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1 cs@crl.com (Michael Carr37Re: Atlantic British of Calif...
2 jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell)10Re: Temperature's rising
3 Donald Abbot [donald@spl21Locks and tumblers
4 cs@crl.com (Michael Carr17Re: S III timing
5 cs@crl.com (Michael Carr44Re: Locks and tumblers
6 Donald Abbot [donald@spl23Re: Locks and tumblers
7 Tom Stevenson [gbfv08@ud28Bench seats & stuff
8 azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woo19Re: Selling RR & Def 110
9 Mike Rooth [M.J.Rooth@lu13Re: Wee Jock's Lament......how could they? (sob sob)
10 mcka_le0@paisley.ac.uk (35Re: Selling RR & Def 110
11 "Jeff Young" [young@mci.27[not specified]
12 Pierce Reid [70004.4011@18Screen Wipers
13 Russell Burns [burns@cis17Re: Deep water crossings
14 "Seymour, Gareth" [GSeym19Promo day.
15 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em18Re: OVLR goings-on
16 "Guzelis.Pete" [guzelis.16RE: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
17 cs@crl.com (Michael Carr30Re: Locks and tumblers
18 DEBROWN@SRP.GOV 69fixin' up a 2a-88. Need advice
19 "TeriAnn Wakeman" [twak29Re: S III timing
20 Spenny@aol.com 22Re: OVLR goings-on
21 i.mitchell@ic.ac.uk 24Re:Mirrors and Beds
22 Mike Fredette [mfredett@32[not specified]
23 Easton Trevor [TEASTON@D17Steering Dampers
24 Easton Trevor [TEASTON@D15Bleeding Brakes
25 Easton Trevor [TEASTON@D21Rovers at the Rovers,Annealing
26 cs@crl.com (Michael Carr73Re: fixin' up a 2a-88. Need advice
27 jcfltee@CAM.ORG (Christi18Land Rover clubs in Canada
28 DEBROWN@SRP.GOV 45Fixin' up the ole 88...
29 "Russell G. Dushin" [dus14Re: fixin' up a 2a-88. Need advice
30 kirkwood@strider.fm.inte24Re: Land Rover clubs in Canada
31 Ray Harder [ccray@showme37The cars in my life...
32 "Steve Methley" [sgm@hpl13[not specified]
33 Ray Harder [ccray@showme36Re: 2cv list
34 rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca11[not specified]
35 Rod Hutchinson [rhutch@n11Fairey Overdrive
36 BobandSueB@aol.com 38ign switch wiring
37 JCassidyiv@aol.com 14CD changer in Disco
38 RJOgomori@aol.com 20Re: Annealing
39 RJOgomori@aol.com 11Rover Toys
40 BobandSueB@aol.com 14zenith carb poppet valve
41 rover@pinn.net (Alexande14Ooops!
42 jpappa01@InterServ.Com 30Re: FW DEF 90 LONG TERM
43 Kelly Minnick [minnick@j21Fuse


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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 23:43:56 +0100
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Re: Atlantic British of Calif...

 Chris Whitehead <Sekerere@aol.com> writes:

 Sure do!  I had a credit of over $250 with him some time ago, to
 which he applied small purchases for over a year.  At one point I
 became confused as to what my balance was.  He took his time to
 respond, checking all his records to be certain there were no
 ommissions, and then he sent me ALL previous invoices.  To my
 embarassment and his professionalism, I ATE CROW!

 (Tom didn't set himself up in business, serving the Land Rover
 community for 22 years, in a grand scheme to suddenly disappear
 and abscond with YOUR $40!  Or did he?)
 
>I had called him two weeks ago about it to remind him.  I also tried
 (916) 778-3937 which I found  ...no one answers that number. 

>It is all a bit fishy as they just seem to have disappeared.
 By the way what number did you reach Tom on when you last called?

 The number above is the correct number for Tom Gannon, Atlantic British
 of California, soon to be D.A.P., a mergence of British Rovers, Atlantic
 British of California, and of course D.A.P. Enterprises of Springfield,
 VT 802-885-6660.  Tom (or his machine) answers the phone during business
 hours, and reports he's working on a new catalog --can't wait!

-Michael Carradine
 cs@crl.com
 Michael Carradine    Carradine Studios                   Tel.510-254-3324
 Architect            Architecture Development Planning   Pgr.510-945-5000
 NCARB RIBA           PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA           cs@crl.com

 Unimog 4x4 WWW page at http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html

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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 23:53:26 -0700
From: jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell)
Subject: Re: Temperature's rising

: He does think (and will not hesitate to tell
: you!) that the Internet Land Rover list is the "epitome of old
: washerwomen gossip driven to new heights" by the medium.

