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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:04:22 +1100
From: Gregory J Pointing <pointing@magna.com.au>
Subject: Series 1 Restoration Project

I currently own a series 1 107" Ute that has had an unapproved Holden 186
engine swap.   Being currently in a state of dissasembly after being used as
an intro to off reading car and a farm ute it was/is in pretty bad shape.

I am considering swaping the motor over as well as the gearbox.  I am
unshore of what would be best.  A rover 3.5l unleaded V8 in carby version
mated to a 5 speed box and transfer case from a later model,  or a Isuzu
3.9l 4cyl diesel mated to a 5spd box.   

I dont have a lot of money to play with so I hope to retain as much as
possible of the existing running gear as I can.   Unijoints in the front
axle,  semi-floating rear axles and standard diffs with 11" drums on all 4
wheels.   

The vehicle will be mainly used off road for weekends away and day trips,
but travel to sites will be 2 hours plus.   I would appreciate any commenst
and throught on what my options are,  or just your thoughts on the matter.
I want to keep the outside looking as close to original as possible as the
'LEGO' look of the series 1 appeals to me.  

thanx

Greg P.

Visual and Data Presentation equipment for Magiboards Australia Pty Ltd,
Incorporating Image Presentation Solutions.

Phone:  61 2 638 7677				E-mail:	pointing@magna.com.au
Fax:	61 2 684 1608				Mobile:	015 229 454

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From: "jean gruneberg" <grunberg@iaccess.za>
Date:          Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:12:20 +0200
Subject:       Re: Children / Airbags

Hi all

I know this was covered recently but the November 17 (vol 44/45) 
issue of the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly report has an article on 
the use / safety of airbags in front with small children.  The 
article lists 8 airbag related deaths with apparently at least one 
in a rearward facing seat.   After reading how one child had its head 
crushed against the roof from airbag deployment (yes the child was 
*unrestrained*) i'm not too sure I would let any child / person under 
say 40-50 kilo's travel in the front with bags fitted.

BTW the MMWR article is available as ftp//cdc.gov in the publications 
directory.

Regards
Jean
_________________________________

Jean Andre Gruneberg

Vector Control Lab.                ph  +27 31 282274
Durban City Health                 fax +27 31 3003030
P.O.Box 2443
4000 Durban                       
South Africa                   e-mail grunberg@iaccess.com

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 00:23:47 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: LR sighting, on CD-ROM

Okay, so I'm working at Hewlett-Packard, down in Palo Alto, birthplace of the 
microcomputer (Xerox Parc), home of dozens of cool high-tech companies, and 
the place where Fry's electronics (computer store) is *the* place to pick up 
chicks.  

So, being a computer nerd from way back, I of course visit various computer 
stores on a regular basis.  One day, I was at NCA, a local low-price, 
low-service clone parts dealer when I spotted a CD-ROM called "Automobile 
Registry: '95 Imports".  So I pick it up to see what's up.  

It's basically a new car guide on disc, but what caught my eye was the list 
of auto mfrs on the back.  I spotted Land Rover almost immediately, and 
decided $10 wasn't a bad investment.  So I took it home to see what's what.

I expected a picture or two of each model, specs on the vehicles, and that's 
it.  But, I noticed that both the Disco and Range Rover had video clips.  
(The defender 90's not included on the disc, for some reason.) 

The Range Rover video is just some footage of the vehicle driving, including 
some not at all challenging off-highway stuff.  But when I saw the Disco 
stuff, I recognized it for what it was; footage of La Ruta Maya!  Coolsville! 
 And there's a great bit of a Disco plunging into a big mud puddle.  
Definitely worth the cost.  

And it's not bad as a reference for new cars (I bought the domestic disc 
too.)

I'm still working on figuring out if you can get the footage off the disc, 
but in the meantime, if anyone wants a copy, let me know and I'll see if they 
have more.

It's called Automobile Registry, put out by ARC Media, Inc, 386 Cadman Drive, 
Buffalo, NY, 14221, USA.  

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:31:10 +0001
From: wassili@AMC.UVA.NL (Roy Wassili)
Subject: Discovery experiences

>I was reviewing your recent posting on the LRO list and noticed that you are
>a  Discovery owner. I am contemplating the purchase of a 1996 Discovery and
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>Sincerely,
>Mark Novey
Hello Mark,

I'am a Discovery owner for two months now and have been driving about 3000
miles, from wich some are off road. Before I owned a Suzuki Samurai and two
Toyota Landcruisers 2.4 TD LJ 70. The Discovery is a '95 3 drs 300 TDi
commercial model, wich means blinded side( behind the drivers and passengers
door that is) and alpine windows and no back seat. My car is also very stock
equipped, wich means manual door locks and manual operated windows( but then
Lucas won't get on this one), airbag, no airco, standard 205x16 Michelin M+S
244 tires and steel rims and only two speakers. So far I love the car and
have had no problems of any kind. The milage is much better then the
Landcruiser also. 

Compared to the Suzuki and Landcruisers I find the Discovery much more
comfortable, both on- and off-road. I use this car mainly for driving to
work and back( lots of traffic jams on wich I have a clear view due to the
high driving position. In the Netherlands 4wd's are not that common ). But
during the weekends and vacancies I use the car where it's build for though(
not just another LR on blocks! ).

LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR
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      |   _____/|__||   Roy Wassili,<wassili@amc.uva.nl>
      |  /(-8|  \   |   Avalon Green '95 Discovery, VG-XH-66
  ____|_/[]__|__\___|#  scarved for live
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  ( o )        ( o )

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:45:31 +0800 (WST)
From: TONY YATES  <tonyy@waalpha.wa.BoM.GOV.AU>
Subject: Re: Series 1 Restoration Project

On Mon, 20 Nov 1995, Gregory J Pointing wrote:

> I dont have a lot of money to play with so I hope to retain as much as
> possible of the existing running gear as I can.   Unijoints in the front
> axle,  semi-floating rear axles and standard diffs with 11" drums on all 4
> wheels.   

The burning question is - how much money do you have to play with?

A 3.9 Isuzu diesel would cost ~$4k, "serviced", I'm not sure if that 
includes ancillarys, and is probably also an exchange price. I'm not sure 
what the second hand market is like in these motors but I have never seen 
one advertised, except  by the second hand importers.

You should be able to pick up a running Rover V8 for $1500-$2500, if it 
needs work then add $2-$4k.

Also add a bit for extras such as radiator, and any other ancillarys that 
don't come with the motor.  You would also have to modify engine mounts, 
chop the firewall, move the front panel forward, modify the bonnet.....

I shudder to think what a 5-speed g/box would cost you second hand, if 
you could find one.

Personally I would have the Holden motor recon'd (if it needs it), for
<1k, stick in a IIA g/box, have the diffs converted to a higher ratio, 
say 4.1 for those longer trips, or buy an overdrive.

The Holden 186 is an approved conversion in most states (I think), it is 
in WA anyway.  If you put in a V8 you might have to upgrade the brakes 
and the diesel is quite heavy so then you have to think about front 
springs etc.

Whatever you do I highly recommend having it approved by the licensing 
dept in your state for insurance purposes.

Good luck.  

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From: Tom Stevenson <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Viva South Africa
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:39:14 +0000 (GMT)

I fear that the result of the international was a foregone conclusion.
Will Carling is obviously shagged out.
-- 
Tom Stevenson: gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk
University Marine Biological Station, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland
Tel:(01475) 530581  Fax:(01475) 530601

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From: Richard Jones <rich@apricot.mee.com>
Subject: bull bars
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:49:25 +0000 (GMT)

Lloyd Allison writes:
> 	I have not heard of anyone actually doing crash testing yet.

All LRP Bull Bars are crash tested, and have been for a number of
years as far as I know.
__ 
  _ __              Apricot Computer Limited
 ' )  )      /      3500 Parkside               Tel:   (+44) 121 717 7171
  /--' o _. /_      Birmingham Business Park    Fax:   (+44) 121 717 0123
 /  <_<_(__/ <_     BIRMINGHAM  B37 7YS
 Richard Jones      United Kingdom              Email: richardj@apricot.mee.com

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From: i.mitchell@ic.ac.uk
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 95 11:47:21 GMT
Subject: Hard top for sale

Hi all
Well for those of us in the Northern hemisphere at least, it's almost winter
 time.  If any of you can't stand another winter with a soft top on your SIII
 SWB, then I have a hard top (limestone) and safari door (blue) for sale.  It 
is in the West London area.  If anyone is interested then drop me a line. 

Cheers Ian

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Date: 20 Nov 95 08:01:41 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Elec. Fans (was: Ice...thermostat)

> No doubt a candidate for an electric fan, either as a primary or secondary
> unit.  Has anyone installed an electric fan for their Series Rover, Lucas
> permitting? :)

I had a Kenlow in front of the radiator of a S.III 109 4-cyl.petrol.
A very recommendable add-on, IMO. Reduces the risk of fuel vapor lock,
and even improves mileage if you remove the old 'propeller' (always carry
it with you though, just in case...), engine also warms up quicker in winter.

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Date: 20 Nov 95 08:02:51 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Thermostat removed (was: Ice...)

>> Seriously though, is there any reason NOT to remove the thermostat from
>> my motor.  I figure that it isn't really necessary here and I might get
>> better cooling without the restriction.
...
> ...[snip]....  People pull out the thermostat, and the car runs
> hotter.  Dont know if the same would apply to the rover V8 but...

We had the thermostat out of a V8 Efi *for test purposes only* when looking
for a fault, and as a result the engine stayed *cold*, never reached its
operating temperature, neither on the highway nor downtown. Outside temp
was cool, though.  YT(emperature)MV

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 95 07:12:44 -0600
From: "John B. Friedman" <johannes@draco.slip.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Disco Center Differential trouble

After posting to a number of prospective Discovery people about my pretty trouble free
first 10K, the Raver gods have struck. The other morning I released the parking brake and 

let out the clutch only not to go forward, as if the PB was on. I gave a little more gas and  
with a lurch  it went. This happened repeatedly both with and without  the PB being  
applied.
	I concluded that it probably was not a sticking PB when I started coming up to a stop
light and putting the clutch in to roll and feeling a clamping sensation like the PB going on 

which would  bring the car to a halt on its own.
	The car has now been at the dealers--undiagnosed--since Wed. Naturally the car  
would not  do this until 5 min before closing on Wed after they had told me they could find 

nothing wrong with the brake. 

	Could it be ABS? No sign of the ABS light.  The car runs fine at speed but as soon as  
down around 2-3 miles an hour this clamping comes on. The center  diff. lock seems
odd too and the light is not going out readily. 

	Anyone have any thoughts? I am not too confident of my dealer after they have let  
the car sit there all this time. Thanks, John Friedman

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 20 Nov 95  8:08:09 EST
Subject: A Modest Proposal.....

