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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: LRO Spouses
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 18:21:34 +0930 (CST)

All this discussion of SO troubles makes me feel quite lucky.  Up until we
moved to Adelaide (Sth-OZ) last year "our" Stage 1 was "her" daily driver and
I had my bike.  Of course with SHMBO on country relief and likely to be sent
300Km away at the drop of a hat it ws rationalised the the stage 1 would cost
too much to run...  So I get it :-)

Still the best LRO's wife award must go to the wife of the SA Landrover
register's departing president..
At the recent Blinman Jamboree, over the May 3-day weekend, (Blinman is
~650Km N of Adelaide) El-Presidente took "Snort" his IIa 88 soft-top.
Friday night about 3 am it started to rain.  Said wife got out of bed and
raced around in barely a nightie looking for (and finding) a tarp to cover
"snort", she didnt want him to get all wet before the trial! 
 El-presidente did not wake from his slumber....

The following day El-presidente informed us that all LRO's should have a wife
like that. (and suggested that if we didnt maybe we shoud look for one.)

Amen is all I can say :-)
-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Paddock
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 95 10:35:29 BST

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 17 lines)]
> LROC of Victoria Australia                      |       2.25 diesel 
> LROC of Gippsland Victoria Australia            |       My car is constipated,
> email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au                   |       It has not passed a 
Craig,
Any comments on the efficiency or otherwise of the parallel wired
heater plugs?Do you now not need the resistance,and does the panel
warning light need replacing or not.A set is on my shopping/wish
list for the coming winter.Be nice to know whether its worth it.

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 21:47:51 +1000
From: Lloyd Allison <lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au>
Subject: Land Rovers in Bosnia

wwwebery:

The Electronic Telegraph (ET) had an article
and picture of an armoured and much beaten up LR
in Bosnia - about a week ago.  I have a copy at
http://www.cs.monash.edu.au/~lloyd/tildeLand-Rover/Newspapers/
(I can't "link" to ET 'cos their pages are all done via cgi-bin scripts.
You have to register to read ET at their site, but it's free (for now?).)

Barry King, who just signed off, recently contributed some pictures
(under Military) including a Shorts armoured car. Buy one of
those and park wherever you want.

Someone wanted jimmyp's URL - there is a link in the home-pages page.

Lloyd
Dept. of Computer Science, Monash University, Clayton, Victoria 3168, AUSTRALIA
tel: 61 3 905 5205       fax: 61 3 905 5146       email: lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au
<A HREF="http://www.cs.monash.edu.au/~lloyd/tildeLand-Rover/">Land-Rover</A>

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From: JDolan2109@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 08:23:46 -0400
Subject: Inaugural drive

Ben Newman wrote:
...1200 mile trip. What is the best way to break this engine in and what is
the best oil to change too. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

My advice is to take the old road. The one where you're not at one constant
RPM for 2-3 hours. The scenery is nicer, you might meet some good people, and
the LR will be more at home. Gently up and down through the RPM ranges. And
watch your right foot! Don't lug it, but don't over rev it. My belief is that
the longer you take to get up to speed, the longer it will last.
For the initial break in period I suggest you use conventional motor oils of
your prefered viscosity. Oils which are synthetic or have friction reducing
additives can interfere with piston ring 'seating', and I would avoid them
for the first several thousand miles.
If you break it in by 300, it might be broken by 30,000.
Oh, and don't forget to wave!
See 'ya on the old road...
Jim  '61 88" SW / OD, 1 Bbl weber & 16's   (econobox?)
LR....quite possibly one of the best machines yet devised! 

P.S. See 'ya at Owl's Head!

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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 10:12:51 -0400
From: gkleiman@gemgroup.com (Gary D. Kleiman)
Subject: Range Rover radio

The radio in my 88 Range Rover recently went dead.  While it does power on, 
its frozen on one station with no sound output.  I would like to replace it 
rather than fix it.  Does anyone have knowledge of a compatible replacement 
which is easy to install and provides the basic AM/FM/Tape Player functions? 
 Please respond to my e-mail address: gkleiman@gemgroup.com  Thank You. Gary 
Kleiman.

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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 95 16:26:49 MET DST
From: "We're in the pipe ... 5 by 5!" <howell@forty2.ENET.dec.com>

[apologies if this is repeated]

Hello all,

	One simple little question.

