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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: Bull Bars and Bambi and Skippy
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 18:44:40 +0930 (CST)

Mike writes.

costs".  

While this philosophy is truely exemplary, in all situations not just road
kill it fails to take into account one over-riding factor. The animal.

Damage to vehicles at least here in OZ is not restricted to frontal impacts.
A good friend has had a ute (non L/R) written off following a roll-over
after being hit in the side by a large  Roo.   'Ol Skip head butts the car
knocks himself out and falls under the rear tyre.... and over we go.  Seen
lots of badly damaged panels on curb side of cars following "Run ins" with
Heavy metal affected skippys, even seen one skip stagger up shake his head a
few times and hop rather unsteadily away after totalling both passenger doors
and the rear quarter panel on a Land-cruiser.

Trouble with Roos is that the literally just Jump out in front of you....

Now Buffalo (before they all got shot :-( are different, they sort of swagger
out and stand there... 
Usually just over the crest of a hill or around that blind sweeper.
Aint no bull bar made gonna save ya from one of those suckers....  Even the
road-train drivers didnt like to tangle with the big ones   (Road-train= 3
tri-axle semis all linked together 120+ meters long 100+ ton and untill
regulations changed speeds up to 160+ KMH).  Plenty of Kenworths and Macks
with twisted chassis in the wreckers in Katherine about 10 years back. 

Now where was I...
Oh yeh Roo/Bull bars..   There is a distinction between the two you know.
Basically none of the bars over here look much like what you see in
LRO-magazine under the title "Brush guard".  The traditional "Bull-bar"
consists of 4 I (i) beam uprights with plenty of tubular cross bars to fill
in the gaps and a big box or C channel bumper.They are  basically flat flat
in profile and slope slightly away from the vehicle.
Sometimes called Mack type bars. Most of the modern "sculptured" bars seem to
be based on this pattern (ie are perpendicular to the ground in profile).

The Roo bar by contrast is typically made from almost exclusively from
tubular material, with the exception of the bar that replaces the bumper
which usually is of a solid box section. They are much cheaper and lighter,
but are designed so that one bar in the middle protrudes a long way forward
of the vehicle.   (if the bar is laid on the ground with the vehicle side
down it will present a triangular profile side on).   The idea of this is to
push the offending animal down and under the vehicle rather than up and over
the bonnet and thru the window..   (There was something on the media a few
months ago about some guy who was killed when a roo came thru the screen and
couldnt get out, anyone over here remember the details?)  

>  Glad to see you back on the net.  With so little traffic from AU/SA we'd
>  thought roo's buggered the whole bloody lot!

Nah, just been out dodging Elk and red-deer at Bundaleer (near Jamestown) (on
private land) and Roos at Burra.

Well I've rambled on too long already.  Any questions????

-- 

  Daryl

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From: sreddock@VNET.IBM.COM
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 95 10:34:44 BST
Subject: Heretic!

CC'd from my posting to the UK-lro thingy.

 Subject: Heretic!

 Hi all, yesterday I was pootling along the A32 (just north of Portsmouth) and
 I came across some of those orange castrol arrows which mark motor sports
 events.  Never one to pass motor sport I pulled in.  It turns out that it
 was the tail end of a gymkhana being run by Hants & Berks ROC.  After lurking
 for a few minutes I started talking to a couple of the organisers.

 The long and short of it was that if I joined the club I couldn't enter any
 competitions.  Apparently my lightweight isn't good enough for them.

 The problem lies with the engine.  A year ago I went playing in the mud at
 Cannock and sucked an air filter full of water into the engine.  It got me
 home but not much further.  Time for a new engine.

 After weighing up lots of alternatives I decided on a Ford V6 for the following
 reasons:

 I needed to tow a heavy trailer (about a tonne and a half).
 I needed more performance.
 Fuel economy would be nice.
 I was at the time a student & therefore broke.

 I picked up a second hand 2.8 Granada lump with all the fitting kits & other
 bits from a bloke who wanted something different in his lightweight, for what
 seemed to be a reasonable price.  The fact that it appears to have had ring
 sealant or something similar in it is a minor problem as the engine gave up a
 few months later.  Thanks for that, mate!

 The V6 is actually easier to fit than the V8 (the other obvious choice) and
 only requires a quick lump to the footwell with a hammer, rather that lots of
 cutting and welding.

 I now have an engine which provides a reasonable amount of power & torque.
 Enough in fact for me to leave most cars in a cloud of tyre smoke at the lights
 if I choose.  I also managed a whole 23 MPG whilst towing a trailer (only half
 a tonne or so) from Birmingham to Portsmouth, and I wasn't hanging around
 either.

 So I haven't destroyed my Land Rover with the power, they can after all cope
 with a V8.  Externally it looks standard, apart from the larger exhaust pipe.
 It makes no more noise than standard.  Off road abilities are improved,
 although I suspect the front axle weight is up a bit.

 This is not good enough for the Association of Rover Clubs (the ARC) however.
 I have defiled my Land Rover, it is no longer pure and therefore cannot take
 part in anything to do with the ARC.

 Why not?

 Land Rover themselves have done the same thing, first with VM engines and now
 a BMW lump.

 I could understand them objecting to modified vehicles in general if they were
 a concourse club or similar.  They are quite happy with Hybrids and other
 modifications, even though these vehicles are also implying that (here's the
 heresy) Land Rover designers aren't perfect and the cars can be improved.

 Is there anybody out there an the committee of the ARC who would like to
 comment on this?

 I cannot fault the Hants & Berks ROC however.  They where very welcoming and
 friendly (even to a heretic who turned up on a motor bike) and would have
 happily taken my money to join, but not let me enter the competitions.  They
 were bound by the ARC's rules however.  I believe that the Range Rover Register
 have had to leave the ARC for exactly this reason.  Isn't it time that the
 ARC realised that Land Rovers are the best even after they have had engine
 upgrade?

