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msg | Sender | lines | Subject |
1 | Brian Neill Tiedemann [s | 17 | Re: Dixon confusion |
2 | Lloyd Allison [lloyd@cs. | 29 | engine conversions |
3 | Danny Phillips [danny@tl | 24 | discos and bits. |
4 | "barnett childress" [bar | 6 | re:The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest |
5 | wassili@AMC.UVA.NL (Roy | 20 | "New" 300 TDi in Discovery |
6 | Stephen Thomas [THOMSE-U | 33 | Good timing Mr C. ..... |
7 | "Gerald" [g@ix.netcom.co | 27 | Re: London LR Dealers |
8 | add@philabs.research.phi | 22 | Discovery pricing |
9 | Fred Ellsworth [fellswor | 18 | Luminition Installation |
10 | jim@kidd.com (jnk) | 9 | 1960 SII Turn Signal |
11 | Steve Temple [temples@cs | 43 | Re: Seatbelts for D110 rear |
12 | "AMEDEO R. LUTTWAK" [102 | 12 | NAS Def 110 for sale. |
13 | aminner@ix.netcom.com (A | 20 | Re: Help with RR Model Year Upgrades |
14 | Mike Rooth [M.J.Rooth@lu | 16 | Ice Driving |
15 | cboese@co.san-bernardino | 23 | Re: Discovery quality vs. Jeep |
16 | DEBROWN@SRP.GOV | 25 | Safari guard. |
17 | "AMEDEO R. LUTTWAK" [102 | 10 | DEF 110 for sale. |
18 | add@philabs.research.phi | 30 | Dealer-installed Sunroof |
19 | "Boehme, Doug" [boehmed@ | 34 | Poor D90 Gas Mileage |
20 | cboese@co.san-bernardino | 18 | Re: Looking for a 1994/95 Discovery |
21 | Mark Ritter [70472.1130@ | 26 | Lock-Right |
22 | "Mark Talbot" [Land_Rove | 18 | Vermont as a Non DOT State |
23 | Duncan Brown [DB@CHO004. | 17 | Re: 1960 SII Turn Signal |
24 | Mike Rooth [M.J.Rooth@lu | 10 | Re: Good timing Mr C. ..... |
25 | M.D.Gregory@derby.ac.uk | 8 | re: |
26 | rpeng@cadev6.intel.com | 28 | re: Discovery |
27 | BMR2%OPS%DCPP@go50.comp. | 16 | ...no subject... |
28 | asmith@BayNetworks.COM ( | 17 | Re: "New" 300 TDi in Discovery |
29 | John Brabyn [brabyn@skiv | 24 | Re: Help with RR Model Year Upgrades |
30 | jim@kidd.com (jnk) | 11 | valves/engine |
31 | "Wayne R. Haight" [whaig | 22 | Help... Dry in Hawaii! |
32 | asmith@BayNetworks.COM ( | 67 | Re: Dealer-installed Sunroof |
33 | Insoo@ceramatec.com (Ins | 22 | Thirsty Disco |
34 | "BREAKFIELD ERNEST" [bre | 41 | Re[2]: RR fuel economy - why so bad? |
35 | "Tom Rowe" [TROWE@AE.AGE | 24 | Re: Ice Driving |
36 | Jim Edwards [edwardsj@oh | 14 | Disco chains |
37 | CALLanyVEG@aol.com | 20 | Re: Help with RR Model Year Upgrades |
38 | "Steve Methley" [sgm@hpl | 19 | Re: Ice Driving |
39 | B Latimer Davies [100427 | 9 | Lumenition |
40 | "Tom Rowe" [TROWE@AE.AGE | 17 | Re: Help with RR Model Year Upgrades |
41 | maddeng@Apple.com (gary | 22 | Re: Low MPG in new D90 |
42 | "TeriAnn Wakeman" [twak | 15 | Dormobile roof hatch |
43 | cboese@co.san-bernardino | 12 | looking for Jim Roth (sorry for the spam) |
44 | "Stefan R. Jacob" [10004 | 17 | Re: London LR Dealers |
45 | LANDROVER@delphi.com | 28 | Re: Current leakage problem |
46 | David Place [dplace@SIRN | 15 | Re: Help... Dry in Hawaii! |
47 | jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben | 81 | Oh, no, it's gonna blow up again, RE: fuel and steaks |
48 | LANROVEFN@aol.com | 15 | Land Rover Discovery Models |
49 | "Mark Talbot" [Land_Rove | 15 | Series land rover headliners |
50 | John Brabyn [brabyn@skiv | 25 | Re: Help with RR Model Year Upgrades |
51 | "Walter C. Swain" [wcswa | 22 | Re: Help... Dry in Hawaii! |
52 | Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn | 17 | LR in eurodisney pics? |
53 | "John C. White, III" [jc | 132 | Re: Re[2]: RR fuel economy - why so bad? |
54 | RICKCRIDER@aol.com | 44 | Re: Current leakage problem (&cure) |
55 | wassili@AMC.UVA.NL (Roy | 23 | Re: Ice Driving |
56 | a-robw@microsoft.com | 43 | RE: Ice Driving (and chains) |
From: Brian Neill Tiedemann <s914440@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU> Subject: Re: Dixon confusion Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 19:18:04 +1100 (EDT) Relax Frank, I was only pointing out that my message to the list a few days back read something like "I'm thinking of exposed verses hidden door and bonnet hinges. Do I win the prize?" after your trivia question about RR model differences..... and that my name is NOT Dixon (since the next message from you stated that Dixon was the only one to pick the door hinge thing). I'm sure I stuck at least one smiley in there though. If perchance I forgot.... :) :) :) Brian 77 RR (not all that offended really!) ------------------------------[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 21:43:49 +1100 (EST) From: Lloyd Allison <lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au> Subject: engine conversions rad's and x-members Anthony Maeder wrote a bit about this in http://www.sofcom.com.au/4WD/Conv/Conv.html the front x-member chop can be quite neat, one cuts along the midline of the top face and the rear face, reverses the section and welds it back in. Marks 4WD adaptors has a link (somewhere off the above) and Sarry at Marks takes email and is very helpful. Rear seat belts. from memory, the inwards facing seats in a Stn Wgn with belts have steel u-channels that run from the outer skin, under the box to the inner skin. They are rivetted through the outer skin (see the extra rivets) and the inner seat box skin. For factory-fitted belts, I think these channels have built-in nuts for the seat-belt fixing bolts. Don't know about belts for the 2nd row of forward-facers. Toy Discovery - Britains make one. there is a pic' on the toy web page and a link to a toy shop (UK) where you can order one online! Lloyd ------------------------------[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Danny Phillips <danny@tlpgate.lonpar.co.uk> Subject: discos and bits. Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 11:04:48 GMT Hi all, I have been reading the comments people have posted about warrenty work and thought i would let you know about the strange way in which our local dealer works. when our disco went in for the first service that we had her for, they replaced the bonnet catch as it should have been changed by the previous dealer under instructions from LR. They also changed a mounting bracket somewhere underneath (guy showed me but i still could not see it just said yes) all done under warrenty even though the car was nearly 2 years old and out of warrenty. they also very neatly used cable ties to fix up the electrical socket on our tow bar and tie up the cable out of the way. thank you very much. but, this is the strange bit, they noted that the turbo (200 TDi) heatsheild was lose when she went in for a service, a bolt was missing. So i duely bought the bolt and fitted it myself, it cost 35p and took 5 mins, so i ask you chaps does anyone understand land rover dealers? god and land rovers move in mysterious ways (usually sideways). bye ------------------------------[ <- Message 4 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 6:47:28 EST From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com> Subject: re:The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest help ------------------------------[ <- Message 5 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:43:57 +0001 From: wassili@AMC.UVA.NL (Roy Wassili) Subject: "New" 300 TDi in Discovery Just read an article on the new '96 Discovery 300 TDi automatic. Due to a new EDC( Electronic Diesel Control??) the 300 TDi engine now has an 8.4% increasement (83kW -> 90 kW) of its horsepower and 13% increasement of its torque( 265 Nm -> 300 Nm ). Torque is now as high