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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 00:29:47 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Limericks...

I once drank a glass full of 90 weight,
prior to embarking on a blind date.
It was worth the abuse
to have an excuse
if I decided not to stay out late.

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I once got a terrible flat,
from a cold-hearted neighbor who thought that
she owned the space
in front of her place
which was where my rover was at.

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 19:11:54 -0600 (CST)
From: "Soren Vels Christensen" <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
Subject: Rovers on the Telly

Hi

Not long ago i watched one of those escapist programmes on German TV,
showing places to go if you are rich. One of the places covered was Kenya.
Lots of old Land Rovers all in different...conversions? Perhaps they sell
some parts now and them to add to their income.

The programme was sponsored by [Ta-Daaa] Land Rover.

sv/aurens

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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 19:12:05 -0600 (CST)
From: "Soren Vels Christensen" <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
Subject: Re: Whither side-specific springs

Changed my rear springs recently. I followed the notice from the dealer
('s computer). The springs are made in England and i think the dealer just
translated Left and Right to Venstre and Hoejre forgetting which side they
drive on the island.

I was under Aurens this morning to find out why. The gap between the arched
leafs and the supporting one is a bit wider on the right spring than on the
other. So here we go again. Should be easier to get them off this time
though.

Cheers
sv/aurens

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Date: Mon, 07 Aug 1995 09:26:26 +1200
From: Kerry Jones ext 8002 <RGTY_KMJ@waikato.ac.nz>
Subject: NZ Series I Club

Last week Tony Chapman asks about clubs in NZ

    There is a Series I Club here in New Zealand the Address is 
c/o Neil Aston, 6 Harris Street, Pukekohe  (pronounced poo-kay-kor-he)
    New Zealand.

Kerry.

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Rally
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 95 15:11:43 PDT

On to the road with trailers in tow,
Heading west to the sun as the evening sinks low
The kids are a sleep (i Hope) our bellies are full
Its off the the Rover rally out west I do go...

So if you are there I will see you all soon.
If trail was too  rough, and schedule to weak,
all is not lost, despair not at all
There is a rally out east before the first frost..

Russ Burns
91 Range Rover
94 D-90

Off to the family pig farm.....

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Date: Mon, 07 Aug 1995 10:40:14 -1200
From: Hugh Grierson <hugh@fujitsu.co.nz>
Subject: Copper brake lines

Dixon Kenner wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Aug 1995, Tom Rowe wrote:
> > DO NOT USE COPPER FOR BRAKES.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> 	have seen installed on LandRovers just come apart.  Vibration
> 	seems to be a killer with them...

Hmmm, rear copper lines were fitted to mine a few years ago.  No
problems.  In fact they are so good I just replaced all the
remaining lines with copper ones.  I'll report back in another
28 years as to how they survive...

Regarding the flares - I took the old lines and the new wheel cylinders
in to the brake shop and they made up new lines with the correct flares
to match.  It cost little enough for me to not bother buying the tools to 
o
it myself.

Hugh

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Subject: Weather band on US Discovery
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 95 19:26:17 -0500
From: Gary Mitchelson <garym@cais.cais.com>

-- [ From: Gary Mitchelson * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

Has anyone tried the WB on the Disco in the US.
My wife has the identical radio in her BMW and it picks up about 4 NOAA
stations just fine with the in glass ant. However, the WB on the Disco
bearly picks up one station and the others just have intermod from FM
broadcast stations. I live in a dense RF environment just north of
Washington DC.

Anyone have any experience with this? I have not had the dealer look at it
yet.

Also does anyone think there is not enogh volume from the radio?
--
Gary Mitchelson
garym@racalrecord.com
N3JPU

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From: JDPUTNAM@aol.com
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 20:18:50 -0400
Subject: Misc Questions

Hello,

I have two simple questions.  One, after looking thru my Haines manual I have
not been able to find the dwell setting for my 70 SIIa.  Second, has anyone
used a Weber 2 barrell with the stock oil bath air cleaner.  I have found a
bracket that will allow me to use the original cleaner and replace the Weber
filter that the PO replaced it with.  The Weber filter seems to severly
restrict air flow to the carb even when it is clean ( and it is very hard to
keep it clean ).

Thank in advance

John Putnam
Beaverton, OR, USA

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Subject: Land Rover Toy News
From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 95 19:03:00 -0500

Sorry to have forgotten this, Heller Cliclac's are in their original 
boxes unopened and never assembled.