 Steve Reddock, Lightweight V6 (and proud of it!)

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Date: 04 Sep 95 05:43:25 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Accessories for the Discovery

> Is there anyone out there with any experience with these types of
> accessories?  Is there a source that you might recommend?  Any help is
> greatly appreciated.

There are a number of special catalogues from Land Rover as well as
aftermarket suppliers for custom Discovery/Range Rover add-ons such as
police lights, rifle & ammo boxes, gun racks, loadspace mount for anti-
aircraft gun (oops, sorry, that's for the Defender 130)... Don't know
if LR dealers in the US have these catalogues, but maybe they can get
them for you.

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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From: Mr Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date:          Mon, 4 Sep 1995 10:52:00 +0000
Subject:       Re: Bull Bars and Bambi and Skippy

On  4 Sep 95, Daryl Webb wrote:

> Well I've rambled on too long already.  Any questions????
Yes,

Why are they called BULLbars? 

If the idea is to avoid tangling with 'Roos call them roobars.
If the idea is to avoid tangling with flora call them bushbars.

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: Bull Bars why???
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 19:46:20 +0930 (CST)

Ian Writes:
> Why are they called BULLbars? 

Sort of a generic thing I guess.  In The good old days the large flat 4 post
type were the "Bull bar".  Supposed to protect you from Bulls....  Calves and
small cows yes, Bulls...  all 1100+Kg   yeh right...  The commercial ones look
nothing like the mobile railway tracks seen on Bull Catchers.
  
> If the idea is to avoid tangling with 'Roos call them roobars.  

They are/were

> If the idea is to avoid tangling with flora call them bushbars.

Never a term used much here in Oz probably due to the prevelance of the more
robust Bull/Roo bars.  Have heard people use the term "scrub bar" but not
often. 

cheers

-- 

  Daryl

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Bull Bars and Bambi and Skippy
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 95 11:35:19 BST

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 23 lines)]
>      ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
> Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
>  <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>
I suspect that this is the advertising industry,currentley hoist
bt its own dewberry-firkin,at least over here.We've had them called
Nerf bars,nudge bars,brush bars etc.But how much more MACHO is the
term BULL bar.London again<sigh>.So now the press doesnt like 'em.
Surprise,surprise.You've only got to go to an agricultural show,
and look at a fully grown two ton Hereford bull to realise that
front bumper mounted field gate or no,hit one of these beasts,
and you're *dead*.
Question.Do our African friends call 'em Rhino Bars,or have they
got more sense?

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 09:32:11 GMT
From: Gerald Tan <gtan@bbchw.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Land Rovers!

Hello!

Do you cater for the American market mainly, or can you also accomodate UK based 
enquiries? If not, have you any suggestions on where I can post UK based 
queries?...Thanks.

Gerald.

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: Bull Barset al
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 20:46:24 +0930 (CST)

Miek tells us quite correctly:

> Surprise,surprise.You've only got to go to an agricultural show,
> and look at a fully grown two ton Hereford bull to realise that
> front bumper mounted field gate or no,hit one of these beasts,
> and you're *dead*.

That would seem to be the basic fact that some of the advertising people in
London (or Sydney or New York) have yet to grasp.  Still for as long as I
can remember the bigger more robust "field gates " have been called "Bull-bars"

Still such things are of some use at least for the overlander.    It is
actualy possible to "hit" a Bull at speed and survive.  I'll never forget the
size of the dry-cleaning bill after we *just* clipped the tail of a big buff on
the Arnhem highway many years ago....  Just caught the last 6 or so inches of
the tail with the Bull-bar at about 120Kmh.  He was none too impressed, the
noise sure woke up everybody in the car....

cheers

-- 

  Daryl

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From: Andrew Grafton <A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Bull Bars and Bambi and Skippy
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 95 12:22:43 BST

> If the idea is to avoid tangling with 'Roos call them roobars.
> If the idea is to avoid tangling with flora call them bushbars.

And for those which will only ever tangle with pedestrians...!?

All the best,
Andy
A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk

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From: "GAWIE VAN BLERK" <A48462@bfnnfs01.eskom.co.za>
Date:          Mon, 4 Sep 1995 13:39:49 GMT+200
Subject:       Re: LR books

Hi Lloyd & LROs

You wrote:

> Does anyone have recommendations re forward-facing fold-up seats to
> mount in the rear of a SIII LWB HT ?

I am currently constructing just this for my 110 Hardtop. It is a 
design as you go job so I am not yet sure what it will look like. So 
far I've made four seats and backs. This was done taking a 495x395 
(300x395 for the back) 17mm chipboard, putting a piece of packing chipped foam (sponge) on 
top and covering with aritficial leather. All this was from scrap 
materials.

For the rest I am not yet quite sure. Thinking of making a 25mm angle 
iron frame to fit these on and then .....
                               _
                              /  /
                             /  /
                            /_/
                              /
           +------__<>O  <---- Folding gadget
           |------____ /   +----- Sliding rail with bolts
           |              /    |
           L______/     V
[======T===T=======================]

                                 100mm space for easy entry/exit
       |                           |                         |
       |                          V                         |
       +--------------------+       +--------------------+
       |                      |       |                      |
       |                      |       |                      |    
       |                      |       |                      |
       +--------------------+       +--------------------+
       []                     []     []                     []
       +--------------------+       +--------------------+
       |                      |       |                      |
       +--------------------+       +--------------------+
       |                                                     |

Let me know if you get any better ideas

Greetings

Gawie
Gawie van Blerk
---------------------------------------------------------------
Internet : A48462@bfnnfs01.eskom.co.za (work)
         : gawie@pixie.co.za (home)
URL      : http://www.pix.za/0/business/bloemfontein/gawie.html
Tel      : 27+51+404-2421
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Date: 04 Sep 95 08:27:38 EDT
From: Mark Ritter <70472.1130@compuserve.com>
Subject: Lock-Rite diff on Disco