Does Bruce have some problem with this long and venerable oral tradition? ;)

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 09:06:52 +0200 (GMT+0200)
From: Donald Abbot <donald@spl.co.za>
Subject: Locks and tumblers

The house was broken into last week - not once but several times. Each
time the MO was the same. It turned out to be a young boy, age about 12. 
Amongst the things he took were the keys to the Series III. He may well
have tried to drive it because each day it was in a different position in
the drive-way. Apparently he failed to get it started. Eventually he was
caught and handed over to the police. Some odds and ends were recovered
but no keys. The driver's door is open but the rear door is locked (109
safari top). Does anyone know what is required to replace the tumblers? Is
the procedure described in Haynes? (I have a lesser manual.)

The kid is back on the street now and although I hope that he has lost
them I would rather not take chances. 

Thank you

Donald ... devastated

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 00:24:15 +0100
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Re: S III timing

  TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@apple.com> writes:

> My 109 has a series III engine that has a front pully timing mark that has
two points.
> So the question is what do the two points signify.  My guess is 3 degrees
before TDC and TDC.

  TDC and x degrees ATDC.  Timing at idle goes to ATDC, static to BTDC
  (somewhere in 4-11 degree BTDC range).

--Michael Carradine
  cs@crl.com

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 01:03:44 +0100
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Re: Locks and tumblers

 Donald Abbot <donald@spl.co.za> writes:

>The house was broken into last week - not once but several times.
 Some odds and ends were recovered but no keys. 
 Does anyone know what is required to replace the tumblers? 

 Are you saying you have a set of duplicate keys now?  I've been told
 that locks can't be modified or new ones cannot be bought to match
 existing locks.  Replacing the entire lock sets and ignition lock is
 quite expensive.

>The kid is back on the street now and although I hope that he has lost
>them I would rather not take chances.

 Consider installing a keyed battery cutoff switch, such as the one made
 by Bosch (about US$25).  I installed the Bosch unit into the firewall
 with the 1" diameter black barrel protruding about 1/2" into the lower
 cab --it is barely visible as the mounting bolts are flush and hidden
 under the carpet facing!  The unit comes with two large orange "keys",
 one of which is inserted into the barrel and turned 90 degrees.  This
 is an effective anti-theft device (I also locked the hood and gas tank),
 and is recommended for travel into any 3rd world (and now 2nd and 1st
 as well!) area.  I installed it initially to prevent a trickle discharge
 of the battery.  Off-roaders and racers use it to cut off electrical
 power in the event of a crash, preventing a possible spark to spilled
 fuel.  It's also handy to just cut off electrical power when servicing
 anything electrical or fuel oriented on the vehicle.

 There are some sophisticated battery cut-off devices available as well.
 These units will shut down the vehicle after a few minutes of driving,
 usually several blocks away from YOU, stranding the vehicle.  Or, just
 a simple alarm could do, with a secret switch somewhere.  The simple
 battery switch is still best though (in my opinion).

 Michael Carradine    Carradine Studios                   Tel.510-254-3324
 Architect            Architecture Development Planning   Pgr.510-945-5000
 NCARB RIBA           PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA           cs@crl.com

 Unimog 4x4 WWW page at http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 10:26:15 +0200 (GMT+0200)
From: Donald Abbot <donald@spl.co.za>
Subject: Re: Locks and tumblers

On Tue, 25 Apr 1995, Michael Carradine responded:

>  Are you saying you have a set of duplicate keys now?  

No. I omitted to say that I haven't got a spare set. Now I can't lock the
driver's door, unlock the rear door or start the vehicle. I know that I
can open the rear door by undoing the hinges but what can I do about the
lock? 
 
>  Consider installing a keyed battery cutoff switch, such as the one made
>  by Bosch (about US$25).

I think that this is a good idea but I still need to sort out the locks and 
the ignition switch.

Thank you

Donald

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From: Tom Stevenson <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Bench seats & stuff
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 10:32:13 +0100 (BST)

Pierce
If possible, try and get some second hand original LR-made bench seats,
as these in my experience are much more sturdily made than pattern
replacements, as well as having galvanised rather than painted frames.

As for a shotgun box, I think LR themselves make one that will carry two
broken down guns, but I suspect it is very expensive. I carry mine
tucked away behind the front seats when travelling, and never leave the
vehicle unattended. I did once make a sort of safe out of a long
steel ammunition case (plentiful from any ex-WD yard) which was bolted
behind the rear bulkhead between the wheelboxes, but it tended to:
a) act as a trap for dog hair, feathers, mud & straw
b) got in the way all the time, especially with long loads
c) rattled a lot

I'm pining for my own LR at the moment, which is currently
hors-de-combat with a leaking rear engine seal and slipping clutch.

-- 
Tom Stevenson: gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk
University Marine Biological Station, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland
Tel:(01475) 530581  Fax:(01475) 530601

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Selling RR & Def 110
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 10:46:28 UNDEFINED

> Am I to  assume that the Disco is much more reliable (?) since it is of 
> fairly new lineage?

Top Git^H^Hear recently did a BIG survey (much hated by manufacturers 
incidentally) in which viewers contributed their views of how much they liked 
their car and how much trouble it had been. (Modelled on a similar survay 
regularly taken in teh US).