While fiddling with my Land-Rover this weekend, it occurred to me that I've 
made many a change in the aluminum beast in its tenure with me, and I'll 
probably be making many more (Gotta get that Mr. Fusion onto the 
engine.....<grin>..).

As I am a copious (one might say obsessive) note-taker, I've already got 
information as to the origins of the add-on parts I've put in, as well as 
annotated schematics noting wiring changes I've made, parts I've added and so 
on. This can get voluminous when you're as big a tinkerer as I am, but it's 
worth the effort. Should I ever seel the beast, of course the notebook(s) with 
the changes would go with him, rather like aircraft logbooks.

The reason I mention this is as a suggestion to those of us who don't exactly 
keep their Rovers "stock" ...and who does?

 Power brakes next - and maybe power steering? -Alan

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From: "jean gruneberg" <grunberg@iaccess.za>
Date:          Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:29:34 +0200
Subject:       Airbags / Children

Hi all
This is my second attempt at getting this to the list, first lost
in cyberspace?  If they both arrive, my humble apologies.

There was a query on the net recently about the use of passenger air 
bags and children / kiddie seats.  The recent copy of Morbidity and 
Mortality Weekly report has a report on air bag associated fatalities 
in children.  They list 8 cases and highlight 3, one of which 
includes a 20 month old child killed in a rearward facing child
safety seat.  After reading the stories (one child had fatal head 
injuries after hitting the roof of the vehicle on deployment of the
air bag, child was *unrestrained* at the time).  

FWIW  I'm not too sure I would put any kid less that 40 odd kilo's 
in the front of a car with air bags.

The way the document is the Nov17 issue of MMWR available from the 
CDC via FTP.  It is in their /publications directory.  This can be 
reached either via WWW or anonymous FTP.

Hope this helps to make some decisions.

Regards
Jean
_________________________________

Jean Andre Gruneberg

Vector Control Lab.                ph  +27 31 282274
Durban City Health                 fax +27 31 3003030
P.O.Box 2443
4000 Durban                       
South Africa                   e-mail grunberg@iaccess.com

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:13:28 -0500
From: nadyne@bccom.com
Subject: Re: LR sighting, on CD-ROM

LRNA just sent me a video (as a new Disco owner) of the 
expedition.  It's sort of a training video on off road 
driving and it very well done.  Perhaps they can make them 
available at a reasonable cost.

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:17:35 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Strange lights...

Sandy Grice writes
> Came across a "new" Land Rover today...some folks nearby have just purchased 
 a IIa 109 safari (didn't get much other info).  This Rover has the front 
 turn signals in these little pods on top of the wings.  I've seen this 
 before...usually on vehicles fitted with front jerry cans.  As all seem to 
> be similar, is this a factory mod or what?  And if so...what years?

Sandy,
The pod shaped lites were, I believe, a LR option. I seem to recall 
seeing them in a LR brochure from around '75. I had a friend and 
fellow LR fanatic in VT, rest his soul, who had a '64 109 that had them 
mounted on the wings to use with bumper mounted jerry cans. They had 
Lucas lights in them. 
I had a '64 109 that had a similar set up, only the pods were a single 
wedge that housed both lights. The original lights were removed and 
moved up to the wedge. Cover plates were put over the resulting holes 
in the wings.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:22:56 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Strange lights...

I need to correct a recent posting. The brochure I saw the pods in 
was an '85, not a '75. Sorry.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:03:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Series 1 Restoration Project

On Mon, 20 Nov 1995, TONY YATES wrote:

> > I dont have a lot of money to play with so I hope to retain as much as
> > possible of the existing running gear as I can.   Unijoints in the front
> > axle,  semi-floating rear axles and standard diffs with 11" drums on all 4
> > wheels.   
> The burning question is - how much money do you have to play with?
	
	Changing the brakes over is common up here...  However, the engine
	swap is diferent.  The common swap in Seires I's is to a 2.25l
	engine.

> Also add a bit for extras such as radiator, and any other ancillarys that 
> don't come with the motor.  You would also have to modify engine mounts, 
> chop the firewall, move the front panel forward, modify the bonnet.....

	It would be messy...

> I shudder to think what a 5-speed g/box would cost you second hand, if 
> you could find one.

	Under $500 Canadian.

	I see that the weather has taken a distinct turn for the worse
	down there in Oz...  :-)  Twisters, lightning and a real big
	dark storm cloud...

	Rgds,
	
	Dixon

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:12:14 -0500
From: David McKain <mckain@cemr.wvu.edu>
Subject: LR For Sale

FOR SALE:
1966 SIIA SWB Land Rover
80% Restored - Licensed, Inspected, Insured, Roadworthy
This vehicle was purchased last November as a project car. The frame 
was repaired by the previous owner who did an excellent job with the 
exception of an original rear cross member. The engine has less than 
3000 miles on a fresh rebuild. Specifications are:

Three door safari with tropical roof (green/white)
New 7.50 x 16 Tires (bias-ply deep tread) 
New body side door seals

$ 7,750.00

If you are interested please contact David McKain @
mckain@cemr.wvu.edu or feel free to call at
304 599-0120

David McKain
'66 SWB
'1SWB + 1SWB + 1SWB = 1SWB + Lots of parts

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Date: 20 Nov 95 11:30:34 EST
From: Robert Dennis <73363.427@compuserve.com>
Subject: ARB Air Lockers

    Well I have finally done it. With the sale of my '76 FJ40 yesterday, I
relieved myself of the last, non LandRover vehicle that I owned. It is kind of
scary to put that much faith in Joe Lucas<g>.
    Anyway, I had told myself that once I sold the FJ40, that I would treat
myself and the SerIII to an ARB Air Locker. Now that I have begun to seriously
research this purchase, I would like to know if anyone on the list, has
installed the ARB. I have heard from a few people that it is difficult to
install, but none of them have done it themselves, and they are just repeating
what someone else told them. I just finished rebuilding a diff, and I wouldn't
think it would be any worse than that.
   Also, any comments pro or con about the unit itself would be appreciated. I
have only heard good things about it, but some first hand experience would be
nice.