About a week ago I installed a Lock-Rite locking diff in the rear of my
Disco.The install took about 6 hours ( never been inside a diff before) and
invlved removing the spider and side gears and replacing them with dog clutches.
Once done I took the vehicle out for a quick trial run. On the street there was
no change except for a mild clicking noise as ththe outside wheel unlocks so
that it can travel faster in a turn. This is not an objectionable sound and is
minimized be using a heavy diff lube such a Lucas (no relation) oil stabilizer.
I found a road construction site that provided an 18" embankment so tthat I
could get two wheels of the Disco off the ground (the acid test). I stopped the
vehicle going uphill with the right front and left wheels hanging in mid air and
with the center diff lock off just idled up the embankment. The second test was
a steep 30' uneven slope about 15" high. normally this obstacle requires a good
bit of momentum to overcome due to getting cross axeled. The Lock-rite equipped
Disco just crawled up with no tire spin or drama, and with much more control.
I can heartily reccomend this product for the auto box Disco. The company is
conducting tests on other Rovers ( I believe they already have a unit for the
RR). The series vehicles had some problems initially due to the slop in their
drivetrain but the company had devised a solution to this and is currenty
testing it.
The units run about $400 and for someone with a bit of mechanical experience
installation will not be a problem. you do not have to reset the pinion as you
use your original carrier. The phone # for the company is:
			1-800-Lockers
								
The units come with a one year warranty and unlike some other difflocks are
simple and robust like the vehicles we love. Just think now I can get stuck
where NOBODY ELSE can get to!

				Mark Ritter 94 Disco

      ps. Tell Lock-Rite you saw it on the Rover-Net

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From: Andrew Grafton <A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: LR SIII HT forward facing seats
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 95 13:36:12 BST

> > Does anyone have recommendations re forward-facing fold-up seats to
> > mount in the rear of a SIII LWB HT ?

In case you missed it, I'll repeat that the rear seat from one of the
older, smaller Suzuki jeeps (the kind that kept falling over going round
corners) fits nicely between the wheel boxes of a LWB, facing forward or
turned around to face backwards.  The back of the seat folds down as
required and you could add a pivot on the front to allow the seats to
fold up near the front of the load-bed if required.

Fitting is simple, using a few blocks of wood and bolts.  Ours is bolted
onto the load-bed and is removeable in its entirety by undoing the bolts,
leaving the pickup bed flat and 'untouched'

All the best,

Andy
A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk

P.S. Getting in and out is accomplished by climing over the seats!

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From: Dr Peter Ramsay <RAMSAYP@geology.und.ac.za>
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 15:15:19 +0200 (SAST)
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Hi all

Greetings from sunny South Africa!  Since BMW took control of Land 
Rover in South Africa they have been causing quite a bit of trouble 
for the smaller, non-BMW approved service garages and threatening 
these guys with legal action because they use the trade mark "Land 
Rover" or similar such as "Landy" in their business name.  Most of 
these companies have been around much longer than the relatively new 
BMW-Land Rover take over.  Could anyone in the group know if this is 
happening in other parts of the world and if so how successful are 
the Land Rover service garages in opposing the BMW action.  I would 
appreciate any correspondence.

Best wishes

Peter

PS. Proud owner of a 1984 110 V8 pick-up fondly refered to as "The 
Brick with an Aircraft Engine".
**********************************************************************
Dr Peter J Ramsay
Marine Geoscience Unit
P O Box 18091
Dalbridge, 4014
Durban
South Africa
Tel (+2731) 811260
Fax (+2731) 2602280
**********************************************************************

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Date: 04 Sep 95 09:58:51 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Introducing: EUROLINK

Just thought I'd throw this in here, in case it interests anybody. As the
subject matter implies, it is of primary interest to European-based
LR owners and European LR clubs.

The following is a draft letter from and by Krister Bergknut, Hon.Chairman of
the Swedish Land Rover Club ("Svensk Land Rover Klubb") but who is currently
resident in Norway and also closely affiliated with the Norwegian LRC.
I'm forwarding this 'as is' to let the Internet roverheads know what's going
on at committee level in the European LR club scene...

***********************
BEGIN of forwarded text
***********************

"The Future of EUROLINK
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

The future of EUROLINK was discussed in Hunderfossen when the Norwegian
Land Rover Club celebrated its 20 birthday.
Some 25 people from seven countries and 15 LR clubs took part in the
discussion. ARC was represented by Andrew Stavordale, secretary.
LRO had sent Sue Combridge to cover the event and she was as well involved
in the discussions about EUROLINK.

The aim of EUROLINK is to link Land Rover owners in Europe, and the rest of
the world, together.
This will be done in three ways:
- encourage one or several clubs to arrange an annual meeting where the
"grand Finale" is the first Saturday in August. With a fixed date like that
You can plan Your vacations several years ahead.
- keep a current and updated list of Land Rover Clubs in Europe and the
rest of the world. It was very clear in the meeting that this is an
important task.
- keep a list of events over the year in different countries.

Please send a complete address of your club, with telephone and
telefax-number and e-mail address if there is one. Add the mobile telephone
number of some person available for contact - you might need an instant
contact if you are in a foreign country and need assistance!
This list of addresses might be regularly published in LRO and by ARC. We
will try to make it available in Internet.

