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Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 18:05:30 +0900
From: yoshio@osak.ac.jp, agc03255@niftyserv.or.jp, agc03895@niftyserv.or.jp,
Subject: AOIS Approved News Release:  World's *Cheapest* Way to get USA Magazine

-----> NOTE:   Please first read my note which appears below the "Request
for more info Form."  Then, to get more info, just fill out the "Request
for More Info" form completely and email it back to the company.  To make
it easier for you to reply, I have put their address in the "Reply-To"
field, which means you can just use your email software to reply to this
message in order to get that address to pop-up in your "To:" field. <-----

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REQUEST FOR MORE INFO:  please return *only* this section only via
internet email to:

FREE-magazine-subscription-offer@0.5.5.1.7.6.9.8.1.7.1.tpc.int

Sorry, but incomplete forms *will not* be acknowledged.  If you do not
have an email address, or access to one, they will not be able to help you
until you do have one.  If you saw this message, then you should have one.  :)

Name:
Internet email address:
Smail home address:
City-State-Zip:
Country:
Work Tel. #:
Work Fax #:
Home Tel. #:
Home Fax #:

How did you hear about us (name of person who referred you or the area of
the internet that you saw us mentioned in):  Referral by  Yoshio Koseki.
111195-l

Name of USA mags you currently get on the newstand or in the store:

Name of USA mags you currently get on the newstand or in the store:

Name of USA mags you currently get on a subscription basis, through the mail:

Name of USA mags you would like price quotes on when we call you:

Catalogue format desired (list "1," "2," "3" or "4"):

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Catalogue Options:
1.  19-Part email- can be read by EVERYONE (~525 K Total).
2.  For more advanced computer users:  attached text file ~525K - you
     must know how to download an attached text file and then be able to
     open it with your word processor.  If in doubt, don't ask for this
     version.  This isn't for internet *newbies.* Better to order option 1
     and spend a few minutes pasting them into one whole text document
     with your word processor, than to waste hours trying to figure how
     to deal with this option.
3.  For more advanced Macintosh computer users: compressed attached
     text file, created with a Stuffit(tm) self-extracting archive (.sea),
      ~133K.  Can be decompressed by any Macintosh computer user; no
     special expansion software or knowledge of Stuffit (tm) needed.  You
     just double-click on the file icon and it automatically expands
     (unstuffs). This is for more advanced mac computer users only, as
     you still have to know how to deal with an attached file.  It will cut
     your download time by 75%.   Expands out to the same ~525K file in
     option #2.  See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be
     able to do.
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     Stuffit(tm),  ~114K.  Can be decompressed by any computer user who
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     This is for more advanced computer users only and will cut your
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     #2.  See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be able to do.

Hi fellow 'netters,

My name is Yoshio Koseki and I recently started using a magazine
subscription club in the USA that has a FREE 1 yr. magazine subscription
deal with your first paid order- and I have been very pleased with them.
They have over 1,500 different USA titles that they can ship to any country
on a subscription basis.   As for computer magazines from the USA, they
more of a selection than I ever knew even existed.  They have magazines for
most every area of interest in their list of 1,500 titles.

Within the USA, for their USA members, they are cheaper than all their
competitors and even the publishers themselves.  This is their price
guarantee.

Overseas, on the average, they are generally around one-fourth to one-half
of what the newstands overseas charge locally for USA magazines.  On some
titles they are as little as one-tenth of what the newstands charge.  They
feel that mgazines should not be a luxury overseas.   In the USA, people
buy magazines and then toss them after reading them for just a few minutes
or hours.  They are so cheap in the USA!   Well, this company would like to
make it the same way for their overseas members.  They are also cheaper
than all their competitors in the USA and overseas, including the
publishers themselves!   This is their price guarantee.  Around one-half
their business comes from overseas, so they are very patient with new
members who only speak limited English as a 2nd language.

Their prices are so cheap because they deal direct with each publisher and
cut-out all the middlemen.

They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and
juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above.  It has lists of
all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by
categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that
they sell.

Please do not email me as I am just a happy customer and a *busy* student.
I don't have time to even complete my thesis in time, let alone run my
part-time software business!  Please fill out the below form and email to
them at:

FREE-magazine-subscription-offer@0.5.5.1.7.6.9.8.1.7.1.tpc.int

*NOTE:   to make it easier for you to reply, I have put their address in
the "Reply-To" field, which means you can just use your email software to
reply to this message in order to get that address to pop-up in your "To:"
field.*

They guarantee to beat all their competitors' prices. Sometimes they are
less than half of the next best deal I have been able to find and other
times, just a little cheaper - but I have never found a lower rate yet.
They assured me that if I ever do, they will beat it.

They have been very helpful and helped me change my address from the USA to
Finland and then back again when I moved last month.  They are very
knowledgeable about addressing mags worldwide.

They have a deal where you can get a free 1 yr. sub to a new magazine from
a special list of over 300 popular titles published in the USA.   They will
give you this free 1 yr. sub when you place your first paid order with them
to a renewal or new subscription to any of the over 1,500 different popular
USA titles they sell.

They can arrange delivery to virtually any country and I think they have
clients in around 35 or 36 countries now.  Outside the USA there is a
charge for foreign postage and handling (on both paid and freebie subs)
that varies from magazine to magazine.  I have found their staff to be very
friendly and courteous.  They even helped me with an address change when I
moved from one country to another.

The owner thinks of his service as a "club" and his clients as "members"

automatically makes you a member) and he is real picky about who he accepts
as a new member.   When he sets you up as a new member, he himself calls
you personally on the phone to explain how he works his deal, or sometimes
he has one of his assistants call.  He is kind of quirky sometimes - he
insists on setting up new members by phone so he can say hi to everyone (I
sure wouldn't want to have his phone bills!),  but you can place future
orders (after your first order) via E-mail.

He has some really friendly young ladies working for him, who seem to know
just as much as he does about this magazine stuff.  If you live overseas,
he will even call you there, as long as you are interested, but I think he
still makes all his overseas calls on the weekends, I guess cause the long
distance rates are cheaper then.

He only likes to take new members from referrals from satisfied existing
members and he does virtually no advertising.  When I got set-up, they had
a 2-3 week waiting list for new members to be called back so that they
could join up. (Once you are an existing member, they help you immediately
when you call. )  I think they are able to get back to prospective new
members  the same day or within a few days now, as they have increased
their staff.  I am not sure about this.........but if you email the above
form to them, that is the way to get started!

They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and
juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above.  It has lists of
all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by
categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that
they sell.

They then send you email  that outlines how his club works and the list of
free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of what
he sells;  and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly,
no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally and
answer all your questions.

Once you get in, you'll love them. I do.

Sincerely,

Yoshio Koseki

ps.  please forward a copy of this message to all your friends on the net
who you think might be interested in it!  It is a great deal!  If you join
and then they join after you, you will earn a free 1 yr. subscription for
each new person you get to join after you join!   If you exceed 25
referrals, they let you use them to give away as gifts, for Christmas,
Chanukah or any other occasion.  Please be kind enough to mention my name
when you join.   I will then get a free magazine for a year for referring
you.
Thank you.

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From: Brian Neill Tiedemann <s914440@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: trivia...
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 21:42:21 +1100 (EDT)

Frank,
I am unspeakably offended.... how could you confuse me with Dixon???

Brian.

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Date: 11 Nov 95 20:31:55 EST
From: "William L. Leacock" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Subject: Welcome Home

 Majordomo Bill 
 Thanks for all the god work you did with the Digest  whilst on holiday in in
the Land Rover Kingdom. Time flies when you are having fun.
  Welcome back to the land of the free and the home of the brave, hope you don't
get Landy withdrawal symptoms too badly, when it gets bad you can always come
and look at mine. and maybe eeven Trevors pair !!

 Regards  Bill.   Limey in exile.

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Series III/ Diesel Questions
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 95 9:24:56 GMT

Idle speed on the 2.25 diesel can be altered either by moving
the hand throttle,or altering the idling stop screw on the
distributor pump.
Cheers
Mike Rooth
PS Dont remember an issue of LRO that detailed FWH fitting.
I think new ones come with full fitting destructions.

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From: Tom Stevenson <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Disco woes
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:57:58 +0000 (GMT)

Centre differential warning light:
As I understand it, the centre diff lock warning light only illuminates
with the action of the diff lock itself and not with the gearlever.
Thus, if you have moved the lever across but there has been no
differential slippage between front and rear axles, then the diff lock
will not yet be engaged, and the light will not be lit. Conversely, the
diff will remain locked and the light lit once you move the lever back
again until there is relative movement between the two axles and the
diff lock disengages.
-- 
Tom Stevenson: gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk
University Marine Biological Station, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland
Tel:(01475) 530581  Fax:(01475) 530601

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From: a-robw@microsoft.com
Subject: RE: Dual Airbags/'96 Discovery/Kids
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 12:19:24 -0800

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From: David Dodell <david@warp.stat.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 21:23:19 MST
Subject: Where to mount Ham / Cell Antenna on 96 Discovery?

I just bought a new Discovery and having problems fiquring out where to  
mount some ham radio and cell phone antennas.

It appears that I'll use a glass mount antenna for the cell phone on  
the right rear lower window since the upper window will not give me  
enough clearance in my garage <sigh>

For the ham antenna, I was thinking about using an angle bracket mount  
from Larsen on the driver's side front hood area, just opposite from  
the am/fm antenna.  However, this mount acutally leans out a little and  
isn't flush, and I'm concerned that this will be a potential vandal  
problem (bend the antenna)

SO what is everyone else doing?

One other note, how do you get on the list format of this mailing list,  
I've been sending requests to majordomo@land-rover.team.net with the  
line subscribe lro-list discovery@stat.com without any luck.

David WB7TPY

---
Internet: david@warp.stat.com
FAX     : +1-602-451-6135
WWW     : http://www.stat.com/~david

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 18:49:33 -0500
Subject: No Mail

I haven't received any lro-owner messages since 8:11 am EST yesterday,
11/11/95. Hopefully the problem is not with aol.com, and someone is probably
aware of the problem, but this is to let you know. 

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 11:55:34 +0001
From: wassili@AMC.UVA.NL (Roy Wassili)
Subject: Mail in 2-fold or 3-fold. Why?

Lately I do receive some mailings in two-fold or even worse, in three-fold :-(
Are there any list-members who also do suffer from this problem? Does anyone
know the reason for this malfunction? Might it be that my network is also
Lucas-wired?
 Or are there just some members with tremor on there SEND-MAIL-ONLY-ONCE-FINGER?

LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR
                ____
      |   _____/|__||   Roy Wassili,<wassili@amc.uva.nl>
      |  /(-8|  \   |   Avalon Green '95 Dicovery,
  ____|_/[]__|__\___|#  scarved for live
 |] __=|     |  __  |#
[|_/  \|_____|_/  \_|]
  ( o )        ( o )

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 20:53:49 +1300
From: "Kerry Jones ext 4717 (NOTE NEW EXTENSION NUMBER)"
Subject: Series III Diesel - What engine Oil?