 TIA

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:46:26 -0500 (EST)
From: "Jon Moody (BME)" <mood@cortex.rad.unc.edu>
Subject: 88 range rover... (

I'm new to this list so please excuse any protocol errors.  I am
considering buying a 88 Range Rover for 11K from a wholesaler.  I am not real
familiar with these cars and am curious as to what I should be looking for
- weak points, caveats  when buying from a wholesaler etc. TIA.

Jon Moody

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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 03:14:07 -0700
From: cyoungso@Direct.CA (Chris Youngson)
Subject: Re: Range Rover Squeaking Spedometer

>To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
>The squeaking noise comming from my '89 RR speedometer/speedometer cable is
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>sort of problems?  Thanks
>Kevin Kelly

As for lubing the cable: There is an adapter availible the threads
on to the end of the cable which has a grease nipple on the other
end. You simply fill the cable with grease. I think I saw it in 
the Eastwood's catalog (1-800-820-9042). this would be an easy
project on the lathe if you have access to one. 73, Chris

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Chris Youngson           cyoungso@direct.ca      1965 Series IIA 109 3 Door
West Vancouver                                   Limestone (in pieces)
British Columbia         
Canada                   Amateur Radio: VE7CST
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 95 10:17:19 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: Intermittant turn sig problem with Disco's

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: Intermittant turn sig problem with Disco's
John, (and others with turn signal prob's.)

I had a problem with the turn signal fuse blowing out (short) after
4-wheeling one evening. I thought I'd give it my best stab, before bringing
it into the dealer of an electrical shop. (not under warranty). I started
checking the wiring harnes(es) for shorts, rubbing on the frame, etc, then
removed the light assemblies, and there it was! The rear light assembly was
not *carefully* replaced. It was installed in such a way as to pinch the
wires between the back side of the plastic housing, and the reinforcing
behind the lens opening. Over time, the pinched wires insulation wore
through and caused the short.

Be careful where the wires are before replacing the attaching screws.

Hope this helps....

Dave (now shortless ;-o ) Brown

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:04:27 -0800
From: cboese@co.san-bernardino.ca.us (Christopher Boese)
Subject: Discovery quality

Mark, I may have spoken too soon when I recommended the Discovery to you. I
see that you sent me a note that meant you'd taken my opinion seriously (by
the way, I accidentally deleted it without reading it - could you send it
again?) Unfortunately, I have something new to report. Last Friday I decided
to use some of my lunch time to explore a dirt road at the foot of the
mountains here, just a couple of miles from my office. About a hundred yards
up, my engine stalled and wouldn't restart - it just rumbled a bit and cut
out. I called LR roadside service and they sent a truck to tow me the 80
miles into Pasadena to the dealer. Obviously, there's not only the metallic
creaking I was complaining about, but now something rather more profound
going wrong. It's probably a fuel problem, but one hopes that the bugs in a
new vehicle won't leave one immobilized.

I may hear from the dealer today. Meanwhile I'm in a rented Ford Escort
(humiliating).

Christopher Boese
County of San Bernardino, California
Information Services, Information Systems Security Office
'95 beluga black Discovery, not running

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From: crash@merl.com
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:09:48 -0500
Subject: Re: Antennas on a Disco

My disco has a through-glass cellular antenna on the right rear door 
window, up at the top corner (just out of range of the windshield wiper).

I mounted my ham antenna (a Larsen Dual-Band thru-glass) on the bottom 
of the rear door glass, left of the spare, again just out of reach
of the wiper, toward the center of the vehicle (this is in the
little extension of the glass that the Discos have).

Dispite the lack of a "clear shot to the horizon" of both antennas, 
Real Life Testing show that both work just fine.  Both antennas have about
three inches of projection above the roofline; that's all I can afford
if I want to park in the parking garage here at work.

Now, I just gotta build that flat-patch GPS antenna.  :-)

	-Bill (94 Disco)

	

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From: ScottFugate_Group8@ctdvns1.ctd.ornl.gov
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 95 13:19:12 EST
Subject: Turn Signal Switch - Got One?

Gang,

Anybody got a parts truck with a working "Magnatex" turn signal switch?  Mine 
has become "politically correct" and will only signal left turns.  Determined 
efforts by me to bring back its prior conservative "right" leanings have 
failed.  The mechanical parts are OK; I just need the internal toggle switch 
and wiring.   Replacements (whole units or parts) for these things don't seem 
to be available.  Please help.  Hand signals are hard to see in the dark, even 
for those people who know what they are.

Scott Fugate  
423-523-5136  - Leave message or E mail me direct

1970 IIA 88
1989 RR

BT

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From: a-robw@microsoft.com
Subject: Re: LR sighting, on CD-ROM
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:00:18 -0800

I mentioned last week that during a brief chat with LRNA Customer Service, 
they offered to send a copy of the 1994? CT in Sabah, Malaysia for free, how 
could I say no? For those of you who liked the 1995 CT video on ESPN/2 
(coming soon to ESPN)  you'll love this one. The tape consists of a 5 min 
promo on the "new" 1994 D-90 (with the M/T tires) as a teaser and a 5 min 
promo on the Land Rover Experience in Aspen, Colorado (What Tom Collins 
does, when he's not coaching the USA CT team).  In between is a 45-50 min 
documentary of the trip through Malaysia. Excellent coverage of what goes on 
between the "special tasks" that occur at the beginning and the end of the 
run.