	Disco alloys onto a Range Rover's hubs. Is it possible? If so, is it 
just a simple, straight swap, or are modifications needed? Or is it just a 
complete no-no?

	I've heard so much conflicting advice here, I thought I'd ask the pro's 
;-)))

Cheers,
Dan

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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 95 16:07:03 MET DST
From: "We're in the pipe ... 5 by 5!" <howell@forty2.ENET.dec.com>

Hello all,

	One very simple question.

	Disco alloy wheels on to Range Rover hubs - is it possible? If so, is it 
just a straight swap, or are mods needed?

	I've heard so many conflicting pieces of advice, I thought I'd ask the 
experts....

	;-)

Cheers,
Dan

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From: Frederick_O._Ellsworth@bcsmac.org (Frederick O. Ellsworth)
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizers
Date: 22 Jun 1995 15:49:28 GMT

Thanks for the input on steering stabilizers everyone, unfortunately I had the
decision made for me this morning (or at least put off).  
I went out to drive my G/F to work this morning - who incidentally loves the
Rover and even paid for 1/2! - and stepped into a puddle of brake fluid.  The
clutch master cylander bit the dust during the night.  So in goes a new M/C
instead of a steering stabilizer.  
Do I really have to take off the left wing to do this?  If so, it seems like
a bit of a design flaw.

Also, the grabbing and bucking from the clutch I complained about awhile back
turned out to be a simple adjustment to the slave cylander pushrod.  (Also
more complicated than it has to be - should be able to do so from underneath
but had to take out all the floorboards/tunnel covers.)

On second thought, how about just a rebuild kit for the master cylander?  I
guess I'll have to take a look at it.  

Thanks all,
Fred

- sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered).

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From: Stephen Thomas <THOMSE-U@m4-arts.bham.ac.uk>
Date:         22 Jun 95 16:40:23 GMT
Subject:      Results!!!!! :)

Hurrah! I passed!!

        No resits!!!

        This also means that we can go on our tour of Scotland in
September like we planned,

        rather than being trapped here doing more exams.....

'Andy' should be back by tuesday (if they pull their fingers out!)

Hurrah!!

Stephen

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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 17:56:16 +0059 (BST)
From: Charlie Wright <cw117@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: diesel glow

Mike,

I used Diesel glow plugs on my last re-build, so it is unfair to compare
them with the previous plugs directly. I didn't try the old plugs in new
engine or new plugs in the old.  I can say that with the parallel plugs,
vastly improved compression and new everything, the engine was more
difficult to start in the morning... I never figured out why. It started 
every time, it just took more cranking than it did before. Odd.

The plugs are  bolt-on really. You get new jumper wires and you still use 
the same ballast resistor. I assume the plugs are just setup for 12v 
instead of 3v. I never understood why anyone would have designed the 
original system anyway... one down they're all down? The pre-heat light 
still worked fine for me.

There is a special offer from someone (I forget) in LROI this month for a 
complete set of D-G plugs at 20 pounds shipped.

Charlie

C. R. Wright                                    Dept. of Genetics
+44 (0)1223 333970 telephone                    Univ. of Cambridge
+44 (0)1223 333992 telefax                      Downing Street, Cambs.
cw117@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk                        CB2 3EH, England

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Subject: LRO
From: brian.imdieke@iotp.com (BRIAN IMDIEKE)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 95 08:45:00 -700

I need the phone number / address of the Land Rover Owner Club (I think
that is the name of it?).  I'd like to become a member.

Anybody?

You've heard from.....

        Brian Imdieke           <brian.imdieke@iotp.com>
        Phoenix, Arizona
        USA

---
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 * KMail 3.00  IOTP: AZ's LARGEST PCBoard - with INTERNET!

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From: "David McKain" <MCKAIN@faculty.coe.wvu.edu>
Date:          Thu, 22 Jun 1995 14:17:20 EDT
Subject:       2 1/4 Temperature Gauge

Does anyone out there know whether a standard? 1/2" pipe thread is 
the correct size for the temperature sender bulb in a 2 1/4 liter 
engine. I am replacing the broken one with a non-original and need to 
know before I take anything apart.