Hi,
    More questions from this guy I met on the side of the road the other night

What engine oils are people out there using in their Series III diesels?

Thanks Kerry.

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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 20:19:20 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Blocked rear brake November 6, 1995

First of all thanks to everybody who sent advice about my rear brake problem=

that I posted a week ago.  Step-by-step procedure follows:

Last sunday tried to drive my 1958 107 in SI Station Wagon out of basement=

garage backwards, up a 3-in-1 ramp.  Could not make it in low rear.  Car
would not roll down ramp, either.  Dragged car into garage in low first.
Judging by skidmarks I thought right-hand rear wheel had been blocked. 
Asked for advice here.  Called my L/R guru.  Got lots of advice.

This sunday tried to drive out of garage again, hoping that the problem had=

gone away during the week.  It had not.  However, found out it was right
hand front wheel that did not move.

Put car into low first, engaged hand brake.  Loosened wheel nuts.
*Tip:*  If wheel nuts can not be loosened by using the crossbrace, rest end=

of crossbrace on jack or axle stand and step on levers.  If your breakfast=

was sufficiently hearty, nuts should move.

Jacked up front axle.  Put two axle stands under frame.  Axle sagged again=

after jack was removed, barely providing enough clearance for wheel removal.
*Question:*  When jack goes under bottom plate for spring, where does the
axle stand go?  And if the jack goes under the frame, at least mine will not=

lift the axle sufficiently for an axle stand.  Any tricks?

Undid all the nuts from wheel studs.  One stud came out with the nut. 
Removed wheel.
*Question:* Any easy way to get the stud and the nut separated?  I assume
having a narrow nut and counter-nut on the free end of the stud would help. =

Anything easier?

The three set screws that hold the drum to the hub looked extremely scarred,=

but came out without a problem.  Will be replaced later (on all four=
 wheels).

Slackened off the brake drum adjusters - two of them on front wheels, behind=

brake anchor plate, 3/4 in socket, turn counterclockwise to slacken.  On the=

right hand front one sits at 2 o clock, the other at 8 o clock looking at
the brake drum.

Blocked wheels on other side, kept handbrake pulled, shifted into neutral
(could have gone to high first).  This should let the front wheel turn
freely.  Tried to turn brake drum with help from a lever.  Moved very
sluggishly, then got stuck after not quite one turn.  Turned drum in
opposite direction, same thing happened.

Pulled off brake drum by tapping it patiently on the protruding outer edge=

with a heavy plastic mallet.  Took some time, but came off in one piece.

No damage to inside of drum or brake shoes apparent.  A little oil over
lower brake cylinder.  Tried turning the remains of the wheel.  Turned
freely, however, lots of drag from the front drivetrain.  Free wheeling hubs=

will be mounted soon!

Measured distance from outer surface of brake shoe to edge of brake anchor=

plate.  Distance the same all the way for rear shoe, front shoe too close=
 below.

Wedged brake pedal down using crossbrace (having this done by a helper is
much to be preferred).  Both cylinders work, both shoes move out.  Removed=

crossbrace, shoes returned to original position.

Could not move front shoe upwards.  Seems there is a little notch in end of=

shoe that connects with the cylinder (not the piston end).  This apparently=

holds shoe in position by sitting on a small ridge in cylinder.  Very, very=

gingerly put pressure on lower end of shoe with hydraulic jack.  Shoe
eventually moved upwards, snapped into place.

Put brake drum back on.  Put some oil on set screws, fastened them.  Banged=

on brake drum with soft mallet to settle it into place, fastened set screws=

some more.  Banged some more, fastened some more.  Drum turns freely now.

Put wheel back on.  Put a little oil on studs. Fastened nuts.

Put jack under front axle, raised it, removed axle stands, lowered front
axle.  Fastened nuts some more.

Went on a test drive.  Tested brakes on road with nobody around.  They stop=

the car and do not pull to one side.  Drove for a few km/miles and checked=

front wheel.  Does not feel hot.  Fastened nuts some more.  Drove back to
garage, parked, fastened nuts some more.  Went home to write this report.

If you have followed me that far, let me know whether this is of any
interest to anybody.  Am I wasting everybody else=B4s time, not just my own?=
 
Still hope to get some tips as to my questions.  Thanks again.

Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W

P.S.:  The saga is not quite complete.  When I drove up the ramp in low
reverse, the Green Monster could not make it.  I finally managed to make it=

to the street by using the handbrake, racing the engine and maltreating the=

clutch.  Major engine problem ahead, I thought, I should have listened to
the best of all women who always told me not to get this worthless piece of=

junk (her words).  I decided to check the oil since the oil pressure had
been pretty low when the engine was idling with the car hanging head-down on=

the ramp.  When I opened the hood, I saw a disconnected plug shoe.  Stuck it=

back on, and the engine ran much smoother, funny enough. Pretty good car,
after all.

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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 07:25:59 -0800
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: 109 Fuel Tank Replacement

Well the day of reckoning has arrived and Mathilda (1965 109 SIIA SW) 
needs a new fuel tank :(

Does anyone know if the 110 SW tanks will mount directly into the 109 SW 
mounts?

Does anyone know if there are larger than stock (12 gal) tanks available 
for the 109 SW?  What about galvanized aftermarket units?

Thanks for you input in advance.

Cheers,

Jeremy

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: Consumer Reports Ratings on 1995 Land Rover Discovery
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 95 6:54:00 PST

The disco is a heavy, slow off road truck. It will carry more than
most pickups, and tow 7700 lbs. It is British. 
Weight and tires have the most impact on stopping distances.
Landrovers view on off-road driving is that a tall skinny tire
works well. This has an effect on stopping. If you want a real test
have all the vehicles pull a non-braked trailer with equal gvw down
a long steep incline and see which braking system fails.
I can look at the 4 brake cylinders per caliper in the front (two per
caliper in the back), 4 wheel disks, 2500psi assisted brakes,
with three seperate systems, and make my choice.

If you want quick stopping time, quick acceleration etc...
by what consumer what ever recommends.

Russ Burns
91 R-Rover
94 D-90

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 31 lines)]
> Sincerely,
> Mark Novey
> Admit1Fest@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 07:30:17 -0800
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Fuel Sender Units pos. vs. neg.

I'm going to be converting a positive ground system to negative ground 
and am also currently replacing the fuel tank.  In the process of doing 
this I though I might "update" the fuel sender.  

Does replacing the pos. earth sender with a neg. earth sender pose any 
problems?  I can't think why it should, and I recall a few posts about 
pos to neg. conversions leading to reversal in the fuel guage.  Surely 
replacing the sender polarity type will cure this?

Thanks again,

Jeremy

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From: Wes Newman <newmanpp@corcomsv.corcom.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 00:46:00 AST
Subject: 109 and 88 Differentials

I had the differential wheel and pinion gears go out in my 109.  I have a Rover  
Type differential and can get a hold of a differential from a Land Rover 88.   
Are the 109 and 88 differentials interchangable?

____________________________________________________________
Wes 
Anchorage, Alaska

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From: RICKCRIDER@aol.com
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 04:08:22 -0500
Subject: C'mon folks, buy a Sun Visor.

OK all you faithful Rover owners.......    especially U.S. East
Coasters.......

I've commited myself to buying one of the aluminum and galvanized exterior
sun visors from the Rover Owners Association of Virginia.

Apparently Sandy needs about four (?) more orders for a minimum order.

Sandy states that they are exact duplicates of the original, but even better.
  Galvanized brackets and all.    $70.00 each,  or $60 to ROAV Club members.

You all know you want one now,  so go ahead and cough up the $$ and commit to
one.

Thanks......
Rick Crider   KD4FXA
Monroe  NC
66  Slla  109"       Hugo       .........and for sale.......
73  Slll    88"        Jesse
88  Range  Rover       .......my daily sloth......

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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 18:27:58 +1100 (EST)
From: Lloyd Allison <lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au>
Subject: Rover cycle

I actually have a tiny picture of the 19th century cycle
at tildeLand-Rover on the Rover co. history page.

There have been 2WD motorcycles - hydraulic motors on
an Australian one of about a decade ago.

Lloyd

The digester seemed to swallow the following

   F rom jurixsys@alaska.net  Fri Nov 10 18:08:46 1995
   F rom: jurixsys@alaska.net (J Ron Sutcliffe)
   S ubject: Re:  Defender 110

   More info on the elusive Grey Market 110's.  We suspect they are in Canada.
   I had not heard any reply to my FAX so I called the "Pacific Rim Rovers" in
   Juneau Alaska.  Last I heard they were getting Department of Transportation
   and Environmental Protection Agency approval to import the 110s.  Alas,
   they have confessed to me that effort failed.  I am, however, an attorney
   and with my trusted friend Sherman (Defender 90 owner) we will get to the
   bottom of this.  Sherman is travelling to Juneau for the winter and will go
   undercover to obtain info.  I have already figured out that I may be able to
   import grey market vehicles into Alaska without EPA approval if I get a
   special Alaska State DEC waiver.  I then have a set period of time to bring
   them into compliance with EPA regulations.   Which may well be impossible. 
   I'll keep you informed.

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From: Sekerere@aol.com
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 01:44:03 -0500
Subject: Range Rover?Discovery?

Well with a second child on its way my wife and i are in the process of
evaluating our vehicles. Presently we have a Mazda sedan, Mazda Navajo
(Explorer under different name) and the Beast (1966 Series IIA 88"). We are
contemplating getting rid of the Navajo due to the fact that we have had
continual problems with it since we bought it-transmission went out, power
locks went out, power windows went out etc etc-thank goodness most of it was
in warranty, but we aren't sure that it isn't going to nickel and dime us to
death. We plan to keep the m\sedan for another ten years, the Beast is here
to stay, and we would like another vehicle that would replace the Navajo, be
able to do some 4wheeling, and take the roads to my land in Northern AZ at
anytime of the year, and also be a long distance vehicle which is safe for
the family. We have looked at a number of vehicles, and in the process looked
at Discoveries (1996 and 1995), and a used Range Rover (1991) at the
Scottsdale dealership. Now I am looking for some sage words from the net on
this matter. The 1991 RR looks good, but it has 89000 miles on the clock.
They want $21grand for it-is it worth it-what repairs am I looking at
immediately (next 12-24 months). The new Discovery(sans sunroof, and all the
bells and whistles) is about $29900. What are the pros and cons apart from
new, warranty (the RR has a 12 month warranty), miles on clock???? Any help
would be appreciated. Thanks folks.

Chris Whitehead
1966 88" Series IIA "The Anti-Christ" (Beast for short)

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Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 21:24:00 -0800
From: jcwhite3@well.com (John C. White, III)
Subject: Re: RR fuel economy - why so bad?

Well, you could also say that steak costs a lot more than MacDonald's
hamburgers, and if the idea is just to keep from starving, steak isn't worth
the money.  But, which one would you rather have?

