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From: Andrew Grafton <A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: UK Fax Nos.
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 10:46:26 BST

For LR parts etc?  Or anything in particular?  Or all of them
(there are *lots*)    ;-)

Happy to help if you are a bit mmore specific.

All the best,

Andy
A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk

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From: Andrew Grafton <A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Series III Troubles.......
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 10:50:48 BST

 During one of my stops I removed the passenger seat,  the cover panel, and
> withdrew the feed tube from the tank.   Isn't there supposed to be a wire or
 fiber mesh type 'sock' over the end of the feed tube?    Well,  if so,  it's
> not there.  Anyone know the name and or part number of this 'sock' if its
 necessary?

I think so...  No ideas about part numbers

>  it tricks me into thinking that I have more gas than I actually do.   Should
> I bend the float arm up or down to accomplish this?

Bend the float arm up to make it look like there is less gas in
the tank.

All the best,

Andy
A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk

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From: Andrew Grafton <A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Alternator... fixed
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 10:56:57 BST

Thanks to all those who helped with the charge light 
disgnosis.

That was the problem, and it is now working fine.

Stupid design if you ask me.  Definitely *not* fail-
safe!

All the best,
Andy
A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk

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Date: 21 Aug 95 06:04:13 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: back again; misc.replies

Hi, I'm back again.

My 'round tour of Europe' (well, almost) begann with Billing... then 3 days
London, on to Paris, showed the kids around and took them to Euro-Disney
($$$... ouch!), two days at home, and then on to Lillehammer/Norway to the
20th Anniversary meet of the Norwegian Land Rover Club.  Wrecked the
transmission offroading in the Norwegian wildernis, made the 1,800 km back
home through Norway, Sweden, Denmark and half of Germany towing a 18 ft
trailer just in 4th gear low and 4th high, no reverse, clanking and
grinding all the way.  Show me any other vehicle apart from a Land Rover
that can do that...  There was also near-tragedy when the brand new
Defender 110 of the chairman of the Norwegian LRC, of all people, carrying
his family and some visitors - 8 people in all - collided head-on with a
full-grown elk (moose) at dawn on a lonely road through the woods.  The elk
was killed, the Defender *very* badly damaged (but repairable - I took a
picture), but all occupants unhurt !!  Help was called by CB, the elk was
hauled away to the sausage factory (that's the usual procedure in Norway),
and the Defender towed to the camp, still dripping with blood, where the
chairman arrived in time to open the day's activities, slightly shaken, but
otherwise in good mood.  Of course he gave credit to the Land Rover for
having protected the health and life of his family.  Usually such accidents
involving elks and cars end tragic, with the car hitting the long legs of
the elk and the animal's 3/4 ton heavy body sliding across the hood and
smashing through the windscreen, crushing and killing the occupants.  With
the Land Rover, the 'breakfast', fenders, hood and engine took the full
blow of the impact, while the windscreen wasn't even broken, and the
interior was totally undamaged.  An impressive though brutal demonstration
of the Land Rover's capabilities.

Seems no one else from the list was in Norway, though there were a lot of
Brits and Dutch folks present - well, they live 'just around the corner',
so to speak.  Quite an interesting meeting, all in all.  I might post a
short summary on the event and drop some names as soon as I get things
straightened out here a bit (and the gearbox repaired).

Just some immediate responses to the most recent Digests:

** Re: JUNKED 1991 RANGE ROVER, Cliff  Kavanaugh writes:
> I have a1988 Range Rover. Are  parts interchangable between a 1988 and 1991
> Range Rover?  What % of retail should one expect to pay at a salvage yard for
> Range Rover parts?  Any parts that should be avoided?  Is power steering box

Congratulations on your trove!  Practically all parts are interchangeble,
including the steering box.  Power steering pump may be different, but you
can still replace one with the other (hoses, pulley and reservoir must be
exchanged as well).  The two main differences will be brakes and engine:
1988 - most probably 3.5 l V8 and conventional servo brakes; 1991 - again
*probably* 3.9 l V8 Injection and presumably brakes w/ABS.  Here, the
interchangeability of components is obviously limited.  Electronic components
that *look* identical can nevertheless be differently calibrated or
programmed, especially those controlling the engine.  If the wreck still has
functioning AC, pull it out right away (not forgetting the entire interior
facia and louvre which must be customized for AC, as well as the condenser
radiator in front of the normal radiator), there's no cheaper way to get AC
for the Range.  Piece of cake... eat it! (at 70% discount, of course).

** Re: Range Rover Probs, from JCassidyiv@aol.com:

> 2.)  Front windshield wipers are making a loud clunk when they reach the far
> left position of their arc.  The noise seems loudest on the driver's(left)

I'd gamble that the wiper motor has worked itself loose. A bit awkward to
get at with the Range, but otherwise no mproblem.

> 3.)  Intermittent oil level warning light.  It comes on usually when the
> vehicle is warm and parked slightly nose up.  The level is always at the high
> end of the normal end on the stick.  Could it be a faulty sender?

Most probably, yes. On the serious side, it could also be a malfunctioning
oil pump or gunk in the engine. Put in a new sensor (cheap - relatively);
if the problem persists, then start worrying.

> 4.)  Can someone re-iterate the common causes for front end clunking on the
> RR?  I get a disconcerting "clunk" while cornering at moderate and above
> speeds on the right front end.  The noise does no occur on flat pavement ...

Replace the bushings of panhard rod and front radius arms (getting out the old
bushings is the hardest part), use new nuts if possible, and tighten everyting
to the correct torque. You might have to exceed the recommended torque a
little bit to eliminate clunking if the vehicle has already clocked up a
lot of miles.