as the 3.9 V8! With this improvement the car has become the strongest in its class( 2.5 l ). Now I wonder, has BMW anything to do with this!? LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR ____ | _____/|__|| Roy Wassili,<wassili@amc.uva.nl> | /(-8| \ | Avalon Green '95 Discovery, ____|_/[]__|__\___|# scarved for live |] __=| | __ |# [|_/ \|_____|_/ \_|] ( o ) ( o ) ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Stephen Thomas <THOMSE-U@m4-arts.bham.ac.uk> Date: 16 Nov 95 12:44:18 GMT Subject: Good timing Mr C. ..... Well Bill it's nice to see you're settling back into life over there. Your timing is spot on however, after having experienced the only really good summer here in about twenty years you have managed to escape just prior to what appears to be a deep winter, they forcast snow this weekend, oh well a chance to lock those hubs I suppose. Also could Steve Reddock contact me, or someone forward his address, I meant to post something to him but zapped his message. Cheers Steve /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ /~~~~~~~~~~~~~||~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ || / || \ || ||______/_____||______\_____|| ||_|________|____|________|_|| /~---__ ______________ __---~\ |~~~~~~~| /=\|####|/=\ |~~~~~~~| | o o | \=/|####|\=/ | o o | | EAB |##############| | Stephen Thomas |_836B__|##############|_______| 1964 IIa Diesel 'Andy' \____________________________/ 0121-452-1405 |~_-_~|----\___/-------|~_-_~| Thomse-u@m4-arts.bham.ac.uk |~_-_~| |~_-_~| |~_-_~| |~_-_~| ['Andy' : This time coming, ~---~ ~---~ sometimes not going :)] ------------------------------[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Gerald" <g@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 08:17:16 -0500 Subject: Re: London LR Dealers Stratstone's parts department is not at the showroom. I think it has two parts locations: 277A Gray's Inn Road, WC1X BQF 0171 833 2323 fax 0171 837 0086 and 239 Brixton Hill Road, SW2 1NR 0181 674 0117 fax 0181 671 7659 Waved at two Disco's yesterday, but both were parked with owners not in them. >From: David.Tinley@bbc.co.uk (Dave Tinley) >Several people wanted addresses of LR dealers in London, here are a few. >H.R.Owen, Melton Court, 27 Old Brompton Road, London. SW7 3TD >0171-584 8451 or 0181-992 2299 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] >Hexagon, Holmes Road, Kentish Town, London. NW5 >0171-284 1777 -- Gerald g@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 09:07:35 EST From: add@philabs.research.philips.com (Aninda V. Dasgupta) Subject: Discovery pricing Hello everyone, I am a new member of this mailing list. I am purchasing a new '96 Disco SD. I consider myself lucky that I have 5 LR dealers near here (Westchester County, NY, just 40 miles north of NY City). All the dealers, however, are claiming that Discoveries are so much in demand that they won't sell one to me for much below the manufacturer's suggested retail price. Is there anyone on this list who has bought a Discovery recently in the Northeastern US? I would like to hear if you had a similar experience and ended up paying close to "sticker price." Thanks for any help you can give me. I hope to be a regular reader of this list. Regards, -Aninda-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Aninda DasGupta (add@philabs.philips.com) Ph:(914)945-6071 Fax:(914)945-6552 Philips Labs\n 345 Scarborough Rd\n Briarcliff Manor\n NY 10510 "Err.., Phillips Petroleum gives you gas; fortunately Phillips Chemical makes antacid. Philips is with one "el"; we make lightbulbs, and other shtuff." ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 09:20:26 -0500 From: Fred Ellsworth <fellswor@camb-lads.loral.com> Subject: Luminition Installation I just got a Luminition electronic ignition from DAP for our '72 88" and am wondering if anyone out there has advice on installing them. I remember awhile back someone on the list mentioned that figuring out the instructions was the hardest part about the installation. After reading them last night, I can see how easily that could be true. Any tips? Thanks in advance, Fred ps please reply to me personally- I want to put this in before the weekend. ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 09:38:38 -0400 From: jim@kidd.com (jnk) Subject: 1960 SII Turn Signal My rover is a 1960 SII. The turn signal is a small lever mounted on the dash to the right of the steering column. Is this the correct location? We own several 1966-69 SII A's with turn signals on the column. I haven't seen any other rover with a signal indicator like mine. ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 15:18:45 GMT From: Steve Temple <temples@cs.man.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Seatbelts for D110 rear > Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:15:39 +0000 > From: Michael Turpin <ccaamet@ucl.ac.uk> [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)] > pounds, so maybe it's not so surprising! Anyone out there done this. > Any info/experience gratefully received. > Mike Mike, I have fitted four lap belts for the bench seats in my 90. It is not an enjoyable job! The parts cost around UKP300 of which only 60ish was for the belts. The remainder buys 6 genuine LR brackets which you must pop rivet into the wheel arches. There are further brackets which go inside the cab and should be pop riveted through the side body panel. These require monster pop rivets called monobolts which I was unable to find a gun big enough to handle and so I have done without. You also need to drill holes through the wheel arch to take the seat belt bolts through to the brackets underneath. It took a long time for my local supplier to get the correct set of brackets (they come in mirror image versions and I got some in incorrectly labelled bags). You will also probably need longer bolts for the belts than those supplied. In addition, I had a problem because the brackets were over-galvanised and the threads were not capable of taking the belt bolts. I had to borrow a tap to re-cut the threads. When you've got all the bits together I would allow a full day to do all the fitting which is fairly obvious but requires much time with your head stuck in the wheel arch while you drill the holes for the pop rivets. So it's not a great deal of fun but it can be done. I wouldn't like to have to do it again in a hurry but don't let that put you off! Let me know if I can be of any further help... --Steve ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 16 Nov 95 10:55:16 EST From: "AMEDEO R. LUTTWAK" <102505.3511@compuserve.com> Subject: NAS Def 110 for sale. 1993 Defender 110 available (through Dealer) Winch, Engine protection plate, Fender protection plates, 4 off-road lights top mounted, Alpine sound system with CD player, Alpine alarm, perfect body&mechanics, 19000 miles. Will sell close to 50k. Call Amedeo at 1-800-484-9520 ------------------------------[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 08:09:43 -0800 From: aminner@ix.netcom.com (Allen Minner ) Subject: Re: Help with RR Model Year Upgrades Thanks to all who gave me input regardng the reliability of the '87-'90 Range Rovers. Overall, everyone was very positive. I would like to get one that has the "bigger" V8, ABS brakes and the heated windshield. I think it goes like this: 1988 None of these options are available 1989 First year of higher output engine, ABS available in County edition only, first year of heated windshield? 