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1 Brian Neill Tiedemann [s17Re: Dixon confusion
2 Lloyd Allison [lloyd@cs.29engine conversions
3 Danny Phillips [danny@tl24discos and bits.
4 "barnett childress" [bar6re:The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
5 wassili@AMC.UVA.NL (Roy 20"New" 300 TDi in Discovery
6 Stephen Thomas [THOMSE-U33 Good timing Mr C. .....
7 "Gerald" [g@ix.netcom.co27Re: London LR Dealers
8 add@philabs.research.phi22Discovery pricing
9 Fred Ellsworth [fellswor18Luminition Installation
10 jim@kidd.com (jnk) 91960 SII Turn Signal
11 Steve Temple [temples@cs43Re: Seatbelts for D110 rear
12 "AMEDEO R. LUTTWAK" [10212NAS Def 110 for sale.
13 aminner@ix.netcom.com (A20Re: Help with RR Model Year Upgrades
14 Mike Rooth [M.J.Rooth@lu16Ice Driving
15 cboese@co.san-bernardino23Re: Discovery quality vs. Jeep
16 DEBROWN@SRP.GOV 25Safari guard.
17 "AMEDEO R. LUTTWAK" [10210DEF 110 for sale.
18 add@philabs.research.phi30Dealer-installed Sunroof
19 "Boehme, Doug" [boehmed@34Poor D90 Gas Mileage
20 cboese@co.san-bernardino18Re: Looking for a 1994/95 Discovery
21 Mark Ritter [70472.1130@26Lock-Right
22 "Mark Talbot" [Land_Rove18Vermont as a Non DOT State
23 Duncan Brown [DB@CHO004.17Re: 1960 SII Turn Signal
24 Mike Rooth [M.J.Rooth@lu10Re: Good timing Mr C. .....
25 M.D.Gregory@derby.ac.uk 8 re:
26 rpeng@cadev6.intel.com 28re: Discovery
27 BMR2%OPS%DCPP@go50.comp.16...no subject...
28 asmith@BayNetworks.COM (17Re: "New" 300 TDi in Discovery
29 John Brabyn [brabyn@skiv24Re: Help with RR Model Year Upgrades
30 jim@kidd.com (jnk) 11valves/engine
31 "Wayne R. Haight" [whaig22Help... Dry in Hawaii!
32 asmith@BayNetworks.COM (67Re: Dealer-installed Sunroof
33 Insoo@ceramatec.com (Ins22Thirsty Disco
34 "BREAKFIELD ERNEST" [bre41Re[2]: RR fuel economy - why so bad?
35 "Tom Rowe" [TROWE@AE.AGE24Re: Ice Driving
36 Jim Edwards [edwardsj@oh14Disco chains
37 CALLanyVEG@aol.com 20Re: Help with RR Model Year Upgrades
38 "Steve Methley" [sgm@hpl19Re: Ice Driving
39 B Latimer Davies [1004279Lumenition
40 "Tom Rowe" [TROWE@AE.AGE17Re: Help with RR Model Year Upgrades
41 maddeng@Apple.com (gary 22Re: Low MPG in new D90
42 "TeriAnn Wakeman" [twak15Dormobile roof hatch
43 cboese@co.san-bernardino12looking for Jim Roth (sorry for the spam)
44 "Stefan R. Jacob" [1000417Re: London LR Dealers
45 LANDROVER@delphi.com 28Re: Current leakage problem
46 David Place [dplace@SIRN15Re: Help... Dry in Hawaii!
47 jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben81Oh, no, it's gonna blow up again, RE: fuel and steaks
48 LANROVEFN@aol.com 15Land Rover Discovery Models
49 "Mark Talbot" [Land_Rove15Series land rover headliners
50 John Brabyn [brabyn@skiv25Re: Help with RR Model Year Upgrades
51 "Walter C. Swain" [wcswa22Re: Help... Dry in Hawaii!
52 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn17LR in eurodisney pics?
53 "John C. White, III" [jc132Re: Re[2]: RR fuel economy - why so bad?
54 RICKCRIDER@aol.com 44Re: Current leakage problem (&cure)
55 wassili@AMC.UVA.NL (Roy 23Re: Ice Driving
56 a-robw@microsoft.com 43RE: Ice Driving (and chains)


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From: Brian Neill Tiedemann <s914440@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Dixon confusion
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 19:18:04 +1100 (EDT)

Relax Frank, I was only pointing out that my message to the list a few 
days back read something like "I'm thinking of exposed verses hidden door 
and bonnet hinges. Do I win the prize?" after your trivia question about 
RR model differences..... and that my name is NOT Dixon (since the next 
message from you stated that Dixon was the only one to pick the door 
hinge thing).
I'm sure I stuck at least one smiley in there though.
If perchance I forgot.... :)   :)   :)

Brian
77 RR (not all that offended really!)

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 21:43:49 +1100 (EST)
From: Lloyd Allison <lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au>
Subject: engine conversions

rad's and x-members

Anthony Maeder wrote a bit about this in
   http://www.sofcom.com.au/4WD/Conv/Conv.html
the front x-member chop can be quite neat, one cuts along the midline
of the top face and the rear face, reverses the section and welds it back in.
Marks 4WD adaptors has a link (somewhere off the above) and
Sarry at Marks takes email and is very helpful.

Rear seat belts.
   from memory, the inwards facing seats in a Stn Wgn with belts
have steel u-channels that run from the outer skin, under the box
to the inner skin. They are rivetted through the outer skin
(see the extra rivets) and the inner seat box skin.
For factory-fitted belts, I think these channels have built-in nuts
for the seat-belt fixing bolts.

Don't know about belts for the 2nd row of forward-facers.

Toy Discovery - Britains make one.
  there is a pic' on the toy web page and a link to a toy shop
   (UK) where you can order one online!