The Disco came out VERY badly, being somewhere near the bottom.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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+++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Wee Jock's Lament......how could they? (sob sob)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 11:06:08 BST

> > How 'bout that second rover with the bonnet box and the kit in the rear ?
> > that didn't sound like a 2.25...
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>            Play -- <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>
> #======================================================================#
Got a split windshield,though,hasnt it?
Mike Rooth

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 11:58:48 GMT
From: mcka_le0@paisley.ac.uk (Paddy McKay)
Subject: Re: Selling RR & Def 110

I don't seem to have the original posting to this, but from the small bit
below I can say this.

>> Am I to  assume that the Disco is much more reliable (?) since it is of 
>> fairly new lineage?

I posted a request for information about Disco transmission problems about 3
weeks ago. If you remember I have had about four warranty claims since I got
the car 7 months ago, on a car that has mostly done motorway (freeway) driving.

I also received a few other stories of similar problems, and I will be
following these up to the list soon.

I don't want to frighten you off buying a Disco (I love driving mine), but
the servicing costs are pretty frightening (certainly at LandRover Dealer
prices - which you have to go to to maintian the warranty). I will be
looking around for a cheaper place to service it when the warranty expires
in August.

cheers

paddy
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Subject: Re: Gotchas of the Suburban vs. the Rangie 
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 08:27:59 -0400
From: "Jeff Young" <young@mci.net>

thanks guys - 

i figure that it'll be easier after a few years to ease my
wife into a 109 door-mobile (something i can get really muddy-
put a winch on-camp in-etc) after she realizes how reliable and long-
lived these things really are.  

til then i'll just have to use her RR to do 'em..

first order is a roof rack and some rubber mats.

Jeff Young
young@mci.net

> Congratulations!
> Now, just do the regular maintenance and you should expect that 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> said 3-year-old will learn to drive on it.
> 	-Bill

> Bravo. Never, but never buy a GMC truck.
> Charlie
> '66 109 3/4 canvas

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Date: 25 Apr 95 08:52:52 EDT
From: Pierce Reid <70004.4011@compuserve.com>
Subject: Screen Wipers

Charlie:

Don't know what issue, but if you need any help rebuilding, I have done a bunch
of Lucas Wiper motors and would be glad to help.  Mostly, they are bulletproof,
but the phenolic Resin gear tends to strip.  Finding replacement gears used to
be a pain in the (*&(, but someone may be remaking them now.

Feel free to contact me offline if you need any help, but they are basically
straightforward to service and rebuild.

Cheers, 

R. P. Reid

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: Deep water crossings
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 6:34:08 PDT

> of "four Wheeler" was brought up for discussion.  The article on
> water/wading depths listed the Defender 90's depth as 20 inches.  This
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> depth of the water.  Let me say that the doors seal quite well though,
> and the tailgate does fair.
The computer is mounted on the front bulkhead above the passengers feet.
If the water inside gets above the seat level I would start worrying.

Russ Burns
94 D-90
91 R-Rover

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From: "Seymour, Gareth" <GSeymour@mp.sihe.ac.uk>
Subject: Promo day.
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 12:52:00 PDT

Hello anyone in the South Wales, U.K.  area.

The Glamorgan Offroad Club are holding a trial and are marking out a 
non-damaging scenic route of between 5 and 10 miles, could even be more, on 
Sunday the 30th. April. The site is off the A4063 about 4 miles north of 
Maesteg at Cymmer. The trial costs L15 for non members (L3 included for 
temp. club membership) with the scenic route costing L10. The route can be 
driven as much as you like and the trial sections will be viewable from the 
route.

More details on the club or Sunday's meeting available from...

g.seymour@sihe.ac.uk

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 09:43:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: OVLR goings-on

On Tue, 25 Apr 1995 LANDROVER@delphi.com wrote:

> I think he want's to ride with someone on the off-road... heh, heh, heh...
> We can fit him in... somewhere... 

	Russ's seat in Steve's 109 SW are free this year... :-)

> Quatorze?? Like July 14th in France? 

	They don't give a shit about that in Quebec.  The big party day
	is the 24th of June.  St Jean Baptiste Day (RC Patron saint of Canada
	actually...).  France went all democratic after we beat them on the
	Plains of Abraham.

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Date: 25 Apr 1995 07:20:08 U
From: "Guzelis.Pete" <guzelis.pete@ssdgwy.mdc.com>
Subject: RE: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Thought you all would like to hear that L/R's are not all play. Saw a very
depressing picture (AP Photo) in the LA Times yesterday of a "110" (I think)
bringing aid to the Hutu refugees in a camp in Rwanda. Better to have the best
of vehicles to provide humanitarian aid to the needy.
_______________________________________________________________________________
From: Land-Rover-Owner@uk.stratus.com on Tue, Apr 25, 1995 12:49 AM
Subject: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
File(s): The Land Rover Owner Daily Dige

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 08:44:47 +0100
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Re: Locks and tumblers

Donald Abbot <donald@spl.co.za> writes:
>>  Are you saying you have a set of duplicate keys now?  
>No. I omitted to say that I haven't got a spare set. Now I can't lock the
 driver's door, unlock the rear door or start the vehicle. I know that I
 can open the rear door by undoing the hinges but what can I do about the
 lock? 
>>Consider installing a keyed battery cutoff switch, such as the one made
  by Bosch (about US$25).
>I think that this is a good idea but I still need to sort out the locks and 
 the ignition switch.

