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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 08:54:01 +0100 (BST)
From: Peter Aslan <paslan@uk.mdis.com>
Subject: Re: Erratic idling revisited

I had the same problem, fixed it by replacing the Solex with a Webber.
I believe it is caused by leaky gaskets, letting air into the inlet manifold.
Ok on choke, but when the thing warms up you get an irratic idle.

On my SII I was told that it was because the gaskets had dried up and 
were leeking, did you replace all the gaskets when you rebuilt the carb ?
Also is the Air Cleaner ok, and all inlet manifold connections ok ?

Regards,

  Peter Aslan (aka Captain Norton).           Louden Quill Award.
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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re:  Fw: Talking Frog (fwd)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 09:39:18 UNDEFINED

/Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 13:50:59 -0700
/From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
/Subject: Fw: Talking Frog (fwd)
/
/This had me laughing so loud, I had to forward it to everyone I knew.  Hope 
/you all find it just as hillarious!
/
/---- Forwarded from brian@zvs.com (Brian Miller): 
/none
/    A friend of mine forwarded this to me and I thought that you might
/enjoy it or at least know others who would enjoy it.
/
/                        Surf's up Dude
/                        Brian
/
/ 
/> > A boy was crossing a road one day when a frog called out to him
/> > and said, "If you kiss me, I'll turn into a beautiful princess."

*************         [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)]***********> 

/> said, "Look, I'm a computer programmer.  I don't have time for> > 
/girlfriends, but a talking frog is really cool."
/
/---- End of forwarded message ----

This is 'American humour'? Minimalist.

(Lucky I'd seen it before on a newsgroup with no bloody digester..........)

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+++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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From: Tom Stevenson <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: LR at the movies
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 10:06:58 +0100 (BST)

Lloyd:
I enjoyed reading your film list; I remember a film from the 70s which
was a pilot or a film spin-off from the TV series 'Callan' with Edward
Woodward. Part of the plot involved Eddie preventing the chief villain
from leaving his country estate. By memorising the local Ordnance Survey
map and driving a white Range Rover (with heavily tinted windows) our
hero manages to head the baddie off every time with a bit of
cross-country driving. Particularly good is the part where he finds a
large greenhouse has been built across the road.
-- 
Tom Stevenson: gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk
University Marine Biological Station, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland
Tel:(01475) 530581  Fax:(01475) 530601

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From: Stephen Thomas <THOMSE-U@m4-arts.bham.ac.uk>
Date:         4 Apr 95 12:22:40 GMT
Subject:      Webbing winches

David John Place stated recently that he had seen webbing winches
used to move boats, well it's not quite the same (and I'm not sure if
I'd want to use it in a situation where I was bogged down, well where
the landy was bogged down anyway), but recently, as some of you will
know, I was forced to trailer tow my non-starting IIA. We hired an
Indespsnsion vehicle trailer and pulled the landy on board with a
windlass type winch equipped with webbing, all mounted to the trailer
to facillitate this sort of problem.

It was pulling Andy up the 30-odd-degree incline of the tipped
trailer and although it was heavy going (heavy car!) worked
adequately. Whether the web would stretch more under the extra load of
the bogged vehicle, however, I don't know.

Stephen...

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Date: Tue, 04 Apr 1995 08:32:56 EDT
From: "ANTHONY F. QUATTROMANI INTERNET:AQUATTROMANI@LOGICON.COM"
Subject: New Subsriber - Introduction

Hello everyone,

I have been a subscriber for about 3 weeks now and thought it was about time 
to introduce myself. I am a simulation engineer working in Dahlgren, Virginia, 
on a contract with the U S Navy.  

After the bad winter of 93-94 in these parts, my wife and I decided that a 
4 wheeler was in order.  I looked at them all, but my wife didn't like any of 
them.  Until I came across an ad for the Discovery.  We both liked what we saw.
Unfortunately we couldn't see a real one at the time.  The dealer was only 
receiving 4-5 a month.  Undaunted, I put my name on a waiting list on 
July 1, 1994.

In August, I went to London on a business trip.  I didn't have the opportunity 
to visit Solihull, but I did see scores of Discoveries and Rovers of all types.
I was really hooked.  

Finally, on December 6, 1994, my Discovery arrived !

I read just about all of the messages on the daily digest, but of course 
I am most interested on the Discovery entries.  No problems to date. My first 
dealer maintenance visit at 7500 miles cost $104.00. I do believe that my 
excellent local mechanic, (who handles my 1992 Sterling very well) will be able
to take care of the Rover.  Any comments on breaking away from the dealer?

I have terrible luck with tires - seems that all nails, sharp boulders, etc. 
are naturally attracted to any vehicle I drive.  Have already had a puncture 
on the Discovery.  Tires are expensive ($240.00) and sefveral days on
order!! 