** Re: Mind Blowing Land Rover

> If you want to really blow your minds, look on page 14 of the new Popular
> Science.  It shows a SciFi  101 Forward Control of wheich 31 were built.
> It is powered by 180 HP 3.5 V8.  It is very futuristic but personally I

You were looking at the 'City Cab' of Judge Dredd (the new Stallone movie).
They had one of those on display in Billing. No rides were offered,
unfortunately. If demand is high enough, maybe they'll go into production...?

...all for now,

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 06:51:34 -0500
From: "John B. Friedman" <johannes@draco.slip.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Help on right rear turn signal malady with new Disco

There have been several posts in last month or so about people with new Discos having  
rapidly flashinbg light on dash, and no front or rear turn signal. I have the rapidly flashing  
light on dash,. flashing side marker and front lamp but no rear lamp. Changed bulb with  
known good one. No flasher. Anyone have an idea  for me to offer the dealer when I take it  
in?  Thanks. John Friedman

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Fuel Strainers and Gauges
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 08:04:00 DST

Rick Criders problem was similar to the one that afflicted us during Down 
East 1993. The strainer at the end of the fuel pickup can be replaced using 
fine brass mesh made for this purpose and available from marine engine 
dealers (or Ted Howard, in our case). Fold it into an envelope crimp and 
solder the edges then slip it over the pick up tube and solder into place. 
Be sure to make it a size that will fit though the hole in the top of the 
tank and has as much mesh area as possible(ascii diagram below). BTW our 
fuel gauge read 1/4 full at empty until I ran a separate ground wire from 
the sender to the chassis instaed of relying on continuity throught the tank 
and it mounts.

                                                                              
              ***********************************************
                 Pick Up Tube                    solder joint> * 
                                                                            
 *Mesh
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------  
 ------------------------------------------          *
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------  
 ------------------------------------------          *
                                                                              
              * 
                                                                           *
                                                                              
              ***********************************************

Trevor Easton, Grimsby, Ontario     Miss Golightly 1962 SWB SW

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From: BwanaE@aol.com
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 08:15:10 -0400
Subject: Blast  !

Hey, anybody out there have experience ( good or bad with ) the
do-it-yourself home type sand-blast units such as sold through J.C.Whitney ?
Specifically, how well do they
remove frame surface corrosion?

Pulled the body off my '64 88" today to start the restoration ball rolling...
blasting / painting the frame's the next step.

Opinions / advice anybody ?

Eric.

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From: "James" <James.Curtis@newcastle.ac.uk>
Date:          Mon, 21 Aug 1995 13:36:20 GMT0BST
Subject:       Thoroughly Ceased Track Rod!  

Hi,

I have a 1960 series II
I am currently experiencing wear on the outside half of my front left 
tyre,  I have been told that this is due to the tracking being out.

The left front is out 6 degrees and the right front is out 3 degrees,  both in the 
same direction.  
...

To cut a long story short...

How on earth do I shift a track rod that has not been shifted since 
before 1979?

The garage which I took it to to do the tracking refused to touch it!
Oh ...

Just to complicate matters...  I have very limited access to 
expensive equipment so please could I have the cheap alternatives 
before people recommend the old oxy-acetylene...  

Cheers muchly,

James  .

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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 09:30:30 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: LR Purchase