 You can open the rear door from the inside handle, it has the same lock
 as the right side door (they are switchable).  I'd take a door lock out
 (rear, and temporarily tie shut) and take it to locksmith to fit a new
 key.  Hopefully you're one of the lucky chaps that has all keys still
 keyed alike.  The keys/locks to a Series III are so inprecise that almost
 and key will work.  Mine were so badly worn that they were almost
 indistinguishable.  Anyway, with one new key you can drive the thing, and
 then install the keyed battery cut-off switch.
 
 Michael Carradine    Carradine Studios                   Tel.510-254-3324
 Architect            Architecture Development Planning   Pgr.510-945-5000
 NCARB RIBA           PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA           cs@crl.com

 Unimog 4x4 WWW page at http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 09:22:10 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: fixin' up a 2a-88. Need advice

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: fixin' up a 2a-88. Need advice
I just bought a 1971 series 2a 88 (for my son, mostly) and as this is my
first series rover, I have a few questions.

1. Transmission makes a LOUD whine when decelerating in 2nd gear.
Accelerating is fine. Also, slips out of 3rd gear after a minute or so
if not held there. What should I look for when opening it up? Probable
causes? Costs?

2. Finally convinced my son that it WON'T have a V8 in her, but agreed
to put bigger tires on. What's the tallest tire (size) for 15" rims? I'd
like to keep the spare on the hood, but if wider tire will fit, I could
hang it on the rear. Anyone know a source for white spoke wheels? Should
I get 16" rims? She currently has street tires on her... those GOTTA go!

3. It has the headlights in the "breakfast". Is this normal for a '71
2A? It must have been in an accident at one time as the frame has been
repaired on the driver (lhd) side front, so I'm thinking that maybe they
put a whole front clip on, maybe not being able to locate anything
else???

4. The power brakes don't work, and make a big vacuum sound when
pressing on the petal. What would this most likely be? Booster bad? Can
they be fixed? Rebuilt?

5. Driving from Cottonwood to Phoenix she got around 10miles/gallon. How
should I adjust or check carburetor? (Weber)

The vehicle is in excellent to poor shape. Excellent engine (rebuilt)
and totally rust free frame, body is very rough with numerous dents,
dings, etc... There is not a single part of the body that has no dents
of dings... well, maybe the hood is "clean". This is going to be the
family "desert basher" (mind you, I will be treading lightly, and
teaching my son the same) so looks are of minimal importance. Interior
is fair for the age, carpet is intact, basically complete, but has
been... shall we say... "customized" with replacement choke cable,
broken switches (plastics broken off, but the switches work) original
seats, vinyl is split at all stitches...

I'm planning to teach my son the basic mechanics of "fixing things" and
couldn't think of a better vehicle to do that with! His first
"assignment" is to take off the parking brake drum so we can clean out
the oil and gunk, and then see if it'll hold. I showed him what nuts to
remove, then reminded him which way to turn the wrench (he's 15.5 years
old) and he looked at me like I was from Mars or something, and said "I
know dad, leftie loosen, rightie tightie." I just smiled and shook my
head....

Thanks in advance for your input! I really appreciate any input, whether
good or bad. (or especially humorous!)

Dave Brown - Phoenix AZ. (USA) - '94 Land Rover Discovery (still for
sale, but now at a drastically reduced price) '71 series 2a 88, '70
series 2a 109 (picking up on the "left" coast next week) '86 Acura.

P.S. (sorry so long...)

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 09:37:54 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: S III timing

In message <199504250727.AA16583@mail.crl.com> Michael Carradine writes:
:   TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@apple.com> writes:
: 
: > My 109 has a series III engine that has a front pully timing mark that has
: two points.
: > So the question is what do the two points signify.  My guess is 3 degrees
: before TDC and TDC.
: 
:   TDC and x degrees ATDC.  Timing at idle goes to ATDC, static to BTDC
:   (somewhere in 4-11 degree BTDC range).
: 
: --Michael Carradine
:   cs@crl.com
 

???? Sorry but your message confused me.  If one mark is top dead center and the
other is after top dead center, how do you set the timing to a specific place 
before top dead center during static timing without timing marks???

TeriAnn Wakeman              .sig closed for remodeling
twakeman@apple.com         
              
                         
                       

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From: Spenny@aol.com
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 12:41:34 -0400
Subject: Re: OVLR goings-on

   Mike writes...
   Uncle Roger... bring a snorkle! Dixon mentioned something
   about a beaver dam.. I just love beaver dams... heh, heh, heh....