Tootsietoys 88 is played with and in fai condition, all wheels present 
and correctn no damage except paint mising on all high surfaces / edges.

Rgds

Robin Craig

--
Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. |  Ottawa Valley Land Rovers

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Subject: land rover toys
From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 95 18:24:58 -0500

>From now on I will be posting Land Rover toys information to the net 
rather than try to post to a list of people. I did try that but as you 
would know it I can run a 7018 out of position (weld overhead for you no 
n welder types) but this computer gizmo stuff is beyond me and my dino 
286.

I will keep the subject heading as Land Rover Toy News, so perhaps others 
can leave this heading alone so that when people are posting items.

I will use this heading to post items of interest on toys of all three 
products. In addition I will post what I have surplus to my collection 
and that I am offering for sale.

I find that from time to time I have certain items that I pick up a 
better quality example and so will move on the poorer quality example.

Robin Craig

--
Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. |  Ottawa Valley Land Rovers

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Subject: Land Rover Toy News
From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 95 18:38:50 -0500

I have found some hard to find if not damned rare Land Rover toys. I have 
them myself but thought they might be of interest to others so they are 
offered for sale here.

I say hard to find, at least in North America they are. Perhaps one of 
our Euro pals may be able to find them.

They were made under the CLICLAC mark by HELLER from France. They are 
designed to be snapped together and come in coloured plastic with decals. 
The vehciles are about 1/32 scale , about the size of the Britains stuff.

The vehciles that were available in the series were all series three 
109's in various guises.

These model kits ( my definition since they require assembly) are 
accurate for the most part and are a treat to put together and have in a 
collection of toys.

As they are rare I want to make sure that the three that I am offering 
for sale go to one person so that they have three examples and therefore 
have the possibilty of collecting the other two ( that I know of ) that 
make up the rest of the series.

I have the following available:-
# 2014 Land Rover 109 with Zodiac on roof, s3 109 p/u 
# 2015 Land Rover 109 Police, s3 109 p/u with safari roof and decals etc
# 2016 Land Rover 109 Assistance, s3 109 p/u with ambluance body and 
decals.

All above vehciles come with etra accoutrments to put on the vehicles 
like stretchers and signs etc.

I paid a fair buck to get these and want to recoup my costs. I think that 
anyone who has dealt with me so far has found me to be very fair on 
trades / sales etc. 

For all three Cliclac's as a package I would like $75 Cdn, shipping to 
your destination at your expense.

I also picked up the larger of the two Tootsietoys Land Rovers. For those 
of you unfamiliar with it it a crude diecast toy in green. The body 
defies exact Land Rover type recognition as it is a figment of some toy 
makers imagination. From the front it is a series 3 and could be 
descrided loosely as an 88" station wagon.

Cost including surface mail within North America $13 CDN.

I will wait for replies and let the bidders know of their bid acceptance 
on Wedenesday night ( 10 Aug ).

If you really
oops

Rgds

Robin Craig

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Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. |  Ottawa Valley Land Rovers

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Subject: Re: Misc Questions 
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 1995 17:52:12 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

John Putman asked:

> Second, has anyone
> used a Weber 2 barrell with the stock oil bath air cleaner.  I have found a
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> restrict air flow to the carb even when it is clean ( and it is very hard to
> keep it clean ).

	Jim Russel (jrussel@netcom.com) is currently trying to use the 
stock oil bath cleaner on his Webber 2 barrel.  When I talked with him last
weekend he said that he thought the oil bath filter restricted the
airflow too much and was chokeing his engine a bit.  Email Jim for more
detailed information.

Ben
----------------
 Benjamin Smith  <bens@vislab.navy.mil>
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake
 1972 Land Rover Series III 88

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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 21:38:00 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Brake lines

Scott Fugate writes about flares for brake lines.  Copper brake lines will 
not pass *any* state inspection in the US.  Since the late 1960's, all brake 
lines have had to be steel *and* with the dual master cylinder.  Dual 
masters made their appearance in late '69 IIa's (I think) exported to the 
US.  Why Rover would retain the old single system for the home market is a 
mystery to me.