The celebration of 50 Years Land Rover was discussed and the meeting came
to the following conclusion:
There will be many opportunities to participate in celebrations in England
1998, for those who wish to go there and can afford it. A EUROLINK meeting
in England can never compete with existing arrangements.
The Dutch and/or German Land Rover Clubs have suggested that they arrange a
meeting to celebrate Land Rover 50 Years somewhere in Holland or Germany.
This suggestion was strongly supported by ARC, and Andrew Stavordale
promised the full support from ARC.
We will do our best to get full support from Land Rover - of course."
------------------------------------------------------------------------

*********************
END of forwarded text
*********************

FYI, Krister Bergknut can be e-mailed at krister.bergknut@postbox.postnet.se
Maybe someone would like to offer him and the EUROLINK project a 'niche' in
one of the established and well-known Roverweb-sites? Or what about
http://www.tvnorge.no/~terje/ ? (you out there, Terje? Quit lurkin'...)
Would seem like the appropriate place to me.
BTW this EUROLINK thing is an *inter-club project* at committee level,
so don't bombard poor Krister with individual mails. Instead, get in touch
with your club, find out if there's interest, and have someone of at least
committee status, preferably the Prez or Secretary, get in touch with
Krister. The idea is to organize and concentrate, and not to scatter and
dissipate efforts.
Another example of what EUROLINK is supposed to be about: One project
discussed at the meeting in Norway (though Krister hasn't mentioned it
above) was to organize competitive events in the manner of 'Trophys' where
mixed crews are teamed up from different clubs and nationalities; so, a
winner would be "Team so-and-so", and not 'Club A' or 'Country B'.

Enjoy,

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Date: Mon,  4 Sep 95 08:20:03 PDT
From: steve gross <sgross@enet.net>
Subject: RE: Soft tops on the D90

Regarding repair or replacement of the Tickford top on the D90, the official policy of LRNA is to replace snaps that break 
locally.  If a zipper breaks or any other damage occurs, the top is to be replaced with a reconditioned Tickford (Not 
Bestop).  There is a special part number for reconditioned Tickford tops.  

-steve

Stephen C. Gross
Pilot B737
America West Airlines
Phoenix, AZ

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 11:55:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Bull Bars, Bambi, Skippy, & Moo

Well, I've bitten my tounge long enough.  Two subjects not, as of yet,
introduced in this thread are 1) offensive use of a Moo Bar, and 2) hitting
Bossie without one.

Of the first: During an end-of-the-day, heated argument with the owner of a
car wash (details withheld), he had one of his minions roll sand-filled
plastic barrels (oil drum- size, partially filled) accross the drive to close
off the entrance (he does it every night).  However, I was trapped on the
inside, and after breaking it off with the owner, I exited straight through
one of the barrels at about 20 mph.  I took the obstruction in the right side
of the bar, exploding the barrel and throwing it about 80 feet.  The only
mark to my RR was a slight black scrub on the wing, where the bar flexed back
on impact and touched the body.  The bar sprung back to it's original
position after absorbing the shock, and the black rubbed off later with a
cloth.

The second:  Back in the early '70's I was driving my IIa (no Moo Bar)
through open range in Nevada, when a calf jumped in front of 'ol Lulubelle.
 I took her square on at about 45 mph, tossing her on the hood, off the
windshield, and then back to the pavement when I braked.  Except for an
enormous amount of **** all over the screen & hood ( she lost all bowel &
bladder control), the Rover was unscathed.  The calf, however, did not fare
so well.  After driving some 20 miles to find the rancher, he put her away
due to a broken back.  Anyway, it all turned out OK (except for the calf).
 The rancher had veal for a month, Lulubelle was undamaged, and I had a good
time filling out the insurance form to replace his livestock.

Tony

-

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Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 09:05:49 -0700
From: mgunson@ucla.edu (The Gunson's)

I'm about to purchase a Discovery.  My question is this--Do I need a skid
plate if I plan on truly abusing my vehicule in the dirt?  The dealer
yesterday said that he could order a Camel Trophy Skid Plate and that it
would have no effect on the air bags because the crumple zone is higher than
the plate.  He said I really don't need it though.  I've read that the skid
plate interferes with the airbags.  Please help.  If I can save money by not
getting the skid plate and still have the assurance that I'm not going to
ruin my car then great.  If the skid plate messes up the airbags then my
mind is made up for me.  Thanks for your help.

Mike.

________________________________________________

"Nothing to the supramental sense is really finite; it is founded on a
feeling of  all in each and of each in all."

                                                                            
   -Sri Aurobindo

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Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 09:07:54 -0700
From: mgunson@ucla.edu (The Gunson's)
Subject: Skid Plates on Discovery

I'm about to purchase a Discovery.  My question is this--Do I need a skid
plate if I plan on truly abusing my vehicule in the dirt?  The dealer
yesterday said that he could order a Camel Trophy Skid Plate and that it
would have no effect on the air bags because the crumple zone is higher than
the plate.  He said I really don't need it though.  I've read that the skid
plate interferes with the airbags.  Please help.  If I can save money by not
getting the skid plate and still have the assurance that I'm not going to
ruin my car then great.  If the skid plate messes up the airbags then my
mind is made up for me.  Thanks for your help.

Mike.

________________________________________________

"Nothing to the supramental sense is really finite; it is founded on a
feeling of  all in each and of each in all."

                                                                            
   -Sri Aurobindo

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Date:  Mon, 4 Sep 1995 12:15:00 -0400 
From: "christian (c.j.) szpilfogel" <chrisz@bnr.ca>
Subject:  Discovery Oil changes 

While we're on this topic of oil changes, I thought I'ld pose a
question.

I will be doing an oil change, shortly, on my Discovery and just for the
heck of it, I decided to read the owner's manual. Everything looked quite
typical except for one thing; the manual says that you are to refill the
sump with oil BEFORE you change the oil filter. Apparently this is to
prevent the oil pump from being drained.

I've never before seen such a requirement. Is it in fact necessary? Am I
likely to do any more damage on this vehicle as compared to any other
vehicle if I change as usual (i.e. empty oil, change filter, refill oil)?
How much of the old oil is in fact left in the vehicle to contaminate the
new oil?

I asked the dealer about this and they were surprised to see it. I guess
they don't do it this way!