Lloyd

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From: Danny Phillips <danny@tlpgate.lonpar.co.uk>
Subject: discos and bits.
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 11:04:48 GMT

Hi all, I have been reading the comments people have posted about warrenty work
and thought i would let you know about the strange way in which our local dealer works.

when our disco went in for the first service that we had her for, they replaced
the bonnet catch as it should have been changed by the previous dealer under
instructions from LR. They also changed a mounting bracket somewhere underneath
(guy showed me but i still could not see it just said yes) all done under
warrenty even though the car was nearly 2 years old and out of warrenty. they
also very neatly used cable ties to fix up the electrical socket on our tow bar
and tie up the cable out of the way. thank you very much.

but, this is the strange bit, they noted that the turbo (200 TDi) heatsheild
was lose when she went in for a service, a bolt was missing. So i duely bought
the bolt and fitted it myself, it cost 35p and took 5 mins, so i ask you chaps
does anyone understand land rover dealers?

god and land rovers move in mysterious ways (usually sideways).
 bye

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 6:47:28 EST
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re:The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:43:57 +0001
From: wassili@AMC.UVA.NL (Roy Wassili)
Subject: "New" 300 TDi in Discovery

Just read an article on the new '96 Discovery 300 TDi automatic. Due to a
new EDC( Electronic Diesel Control??) the 300 TDi engine now has an 8.4%
increasement (83kW -> 90 kW) of its horsepower and 13% increasement of its
torque( 265 Nm -> 300 Nm ). Torque is now as high as the 3.9 V8! With this
improvement the car has become the strongest in its class( 2.5 l ).
Now I wonder, has BMW anything to do with this!?

LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR
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      |   _____/|__||   Roy Wassili,<wassili@amc.uva.nl>
      |  /(-8|  \   |   Avalon Green '95 Discovery,
  ____|_/[]__|__\___|#  scarved for live
 |] __=|     |  __  |#
[|_/  \|_____|_/  \_|]
  ( o )        ( o )

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From: Stephen Thomas <THOMSE-U@m4-arts.bham.ac.uk>
Date:         16 Nov 95 12:44:18 GMT
Subject:      Good timing Mr C. .....

Well Bill it's nice to see you're settling back into life over there.
Your timing is spot on however, after having experienced the only
really good summer here in about twenty years you have managed to
escape just prior to what appears to be a deep winter, they forcast
snow this weekend, oh well a chance to lock those hubs I suppose.

Also could Steve Reddock contact me, or someone forward his address,
I meant to post something to him but zapped his message.

Cheers
Steve

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From: "Gerald" <g@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 08:17:16 -0500
Subject: Re: London LR Dealers

Stratstone's parts department is not at the showroom. I think it has
two parts locations: 277A Gray's Inn Road, WC1X BQF 0171 833 2323 fax
0171 837 0086 and 239 Brixton Hill Road, SW2 1NR 0181 674 0117 fax 
0181 671 7659

Waved at two Disco's yesterday, but both were parked with owners not
in them.

>From: David.Tinley@bbc.co.uk (Dave Tinley)

>Several people wanted addresses of LR dealers in London, here are a few.

>H.R.Owen, Melton Court, 27 Old Brompton Road, London.  SW7 3TD
>0171-584 8451  or  0181-992 2299
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>Hexagon, Holmes Road, Kentish Town, London.  NW5
>0171-284 1777

--
Gerald
g@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 09:07:35 EST
From: add@philabs.research.philips.com (Aninda V. Dasgupta)
Subject: Discovery pricing

Hello everyone,

  I am a new member of this mailing list.  I am purchasing a new '96 Disco SD.
I consider myself lucky that I have 5 LR dealers near here (Westchester
County, NY, just 40 miles north of NY City).  All the dealers, however, are
claiming that Discoveries are so much in demand that they won't sell one
to me for much below the manufacturer's suggested retail price.  Is there
anyone on this list who has bought a Discovery recently in the Northeastern
US?  I would like to hear if you had a similar experience and ended up paying
close to "sticker price."  Thanks for any help you can give me.  I hope to
be a regular reader of this list.  Regards,

-Aninda--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Aninda DasGupta (add@philabs.philips.com) Ph:(914)945-6071 Fax:(914)945-6552
Philips Labs\n 345 Scarborough Rd\n  Briarcliff Manor\n NY 10510
"Err.., Phillips Petroleum gives you gas; fortunately Phillips Chemical
 makes antacid. Philips is with one "el"; we make lightbulbs, and other shtuff."

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 09:20:26 -0500
From: Fred Ellsworth <fellswor@camb-lads.loral.com>
Subject: Luminition Installation

I just got a Luminition electronic ignition from DAP for our '72 88" and am
wondering if anyone out there has advice on installing them.

I remember awhile back someone on the list mentioned that figuring out the
instructions was the hardest part about the installation.  After reading
them last night, I can see how easily that could be true.

Any tips?

Thanks in advance,
Fred

ps please reply to me personally- I want to put this in before the weekend.

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 09:38:38 -0400
From: jim@kidd.com (jnk)
Subject: 1960 SII Turn Signal

My rover is a 1960 SII. The turn signal is a small lever mounted on the
dash to the right of the steering column. Is this the correct location? We
own several 1966-69 SII A's with turn signals on the column. I haven't seen
any other rover with a signal indicator like mine.

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 15:18:45 GMT
From: Steve Temple <temples@cs.man.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Seatbelts for D110 rear

> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:15:39 +0000
> From: Michael Turpin <ccaamet@ucl.ac.uk>
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> pounds, so maybe it's not so surprising!  Anyone out there done this.
> Any info/experience gratefully received.
> Mike

Mike,

I have fitted four lap belts for the bench seats in my 90. It is not an
enjoyable job! The parts cost around UKP300 of which only 60ish was for
the belts. The remainder buys 6 genuine LR brackets which you must pop
rivet into the wheel arches. There are further brackets which go inside
the cab and should be pop riveted through the side body panel. These
require monster pop rivets called monobolts which I was unable to find
a gun big enough to handle and so I have done without. You also need to
drill holes through the wheel arch to take the seat belt bolts through
to the brackets underneath.

It took a long time for my local supplier to get the correct set of
brackets (they come in mirror image versions and I got some in
incorrectly labelled bags). You will also probably need longer bolts
for the belts than those supplied.  In addition, I had a problem
because the brackets were over-galvanised and the threads were not
capable of taking the belt bolts. I had to borrow a tap to re-cut the
threads.

When you've got all the bits together I would allow a full day to do
all the fitting which is fairly obvious but requires much time with
your head stuck in the wheel arch while you drill the holes for the pop
rivets.

So it's not a great deal of fun but it can be done. I wouldn't like to
have to do it again in a hurry but don't let that put you off!

Let me know if I can be of any further help...

--Steve

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Date: 16 Nov 95 10:55:16 EST
From: "AMEDEO R. LUTTWAK" <102505.3511@compuserve.com>
Subject: NAS Def 110 for sale.

1993 Defender 110 available (through Dealer)
Winch, Engine protection plate, Fender protection plates, 4 off-road
lights top mounted, Alpine sound system with CD player, Alpine alarm,
perfect body&mechanics, 19000 miles.
Will sell close to 50k.