1990 ABS brakes standard I am not sure when the heated windshied was available, but really need one. Here, near Seattle WA, we have lots of rain, and I am planning to use the RR in my work as a real estate agent. This means carrying wet people around, and fogging windows are a real possibility. Any help, or clarification, would be appreciated. ------------------------------[ <- Message 14 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Ice Driving Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 16:15:56 GMT A question for those knowledgeable about these things.... When driving on ice(not snow,ice) would you engage diff lock or not.And why.I will allow hard packed slippery snow to count as ice. A colleague here is having a difference of opinion with a mate(at least he *was* a mate)who drives a Range Rover. FWIW I dont think I would engage the diff lock,I think it would prejudice manouevrability,but YMMV. Cheers Mike Rooth ------------------------------[ <- Message 15 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 08:12:06 -0800 From: cboese@co.san-bernardino.ca.us (Christopher Boese) Subject: Re: Discovery quality vs. Jeep Bennett Leeds points out: >> ...Consumer Reports. Of course, they went ahead and recommended the Grand Cherokee... >Not in the review I have, dated Aug., 1995. They said: "CR would >recommend the Grand Cherokee if not for its poor reliabilty record." Well, good for them. They loved it in the April '94 car issue. This was before the GC had established much of a record. BTW, when I said all that about jeeps breaking in half off-road, I was, of course exaggerating for dramatic effect. What I really was referring to was torsional stability, resistance to undercarriage damage, etc. And preventing feelings of profound fear in the driver. 8-) Christopher Boese County of San Bernardino, California Information Services, Information Systems Security Office ------------------------------[ <- Message 16 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 09:22:48 MST From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Subject: Safari guard. FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 SUBJECT: Safari guard. I just recently got a little flyer and some photos from them. Looks really functional, not pretty. I'm interested in prices... Probably will call them today. No address in the flyer, but the return address on the envelope is: 41095 Fig St. Murrieta CA 92562 Phone: (909) 698-6114 for orders: (800) 820-GARD Dave Brown #=======# ________ We make a living by what we get, |__|__|__\___ /__/__|__\___ we make a life by what we give. | _| | |_ |} \_/-\_|__/-\_|} "(_)""""""(_)" (_) (_) Winston Churchill ------------------------------[ <- Message 17 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 16 Nov 95 11:18:27 EST From: "AMEDEO R. LUTTWAK" <102505.3511@compuserve.com> Subject: DEF 110 for sale. NAS DEF 110 for sale. 19k miles, loaded, winch, many upgrades. Perfect. $ 50K? CAll Amedeo at 1-800-484-9520 dial code 1977 to get through. ------------------------------[ <- Message 18 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 11:27:27 EST From: add@philabs.research.philips.com (Aninda V. Dasgupta) Subject: Dealer-installed Sunroof I am purchasing a new '96 Discovery. As I don't want dual sunroofs, and as I don't care for power-seats or leather interior, I decided to go for the SD version. However, I would like a single power sunroof in the front. The dealer assures me that he can have one installed for about $1K, and that installation will not damage the integrity of the steel roof, nor harm the color coat, nor make the steel roof more prone to rust. Is this true? Is it safe to go ahead and let the dealer install a sun-roof? Another question I have is regarding the audio system in teh Discovery. Is it really made by Pioneer? If so, can I buy a Pioneer 6-disc CD changer from the open market and hope that it will fit with the assembly under the passenger seat? If not, what is a good price to pay the dealer for a CD changer? Thanks for any help you can give me. Regards, -Aninda -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Aninda DasGupta (add@philabs.philips.com) Ph:(914)945-6071 Fax:(914)945-6552 Philips Labs\n 345 Scarborough Rd\n Briarcliff Manor\n NY 10510 "Err.., Phillips Petroleum gives you gas; fortunately Phillips Chemical makes antacid. Philips is with one "el"; we make lightbulbs, and other shtuff." ------------------------------[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Boehme, Doug" <boehmed@MAILHOST.ISCG.COM> Subject: Poor D90 Gas Mileage Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 09:50:00 PST [Has anyone else experienced similar behaviour? Perhaps related: during idle, the engine seems to shudder every few seconds. It's not enough to affect the tach, but it's definitely noticable. Is this normal for the 30 year old engine design? Any ideas? Should I simply buy stock in petroleum companies?] ______________________________________________________ My gas mileage was the same story when I first got it, but now that I have 4500 miles on my Defender, the gas mileage has definitely gotten better. I get about 17MPG on the highway (I usually don't go over 65) and about 13MPG in the city. Have you started to notice when certain gas stations run specials on their per gallon price on certain days? I can name one for each day of the week, all within 15 minutes of my house. Good luck, Doug ______________________________________________________ Douglas Boehme (boehmed@iscg.com) ISCG 95 D90 ------------------------------[ <- Message 20 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 08:30:38 -0800 From: cboese@co.san-bernardino.ca.us (Christopher Boese) Subject: Re: Looking for a 1994/95 Discovery Chris Whitehead and all, >There is one 1994 here in the Scottsdale dealer for >$31,018 that is pretty nice, so anything lower than that would be in the ball >park. That seems high for a (I assume) used Discovery. I got my '95 on sale (I didn't negotiate) for nearly $800 under sticker at Symes in Pasadena. Do any of your dealers have new '95s? Christopher Boese County of San Bernardino, California Information Services, Information Systems Security Office ------------------------------[ <- Message 21 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 16 Nov 95 10:48:31 EST From: Mark Ritter <70472.1130@compuserve.com> Subject: Lock-Right Trefor Wrote: <All,> <Does anyone have any experience with or knowledge of LockRight automatic> <differentials ?. This may well be limited to the UK market as they are> <based (according to their sales blurb) in Lancashire.> <Thanks.