Cheers,

  -Christian
   '95 Discovery

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date:          Mon, 4 Sep 1995 11:28:51 GMT -0600
Subject:       Series swivel pin preload

Has anyone out there in Roverdom checked the swivel pin preload *after* 
fitting the swivel seals? Out of curiosity maybe?
A couple of years ago I rebuilt mine and I guess I set it a might high. 
Anyway, the steering was a bit stiff, and seems to have gotten a little 
stiffer, but I didn't have time to take it back apart.
I want to put in some more shims but I'd rather not have to pull out the 
seals right now. So I'm hoping someone might have an idea what the preload 
is, on average, with seals in place.
If not, I guess I'll just mesure it before, and then add shims to lower it a 
few pounds. 
Thanks

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date:          Mon, 4 Sep 1995 11:37:46 GMT -0600
Subject:       Re: 

Mike writes:
> I'm about to purchase a Discovery.  My question is this--Do I need a skid
> plate if I plan on truly abusing my vehicule in the dirt?  The dealer
> yesterday said that he could order a Camel Trophy Skid Plate and that it
> would have no effect on the air bags because the crumple zone is higher than
> the plate.  He said I really don't need it though.  I've read that the skid
Snip 

Why would you buy a $30,000 car and then "plan on truly abusing" it? 
Buy a jeep.
However, if you are intent on abusing it, then a skid plate will certainly 
help it to last longer; however, even a skidplate won't protect it from real 
abuse.
If you are a careless driver, or a careful one but drive alot in very rocky 
terrain, then a skidplate is probably warranted.
The "Camel Trophy Skid Plate" sounds like a name tacked onto something so 
they can charge you more. I'd do a little price comparison. 

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date:          Mon, 4 Sep 1995 11:41:42 GMT -0600
Subject:       Re: Discovery Oil changes 

Theoretically, I suppose it is better for the engine, since when it starts 
there is less time for it to run with no oil (that's when the most damage is 
done to an engine). My solution is to disconnect the switch to coil wire and 
crank the engine until the oil light goes out.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: Grahame.Harden@BRI.NRC.CA
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 13:18:02 -0400
Subject: Deseasiel

The joys and more joys of the UK's great rush to become a Euro-Law
society... OK, so I've got a gripe because my heap fails to meet
Brussel's modern motoring requirements. Smoking diesel, to me a 
Landrover, to the police... some revenue. Question is, pump or
timing? Here's what I've seen: The head's been off (last time to
collect a dropped insert), the bores, pistons, rings are all within
acceptable parameters. When I nailed it back last, she had new injectors,
etc. The pumps done 50K miles, no water has got that far since I've
had the car. The smoke pours out regardless of timing.

I'd like to avoid having Lucas strip the pump, if it's not the 
problem, but I feel it is.... anybody want to agree? Other 
things I should look at, I mean I haven't had the timing cover
off to check the chain, gearing to the pump etc., at 50K...
seems not worth the hassle. Anybody tell me what wear the system
can tolerate.

The symptoms on the road: Cruising on the level, no smoke at all!
Slight foot down and/or perceptible gradient... great black clouds
of soot. Up a mountain pass... Jesus! Overrun is OK, no smoke.
When cold, not too bad just unburnt diesel on the level. Sounds
to me like advance?? on the pump. The valve guides are OK on overrun,
bores fine on the level. Crankcase pressure is nought, no water
used. The engine is quiet (well....) smooth and well up on go.

Thing is, you floor the pedal in neutral and you can't breath.
Since this is how they test emmissions here in the UK, I've
got a problem. 

I've been running the heap in Finland for the past 2 years, and 
Australia before that, so as a foreign vehicle it could spew out
enough to cause the next global winter. Actually it wasn't soooo
bad in Finland, they use the heavily refined diesel, but still
way beyond the likes of the British MoT man. Has anybody tried
adding oxygenates to diesel fuel? Thought of mixing 10% MTBE
in the fuel just for the MoT... all I want is that piece of paper.

Cheers for the help,   Grahame

------------------------------

From: "John Groome" <johng.iafrica.com@minnie.iafrica.com>
Date:          Mon, 4 Sep 1995 19:15:10 +0200
Subject:       Re: LR books

>From:          "GAWIE VAN BLERK" <A48462@bfnnfs01.eskom.co.za>
>To:            Land-Rover-Owner@uk.stratus.com
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 21 lines)]
>> Does anyone have recommendations re forward-facing fold-up seats to > mount in the rear of a SIII LWB HT ? 
>I am currently constructing just this for my 110 Hardtop. It is a design as you go job so I am not yet sure what it will look like. So far I've made four seats and backs. This was done taking a 495x395 (300x395 for the back) 17mm chipboard, putting a pi
ece of packing chipped foam (sponge) on top and covering with aritficial leather. All this was from scrap materials. 
>For the rest I am not yet quite sure. Thinking of making a 25mm angle iron frame to fit these on and then .....                                _                               /  /                              /  /                             /_/        
>To:            Land-Rover-Owner@uk.stratus.com
                       /            +------__<>O  <---- Folding gadget            |------____ /   +----- Sliding rail with bolts            |              /    |            L______/     V [======T===T=======================] 
>                                 100mm space for easy entry/exit        |                           |                         |        |                          V                         |        +--------------------+       +--------------------+     
>To:            Land-Rover-Owner@uk.stratus.com
   |                      |       |                      |        |                      |       |                      |           |                      |       |                      |        +--------------------+       +--------------------+        
[]                     []     []                     []        +--------------------+       +--------------------+        |                      |       |                      |        +--------------------+       +--------------------+        |         
                                            |        |                                                     | 
>Let me know if you get any better ideas 
>To:            Land-Rover-Owner@uk.stratus.com
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>Greetings 
>Gawie Gawie van Blerk --------------------------------------------------------------- Internet : A48462@bfnnfs01.eskom.co.za (work)          : gawie@pixie.co.za (home) URL      : http://www.pix.za/0/business/bloemfontein/gawie.html Tel      : 27+51+404-
2421 --------------------------------------------------------------- 
>Let me know if you get any better ideas 
>To:            Land-Rover-Owner@uk.stratus.com

Hi

I have been thinking of something along the same lines.  I have a 
SIIa hard top and need something for my kids to sit on.