I am looking forward to some off roading this spring and summer. 

Tony
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Date: 04 Apr 95 08:35:07 EDT
From: Pierce Reid <70004.4011@compuserve.com>
Subject: Movie Rover

I did not see this one on the list...

%T Wild Geese
%D 197?
%K Wild Geese -- Mercenaries topple an African despot.  Military Land Rovers
throughout.  109's 
     -  R. Pierce Reid   70004,4011@CompuServe.com

Also, Hunt for Red October has a Range Rover in the opening scene as Jack Ryan
gets out of it, Clear and Present Danger has several Range Rovers in it (badguys
drive Blue RR's) and Made-for-TV Op Center has a 110 loosely disguised as a
Russian Military jeep.

Does anyone know if Tom Clancy drives a Landy or RR???

Cheers

R. P. Reid

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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 08:26:49 -0500
From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens)
Subject: Erratic Idling Revisited

Just fiddled with the carb again and am now seriously concerned about my
rebuild job. The unit...Zenith 36IVE...appears to be well sealed with the
new gaskets. I installed all new jets as well as needle valve; checked the
float measurements; installed new O ring. Did not install the replacement
butterfly and spindle (the one sent with the rebuild kit did not have a
poppet valve...what does that do anyway). Anyway, upon closer inspection,
the carb is not leaking...except when I shut the motor down. Then fuel
continues to trickle through the fuel line into the carb and collects on
top of the butterfly, then oozes out the rear of the spindle eventually
dripping on the manifold (now you see why I'm concerned). Is the carb body
worn at the spindle fitting? Is it normal for fuel to continue to flow into
the carb after the motor is shut off? Could the O-ring not be sealed
correctly?

Chris Stevens                           1969 SIIA 88" SW
BCG Corporate Communications
Towson, Maryland, USA
(410) 583-1722
(410) 583-1935 (FAX)
chrisste@Clark.net

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From: "Steve Methley" <sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 15:12:17 +0100
Subject: Re: Erratic Idling Revisited

Chris writes:

>the carb is not leaking...except when I shut the motor down. Then fuel
>continues to trickle through the fuel line into the carb and collects on
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>worn at the spindle fitting? Is it normal for fuel to continue to flow into
>the carb after the motor is shut off?

No it's not normal for any carb to leak after the motor is shut down.
You'll have residual pressure form the fuel pump, but when the float
valve closes as the flaot chamber is full, then the supply should be
blocked.  So even though I don't have a carb like yours. it seems
pretty likely that the diagnosis is a stuck open float valve, or more
likely a wrongly adjusted float level/valve trip point.

Look on the bright side you could have twin carbs!

Best Regards,
Steve.  79RR (twin Strombergs)

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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 95 10:42:42 -0400
From: William Terry <wterry@sartre.minerva.bah.com>
Subject: in the movies

The one addition I can make to the list is "The Lair of the White Worm". It's the last story written by the author of Dracula, I believe. People pile into a Series LR belonging to the character played by the guy in "Three Weddings and a Funeral" to head
to head to the cave where they believe local people disappear. Set in the England or Scotland.

Peace, Bill

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: LRNA Reps
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 95 11:16:46 EDT

> 2. Will there ever be spare aluminum hardtop parts available to the 
> general public - specifically the pieces that mount to the tailgate lid 
> allowing for it to be raised by hydralics?  I'd like to purchase a set 
> for my IIA's tailgate lid (the rods are definitely tedious).

A few years back RN was selling the little "hydraulic shock absorber like
things" that do this....along with the fixings....some drilling required...
for about $60 US.

rd/nige

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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 17:20:44 +0200
From: wills@spl.co.za (William Smith)
Subject: HELP !! RUST

Hi all,
I am really depressed since this morning. I went to show somebody where the
chassis number is stencilled on my SIII 2,25l pup and discovered rust there.
It is where the leaf spring mounting is welded to the chassis. The rust is 
+- 5 x 3 cm. *** small holes are visible ***. How do I go about fixing this ?
I've got an arc welder and gas (oxy/acetylene) welding equipment.
PLEASE I'm really distressed !!
William 
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 95 08:34:29 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Wheels/Paint color schemes

In message <199504032211.XAA01033@chunnel.uk.stratus.com>  writes:
none

Here's my best guess:
> Phil asks about wheel color, and since i am getting close to painting, i have
> some questions.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
> so here are my questions
> 1st, - there is no white, only limestone, Correct?

yes

> 2nd, - wheels are always painted limestone except for SVOs?

Limestone except for series I & military

> 3rd, - door tops are body colour?

Front door tops are body colour.

> 4th, - Rear door gets painted body colour?

If safari door yes.  If tailgate, bottom yes, top limestone (assuming limestone 
sides).

> 5th - window side-panels get painted limestone or body colour?
> some questions.