Going off-line for a few days.  Going to take the Rover down to Cape 
Hatteras and Ocracoke Island to see if I can catch some blues....see ya'll 
next weekend.
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
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Date: 06 Aug 95 22:02:20 EDT
From: Mark Talbot <71035.3215@compuserve.com>
Subject: Stowe

All, 

Anyone know when the British invasion weekend is this year ???

Mark

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Date: 06 Aug 95 22:02:19 EDT
From: Mark Talbot <71035.3215@compuserve.com>
Subject: Kodiak heater for sale

All, 

I have a Kodiak heater for sale, blower, heater element, controls, $30

Mark

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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 22:16:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Copper brake lines

On Mon, 7 Aug 1995, Hugh Grierson wrote:

> Hmmm, rear copper lines were fitted to mine a few years ago.  No
> problems.  In fact they are so good I just replaced all the
> remaining lines with copper ones.  I'll report back in another
> 28 years as to how they survive...

	They took about five years to fail...  Tell us when one goes... :-)

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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 22:21:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Stowe

On 6 Aug 1995, Mark Talbot wrote:

> Anyone know when the British invasion weekend is this year ???

	Stowe?  Sept 16 & 17th.
	Cost is $30 to get your vehicle on the show field.
	At a new location (they are putting Condos in the old location.
	If you want more info, have it all here...

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From: hugh@nezsdc.fujitsu.co.nz
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 14:31:56 +1200
Subject: Re: Copper brake lines

Dixon wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Aug 1995, Hugh Grierson wrote:
>> Hmmm, rear copper lines were fitted to mine a few years ago.  No
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>> 28 years as to how they survive...
>	They took about five years to fail...  Tell us when one goes... :-)

The rear ones must be just about due then.  Let's hope the infamous
lro team.net curse doesn't strike me, or any other poor sods reading
this...

Hugh
who thinks he should have fitted the dual circuit upgrade.

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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 22:40:57 -0400
From: rparker@tiac.net (Randy Parker)
Subject: Re: Weather band on US Discovery

At 07:26 PM 8/6/95 -0500, Gary Mitchelson wrote:

>Has anyone tried the WB on the Disco in the US.

Seems to work fine most places in New England.

>Also does anyone think there is not enogh volume from the radio?

Also seems fine.  Depending on how long you've had the Disco, you may or may
not be aware that the radio volume is a function of both the volume knob on
the radio _as well as_ the volume controls around the steering wheel -- make
sure both are cranked up.

Good luck!
-- RP

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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 23:37:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: August LRO & single malt... :-)

        How many of you get LRO?  You will like the article on page 128 in
        the August issue.  Jim Allen decides to fill space and write about
        the NADA spec vehicles.  While superficially correct, he does blow
        it on several points:

        He starts off by creating a little history.  Well, worse he starts
        off by saying he is talking about North America and goes downhill
        from there to be exact.  By the second paragraph he has renamed the
        North American Dollar Area (NADA) the American Dollar Area.  I have
        always enjoyed being marginalised by some Americans, who seeing
        that big pink area above the USA undergo spontaneous brain death.
        American Dollar Area?  Only in his vivid imagination.  Even Land
        Rover in their recent foray into rewriting history have not gone
        that far yet...

        Well, by the third paragraph, he abandons all pretense of
        addressing the NADA market.  We are dealing only with the USA.
        "After 1967, the US Land Rover line-up was standardised to one -
        the 88".  Must be jealosy.  The 109 was available into Canada until
        at least 1972. Otherwise, how do you explain that 109 Station
        Wagon, built in 1972 that sold in Port Elgin Ontario?  There are of
        course other post 1967 109's running about in Canada.  Of course,
        these were the days when the Canadian operation was not a wholy
        owned subsidiary of the American operation as it is now.  Well,
        Volvo discovered that this doesn't work.  Eventually Land Rover
        will rediscover the same basic fact that Canada and the USA are
        different markets.

        But back to basics.  Before we forge on, we should note that Mr.
        Allen has completely missed the fact that Land-Rovers have been
        sold in Canada from 1949.  Via Rootes as their representatives
        actually.  It wasn't until later in the 1950's that they started to
        appear in the USA.  In fact, the importance of the Canadian market
        can be found in the Canadian spec Land-Rovers.  Yes, there is such
        a beast in both Series One (88" and 107 SW form) and Series Two
        guise.  These sported one piece doors, lots of extra padding, dual
        heaters...  Unfortunately, they were killed off, probably because
        Rover found it cheaper to make one vehicle for the North American
        market, though Canadian Land Rovers generally sported upgraded
        heaters and insulation over their American counterparts (Known as
        the Canadian Arctic kit to many American readers).