          Finally!
          Here's the scoop.
          Wednesday 8/16-
          9:15 pm: Leave Washington DC(in the
          Honda) for Potsdam, New York. Expecting it to be a
          long night.
          Thursday 8/17-
          6:00 am: Arrive at Central Tractor
          Farm and Family Center, Watertown NY. They don't
          open till 8 so we sleep two hours in the parking
          lot. 8 am, the store opens, we go inside and score
          a High Lift jack for $39.99. A bargain I'd say!
          They also have a handy little oil pump thing for
          filling diffs, Swivel balls etc, and big giant
          tubs of gear oil.
          10:00 am: Pick up Guy Arnold at work in Potsdam,
          somehow as soon as he sees me, he says "You must
          be David" I don't have "SACUL" imprinted in my
          forehead so it must've been something else. We go
          to his house, push the Rovewr out of the garage
          and go to work on the inspection. Many hours
          later, lots of frame-banging and gearbox testing
          shows the vehicle to be somewhat accurately
          priced. The frame is going but is not too late to
          be saved. No large holes or weak spots, but plenty
          of surface gunk and rust. But solid. Test drive,
          speeds of 50 are easily attained, all gears seem
          to work ok, reverse a bit noisy, holds all the gas
          we put in it, "emergency" brake test works just
          fine.  We stay over at Guys, settling on a price
          before we sack out.  Friday 12:00 noon:  After
          several tries at DMV, we have tags. Oil changed,
          tappets set, swivels balls filled, and we're off.
          On the way out of town, we get to try another
          brake test as some college boy in his Mom's
          Cutlass Ciera cuts a left turn right in front of
          us. I slam on the brakes and she stops on a dime.
          Beatiful. A bit shaken, but quite confident, I
          scold the young man and continue on my way.
          Current nickname for the Landy is "LUCKY".
          After about an hour driving through the
          Adirondacks, I feel like the heat from the
          floorboards is going to disintegrate me from the
          feet up. I'm sweating profusely and we're only
          able to go 40-50 mph, without the temp needle
          getting too high.  Questioning the wisdom of
          buying this beast, I pull over, and go to work on
          opening the rear sliding windows, as they are
          quite stuck because of the decaying channels.
          Lots of WD40 and creative use of metal objects,
          and the windows are open. At least it's a bit
          cooler, but we're still crawling. After we get on
          Route 30, the Rover magically starts going faster,
          55 and 60 no problem. About 10 miles out of
          Gloversville, she pops out of 4th. Checked tranny
          oil, level's ok but looks sort of thin. Arrive in
          Gloversville and discover that it pops out of
          first too, only when you let off the gas. Well, we
          stay overnight and in the morning call Michael
          Loidice(spelling?) in Gloversville.  He comes out
          in his IIa, and we set up shop in the Super 8
          motel parking lot. Its Rover mechanics 101 as I
          fumble with the gear oil pump thingy, and scrape
          my knuckles on the frame. Oil Changed, its over to
          Mike's place, where we glom spare parts off his
          "Fernmobile".(thanks Mike!) Several hours later
          we're on our way again, having escaped the wrath
          of Mike's young ones, who helpfully pointed out
          that "He doesn't have any dents yet, Dad" Another
          hour of driving and were on Route 88(appropriate!)
          and the temp needle is telling me to stop. I pull
          off, get the Haynes manual out and Nancy and I
          set the timing, since there's nothing obvious like
          a broken hose or antifreeze coming out. Rover
          mechanics 101 again as Nancy gets to know the hand
          crank.(watch it Dixon!) enough dicking around and
          we're off again, and the Rover is running better
          than it has since I first got in it. It gets up
          to 55 right quick with the pedal only halfway
          down.  On this leg of the journey the Speedo
          actually hits 70mph! Not claiming that was the
          actual speed, but that's what it said.  Saturday
          night we hit Baltimore at 2 am and crash at a
          friends house.  In the morning its tooling aroung
          B'more and getting plenty of clutch practice,
          filling swivel balls, which leaked surprisingly
          little considering the condition of the seals, and
          several Black and Tans. Took the windscreen down
          and fixed the squeaking hinge post that was my
          "music" for the 600 previous miles. 10 pm Sunday,
          arrive in DC, unload the beast and park it on the
          street. Drive Nancy home in the Honda, which
          feels totally weird as I squirt wiper fluid
          whenever I try to hit the turn signal. I love it.
          All in all, a very sturdy Rover that after some
          undercarriage work will be a fine example that
          should give me many years of loyal service.
          There's only 58,000 and change on the clock and
          I'm fairly certain that it's accurate. Except for
          the tranny, (which at this point is just an
          inconvenience) there's nothing that bothers me me
          about this vehicle. I drove it almost 700 miles
          this weekend and am confident that it will take me
          anywhere I want to go. Thanks to the Arnolds and
          Michael L. for their hospitality and generosity,
          hope to see you all again some time.
          Cheers!
          David R Bobeck          No Graphic!
          Washington DC
          dbobeck@ushmm.org
          202-488-6588 w
          202-337-1232 h
          '72 SIII petrol swb "LUCKY"
          '89 Honda Civic "Rice"

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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 07:29:26 -0600
From: mmurphy@evolving.com (Mark Murphy)
Subject: Land Rovers in Breckenridge

Made a trip up to Breckenridge on Friday to join a days activity
of the Land Rover sponsered 25th Anniversery party. Joined a group
of 23 different Land Rovers and a Jeep Cherokee. Fairly even split 
between Series, Discos and Range Rovers. We drove to Montezuma and
then 4WDed to the back side of Radical Hill. Gorgeous view of Webster 
Pass and Red Cone. Saw a small herd of mountain goats at the bottom 
of Radical Hill. Drove back over the St John's trail to Montezuma. 
Nothing too radical, some steep ascents and descents and alot of 
"potholes". My Disco did great (it's first 4WD outing). Little rough 
in a few spots but was a good "first" trip. Also, comforting to know 
there were at least 23 LR experts if I had any questions/problems. 
Axle articulation is great. The mogul ascents/descents left the 
Disco level even though the opposite front and rear tires were 6-8" 
higher. Axles transitioned smoothly as the Disco moved forward to the 
next set of moguls. Overall, was VERY impressed with the off-road 
capabilities. The west start of St Johns (from Radical Hill) was new 
to me - couldn't get my old Toyota PU up the first hill. Disco chugged 
right on up. Spent most of the day in "locked low". Uphill gearing in 
high and 1st just wasn't enough. Engine breaking with the 5spd in 
first gear-low is great and rarely had to use my breaks (even on the
steepest descents though I was passed my several turtles :) ). Averaged 
14-16 mpg on trip from Denver -> Breckenridge -> 4WD -> Breckenridge 
-> Denver.

(to John - can't say I really felt any detents for the transfer case
lever. Was doing all lever movements with the clutch disengaged.
Didn't get the lever in the correct position the first couple of times
and it popped back out after traveling a few feet. Clutching again and
moving the lever the second time - moved it much farther. The range of
motion made it obvious that I had it engaged. After that, I "played"
with the clutch until I got the "full lever travel".)

Went up Saturday behind Georgetown toward the Waldorf mine and
Argentine Pass. Ran into a strange, cyclic metal scrapping metal
noise coming from the front end. Stopped, looked and didn't see
anything. Started again and was gone. Drove 1/2 a mile and it was
back. Did this several more times. Didn't sound like the transmission
nor transfer case. Moving the steering wheel didn't make a difference.
Noise got worse at speed (something turning faster) and "sorta" 
corresponded to suspension movement (was worse over rough terrain). 
After a couple of miles, it disappeared. My best guess - something 
(rock/twig) caught in the brake guards? Once it was dislogged, quiet 
as can be. Haven't noticed anything since. Will have them look at my 
1000 mile fluid change. Anyone else ever experience something similar?