Cheers!
John
'95 Discovery, Steak

At 17:42 10.11.95 PST, BREAKFIELD ERNEST wrote:
>To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
>        now i don't feel so bad about having to slog around in the Jeep! 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>     190 hp, 230 ft/lbs... and 16-23 mpg!
>______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________
>> Subject: RR fuel economy - why so bad?
>> Author:  jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben) at smtpgateway
>	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 19 lines)]
>> Otto cycle is the same for US and UK vehicles, must be the creature
comforts on 
>> the RR: AC/stereo/cell-phone ?  (trolling... trolling...)
>> Author:  jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben) at smtpgateway
>	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 19 lines)]

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Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 21:23:48 -0800
From: jcwhite3@well.com (John C. White, III)
Subject: Re: Disco Woes

In general I agree with you, Duncan, but as long as the vehicle is on
warranty I see nothing wrong with whinging to the dealer about getting these
things fixed.  This provides valuable feedback to LRNA and, I would hope,
Solihull (and Munich?) on areas that need better quality control.  

If *YOU* reread this list you will see that 5 out of the 6 problems are
electrical.  Screwed up electrical systems have been part of English cars',
er, charm since I can remember being aware of English cars.  What I also
remember hearing was that the first thing you do with English cars is rip
out the #@$%! Lucas electrical system and put in Bosch.  If this is true,
maybe the best thing that BMW could do for Land Rover is Germanize the
electrical system.

Cheers!
John
'95 Discovery with problems 1 and 4 (but the left rear directional)
Nevertheless, I still like my Rover and don't have any buyer's remorse.
San Francisco, California

At 16:43 10.11.95 -0500, Duncan Brown wrote:
>To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 63 lines)]
>    Duncan, trying not to sound like a holier-than-thou 1960 SII owner,
>    just talking common sense.

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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 15:57:58 -1000
From: Alan Smedley <alans@mpx.com.au>
Subject: Re: RR fuel economy - why so bad?

>Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 12:10:40 -0800
>From: russ burns <burns@cisco.com>
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
>Russ Burns
>91 D-90
>94 R-ROver
 
I posted a question about fule consumption on Range Rovers a few days ago.

Comparing an '87 3.5 RR with a '92 3.9 RR I went from 400Kms per tank to
300Kms with similar load and same style of city driving.  So there has to be
more to it than just the size and shape of the vehicle.

No matter what I do I am unable to get any better than 320-325Kms around the
city.  I have had near to 600Kms on a long trip which is what I was able to
get on the '87 RR.

I am still awaiting suggestions as to how best to improve on the fuel
consumption.

------------------------------

Date: 11 Nov 95 22:36:13 EST
From: Mark Ritter <70472.1130@compuserve.com>
Subject: Disco Reliability

I,ve got just shy of 30,000 on my 94 Disco and no major problems to report. The
small itemswere a squeaking handbrake, sticking sunroof, loud starter (dealer
replaced even though it still worked fine) and a intermittant hot transmission
light (bad sensor). None of these items affected the drivabilty of the car. some
folks would say that 4 item on 30K miles is a lot, but in comparison my wifes
Lexus GS300 had DIED 3 times in 3 years necessitating a tow each time. The
dealer called it "electrical problems". My Disco may have a few rough edges but
it has aleways gotten me home. BTW it has a LOT of off-road miles on it as I am
writing a guide book to trails in the N. GA, E. TN and W. NC area. My 91 Toyota
MR2 Turbo (old car) ate through the inside edge of the rear tires in 8000 miles
because the suspension was misset at the factory, and it had a serios safety
recall. Come to think of it our Lexus had a recall item as well on the steering
(serious). All in all the Rovers doing pretty Goddamn good!

								Mark Ritter
								94 Disco
								Still happy.

------------------------------

From: jpappa01@interserv.com
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 95 18:13:05 PST
Subject: Re: 	Tired of Consumer Digest

to Mr. Novey and others expressing concern over Disco:

- Why is it a peculiarly U.S. trait that we can have one or two rotten apples 
in a bushel basket of golden delicious poison us. Is it because we have lately 
become conditioned to expect and look for the worst in every situation. No 
wonder with things like the OJ trial. Don't blame us. However...

- The Discovery has had more positive publicity garnered upon it that *ANY* 
other SUV sold in the U.S.! It won the J.D. Power survey in 1994 for best 
overall truckline. Four Wheeler of the Year for 1995 by 4-Wheeler. Best of 
what's new for Popular Science. Top Ten All Stars Automobile magazine. In 
fact, the 4-wheeler braking test determined that Disco beat the rest of the 
field by 30% and had *the best brakes* This goes on ad nauseum. 

Conclusions?

Didn't it occur that if ten reports give very similar positive and glowing 
remarks about the car and that one (the microwave oven testing magazine - yep 
- same one) says it's so bad - over all of the specialty magazines focusing 
solely on automobiles and in particular w/4-Wheeler - four wheel drives, that 
*something* is wrong? Either with the particular test vehicle? Were the pads 
o.k.? How many miles were on the tires? Was there any oil on the asphalt's 
surface. How controlled were the test parameters as far as repeatibility. How 
many braking runs were done by the other vehicles before the Discovery was 
tested? Do we ever hear these things?

Frankly, the basic problem with the CR article was (apparently) the author of 
the report. This same fellow in a different publication lambasted the 
Discovery also. To the point that he retracted part or all of the article 
after Land Rover threatened legal action on the basis of unsubstantiated test 
data!!! This is fact! So now he resurfaces at CR!

Why do we never question a bogus test article?? Why would someone get a 
legitimate (at least at my store) and objective presentation and test drive 
and then trash it all because of some journalist? One rotten apple. Yes, if 
the press is *uniformly* bad and the prospect's impression of the vehicle 
matches same. Then, one might legitimately question the validity of a product 
as a viable one. 

Does *ANYONE* build the perfect car? Nope. Do Land Rovers break? Yep. Can they 
literally last a lifetime with proper care. Absolutely. I've owned my 88 since 
1971! I never get rid of any of `em `cause they never really look like they 
need to be disposed of! 

We sell 35-40 Discoveries a month at Metro West. That's a lot of new Land 
Rovers. The vast majority of owners absolutely *love* these cars. We've 
already had repeat customers and the referrals are constant. The product is 
constantly improving and QC and reliability along with it. BMW is quite 
serious about the U.S. and its long-term future here. I'm still waiting to see 
the first Discovery across the street at the Jeep dealership. I'm still 
waiting to see the first Discovery down Rte. 9 at Natick Ford. We have had 
four Toyota Land Cruisers traded here in the past 2 months. On Discoveries! 
Not Range Rovers!

What's the point of all this. They are still real Land Rovers. They're chunks. 
Built to last. Things break. But LR is serious here! Most of the woes thread 
concerns (c`mon - let's be objective) dinky stuff. Squeaks. Funky didly stuff. 
I don't see a whole lot about major component failure. Never a posting about 
poor performance off road. Why do most of us on this digest buy Land Rovers? 
To go to the store? Not. 

I humbly suggest that you go drive the product. Listen to the presentation 
objectively. Consider the test reports that are out there. *CONSIDER THE 
SOURCE(S)* And in the final analysis. Go with your gut. Why must someone tell 
you what's good? Sheesh. You be the judge. In the end, the customer always is. 
The journalists just move on to the next trend. As was pointed out in a 
distant past flame war in this digest, a quick shot from the keyboard can do 
lotsa damage. 

Discovery is a superb four wheel drive. It doesn't matter that I sell them. I 
see the competition regularly - cause we drive them at the training sessions 
with our own Land Rover product - and we get `em all in trade all the time. 
There ain't nothing else out there that really even comes close. As soon as I 
can pay off Shotgun's Dodge Intrepid, it's gone and we will start looking for 
a Disco for her. To drive one is to love it!

cheerz
Jim - tired of journalistic dweeboids who drive around in `73 Ford Pintos
`67 2A 88 5.0L hybrid
`67 2A 109 5.0L hybrid
`68 2B 110 F/C diesel
`70 P6B 3500S
`90 Range Rover County
`93 D110 (#457/500)
`95 D90 #1958

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From: Inkornoink@aol.com
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 20:08:01 -0500
Subject: Re: Dual Airbags/'96 Discovery/Kids

Dave, you are correct not to have the kids in the front...also when they are
very tiny you should have the car seat facing backwards........your car seat
should have come with guidelines.........safe driving!

Hank Gregory
1990 RR c
Inkornoink@aol.com

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Date: 11 Nov 95 20:31:57 EST
From: "William L. Leacock" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Subject: Diesel idle adjust

Kerry. 
The idle speed on ser 2 and 3 diesels is adjusted by a stop screw situated under
the lever at the side of the distributor pump. The lower screw adjusts idle and
the uper screw which  was capped off and wirelocked when the pump was new
adjusts max throttle travel

 Bil Leacock Limey in exile.

------------------------------

From: Inkornoink@aol.com
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 20:08:04 -0500
Subject: Re: RR fuel economy - why so bad?

In a message dated 95-11-10 21:06:22 EST,
breakfield.ernest@smtpgateway.centigram.com (BREAKFIELD ERNEST) writes:

Yesterday "breakfield.ernest@smtpgateway.centigram.com," wrote:

snip:
>        now i don't feel so bad about having to slog around in the Jeep! 
>     190 hp, 230 ft/lbs... and 16-23 mpg!

As a former Jeep Owner, and a current Rover Owner, I say:   if you enjoy
slogging in our Jeep...more power (and gas mileage) to you....

....Achhem, dork, say what?

Hank Gregory
1990 RR c
Inkornoink@aol.com

------------------------------

From: KKelly6788@aol.com
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 19:25:56 -0500
Subject: Defender 90

There is an article on driving the Defender 90 with Daphney Greene (from the
U.S. Camel Trophy team) at the Hollister off road park in this months (Nov.)
GQ magazine.

------------------------------

Date: 11 Nov 95 20:31:54 EST
From: "William L. Leacock" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Subject: Broken half shafts.

The variuos methods  for  removing the bits of broken half shaft without
removing the diff should only be considered a short term fix.
 By removing the rear differential one is able to "ensure" that ALL the pieces
of the half shaft are removed. Granted  many of the  small pieces will flow out
with the oil when it is drained ,but there is a  barrier at the rear of the axle
casing formed where the diff cover is welded to the axle. it is not unknown for
debris to become lodged behind this barrier and to come out when offroading and
destroy a few teeth on the diff wheel. I have also personal experience of the
pieces being ejected through the casing.
 The broken end can be extremely difficult to remove, particularly if you have
driven home on front wheel drive  with the broken  half shaft ends rubbing
together.
 It is  possible for the rod which is being used to eject the broken piece to
bend at the end( if you use this technique I recommend a piece of hardened
steel, or better still a larger dia piece with a forked end so that  it fits
either side of the planet gear shaft ) and become trapped behind the planet gear
shaft, making removal of the shaft  a difficult job which is easily fixed by
flame cutting  the diff out of the axle casing.
 I off roaded regularly with a 109 diesel in the days before Salisbury axles.
and used 
plenty of half shafts.
  The long way is the safest and can easily be accomplished in an hour,
providing you can get the broken piece out of the diff without having to change
the planet gear. This adds a half hour to the job.