I was thinking of a few bucket seats mounted on a steel frame of some 
sort.  I saw a landy with this sort of set up at Goldreef City.  It 
only had one seet in the back but it could clearly have up to 6 seets 
installed in this way.

Best wishes

John
John Groome
PO Box 12628
Benoryn
1504
South Africa

Tel : +27 11 973-3403
Fax : +27 11 973-3283
Cell: +27 82 442-6281

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From: LAW142@aol.com
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 14:55:31 -0400
Subject: IMPROTIMG LAND ROVERS INTO THE U.S.

I HAD A GOOD RESPONSE TO MY FIRST OFFER OF INFORMATION ON IMPORTING LRs INTO
THE U.S.   IF YOU STILL NEED INFORMATION JUST ASK.  I IMPORTED A 1969 SIIA
109 SAFARI 5DOOR WITH A PETROL ENGINE.  I HAD NO PROBLEMS AND NO SPECIAL FEES
OR MODIFICATION REQUIREMENTS.

DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHERE I CAN GET A CAMEL TROPHY STICKER FOR MY LR AND A
PATCH TO SEW ON  A HAT OR JACKET?

ARE THERE ANY SERIES LAND ROVER OWNERS IN TEXAS?

CAN ANYONE HELP ME FIND THE ARTICLE IN LRW ABOUT THE DO IT YOURSELF SNORKLE
(RAISED AIR INTAKE)?  I NEED TO BUILD ONE FOR MY LR SIIA  3.5LITRE
V8(1978ENGINE).

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Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 11:22:42 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Insurance for U.S. Series Rovers

>     --  driving not more than 2,500 miles per year

How would they know if the Odometer doesn't work?  8^)  This wouldn't work 
for me, since, although I rarely drive it much regularly, I do a lot more 
than this when going on holiday.

>     --  no driving to work

Does it include finding me work downtown or near Bart? 8^)

>     --  vehicle to be garaged (carported?)

Obviously, this guy doesn't live in SF!  8^)

>  the annual premium was quoted at $180.  [For more information contact

Wow!  That's what I pay *per month* on my 109"!  Maybe I *should* give this 
guy a call!

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 15:11:28 -0400
From: bbonner@mail.htp.com (Brian Bonner)
Subject: Hampton CLassic off road clinic

Anyone interested in going to this next year can contact:

Winnie Kelly  1-800-386-9226

I met someone from Colorado was at this years event.
                                        
                                   -=>Brian<=-

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Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 13:36:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: "John C. White III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: Jeeps And Other Mistakes

Yes, Clayton, $39 for the 7500 mile physical is right.  That's about what 
I paid, too.

Cheers!
John
'95 5spd Discovery
San Francisco, California

On Wed, 30 Aug 1995, Clayton Kirkwood wrote:

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> On Aug 30,  8:44am, Stuart Williams wrote:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 23 lines)]
> -- 
> Clayton R. Kirkwood, FM1-58, 916 356-5838

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Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 18:49:27 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Exhaust wrap

Just got back from Penlan Farm and the site of the Mid-Atlantic Rover 
Rally...used the teeter-totter as a ramp and fitted a new SS front pipe 
wrapped with fiberglas tape.  This stuff is *great*.  On an 85 degree run 
home, my feet were *much* cooler and happier.  It also seemed quieter.  The 
only negative fact is that I didn't wear long pants, sleeves and gloves 
fitting the stuff :-(  Anyway, I'd reccommend it to anyone trying to keep 
their feet cooler - it really works.  Cheers
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 11:16:23 +0930
From: Tiffany Downing <tiffanyd@tafe.sa.edu.au>
Subject: Re: IMPROTIMG LAND ROVERS INTO THE U.S.

At 02:55 PM 4/09/95 -0400, you wrote:

>I HAD A GOOD RESPONSE TO MY FIRST OFFER OF INFORMATION ON IMPORTING LRs INTO
>THE U.S.   IF YOU STILL NEED INFORMATION JUST ASK.  I IMPORTED A 1969 SIIA
>109 SAFARI 5DOOR WITH A PETROL ENGINE.  I HAD NO PROBLEMS AND NO SPECIAL FEES
>OR MODIFICATION REQUIREMENTS.    <SNIP>  ......etc

No insult meant but next time try not to SHOUT! It makes it much easier to read.

Cheers  :-)

Tiffany Downing

********************************************
Co-ordinator, International Student Programs
TAFE South Australia, AUSTRALIA
Phone:   (61 8) 226 3202
Fax:     (61 8) 226 3655
E-Mail:  tiffanyd@tafe.sa.edu.au
********************************************

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Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 22:24:58 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Frames

Following several threads on frames, I heard a rumor a while ago that Steve 
Walker Frames was picking up lock, stock and bushings and moving to the US 
to resume operations.  Anyone hear anything?
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 22:38:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Stuart H. Moore-Roanoke College" <SMOORE@ACC.ROANOKE.EDU>
Subject: needing parts

Hello rover lovers.  Haven't written in a while since I haven't
been working on my rover.  I am off and running once again on its
restoration.

     The transmission is in pieces on my shop table and two gears
have been ordered.  While I am heavily involved with the tranny
does anyone out there have an overdrive they would like to part
with at a reasonable price?  I hope so.  It would be much easier to
go ahead and install it now than later.

     Also what is the best treatment for the frame while I can
easily get to it?  It is still partially painted but needs some
attention.  It is still in excellent shape and I want to keep it
that way.

     Last thing, I need front springs.  The current springs are
custom made from 2-ton Dodge truck leaf springs and are way to
stiff.  I guess I should tell you that the patient is a 1961 Series
II 88".  Thanks for any and all help!  Now we'll see if I can get
the tranny back together....