Thanks,

David McKain
1966 SIIa Petrol
mckain@faculty.coe.wvu.edu
(304) 599-0120
Morgantown, WV
USA                     

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Subject: well I was back, 
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 95 14:24:34 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

But now I'll have to leave the Major in charge again, as I've been asked
to head for Jo'burg, S.A. (2000 tonight)  

(If any of the S.A. rover lads want to find me, I'm supposed to be in
either the 'Sand and Sun' hotel, or failing that, the 'Holiday Inn', not
far from the airport -- I might be able to get to my mail Friday.)

Cheers,
  -Bill 

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Date: 22 Jun 1995 11:31:48 U
From: "Sean McInerney" <smcinerney@mail.nrgn.com>
Subject: Nuts and Bolts

                      Subject:                              Time:  11:17 AM
  OFFICE MEMO         Nuts and Bolts                        Date:  06.22.95
I would like to replace hardware thrown out in  the course of repairs with
stainless hardware in SAE or metric sizes.  There are several choices
availible (material yield strength in PSI in parantheses): Silicon Bronze
(75,000);  Monel [nickel-copper alloy 400] (80,000);  Brass (60,000);  2024T4
Aluminum (62,000);  Titanium {yeh, right!} (40,000);  Alloy 20 Stainless
Steel (85,000);  18-8 Stainless Steel (75,000);  304 Stainless Steel
(75,000); and 316 Stainless Steel (75,000).  Are any of these preferable in
application to the Land Rover?  Are there critical applications, such as the
spring hangers or swivel pins, which are inappropriate for such hardware. 
Obviously, this is all irrelavant for tapped holes requiring specific or odd
threads, but where all you need is nuts, bolts, and lockwashers, will such
non-standard conversion be similar in strength to Factory parts?  Medium or
high-strength steel can possess tensile strengths up to 150,000 PSI.  Anyone
out there with metalurgy, machining, or materials expertise?

ALSO....following one of the current yarns......Anyone in North America order
from Famous Four?  What was the experience like?

Sean C. McInerney
1963 IIa 88" HT
"Friends call it 'The Beast'"

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 14:47:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Range Rover radio

>The radio in my 88 Range Rover recently went dead.

Call Brad at Atlantic British.  I upgraded the sound system on my '89 and
traded back the original RR radio for other parts I needed.  He may still
have it.

-

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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 95 13:03:20 PDT
From: grea@virgo.net.gov.bc.ca (Gordon Rea 660-0216 (NTO Vanc.))
Subject: Tyre sizes for SIIa 88

I picked up a set of 16" wheels for my 88 last weekend and hope to get	
set of tyres in the next few days. I see that the 88s came with 7.0x16	
and the 109s have 7.5x16s. Could someone please confirm that 7.5s are 	
OK on and 88".  
Last time I bled the brakes, I broke off a siezed bleeder on a rear wheel
cylinder (not uncommon I hear ). The LRO I bought the wheels from told me
that he did the same thing and now bleeds the brake lines by inserting
a feeler guage between the piston and the cylinder. Sounds like its worth
a try while I have the wheels off.

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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 16:10:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Neil E. Villacorta" <fm00vill@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu>
Subject: Camel Trophy Disco 90

Is it true you can't the Camel Trophy package for the Disco in the U.S.?

Has anyone heard if this is going to change?  How about just getting the 
Turbo Diesel and snorkel kit for the Disco?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

TIA,

:-) neil

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From: Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au>
Subject: Re: Paddock
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 95 9:24:28 EST

> Craig,
> Any comments on the efficiency or otherwise of the parallel wired
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> Cheers
> Mike Rooth

It is hard to say, as when I put the new glow plugs in, I also put a 
second hand head on the motor.  Also, I only had the original ones on 
during this past summer, and know I am in the depths of winter, where I 
am having to glow the motor for about 40-50 seconds.  But I do believe 
that they are better.

As for fitting, you just replace every thing after the resistor, as they 
still need it, I think you will find most diesels need a resistor for 
their glow plugs.  The globe will do fine as well, and I have noticed 
that it starts to glow when you start glowing the motor.

P.S.  Does anyone have any ideas on why my motor burns oil, I have 
replaced the valve guide seals, and the motor has only done about 
10,000K's since it was rebuilt, so I assume the rings are OK.  With the 
amout of smoke the thing poors out when going down a hill, I think my car 
is going to be known as puffing billy (Steam train that runs in Victoria).
The amount of oil it is burning is not very much, but a little bit of oil 
makes a lot of smoke!