Call Amedeo at 1-800-484-9520 

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 08:09:43 -0800
From: aminner@ix.netcom.com (Allen Minner )
Subject: Re: Help with RR Model Year Upgrades

Thanks to all who gave me input regardng the reliability of the '87-'90 
Range Rovers.  Overall, everyone was very positive.   I would like to 
get one that has the "bigger" V8, ABS brakes and the heated windshield. 
I think it goes like this:
    1988 None of these options are available
    1989 First year of higher output engine, ABS available in County    
         edition only, first year of heated windshield?
    1990 ABS brakes standard

I am not sure when the heated windshied was available, but really need 
one.  Here, near Seattle WA,  we have lots of rain, and I am planning 
to use the RR in my work as a real estate agent.  This means carrying 
wet people around, and fogging windows are a real possibility.

Any help, or clarification, would be appreciated.  

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Ice Driving
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 16:15:56 GMT

A question for those knowledgeable about these things....
When driving on ice(not snow,ice) would you engage diff
lock or not.And why.I will allow hard packed slippery
snow to count as ice.
A colleague here is having a difference of opinion with
a mate(at least he *was* a mate)who drives a Range Rover.
FWIW I dont think I would engage the diff lock,I think
it would prejudice manouevrability,but YMMV.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 08:12:06 -0800
From: cboese@co.san-bernardino.ca.us (Christopher Boese)
Subject: Re: Discovery quality vs. Jeep

Bennett Leeds points out:

>> ...Consumer Reports. Of course, they went ahead and recommended the Grand
Cherokee...
>Not in the review I have, dated Aug., 1995. They said: "CR would  
>recommend the Grand Cherokee if not for its poor reliabilty record."

Well, good for them. They loved it in the April '94 car issue. This was
before the GC had established much of a record.

BTW, when I said all that about jeeps breaking in half off-road, I was, of
course exaggerating for dramatic effect. What I really was referring to was
torsional stability, resistance to undercarriage damage, etc. And preventing
feelings of profound fear in the driver. 8-)

Christopher Boese
County of San Bernardino, California
Information Services, Information Systems Security Office

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 09:22:48 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: Safari guard.

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: Safari guard.
I just recently got a little flyer and some photos from them. Looks really
functional, not pretty. I'm interested in prices... Probably will call them
today.

No address in the flyer, but the return address on the envelope is:

  41095 Fig St. Murrieta CA 92562

Phone: (909) 698-6114 for orders: (800) 820-GARD

Dave Brown

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Date: 16 Nov 95 11:18:27 EST
From: "AMEDEO R. LUTTWAK" <102505.3511@compuserve.com>
Subject: DEF 110 for sale.

NAS DEF 110 for sale. 
19k miles, loaded, winch, many upgrades. Perfect.
$ 50K?  CAll Amedeo    at 1-800-484-9520  dial code 1977 to get through.

	 

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 11:27:27 EST
From: add@philabs.research.philips.com (Aninda V. Dasgupta)
Subject: Dealer-installed Sunroof

I am purchasing a new '96 Discovery.  As I don't want dual sunroofs, and
as I don't care for power-seats or leather interior, I decided to go for
the SD version. However, I would like a single power sunroof in the front.
The dealer assures me that he can have one installed for about $1K, and
that installation will not damage the integrity of the steel roof, nor
harm the color coat, nor make the steel roof more prone to rust.  Is
this true?  Is it safe to go ahead and let the dealer install a sun-roof?

Another question I have is regarding the audio system in teh Discovery.
Is it really made by Pioneer?  If so, can I buy a Pioneer 6-disc CD changer
from the open market and hope that it will fit with the assembly under
the passenger seat?  If not, what is a good price to pay the dealer for
a CD changer?

Thanks for any help you can give me.

Regards,

-Aninda

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Aninda DasGupta (add@philabs.philips.com) Ph:(914)945-6071 Fax:(914)945-6552
Philips Labs\n 345 Scarborough Rd\n  Briarcliff Manor\n NY 10510
"Err.., Phillips Petroleum gives you gas; fortunately Phillips Chemical
 makes antacid. Philips is with one "el"; we make lightbulbs, and other shtuff."

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <boehmed@MAILHOST.ISCG.COM>
Subject: Poor D90 Gas Mileage
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 09:50:00 PST

[Has anyone else experienced similar behaviour?  Perhaps related:  during
idle, the engine seems to shudder every few seconds.  It's not enough to
affect the tach, but it's definitely noticable.  Is this normal for the   
30
year old engine design?  Any ideas?  Should I simply buy stock in   
petroleum
companies?]

______________________________________________________

My gas mileage was the same story when I first got it, but now that I   
have
4500 miles on my Defender, the gas mileage has definitely gotten better.
I get about 17MPG on the highway (I usually don't go over 65) and about
13MPG in the city.

Have you started to notice when certain gas stations run specials on   
their
per gallon price on certain days?  I can name one for each day of the   
week,
all within 15 minutes of my house.

Good luck,
Doug
______________________________________________________
Douglas Boehme  (boehmed@iscg.com)
ISCG
95 D90

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 08:30:38 -0800
From: cboese@co.san-bernardino.ca.us (Christopher Boese)
Subject: Re: Looking for a 1994/95 Discovery

Chris Whitehead and all,

>There is one 1994 here in the Scottsdale dealer for
>$31,018 that is pretty nice, so anything lower than that would be in the ball
>park.

That seems high for a (I assume) used Discovery. I got my '95 on sale (I
didn't negotiate) for nearly $800 under sticker at Symes in Pasadena. Do any
of your dealers have new '95s?

Christopher Boese
County of San Bernardino, California
Information Services, Information Systems Security Office

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Date: 16 Nov 95 10:48:31 EST
From: Mark Ritter <70472.1130@compuserve.com>
Subject: Lock-Right

Trefor Wrote:

<All,>

<Does anyone have any experience with or knowledge of LockRight automatic> 
<differentials  ?.  This may well be limited to the UK market as they are> 
<based (according to their sales blurb) in Lancashire.>

<Thanks.>

They are actually based in California and the Co. is called Powertrax. Their
number here in the states is 1-800-Lockers ( a freephone number as you would
say). If you call them ask to speak to Bill Cole as he is familiar with the LR
installations. I have one in my Disco and am very happy with it. The diference
it makes is astounding especially on really tough trails where you get
cross-axled or lift wheels off the ground. On the street it is very well
mannered and the only evidence of its existence is a clicking sound at the
outside wheel unlocks around corners.