Tips on the CT from (a layman's perspective after) watching the movie:
	1) be handy with a shovel. while I'm sure the contestents got to drive 
some, most of the documentary time was spent on showing them dig/rebuild 
roads.
	2) 1 word: MUD (that's with a Capital "M")  I suspect the trophy run areas 
are chosen based on mud depth, the deeper and gooier the better.
	3) Be able to go with out sleep (while building roads in the jungle) for 
weeks (at least 2) at a time. You can't let a little mud come between you 
and your time table. 

This video made put running the CT in a little better perspective than the 
1995 version, i.e. it better showed what driving 1500 miles though an 
uninhabited jungle for 2 weeks with you and your rover (and 32 of your 
closest rover buddies) was really like. 

One other comment on the CT. It looked like they had 4 people in some of the 
Discoveries! (Driver, co-driver & press team) Cozy!
---------
From: 	nadyne@bccom.com[SMTP:nadyne@bccom.com]
Sent: 	Monday, November 20, 1995 6:13 AM
Subject: 	Re: LR sighting, on CD-ROM

To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

LRNA just sent me a video (as a new Disco owner) of the 
expedition.  It's sort of a training video on off road 
driving and it very well done.  Perhaps they can make them 
available at a reasonable cost.

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   /|__|_\___                            Bob Watson
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  |  _|=  |=  |o_  }\                
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From: "Stefan R. Steiner" <ssteiner@almaden.ibm.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:09:27 -0800
Subject: Cheap Disco workshop manuals

Howdy,
  I just bought a 1995 Disco workshop manual for:
    US$38.90 - unbounded workshop manual
    US$20.66 - real slick looking LR WS binder
This seems much cheaper than what I have seen people complain about here in
LRO. I assume I could have simply bought the unbound manual only and saved the
$20, but I figured I should put those lovely pages in the genuine binder. If
your dealer still wants > $100 for the manual, call:
  San Jose British Motors,
   +1.408.246.7784
see ya,
Stefan

'95 Disco, 5sp
'72 FJ-40, 350SB

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:19:28 -0900
From: abalser@merlin.salrm.alaska.edu (Andrew Balser)
Subject: one more try

Hello,
    This is the third attempt to submit something to this list
 without inadvertently screwing it up.  Of course, by now the 
topic is already stale and gone, bnut what the hell?   Anyway, 
my name is Andrew Balser and I have been reading the list off 
and on since March.  I live in Fairbanks and drive an ex- mil. 
109 pickup, (series III).  No particular mechanical problems 
right now, and since it has already been -30 a couple times 
where I live (I live in a valley bottom - brrrr chilly!), I am 
hoping to get away with no cold induced problems this year.  
    I would like to offer an opinion in regards to the dif lock
 question posed by Mr. Rooth.  Twice a year I find myself really 
envious of those with a locking or limited slip rear dif.  At 
the beginning and end of winter, the relatively warm temperatures 
make packed snow and ice particularly slick. As one list member 
from Wisconsin pointed out, colder temperatures really improve 
traction; at -25 or so, packed snow is the next best thing to
 pavement.  However, in Fairbanks on either end of winter you 
have ice/packed snow at stops and intersections, yet the 
intervening pavement is flat and dry. So if you don't want to 
wear your tires or have too much tranny wind-up, you stay in 
two wheel drive.  Pulling out means spinning a wheel, and when 
it finally catches it puts plenty of torque on the half-shaft and 
drivetrain.  Having a mellow foot on the pedal helps, but only so 
much.  Needless to say, the locking dif would be a real help.  In 
fact, I know people whose Fairbanks vehicle strategy is to have 
an old 60's  american car (simple, reliable, powerful) with studs 
and a dif lock in back and sand bags in the trunk.  As long as they
 don't leave town on ridiculous mis-adventures in snow and mud as 
I do, they do just great.  
     Incidentally, I've had quite a bit of fun up here with the Rover.
  The latest fiasco involved mud/water up to the top of the tunnel in 
the cab, 1200 lbs of moose in the bed and a canoe on top, two passengers 
and a distressed dog.  I have plenty of faith in the ol' "Adventure Galley"
 but I think good luck played no small part on that trip.  Hope this
 message makes it in.

Cheers,
Andrew W. Balser

P.S. How's this for e-mail art?

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:03:14 +0100
From: janjan@xs4all.nl (Jan Schokker)
Subject: Re: Elec. Fans 

>I had a Kenlow in front of the radiator of a S.III 109 4-cyl.petrol.
>A very recommendable add-on, IMO. Reduces the risk of fuel vapor lock,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>Stefan
><Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

Why do people put them in front of the radiator?
Aren't they designed to be put behind it?
With my 109 SIII it is not an option I guess, because being ex-military it 
has an enourmous oil-cooler in front of the radiator.
Also, Stefan, did you notice the improved mileage? I know the makers claim 
it, but I never heard any real figures from people who use them.

Thanks, Jan.
As always planning to write more to, and not just read this great list.  