 Regards  Bill Leacock   Limey in exile.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 14:34:52 -0800
From: Doug.Forehand@Eng.Sun.COM (Douglas W. Forehand)
Subject: Snow chains for Discos

Does anyone know why the snow chains for the Discovery are so
expensive ( >$500 US at British Pacific, Oct LRO-International
ad from LR lists at 410pounds ) ?

In contrast a good set (for 2 tires) of chains here in the USA from one 
of the discount auto parts stores will set you back only $50 or so.

The other confusing thing is that the NAS Discovery owner manual says
to never use snow chains, yet Land-Rover sells them for the Discovery.
Part number STC8518.

Has anyone every had occasion to use snow chains on a Discovery?
The stock Michelin M+S tires (235/70-16) look like they would do a pretty
good job by themselves. Of course a nice deep mud puddle with a slick clay
bottom might plug them up pretty quick.

Thanks
Doug

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 13:41:26 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Exterior Sun-Visors

> As far as fabricating one goes, I am sure its possible, but would it be birmabright 
> and would the side braces be galvanized? Get a used one if you can find it, or 
> spring for a new one while they still exist.

I suggested fabricating one.
If I were fabricating one I'd have it made from stainless, 
which is what I'm going to do since I need another one.
The price difference for that amount is tiny.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 13:46:45 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Yoshio Koseki/magazine subscriptions

I got this reply when I e-mailed an IP address that Dixon came up 
with (which incidentally was formatted incorrectly so I wonder if they 
really wanted to be contacted)

In reference to your FAX sent on Mon, 06 Nov 1995 10:31:26 CST,
regarding (Fwd) junk mail :

***************Message follows***************
We regret to inform you that the phone number you attempted 
to reach is not currently being served by a remote printer 
operator.  We hope to have coverage in this area -- perhaps 
you know somebody who could operate a remote printer server?

Regards,

Mr. Arlington Hewes
The TPC.INT Subdomain

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Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 11:02:40 -0600 (CST)
From: wilsonhb@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu (Henry B. Wilson)
Subject: Disco duning; 4wd systems

Nice explanation of 4wd systems; I've saved it for my files!

Regards,

Henry B. Wilson                 http://vumclib.mc.vanderbilt.edu/~wilsonhb
henben@aol.com (currently most reliable) or wilsonhb@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu

    ____
   /[__]\___            
  |   |  |  \   '94 Disco                     '59 AHY 100-6
  |---|__|___\____     
  |o _|= |=  |o_  }O                           _____/_______
 [|_/ \__|___|/ \_}|                          [/ \_____/ \__} 
    \_/       \_/                              \_/     \_/ 

                    '95 D90 SW (within 2 weeks)

   "The Healey's clean; the Rover's filthy.  Life is perfect."

P.S. I wave

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 11:02:19 -0600 (CST)
From: wilsonhb@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu (Henry B. Wilson)
Subject: side steps on Series or Defender

I have seen those nifty folding side steps on the series vehicles.  Can they
be fitted to the Defender?  The rocker panels seem shorter on the Defender.

Henry B. Wilson                 http://vumclib.mc.vanderbilt.edu/~wilsonhb
henben@aol.com (currently most reliable) or wilsonhb@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu

    ____
   /[__]\___            
  |   |  |  \   '94 Disco                     '59 AHY 100-6
  |---|__|___\____     
  |o _|= |=  |o_  }O                           _____/_______
 [|_/ \__|___|/ \_}|                          [/ \_____/ \__} 
    \_/       \_/                              \_/     \_/ 

                    '95 D90 SW (within 2 weeks)

   "The Healey's clean; the Rover's filthy.  Life is perfect."

P.S. I wave

------------------------------

From: KKelly6788@aol.com
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 11:08:24 -0500
Subject: Range Rover Drag Coefficient

>11/10/95  Russ Burns <burns@cisco.com> wrote
>RR fuel economy - why so bad? The weight, and telephone booth aerodynamics
have >a lot more to do with the MPG than the engine.

I was reading in a book on Range Rovers that the addition of the front
spoiler made the RR more aerodynamic, but the drag coefficient was still to
bad to print.  Does any one know what the Range Rover drag coefficient is?

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 11:02:35 -0600 (CST)
From: wilsonhb@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu (Henry B. Wilson)
Subject: Re: D-110 on blocks.

Bla bla bla.

Someone will use it like it's supposed to be used, eventually.  If they want
to masturbate over it in their garage, let them.

Sounds like that poor Rover is in need of a gun rack (just for the look),
some mud, and a 12 month stint at "Four-wheeler" for a real run-in.

Henry B. Wilson                 http://vumclib.mc.vanderbilt.edu/~wilsonhb
henben@aol.com (currently most reliable) or wilsonhb@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu

    ____
   /[__]\___            
  |   |  |  \   '94 Disco                     '59 AHY 100-6
  |---|__|___\____     
  |o _|= |=  |o_  }O                           _____/_______
 [|_/ \__|___|/ \_}|                          [/ \_____/ \__} 
    \_/       \_/                              \_/     \_/ 

                    '95 D90 SW (within 2 weeks)

   "The Healey's clean; the Rover's filthy.  Life is perfect."

P.S. I wave

------------------------------

From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Series III Diesel - What engine Oil?
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 95 11:31:05 GMT

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
> What engine oils are people out there using in their Series III diesels?
> Thanks Kerry.
Straight 20/50.As per manual.These engines have *huge* oilways,and
can cope with the thicker oil.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Danny Phillips <danny@tlpgate.lonpar.co.uk>
Subject: bicycles
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 95 12:25:07 GMT

dear all, sorry if this has been posted, but apprently in france you can get a 
disco special called a raleigh, which comes with his and her mountain bikes.

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Subject: Re: Where to mount Ham / Cell Antenna on 96 Discovery?
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 95 07:44:26 -0500
From: Gary Mitchelson <garym@cais.cais.com>

-- [ From: Gary Mitchelson * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

> Subject: Where to mount Ham / Cell Antenna on 96 Discovery?

> I just bought a new Discovery and having problems fiquring out where to  
mount
> some ham radio and cell phone antennas.

On my Discovery I have my ham antennas on a Comet RS-81 mount. This attaches
to the to lip of the rear door, I have it on the far right side. The mount
adjusts in all 3 planes so that the antenna can be mounted vertical no
matter what. The matching Comet antenna ( 60" 144/440) has a fold over hinge
that will allow a quick lay down of the antenna with nothing protruding
higher than the roof. Comet makes antennas for everything from HF to 2400
mhz that will fit the mount. The cable assembly is made of very low loss 5
mm cable with a 12" very thin teflon lead in coax that allows the cable to
be fed thru the door with no problem.

My cable then enters the vents that are above the speaker right at the door
edge and feed unseen all the way to the center console where my dual band HT
resides on a mount.

With this set up I have worked simplex over 120 miles with 5 watts

Diamond makes similar antennas and mounts and Maldol makes similar antennas
but their mounts offer an electric/remote fold over.

As far as cellular goes I have a Motorola micro phone velcroed to the ash
tray. The antenna is down and I have not had a problem with coverage.
--
Gary Mitchelson                    
garym@racalrecord.com           
N3JPU

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From: Trefor Delve <delve1t@nectech.co.uk>
Subject: Diff Locks
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 95 13:21:00 GMT

All,

Does anyone have any experience with or knowledge of LockRight automatic 
differentials  ?.  This may well be limited to the UK market as they are 
based (according to their sales blurb) in Lancashire.

Thanks.

Trefor
tdelve@nectech.co.uk

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Land Rover Bicycle
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 95 08:25:00 EST

Two wheel drive bikes suffer from the same problem as non centre diff 4x4s, 
namely that the front and rear wheels want to turn at different speeds 
except when going in a straight line. The wind up in the transmission (Fat 
speedo cable!) results in very awkward shifts of load between front and rear 
which are disconcerting and destabilising for the rider. Now how about a 
designer coming up with a durable limited slip drive to eliminate this 
problem? If anyone is interested I have a few ideas.

Trevor "mad inventor" Easton

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: They don't make 'em like they used to
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 95 08:24:00 EST

Patti Burke wrote
 "One of the reasons I bought a Land Rover product was because I saw REALLY 
old, beat-up
Land Rovers still running on the same beaches I hope to travel for many
years to come--"they don't make 'em like they used to??"

They do make 'em like they used to, it's just that the old beat up Land 
Rovers belong to a bunch of dedicated individuals, like us, who put up with 
the faults and quirks because of the basic "homeliness" (Not the word I 
really want) of our vehicles and the fact that even if they don't run well 
they usually get you home.  Welcome to the ranks.

Trevor Easton, 1962 SWB SW "Miss Golightly"

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From: "David McKain" <MCKAIN@cemr.wvu.edu>
Date:          Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:13:34 EDT
Subject:       Unique Sighting

Series LR Fire Engine in a BP gasoline commercial. Something like 
"For reliability in using our gasoline". Where did they get it from?

Also, the LR's in Ace Ventura were obviously just painted, probably 
some old klunkers with lots of bondo. The Jeepster Commando they 
destroyed was not fully repainted on the top which was pretty 
obvious. Still makes you sad to see them get wrecked.

Later,

David McKain
1966 SIIa Petrol
mckain@cemr.wvu.edu
(304) 599-0120
Morgantown, WV
USA                     

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From: Brian Neill Tiedemann <s914440@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: where are you??
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 01:20:21 +1100 (EDT)

whats happened to us?
I indexed the list and 11/11 was the last digest filed...?
I have not seen any since.

hmmmmmm
BT.

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:18:36 -0500
From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens)
Subject: Shuddering In Second

The problem has been solved! Some of you may recall that my SR IIa 88" was
experiencing a shuddering, vibrating sort of thing in second and third
gears. I thought it was the clutch or clutch adjustment at first. While
crawling underneath the machine on Saturday I discovered--to my
horror--that the four flange bolts on the rear propeller shaft were very
loose. I tightened them up and all is quiet again.

Check your fixings.

Chris Stevens

Beckett Klay
100 West Road
Suite 300
Baltimore, MD 21294
USA
(410) 583-6146
(410) 583-1935 (FAX)
chrisste@Clark.net

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 10:31:01 -0500
From: rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A. Virzi)
Subject: Re: Vulnerable Disco

Insoo Bay Wrote:
"It is one of the my habits  looking at the undercarrage of the vehicle from
time to time, spcecially after off road.  Recently, I have noticed that
steering damper was slightly bent after easy rocky terrain."

I trashed mine too, with the result that I couldn't turn left until I
disconnected it.  Replacement was easy, and so was the decision not to get
a Bilstein.  The damper is just too vulnerable.  I was talking to the folks
at Safari Gard and they may have some solutions to help.  I think they make
skid plates for the disco.  It may be a package with the replacement
bumpers.  I'll post when I get more info.  (Anyone have one of their front
bumpers installed?  I'd love a report.)
-Bob

  rvirzi@gte.com             Think Globally. ===
  +1(617)466-2881                            === Act Locally!