							Mark Ritter 94 Disco
							Atlanta Georgia USA

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 16:43:48 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: Vermont as a Non DOT State

Think this was posted before, but didn't see the answer. 

Just what does it mean that Vermont is a NON DOT state ? I'm curious because 
New Hampshire has some old rules regarding vehicles, basically here we can 
have ANYTHING that is over 10 years old. Yes that is right read into this 
what you will. 

We also have an option here called "Home made". Believe it or not, some land 
Rovers rebuilt can come under that banner. 

Curious what Vermont has. 

Mark

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 12:07:49 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Brown <DB@CHO004.CHO.GE.COM>
Subject: Re: 1960 SII Turn Signal

> My rover is a 1960 SII. The turn signal is a small lever mounted on the
> dash to the right of the steering column. Is this the correct location? We
> own several 1966-69 SII A's with turn signals on the column. I haven't seen
> any other rover with a signal indicator like mine.

    I also have a 1960 SII (88), and it also has that lever in the extra
    dash plate for its turn signal.  Someone later added a
    column-mounted unit with the little rubber wheel.  They are
    actually both operational (parallel-wired) but obviously the one on
    the column is a *lot* easier to use!

    Duncan

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Good timing Mr C. .....
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 17:05:42 GMT

Ah,come on Steve.We arent going to get enough to play in.
Last time was 1990.Round here,anyway.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: M.D.Gregory@derby.ac.uk
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 17:30:35 +0000
Subject:  re:

In a Series Landrover you would or else you would continually be
spinning the back wheels, not sure about permanent 4 wheel drive.

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From: rpeng@cadev6.intel.com
Subject: re: Discovery
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 9:40:43 PST

>As far a BMW reliability all I know is that my wife's 1992 325i has had more
>warranty work done in the same period of time than my 95 Discovery (once for
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>to our satisfaction.
>So be wary of wishing BMW quality on LR.

Interesting, my wife happens to drive the same car, same year too (albeit a 
late-92), and it's been trouble free in 40K miles. No rattles, no leaks. 

Don't forget '92 is the first year of the new body style 325i. The Discovery,
on the other hand, was introduced in the 80's, and "should" have the problems
sorted out by now.

Sure, BMW is not perfect; they've had bad models, like the early '88 750il, 
but in general I'd say they maintain pretty high quality standards. 

-- 
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Roger Peng                                     (408)765-7863
Intel Corporation
Design Technology, Physical CAD
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From: BMR2%OPS%DCPP@go50.comp.pge.com
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 10:01:14 PST
Subject: ...no subject...

The number and address for Safari Guard
 Info   909-698-6114
 Orders 800-820-GARD

 Safari Gard
 41095 Fig St.
 Murrieta Ca. 92562

Brian Rainbolt (acomplished lurker)
89 RR

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 10:26:53 PST
From: asmith@BayNetworks.COM (Andrew Smith)
Subject: Re: "New" 300 TDi in Discovery

> Just read an article on the new '96 Discovery 300 TDi automatic. Due to a
> new EDC( Electronic Diesel Control??) the 300 TDi engine now has an 8.4%
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> improvement the car has become the strongest in its class( 2.5 l ).
> Now I wonder, has BMW anything to do with this!?

No - it's probably just a new software upgrade ("Tappets '96").
I'll bet the '96 requires with more RAM too :-)

Andrew Smith
Palo Alto CA USA
'96 Disco

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 10:40:25 -0800 (PST)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: Help with RR Model Year Upgrades

On Thu, 16 Nov 1995, Allen Minner wrote:

>     1989 First year of higher output engine, ABS available in County    
>          edition only, first year of heated windshield?
>     1990 ABS brakes standard

The ABS was not introduced til 1990

> I am not sure when the heated windshied was available, but really need 
> one.  Here, near Seattle WA,  we have lots of rain, and I am planning 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> to use the RR in my work as a real estate agent.  This means carrying 
> wet people around, and fogging windows are a real possibility.

I know the heated windshield was on the 89, not sure about earlier models.

Cheers

John Brabyn

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:35:53 -0400
From: jim@kidd.com (jnk)
Subject: valves/engine

What year petrol engine did not have valve seals in the head? I'm
rebuilding my  1960 88" SII's engine and my head is wasted... The only good
head we have is one without valve seals. The guy rebuilding the head says
there isn't much difference in the two and that the head without seals
would be strong and work well? Would there be any problem with putting this
head on my engine?

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 07:46:33 -1000
From: "Wayne R. Haight" <whaight@honlab.nmfs.hawaii.edu>
Subject: Help... Dry in Hawaii!

Aloha!

As you have probably guessed, Hawaii is a veritable desert when it comes to
Series Land Rovers. Does anyone know of ANY Series Landies on ANY island in
Hawaii? I will fly to any other island (I'm in Honolulu) to check out any
prospects. If this query gets no hits, I will have to go further afield, i.e
the West Coast of the US.

So how about helping a marooned Series lover?

-Mahalo

Wayne R. Haight (whaight@honlab.nmfs.hawaii.edu)
Senior Fisheries Research Specialist
NOAA/JIMAR
2570 Dole Street
Honolulu, Hawaii 96822

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 11:06:23 PST
From: asmith@BayNetworks.COM (Andrew Smith)
Subject: Re: Dealer-installed Sunroof

> From LRO-Owner@uk.stratus.com Thu Nov 16 08:58:30 1995
> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 11:27:27 EST
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> X-To: lro@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> Subject: Dealer-installed Sunroof

Aninda,

> I am purchasing a new '96 Discovery.  As I don't want dual sunroofs, and
> as I don't care for power-seats or leather interior, I decided to go for
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> harm the color coat, nor make the steel roof more prone to rust.  Is
> this true?  Is it safe to go ahead and let the dealer install a sun-roof?

I had my dealer install dual sunroofs in my SD before delivery. This was
subcontracted to a "sunroof installer" firm that they have dealt with
for a long time (they mostly send their new Jags and Rolls down there so
I figured they must be OK! Imagine taking a saw to the roof of a $100000
Roller? Ouch!). Price was as if factory installed and it is the same model
of sunroof. The sunroof itself has a lifetime warranty but installation
warranty was only one year. I am still trying to get the dealer to stand
behind it as a 3yr/42k warranty - LRNA does not cover dealer-installed
accessories.