Spent Sunday converting my brown Disco back to white. Caravans
are nice for socialization and problems on the trail but a pain
while waiting for a "rough" section and "eating dust". 

Drove the Bronco to the body shop to have the rust removed and 
repainted before selling it. Loud, big and stiff. Definitely more 
hp/torque but then based on this weekend, I really didn't need the
extra hp/torque. Couldn't wait to get back to my Discovery!

Mark Murphy
mmurphy@evolving.com
'95 white 5spd Discovery

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From: Franz.Parzefall@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE
Subject: Snorkle for Defenders ?
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 15:52:34 +0200 (MET DST)

Dave wrote about Serie Snorkels.

Is there anybody who did such things for a Defender? I didn't
look at prices yet, but in planing to give my 110 a rised air 
intake.
Cheers Franz
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Franz Parzefall     fparzefa@physik.tu-muenchen.de
       _______
      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]           exmil. 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__.._
                                  

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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 07:08:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: "John C. White III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: Help on right rear turn signal malady with new Disco

I had a similar problem with my new Disco.  From what I can tell if one 
of the bulbs, either front or rear, is not functioning the drop in 
electrical resistance causes the breaker that opens and closes the 
circuit to open and close faster because it heats up faster.  In my case 
my left front light was "burned out."  When I removed the bulb, it turned 
out to be in perfect health.  Once I put it back in, it worked 
perfectly.  All I can guess is that my, at that time, 10 day old car had 
developed a bit of oxidation on its trip across the Atlantic.  It's now 
two months old, and I've had no trouble since.

Cheers!
John
'95 Disco
San Francisco, California

On Mon, 21 Aug 1995, John B. Friedman wrote:

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> There have been several posts in last month or so about people with new Discos having  
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> known good one. No flasher. Anyone have an idea  for me to offer the dealer when I take it  
> in?  Thanks. John Friedman

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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 10:50:46 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: mysteries...

          Howdy!
          Just a few things I couldn't figure out from the
          Manuals, looking for some help.
          1. The timing pointer doesn't look like the one in
          the book. It has three points and then another one
          further down. I've got it set to the third one in
          the group of three, which I believe is TDC. All
          the information I have seen is conflicting on
          where it should be set. Its an 8:1, with
          pcv valve temporarily removed (by PO)
          2.  Engine diesels when I shut it off, some times
          extensively, and it "burbles" when idling or
          coasting down a hill in gear.
          3. Exhaust leak at rear of muffler where it joins
          the tailpipe. Could this have something to do with
          #2?
          4. Pops out of first, if you lift off the gas.
          Also sometimes difficult to engage 1st, easier if
          you go into second and then up into 1st.
          5. Lights. 'nuff said about those!
          Thanks.

          Dave B.
          Wash. DC
          dbobeck@ushmm.org
          202-488-6588 w
          '72 SIII petrol, swb "LUCKY"

          PS- Thanks to Nancy Hartman, my dear friend and
          aspiring Rover Mechanic, for putting up with me
          and doing lots of marathon driving. She also lost
          her wallet during the course of putting the spare
          tire on the bonnet, sorry about that, Nancy.
          Cheers and lots more Black and Tans.

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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 16:48:32 +0200
From: terje@tvnorge.no (Terje Krogdahl)
Subject: Re: back again; misc.replies

>Seems no one else from the list was in Norway, though there were a lot of

Oh yes, there were. Myself, a collegue named Ketil Kirkerud (we're both
mostly lurking on the list), and a British gentleman named Peter Hubbard.
I'm sure there were others as well...

TK
1972 88" Series III

>.

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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 11:01:33 EDT
From: tonyb@ejv.com (Tony Bromberg)
Subject: 89 Range Rover

Hi all,

does anyone know the nut size for the front hub.

thanks

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Date: 21 Aug 95 11:28:31 EDT
From: Mark Ritter <70472.1130@compuserve.com>
Subject: Disco Alert

If you own a Disco you need to check you axel to wheel connection for tightness
of the bolts! While installing a locking Diff in mine I found that two of the
bolts that hold the axel in were literally finger tight! For the non-mechanical
these are the five bolts that circle the hub at the center of each wheel. This
will allow water to intrude into your wheel bearings with some nasty and
expensive consequences. Fortunately I caught this in time.
Mark Ritter 94 Disco

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Date: 21 Aug 95 11:36:29 EDT
From: Mark Ritter <70472.1130@compuserve.com>
Subject: Starter Noises

The starter on my 94 Disco just began to make a noise similar to a coffee
grinder. At first i was worried that it had injested mud/sand from my last off
road adventure, but upon inspection I can't find any way for water to enter it
as it appears sealed. As for the bell housing as mine is an automatic there are
no wading plugs and only a tiny hole about the size of a cocktail straw to allow
for fluid drainage out of the housing. I can't believe that enough contaminants
could make it through there to harm anything as the car has never been in water
while wading for more than 10 seconds. When I called the dealer (warranty) I was
told to bring it in and that it would be covered. I'll let you know what
happens.
Mark Ritter  94 Disco

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From: Mr Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date:          Mon, 21 Aug 1995 16:57:58 +0000
Subject:       Re: back again; misc.replies

On 21 Aug 95, Terje Krogdahl wrote:

> >Seems no one else from the list was in Norway, though there were a lot
> >of
> Oh yes, there were. Myself, a collegue named Ketil Kirkerud (we're both
> mostly lurking on the list), and a British gentleman named Peter Hubbard.
> I'm sure there were others as well...
Was there a blue and white trialler there? George and Mags (from the 
SLROC) are in Norway (and have been for over a week) -- they may have 
dropped in ;-)

BTW - that's the motor that won the Nationals RTV (with 2 points!!)