> They are actually based in California and the Co. is called Powertrax. Their number here in the states is 1-800-Lockers ( a freephone number as you would say). If you call them ask to speak to Bill Cole as he is familiar with the LR installations. I have one in my Disco and am very happy with it. The diference it makes is astounding especially on really tough trails where you get cross-axled or lift wheels off the ground. On the street it is very well mannered and the only evidence of its existence is a clicking sound at the outside wheel unlocks around corners. Mark Ritter 94 Disco Atlanta Georgia USA ------------------------------[ <- Message 22 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 16:43:48 UT From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com> Subject: Vermont as a Non DOT State Think this was posted before, but didn't see the answer. Just what does it mean that Vermont is a NON DOT state ? I'm curious because New Hampshire has some old rules regarding vehicles, basically here we can have ANYTHING that is over 10 years old. Yes that is right read into this what you will. We also have an option here called "Home made". Believe it or not, some land Rovers rebuilt can come under that banner. Curious what Vermont has. Mark ------------------------------[ <- Message 23 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 12:07:49 -0500 (EST) From: Duncan Brown <DB@CHO004.CHO.GE.COM> Subject: Re: 1960 SII Turn Signal > My rover is a 1960 SII. The turn signal is a small lever mounted on the > dash to the right of the steering column. Is this the correct location? We > own several 1966-69 SII A's with turn signals on the column. I haven't seen > any other rover with a signal indicator like mine. I also have a 1960 SII (88), and it also has that lever in the extra dash plate for its turn signal. Someone later added a column-mounted unit with the little rubber wheel. They are actually both operational (parallel-wired) but obviously the one on the column is a *lot* easier to use! Duncan ------------------------------[ <- Message 24 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Good timing Mr C. ..... Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 17:05:42 GMT Ah,come on Steve.We arent going to get enough to play in. Last time was 1990.Round here,anyway. Cheers Mike Rooth ------------------------------[ <- Message 25 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: M.D.Gregory@derby.ac.uk Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 17:30:35 +0000 Subject: re: In a Series Landrover you would or else you would continually be spinning the back wheels, not sure about permanent 4 wheel drive. ------------------------------[ <- Message 26 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: rpeng@cadev6.intel.com Subject: re: Discovery Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 9:40:43 PST >As far a BMW reliability all I know is that my wife's 1992 325i has had more >warranty work done in the same period of time than my 95 Discovery (once for [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] >to our satisfaction. >So be wary of wishing BMW quality on LR. Interesting, my wife happens to drive the same car, same year too (albeit a late-92), and it's been trouble free in 40K miles. No rattles, no leaks. Don't forget '92 is the first year of the new body style 325i. The Discovery, on the other hand, was introduced in the 80's, and "should" have the problems sorted out by now. Sure, BMW is not perfect; they've had bad models, like the early '88 750il, but in general I'd say they maintain pretty high quality standards. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Peng (408)765-7863 Intel Corporation Design Technology, Physical CAD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------[ <- Message 27 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: BMR2%OPS%DCPP@go50.comp.pge.com Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 10:01:14 PST Subject: ...no subject... The number and address for Safari Guard Info 909-698-6114 Orders 800-820-GARD Safari Gard 41095 Fig St. Murrieta Ca. 92562 Brian Rainbolt (acomplished lurker) 89 RR ------------------------------[ <- Message 28 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 10:26:53 PST From: asmith@BayNetworks.COM (Andrew Smith) Subject: Re: "New" 300 TDi in Discovery > Just read an article on the new '96 Discovery 300 TDi automatic. Due to a > new EDC( Electronic Diesel Control??) the 300 TDi engine now has an 8.4% [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] > improvement the car has become the strongest in its class( 2.5 l ). > Now I wonder, has BMW anything to do with this!? No - it's probably just a new software upgrade ("Tappets '96"). I'll bet the '96 requires with more RAM too :-) Andrew Smith Palo Alto CA USA '96 Disco ------------------------------[ <- Message 29 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 10:40:25 -0800 (PST) From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org> Subject: Re: Help with RR Model Year Upgrades On Thu, 16 Nov 1995, Allen Minner wrote: > 1989 First year of higher output engine, ABS available in County > edition only, first year of heated windshield? > 1990 ABS brakes standard The ABS was not introduced til 1990 > I am not sure when the heated windshied was available, but really need > one. Here, near Seattle WA, we have lots of rain, and I am planning [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] > to use the RR in my work as a real estate agent. This means carrying > wet people around, and fogging windows are a real possibility. I know the heated windshield was on the 89, not sure about earlier models. Cheers John Brabyn ------------------------------[ <- Message 30 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:35:53 -0400 From: jim@kidd.com (jnk) Subject: valves/engine What year petrol engine did not have valve seals in the head? I'm rebuilding my 1960 88" SII's engine and my head is wasted... The only good head we have is one without valve seals. The guy rebuilding the head says there isn't much difference in the two and that the head without seals would be strong and work well? Would there be any problem with putting this head on my engine? ------------------------------[ <- Message 31 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 07:46:33 -1000 From: "Wayne R. Haight" <whaight@honlab.nmfs.hawaii.edu> Subject: Help... Dry in Hawaii! Aloha! As you have probably guessed, Hawaii is a veritable desert when it comes to Series Land Rovers. Does anyone know of ANY Series Landies on ANY island in Hawaii? I will fly to any other island (I'm in Honolulu) to check out any prospects. If this query gets no hits, I will have to go further afield, i.e the West Coast of the US. So how about helping a marooned Series lover? -Mahalo Wayne R. Haight (whaight@honlab.nmfs.hawaii.edu) Senior Fisheries Research Specialist NOAA/JIMAR 2570 Dole Street Honolulu, Hawaii 96822 ------------------------------[ <- Message 32 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 11:06:23 PST From: asmith@BayNetworks.COM (Andrew Smith) Subject: Re: Dealer-installed Sunroof > From LRO-Owner@uk.stratus.com Thu Nov 16 08:58:30 1995 > Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 11:27:27 EST [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] > X-To: lro@Land-Rover.Team.Net > Subject: Dealer-installed Sunroof Aninda, > I am purchasing a new '96 Discovery. As I don't want dual sunroofs, and > as I don't care for power-seats or leather interior, I decided to go for [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] > harm the color coat, nor make the steel roof more prone to rust. Is > this true? Is it safe to go ahead and let the dealer install a sun-roof? I had my dealer install dual sunroofs in my SD before delivery. This was subcontracted to a "sunroof installer" firm that they have dealt with for a long time (they mostly send their new Jags and Rolls down there so I figured they must be OK! Imagine taking a saw to the roof of a $100000 Roller? Ouch!). Price was as if factory installed and it is the same model of sunroof. The sunroof itself has a lifetime warranty but installation warranty was only one year. I am still trying to