BTW, the installer wired it up to the wrong circuit (no fuse!) which the
dealer has now corrected. Only difference I can see from a factory installed
setup is that there is no rear-sunroof switch at the front above the
mirror (only a rear one but that is still reachable from driver's seat so
it's not too big a deal). Also, they are in an electrical circuit that goes
dead when ignition is off - according to the book, they should work like
the windows and still operate for some time after ignition is off. Not 
very major gripes but make sure your installer/dealer does this correctly.
Demand your two-way switches for the rear roof!!!

> Another question I have is regarding the audio system in teh Discovery.
> Is it really made by Pioneer?  If so, can I buy a Pioneer 6-disc CD changer
> from the open market and hope that it will fit with the assembly under
> the passenger seat?  If not, what is a good price to pay the dealer for
> a CD changer?

I checked with Pioneer and they were not sure but thought that if you
bought the player from them and installed it yourself you would not get
CD control from the "binnacle"-mounted switches. LR does not publish
the wiring harness diagram to make this happen. That doesn't sound plausible
to me but I was not going to argue and it gives peace-of-mind if the CD
is covered by the warranty, so I paid through the nose and got the dealer to
install CD. I'm sure the unit would fit fine under the seat. The access
panel under the seat is kind'a cheap - mine doesn't clip into place well
but the rubber mats hold it in place!

I also got dealer-installed foglamps (they had to back-order them as the
'96 ones are different to '95 options).

> Thanks for any help you can give me.
> Regards,
> -Aninda
> the passenger seat?  If not, what is a good price to pay the dealer for
> a CD changer?

Andrew Smith
Palo Alto CA USA
'96 Discovery

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 12:21:37 -0600
From: Insoo@ceramatec.com (Insoo Bay)
Subject: Thirsty Disco

Hi all,

How much is the engine oil consumption (burning) normal?  My '95 Disco
seems to gulp the oil at least a quarter (~1 liter) of oil every 2000~25000
miles.  I could not see any trace of leak, though.  I don't mind pouring
the oil regularly (still my satisfaction index is 10 out of 10), however,
what concerns me is the possible residual deposit on engine component.
BTW, I have to confess I started using the synthetic oil after 1000 mile
(currently, 7600 mile)-I know its my mistake.  I just gave too much love.-
Does it cause problem due to not correctly sitting piston rings?

Happy rovering!

'95 Disco-my mistress

Salt Lake City, Utah
USA

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 12:15:17 PST
From: "BREAKFIELD ERNEST" <breakfield.ernest@smtpgateway.centigram.com>
Subject: Re[2]: RR fuel economy - why so bad?

        IF i were to eat steak OR hamburgers, i'd always prefer a 
     dependable fair-to-good quality burger than a steak of questionable 
     quality! (few things piss me off more than something that doesn't live 
     up to it's own supposedly high standard.) but i certainly wouldn't pay 
     more for the steak JUST BECAUSE IT WAS A STEAK... especially 
     considering the output/effectiveness of each; they both turn into the 
     same thing anyway... how much do you want to spend on THAT?
     
        i've owned English, and may yet again someday; so i sympathize with 
     you, applaud your guys' efforts to keep 'em running, and even respect 
     your right to defend the poor fuel economy of the vehicles you've 
     chosen to spend so much of your (presumably hard-earned) dollars on! 
     just don't try to argue it with me on the basis of practicality... 
     admit it's a thing of passion, and i'll give you all the leeway you 
     want to pursue it on those grounds!
     
     in another message, John C. White, III writes:
     "Screwed up electrical systems have been part of English cars', er, 
     charm since I can remember being aware of English cars.  What I also 
     remember hearing was that the first thing you do with English cars is 
     rip out the #@$%! Lucas electrical system and put in Bosch."
        [encouraging words, eh? sounds like you knew this going in; i'm 
     sorry, you should have known.]
     (signed)
     John
     '95 Discovery with problems 1 and 4 (but the left rear directional) 
     Nevertheless, I still like my Rover and don't have any buyer's 
     remorse.
        [too late now, eh?! i'll be curious to hear how you feel about it 
     when you've got another 40K on the clock, a few dozen ski trips, and a 
     couple of weeks in the desert sans tarmac!]
     
        good luck! (i hope you don't need it, but i'll pull you out anyway, 
     waving or not!)
                                                         ciaou for now,
                                                                e

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 15:22:18 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Ice Driving

 Mike Rooth asks:
> A question for those knowledgeable about these things....
> When driving on ice(not snow,ice) would you engage diff
> lock or not
Snip

Are you talking about ice on a 25 degree day or a -10-20 (or colder) 
degree day? The warmer ice is much more slippery.
Since I don't have a diff lock on my SII I'll leave it to someone 
else to answer.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:41:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Jim Edwards <edwardsj@ohsu.EDU>
Subject: Disco chains

In spite of chains not being recommended, I've gone ahead and bought a 
set of "diamond" radial chains at the local tire store. They seem to fit 
reasonably well even though the closest size they had was 235/75-16 and 
the tires are 235/70-16. There appears to be plenty of clearance at rest, 
so I'm not particularly concerned.
	Here in Oregon the state police will often make you chain up even 
if you have 4wd and know what you're doing. If I use the chains I'll send 
a report. Of course, if I don't use the chains I can return them to the 
store for a full refund this spring!

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From: CALLanyVEG@aol.com
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 16:48:17 -0500
Subject: Re: Help with RR Model Year Upgrades

To Allen Minner-

i posted a similar question a while back with no response.  Specifically i
was looking for feedback on the reliability of the ABS system in later model
RR's.  I  too am searching for a newer RR with the 3.9 and (?)ABS.

I had an 88 RR, after a truck driver who was hauling rocks in his cab (head)
UNCOVERED destroyed my windscreen, I upgraded to a heated one.  Cost about
$800 US including the needed wiring and switches/relays. Boy did my insurance
co. luv me.  Alas had to part with that baby.

 Anyway, the heated windshield is a nice option to have (sorry to all the
series owners- btw anyone know of  a  lla  88" for sale in the
springfield/boston area ?  Email direct if so...

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From: "Steve Methley" <sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 21:49:35 +0000
Subject: Re: Ice Driving

Re: Ice and compacted snow driving

Well, I never did bother about the theory, but the practice is to use
diff lock on my 2 door Rangey.  Without it the front and back
alternately have a mind of their own.  If you spin a back wheel and
then somehow find grip then the front almost always breaks away in the
same instant.  We're talking gentle right foot here, BTW.