Roger,
if you're going to ride with Mike, I'd also bring a couple of extra spare
tyres as well... <bg>

Rgds...
Spenny

Spencer K. C. Norcross                               Spenny@aol.com
Haverhill, Mass. USA                                   508-521-4093
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From: i.mitchell@ic.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 18:42:14 BST
Subject: Re:Mirrors and Beds

Hi all
Thanks to everyone who replied concerning my mirrors and beds.  It looks
like I'll opt for the 110 mirrors.  I know it's not really original stuff
for my SIII but at least I'll feel a bit more relaxed while driving with 
the soft top on.

As for the beds, thanks for the suggestions, I'll file them away until
nearer the summer hols.

Dixon Kenner wrote	
>  	Russell Dushin wrote a piece on this with the various specs.  If
>	he doesn't have it, I may be able to dig up a copy, though I 
>	understand that it has yet to be properly tested...

Russell if you are out there could you send me a copy of your specs
please.

Cheers Ian

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Subject: Re: Locks and tumblers 
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 11:14:09 -0700
From: Mike Fredette <mfredett@ichips.intel.com>

Mr Carradine advises Donald

	
>The house was broken into last week - not once but several times.
 Some odds and ends were recovered but no keys. 
 Does anyone know what is required to replace the tumblers? 

 Are you saying you have a set of duplicate keys now?  I've been told
 that locks can't be modified or new ones cannot be bought to match
 existing locks.  Replacing the entire lock sets and ignition lock is
 quite expensive.

	No they are not expensive or difficult to replace. Rovers North
part number MTC6505 is a set of four matched lock cylinders including the 
ignition with key, all for $29.50. It's a relatively simple operation to
remove the old latch assys, take out the tumbler cylinder, and pop in the
new one. I did it on my 60 Ser ll 109, my 72 Ser lll, and now am doing it
on the D90. $30 bucks is pretty cheap compared to installing that battery 
cutoff thing AND going to a locksmith to try and get a new key figured out,
which is a doubtful thing. The reason for the D90 operation, is to allow a
key to lock the rear tailgate. The 94's, since there was no hardtop offered,
Land Rover apparently thought it unneccessary to be able to lock. The 95's
now have a key lock, but in order to avoid having yet a FOURTH key, I'm just 
changing all the doors to match.

Rgds
Mike Fredette
Portland, Orygun 

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Steering Dampers
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 95 09:16:00 DST

Maybe I'm stupid (?) but how can one remove the steering damper/relay. The 
drag rod from the steering box would have to go straight through the engine 
to get to the front wheel.
but seriously (almost) what  about :-
1) Filling the unit with an exotic PTFE oil to reduce the friction of the 
damper cones?
2) Remove damping cones from relay?
3) Fitting external adjustable telescopic steering damper?
4) Fitting rack and pinion steering under front cross member? (with #3)

Trevor (Mad Inventor) Easton 1962 SWB SW teaston2dqc2.dofasco.ca

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Bleeding Brakes
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 95 08:50:00 DST

Lloyd Tunbridge wrote about using a modified reservoir cap to create a 
pressure bleeding system. Great idea, I've done the same thing but used a 
straight nipple and short hose to a separate reservoir of fresh fluid (Jam 
jar) then pressurise this with tyre pump. This way you can watch the level 
in the jar as you course vast quantities of fresh fluid through your system 
and top up before you flush nice fresh air from the empty reservoir and have 
to start all over again.

Trevor Easton 1962 SWB SW teaston@dqc2.dofasco.com

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Rovers at the Rovers,Annealing
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 08:05:00 DST

Toronto Area Rover Club will be holding the Fourth 'Rovers at the Rovers" 
this year on September 16th starting at 2.30pm. This event is a get together 
for both Land Rover and Rover Car owners. During the afternoon there is a 
fun type pictographic treasure hunt, locate the picture; fill in the blank; 
answer the cryptic clue, followed by an evening of dining, prizes and live 
entertainment to the keyboard, guitar and vocals of Ted McKee. Typically we 
have seen between twenty and thirty assorted vehicles and this year hope for 
more. There will be a preregistration in July/August so we can try to have 
an idea of numbers. Post a message to me for more information.

When annealing alumin(i)um, a method of determining the right temperature is 
to stroke a non safety match across the surface. If it leaves a line the 
temp is ok, if no line warm up some more, if it lights or the alumin(i)um 
drops away it is too hot. Welding supply houses can supply wax pencils 
called Tempilstiks that do the same thing but with greater precision. 

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 11:53:03 +0100
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Re: fixin' up a 2a-88. Need advice

David Brown <dewbrown@srp.gov> writes:

>I just bought a 1971 series 2a 88 (for my son, mostly) and as this is my
 first series rover, I have a few questions.

 So, YOUR the one who beat me to this fine vintage vehicle by less than
 60 minutes!!

>1. Transmission makes a LOUD whine when decelerating in 2nd gear.