get the dealer to stand behind it as a 3yr/42k warranty - LRNA does not cover dealer-installed accessories. BTW, the installer wired it up to the wrong circuit (no fuse!) which the dealer has now corrected. Only difference I can see from a factory installed setup is that there is no rear-sunroof switch at the front above the mirror (only a rear one but that is still reachable from driver's seat so it's not too big a deal). Also, they are in an electrical circuit that goes dead when ignition is off - according to the book, they should work like the windows and still operate for some time after ignition is off. Not very major gripes but make sure your installer/dealer does this correctly. Demand your two-way switches for the rear roof!!! > Another question I have is regarding the audio system in teh Discovery. > Is it really made by Pioneer? If so, can I buy a Pioneer 6-disc CD changer > from the open market and hope that it will fit with the assembly under > the passenger seat? If not, what is a good price to pay the dealer for > a CD changer? I checked with Pioneer and they were not sure but thought that if you bought the player from them and installed it yourself you would not get CD control from the "binnacle"-mounted switches. LR does not publish the wiring harness diagram to make this happen. That doesn't sound plausible to me but I was not going to argue and it gives peace-of-mind if the CD is covered by the warranty, so I paid through the nose and got the dealer to install CD. I'm sure the unit would fit fine under the seat. The access panel under the seat is kind'a cheap - mine doesn't clip into place well but the rubber mats hold it in place! I also got dealer-installed foglamps (they had to back-order them as the '96 ones are different to '95 options). > Thanks for any help you can give me. > Regards, > -Aninda > the passenger seat? If not, what is a good price to pay the dealer for > a CD changer? Andrew Smith Palo Alto CA USA '96 Discovery ------------------------------[ <- Message 33 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 12:21:37 -0600 From: Insoo@ceramatec.com (Insoo Bay) Subject: Thirsty Disco Hi all, How much is the engine oil consumption (burning) normal? My '95 Disco seems to gulp the oil at least a quarter (~1 liter) of oil every 2000~25000 miles. I could not see any trace of leak, though. I don't mind pouring the oil regularly (still my satisfaction index is 10 out of 10), however, what concerns me is the possible residual deposit on engine component. BTW, I have to confess I started using the synthetic oil after 1000 mile (currently, 7600 mile)-I know its my mistake. I just gave too much love.- Does it cause problem due to not correctly sitting piston rings? Happy rovering! '95 Disco-my mistress Salt Lake City, Utah USA ------------------------------[ <- Message 34 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 12:15:17 PST From: "BREAKFIELD ERNEST" <breakfield.ernest@smtpgateway.centigram.com> Subject: Re[2]: RR fuel economy - why so bad? IF i were to eat steak OR hamburgers, i'd always prefer a dependable fair-to-good quality burger than a steak of questionable quality! (few things piss me off more than something that doesn't live up to it's own supposedly high standard.) but i certainly wouldn't pay more for the steak JUST BECAUSE IT WAS A STEAK... especially considering the output/effectiveness of each; they both turn into the same thing anyway... how much do you want to spend on THAT? i've owned English, and may yet again someday; so i sympathize with you, applaud your guys' efforts to keep 'em running, and even respect your right to defend the poor fuel economy of the vehicles you've chosen to spend so much of your (presumably hard-earned) dollars on! just don't try to argue it with me on the basis of practicality... admit it's a thing of passion, and i'll give you all the leeway you want to pursue it on those grounds! in another message, John C. White, III writes: "Screwed up electrical systems have been part of English cars', er, charm since I can remember being aware of English cars. What I also remember hearing was that the first thing you do with English cars is rip out the #@$%! Lucas electrical system and put in Bosch." [encouraging words, eh? sounds like you knew this going in; i'm sorry, you should have known.] (signed) John '95 Discovery with problems 1 and 4 (but the left rear directional) Nevertheless, I still like my Rover and don't have any buyer's remorse. [too late now, eh?! i'll be curious to hear how you feel about it when you've got another 40K on the clock, a few dozen ski trips, and a couple of weeks in the desert sans tarmac!] good luck! (i hope you don't need it, but i'll pull you out anyway, waving or not!) ciaou for now, e ------------------------------[ <- Message 35 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 15:22:18 GMT -0600 Subject: Re: Ice Driving Mike Rooth asks: > A question for those knowledgeable about these things.... > When driving on ice(not snow,ice) would you engage diff > lock or not Snip Are you talking about ice on a 25 degree day or a -10-20 (or colder) degree day? The warmer ice is much more slippery. Since I don't have a diff lock on my SII I'll leave it to someone else to answer. Tom Rowe UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible. ------------------------------[ <- Message 36 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:41:35 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Edwards <edwardsj@ohsu.EDU> Subject: Disco chains In spite of chains not being recommended, I've gone ahead and bought a set of "diamond" radial chains at the local tire store. They seem to fit reasonably well even though the closest size they had was 235/75-16 and the tires are 235/70-16. There appears to be plenty of clearance at rest, so I'm not particularly concerned. Here in Oregon the state police will often make you chain up even if you have 4wd and know what you're doing. If I use the chains I'll send a report. Of course, if I don't use the chains I can return them to the store for a full refund this spring! ------------------------------[ <- Message 37 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: CALLanyVEG@aol.com Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 16:48:17 -0500 Subject: Re: Help with RR Model Year Upgrades To Allen Minner- i posted a similar question a while back with no response. Specifically i was looking for feedback on the reliability of the ABS system in later model RR's. I too am searching for a newer RR with the 3.9 and (?)ABS. I had an 88 RR, after a truck driver who was hauling rocks in his cab (head) UNCOVERED destroyed my windscreen, I upgraded to a heated one. Cost about $800 US including the needed wiring and switches/relays. Boy did my insurance co. luv me. Alas had to part with that baby. Anyway, the heated windshield is a nice option to have (sorry to all the series owners- btw anyone know of a lla 88" for sale in the springfield/boston area ? Email direct if so... ------------------------------[ <- Message 38 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Steve Methley" <sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 21:49:35 +0000 Subject: Re: Ice Driving Re: Ice and compacted snow driving Well, I never did bother about the theory, but the practice is to use diff lock on my 2 door Rangey. Without it the front and back alternately have a mind of their own. If you spin a