty stiff for the vacuum advance.  Was it
>  a problem?

Nope. put in a fairly large loop.

>- should I have shelled out the big bucks for a lumenition system
>  instead? "duuh,, loomy...what?" (local auto parts store).

Nope. Works fine, lasts a long time (I hope).

Some other tips:

Make sure you clear the back of the distributor rotor. Withe the NAPA one I 
had, I had to cut awayy the rear of the rotor, as there was no way to set the 
pickup to get it to work AND clear the cap/rotor. Best off might be to do a 
tune-up at the same time and fit a small Lucas rotor with no rear projection.

Use the LONG offset bit to attach the pickup assembly to the baseplate. The 
short one won't get you into proper alignment range with #1 cylinder firing 
point.

Finally, just  convert the damn car to negative ground. Positive ground bits 
are getting harder and harder to come by all the time...

     ajr

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