>I had a Kenlow in front of the radiator of a S.III 109 4-cyl.petrol.
>A very recommendable add-on, IMO. Reduces the risk of fuel vapor lock,
janjan@xs4all.nl
Amsterdam, the Netherlands

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 95 20:24:44 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: Swapping axles

I have just stripped down a 71 SIIA 88. The swivels are in great condition. 
My question is simple. I have a 109, can I swap over the a front 88 axle to a 
front 109. 

The only thing I can think of that would need changing would be the brake 
back plates, everything else SHOULD be the same. 

Anyone verify ? 

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From: Harincar@mooregs.com (Tim Harincar)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 14:49:04 -0600
Subject: More Hub & Brake Q's

Hi all,

Well, I finally got my LR ('66 IIa 88) into its winter workshop (aka the 
neighbors garage) and began my (somewhat delayed) rebuild of hubs and 
brakes. So far, I've pulled one side of the front apart. A few things to 
inquire about:

- How critical are the brake drum screws? All three of mine on this side are 
sheared off. Grrrr. I was considering taking the hub to a machine shop and 
having them drilled out & re-tapped. Is it worth it?

- Thanks to whoever mentioned that the course thread hole is for pushing off 
the drum (Dixon?). Mine wouldn't come free until I did this - bolt was 3/8".

- 5 of my drive flange bolts were dry, one covered in 90 wt. When I removed 
the drive flange, lots of grimy 90 wt oozed out. Does the oil flow in from 
the swivel pin housing? Its this normal, or should the bearings be greased 
and the oil stay in the housing? 

- Ok, here's a tough one. Can someone describe or fax me a drawing of the 
correct shoe/spring configuration? Looking at the backplate, my top spring 
went from the trailing shoe (i.e. nearest the back of the truck) to a post on 
the backplate. The top of the leading shoe had no spring attached, and the 
adjuster cam was behind the leading shoe. Chris at RN seems to think this 
incorrect. I also think this is incorrect. It would seem that you would want 
a spring attached to the shoe with the adjuster. He did confirm that only one 
shoe has the spring on the top.

Thats it until tomorrow... :-)

Thanks,

Tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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From: a-robw@microsoft.com
Subject: RE: Discovery quality
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 12:05:27 -0800

Bummer, I hope the ghost of Lucas isn't smiting us! I just added some 
driving lights to mine, inviting the wrath of Lucas!

Please let us know what they find/fix for this. It's a good thing you were 
only 100 yards off the highway. Has anyone had the "opportunity" to try the 
"Road-side" recovery  when far from the road side (e.g. way off road)? I 
wonder how many tow trucks can go where a Discovery can?!

    _____
   /|__|_\___                            Bob Watson
  |   |   |  \                 a-robw@microsoft.com
  |---|___|___\____      Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA 
  |  _|=  |=  |o_  }\                
 [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}|    '95 Beluga Black Discovery
    \_/        \_/                            N7UMU
----------
From: 	cboese@co.san-bernardino.ca.us[SMTP:cboese@co.san-bernardino.ca.us]
Sent: 	Monday, November 20, 1995 10:04 AM
Subject: 	Discovery quality

Unfortunately, I have something new to report. Last Friday I decided
to use some of my lunch time to explore a dirt road at the foot of the
mountains here, just a couple of miles from my office. About a hundred yards
up, my engine stalled and wouldn't restart - it just rumbled a bit and cut
out. I called LR roadside service and they sent a truck to tow me the 80
miles into Pasadena to the dealer. Obviously, there's not only the metallic
creaking I was complaining about, but now something rather more profound
going wrong. It's probably a fuel problem, but one hopes that the bugs in a
new vehicle won't leave one immobilized.

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From: Simon Barclay <sbar@jna.com.au>
Subject: Re: greasing leaf springs
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 95 08:58:00 EST

I was reading in the official Land Rover Ltd Series 1 workshop manual that 
you should strip and grease (with graphite grease) the springs, ensuring any 
flaky rust is removed.  Then reassemble and refit!

This was in reference to a major overhaul and didn't seem to refer to 
regular intervals as suggested with the Bentley's.

Regards

Simon Barclay

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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 06:03:39 +0800 (WST)
From: TONY YATES  <tonyy@waalpha.wa.BoM.GOV.AU>
Subject: Re: Elec. Fans (was: Ice...thermostat)

On 20 Nov 1995, Stefan R. Jacob wrote:

> I had a Kenlow in front of the radiator of a S.III 109 4-cyl.petrol.
> A very recommendable add-on, IMO. Reduces the risk of fuel vapor lock,
> and even improves mileage if you remove the old 'propeller' (always carry
> it with you though, just in case...), engine also warms up quicker in winter.

Definitely carry the old propellor in your spares kit.

My IIA had an electric fan (also in front of the radiator) with the 
engine fan removed. It decided to disassemble itself 30km of very soft 
beach sand from the nearest "civilisation". Needless to say it took quite 
a long time for me and my five passengers to get back. (Mind you with 5 
passengers pushing a SWB IIA with no roof/doors/seats (it was raining so 
I took the seats out), who needs an engine?  :-)

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 23:05:42 GMT
From: mbarnes@easynet.co.uk (Mark Barnes)
Subject: RE: Discovery quality

Guys, you seem to have got in all wrong. If you're having problems with the
reliability on your Disco, take it back to the dealer.