back wheel and then somehow find grip then the front almost always breaks away in the same instant. We're talking gentle right foot here, BTW. So experience says use it. Anyone care to offer another theory to match the practice? -- Best Regards, Steve. ------------------------------[ <- Message 39 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 16 Nov 95 17:09:33 EST From: B Latimer Davies <100427.3237@compuserve.com> Subject: Lumenition Lumenition can be reached at 49/51 Tiverton street London SE1 6NZ phone 0171 403 4334 fax 0171378 1270 E-mail from: B Latimer-Davies, 16-Nov-1995 ------------------------------[ <- Message 40 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 16:18:40 GMT -0600 Subject: Re: Help with RR Model Year Upgrades > Anyway, the heated windshield is a nice option to have (sorry to all the > series owners- don't appologize. My '67 109 has a heated winscreen Tom Rowe UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible. ------------------------------[ <- Message 41 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:37:46 -0800 From: maddeng@Apple.com (gary madden) Subject: Re: Low MPG in new D90 >From: Ross Leidy <ross@secant.com> >Date: Tue, 14 Nov 95 12:41:38 0500 >Subject: Low MPG in new D90 >Has anyone else experienced similar behaviour? Perhaps related: during >idle, the engine seems to shudder every few seconds. It's not enough to [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] >year old engine design? Any ideas? Should I simply buy stock in petroleum >companies? My D90 (1994) mileage improved significantly after 2000 miles, as both engine and gearbox loosened up and rough edges on machining become polished. I now get 16-18 highway mpg, 13-14 around town and casual off-road. Rough idle is not correct, basic V8 has perfect primary balance so you should have dealer check it out. ------------------------------[ <- Message 42 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 15:10:18 -0800 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" <twakeman@apple.com> Subject: Dormobile roof hatch I will be having a mold of the Dormobile roof hatch made up from a borrowed unused hatch. Is anyone interested in purchasing hatches made from this mold? I do not yet know the cost of having additional hatches made up. I would ask for the cost of the hatch, shipping and a small part of the cost of making the mold. TeriAnn ------------------------------[ <- Message 43 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 15:12:14 -0800 From: cboese@co.san-bernardino.ca.us (Christopher Boese) Subject: looking for Jim Roth (sorry for the spam) Sorry about the spam, everyone, but I've been waiting three weeks for another message. Jim Roth, of Los Alamos County NM, please e-mail me again. Messages from AOL users don't show up with a return address. Christopher Boese County of San Bernardino, California Information Services, Information Systems Security Office ------------------------------[ <- Message 44 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 16 Nov 95 18:59:50 EST From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: London LR Dealers Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 02:55:08 -0500 Subject: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest > Several people wanted addresses of LR dealers in London, here are a few ... May I add 'Autopost' Ltd., Unit 21, Zennor Road Trade Est., Balham, London SW12 0PS, tel.0181-675 4022, fax 0181-673 4287. They also sell 'other' 4X4 parts, but mainly Land/Range Rover. Stefan <Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com> ------------------------------[ <- Message 45 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 19:30:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Current leakage problem Owen Evan's Rover leaks... > out. With battery reasonably well charged, and everything turned off, > disconnect battery +ve cable. Check current (if any). About 10 > milliamps. ..........snip......... > Any suggestions most welcome. - I would try disconnecting things one at a time and see when the current drain ends. The alternator & regulator might be suspect. The wiring could be bad, especially if you find a spot where the insulation has worn through. The metal clips that secure the wiring loom are famous for that. Good luck chasing sparks.. Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 725-1859 Gloversville NY, 12078 -USA- 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol ("Sidney") 7 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol ("Fern") #:-}> 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol (Parts is Parts) ------------------------------[ <- Message 46 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 19:17:10 -0600 (CST) From: David Place <dplace@SIRNet.mb.ca> Subject: Re: Help... Dry in Hawaii! Well I don't know if you are only looking to look or to buy, but I was stationed on Kauai during Iniki Hurricane working for the American Red Cross and I saw a Ser II 88 truck model. I remember it holding up traffic so I suspect the engine was wasted. I also suspect it was from the south of the island since it was seen near the road going south to Hanneppe (sp?). Check it out and if you go there please let me know how the town of Hanappe is now after the big blow. I ran the shelter for a short while at the barricks. Last newspaper article I saw on the town said they might not rebuild. About 80% of the buildings were damaged or destroyed. Dave VE4PN ------------------------------[ <- Message 47 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 17:27:25 EST From: jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben) Subject: Oh, no, it's gonna blow up again, RE: fuel and steaks I'm sorry I ever posted my note about poor fuel economy in RR. I was just looking for some technical info, such as cam swap/EFI/carb etc. I wasn't picking a fight with any Disco owners. I even let the "steak vs. burger" post alone for the fear of taking the list on another tangent. (Well, since it's already out - in my view the Disco is not a steak, more like a spinach quiche with a Perrier :) Let's stop this before it starts, and get back to the interesting tech. items about our Landies. Jan '63 109+ Hardtop '64 Jag 3.8S '69 Duetto ALFA '73 GTV ALFA '82 Ford Bronco 4x4 '87 Toyota 2x4 '90 choc. labrador ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From research!uk.stratus.com!LRO-Owner Thu Nov 16 15:46:28 1995 id AA09854; Thu, 16 Nov 95 15:46:27 EST Posted-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 12:15:17 PST Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 12:15:17 PST From: "BREAKFIELD ERNEST" <breakfield.ernest@smtpgateway.centigram.com> Precedence: bulk Errors-To: LRO-Owner@uk.stratus.com X-To: Land-Rover-Owner@uk.stratus.com, jcwhite3@well.com (John C. White, III) Subject: Re[2]: RR fuel economy - why so bad? X-Edited-By: LRO-Lite Content-Length: 2146 X-Lines: 41 Status: RO To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net IF i were to eat steak OR hamburgers, i'd always prefer a dependable fair-to-good quality burger than a steak of questionable quality! (few things piss me off more than something that doesn't live up to it's own supposedly high standard.) but i certainly wouldn't pay more for the steak JUST BECAUSE IT WAS A STEAK... especially considering the output/effectiveness of each; they both turn into the same thing anyway... how much do you want to spend on THAT? i've