 Take it out of gear and use the brakes.  (no brakes? Hmmmm.,.)

>Accelerating is fine. Also, slips out of 3rd gear after a minute or so
 if not held there. What should I look for when opening it up? Probable
 causes? Costs?

 Sounds like you'll be making a phone call to Scotty in Concord, CA
 (510-686-2255), the preminent Rover transmission specialist on the
 west coast.  He can also modify the gearbox for full syncro.

>2. Finally convinced my son that it WON'T have a V8 in her,...

 Maybe you'll settle for a Chevy 6 cylinder.  Scotty sells adapter
 plates, and installation modification instructions are free!
 
>She currently has street tires on her... those GOTTA go!

 So what's wrong with whitewalls??

>3. It has the headlights in the "breakfast". Is this normal for a '71
 2A? 

 They changed over after '68 (or was it '69).

>4. The power brakes don't work, and make a big vacuum sound when
 pressing on the petal.

 Sort of like a sucking sound on the wallet??

>What would this most likely be? Booster bad? Can they be fixed? Rebuilt?

 Rovers North had a rebuilt kit, but again, it depends on the specific
 malfunction.  You might also get a used one in good condition (and rebuild
 that) from a Roverhead who's parting one out (seen several posts to that
 effect in the last few weeks).

>5. Driving from Cottonwood to Phoenix she got around 10miles/gallon. How
 should I adjust or check carburetor? (Weber)

 You should be getting at least 17-18 mpg.

>The vehicle is in excellent to poor shape. Excellent engine (rebuilt)
 and totally rust free frame, body is very rough with numerous dents,
 ---much good stuff deleted-----
 broken switches (plastics broken off, but the switches work) original
 seats, vinyl is split at all stitches...

 I REALLY like the custom rear view mirror sertup as well.  And the
 roof-rack looked real sturdy too!

>Thanks in advance for your input! I really appreciate any input, whether
 good or bad. (or especially humorous!)

 Michael Carradine    Carradine Studios                   Tel.510-254-3324
 Architect            Architecture Development Planning   Pgr.510-945-5000
 NCARB RIBA           PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA           cs@crl.com

 Unimog 4x4 WWW page at http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 15:33:12 -0400
From: jcfltee@CAM.ORG (Christian Tassé)
Subject: Land Rover clubs in Canada

Hi everyone,

I am fairly new to this list. I am a six months old Discovery owner and
would like to find out anything and everything about Land Rover clubs (if
there any) in my region. I am from St-Sauveur-des-Monts, Quebec, which is
about 45 minutes from Montr=E9al, 3.5 hours from Qu=E9bec city, 2 hours from
Ottawa and 6 hours from Toronto.

Many thanks in advance...

Salut,

Christian Tass=E9

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 12:53:06 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: Fixin' up the ole 88...

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: Fixin' up the ole 88...
Michael, I'm "slightly" red faced, didn't mean to beat you to the 88,
did you see her? Aren't you from California? Are you here in Arizona??
Yes, it DOES have whitewall tires!

Really? did I miss you by 60 minutes? Maybe you may have seen a black
Discovery flying by you at 100MPH! ;-) Did you drive up from Phoenix? Or
down from Flagstaff?

Yes, I kind-of figured a rebuilt trans into the cost... I doubt I'll be
changing the engine unless it goes out. It's just a "for fun" truck.
Btw, the price was $2350. Sound reasonable? (Considering the lack of
supply of Land Rovers here.)

Anyone know what year/make vehicle vacuum booster will work on a series
2a?

> I REALLY like the custom rear view mirror setup as well. And the
> roof-rack looked real sturdy too!

You really WERE there!! If you live near Mesa (Fiesta mall area) I'd be
happy to share the joys of working on her with you. Even taking her out
to play! Just let me know! But I must first get her licensed and
emission tested. Actually, the rear view mirrors LOOK cool, but don't
function worth a darn. They shake, don't stay adjusted, and are a real
PAIN to adjust. And they really don't provide a very large viewing area.
The huge, long internal rear view mirror works fairly well, but could be
lowered to view further behind the vehicle.

Are you a unimog owner? I love those things!

Thanks,

#=======#                Never doubt that a small group of individuals
|__|__|__\___            can change the world... indeed, it's the only
| _|  |   |_ |}          thing that ever has.
"(_)""""""(_)"                                          -Margaret Mead

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: fixin' up a 2a-88. Need advice
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 16:14:57 EDT

> Dave Brown - Phoenix AZ. (USA) - '94 Land Rover Discovery (still for
> sale, but now at a drastically reduced price) '71 series 2a 88, '70
> series 2a 109 (picking up on the "left" coast next week) '86 Acura.