                                                  Thanks
                    
                                                  Stuart Moore
                                                  Roanoke College
                                                  Salem, Virginia

                                                  '61 Series II 88"
                                                  '59 MGA Roadster
                                                  '68 MGB-GT
                                                  '74 MGB Roadster
                                                  '39 Studebaker
                                                      Champion

p.s. Someone posted mail a few days ago about an Electric wench
already mounted to a LR bumper for $150.00.  I somehow lost that
message.  If you still have it let me know.  I'm interested.  Or
call me at (540)389-2454.  Thanks.

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Date: 04 Sep 95 22:48:13 EDT
From: Robert Dennis <73363.427@compuserve.com>
Subject: Illegible ASCII Text

Is it just me or has anyone else had trouble decifering the ASCII text that
has been on this forum lately. It has been a while since anything came across
that has not taken me a while to decifer/recognize. If it is just me, or CIS,
I will try to make adjustments. I have not had this problem on messages sent
through Compuserve, just those from LRO-Digest.

 I hate missing all the pictures especially after the effort that is put into
them.<g>

 Rob Dennis
 Atlanta, GA USA
 73363.427@Compuserve.com
 04-Sep-1995

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Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 22:01:09 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Techy Question

For you technical types in our midst a couple of questions.  What are the 
two studs on the front engine cover of the IIA for?  They are on the 
right hand side about level with the lower rad hose and on my vehicle 
they have a nut and lock washer on them but they don't hold anything on, 
in fact they look like something is missing!  I suspect a pump of some 
kind might mount there but I have never seen one in my 8 Land Rovers.  
Second question.  I was always taught that to time an engine with a 
vacuum gauge you set the timing for max " of Hg and then backed off just 
a tad.  Today I did a timing light set up and I was way too advanced.  I 
reset the igniting to about 3 degrees BTDC and all my misfire left and no 
ping but the vacuum dropped 3" of Hg.  It is still between the 17 and 20 
required of a properly tuned engine however.  
So far no one has responded to my trade of a diesel pump for a good Solex 
carb and manifold.  I also have a new Zenith rebuild kit if someone wants 
to trade a Solex kit for it or has something to trade otherwise about 
$10.00 should do it.  Dave VE4PN

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: Discovery Oil changes
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 12:37:49 +0930 (CST)

Christian asks:

> I've never before seen such a requirement. Is it in fact necessary? Am I
> likely to do any more damage on this vehicle as compared to any other
> vehicle if I change as usual (i.e. empty oil, change filter, refill oil)?

While I cant speak for the disco I assume that the oil system is basically the
same as early rangies and other 3.5 V8's.  
It is rather too easy to drain the oil pump dry if you are not carefull.
(= quick).  I dont know about refilling the sump first, but I always  fill
the new filter and fit it immediately the old one is out the way.  I made the
mistake of letting her drain just a little too long (no oil in sump) a few
months back when I forgot to have the filter handy, cant have been more than
a minute or so, but on refill no oil pressure........
It was possible for me to reprime the pump without resorting to pulling it
down and packing with white petroleum grease, but not a job I'd like to
repeat.... 

 How much of the old oil is in fact left in the vehicle to contaminate the
> new oil

No Idea, 16 X what ever is in the lifters, and a couple of hundred ml for oil
galleries and good luck I guess. 0.5 - 1L I suppose? 

-- 

  Daryl

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From: Omar_Ghattas@PTARMIGAN.WARP.CS.CMU.EDU
Subject: 1996 U.S. Discovery engine?
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 95 23:48:53 -0400

I've heard that for the U.S., the 1996 Discovery will come with a 4.0L
V8, as opposed to the 3.9L of the 1995 model. Does anyone know
anything about this engine? Is it identical to the 4.0 of the current
Range Rover? 

The 1995 U.S. Disco and Range Rover engines differ little on paper (same
bore, stroke 1mm longer in the 4.0; 3947cc vs 3950cc displacement; max
horsepower of 182 for the 3.9 vs 190 for the 4.0; similar max
torques), but I understand that the Range Rover 4.0 engine has
redesigned fuel management, pistons, connecting rods, etc, and is thus
more refined and quieter. 

So is the 4.0L Discovery worth waiting for? Any other changes worth
mentioning? 

Many thanks,
Omar

========================================================================
Omar Ghattas                                 ghattas@cmu.edu
Computational Mechanics Laboratory           (412) 268-2949 (office)
Carnegie Mellon University                   (412) 268-2940 (secretary)
Pittsburgh, PA 15213                         (412) 268-7813 (fax) 

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Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 21:13:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: "John C. White III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: Illegible ASCII Text

It's not just you, Robert.  The problem is probably the default line 
lengths and tab stop spacings.  These tend to lose a lot in translation.  
That's why we get weirdness instead of the pictures the authors/artists 
intended.

Shears!
John
San Francisco, California

On 4 Sep 1995, Robert Dennis wrote:

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> Is it just me or has anyone else had trouble decifering the ASCII text that
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 20 lines)]
>  Atlanta, GA USA
>  73363.427@Compuserve.com
>  04-Sep-1995

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 22:23:08 -0700
From: rlarson@lsil.com (Rick Larson)
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

>From: jpappa01@interserv.com
>Date: Fri, 1 Sep 95 19:53:18 PDT
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
>and matching SS running boards. Remember that black was not a regular
>production code until `95 - which replaced the Arles Blue color of the `94
>models. Regular `95 MY black D90s have same equipment as every other D90...