        But enough of history and back to paragraph three.  Reading on
        we see that NADA, which transformed into ADA is now the North
        American Spec (NAS).  Cute.  NAS is what is currently used on the
        new vehicles arriving on our shores, not back in the 1960's.
        Four colours only?  (Pastel Green, Marine Blue, Limestone, and Pppy
        Red)  What happened to Bronze Green, White and Mid Grey?  Oh,
        Series III vehicles only.  Well, mention should be made of these
        colours as well as Sand and Dark Grey.  Whilst Poppy Red may have
        been a NADA only colour, Red was available outside of North
        America.

        Like most Land-Rovers hazad lights may have become standard in 1967
        in North America, they were an option in Canada long before.  On
        Series Ones it was a pull out knob on the 88" instrument panel.

        For Canada, emissions requirements did not take effect until 1972
        along with seatbelts.  Hence you will not find emission stickers
        under the bonnet until the introduction of the Series III.  The
        Series III emission stickers state that the vehicle meets Canadian
        emissions standards.  Maybe American vehicles are covered with
        these sticlers, but the pretense of the article is that it is about
        North American spec vehicles.

        Another mistake.  In 1968 the changeover in electrics was to
        negative earth, not positive earth.  This is denoted in vehicles
        that sport a black instrument panel, unlike the earlier body
        coloured instrument panels.

        15" wheels is a NADA feature, but only on the 88" Land Rovers.
        The 109's continued to arrive with 16" rims.

        Headlamps differed on NADA vehicles starting in 1968?  Well, yes,
        but this was part of a changeover for more markets than just North
        America.  If American lighting regs required this, why is the Jeep
        still running inboard lamps?  NADA vehicles did have unique turn
        signal lamps, being four inch amber lenses.  The stop lamps
        differed from the UK spec too.  Take a look on the back of an
        Austin Healey. You will see the LUCAS 692 lamps with their chrome
        base on that vehicle too.  For side marker lights, Canada required
        reflectors (yellow in the front, red on the rear side) in 1968,
        which changed to marker lamps the following year.  (They are
        basically identical to lamps found on Austin Minis (sold until 1980
        in Canada) MGB's etc.

        It's late, so enough for now... :-)

        Rgds,

        Dixon

	The single malt?  Oh yeah, a nice Isle of Islay.  Goes down well...
	:-)

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Land-rover hazard lights!!!
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 13:50:28 +0930 (CST)

Dixon, in correcting Jim Allens article in LRO writes:
>         Like most Land-Rovers hazad lights may have become standard in 1967
>         in North America, they were an option in Canada long before.  On
>         Series Ones it was a pull out knob on the 88" instrument panel.
  
WOW!....  We really must be backward down here...
  
My 12/82 stage one does NOT have hazard flashers....:-(
   
(we are talking about the Turn Indicators flashing at all four corners arent
we ?)

-- 

  Daryl

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: fuel tanks
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 15:21:21 +0930 (CST)

I checked with Brian, the LHS fuel tank on his '88 was a dealer fitted rover
tank, with the filler/breather relocated to the LHS, he says that it looked
like a genuine LR tank, but has since been replaced with a 15gal (75ish
litre) aftermarket jobbie.

The JRA 6x6 came from the factory with twin underseat 75 litre tanks.

Lloyd writes:

> Some cars here have 2x15 gallons plus the rear SW tank - owner fitted
> I believe.
      
Used to be able to buy these tanks "off the shelf" at aftermarket places,
dont know about today....  BUT: 
That aint the half of it....on the 109 two doors add to this two 40-45 litre
tanks in the space in front of the rear wheels.  Once saw a stage 1 3.9D
hardtop with this setup...  add it up 68+75+75+45+45 = 308 Litres of diesel,
damn near 3000 k range.......  Note that none of these tanks intrude on the
load bay..   For the real hard case distance freak, how about replacing the
rear LHS tool locker with a tank based upon the Hydraulic winch reservoir....
The only one I've seen done like this held about 42 litres I think the owner
said, except that it was used for water.

-- 

  Daryl (still saving for a RHS 75L underseat) Webb 

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