CONGRADULATIONS, but I was hoping you'd tell us you got it on an
even trade.....

rd/nige

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From: kirkwood@strider.fm.intel.com (Clayton Kirkwood)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 13:15:27 -0700
Subject: Re: Land Rover clubs in Canada

On Apr 25,  3:33pm, Christian Tassi wrote:
> Subject: Land Rover clubs in Canada
> Hi everyone,

> I am fairly new to this list. I am a six months old Discovery owner and

I hate it when six months old kids start driving. My youngest is nine months
old
and she is only about ready to start walking. And driving a Disco to boot ;>}

> Many thanks in advance...
> Hi everyone,

> Christian Tass=E9
>-- End of excerpt from Christian Tassi

-- 
Clayton R. Kirkwood, FM1-58, 916 356-5838

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 16:05:31 -0500 (CDT)
From: Ray Harder <ccray@showme.missouri.edu>
Subject: The cars in my life...

An interesting thread going on over on the 2cv list -- although 
not a 2cv owner I am a subscriber and thought I would post my 
car list -- and CROSS POST it.  Don't try to read anything into 
my personality.  For many of these cars, it was not love, 
merely wrong place/wrong time and lack of $$$.

54 chevrolet 210 4-door green        <--- first car @$200 15.5 years old
57 chevrolet 210 4-door pink
54 ford v8 2-door black (got a ticket for loud pipes in that one)
57 vw black (was a cool dude at the time)
61 corvair 2-door white              <--- I really liked this one
61 buick 4-door lesabre          (corvair threw craps -- buick was $200)
65 olds ff85 cutlass 2-door white
70 v2 yellow (bought new)
75 buick regal 2-door lime green
78 buick lesabre 4-door red (bought new and wrecked)
80 buick electra 4-door black (also wrecked)
80 mgb red
85 buick electra 4-door (tranny problems, so)
87 isuzu trooper 4-door blue/grey
65 landrover siia 88 red              <---currently being rebuilt
61 landrover siia 88 green            <---currently daily driver
87 rangerover 4-door grey.            <---wife's daily driver

There are many I should not have bought and a couple I still should
own...

Sorry, no 2cv autos --  currently a ROVER-MAN... 
 
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Ray Harder                 Columbia, Missouri   314-882-2000
---------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: "Steve Methley" <sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 22:08:45 +0100

Any list members in Boston?  I'm popping across from jolly old England
for a few days at the start of May.  - maybe I could bring a few
spares!  (Oh no, what have I said?).  Would be partial to a chat over
a Sam Adams or two.
--

Best Regards,
Steve.  Ex V8 Lightweight, 79RR.

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 17:14:52 -0500 (CDT)
From: Ray Harder <ccray@showme.missouri.edu>
Subject: Re: 2cv list

On Tue, 25 Apr 1995 chris.youngson@deepcove.com wrote:

> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 14:56:10 
> From: chris.youngson@deepcove.com
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> I noticed on the LRO list you mentioned the 2cv list Could you give me the
> address? Thanx
 The 2cv-l list is entering the phase where LRO was about 1 year ago.
 medium sized, modest number of postings, people seem to know
 each other, each posting is replied-to.  really nice.  suggest you
 subscribe...

 Now, the LRO is large, lots of (nice) strangers, lots of postings
 go ignored cause there are so many.  It is all interesting, but
 the threads are not as intense.  Some of the questions go
 unanswered that 18 months ago, everyone would throw their $0.02
 into the soup.   Lots of good answers are in the archives and
 maybe the old timers are too lazy to type in the same stuff..  
 The idea of boiling down the archives to answer some of the
 common questions was a goodone but lots of work to pull it off.
 I don't know what to do,  anyway to answer your question.

1.  email to "listproc@lists.missouri.edu"  with 1st line (not
    the subject)
    subscribe 2cv-l YOUR NAME   <=== u make the substitution here...

2.  and by separate email to "listproc@lists.missouri.edu" with the
    first line.
    subscribers 2cv-l           <=== to get a list of names

Ray Harder

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Subject: wading in a D90
From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 17:36:47 -0500

Get the Land Rover experience from your dealer if you want to know how to 
wade prpoerly, cant the dealer tel you waht to do?

--
Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. |  Ottawa Valley Land Rovers

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From: Rod Hutchinson <rhutch@nbnet.nb.ca>
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 20:30:32 -700
Subject: Fairey Overdrive

I'm interested in a used Fairey Overdrive for my 1972(?) Type III, 88,
Pick-up.  I would be interested to know if any used parts dealers around
have these items in stock.

Rod Hutchinson

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From: BobandSueB@aol.com
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 19:41:41 -0400
Subject: ign switch wiring 

>spenny wrote asking for help with late IIA ign wiring
Spenny, I'm trying to put my wiring at ign switch on the screen. lets see if
it will stay together enough to help. 
if you added an alternator, I've seen this problem occur..
there are a couple of possibilities to fix it. 
if you have the solenoid with 4 connections, 2lg 2sm.,then the small one
closest to the engine has 12v while cranking. add a wire from here to the +
terminal of the coil.
The other would be to add a wire from the horizontal tabs on ign switch which
on mine (2) gives 12v while in cranking mode. however, other wires may be
already added there and a back circuit could occur causing the engine to keep
running with key off or etc.
The 4 wires to the switch are only 6inches long and end behind instrument
panel .   
I guess I assume you have the basic diagram from the rover or haynes manual
available.
Good Luck, let me know if it helped or if any questions.