owned English, and may yet again someday; so i sympathize with you, applaud your guys' efforts to keep 'em running, and even respect your right to defend the poor fuel economy of the vehicles you've chosen to spend so much of your (presumably hard-earned) dollars on! just don't try to argue it with me on the basis of practicality... admit it's a thing of passion, and i'll give you all the leeway you want to pursue it on those grounds! in another message, John C. White, III writes: "Screwed up electrical systems have been part of English cars', er, charm since I can remember being aware of English cars. What I also remember hearing was that the first thing you do with English cars is rip out the #@$%! Lucas electrical system and put in Bosch." [encouraging words, eh? sounds like you knew this going in; i'm sorry, you should have known.] (signed) John '95 Discovery with problems 1 and 4 (but the left rear directional) Nevertheless, I still like my Rover and don't have any buyer's remorse. [too late now, eh?! i'll be curious to hear how you feel about it when you've got another 40K on the clock, a few dozen ski trips, and a couple of weeks in the desert sans tarmac!] good luck! (i hope you don't need it, but i'll pull you out anyway, waving or not!) ciaou for now, e ----- End Included Message ----- ------------------------------[ <- Message 48 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: LANROVEFN@aol.com Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 20:35:18 -0500 Subject: Land Rover Discovery Models Recently, David @ Dental.Stat.Com wrote inquiring about scale models of the Discovery. I have found a few. Three pewter models are available, one is of the CamelTrophy version. Britains ha s a rather crummy looking 1/32 scale. Hart models have a few 1/43 scale that I have seen only by photo. I would like to see Tamiya or Revell of Germany release a 1/24 or 1/16 version of the Disco in expedition trim. Anyone hear of any plans, I would like to know of any new releases of Land Rover scale models. Cheers, Mike Schmidt 94 White Disco ------------------------------[ <- Message 49 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 95 02:09:55 UT From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com> Subject: Series land rover headliners If you are having trouble finding a good replacement headliner or can't clean or repair your headliner. I have found a good source in the UK to replace your headliner. BJ Acoustics in the UK (0161-627-0873) has a great light grey coloured polyester liner. They provides swatches if your curious. Cost about $4.50 per metre. Mark ------------------------------[ <- Message 50 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 18:12:50 -0800 (PST) From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org> Subject: Re: Help with RR Model Year Upgrades On Thu, 16 Nov 1995 CALLanyVEG@aol.com wrote: > i posted a similar question a while back with no response. Specifically i > was looking for feedback on the reliability of the ABS system in later model > RR's. I too am searching for a newer RR with the 3.9 and (?)ABS. Re the reliability I haven't much info but one dealer mechanic told me that the ABS will eventually cost you money. Also Mike Green at WCB told me the early 1990's had teething problems with wheel alignment or something due to ABS that had to be fixed by shims. I didn't completely understand -- but anyway the problem was fixed on the later ones. The local dealer parts guy told me of his friend with a Jeep Grand Cherokee with ABS who had to spend about $2,500 on it for a whole new system. For whatever it's worth -- probably like any new technology the bugs had to be ironed out -- maybe they are by now. Cheers John ------------------------------[ <- Message 51 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 20:22:56 -0800 (PST) From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us> Subject: Re: Help... Dry in Hawaii! On Thu, 16 Nov 1995, David Place wrote: > Well I don't know if you are only looking to look or to buy, but I was > stationed on Kauai during Iniki Hurricane working for the American Red > Cross and I saw a Ser II 88 truck model. Hi Dave, Was this, by any chance, a burnished 88? There was a guy from Hawaii, I think it was Kauai, at the 1994 All British Field Meet in Portland, Oregon. He'd been touring the mainland for a year or so and was planning on returning home soon after the Meet. I don't think he was pre-registered since I don't see any LR owner from Hawaii in the Meet catalogue, but somebody who was there might remember his name and home island. Walt Swain ------------------------------[ <- Message 52 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 20:17:28 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com> Subject: LR in eurodisney pics? Someone went to EuroDisney and photo'd some vehicles built on a LR chassis (the body of which is on display elsewhere in the park). We have discussed putting the pictures up on my web page, but I didn't have access to a scanner at the time. I do now, so whoever it was, if you want to get in touch with me again, I can scan them and put them up. Sorry for losing your address! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California ------------------------------[ <- Message 53 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 21:21:41 -0800 From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com> Subject: Re: Re[2]: RR fuel economy - why so bad? Oh, Ernie, didn't your mother teach you that it's not nice to eavesdrop? You'll probably go back to -- what was it you drive? A Jeep? -- the Jeep list and tell them all what dunderheads those Land Rover guys are, especially that John White guy. Yep, if only I had your clarity of thought and reason, I wouldn't make such foolish decisions. How fortunate you are. Let's see here... On Fri, 10 Nov 95 17:42:35 PST you wrote: " now i don't feel so bad about having to slog around in the Jeep! 190 hp, 230 ft/lbs... and 16-23 mpg!" Then on Wed, 15 Nov 95 12:47:50 PST you wrote, with a bit of deleting on my part (my response follows it): " i've got over 40k on the odo now at about 1.5 years, and have quit compiling the list of things wrong with the same amount of faithfulness i originally started with; maybe after having enough things go wrong i've gained a higher tolerance for things 'not-as-they-should-be', or i'm just tired of trying to keep up, but the list isn't as up-to-date as it might be. what follows is a partial list: - Pull (Tires? Alignment shim?) upon delivery, the vehicle pulled to the left under sever braking. ... the original tires (Goodyear Wrangler Radials, 225/75/15.) had to be 'juggled' constantly to keep it tracking straight. ...the best advice i can give anyone considering these tires is DON'T. - Horn failed twice. replace the first time without argument under warranty; the second time refused due to the mechanic noting that it was "packed with mud". - A/C Howl a banshees howl that began when the compressor kicked in; 3 separate attempts to resolve this; the first 2 replacing parts, the last by reducing the pressure between the high and low pressure side (effectively reducing the efficiency of the entire A/C system, but eliminating the howl!) semi-repaired under warranty. - A/C Leak near the refill valve, fast enough to blister the paint near the valve. repaired under warranty. - Transmission leak (3 Times) twice ... due to the fact the gaskets