He'll buy it from you, give you big wads of cash, then you can buy three or
four Series IIa, or Series III. They'll be ultra-reliable, and if they do
break down, you'll always have a spare one bought with all the money you
saved! ;)

Cheers

Mark
'83 Series III SWB Diesel

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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 96 17:07:35 -0600
From: "John B. Friedman" <johannes@scribes.english.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Center diff woes become handbrake woes

Has anyone had any experience with Disco or RR of the hand brake  
sticking on and going on by itself at very slow speeds? I have been  
all day with the LRNA rep about my Disco problem, first thought to be  
something wrong with center diff lock and now back to what I thought  
when all this began--hand brake. In my big workshop manual, I cannot  
find a break down of the actual innards of the transmission brake. I  
only see how to adjust it, not what happens from the point at which  
the cable enters the drum. Any page of manual to look at or any  
suggestions of what is going on would be greatly appreciated. 

	I am not too happy with the way all this has worked out,  
almost 7 days without the car and no diagnosis by my dealer as yet. .  
John Friedman

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:41:27 -0800
From: cboese@co.san-bernardino.ca.us (Christopher Boese)
Subject: full cash refund

Mark Barnes suggests:

>Guys, you seem to have got in all wrong. If you're having problems with the
>reliability on your Disco, take it back to the dealer.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>break down, you'll always have a spare one bought with all the money you
>saved! ;)

No kidding. If only I'd been on the list before I bought that yuppie
contraption...

But then, where could I put my cellular phone? And would I have enough cargo
space for all those bottles of wine, wedges of goat cheese, and crates of
arugula? 8-)

Christopher Boese
County of San Bernardino, California
Information Services, Information Systems Security Office
'95 beluga black Discovery actual-size non-working model

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 95 11:19:32 EST
From: jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben)
Subject: a cradle to roll a vehicle 

Hi all:

before the days of hydraulic lifts there were these cradles that
fit under a car/truck, and let you flip it up to 80 deg. or so.

This gives you ample room to work on the underbody/frame/exhaust.

Some are advertised in Hemmings, but are pretty sophisticated and $$$.

In some parts of the world some simple versions of these are as common
as garage jacks, and fairly cheap.

Do you have one?  Can you buy one cheaply?  Do you know of a good easy-to-make
design?

Thanks
Jan

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From: Admit1Fest@aol.com
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:58:42 -0500
Subject: California on the LRO List

Dear LRO List Subscribers

Following a business trip to Las Vegas I am contemplating a trip to Los
Angeles, CA. A few have metioned to me that LA is somewhat dangerous with
heavy congestion on the freeways and lacks the greater sights of other
California cities. 

A few suggestions have been San Diego, San Francisco and Carmel.
Unfortunately, my return travel plans involve LAX, so I am somewhat limited.
(Although I will have access to a vehicle for travel, unfortunately, a Land
Rover it will not be). If any of you are familiar with California, would you
please offer some suggestions on travel to this state and / or Los Angeles. 

I would certainly appreciate any assistance that can be offered.

Sincerely,

Mark Novey

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Date: 20 Nov 1995 15:44:43 -0800
From: "Lowe, David" <lowedj@akm0044.anc.xwh.bp.com>
Subject: 109" Frame Plans?

I am preparing to do major repairs to the rear half on my 1966, 109" =
Safari Wagon frame.  Does anyone have any drawing to build a new one from =
or ideally a CAD design file?  I am also considering building a complete =
new frame out of 3"x6" 3/16 wall extruded marine grade aluminum.  Has =
anyone out there any experience building their own frame or doing major =
repairs that can offer some advice.

Funding constraints prevent considering buying a new galvanized frame and =
supsension kit from ABP at $3,995.  By the time I pay shipping to Alaska =
it would cost over $5,000.  I could buy all the aluminum for a new frame =
for 1/10 of the cost for a new galvanized frame.  Who out there knows a =
good inexpensive long term fix?

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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:45:43 +0800 (WST)
From: TONY YATES  <tonyy@waalpha.wa.BoM.GOV.AU>
Subject: Re: 109" Frame Plans?

On 20 Nov 1995, Lowe, David wrote:
> or ideally a CAD design file?  I am also considering building a complete =
> new frame out of 3"x6" 3/16 wall extruded marine grade aluminum.  Has =

Aluminium frame? Hmmm.  I suspect that aluminium is not a suitable 
material for a frame. (Otherwise Landrover would use it ;-)  ).

Although wonderfully light and corrosion resistant it does not have the 
strength and stress resistance of steel, being more prone to cracking 
under load.  Take alloy wheels for instance which really should be 
x-rayed for damage if they sustain an impact.  Imagine having to x-ray 
the frame after every heavy off-road trip...
 Cheers.

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:22:20 -0500
From: Andrew Steele <ad158@dayton.wright.edu>
Subject: Re:  RR squeaking spedometer

Kevin,

I don't remember if the 1989 has the viscous coupling, or the transfer shift
lever.  I have an 1987 and after many years of speedo originated noises
(including a grinding sound and assorted electic beeps)
, one very long trip from Ohio to Flordia where lubrication and a towl stuffed
into the instrument panel made no difference I experienced the great
revolution.

I quick jiggle of the transfer lever stops my speedo noise.  For long trips I
keepthe noise at bay by stretching a rubber band between the transfer knob and
the emergency brake handle.  100% fix.  (Dispite many valent efforts by the
dealer over several years to fix this including a new speedo unit.) 

What can I say, it's a TRUE rover in my mind.

ams.
Dayton, Ohio.

87 RR
73 Series III  (Help, more notes to follow about this soon)
What's that dog in the back window? great dane - grey hound mix, I think.

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 22:12:09 -0500 (EST)
From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens)
Subject: What is this Window Channel Stuff

I removed the right hand window channels form my SRIIa 88" this afternoon
to survey the damage. Rust wasn't that bad, but all the furry stuff in the
side and lower channels was shot. What is this stuff? Can I recover the
channels after I sand out all the rust? Anyone have any experience with
this?