Bob Bernard
LROA membership 
Paradise CA.

from the wiring side (ccc=commoned points)

lite switch- Brn-Wh        Brn-Wh 12v                                      
                      / ccccc \                       
                                    _    
Wh to fuse    |              c_  12v while starting                       
terminal A3    c             
                     \                            
                          _             
                      Wh-Rd to energize Starter solenoid             

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From: JCassidyiv@aol.com
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 19:58:34 -0400
Subject: CD changer in Disco

Does anyone know if it's possible to put another Pioneer CD changer in the
Disco?  I was told that Land Rover changed the wiring in the changer plug in
the car to encourage owners to buy the original accessory.  I purchased a
Pioneer CDX-30 which has the same connections as are in the Disco, but the
radio head fails to cycle to CD using the band control.  I can take this
changer back and get the official one, but at $200 new I hate too.  Anybody
know how the plug can be modified?
                                  Cheers!  John Cassidy

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From: RJOgomori@aol.com
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 20:25:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Annealing

  As an indicator of proper temp. Use an Acetylene-rich flame to coat the
area with carbon/soot. Next, using a hotter flame(adding more oxygen) heat
the sooted areas until the carbon burns off. When most of the carbon is
burned off the aluminum is annealed. The book I got this tip from also
suggests to quench the work with a sponge and water, but I think that would
temper it and make it brittle again.
   Also, I might have a tip for bleeding the CB brake master, Find a TR7 (any
year should do) and drive up the front of it, until the Rover wheels are at
the cowling. The air should come right out! If you can't find a TR7 a Sonnett
or Pantera would do.(Don't forget to ask permission from the owner)

  Ron Ogomori
  '88 SerII (almost ready for battle)
  '65 MKI Cooper S (She's a happy Mini)

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From: RJOgomori@aol.com
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 20:25:41 -0400
Subject: Rover Toys

 Somebody was looking for a Land Rover made by Match Box, I was at British
Pacific and they had several models, one was a Match Box Land Rover # 12 in
green,try giving them a call #800-554-4133
  
   Ron Ogomori

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From: BobandSueB@aol.com
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 22:24:26 -0400
Subject: zenith carb poppet valve

A while back someone asked about what's the reason for the poppet valve in
throttle butterfly of a zenith carb.
Its a US smog thing, its there to reduce high manifold vacuum while coasting
at closed throttle. Which apparently helps reduce smog.

smoggely yours,
Bob Bernard LROA membership
Paradise,Ca.

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 23:14:03 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Ooops!

Sorry gang...the number for DAP/British Rovers' FAX is *802* 885-6662, not 
the 800 prefix that I typed yesterday.  The phone number is 802-885-6660.
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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From: jpappa01@InterServ.Com
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 20:37:22 PDT
Subject: Re: 	FW DEF 90 LONG TERM

Hi all:

Just perused the June issue of FOUR WHEELER and they had just finished logging 
20,000 miles on their long-term test AA YELLOW `94 DEF 90 *PUB CRAWLER.* Did 
they still like it?

*Despite a payload rating over a ton, the 90 still has enough flexibility to 
crawl over trails that gave HUMMERS, WRANGLERS, and full-sizes DIFFICULTY.*

*We haven't had this much fun since pubs discovered refrigeration... the 90 
has never failed to hold our interest... perhaps the best definition of 
sport-utility out there.*

*Sure, its expensive, but it has carried us through places no other stock 
truck would, it's an imported two-door, and it's so exclusive, HUMMERS get 
bumped from primo valet parking for it.*

So, a year after the `94 FWOTY, the lustre has not faded! Before I get bashed 
(again) for sounding like a salesman (rather than just an enthusiast), let's 
revel in the fact the workhorse Land Rover has captured the hearts of the 
off-roading public-at-large, not just the devotees of the marque! Yea, team!

Cheerz
Jim - now completely mad... and loving it!

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From: Kelly Minnick <minnick@joker.chinalake.navy.mil>
Subject: Fuse
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 23:37:50 PDT

RE: Fuse
I blew a couple a fuses the other day when I hooked up the overhead 'dome'
light in the cab up to the ground mount instead of the + mount for the bulb.
First of all, why is this connection possible? (I know, for fools like me
who don't look).
My Lucas fuse says 17 Amps continious, then in big letters '35 A'.  So which
is it?  Do I put in a 35 Amp or a 17 amp?  I put in a 15 amp and it hasn't
blown yet, but there has to be a better way of figuring out what fuse to put
in there!

As far as the electrical Smith pressure gauge sending unit, does anyone have
the part number?  I think this came on all SIII in the US.  Half the ones
I have seen, the gauges don't work!
Kelly Minnick '73 88" Safari & '91 RR
Ridgecrest, CA

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