So experience says use it.  Anyone care to offer another theory to
match the practice?
--
Best Regards,
Steve.

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Date: 16 Nov 95 17:09:33 EST
From: B Latimer Davies <100427.3237@compuserve.com>
Subject: Lumenition

Lumenition can be reached at 49/51 Tiverton street
 London SE1 6NZ phone 0171 403 4334 fax 0171378 1270

  E-mail from: B Latimer-Davies, 16-Nov-1995

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 16:18:40 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Help with RR Model Year Upgrades

>  Anyway, the heated windshield is a nice option to have (sorry to all the
> series owners-
don't appologize. My '67 109 has a heated winscreen

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:37:46 -0800
From: maddeng@Apple.com (gary madden)
Subject: Re: Low MPG in new D90

>From: Ross Leidy <ross@secant.com>
>Date: Tue, 14 Nov 95 12:41:38 0500
>Subject: Low MPG in new D90

>Has anyone else experienced similar behaviour?  Perhaps related:  during
>idle, the engine seems to shudder every few seconds.  It's not enough to
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>year old engine design?  Any ideas?  Should I simply buy stock in petroleum
>companies?

My D90 (1994) mileage improved significantly after 2000 miles, as both
engine and gearbox loosened up and rough edges on machining become
polished.  I now get 16-18 highway mpg, 13-14 around town and casual
off-road.

Rough idle is not correct, basic V8 has perfect primary balance so you
should have dealer check it out.

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 15:10:18 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Dormobile roof hatch

I will be having a mold of the Dormobile roof hatch made up from a borrowed 
unused hatch.

Is anyone interested in purchasing hatches made from this mold?

I do not yet know the cost of having additional hatches made up.  I would ask 
for the cost of the hatch, shipping and a small part of the cost of making the 
mold.

TeriAnn

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 15:12:14 -0800
From: cboese@co.san-bernardino.ca.us (Christopher Boese)
Subject: looking for Jim Roth (sorry for the spam)

Sorry about the spam, everyone, but I've been waiting three weeks for
another message. Jim Roth, of Los Alamos County NM, please e-mail me again.
Messages from AOL users don't show up with a return address.

Christopher Boese
County of San Bernardino, California
Information Services, Information Systems Security Office

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Date: 16 Nov 95 18:59:50 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: London LR Dealers

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 02:55:08 -0500
Subject:        The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

> Several people wanted addresses of LR dealers in London, here are a few
...

May I add 'Autopost' Ltd., Unit 21, Zennor Road Trade Est., Balham,
London SW12 0PS, tel.0181-675 4022, fax 0181-673 4287.
They also sell 'other' 4X4 parts, but mainly Land/Range Rover.

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 19:30:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Current leakage problem

Owen Evan's Rover leaks...

> out.  With battery reasonably well charged, and everything turned off,
> disconnect battery +ve cable.  Check current (if any).  About 10
> milliamps.
..........snip.........
> Any suggestions most welcome.
-

I would try disconnecting things one at a time and see when the current
drain ends. The alternator & regulator might be suspect. The wiring could be
bad, especially if you find a spot where the insulation has worn through.
The metal clips that secure the wiring loom are famous for that. Good luck
chasing sparks..

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 725-1859                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078      -USA-   1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol ("Sidney")      
              7          1972 Ser III 88 Petrol ("Fern")
           #:-}>         1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol (Parts is Parts)

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 19:17:10 -0600 (CST)
From: David Place <dplace@SIRNet.mb.ca>
Subject: Re: Help... Dry in Hawaii!

Well I don't know if you are only looking to look or to buy, but I was 
stationed on Kauai during Iniki Hurricane working for the American Red 
Cross and I saw a Ser II 88 truck model.  I remember it holding up 
traffic so I suspect the engine was wasted.  I also suspect it was from 
the south of the island since it was seen near the road going south to 
Hanneppe (sp?).  Check it out and if you go there please let me know how 
the town of Hanappe is now after the big blow.  I ran the shelter for a 
short while at the barricks.  Last newspaper article I saw on the town 
said they might not rebuild.  About 80% of the buildings were damaged or 
destroyed.  Dave VE4PN

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 17:27:25 EST
From: jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben)
Subject: Oh, no, it's gonna blow up again, RE: fuel and steaks

I'm sorry I ever posted my note about poor fuel economy in RR.
I was just looking for some technical info, such as cam swap/EFI/carb etc.
I wasn't picking a fight with any Disco owners.  I even let the 
"steak vs. burger"  post alone for the fear of taking the list on another
tangent.  (Well, since it's already out - in my view the Disco is not
a steak, more like a spinach quiche with a Perrier :)

Let's stop this before it starts, and get back to the interesting tech.
items about our Landies.

Jan
'63 109+ Hardtop
'64 Jag 3.8S
'69 Duetto ALFA
'73 GTV ALFA
'82 Ford Bronco 4x4
'87 Toyota 2x4
'90 choc. labrador

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>From research!uk.stratus.com!LRO-Owner Thu Nov 16 15:46:28 1995
	id AA09854; Thu, 16 Nov 95 15:46:27 EST
Posted-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 12:15:17 PST
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 12:15:17 PST
From: "BREAKFIELD ERNEST" <breakfield.ernest@smtpgateway.centigram.com>
Precedence: 	bulk
Errors-To: LRO-Owner@uk.stratus.com
X-To: Land-Rover-Owner@uk.stratus.com, jcwhite3@well.com (John C. White, III)
Subject: Re[2]: RR fuel economy - why so bad?
X-Edited-By: LRO-Lite
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Status: RO

To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

        IF i were to eat steak OR hamburgers, i'd always prefer a 
     dependable fair-to-good quality burger than a steak of questionable 
     quality! (few things piss me off more than something that doesn't live 
     up to it's own supposedly high standard.) but i certainly wouldn't pay 
     more for the steak JUST BECAUSE IT WAS A STEAK... especially 
     considering the output/effectiveness of each; they both turn into the 
     same thing anyway... how much do you want to spend on THAT?
     
        i've owned English, and may yet again someday; so i sympathize with 
     you, applaud your guys' efforts to keep 'em running, and even respect 
     your right to defend the poor fuel economy of the vehicles you've 
     chosen to spend so much of your (presumably hard-earned) dollars on! 
     just don't try to argue it with me on the basis of practicality... 
     admit it's a thing of passion, and i'll give you all the leeway you 
     want to pursue it on those grounds!
     
