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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: Series vs. Discos
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 02:20:04 -0700 (MST)

< Discos now? :)

Yeah, but we have to work for a living ;)  -- too busy to write.

T. F. Mills  -- IIA 109" pickup
tomills@du.edu                               University of Denver Library
http://www.du.edu/~tomills                          Denver  CO 80208  USA

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From: Brian Neill Tiedemann <s914440@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: Chains...windows etc
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 22:27:42 +1100 (EDT)

Hi folks,
My 2 cents worth of the great chain debate is:
Here in Victoria's snowfields when fitting only one pair of chains to my 
RR I put them on the front and lock the centre diff. I figure that the 
type of slide I hate the most is the one where the front wheels are 
turned but the car goes straight. The chains keep my steering wheels able 
to grip, and this seems to "pull the back into line" anyway when it comes 
out a little. Same old 4WDing rule, steer the front wheels where you want 
to go and accelerate out.
BTW if the ice driving question is applied to a vehicle with front and 
rear lockers, what then? Better with all locked I guess, but I don't get 
too much true ice to experiment with (anyway no lockers...yet...soon,soon).

John mentioned that 89 RRs have heated windscreens. So to John or anyone 
else with a RR and heated screen: Is it fitted to a traditional "rubber" 
like earlier RRs, or "urethaned" in like newer cars? I want to fit one to 
my 77 RR, so if anyone can tell me if they are rubber mounted and the 
same size as the older ones, I would be grateful.

Brian
(happy)
((finished exams))
(((77 RR)))

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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 13:33:54 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Gaiters, 

Michael Carradine writes:
>Peter Hirsch writes:
>:Tom Rowe wrote:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 26 lines)]
> As to greasing leaf springs, there were comments about that a few weeks
> ago along the lines of 'No Way!!'.  Anyone?
Both my local L/R guru and my remote L/R guru highly recommend greasing leaf 
springs with molybdenum sulphite grease.  Seems to keep the leaf surfaces 
from rusting and to give smoother action.  Needless to say I have not gotten 
around to it yet.

I saw my first spring gaiters on a Rolls Royce in the Gaydon museum (highly 
recommended).  The British leather gaiters still made today, apart from 
being handmade and probably signed by the artist (just joshing), allow you 
to grease the springs without removing the gaiters.  

Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W

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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 10:57:08 -0500 (EST)
From: "Kier M. Ouderkirk" <km_ouderkirk@sunyit.edu>
Subject: A couple questions?????

 1.)  I want to know if I buy a weber single barrel carb will it have as 
much low end performance as the rochester I have on my SIIA with 3.5 
diffs? I realize that I will get better gas mileage. How much better?
I get 14 mpg with the rochester.
 2.)  Driving last week in about 6 inch of snow. I had it in high range 
four wheel doing about 30 mph when I came upon a area about 100 yard long 
with no snow on road. Just about the time I came back to snow again I 
heard a few small snaps from the front drive train. I still have four 
wheel. Thank God. But I have not investigated it yet. To much snow and no 
garage. I did get underneath and it seems that the front drive shaft is 
very sloppy. I was wondering if anyone has experienced this before? Could 
I have striped the inner shaft of the drive shaft?
 3.) Wanted a good cheap tailgate with no dents on the outside. Will 
trade a rear door with the tire rack removed in excellent condition.
 4.) Between me and my dad we have aquired several LRs. I lost count this 
summer. Most of them are 88's from 1968-1973. We are parts some of them 
out. Most of them are in fair condition with some that will be able to 
run with some TLC. If any one needs some good used parts or a project LR 
get a hold of my dad or me. We are located in central New York.(not the city,
the state)
*****************************************************************************
1970 SIIA 88, 3.5 diffs Lic# >LRS RULE<
1974 SIII 88, Someday will be restore to original
1963 SII 88, Nissan disel
Several others scattered through the woods and yard.

college address                                 home address
Kier Ouderkirk                                  RD5 box 804 
109 residential dr.                             Fulton, NY 13069
Utica, NY 13502                                 (315)593-1816
                   Want used parts call this #_____/  

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From: paul@frcs.alt.za (Paul Nash)
Subject: re; SPOTs to come, Holden motors
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 11:22:46 +1100

My sIII has a Holden 202, but _also_ has Nissan gear- and xfer boxes,
which allows the motor to be placed slightly further back than with 
a genuine LR box.  The radiator is the standard LR part, in its 
usual place.  The Nissan box has 5 forward gears, and a smoother 
change than the genuine article.  It also has no provision for a
PTO or overdrive.

Regarding SPOT tricks like filling the swivel housings with grease,
I am contemplating something similar.  I have a serious leak in one
swivel (drops from 500ml to about 200ml of SAE 90 in two days) and
don't have the time, money or stamina to rebuild it right now.  I
also don't have another car, so the Land Rover gets a fair amount 
of use.  Rather than just pouring oil all over the road, I am 
contemplating filling the housing with a mixture of Slick-50 and
STP.  While I wouldn't let either near an engine, it should 
provide some lubrication and keep at least some of the mixture in.
The only alternative that I can think of is to look for SAE 160+
gearbox oil (or steam-chest oil).  Anyone tried either of these 
tricks before?

FWIW (which is vary little) I thought that the etymology of the sII
"breakfast" had to do with braais ("barbies", now that I'm in Oz)
using the wire mesh radiator grille over the fire.

	paul
--
   Paul Nash <paul@frcs.alt.za>          South African in exile
             37 Tyson St, Ainslie ACT 2602, AUSTRALIA

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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 09:54:21 +0000
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Re: Chains etc

Brian Neill Tiedemann <s914440@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU> wrote:
:My 2 cents worth of the great chain debate is:
:Here in Victoria's snowfields when fitting only one pair of chains to my 
:RR I put them on the front and lock the centre diff.