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 12:07:19 -0400
From: jcfltee@CAM.ORG (Christian Tassé)
Subject: Various for Discovery

Hi everyone,

1st question : Does anyone know of an equivalent CD player that would fit in
a 1995 Discovery? I find the factory one to be to expensive.

2nd question : Can anyone tell me if I could fit (and if they exist) Yellow
round fog lamps (could be as big as a rallye type lamp) on the front bumper
where they should be fitted? I don't want a white fog lamp.

Thank you for all answers.

Christian Tasse
Discovery 1995

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Subject: Re: Various for Discovery
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 13:03:41 -0500
From: Gary Mitchelson <garym@cais.cais.com>

-- [ From: Gary Mitchelson * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

> Hi everyone,
> 1st question : Does anyone know of an equivalent CD player that would fit

in a
> 1995 Discovery? I find the factory one to be to expensive.

The CD changer is a standard Pioneer unit. When I bought some extra CD
cartridges for it last week both Sears and Best Buys had the CD Changer.
They were both more expensive than I what I paid for it from LR when I
bought my Disco.
--
Gary Mitchelson                    
garym@racalrecord.com           
N3JPU             

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 21 Aug 95  9:58:30 EDT
Subject: Anybody ever replace a relay lower seal on the car?

Unfortunately, due to my own stupidity, the lower oil seal on my steering
relay has begun to leak profusely. Rather than torch out the frame to get it
out, I was giving serious consideration to replacing the oil seal on the
bottom in situ. Has anybody ever tried this?

     Alan

P.S.: my rebuilt petrol engine runs soooooo smooth...8*) Now, once
Craddock manages to ship me my new Weber, we'll see about actually
taking the old bucket on the road...

     ajr

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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 14:42:01 -0400
From: sac4@cornell.edu (Stephen A. Church)
Subject: My friend went with the Disco

Hi all!

Thanks again to those of you who responded to me with advice for my friend
(Chris) on purchasing a Defender.  We went to the LR dealer Saturday
afternoon to do the deed and believe it or not, Chris changed his mind.
Someone mentioned that he'd never be able to justify the price but to get
it anyway, and upon looking at one again, he couldn't and he didn't!

We both really liked the D90, but after looking at the Discoverys on the
lot and the one in the showroom, he decided that a Disco would better suit
his needs than a D90.  He had an appointment for 1:00 p.m. to talk with a
salesman.  We were there at 12:55 and looked around for 30-45 min. before
Chris had to go ask to talk with one of the four salesmen about possibly
purchasing a Discovery -- I guess in our shorts,t-shirts, running shoes,
and hats, we didn't look like the typical perspective buyer of a LR (or a
Porsche/Audi/Mercedes either).  After deciding on what he wanted and
finding out how little they would give him for a trade on his Saturn (yeah,
Saturn to Land Rover -- the path I'm sure many of you followed! :-), he put
down a deposit.  They didn't have what he was looking for, but they're
supposed to call him this week sometime to let him know what they found at
other dealers.

If (hopefully when) he does finally get the Disco, we're thinking about
taking it out to the Southwest for a quick (is that possible if we start
from upstate New York? ;-) trip to do some camping,hiking and *maybe* some
mild 4X4ing.  To quench our thirst for the time being, we went home and
took my non-stock Jeep out and got muddy! :-)  Can't wait to get his Disco
muddy, too!

Steve Church
75 Triumph Spitfire  --> * British *
87 Jeep Wrangler     --> *   4x4   *

(Well, it was worth a shot! :-)

P.S.  Reading some of the postings about the older LRs has really grabbed
my attention.  As you can see I'm already interested in British cars and
4x4s, and it would be really -- for lack of a better word -- neat, to be
able to combine the two.  If anyone knows of any halfway decent, older,
*more affordable* LRs for sale in the Northeast, please keep me in mind.
Thanks!

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 13:14:40 -0600 (MDT)
From: Rob Bailey <baileyr@cuug.ab.ca>
Subject: Yet more questions....

Thanks to everybody who has replied to my questions so far, I have a 
couple more... 

1) Can anybody try and describe how to use the hood (bonnet(sp?)) mounted 
spare tire holder. No matter what I try, I can't make it fit so it looks 
right. It didn't have a tire on it when I got the truck, and all the 
pictures that I've seen in catalogs don't have a tire included. It has 2 
bolts and two "cams" as they are called in RN's catalog.

2) My steering box is leaking like a sieve, and I remember reading in the 
FAQ that 140 weight could be used. Everybody else I talked to says it 
should be 90wt. I would expect 140wt would stay in there longer, will it 
work well enough? How about the swivel housings?

BTW, I now have brakes that work on the first pump! I rebuilt all four 
brake cylinders, replaced the bake brake shoes (because on oil 
contamination) and adjusted the fronts. Will replace the front shoes 
before long, as the adjusters will not "lock" up the wheel when fully 
adjusted. 