     in another message, John C. White, III writes:
     "Screwed up electrical systems have been part of English cars', er, 
     charm since I can remember being aware of English cars.  What I also 
     remember hearing was that the first thing you do with English cars is 
     rip out the #@$%! Lucas electrical system and put in Bosch."
        [encouraging words, eh? sounds like you knew this going in; i'm 
     sorry, you should have known.]
     (signed)
     John
     '95 Discovery with problems 1 and 4 (but the left rear directional) 
     Nevertheless, I still like my Rover and don't have any buyer's 
     remorse.
        [too late now, eh?! i'll be curious to hear how you feel about it 
     when you've got another 40K on the clock, a few dozen ski trips, and a 
     couple of weeks in the desert sans tarmac!]
     
        good luck! (i hope you don't need it, but i'll pull you out anyway, 
     waving or not!)
                                                         ciaou for now,
                                                                e

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From: LANROVEFN@aol.com
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 20:35:18 -0500
Subject: Land Rover Discovery Models

Recently, David @ Dental.Stat.Com wrote inquiring about scale models of the
Discovery.  I have found a few. Three pewter models are available, one is of
the CamelTrophy version.  Britains ha s a rather crummy looking 1/32 scale.
 Hart models have a few 1/43 scale that I have seen only by photo.  I would
like to see Tamiya or Revell of Germany release a 1/24 or 1/16 version of the
Disco in expedition trim.  Anyone hear of any plans, I would like to know of
any new releases of Land Rover scale models.  
Cheers, Mike Schmidt
94 White Disco

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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 95 02:09:55 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: Series land rover headliners

If you are having trouble finding a good replacement headliner or can't clean 
or repair your headliner. I have found a good source in the UK to replace 
your headliner. 

BJ Acoustics in the UK (0161-627-0873) has a great light grey coloured 
polyester liner. They provides swatches if your curious. 

Cost about $4.50 per metre.

Mark

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 18:12:50 -0800 (PST)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: Help with RR Model Year Upgrades

On Thu, 16 Nov 1995 CALLanyVEG@aol.com wrote:

> i posted a similar question a while back with no response.  Specifically i
> was looking for feedback on the reliability of the ABS system in later model
> RR's.  I  too am searching for a newer RR with the 3.9 and (?)ABS.

Re the reliability I haven't much info but one dealer mechanic told me 
that the ABS will eventually cost you money. Also Mike Green at WCB told 
me the early 1990's had teething problems with wheel alignment or 
something due to ABS that had to be fixed by shims. I didn't completely 
understand -- but anyway the problem was fixed on the later ones. The 
local dealer parts guy told me of his friend with a Jeep Grand Cherokee 
with ABS who had to spend about $2,500 on it for a whole new system.

For whatever it's worth -- probably like any new technology the bugs had 
to be ironed out -- maybe they are by now.

Cheers

John

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 20:22:56 -0800 (PST)
From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Help... Dry in Hawaii!

On Thu, 16 Nov 1995, David Place wrote:

> Well I don't know if you are only looking to look or to buy, but I was 
> stationed on Kauai during Iniki Hurricane working for the American Red 
> Cross and I saw a Ser II 88 truck model.  

Hi Dave,

Was this, by any chance, a burnished 88?  There was a guy from Hawaii, I 
think it was Kauai, at the 1994 All British Field Meet in Portland, 
Oregon.  He'd been touring the mainland for a year or so and was planning 
on returning home soon after the Meet.  I don't think he was 
pre-registered since I don't see any LR owner from Hawaii in the Meet 
catalogue, but somebody who was there might remember his name and home 
island.

Walt Swain

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 20:17:28 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: LR in eurodisney pics?

Someone went to EuroDisney and photo'd some vehicles built on a LR chassis 
(the body of which is on display elsewhere in the park).  We have discussed 
putting the pictures up on my web page, but I didn't have access to a scanner 
at the time.  I do now, so whoever it was, if you want to get in touch with 
me again, I can scan them and put them up.  Sorry for losing your address!

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 21:21:41 -0800
From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: RR fuel economy - why so bad?

Oh, Ernie, didn't your mother teach you that it's not nice to eavesdrop?
You'll probably go back to -- what was it you drive?  A Jeep? -- the Jeep
list and tell them all what dunderheads those Land Rover guys are,
especially that John White guy.  Yep, if only I had your clarity of thought
and reason, I wouldn't make such foolish decisions.  How fortunate you are.

Let's see here...

On Fri, 10 Nov 95 17:42:35 PST you wrote:

"        now i don't feel so bad about having to slog around in the Jeep! 
     190 hp, 230 ft/lbs... and 16-23 mpg!"

Then on Wed, 15 Nov 95 12:47:50 PST you wrote, with a bit of deleting on my
part (my response follows it):

"        i've got over 40k on the odo now at about 1.5 years, and have quit 
     compiling the list of things wrong with the same amount of 
     faithfulness i originally started with; maybe after having enough 
     things go wrong i've gained a higher tolerance for things 
     'not-as-they-should-be', or i'm just tired of trying to keep up, but 
     the list isn't as up-to-date as it might be. what follows is a partial 
     list:
     
     - Pull (Tires? Alignment shim?)
        upon delivery, the vehicle pulled to the left under sever braking. 
     ... the original tires (Goodyear Wrangler Radials, 225/75/15.) had to be 
     'juggled' constantly to keep it tracking straight. ...the best advice i 
     can give anyone considering these tires is DON'T.
     
     - Horn
        failed twice. replace the first time without argument under 
     warranty; the second time refused due to the mechanic noting that it 
     was "packed with mud".
     
     - A/C Howl
        a banshees howl that began when the compressor kicked in; 3 
     separate attempts to resolve this; the first 2 replacing parts, the 
     last by reducing the pressure between the high and low pressure side 
     (effectively reducing the efficiency of the entire A/C system, but 
     eliminating the howl!) semi-repaired under warranty.
     
     - A/C Leak
        near the refill valve, fast enough to blister the paint near the 
     valve. repaired under warranty.
     
     - Transmission leak (3 Times)
        twice ... due to the fact the gaskets aren't used; instead 
     the assembly is done with a RTV-like goop...repaired 
     under warranty.
     
     - Front Differential leak (2 Times)
        see above.
     
     - Headlight `Flasher' (fuse)
        ok, so i put some motorcycle H4's in with a slightly higher current 
     draw; my fault.
     
     - Paint; thin spots, foaming
        electrostatic painting on a fiberglass hatch door? anybody else see 
     a problem with this? aside from this, thin spots on drip rails, 
     bubble, etc.
     