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Movie sightings
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 95 08:34:00 EST

There was a show on the other night about movie special effects, this 
edition was about pyrotechnics. In the segment about an upcoming movie where 
they blow up a church and antique store in a Canadian town, the scale model 
of the set that they were planning the explosion on had a 109 station wagon 
as the only vehicle in it. Anyone see this and remember the name of the 
movie? Does this indicate a possible upcoming sighting?

Trevor Easton

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:06:06 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: C'mon folks, buy a Sun Visor.

> Apparently Sandy needs about four (?) more orders for a minimum order.
> Sandy states that they are exact duplicates of the original, but even better.
>   Galvanized brackets and all.    $70.00 each,  or $60 to ROAV Club members.

Sandy,
I'd be caredul about advertising that you are making and selling 
exact duplicates of the LR sun visor. There's such a thing as patent 
infringement that Land Rover/BMW may not be to happy about. Given the 
recent thread about BMW's attitude to using the name with clubs etc., I wonder about 
their attitude on this matter.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 07:14:54 -0800
From: jcwhite3@well.com (John C. White, III)
Subject: HELLO...Hello...hello...

Is it me, or is there an echo on the List?  I seem to get three copies of
everything sent.  Usually the copies arrive two together in the same
distribution, then another will arrive a day later.

Cheers!  Cheers!  Cheers!
John     John     John

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:16:56 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Mail in 2-fold or 3-fold. Why?

> Lately I do receive some mailings in two-fold or even worse, in three-fold :-(
> Are there any list-members who also do suffer from this problem? Does anyone
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> Lucas-wired?
>  Or are there just some members with tremor on there SEND-MAIL-ONLY-ONCE-FINGER?

One reason is that some members of the list reply to an individual 
and cc the list, or vise-versa. Seems unwarranted to me, but then I get a lot of 
mail and every extra message is just one more to wade through.
Maybe it's done with the thought that the digest receipients won't 
want to wait for a reply. If that 's the case, maybe people on the 
digest that are in a hurry could ask for a direct reply 
and if they don't, we can assume they aren't in a hurry.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 14:34:52 -0800
From: Doug.Forehand@Eng.Sun.COM (Douglas W. Forehand)
Subject: Snow chains for Discos

Does anyone know why the snow chains for the Discovery are so
expensive ( >$500 US at British Pacific, Oct LRO-International
ad from LR lists at 410pounds ) ?

In contrast a good set (for 2 tires) of chains here in the USA from one 
of the discount auto parts stores will set you back only $50 or so.

The other confusing thing is that the NAS Discovery owner manual says
to never use snow chains, yet Land-Rover sells them for the Discovery.
Part number STC8518.

Has anyone every had occasion to use snow chains on a Discovery?
The stock Michelin M+S tires (235/70-16) look like they would do a pretty
good job by themselves. Of course a nice deep mud puddle with a slick clay
bottom might plug them up pretty quick.

Thanks
Doug

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:09:06 -0700
From: David Dodell <david@dental.stat.com>
Subject: Re: Dual Airbags/'96 Discovery/Kids

At 08:08 PM 11/11/95 -0500, Inkornoink@aol.com wrote:

>Dave, you are correct not to have the kids in the front...also when they are
>very tiny you should have the car seat facing backwards........your car seat
>should have come with guidelines.........safe driving!

Actually, I'm getting conflicting reports.

I have a call into Landrover NA and one of the engineers is suppose to call
me back today.
---
Internet : david@dental.stat.com
WWW   : http://www.stat.com/~david
Telephone: +1-602-860-1121
FAX      : +1-602-451-1165

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:12:03 -0700
From: David Dodell <david@dental.stat.com>
Subject: RE: Dual Airbags/'96 Discovery/Kids

At 12:19 PM 11/10/95 -0800, a-robw@microsoft.com wrote:

No message came through ... however, you are the ham that I corresponded
with before.

Where did you install your ham antenna again on the discovery?

david
---
Internet : david@dental.stat.com
WWW   : http://www.stat.com/~david
Telephone: +1-602-860-1121
FAX      : +1-602-451-1165

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 10:53:30 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Welcome Home

>  Majordomo Bill 
>  Thanks for all the god work you did with the Digest  whilst on holiday in in

I know that some of us worship our land rovers, but this is going to 
far maybe?

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: a-robw@microsoft.com
Subject: FW: Isuzu/Landie contest
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 15:55:44 -0800

Resent due to mail server problems (that should be resolved by now)
----------
>I understand from the Off-road list that 2 Isuzus and a Disco went out
>somewhere in US NW, as a results of one of the Isuzu owners mouthing off
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>one.  Nothing about it on this list? Uh-oh... bad news?  Or did I miss
>a report here also?
------------

I was the defending LRO in this "contest" and I haven't got around 
to posting the trip report, so I guess I should quit procrastinating. 
I should point out, that it wasn't a contest at all, rather some 
friendly hetero-vehicular off-roading. I met with the the Isuzu drivers 
near Mt. St. Helens, Washington  for a day of bouncing around in the 
mountains. The roads we found were [unfortunately] pretty tame for the most 
part (some were even PAVED :-( ) but we did find some opportunities 
for comparison.

While this area [the Pacific NW.)might be a mecca for such yuppiemobiles as 
the Discovery, Explorer & Jeep G. Cherokee, they are incredibly scarce once 
you leave the highway, well, once you leave the shopping mall for that 
matter. I think George's challenge was more to get someone to take their 
Disco off-road so he could see one "in action" in a sort-of "side-by-side" 
type of comparison.  The local LR Dealerships seem to resist/avoid these 
type of opportunities for some reason. Since I owed my kids a camping trip 
it seemed like a good opportunity to kill two birds with one stone. 

We all had a good time and came back deciding that I really need to get a 
rear locker (maybe I could talk to Santa...). George Reiswig, maker of the 
original "challenge" wrote the following report after the outing."

<begin trip report>

Subject: Re[6]: A challenge is offered!! FUN FUN FUN!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
 
---
Well, we did it!

Sunday, October 22nd, Marc Davis (Isuzu Trooper), Bob Watson (LR Discovery) 
and 
I (Isuzu Amigo) got together near Mount St. Helens, Washington for the 
hallenge
I offered some time ago.  You may recall that I suggested that my Amigo 
might go anywhere a Landy could, and that I'd sure be interested in seeing a 

Rover in 
action on some interesting trails.  Well, Bob took me up on it.

The results:  Everybody won!  We had a great time exploring around on 
numerous 
roads in the area.  The devastation caused by the eruption 15 years ago is 
not 
going to be erased anytime soon, and yet nature is coming back with renewed 
vegetation in the rich new soil.

The only real challenge we found involved some very loose soil and large, 
hard 
rocks in a quarry.  The bulldozers had created some good slopes and 
obstacles, 
and we took advantage of the opportunity to find out how our respective 
vehicles
worked.

Watching the Landy's suspension work really inspired my envy.  My IFS just 
doesn't move much, and Bob crawled over some obstacles that really crossed 
up 
his axles.  He got his frame and trackbar mount caught on a rock and had to 
back off of one obstacle, and it was obvious that Bob wasn't afraid of 
making his Disco work.  Marc and I pulled up on the grill guard while he put 

his tranny in reverse, and he was unstuck.

Most of the roads we tried were just dirt roads, so we made our way back to 
the 
quarry to play more seriously.  There was one section of large (1' - 6' 
diameter) rocks which had been bulldozed together, so we decided to deem a 
section of that an obstacle to be overcome.  I pulled up to it first, and 
then 
stopped and got out for the trickiest section of the route.  After some 
hemming 
and hawing, I got back in and went on with it.  I engaged my rear locker for 

the last part of the obstacle, because I didn't want to slip off to my left 
and beat my door up on the boulders.  There was loose soil on top of the 
obstacle, and I was afraid that my front tires wouldn't grab enough to pull 
me up, but they did, and I made it.

Marc tried it next, and he might got to the point where the really large 
rocks 
started.  Just then, his clutch decided that it didn't want to play any 
more.  
His progress ceased, but his engine went on.  I've never seen a clutch slip 
like that.  After hooking up a tow strap to his rear (well, his truck's 
rear), Bob pulled up behind him and pulled him smoothly (automatic tranny) 
off the rocks until he was free.  So much for the second stuck of the day.  

Bob decided that he didn't really want to try anything like that until he 
had 
better tires and a locker or two.  He and I talked for a bit, despite the 
sound 
of an engine roaring uselessly somewhere in the background....

"Uh, guys....I'm stuck again."  It was Marc calling over the radio.  He was 
halfway up a steep, loose hill, and had somehow managed to make it so that 
there was nothing but hill in front of him, and nothing but really big rocks 

behind him.  The only thing keeping him from rolling back was his tailpipe 
hitting one of the rocks.  We managed to remove two of the three rocks by 
hand, each of which weighed 250 lbs. or so.  The third one was firmly wedged 

under his bumper and against his tailpipe, and we couldn't do anything about 

it.  So, I drove up to the crest of the hill and hooked him up with the tow 
strap.  (The guys still don't believe that I actually have a Warn winch on 
the mount up front, because I'm so hesitant to use it!)

After pulling him up to the top, it was time to head for home.  In short, 
the 
challenge was to get people with different vehicles together in an 
environment 
which fostered curiosity about (and appreciation for) how different vehicles 

work, respect for other's vehicular taste and driving ability, and to leave 
the 
"my truck's better'n yours" attitude to others.  The result was that 
everyone 
had a good time.  

George "I still haven't seen a D-90 on the trails" Reiswig

<end trip report>
    _____
   /|__|_\___                            Bob Watson
  |   |   |  \                 a-robw@microsoft.com
  |---|___|___\____      Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA 
  |  _|=  |=  |o_  }\                
 [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}|    '95 Beluga Black Discovery
    \_/        \_/                            N7UMU

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From: sreddock@VNET.IBM.COM
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 95 16:51:45 GMT
Subject: Hippie trail to India

Hi all, greetings from Germany.  I can still bombard you with mail even is I
am un-subscribed at the minute.

I was back in England for the weekend and happened to see a program on BBC2
about a man who is retracing a route he took 30 odd years ago to India.

This time he is driving a Jeep (pass the soap, I need to wash out my mouth).
While driving across the desert he got bogged in soft sand.  No problem,
I thought, out with the high lift and use the sand ladders, or failing that
put some rocks under the wheels.

Instead he got out his recovery kit and started digging, WITH A GARDEN TROWEL!!

This guy has no idea, who would venture into the desert in a one vehicle
convoy armed with only a trowel?

Luckily a Toyota driving bedouin pulled him out.  I wonder how long he would
have been there for otherwise.

Also whilst reading last months top gear magazine I read a comparative test
of the new RR, a Jag XJR and a Merc soft top.  They tried to get the wheels
muddy on the RR and at one point even contemplated putting it into 4 wheel
drive!

Apologies if this has already been done to death, but as I have limited access
to a suitable terminal at present I have had to unsubscribe.

