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1 "Teriann J. Wakeman" [tw7Re: Extended warranties
2 Easton Trevor [TEASTON@D13[not specified]
3 MDAY@NARVAX.NAR.EPA.GOV 16RE: soap and springs...
4 "Tom Rowe" [TROWE@AE.AGE27 Re: Copper brake lines
5 Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus [A51Re: -No Subject-
6 tonyb@ejv.com (Tony Brom20Brake rotors
7 "Sean McInerney" [smcine32Shipping from the UK
8 "Tom Rowe" [TROWE@AE.AGE27 Re: RR rotors
9 "Doug Carmean" [dcarmean58[not specified]
10 BobandSueB@aol.com 16series air conditioner
11 UncleBrad@aol.com 22Camel Disco
12 Cliff Kavanaugh [76262.81988 Range Rover


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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 95 05:34:29 -0700
From: "Teriann J. Wakeman" <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: 	Extended warranties

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 95 08:46:00 DST

Jeff Gauvin wrote:-
On a recent hiking trip in the
Bugaboos (British Columbia, Canada), every car in the parking lot
was wrapped with chicken-wire (I've got pictures to prove it!). The
explanation I was given was that porcupines like to chew up brake
lines and eat tires! I laughed, but wrapped my car anyway...

Good job there were no Japanese badgers around

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From: MDAY@NARVAX.NAR.EPA.GOV
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 8:59:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: RE: soap and springs...

On 4 Aug Mark Perry wrote:
>does nearside/ offside mean in relation to the curb, er, kerb?

>From what I've always understood nearside is the passenger side and offside is 
the drivers side so in the U.S. that would be the right side and left side 
respectively.

HTH, 

    MTD

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date:          Thu, 10 Aug 1995 08:09:07 GMT -0600
Subject:       Re: Copper brake lines

> In the UK, you can't find brake-sized copper pipe, except as proper 
> brake pipe from somewhere like Automech. It's a copper *alloy* with 
> about 5% nickel, an perfect for brake pipes.

Ahh! Now we learn the truth. I've been wondering what it was they 
sell. That explains it. 

> In the US, airconditioner pipe is widely available. Small, pure 
> copper, work-hardens with vehicle vibration and cracks easily. 

Now that you mention it, I did a brake job on a LR some years back 
that had copper lines (plumbing type) and they were *quite* brittle, 
two or three flexes back and forth and I snapped them in two.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 10 Aug 95  7:48:56 EDT
Subject: Re: -No Subject-

{Description of purchase of a nice 109 deleted to save space}

>1 -  Alternator mounting:

If you can find an alternator bracket from a later 2.25 or 2.5 engine,
it works well with 3 1-inch spacers behind it. A length of steel with a slot
or a series of holes then supports the top bolt. This works quite well, and is
what I am using on MY 109 pickup (a '64).

>2 - Smiths heater replacement:

A used Kodiak heater. A chap here on the list advertisd one a week or so ago.
If not, call some of the Canadian parts dealers. They can be had used.

>3 - How does one go about checking and topping off the oil level in the
>front steering relay?  (the one down by the grill)

With one the age of yours, you pop two bolts, one of the ones in the 
circumference of the top and the one in the very top center. Put oil in the
hole opened by releasing the top bolt until it comes out the bottom bolt
hole. Close it up, and you're done.

>4 - I could use any tips on winterizing my vehicle.

Insulation, insulation and more insulation. Rover pickups have squat
for insulation, and no heater is going to keep up with a drafty aluminum box.
Puting in ome carpeting, door panels and a roof liner will help
with the noise and help keep you warm, too.

Used parts:

Ask around and keep your eyes open. Personally, when it comes to things
like the locker covers, I usually make my own. Galvanized steel is not
difficult to work with hand tools, and if painted properly looks completely
original.

Also, if you're not a purist (and I'm not, as the list knows...<grin>), seats 
from
another make can be fitted and be quite comfortable. I'm fitting mine with 2
leather buckets removed from a Volvo donor in a scrapyard, for example.
 

>Shalom,  Joe Manickam

Shalom alecheim, Joe..... -Al R.

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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 95 10:34:45 EDT
From: tonyb@ejv.com (Tony Bromberg)

<100043.2400@compuserve.com> kgb@uic.edu
Subject: Brake rotors

Hi all,

Does anyone know where to get vented front rotors for 89 Range Rover?
Mine are shot and need replacement.  I was very surprised to see a
thin solid rotor upfront in such a heavy vehicle!  No wonder I can
fade the brakes in a fiew hard stops.

Actually, I'll appreciate any suggestions on improving braking (pads,
rotors, cooling).

Thanks

Tony B

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Date: 10 Aug 1995 10:39:53 -0500
From: "Sean McInerney" <smcinerney@mail.nrgn.com>
Subject: Shipping from the UK

Shipping from the UK
>John Wootton wrote:
>[Folly] awaiting her new galvanized frame from across the pond. In the same
box will be every other little thing that I've either ruined in taking it
off, or which fell off when I glanced at it sideways. New frame, new floor,
new firewall ( or at least a new old one), new paint, new brakes, new
harness. The list of parts on the order sheet is too long by a page!!

Say John...

   If you do not mind saying, who are you purchasing your pile of parts from
and approximately how much was the shipping on the lot (one box?)?  It's all
in one enormous crate?...Have fun getting it home! {8-O  Did you have a good
experience with this LR merchant?