     - Door handle pulling off, inside Right Front (2 Times)
        ...repaired under warranty, only to have it repeat.
     
     - Brake Line rattle (Brake Line routed against firewall)
        dumb assembly; the damn thing rattled (more than usual!) when the 
     door were closed, and at certain idle conditions.
     
     - Exhaust leak (Loose bracket)
        unforgivable! the exhaust may well have fallen off, if i wasn't 
     poisoned first, had i not traced down what i thought sounded like an 
     air leak.
     
          - Fog Light leak
        the stock lamps...leak, as well as feeble.
     
     - Loose Battery Bracket
        like, the battery falling over when i gave it a wiggle the day i 
     drove it home? not clamped down AT ALL.
     
     - Stereo Volume/Balance knob Dirty/Noisy
        the switch in the factory cassette deck isn't fit for Hasbro! 
     requiring a liberal dose of contact cleaner regularly since new. not 
     such an issue these days as it seems the antennae cable is falling off 
     of the back of the stereo intermittently rendering me radioless 
     anyway.
     
     - Rear "Locking" Differential not locking! (One rear wheel will spin 
     while the other doesn't)
        ... a couple of situations have placed me with contact points only at 
     diagonal wheels, i don't always get the lockup of the rear i'd expect.
     
     - Rear Interior light switch inoperative
        another intermittent thing, never duplicated my the dealer, of 
     course.
     
     - Oil leaking onto motor on long uphill climbs (near rear of motor)
        not an apparent problem yet, but not comforting either!
     
     - Oil Pressure Gauge erratic
        possibly a problem with the sender unit (i hope!), the gauge needle 
     swings (intermittently, of course,) right up to the high end of the 
     dial. sometimes remedied, by a frisky romp on the throttle (enough to 
     cause downshift), especially frustrating because this is a gauge i 
     hope to have faith in!"

Looks like things are not as tidy in Jeepsville as one would hope, but look
at the gas mileage you're getting!

Cheers!
John
'95 Discovery - 12,000 miles
  Problems so far:
     1.  Squeaky steering wheel/column until vehicle warmed up.
     2.  Intermittent failure of left rear directional.  No discernable 
         pattern.  Happens for about 10-20 miles of city driving, then 
         clears up.
     3.  Jammed front sunroof.  (Repaired under warranty at 9,500 miles)

At 12:15 16.11.95 PST, BREAKFIELD ERNEST wrote:
>        IF i were to eat steak OR hamburgers, i'd always prefer a 
>     dependable fair-to-good quality burger than a steak of questionable 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 37 lines)]
>                                                         ciaou for now,
>                                                                e

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From: RICKCRIDER@aol.com
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 01:17:54 -0500
Subject: Re: Current leakage problem (&cure)

It has been mentioned that:

>Owen Evan's Rover leaks...

.......electrical current that is.

When doing all the underneath stuff on an Alfa Romeo Giulietta Spider  (which
incidentally has Luca wiring and accessories..)  I installed a simple 'master
shut-off switch'.....a large heavy duty, high amperage two position switch
with a large L shaped handle.   It was quite simple on the Alfa.....the
battery is in the trunk and the main lead to the engine bay passes right
along under the passenger area.   I installed it so that the On/Off lever
protrudes just behind the passenger seat.  Concealed, yet I can reach it
easily from the drivers position.

These are commonly available from auto parts jobbers (NAPA, etc..),  farm and
garden suppliers and racing equipment vendors.   Actually several varieties
all ranging about $20-$40 US.

Needs to be inline with and very close to the battery (or at least with no
lead outs prior to the switch).   One flick of the switch effectively
isolates the battery completely,  and shuts *everything* down.    Good theft
and fire protection also.   (Not that a Lucas harness is likely to short and
burn.)

Be sure to use quality cable ends where the spliced cable bolts to the
switch, and solder the fittings thoroughly.

I haven't done this on the Rovers yet but,  considering the location of the
battery,  there are several places to locate it.   Concealed under the
wheelwell, or, un-concealed right out front on the 'breakfast' panel.

Cordially:
Rick Crider  KD4FXA
Monroe NC
66  Slla  109"      ........and for sale.......
73  Slll   88"
88  Range  Rover

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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 08:33:51 +0001
From: wassili@AMC.UVA.NL (Roy Wassili)
Subject: Re: Ice Driving

Mike,

I suppose there is a difference driving on ice with and without spiked
tires. I also suppose that without spikes you'll have to use the diff.,
because if one wheel start spinning all others will loose traction, and as I
understood well from earlier threads on diffs the center diff can't stand
high speed differences  from both axles for a long time. But, what would
anyone do when driving with spikes? Do you have to lock the center diff or
not? I got myself confused now %-}

LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR
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      |   _____/|__||   Roy Wassili,<wassili@amc.uva.nl>
      |  /(-8|  \   |   Avalon Green '95 Discovery,
  ____|_/[]__|__\___|#  scarved for live
 |] __=|     |  __  |#
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From: a-robw@microsoft.com
Subject: RE: Ice Driving (and chains)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 17:17:40 -0800

Assuming you can find and fit chains to a Discovery. I would assume you 
would put them on the rear wheels if you are only going to put them on two 
tires, anyway.  In such a case, It seems like you would need to lock the 
center-diff. It would seem that on ice, with the diff unlocked, only the 
front/no-traction tires would spin (because of the differential effect) and 
the tires w/ chains  (and traction) would remain fixed. No?

With chains on all four tires, it seems you could, and perhaps prefer to, 
 go with the diff unlocked to prevent driveline bind-up and front-end creep 
in turns. Since all 4 tires would have "equal" traction.

On Ice w/ no chains or studs (and no lockers), if the center diff is 
unlocked, you would have 1 spinning tire, with the center diff locked you 
would have 2 (one in front, one in back). The latter would seem to be 
preferable, of the two anyway.

Just a guess, anyway.

-- Bob W.
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From: 	Mike Rooth[SMTP:M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk]
Sent: 	Thursday, November 16, 1995 8:15 AM
Subject: 	Ice Driving

To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

A question for those knowledgeable about these things....
When driving on ice(not snow,ice) would you engage diff
lock or not.And why.I will allow hard packed slippery
snow to count as ice.
A colleague here is having a difference of opinion with
a mate(at least he *was* a mate)who drives a Range Rover.
FWIW I dont think I would engage the diff lock,I think
it would prejudice manouevrability,but YMMV.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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