My 1994 Bluga Black, Grey Leather Trim (Really black leather, dispite what
it says on the window sticker), optioned D90 is  number 1892.  Despite the
flyers floating around in late Aug./Sept, black D90's didn't make it to So.
Cal until Jan./Feb. of '95.  I know a few '95s actually beat the Black '94
into the San Diego dealership.  One day the SD dealership actually had 3 on
site.  Mine and someone elses in for 1000 mile check ups and some accessory
installs.  (Heard the someone elses one was obtained through
"connections"). The dealers also had one on the sales floor.  Kinda of hard
to make a "Limited Production" pitch that day.....  Fortunately, no one
bothered to add the stainless stuff to mine.
At both the SD and San Jose dealerships I got a number of "Where did you get
the Black D90?" questions. (Mission Viejo)  They seemed to be on the edge of
their seats waiting for theirs to arrive.  The saleman/owner of the Mission
Viejo dealer ship claimed the "Limited"  addition models were being held
back
as incentive for dealers to move to exclusively LR dealerships.  The
numbers he gave me were 80 Limited Addition D90's for 83 dealerships.  ( I
still ended up paying significantly less than sticker, probably wasn't
completely suckered anyway.  Actually had better deals going but liked the
Black.)  It did bum me
out that Bluga Black became a "standard" color in '95.  Did make it much
less limited.  Little things like cheapening "limited" additions like that
should be avoided in LRNA hopes to build customer loyalty.

>- The builders plate number between 19XX and the first `95's - also 19XX. The
>units are basically built in production batches... My `95 D90 is one of the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>Latest models feature steering wheel chest pads with LR logo embossed into
>it...
Damn, I knew I should have waited.... ( Smiley for the humor impaired => :-) )

Thanks for the info.

-Rick
'94 D90

>cheerz
>Jim - Rover and out...
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
>`95 D90 #1958
>`

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Date: Mon, 04 Sep 1995 22:05:34 +0100
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Re: Illegible ASCII Text

 Robert Dennis <73363.427@compuserve.com> writes:

>Is it just me or has anyone else had trouble decifering the ASCII text
...snip...
>I hate missing all the pictures especially after the effort that is put into
 them.<g>

 It's the same problem as in some text messages.  Endeavor to keep your lines
 at less than 80 characters total (78 is even better!).  Hard returns at each
 line help too.

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       {O__,   \    {
         / .  . )    \
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 Warning: Squirrels!

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: Trialing Regs
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 15:28:57 +0930 (CST)

Steve points out that ARC Rules permit modification to Land-rovers for
trialing but do not permit the use of non-Rover powerplants:

Perhaps you could negotiate with the club to be allowed to run in the trial
but not "compete"? (ie not be "officially scored) Just a thought.

Here in Sth OZ we are really just getting started trialing wise.  We are
currently basing our "guidelines" on ARC Regs for lack of a better starting
point.  It will be many years before we graduate to the big league, at the
moment it is purely a "clubby" thing and not really taken all that seriously
(of course I say this, I got stuck and required winching during the last
trial:-(. 
One problem we will face is classifying engine mods.  Holden GM and to a lesser
degree Ford 6 and 8 cyl conversions are very common.  But should a 2.25L
holden 6 run in the same class as a 2.25L LR 4cyl or should it run in the
same class as a 3.3L holden 6, or 4.1L Ford six????

Currently these questions are academic for us but will pose a problem in the
future.. 

Maybe not however, we are finding that most of the top place getters in our
trials are driving standard rover fodder typically sIIa 109's and 80" SI's.
The occasional Disco/Rangie and Stage 1 pop up in the winners circles too.

oh well best of luck
-- 

  Daryl

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From: "GAWIE VAN BLERK" <A48462@bfnnfs01.eskom.co.za>
Date:          Tue, 5 Sep 1995 08:19:37 GMT+200
Subject:       Re: Illegible ASCII Text

Hi Robert
>  I hate missing all the pictures especially after the effort that is put into
> them.<g>

If you are refering to the pictures of the seats..

I am guilty. Sorry, my editor was not set to a proportional font and 
this is a must if you work from windows and you want your pictures to 
work.

Greetings

Gawie
Gawie van Blerk
---------------------------------------------------------------
Internet : A48462@bfnnfs01.eskom.co.za (work)
         : gawie@pixie.co.za (home)
URL      : http://www.pix.za/0/business/bloemfontein/gawie.html
Tel      : 27+51+404-2421
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Date: Mon, 04 Sep 1995 23:57:47 -0700
From: rover@europa.com (Brad Krohn/Deborah Shannon)
Subject: Portland All-British Field Meet

Just a few words about Portland, Oregon's All British Field Meet this past
holiday weekend.

I'm sure we'll hear from Ben Smith who, last I saw him, had the "official"
count at 45+ Landies -- with plate numbers and serial numbers recorded for
most of them (Ben...we need to talk about this obsessive streak <g>).
Amazingly enough, his was the only Series III in sight - an award winner for
that...

The California contigent (Jim Russell, Nick Baggarly, Ben) held down the far
corner of Roverville, away from the "dust-free" British vehicles -- and had
the best sight lines for no less than FIVE Doormobiles, including the John
Hess cross-country model and a Doormob picked up by my beast's PO for an
amazing price: absolutely fully equipped, except for missing the original
water bottles up front. 

Other "net-ables" in attendance: John Benham, Terri Ann, and I'm told,
Granville Pool.

Mostly a static show until Sunday, when the playground (usually a motocross
course with a few specially set up off-course excursions) was opened to all
(local dealer had provided Disco and D90 rides on Saturday). When last seen,
Ben was packing up his 12-string after six circuits and, he said, having to
unholster the WD40 in mid-mud pit. I pleaded bad electrics (OK, so we all
can use that one!) and avoided it on my three trips around -- yet still
amazed myself with the continuing durability of my '69, which has been
having an off-year (as opposed to off-road year) with starter, clutch
hydraulic, water pump, and now generator woes [and a lack of time to get her
back to health]. 

Ben, BTW, made a good showing for the Canadian chaps. A stack of OVLR
newsletters on the wing (great stuff, Dixon!) and a big OVLR sign on the
windscreen - plus photos galore so we now know what you look like in your
natural element!

Cheers <Brad>
======================================================
"Rover? Who drives it?"	         rover@europa.com <or>
"That would be telling"	   Brad_Krohn@ccm.hf.intel.com  
=====The Prisoner=====================================	

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