   I have all sorts of things on my Rover wish list and would also like to
order a huge pile from the UK, perhaps including a frame.  UK prices look
exceedingly low compared to U.S. sources, but do the shipping charges make it
economically viable?  What about customs (but, you are in Canada, right?)? 
Does the the shipping charge look less ugly in comparison to the savings on
parts prices when buying in relative bulk (for an individual)?

   Just frustrated with prices on this side of the Atlantic (don't feel right
calling it "The Pond").

Sean C. McInerney
1963 SIIa 88"...currently topless...extra condensation in the speedometer!

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date:          Thu, 10 Aug 1995 10:21:26 GMT -0600
Subject:       Re: RR rotors

Tony Bromberg writes:
> Does anyone know where to get vented front rotors for 89 Range Rover?
> Mine are shot and need replacement.  I was very surprised to see a
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> Actually, I'll appreciate any suggestions on improving braking (pads,
> rotors, cooling).

Tony,
Back when I used to ride a BMW (I still long for one. Someday, again) 
there was an article in one of the bike mags about drilling your 
rotors, if I remember correctly. I've never done it so I don't know 
about pros and cons. Pehaps a good brake shop could help you out.
Does annyone know anything about that?

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Subject: A new RR 4.0SE
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 09:25:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Doug Carmean" <dcarmean@ichips.intel.com>

Well, I'm sure that this little story of me and my 4.0SE will bring
snickers from the real LR owners, but I thought I'd pass on my
experiences with my new RR.

I recently took delivery of a 1995 Avalon Blue RR 4.0SE.  After being
told by countless brokers (OK, just 4 of them) that the only two cars
that they can't get for a discount are Land Rovers and Saturns, I bent
over and bought it from the local dealer.  The dealer only had one
demo on his lot, so I was required to give him a $1,000 and wait ~30
days for the honor of owning a LR.  

On delivery day, the salesman spent almost 2 hours going over the car
with me, giving me a tour of their service department, and introducing
me to various people around the dealership.  We were presented with
the standard LR picnic basket, filled with various goodies from the
little Island out there somewhere.  After reading stories on the
digest about ants and moldy food in the baskets, I was quite relieved
to find everything quite tasty and totally bug free.

As I got about a block away from the dealership, I noticed a drab
green Series III driving a couple of lanes over.  This was the first
one I can recall seeing on the streets of Portland.  I got this amazing
look from the driver of the other LR.  It's hard to describe, but,
needless to say, it was a near sneer.  Kind of one of those looks that
said 'Don't you wish you had a *real* LR?'.

Well, life with the RR has been great.  The beast is averaging very
close to 14.0 MPG on a mix of hwy/city driving.  It's been fairly warm
here, so the climate controls have been cranked way down.  I've been
taking it easy on the new engine, but this thing is definitely not
going to set any speed records.  It seems pretty happy to cruise at
65 or 70mph after having taking it's sweet time to lumber up to that
speed.  

We've had a couple of small problems.  The passenger side seat (all
electric) had a headrest that was stuck all the way out.  After a trip
back to the dealer, LR decided to replace the entire seat rather than
attempt to fix the motor.  Also, the external mirror on the driver's
side vibrates on rough roads.  The dealer said that LR has
acknowledged that this a design problem and is currently working on a
new mirror design.  He said that they would update my mirror when LR
released the new design.  After reading about the Disco's radio volume
control, I've been playing with the one in my RR.  It sure seems like
the RR volume controls are totally independent.  I can crank the
volume all the way down on the radio and then raise the volume to ear
splitting levels using the controls on the steering wheel.

We're off to the RR off road clinic this weekend that is being held by
the local dealership.  It'll be interesting to see how this thing handles
the dirty stuff.

Doug Carmean
1995 RR 4.0SE - MTYDOG
dcarmean@ichips.intel.com

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From: BobandSueB@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 13:12:35 -0400
Subject: series air conditioner

To Alan Richer, and or anyone interested
I understand you are going to put an air conditioner in your 109.
Do you already have it? If not, I have most of one made for series and will
have the rest of it soon along with original brochure showing it in a Land
Rover. I will be selling it to help the owner pay for a needed engine.
It was mounted in a 1960-88.
If you want to know more, get in touch with me.

Bob Bernard
BobandSueB@aol.com

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From: UncleBrad@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 14:15:32 -0400
Subject: Camel Disco

Got a call from Scotty last night. His son, Ian ran into a couple by the name
of Jeffreys who were apparently the British Camel team in the Mundo Maya run.
They were in Sacramento with their fully loaded Camel Disco! Turns out that
they landed in Boston and are touring the US before heading to South America
via Mexico. Those of you who will be in Colorado for the Solilhull Society's
big rally will probably have the chance to meet the Jeffreys as Ian says they
are planning to attend the meet before heading South.

Ian gave the Jeffreys my phone number since they were heading this way, but
so far I haven't heard from them. If anyone runs into these folks, I hope you
will have a camera with you. I'd love to get a couple of photos for the
Aluminum Workhorse.

See ya!

Brad Blevins

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Date: 10 Aug 95 15:03:54 EDT
From: Cliff  Kavanaugh <76262.1154@compuserve.com>
Subject: 1988 Range Rover

Greetings, my name is Cliff Kavanaugh of Spotsylvania VA.  I have just purchased
a 1988 Range Rover, and hope to post interesting and informative messages in the
future. Cheers Cliff

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From: Millionair Bruce Wayne <willems@xs4all.nl>
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 95 23:08:28 -700
Subject: SAS LandRover series 1


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