Thanks,
Rob

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From: Robert Watson (CNA) <a-robw@microsoft.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 10:39:15 TZ
Subject: Disco gets dirty

I finally got my new Discovery dirty this weekend. I took it up in the 
Cascades (West. Washington State) on some logging roads and the best 
word I could use to describe the trip is "yawn". While we did get some 
dramatic views of the mountain range, and Mt. Rainier, the driving was 
quite boring. This wouldn't be so noteworthy, except that these are the 
same roads that, in my (previous) Jeep Wrangler, I'd felt a particular 
sense of accomplishment (i.e. it was "work" to get up the hills).  Time 
to find greater challenges, I guess :-)

My only concern was in going up some of the long grades, the engine 
temp would start to rise if I was in high range and 1st gear 
(Auto/trans) 2nd gear seemed to lug. (outside air temp ~75F, elev. 
2500'-4500' MSL approx 500 lbs pax and cargo in vehicle, and A/C on 
full ) After shifting to Low-range and leaving the auto in "3", I 
didn't have any more problems, but this just seemed odd to me.

-- Bob Watson
'95 Black Discovery

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From: hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 15:40:58 EST
Subject: Saturn to L-R

Looking at a consumer reports sort of thing on expected 
retention of value by 1995 vehicles, Saturn was tops, 9 out 
of 10, in domestics.  The only "10" I remember in the list 
was the (ulp) Toy Land Cruiser!!  L-Rs rated 7.  Guess they 
didn't hear about those 500 North American used 110s with 
25k miles going for more than new!  But we're not 
"investors," are we?

Since I took a bit of a screwing on the 300ZX trade-in for 
the Disco, I'm not too surprised at the same happening with 
a Saturn, esp at "prestige marque" dealers.  However, when 
time comes to trade in the '85 Supra, strongly suspect a 
Saturn is what we'll get.  (Two daily drivers needed in this 
hard-working household.)  Sure, we won't get the picnic 
basket, but we do get a picnic at the factory, eh?  That'll 
leave the ancient Ser 2 as the "non-daily"/back-up to keep 
life interesting and maintain proper individualistic distain 
of commonness.  Just don't think a 3rd L-R will seem 
practical...maybe someday though.

Hank

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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 16:04:46 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: Blast !

Re use of home sand blaster>
I use one with my shop tank.  I have 150 lbs pressure and it works very 
well.  We did some body work and other engine parts and they come very 
clean.  Most of them are just a tube you put in a pail with fine sand and 
the best ones have a ceramic replaceable tip because the metal ones just 
don't stand up to more than one or two uses.  Dave VE4PN

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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 15:26:57 -0700
From: johnliu@earthlink.net (John Y. Liu)
Subject: FS:  Spare Tire Carrier For Truck Bed

I have a spare tire mount for the truck bed of a 109' pickup.  This is the
one that has a galvanized steel tire "well" that fits in a cut-out in the
wheel box, and a tire mount that rivets to the inner bedside.  I've removed
it to install some cabinets and would be happy to sell it, cheap, to someone
who needs it.

I'm also still looking for used inward-facing bench seats, in case anyone
has some extras to sell fairly cheaply.

Finally, does anyone have experience mounting receivers for a trailer hitch
on a Rover, in both front and rear?  Is there a kit available?  I'm thinking
of buying a "multi-mount" type winch, that mounts to a receiver, and using
it for both ends of both trucks.
John Y. Liu
johnliu@earthlink.net

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Subject: Re: Disco headrest covers for front seats.
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 19:26:54 -0500
From: Gary Mitchelson <garym@cais.cais.com>

-- [ From: Gary Mitchelson * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

 >Anyone have the optional headrest covers for the front seats of the Disco?
> >Hopefully they are more comfortable than the standard headrest. What is
the
> >cost of the headrest in the US?
> My 1994 price list says $180 for leather, $120 for cloth (set of 2).  

They are
> comfortable, but the price is a ripoff.   And my posture's so bad I never
get
> the benefit of them <g>.
Thanks for the reply. Yeah, $120 a set is a little high, I wonder if there
are any alternatives.
--
Gary Mitchelson                     
garym@racalrecord.com                                
N3JPU

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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 18:53:30 -0500
From: "John B. Friedman" <johannes@scribes.english.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Series and Disco stuff FS

I have a couple of items I could part with if any one could use them.

1) adjustable spanner, from 1965 Ser IIa 109 PU tool kit. flat  
adjustable monkey wrench like a plumber's pipe wrench. Pretty good  
shape. I would take 25.00 and pay the shipping,
2) The panel which holds a CD player and goes under the seat of a  
Disco, as I don't intend to have a CD player. Say 10.00 plus shipping  
as it is bulky. 

	e-mail me. John Friedman  

------------------------------

From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 20:42:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: LR Purchase

Dave Bobeck's tale of his "new" Rover...

>           10:00 am: Pick up Guy Arnold at work in Potsdam,
>           somehow as soon as he sees me, he says "You must
>           be David" I don't have "SACUL" imprinted in my
>           forehead so it must've been something else.
/

It was that goofy grin on your face! That "Oh, boy! I'm gonna look at a
Rover!" grin. By the time you got to my place, it was more like the maniacal
grin of some crazed soul with roasted toes! I don't even want to know how
you looked by the time you got home - but I bet you were grinning,
ear-to-ear! :-)
Glad to hear you got home OK.