 Brian,

 OK, here's my 2p....

 Putting chains on only one set of axles for a full-time 4WD vehicle, with
 open or locked center differentials, is not a good idea.  This is like
 running different size or type of tires front and back.  It will cause the
 the driveline to bind in that the front or rear will wind up first at the
 expense of the other axle and overstress 1/2 the system.  Similarily as
 using a chain on the right or left wheel only, the loose wheel or axle
 will receive preference from the differential instead of a balanced load.

 Regards,

                          ______
 Michael Carradine        [__[__\==                     Rumpole of the Bay
 510-988-0900             [________]                        Land-Rover 4x4
 cs@crl.com  ___________.._(o)__.(o)_____...o^^^  '65 IIA 223.5cm (was 88)
 _________________________________________________________________________
 Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page at:  http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

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Date: 18 Nov 95 13:47:03 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: RE: Ice Driving (and chains)

A fitting subject for the season - northern Europe is expecting its first
snowfall this weekend.

Well, I can just relate my own experience and what I found to be best.

- When using chains, put them on *front* wheels *only* and engage diff lock.
Slow down on the straight before entering curves, and accelerate slightly in
curves. That way you'll always have good directional lead, even if your stern
does occasionally wander.
- Without chains, I prefer to leave diff *unlocked* as uncontrolable wander
and slippage is likely to occur in curves with the diff locked. *However*,
you must at all times avoid sudden acceleration/deceleration. When wheel
spin in curves or on slopes is experienced, a good trick is to stay on the
gas and at the same time intermittently and very slightly tipping on the
brakes (with ABS you don't need the tipping, just rest your left foot on
the brake pedal lightly). Takes a bit of practice, but it works. And in
all cases, go *slow* !

A happy and slippage-free winter to all (make that summer for Oz) !

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 13:28:46 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Chains etc

Michael Carradine writes;

>  Putting chains on only one set of axles for a full-time 4WD vehicle, with
  open or locked center differentials, is not a good idea.  This is like
  running different size or type of tires front and back.  It will cause the
  the driveline to bind in that the front or rear will wind up first at the
  expense of the other axle and overstress 1/2 the system.  Similarily as
  using a chain on the right or left wheel only, the loose wheel or axle
>  will receive preference from the differential instead of a balanced load.

Hmm. I'd have to dissagree. At least if I understand locked center diff as 
being pretty much the same effect as my Series transfer.
Having chains on all fours would come closest to simulating driving 
with a loced diff on dry pavement, and so the windup effect. Chains 
on just one axle would allow the non-chained wheels to slip and 
relieve any windup. In actual fact, having run chains off road and in 
deep snow on all fours and on just one axle (before I had two sets) I 
haven't  noticed any windup (the symptom being difficulty in getting 
from low to high range) either way. 
I believe running chains on only one wheel (or different size tires) 
would only cause unwanted diff wear, not windup, unless you had a 
locked diff on pavement.
The point is that windup only occurs when uneven drivetrain rotations can't be 
relieved by tire slippage or differential action.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 09:14:03 -0500
From: karen@uni.masey.ac.nz, feldman@rentwes.org.nz, rjames@otego.ac.nz,
Subject: ===>> FREE 1 yr. Magazine Sub sent worldwide- 295+ Popular USA Titles

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You will get a quick reply via email within 1 business day of receipt of
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return *only* the below form and *no part* of this message other than the
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Sorry, but incomplete forms *will not* be acknowledged.  If you do not
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until you do have one.  If you saw this message, then you should have one.  :)

Name:
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Hi fellow 'netters,

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They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and
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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 22:30:17 +0200 (GMT+0200)
From: Andrew Birrell <pdandrew@iafrica.com>
Subject: Re: re; SPOTs to come, Holden motors

Viva South Africa Viva

Apologies - not a directly LR related message, but South Africa won the 
rugby test against England today

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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 12:51:54 -0800 (PST)
From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Re: ===>> FREE 1 yr. Magazine Sub sent worldwide- 295+ Popular USA Titles

A word to the wise.  This has all the earmarks of a scam.  This came in 
while I was online and I immediately responded.  I don't know how it was 
sent from three different addresses, but they all were returned.  The 
hosts do not exist.  I have read that there are service providers in 
Finland, and perhaps elsewhere, that make it possible to generate false 
addresses.  I wouldn't trust anybody who is using a false host address. 

On Sun, 19 Nov 1995 karen@uni.masey.ac.nz wrote:

> -----> NOTE:   Please first read my note which appears below the "Request
> for more info Form."  Then, to get more info, just fill out the "Request
> for More Info" form completely and *FAX* or *SMAIL* it back to the company.
> You will get a quick reply via email within 1 business day of receipt of
> the info request form below.

The rest removed

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 15:23:34 GMT -0600
Subject: D90 & the lorry

Saw the picture of the lorry lying on the D90 and it brings a couple 
of questions to mind.

How alike are the frames of the Defenders and Series III Land Rovers?
Did the D90 have the interior roll cage?

The reason I ask is that, due to an unfortunate remark I made to my 
wife (the doors on my Lightweight wouldn't offer much protection 
in a side impact), she won't let our 7 month old son ride in my LR.
I don't hold great hope of convincing her otherwise, but every bit 
helps.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 13:17:25 -0900
From: abalser@merlin.salrm.alaska.edu (Andrew Balser)
Subject: intro & dif lock opinion

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