--
==============================================================================
Craig Murray                                    |       1955 Series 1 86"
LROC of Victoria Australia                      |       2.25 diesel 
LROC of Gippsland Victoria Australia            |       My car is constipated,
email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au                   |       It has not passed a 
                                                |       thing all day!!

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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 95 16:35 MST
From: jhoward@argus.lowell.edu (James D. Howard II)
Subject: Sputtering 

My SIII has two fuel tanks.  Only one has the gas tank evaporation
recovery system.  Recently, when using this tank, on long runs at high
rpms, the engine has started to sputter.  Switching to the other fuel
tank cures this.

My first suspicion was the charcoal canister was stopped up.  I
disconnected the hose in the top of gas tank that runs to the
expansion tank, which takes the charcoal canister out of the system.
The engine still sputters.  

Anyone have ideas on what to check next?  

Thanks,

James

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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 17:34:38 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Rover Envy

> out Mercedes also - my G/F was the one who suggested BOTH the 95' ( going 
> to be '96 soon ) Disco we have on order as well as the Benz we just 
> bought. She isn't quite as excited as I am about series rovers, but we're 
> working on it. Oh, and shes a Computer Science Masters student; I think 
> we'll have to subscribe her to the list.

You're a lucky man!

>       I hope we won't have to put lots of $$ into our brand-new disco; 
> the payments are going to be large enough. :)

Nah, I meant that instead of buying silly stuff like flowers, fancy dinners, 
and expensive jewelry, one could buy cool stuff like a raised air intake, or 
fancy floormats, or new seats, etc.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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From: Kd4ylx@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 20:54:12 -0400
Subject: Re: Range Rover radio

Gary: I was interested to read about your radio. my 88 Range Rover
radio has a problem in that it can not remember the special
code that is required once the radio is removed and then reinstalled.
We must now enter the code every time the radio is operated. I am 
now looking for a replacement as well unless anyone on the list has
a solution. Best regards, Meade
kd4ylx@aol.com

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Date: 22 Jun 95 21:24:23 EDT
From: "WILLIAM  L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Subject: 109 v 88

Several years ago a dealer acquaintance who did some off road Land Rover racing
had an 88 with a worked on engine. It was noticed that a standard 109 that they
had in for resale would leave the 88 well behind. They then spent some time
changing the engines, and surprise surprise the 109 still beat the 88, no
explanation was ever found for this phenomena.

  James   -- the distibutor in your MGB is a Lucas model  25D4, the advance
retard angles and revolutions, and the vacuum advance angle are different to the
Land Rover. The 25D4 was fitted to almost all the British Leyland, Austin,
Morris, Rover, MG, Triumph etc 4 cylinder engines with various angle and
revolution characteristics. If you have any need for the data I have a 1970
Lucas list which gives most of the angles etc for weach part number.

Regards  Bill Leacock   Limey in exile.

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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 23:05:15 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Shifty levers

I've broken a shift lever - flush at the ball - twice!  (A closer 
examination the second time showed irregularities in the structure of the 
metal.)  The first time it happened it was -35F, and the Jay Peak ski area, 
home to the most cold-hardened skiers in the US, was closed due to wind 
chills of over -100.  Nothing to do but head back to the lodge.  
Downshifting into 2nd, the lever came clean off...in neutral.  No response 
on the CB (in a narrow valley) and the second car to come by in 2 hours said 
he'd call a tow truck (it was later found to be broken down in the town 
garage's only reapir bay). When beer began to freeze inside the cooler even 
with the Smith's on high, it was time for action.  Took the Phillips 
screwdriver from the tool roll, flattened it with a roadside rock [See: "Ten 
Most Valuable Tools of All Time"] and used it to make a 4" shift lever.  
Good enough for 1st and 2nd...couldn't make the throw to 3rd.  Drove 15 
miles to town and spent the rest of the day dismantling the front floors in 
-25 weather.  Glad there was "Kilgore's New Trout Saloon" next to the 
garage.  Cheers.
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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From: Frederick_O._Ellsworth@bcsmac.org (Frederick O. Ellsworth)
Subject: Clutch M/C Replacement
Date: 23 Jun 1995 00:08:28 GMT

So thinking I'd save a few bucks, I decided to order the rebuild kit >before<
I yanked the clutch master cylander.  Unfortunately, as payment for not
giving up the ghost in the middle of nowhere the Rover demanded a whole new
master cylander.  The casing was cracked through around one of the threaded
mounting holes and the P/O had just used a smaller diameter bolt with a nut
and big washer to hold it (and the broken piece) on.  