Happy Land Rovering (and carry the right kit!), Steve (slumming it in an Audi!)

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:04:52 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Head rebuilt.

> I just rebuilt Aurens' head due to a burnt exhaust valve. New valves,
> springs, seals, a new guide and a new cam follower kit.

Aaack!  Nigel's disease strikes again!  

I hadn't even read this message (had only downloaded it) when I started 
hearing a ticking noise in the engine, and had little power.  Luckily, I had 
only gone a couple of blocks so I turned back and called Scotty.  

btw, don't bother holding a celphone in the engine compartment; it doesn't 
help.  

Scotty said bring it up, but if it sounded bad, or anything, stop and have it 
towed.  I rung up HP and told 'em I wouldn't be there and headed for Concord. 
 When I got there, Scotty knew right away that I had broken a valve spring.  
But that would be too normal for me!

What actually happened, is that a non-stellite (inferior) insert had been put 
in, and it had slipped out, so the valve was clattering against it.  I was 
running on three cylinders, which was evidenced by the way the engine was 
jumping around.  

Well, now it seems that the hole where the valve goes in may be too worn (too 
big) to fit even stellite inserts.  Which means I need to find another Head. 
 Anyone have a spare they don't need (4cyl 2.25l petrol)?

tia!

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 10:22:09 -0800
From: brutus@jurassic-45.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Curtis)
Subject: Re: Where to mount Ham / Cell Antenna on 96 Discovery?

> I just bought a new Discovery and having problems fiquring out where to  
> mount some ham radio and cell phone antennas.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
> isn't flush, and I'm concerned that this will be a potential vandal  
> problem (bend the antenna)
> SO what is everyone else doing?
I mounted a trunk-lid mount 2m/70cm antenna in the middle of the hood
(near the window), was worried about obstructed vission, but turned
out to not be a probelm, performance good, vandel potential??? (but
it's hard to reach).

Also, i installed a secondary power cable in the cabin by running some
10 gauge cable attached to the main battery cable in the under hood fuse
block (also check those other connections, as i had a couple that did
tighten up a bit (the alternator screw was about an eight of a turn lose))
through a manual reset circuit breaker, through the firewall cable whole,
to a insultated power strip with multiple taps mounted to the rubber
issolated tray under the drivers seat. I installed the transceiver on
the tray, remote mounted front pannel above the center console towards
the driver, and the mike next to the power window switches next to the
driver. All in all, has worked out great.

Later, Bruce.
95' Disco (with custom off-road pin stripping)
--
Bruce W. Curtis                     brutus@Eng.Sun.COM
SunSoft, Internet Engineering       http://www.toaster.net/~brutus
2550 Garcia Ave, MS MTV05-44        (415)336-2652
Mountain View, CA 94043-1100        FAX:(415)336-6015
--- After November 15th ---
Bruce W. Curtis                     brutus@Eng.Sun.COM
SunSoft, Internet Engineering       http://www.toaster.net/~brutus
2550 Garcia Ave, MS MPK17-202       (415)786-5147
Mountain View, CA 94043-1100        FAX:to-be-assigned
 
> One other note, how do you get on the list format of this mailing list,  
> I've been sending requests to majordomo@land-rover.team.net with the  
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> FAX     : +1-602-451-6135
> WWW     : http://www.stat.com/~david

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: Unique Sighting (Ace Ventura)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 12:10:02 -0700 (MST)

David McKain writes:

 Also, the LR's in Ace Ventura were obviously just painted, probably 
 some old klunkers with lots of bondo. The Jeepster Commando they 
 destroyed was not fully repainted on the top which was pretty 
 obvious. Still makes you sad to see them get wrecked.

Eight restored LRs were commissioned for the film (most doubling for each
other).  The restorer had the director's assurances that the LRs would not
be harmed (the movie company purchased them and planned to resell them),
but in actual fact five of the eight were damaged beyond salvageability. 
The 3 survivors have been sold.  Reliable sources say that Jim Carrey had
to learn stickshift for the movie. One can't help but wonder how many of 
his stunt doubles were killed during filming the Rover sequences.

I suppose we all have to see it for ourselves, but I found the film 
revoltingly tiresome and stupid (very few of the gags are funny), and the 
Rover action disappointingly brief.  The best way to see this one is to 
wait for it to show up on tv, and capture the Rover sequences on tape (if 
you can stomach either Carrey or what happens to the vehicles).

T. F. Mills
tomills@du.edu                               University of Denver Library
http://www.du.edu/~tomills                          Denver  CO 80208  USA

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Date: 13 Nov 95 14:34:13 EST
From: <Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com>
Subject: re Airbags and safety of children

     A while ago NHTSA (800 424 9393) issued warnings not to place a child 
     in a rear facing seat facing an airbag because the airbag will tip the 
     seat over using the seat belt as a pivot. the child is pushed into the 
     back of the seat and may not bounce back causing suffocation. 
     
     secondly, recent deaths of young children in airbag equipped passenger 
     seats are under investigation. the problem there is that the airbag 
     deploys at very high speed using explosive like qualities causing 
     facial injuries especially when the child leans forward close to the 
     dash.
     
     My boss had an airbag deploy when he rear ended a car. unfortunately 
     he had a notepad on the steering wheel with a plastic backing. the 
     plastic was converted into shards of razor sharp knives and the pad 
     made a distinct outline on his face that lasted for several days.
     
     David, enjoy your 96 disco  mine is 11k miles strong and getting 
     quicker every day. mileage is about 16-18mpg though i did have 12 in 
     the depth of winter when doing 5 mile trips!
     also it proved very good at dragging a tree down my street after the 
     storm last weekend. who says only defenders can be made to work for a 
     living!!!!!
     regards
     Chris browne, minet gallagher associates boston
     Chris_browne@minet-usa-bos.ccmail.compuserve.com
     http://www.minet.tech.com

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 11:45:01 -0800
From: matts@cacilj.caciasl.com (Matt Snyder)
Subject: Diff lock light

When you put the shift lever in diff lock position, there is often a delay 
before the diff lock actually engages.  I don't know if the process is 
mechanical or electrical or some combination, but the lock doesn't engage 
until the gears line up properly.  Under certain conditions, the delay can 
be quite long.  When the sensor for my light was broken a few years ago, I 
once got myself severely stuck in a snowy ditch only 10 feet from my back 
porch, utter embarassment!  But the lock was not locked, and I didn't know 
it, and of course once a wheel is spinning there's no way to get the thing 
locked.  If the lock is indeed locked and the light isn't working, I 
recommend you get the light sensor serviced by someone who does not tell you 
it's normal.

-Matt

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 20:04:49 -0600 (CST)
From: "Soren Vels Christensen" <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
Subject: Re: Blocked rear brake November 6, 1995

In message Sun, 12 Nov 1995 20:19:20 +0100, lopezba@atnet.at  writes:
::
:: Jacked up front axle.  Put two axle stands under frame.  Axle sagged
:: again=
:: after jack was removed, barely providing enough clearance for wheel
:: removal. *Question:*  When jack goes under bottom plate for spring, where
:: does the axle stand go?  And if the jack goes under the frame, at least
:: mine will not=
:: lift the axle sufficiently for an axle stand.  Any tricks?

I jack the wheel under the spring and put axle stand under the frame right
behind the front springs. Lift the axle when removing or fitting the wheel.
This does require long stands though. Not the usual cheap (short) pair you
get in the tool market.

At the rear i put the stands on the 5x5 cm surface on both sides of the main
section of the rear crossmember. They look taylored for that purpose. One
must ensure that the x-member is in good condition though.

When the army is having an auction on vehicles and tools, go and get some
nice big stands.

rgds
sv/aurens

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 95 12:02:49 PST
From: asmith@BayNetworks.COM (Andrew Smith)
Subject: Re: Consumer Reports Ratings on 1995 Land Rover Discovery

Mark,

> If anyone has actually purchased
> a 1996 model, what are the significant changes verses the earlier models and
> is the 1996 model significantly improved over the 1995 model.

I have a '96 US Discovery. I think the only significant changes are the two extra
tweeters in the hi-fi and they moved the CD changer to under the right seat
instead of the left :-)

Oh, and they changed the pollution stuff and increased the cc a bit to compensate.
You also get amber turn signals at rear which is a major benefit as it makes
the vehicule look more "English" :-)

Andrew Smith
Palo Alto CA USA
'96 Discovery 

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 13 Nov 95 15:06:59 EST
Subject: WHyinhell is it a BREAKFAST, of all things?

Would someone pplease share the etymology of this term with me?

    Aj"It's a GRILLE, doggone it!"r

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From: JWootton@eworld.com
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 12:27:46 -0800
Subject: Land Rover Parts in London

Hi all,
"Folly" is in bits, tiny, tiny bits, each one needing TLC ( and paint)
however my shiny new galvanized frame has arrived, along with a big box of
goodies, so the theorical project is theoretical no more. More on all this
later, as I'm sure I'll need alot of help to fit everything back in its
place...

My current problem is more practical. Inevitably I forgot to order a few
things, and my in-laws are in London ( England) as we speak. I would like to
steer them toward a LR dealer ( it being Christmas and all...) but I can't
find the address of a supplier in the London area. Perhaps someone on the
list can help me out?

Keep tuned for more on the rise of "Folly" from the ashes ( although its more
like rust than ashes, but no matter...)

Cheers,
JW
'73  88"

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 95 22:04:04 +0100
From: sm095re@unidui.uni-duisburg.de (Kurt Reinhardt)
Subject: Probs with the list

Hi folks out there,
I have several problems in getting the daily digest since the 11th. If this
is a general problem this would be only one of many mails, but if you are
happy enough getting your digest and read this mail, please mail me and
attach the missing digests. If it is a problem which only occurs to me,
please mail me,too.
PS: Dear Bill if I am unsubscribed due to failure please resubscribe me to
the digest. Thanks Kurt
Kurt.Reinhardt@unidui.uni-duisburg.de

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 95 13:31:08 PST
From: Bennett Leeds <bennett@mv.us.adobe.com>
Subject: Re: Tired of Consumer Digest

First, we've been talking Consumer Reports, not Consumer's Digest.  
Big difference between them.

> Why is it a peculiarly U.S. trait that we can have one or two 

> rotten apples in a bushel basket of golden delicious poison us. 

You've seen the TV ads: "Demand Better." We are. ;^) That's the  
American way.

>... No wonder with things like the OJ trial. Don't blame us. ...

Well, as a LR salesperson, you appear to have a "don't blame me or  
LR" attitude. Luckily, that's not what I've gotten from the LR people  
I've dealt with so far.

> The Discovery has had more positive publicity garnered upon it that 

> *ANY* other SUV sold in the U.S.! 

Even assuming you had some quantitive numbers to back this up, it  
mostly only shows how good LR's publicity department is.

You can bash Consumer Reports all you want. Bottom line is that they  
are very experienced, capable automotive testers. They test lots of  
cars - at least as many as most trade rags, and they don't have to  
worry about advertisers pulling ads. CR was completely up-front about  
their test criteria (eg, no weight given to off-road ability, tested  
SUVs like they test sedans). They did that because that's what their  
market research tells them their readers wanted. Give them some  
credit for saying that the Disco "did the best in off-road tests."