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol ("Sidney")      
              7          1972 Ser III 88 Petrol ("Fern")
           #:-}>         1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol (Parts is Parts)

------------------------------

Date: 21 Aug 95 21:03:19 EDT
From: "William L. Leacock" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Subject: Ser 2 sighting

After 10 months in the country I saw my first proper LR  yesterday. It was a
nice, straight looking, brown coloured ser 2a 109 SW with a Mass reg. number 879
T20 which I saw on the I90 in the Syracuse / Utica area , I followed it for
about 20 miles, had to slow down a bit !!
 I am off to England for three days at the weekend, next Monday is a holiday
over there and there are lots of LR events ( this will be my last company paid
trip back home )
 I am still wating for my 109 to clear customs and be delivered here this week
!! The customs had a day off last Friday.

To make my 109 road legal here what else do I need to do besides change the
headlights to dip right ?
 Regards  Bill Leacock   Limey in exile

------------------------------

From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: Tyre mount
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 12:06:25 +0930 (CST)

Rob asks:
> 1) Can anybody try and describe how to use the hood (bonnet(sp?)) mounted 
> spare tire holder.
> It has 2  bolts and two "cams" as they are called in RN's catalog.

Ok, place the cams on the bolts such that the longest "leg" is towards the
mounting plate.  Turn the cams so that the long axis is across the vehicle
and the long side is facing outwards.  (the cam is slightly curved, sort of
like a crescent moon, you want the the two cams to be like this  (    )  not
)   (  on the mount
Get your wheel and put it over the centre of the mount with the front
(outside) facing down towards the bonnet, the cams are then turned to clamp
the back of the rim down.  The long leg of the cam should be touching the top
of the mount when the bolts are tightened, if it isnt then you need longer
legged cams (there are at least two different sizes )

hope this makes some sense
cheers
-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

------------------------------

From: jpappa01@interserv.com
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 20:22:02 PDT
Subject: Re: 	Misc.

- Still more info. on upcoming D90 SW. The latest and greatest word is that 
there will be *400* aluminum hardtop/one-piece door with windup 
windows/external rollcage/4-jumpseat D90 SW's brought in. November delivery to 
dealers. AFTER THAT, the *FINAL* 240 NAS D90s will be *STANDARD* ragtop D90s 
such as we have now - full soft top, regular safari cage and rear bench 
seat... Still no final word on the aluminum top prices/color choices although 
the most recent color spec. was some choice of colors... PRICING information 
will be available sometime next month & I will post same...

- The BSROA will have a contingent present at the British Invasion in Stowe... 
Sept 15/16. Hopefully we'll have a record Rover turnout from all points of the 
compass!

- BTW, the long-lived Range Rover Classic is officially OUT OF PRODUCTION. 
There are approx. *500* units total remaining in dealer inventory throughout 
NA! In addition, there are a small handful of LWB's remaining as well. LRMW 
has ONE left. This means that in `96, the *NEW* Range Rover is IT along with 
Disco. No Defender or Classic! This is truly a drag!

- July/Aug. issue of Rover Reference will have as many details of `96 MY 
lineup as possible. Will post same as I get it...

Cheerz
Jim - duh, hey, uh, you got any of those Defender Jeeps?
`67 2A 88 5.0L Hybrid
`67 2A 109 5.0L Hybrid
`68 2B 110 F/C Diesel
`70 P6B 3500S
`90 Range Rover County
`93 D110 (457/500)
`95 D90 #1958

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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 20:10:00 -0700
From: johnliu@earthlink.net (John Y. Liu)
Subject: 1965 88" SW for sale

Saw this ad on rec.autos.antiques:  george.ray@nccbbs.com has a friend with
a 1965 88" Station Wagon, "Lt. Green", in "very good condition" for sale in
Virginia and is asking $7,000.  Caveat: I know zip about the poster or the
vehicle and am merely passing on the ad.
John Y. Liu
johnliu@earthlink.net

------------------------------

Date: 22 Aug 95 01:49:18 EDT
From: "Anthony J. Bonanno" <75034.3062@compuserve.com>
Subject: National Land Rover Rally, Colorado

Hi Everyone,

Just returned from the U.S. National Land Rover Rally in Breckenridge, Colorado
last night and thought I'd post a  report for those who may be interested.  The
event, sponsored by Solihull Society with support from British Pacific Ltd.,
Rovers North, and Land Rover of North America (LRNA), was more of a "gathering"
to celebrate Land Rovers and more specifically, the 25th anniversary of the
Range Rover.  Originally, the event was limited to the first 40 vehicles, but I
would estimate that it was closer to 65-70 at the peak of the activities.  The
weather was terrific and the landscape represents the best of the rockies and
was nothing less than spectacular.  The event started on Tuesday, August 15 and
ended on Sunday, August 20.  Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get there until
late Thursday, Aug. 17th after a 10 hour drive from Santa Fe.   I drove my late
Series IIA 88 hardtop pulling a British MOD trailer which is painted to match
(sand).   