Actually, Rovers North did all the work for the P/O (I have the reciepts) and
I'm really beginning to wonder about the quality of their shop work.  They
did more shoddy work than you can shake a stick at, or in this case a broken
master cylander.  Especially since they got him for something to the tune of
$10,000 plus over all!!!  (For that kind of money I'd expect a hell of a job
- on EVERY DETAIL.)  

But back to my story.  The gist of it is that I'm Roverless (and vehicleless)
for an extra day cause UPS had already shipped for the day.  But on the
brighter side I was pleasantly surprised to find that I didn't have to remove
the entire left wing to get at the master cylander.  After removing the
steering box cover and splash guard I was able to unbolt the whole unit,
bracket, pedal and all, and slip it out through the wheel well with only one
or two strategic twists.  

I take back what I said about the design flaw.  

Fred

PS I'll always agree to go whole hog on repairs if the Rover agrees only to
break down outside my front door.  This is the second time it has happened,
last time I lost reverse gear as I was backing into a parking space ten feet
from my front door.  I love this car!

- via BulkRate 2.0

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From: JFisk1120@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 00:50:32 -0400
Subject: Re: MIRACLE ENGINE MIX

While visiting Trevor Easton in Toronto, I mentioned that I had just
purchased a '74 III 88" as a parts source for the '70 IIA 109" which I am
renewing for my non-envious spouse Jan.  Trevor recommended a mechanics brew
of diesel fuel and transmission fluid (50/50) to free up the engine prior to
hand cranking.  The '74 is a one owner which a doctor brought over from
England some years ago and hasn't been started for over ten years.  While I
waited for the Miracle Engine Mixture to do its magic, I looked over the
parts car and the more I looked the better it looked.  With the exception of
a very small ding on the right wing, the body was perfect and absolutely
complete.  By the end thirty days, (Trevor made me promise to wait) I had
made up my mind to renew this unit as well.  Can you imagine the Rover
Madness in my household, envy or not?  Well, as luck would have it the '74
cranked right over and has made a  marvelous recovery with the minor
exception of a damaged cam.

My brother-in-law enters the picture at this point.  Keith, currently drives
a perfectly restored "72 III 88", however, he finds it very limiting, because
he doesn't want to damage his painstakingly renewed Rover.  At this point,
practicality and 4 X 4 "enginuity" took over and Keith became the proud owner
of a well worn woodland Rover and I was saved the trauma of a restoration by
finding garage space for the renewed '72.  We have a happy garage, just
brimming with driving options.  No Trevor, I don't feel a bit guilty!  Thanks
to you and my patience, my parts car turned into a show car.

Happy off road adventures to all of you this weekend.  By the way, we are
still spraying paint on the 109" with no end of fumes in sight.

J. Howard Fisk
Springfield, Missouri

' 64 IIA 88"                LION-B8
' 70 IIA 109"              CAMEL-1
' 74' III 88"                 SAFARI
' 91 RR County          FISK-11 (hers)
' 93 RR LWB County  FISK-1  (mine)

P. S.  Todd, I can't believe you drove by tonight and didn't spot it!

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From: Willyz@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 01:13:15 -0400
Subject: Speedo for 16" wheels................

Hey All. Just finished mounting my 16" wheels on my Series III 88. It's nice
how it steers much easier now, I expected the opposite. Anyway, now I need a
speedodometer calibrated for 16" wheels! Anybody got one laying around (the
U.S.) they might want to part with? I also now have a set of (5) 15" wheels
with 235/85 Firestones mounted if anyone wants to buy/swap for. 

Bill Kaszer
73 Series III

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From: Willyz@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 01:17:49 -0400
Subject: Speedo for 16" wheels................

Hey All. Just finished mounting my 16" wheels on my Series III 88. It's nice
how it steers much easier now, I expected the opposite. Anyway, now I need a
speedodometer calibrated for 16" wheels! Anybody got one laying around (the
U.S.) they might want to part with? I also now have a set of (5) 15" wheels
with 235/85 Firestones mounted if anyone wants to buy/swap for. 

Bill Kaszer
73 Series III

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