You ask a series of questions about CR's specific test conditions  
that you imply remain unanswered (leaving us to infer sinster  
answers); yet though all CR's articles are uncredited you claim to  
know that this one was written by a person who wrote a similarly bad  
article for a commercial mag. What inside knowledge do you have?

As far as your last question goes, yes we do hear these things when  
they matter. If the car wasn't working right, CR would say that so  
and so malfunctioned and the results in the table are for a fixed  
vehicle. I don't believe CR would print that the results were  
surprisingly bad without double-checking beforehand. You go on about  
CR's bashing of the Disco's brakes, yet you fail to mention that CR's  
gave it an overall brake rating of "GOOD."

> Most of the woes thread concerns (c`mon - let's be objective) dinky  
> stuff. 

If it's so dinky, why bother putting it on the car at all? Except for  
the Defender, LR's claim to fame is the combination of superior  
luxury side by side with superior off road prowess. Read the  
brochure. If the luxury doesn't work, LR should face it and improve  
it. And, there *have* been breakdowns requiring towing (auto trans  
cable, and electrical cable shorting) on this list. Finally, don't  
forget that most of the Discos people wrote on have less than 20K  
miles on them.

> Jim - tired of journalistic dweeboids who drive around in `73 Ford 

> Pintos

Come on, Jim. You should know that they were the ones bashing the  
Pintos for their dangerous gas tank placement. They all drive Honda  
Accords or Toyota Camrys. ;^)

Me? I'm a brand new Discovery owner (236 miles as of 1pm today). I  
like the vehicle very much - I'm sure it'll suit our needs. But,  
frankly, I see lots in the CR review that's correct. The minor  
controls *are* illogically placed (the window controls are quite  
logical by comparison to the front/rear fog lamps, or to the  
visibility of the clock, or especially to the workings of the  
window/sunroof lock-out buttons). It's not quick in the saloom. The  
gears do whine. CR's complaints about marginal A/C, gas mileage, seat  
comfort, pedal location, etc. all echo complaints seen on this  
mailing list from owners.

On the good side, LR appears to be pretty responsive. I can state for  
a fact that the power seats in the '96 are far more comfortable than  
in earlier years. There's even almost a dead foot rest for your  
clutch foot. And CR will be happy to know that the '96 owner's manual  
now tells you to use a locking clip for child seats.

- Bennett Leeds
bennett@mv.us.adobe.com

'96 Discovery SE-7,  5 spd., Altai Silver/grey interior
'66 Jaguar E-Type roadster, on the blocks 

'87 BMW 325is
'83 Mazda RX-7, for sale
Previous owner of a '76 Triumph Spitfire (best steering of any car in  
the world, btw.)

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 16:50:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: WHyinhell is it a BREAKFAST, of all things?

On 13 Nov 1995, Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:

> Would someone pplease share the etymology of this term with me?

	Because...  That's what it is called...  That's what we (a number
	of people on the list and elsewhere) have always called it & heard
	it referred to...  

>     Aj"It's a GRILLE, doggone it!"r

	No it ain't...  A grille is a grille.  The breakfast is the entire
	radiator support, er, breakfast, that goes between the wings, the
	grille attaches to it etc...

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From: RICKCRIDER@aol.com
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 17:29:11 -0500
Subject: RE: Sun Visors / Hoof in Mouth

In a message dated 95-11-13 10:20:38 EST, Tom Rowe wrote:

>Sandy,
>I'd be caredul about advertising that you are making and selling 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>wonder about 
>their attitude on this matter.

Ahemmm........ugh......er......Sandy Grice actually hasn't been advertising
the Exterior Sun Visors.....per se........

I started the thread in an effort to find one for myself.   Sandy answered my
posting telling me about the ones that the ROAV club made.    

My further postings were an attempt to help get enough orders in to warrant a
remake of the visors..........purely out of greed.   I do want one for
myself.  

So,  Sandy,  if you read this,  hope I haven't caused any concerns your way.

All else aside,  I still want one for myself,  and apparently there are
desires among the list members for the visors also.

Cordially:
Rick .....extracting foot from mouth.....Crider
Monroe  NC

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 18:04:08 -0500 (EST)
From: "Francis J. Twarog" <ftwarog@moose.uvm.edu>
Subject: Trivia etc.

Well, a few folks got the trivia spot on correct - the SA team 
participated for the first time in International competition under their 
new flag... the vehicles were: 2 and 4 door Rangies, Series III 88's, 
90s, 110s, Discos and even (I believe these were used to scout then were 
found to be just to damn big) a couple of 130s!

Gotta run - no trivia today!

Frank Twarog
Burlington, VT

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From: Harincar@mooregs.com (Tim Harincar)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 16:59:54 -0600
Subject: Washer Systems?

When were windscreen washer systems installed on LRs? My '66 IIa doesn't 
have a system, so I was wondering if such a system was not offered or 
offered only as an option that year (and why would anyone choose *not* to 
have one?).

Anyhow, I'm planning to add such a system, based on parts from RN, and was 
wondering if anyone else has added one, and what any pitfalls might be.

Thanks,

Tim
 ---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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Subject: Re: Trivia etc. 
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 15:32:47 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

In message <199511132305.SAA02531@butler.uk.stratus.com>you wrote:

> the vehicles were: 2 and 4 door Rangies, Series III 88's, 
> 90s, 110s, Discos and even (I believe these were used to scout then were 
> found to be just to damn big) a couple of 130s!

More Trivia:

	Which which vehicles used on the Camel Trophy (for competition) did
not have diesel engines?

Ben

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Date: 13 Nov 95 15:54:24 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Disco woes

Oh, for heavens sake...

> "squeaky" steering at temperatures of 40 degrees or below, until...

Now, with the steering of my '87 RR it's like this: Sometimes it squeaks,
and sometimes it dont (something to philosophize about). And with the 109,
when the beast gets really horny it actually *groans*, go figure...

> the differential lock indicator doesn't always light up, even though
> it's definitely in gear (I was told this is "normal" -- why have the
> damn light if it doesn't mean anything)

"Normal" bull droppings, that is...
Due to the technical, er, 'intricaticitalities' of the differential
what-zee-ma-jigue, if the indicator isn't lit then either a) the bulb is
burnt out, or b) your diff *isn't locked*

(Pleeze, *don't laugh*, I had to study for this)
[above phrase copyright by Django Edwards, U.S. & int.pat.pend.]

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Date: 13 Nov 95 15:54:17 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: RE: RR fuel economy 

> In the future, I'd love to see a BMW engine installed in the Discovery. I
> bet it'd not only give better gas mileage, it'd also be quieter and
> be less leak-prone. 

I also bet it would instantly overheat and blow its head off (after having
made you incinerate your clutch plate) when being forced to pull you through
deep desert sand and up and over 300-ft dunes for several hours at 120 
deg.F temperatures. The Land Rover engines have all proven that they can
do this. The BMW... I most strongly doubt it. On very hot summer days in
Germany, the hard shoulders of the Autobahn are littered with stranded BMW's
with burnt head gaskets or blown radiators due to severe overheating from
speeding at high temps (something you wouldn't be able to experience in the
US before Smokey pulls you over...). And this isn't even off-road yet!
I wouldn't put a BMW engine in a Land Rover (or any off-road vehicle for
that matter) if you gave it to me for free.

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 95 16:37:08 PST
From: asmith@BayNetworks.COM (Andrew Smith)
Subject: '96 Discovery catalogue ....

Bennett,

Hope you are enjoying your new toy. No doubt you have found something
already that doesn't quite work right but I'm cynical enough not to
expect everything to be perfect (maybe 3 1/2 years in the US is not quite
enough to turn me into a true US-consumer: in England, everyone would be 
too embarrassed to complain :-)

My catalogue so far (1900 miles, 4 weeks) is:

- passenger front door latch intermittent fault: been in 3 times now, still
     not fixed even though they know it as a "problem" from other vehicles.

- some under-bonnet grommets not seated correctly. I fixed these.

- transmission whine started after approx 900 miles: "this is a feature, not a bug".

- wind noise on drivers front door: got worse after I asked them to look at it.
    Dealer says they reseated the glass and frame. I daren't ask them again :-(

- dealer-installed sunroofs wired incorrectly: they accidentally disconnected 
    interior lamp switch to install sunroofs. Actually, dealer subcontracted
    installation and the installers misinstalled roof wiring (ran off wrong circuit
    apparently) and screwed up the lamp. At first attempt, dealer corrected the lamp 
    wiring but disconnected the sunroofs. Second attempt, service engineer remembered
    that he had disconnected sunroofs for safety because they were wired to wrong 
    (unfused?) circuit and had forgotten to wire them up again, duhh! Now working fine.

- dealer-installed fog lamps: forgot one screw fastener on installation.

- roof cross-bars are a loose fit and I wouldn't recommend relying on them
    for a ski-rack. I bought a Thule ski rack (REI sale special - hurry while 
    supplies last!) identical to the L-R official one for 1/4 the price but am
    now considering buying the gutter-mount posts and bars as the L-R bars rattle
    around so much. It might just be adequate with skis installed as braces!

- irregular range on remote key locking (a real off-road showstopper this one!).
    Sometimes 20ft, sometimes 3ft. Must be due to ionospheric conditions. Never
    completely fails though.

User-inflicted damage:

- encounter with my gatepost: yes, Discovery is wider than an old Cherokee! Score 
    was a tie - gatepost 1: Discovery 1. I think there is a bad blind-spot down there 
    (need those dipping side mirrors!). Time to get some sensible corners containing
    steel for the rear bumper - the plastic ends give zero protection for the paper-thin 
    rear corner body panels. Small dent on the rear right-side corner. The gatepost 
    suffered similar damage. Why did I go for the shiny black colour .....?

Future user-inflicted damage:

- sure to crack those plastic trim-strips-that-look-like-steps real soon now!

Getting around 18mpg on 92 octane, freeway (including a Tahoe trip). Haven't been 
off-piste yet but I'm eagerly awaiting some real weather and deep snow. Still looking for
snow chains at a sensible price (my old Jeep industrial-grade ones are too small :-()
Everything else is just ..... wonderful!

Andrew Smith
Palo Alto CA USA

'60 Healey 3000 Mk.I
'96 Discovery

P.S. I don't remember any big seatbelt sticker.

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 17:01:32 -0800 (PST)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: Subject: buying 87 90 RR

On 10 Nov 1995, Treit Le wrote:

> Looking at my service manual, the 105K '95 RR Classic service includes the 
> replacement of the catalytic converter. Is this normal for all cars? or just 
> RR's? My general attitude concerning exhaust systems has been to replace them 
> when they start dragging;). Is there a stainless exhaust for my vehicle and 
> does it improve power?

Funnily enough mine is just due for its 105,000 mile service, but I have 
no intention of replacing catalytic converters unless they start leaking. 
I seriously doubt if even the dealers do this as a routine service (I 
know they don't with the oxygen sensors, which are supposed to be 
replaced around 82,500).