Chris Stevens                   1969 SRIIa 88" SW

Beckett Klay
1512 West Joppa Road
Baltimore, Maryland 21204
USA
(410) 583-1722
(410) 583-1935 (FAX)
chrisste@Clark.net

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From: Simon Barclay <sbar@jna.com.au>
Subject: Re: 109" Frame Plans?
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 95 14:18:00 EST

I concur with Tony Yates concerns over the use of aluminium.  Just look at 
the damage a 'roo does to an alloy bar.  But worse still, once you've tried 
to straighten it the trouble really begins.  They crack and tear, and loose 
all their strength!  It would be very difficult to straighten a chassis made 
out of it!

I would avoid it myself!

Simon Barclay
Sydney
Australia

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Date: 20 Nov 95 23:42:43 EST
From: Robert Dennis <73363.427@compuserve.com>
Subject: Reply to: Re: ARB Air Lockers

 >> Talk to Charlie Haige at Rovers North... They were selling ARB lockers at
 one time (maybe still do). He can probably give you some insight on what to
expect. <<

 Actually, I did talk to charlie today, and he said that it was really just a
matter of removing the carrier, transferring the ring gear, and drilling a
hole for the air line. So I am not to concerned about the installation now,
but I still would like to hear from anyone that has the lockers, just to know
what they think about them.

 thanks

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   \____===_=====_===____/      Atlanta, GA USA
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 On 20-Nov-1995

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From: FHYap@aol.com
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 01:48:58 -0500
Subject: Snow chains

The Defender manual recommends “always fit snow chains in pairs to the rear
axle only, and ensure the gearbox differential is in the LOCKED position.”

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: handbrake.
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:47:38 +1030 (CST)

John asks: 
> Has anyone had any experience with Disco or RR of the hand brake  
> sticking on and going on by itself at very slow speeds? I have been  

<Warning Uninformed WAG follows, dont blame me I dont know anything )-: >
Whilst not familiar with the disco/post lt95 4spd stuff, my first suggestion
would be to back the cable right off, then re-adjust the shoes before
adjusting the cable.

on the lt95 the shoes are located by resting on a big pin at the top.  if
the cable is over adjusted, the shoes are free to float, and judging by my
drum, make contact at just about every bump.  If the later vehicles use a
similar system I'd guess it would cause similar problems with the shoes
possibly camming in.  Similarly the locating pin might be loose?

A symptom mine exhibited before I worked out what was wrong (which was lots
of years) was that the hand brake only worked in reverse.  There was no way
the car would roll back but you could easily push it forward with the hand
brake on full.  All to do with the way the "floating" shoes cammed in or out..

best of luck

-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:23:02 +0800 (WST)
From: TONY YATES  <tonyy@waalpha.wa.BoM.GOV.AU>
Subject: Storms have cleared

The Weather Bureau for which I work is tightening policy on the private 
use of email and I am now required to have a separate signature for 
private email which is to include a disclaimer.

Hence the tornados have abated, the storms have cleared, and I have 
rendered my 110, which, after 2 years of pondering a name, I have finally 
called Pamela (aka CJ).

Apologies to those whose art I have copied and modified.

Cheers.

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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:29:17 +0001
From: wassili@AMC.UVA.NL (Roy Wassili)
Subject: Re: Discovery experiences

Mark,

The TDi is a diesel indeed, infact it's a turbo diesel with intercooler and
direct fuel injection( torque 265 Nm, 83 kW=111 hp, top speed on speedometer
165km/u=103mph) equipped with a 5 speed gearbox( or was it 20 speed ?;-) ).
Average diesel milage so far 10.2 km/l (= 24 miles/US gallon = 28.9 miles/
UK gallon ).Best milage so far 10.9 km/l(25 m/g US  30.8 m/g UK). Worst
milage so far 9.7 km/l( 22.9 m/g US 27.5 m/g UK ).

Roy

LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR
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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:35:21 +0001
From: wassili@AMC.UVA.NL (Roy Wassili)
Subject: Re: a cradle to roll a vehicle

Jan,

When I was in Poland last spring, on a 4wd trip called Snieg Trasa '95( Snow
Track '95), I saw many people doing work on the underbody of the vehicle,
while the vehicle was laying on one of it's sides. I dont't what tools they
used to tilt the vehicles( mostly polyester Trabants, so they probaly just
lift it :-) ). 

Well, it was just an idea ;-)

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: Oli filled hub!
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 18:13:30 +1030 (CST)

Tim tells us:
> - 5 of my drive flange bolts were dry, one covered in 90 wt. When I removed 
> the drive flange, lots of grimy 90 wt oozed out. Does the oil flow in from 
> the swivel pin housing? Its this normal, or should the bearings be greased 
> and the oil stay in the housing?  '66 IIa 88 SW

At last another vehicle with flange bolt, hub oil filling ability.  Now if
only we can work out which models!

Sorry tim I cant really answer your question, from my experience oil transfer
from the swivel housings is "normal" now whether its meant to be that way,
dont know but guess so....   Now regarding bearing lubrication, I can tell
you what i do, not that its a recomendation just an option.

Forget the grease, clean the bearings, oil lightly on reasembly, squeeze in
some nice clean 90wt, (I dunno 150ml or something).  Whack in the bolt...
about 12 mth later drain hub and refill, repeat as required.  Beats repacking
grease.    Who me lazy :-)

-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

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