aren't used; instead the assembly is done with a RTV-like goop...repaired under warranty. - Front Differential leak (2 Times) see above. - Headlight `Flasher' (fuse) ok, so i put some motorcycle H4's in with a slightly higher current draw; my fault. - Paint; thin spots, foaming electrostatic painting on a fiberglass hatch door? anybody else see a problem with this? aside from this, thin spots on drip rails, bubble, etc. - Door handle pulling off, inside Right Front (2 Times) ...repaired under warranty, only to have it repeat. - Brake Line rattle (Brake Line routed against firewall) dumb assembly; the damn thing rattled (more than usual!) when the door were closed, and at certain idle conditions. - Exhaust leak (Loose bracket) unforgivable! the exhaust may well have fallen off, if i wasn't poisoned first, had i not traced down what i thought sounded like an air leak. - Fog Light leak the stock lamps...leak, as well as feeble. - Loose Battery Bracket like, the battery falling over when i gave it a wiggle the day i drove it home? not clamped down AT ALL. - Stereo Volume/Balance knob Dirty/Noisy the switch in the factory cassette deck isn't fit for Hasbro! requiring a liberal dose of contact cleaner regularly since new. not such an issue these days as it seems the antennae cable is falling off of the back of the stereo intermittently rendering me radioless anyway. - Rear "Locking" Differential not locking! (One rear wheel will spin while the other doesn't) ... a couple of situations have placed me with contact points only at diagonal wheels, i don't always get the lockup of the rear i'd expect. - Rear Interior light switch inoperative another intermittent thing, never duplicated my the dealer, of course. - Oil leaking onto motor on long uphill climbs (near rear of motor) not an apparent problem yet, but not comforting either! - Oil Pressure Gauge erratic possibly a problem with the sender unit (i hope!), the gauge needle swings (intermittently, of course,) right up to the high end of the dial. sometimes remedied, by a frisky romp on the throttle (enough to cause downshift), especially frustrating because this is a gauge i hope to have faith in!" Looks like things are not as tidy in Jeepsville as one would hope, but look at the gas mileage you're getting! Cheers! John '95 Discovery - 12,000 miles Problems so far: 1. Squeaky steering wheel/column until vehicle warmed up. 2. Intermittent failure of left rear directional. No discernable pattern. Happens for about 10-20 miles of city driving, then clears up. 3. Jammed front sunroof. (Repaired under warranty at 9,500 miles) At 12:15 16.11.95 PST, BREAKFIELD ERNEST wrote: > IF i were to eat steak OR hamburgers, i'd always prefer a > dependable fair-to-good quality burger than a steak of questionable [ truncated by lro-digester (was 37 lines)] > ciaou for now, > e ------------------------------[ <- Message 54 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: RICKCRIDER@aol.com Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 01:17:54 -0500 Subject: Re: Current leakage problem (&cure) It has been mentioned that: >Owen Evan's Rover leaks... .......electrical current that is. When doing all the underneath stuff on an Alfa Romeo Giulietta Spider (which incidentally has Luca wiring and accessories..) I installed a simple 'master shut-off switch'.....a large heavy duty, high amperage two position switch with a large L shaped handle. It was quite simple on the Alfa.....the battery is in the trunk and the main lead to the engine bay passes right along under the passenger area. I installed it so that the On/Off lever protrudes just behind the passenger seat. Concealed, yet I can reach it easily from the drivers position. These are commonly available from auto parts jobbers (NAPA, etc..), farm and garden suppliers and racing equipment vendors. Actually several varieties all ranging about $20-$40 US. Needs to be inline with and very close to the battery (or at least with no lead outs prior to the switch). One flick of the switch effectively isolates the battery completely, and shuts *everything* down. Good theft and fire protection also. (Not that a Lucas harness is likely to short and burn.) Be sure to use quality cable ends where the spliced cable bolts to the switch, and solder the fittings thoroughly. I haven't done this on the Rovers yet but, considering the location of the battery, there are several places to locate it. Concealed under the wheelwell, or, un-concealed right out front on the 'breakfast' panel. Cordially: Rick Crider KD4FXA Monroe NC 66 Slla 109" ........and for sale....... 73 Slll 88" 88 Range Rover ------------------------------[ <- Message 55 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 08:33:51 +0001 From: wassili@AMC.UVA.NL (Roy Wassili) Subject: Re: Ice Driving Mike, I suppose there is a difference driving on ice with and without spiked tires. I also suppose that without spikes you'll have to use the diff., because if one wheel start spinning all others will loose traction, and as I understood well from earlier threads on diffs the center diff can't stand high speed differences from both axles for a long time. But, what would anyone do when driving with spikes? Do you have to lock the center diff or not? I got myself confused now %-} LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR ____ | _____/|__|| Roy Wassili,<wassili@amc.uva.nl> | /(-8| \ | Avalon Green '95 Discovery, ____|_/[]__|__\___|# scarved for live |] __=| | __ |# [|_/ \|_____|_/ \_|] ( o ) ( o ) ------------------------------[ <- Message 56 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: a-robw@microsoft.com Subject: RE: Ice Driving (and chains) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 17:17:40 -0800 Assuming you can find and fit chains to a Discovery. I would assume you would put them on the rear wheels if you are only going to put them on two tires, anyway. In such a case, It seems like you would need to lock the center-diff. It would seem that on ice, with the diff unlocked, only the front/no-traction tires would spin (because of the differential effect) and the tires w/ chains (and traction) would remain fixed. No? With chains on all four tires, it seems you could, and perhaps prefer to, go with the diff unlocked to prevent driveline bind-up and front-end creep in turns. Since all 4 tires would have "equal" traction. On Ice w/ no chains or studs (and no lockers), if the center diff is unlocked, you would have 1 spinning tire, with the center diff locked you would have 2 (one in front, one in back). The latter would seem to be preferable, of the two anyway. Just a guess, anyway. -- Bob W. ---------- From: Mike Rooth[SMTP:M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 1995 8:15 AM Subject: Ice Driving To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net A question for those knowledgeable about these things.... When driving on ice(not snow,ice) would you engage diff lock or not.And why.I will allow hard packed slippery snow to count as ice. A colleague here is having a difference of opinion with a mate(at least he *was* a mate)who drives a Range Rover. FWIW I dont think I would engage the diff lock,I think it would prejudice manouevrability,but YMMV. Cheers Mike Rooth ------------------------------[ <- Message 57 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951117 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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