Cheers

John Brabyn
89 RR

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 19:54:50 -0500 (EST)
From: "Steven Swiger (LIS)" <swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu>
Subject: Kudos to FTP Site

Just checked out the LR ftp site that came up in the mail the other day...
It is excellent.  If you get the chance, check it out!  Good Work and 
great pix OVLR!
kudos
steve

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 17:05:30 -0800 (PST)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: Where to mount Ham / Cell Antenna on 96 Discovery?

I don't have a Discovery or a cellular phone, but found a glass mount 
worked fine for a CB. 

I have the kind that unscrews, so can leave it off (I keep it under the 
carpet in the back) unless I'm using it. This is advantageous for garages 
and car washes!

Cheers

John Brabyn
89RR

On Sun, 12 Nov 1995, David Dodell wrote:

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> I just bought a new Discovery and having problems fiquring out where to  
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 30 lines)]
> Internet: david@warp.stat.com
> FAX     : +1-602-451-6135
> WWW     : http://www.stat.com/~david

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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:41:22 +0930
From: philr@ozemail.com.au (Phil Rofe)
Subject: timing belt actual lifetimes on 200 tdi defender

Some help required from those who have endured the experience of a broken
timing belt on the 200 TDI DEFENDER.  I recently heard of a DEFENDER owner
who drove his vehicle up to the very northern tip of Australia (Cape
York-nice spot) but 3 days drive from the nearest LR mechanic....guess
what?  It broke!

I'd like to avoid the experience (and probably too the adventure)..  Story
goes that the Australian LR distributers agreed to pay for the part but not
the labour....some A$1300 later!

Any advice would be appreciated!

Apart from this and after 30 000km of hard driving in the Northern
Terrritory of Australia I'm still convinced that if treated kindly they're
a great vehicle.
(Still love my series 3 SWB tho' even if it does drop oil))

Bye

PhilR@ozemail.com.au

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From: "Gerald" <g@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 21:03:15 -0500
Subject: Re: Chelmsford, USA

>From: Danny Phillips <danny@tlpgate.lonpar.co.uk>

asked:

>lastly a note to tim macdaniel, is chelmsford in the US more interesting than 
>the one in the uk? the uk one was once voted 3rd most boring city in the 
>country, just after coventry and grantham.town

I can't answer for tim macdaniel, but I have been to Chelmsford, 
Massachusetts. No doubt a namesake of Chelmsford, U.K. Its most 
notable feature is a five way intersection in the center of town. The 
site of enough small accidents to engender bumper stickers that say 
"I survived Chelmsford Center."

--
Gerald
g@ix.netcom.com

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From: "Gerald" <g@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 22:18:40 -0500
Subject: Automatic electric aerial

I picked up a Discovery Accessories brochure in London. It lists a 
"Fully Automatic Electric Aerial" STC8040. Anyone know if this will 
work on a U.S. Disco? Seems odd to me that it is not available in U.S.

I waved at one RR this morning and the driver acknowledged by nodding her 
head. Waved at another Disco this evening and not no response though 
it was dark enough that the driver probably missed my wave.

--
Gerald
g@ix.netcom.com

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From: CpaulP@aol.com
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 22:34:01 -0500
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Have not received any mail (IRO-DIGEST) in last 2 days (Nov.12 &13).  Is the
system having problems or is it me?  Thanks.

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Date: 13 Nov 95 22:48:55 EST
From: Bill  R Parks <74200.240@compuserve.com>
Subject: subscribe

Subscribe lro-digest

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 23:56:41 -0500
From: Matt Neibaur <matt@jax.gttw.com>
Subject: Disco

Someone asked about Discoveries:

I've had my 1995 for about six months.  I love it.  I think it drives well.
It can go places I've only dreamed of in the past.  I've hooked up a
trailer and pulled it up a mountain top without any difficulty.

It has also quit at 8,000 miles.  It had to do with the alternator.  It was
fixed under warranty, and is running fine now.  Overall, I like it and I
plan on keeping it for a long time.  Its a heavy car, so the braking is a
little slower than a light car would be.  It still feels safe.

I think it is a good value.

Matt N. matt@jax.gttw.com

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 21:28:23 -0800
From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Was: Snow chains for Discos, Now: Echo

No, it's not my imagination.  I've gotten this message FIVE times now.

Cheers!
John

At 14:34 11.11.95 -0800, Douglas W. Forehand wrote:
>To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 28 lines)]
>Thanks
>Doug

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 21:28:55 -0800
From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: Consumer Reports Ratings on 1995 Land Rover Discovery

There are also two models now.  The SD and the SE7.  The difference between
them is that the SE7 has electric seats, the SD doesn't.  I stopped by the
dealership today to check them out.  

Found out something else interesting in the process.  Land Rover only
produces 45,000 Discoveries a year.  Of these 20,000 are kept for the U.K.
market.  According to the salesman, the local dealership has the highest
sales in northern California, but can only get 15 Discoveries a month.
That's why the wait is so long and the price not discounted at all.

Cheers!
John
'95 Discovery
San Francisco, California

At 12:02 13.11.95 PST, Andrew Smith wrote:
>To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>> is the 1996 model significantly improved over the 1995 model.
>I have a '96 US Discovery. I think the only significant changes are the two
extra
>tweeters in the hi-fi and they moved the CD changer to under the right seat
>instead of the left :-)
>Oh, and they changed the pollution stuff and increased the cc a bit to

compensate.
>You also get amber turn signals at rear which is a major benefit as it makes
>the vehicule look more "English" :-)
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>Palo Alto CA USA
>'96 Discovery 

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 01:01:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Unique Sighting

David McKain sez...

> Also, the LR's in Ace Ventura were obviously just painted, probably 
> some old klunkers with lots of bondo. The Jeepster Commando they 
> destroyed was not fully repainted on the top which was pretty 
> obvious. Still makes you sad to see them get wrecked.
-

Now for the interesting part... If you watched the credits, you would have
noticed that the movie was filmed in Canada, Texas and South Carolina. There
is a safari park in Texas that was used, so the mansion and "jungle" scenes
were probably done in SC. Anyone from SC have any idea of where these Rovers
came from??

Cheers
Mike
 

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 01:01:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Fuel Sender Units pos. vs. neg.

Jeremy asks...
 
> Does replacing the pos. earth sender with a neg. earth sender pose any 
> problems?  I can't think why it should, and I recall a few posts about 
> pos to neg. conversions leading to reversal in the fuel guage.  Surely 
> replacing the sender polarity type will cure this?
-

There is no "polarity" in the sender itself as it is basically a variable
resistance with ground (earth). I converted my 1965 IIa to negative earth
with no problems - using the original fuel sender. I have heard some
mutterings that the older (rectangular) fuel sender contains a voltage
stabilizer, but I question that since there is only one wire attached, and
that wire goes to the fuel guage.

The only guage reversal you will have is on the ammeter, and that is easily
corrected by reversing the connections to the ammeter.

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 725-1859                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078      -USA-   1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol ("Sidney")      
              7          1972 Ser III 88 Petrol ("Fern")
           #:-}>         1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol (Parts is Parts)

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 01:02:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Washer Systems?

Tim asks...
 
> When were windscreen washer systems installed on LRs? My '66 IIa doesn't 
> have a system, so I was wondering if such a system was not offered or 
> offered only as an option that year (and why would anyone choose *not* to 
> have one?).
-

Well.... I just happen to have the "Optional Equipment" book for the Series
II and IIa...  There actually was an optional windscreen washer offered. I
have no details except that the jets were fitted to the windscreen wiper
arms. I have a part of a screenwasher - just the pushbutton for the dash
panel. It is labled "Kigass Screenwasher" and when you push the button it
compresses a small rubber bulb for a pump. Does anyone know if that was part
of the original option?

On the subject of options, according to this book the interior mirror and
passenger-side windscreen wiper were both options. (The mirror was standard
on Station Wagons, Hardtops and Cabs.) 

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 725-1859                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078      -USA-   1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol ("Sidney")      
              7          1972 Ser III 88 Petrol ("Fern")
           #:-}>         1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol (Parts is Parts)

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 01:01:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Blocked rear brake November 6, 1

Peter works on his brakes...

> *Tip:*  If wheel nuts can not be loosened by using the crossbrace, rest
> end of crossbrace on jack or axle stand and step on levers.  If your
> breakfast was sufficiently hearty, nuts should move.
-

And if you do it wrong, *your* nuts will move....  8-O

> *Question:*  When jack goes under bottom plate for spring, where does the
> axle stand go?  And if the jack goes under the frame, at least mine will
> not lift the axle sufficiently for an axle stand.  Any tricks?
-

I've got just a wimpy little jack, so I use a couple of 4x4 wood blocks
under the jack to raise it up higher. If you have a nice big floor jack, you
can lift the truck from the bottom of the diff. Also, if you have nice big
jackstands, you could support the truck from the axels instead of the bottom
of the springs.

> Pulled off brake drum by tapping it patiently on the protruding outer
> edge with a heavy plastic mallet.  Took some time, but came off in one
> piece.
-

Here's something to try... You should find that there is a hole in the brake
drum with no screw in it. You can fit a coarse thread bolt in that hole.
Screw it in until the bolt makes contact with the hub. Then, slowly screw it
in further. It will push the brake drum away from the hub. You may need to
slack it off and tap around the hub with your mallet so the hub comes off
straight. 

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 725-1859                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078      -USA-   1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol ("Sidney")      
              7          1972 Ser III 88 Petrol ("Fern")
           #:-}>         1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol (Parts is Parts)

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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 01:07:25 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Washer Systems?

On Mon, 13 Nov 1995, Tim Harincar wrote:

> When were windscreen washer systems installed on LRs? My '66 IIa doesn't 
> have a system, so I was wondering if such a system was not offered or 
> offered only as an option that year (and why would anyone choose *not* to 
> have one?).

	Original eqippment on my 109 SW

	'64 109 has one.  Hand operated pump just above the temp/oil
	pressure switch.  Bottle sits in a holder bolted onto the
	centre of the bulkhead.  Holder fits a beer very well...

k

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Subject: Re: Consumer Reports Ratings on 1995 Land Rover Discovery 
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 22:38:47 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

John White wrote:

> I stopped by the dealership today to check them out.  
> Found out something else interesting in the process.  Land Rover only
> produces 45,000 Discoveries a year.  Of these 20,000 are kept for the U.K.
> market.  

	That's some interesting (mis)information.  According to LRO magazine
the factory is producing 1760 Discos/week as of August 1995.  It was at 1200 per
week before that.  I did some calucation on publish production rates (goals)
and came up with 87,360 Discos built in 1995.  Lately I've heard that 
worldwide LR sales are dropping.

> According to the salesman, the local dealership has the highest
> sales in northern California, but can only get 15 Discoveries a month.

	And in Massachusetts, Jim Pappas mentioned selling 30 to 40 per
month at a single dealer.  I guess supply differes based on region.

Ben
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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