Friday morning saw another day of trail rides above tree line, treading lightly
of course, going to over 12,000 feet.  These rides were pretty much all day
affairs in challenging, but not overly difficult conditions.   About 20-25
vehicles  traveled together through the various courses and routes.  Most of the
courses took the participants along high mountain ridges with unbelievable views
and world class alpine mountain scenery.  The organizers and very capable,
experienced leaders did an excellent job of preping folks and ensuring safety.
Nevertheless, there was one incident that created more than a little anxiety.  I
was on another course at the time so did not personally observe the following
incident.  However, I will describe it as best I can based on the what my
friends who were there reported.   This incident occurred on a extremely steep
decent known as Red Cone.  I understand that one of the course participants who
was associated with the Camel Trophy said that it was one of the most
challenging sections he'd run across.  It was a 40% (!) downgrade with numerous
"moguls" along a steep narrow ridge with several thousand foot drop off either
side.   Everyone was doing well and the technique of low range, low gear, STAY
OFF THE BRAKE, but brake when you're in the mogul, was working pretty well.  The
braking in the mogul was crucial since the grade was so steep that engine
braking was still not adequate to keep from gaining  too much speed, but you
didn't dare touch the brakes until your vehicle entered the moguls... there were
several sections of descent with moguls before reaching the bottom.   Anyway, a
number of vehicles had already descended and were gathered at what was thought
to be a fairly safe site near the base when folks looked up and to their
amazement, saw a new Discovery coming fast into the first mogul, plowing through
the mogul and then going AIR BORNE, somewhat at an angle and crashing down onto
the 40% grade, then repeating the sequence of plowing into the next mogul,
launching out airborne again, sometimes at a different angle and leaning to one
side!  Most folks thought for sure that the Discovery was going to land at an
angle or in a place where it would plummet over the side of the ridge to certain
tragedy.  Somehow, the Discovery kept righting itself before crashing into the
ground and stayed relatively on course!  Finally, all those gathered below
realized that they were in the "out of control" Discovery's path (if it didn't
go over the side of the mountain first) and folks began moving vehicles and
running on foot in various directions!  Fortunately, the Discovery came to rest
at the base of the ridge without contacting anyone else and the the driver and
his girlfriend (or perhaps ex-girlfriend by now) emerged very shaken, but okay.
What happened to cause the rapid descent??  I'm not sure.  I heard that there
was quite a lot of "on site investigating" by the technical types that were
present.  I understand the driver had only purchased the Discovery a few months
earlier and that the vehicle apparently lost power (engine died?) at the
beginning of the descent.  Some folks speculated that he somehow also wound up
out of gear.  I don't know, but it must have been a sight!  Although there were
probably several cameras below,  apparently the "shock" of what was happening
and the need to get to safety resulted in no one taking photos!  I understand
that the Discovery was quite drivable the rest of the way with damage only to
the front and rear body and a mangled bull-bar.

To my knowledge, there was no other significant problems or damage to vehicles.
It was nice to see the old Series machines keeping up with the newer high tech
models.  I believe the elevation was particularly noticeable in the older
models.  Power is certainly down at 12,000 foot and several of us had some
trouble with our carburetors loading up at low rpms.

I would guess that two thirds of the vehicles attending the Rally were Range
Rovers, Discoverys, and Defenders (there were 4 of the white special edition 110
that were imported to the U.S. a couple of years ago).  The remaining vehicles
were series Land Rovers including several 109's, a number of soft and hardtop
88's and an especially nice soft top Series I (1958) that Joyce and Malcomb
Buckeridge brought out from California.   The participants came from all over
including both the east and west coast.  LRNA showed the new 90 Hardtop Defender
that's scheduled to conclude the 95 production (I believe there are 400 units
coming to U.S.).  They also had a 2-door Discovery that they were soliciting
comments on.  Personally, I really liked the Hardtop Defender 90, but wasn't
excited by the 2-door Discovery.  I can't see that anything is gained by
deleteing two doors... same wheelbase, interior, etc.  However, if the price is
significantly lower, then perhaps...

Saturday saw a day of  "games" which included  skills exercises including a
teeter-totter, blindfolded navigation, and several other "tests". 

All in all, the organizers did an EXCELLENT job and put on a FIRST CLASS event!
I'm looking forward to the next one.

Cheers!

Tony Bonanno
Santa Fe, New Mexico

------------------------------

From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: Relay lower seal
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 16:32:40 +0930 (CST)

Alan asks:
> I was giving serious consideration to replacing the oil seal on the
> bottom in situ. Has anybody ever tried this?

Back in the dim dark past I replaced the bottom seal on my IIa "in situ" I
dont recollect any specific problems (except that the old one was hard to get out) but it was a long time ago..

best of luck
-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

------------------------------

From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re:siezed track rod 
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 16:48:38 +0930 (CST)

James writes:
> How on earth do I shift a track rod that has not been shifted since 
> before 1979?

With Great difficulty :-)

Try to clamp the rod and swing off of the tie-rod end pins using your
favourite (unconditionally guaranteed) ring spanner as a lever to unscrew the
brutes.  An extension pipe may be useful but eventually something must give
so be careful.......

> Just to complicate matters...  I have very limited access to 
> expensive equipment so please could I have the cheap alternatives 
> before people recommend the old oxy-acetylene...  

Ok I wont suggest the gas axe...  first try all the usual stuff, soaking in
penetrating oil/diesel/vampire blood etc.  If (when) this fails...  Dig out
your trusty kero powered blow torch, you know, the ones they "used" to use to
heat soldering irons.  Just about every junk shop has them quite cheap, wont
get as hot as a gas axe but may just do the trick.
No blow torch... Camping stove perhaps?  Gas hot-plate in the kitchen?  
I'm sure you get the idea

best of luck

-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 09:25:35 +0200
From: terje@tvnorge.no (Terje Krogdahl)
Subject: Re: back again; misc.replies

>Was there a blue and white trialler there? George and Mags (from the 
>SLROC) are in Norway (and have been for over a week) -- they may have 
>dropped in ;-)

mmm... roofless 88" bodied with a massive roll cage? Lots of tubes?

If this is the one, I believe it did well in the trial competition.
Awesome turning radius.

>BTW - that's the motor that won the Nationals RTV (with 2 points!!)

If we are talking about the same vehicle - no wonder!

Terje K.
terje@tvnorge.no
http://www.tvnorge.no/~terje/index.e.html

>.

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