Depends.  If stationwagon, then body colour else if regular then limestone

If stationwagon with tropical top. sun shield is limestone, top underneath is 
body colour.  If regular, entire top is limestone.  Some stationwagons had 
entire top limestone.  Hint for tops, inside colour was the same as outside 
colour. except for sun shield on station wagons.
 .
> if this is any help it is an export LHD Late IIA 1969 SWB
> some questions.

A key bit of info would have been type..ie station wagon, regular etc.

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
              
                         
                       

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
              
                         
                       

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From: kirkwood@strider.fm.intel.com (Clayton Kirkwood)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 10:15:13 -0700
Subject: complement???

I ran across this the other day at the doctor's office (and ripped the page
out to mount it!!). This comes from the Jan95 issue of Car and Driver, and
the article lists the ten best cars which now includes the SUV area too. In
two side bars were listed the ten best performers (94) and the ten worst
performers (94). Our favorites didn't make the best list but were prominent
in the worst list.  Top speed honors went to Land Rover Defender 90, 86mph,
while Interior sound levels @ 70mph went to ..... YES, Land Rover Defender
90, 86dBA. Apparently, for each mph the dBA goes up by one, an interesting
1:1 correlation ;>}. Accordingly, following this logic, the typical crawl
speed of the 90 suggests that the sound level at 5 mph would be 5dBA, well
below audible levels, leaving one to suppose that one doesn't hear the
vehicle, only the great outdoors!!!

On a similar vein, in comparing the same categories between best and worst,
whereas the Def. 90 only hits 86 mph, the "best" top speed is 185 mph by the
Lamborghini Diablo VT, and the sound level is best in the BMW 530i,
Mercedes-Benz S320, and Nissan Maxima SE all at 66 dBA. OK fine. I would like
to see the Diablo go 185 offroad, ...yeah right. Or how about the Mercedes
offroad. Oh sure, it's quiet, but then you also can't hear the great outdoors
either. Now what kind of fun is that????

On an ominous note, BMW shared the sound level "best" and took braking
distance honours. What does this portend for future Landies? So we stop on a
dime, but hey, we do it quietly!!!!

All in all, quite nice complements on sound level and top speed

-- 
Clayton R. Kirkwood, FM1-58, 916 356-5838

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Subject: another movie not mentioned
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 1995 10:20:16 -0700
From: Mike Fredette <mfredett@ichips.intel.com>

The flick is called "Island of Terror". A cool late late
60's B- or C+ British sci-fi thing. Set on an island off
the coast of Ireland, some well meaning scientists (aren't
they always) create some mutant, bone marrow sucking critters
The local villagers have a hell of a time ridding themselves
of the pesky pests, running around in old Land Rovers doing
anything they can think of, shotguns, dynamite, what have you.

Rgds
Mike Fredette
Portland, Oregon

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Date: Tue, 04 Apr 95 11:45:12 EST
From: "Lapa, Hank" <hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com>
Subject: Roof paint

     I'm pretty sure that a '69 IIA would have a Limestone roof whether 
     regular or station wagon.  However, I think the license-built Rovers 
     from South America continued to paint roofs in body color with the 
     only the sunshield portions being limestone, a la Ser II and prior.
     This is based on the observations of a friend's recent visit to Costa 
     Rica.  
     
     Hank

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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 13:43:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: MOUNTING A WEBER 45DCOE ON A 2.25L PET. LAND ROVER.

On Sun, 2 Apr 1995, Wade Zumbach wrote:

> I usually just lurk around here but I thought that I would like to get 
> your comments on what I'm about to try. I have purchase a Weber 45DCOE 
> dual throat side draght carb type #13, #1 G, with the cold start option. 

	My, my, my...  Well, TerriAnne once said that the TR-3 intake
	manifold fit onto the 2.25l head.  If true, you could use that
	manifold if you could find one with the dual intakes.  You will 
	still need to play some games to raise the 45DCOE over the steering
	box.

	Rgds,

	PS, If all fails, the 45DCOE would look real nice on my Cooper S...
	    <grin>

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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 95 10:44:47 PDT
From: labranch@sybase.com (Jason LaBranch)
Subject: Re: LRNA Reps

Well,

concerning the LR representative,  I saw a post the other day,  the email
had no identifing marks.  There was no signature.  The response was
informed and about a specific number of Land Rover Defender 110's imported.

The email address was:

	LRDEF90@aol.com

Folks, it is just a guess but this could be the LR spy.

Jason LaBranch
1970 88" IIa

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 14:31:41 -0400
Subject: Re: LRNA Reps

As long as someone started a "TIPS FOR SOLIHULL" list, let me pass on a
couple of disapointments at viewing the new D90's.

As a 25 year veteran of IIa ownership I was really disapointed to see that
Rover's chintzed on all the galvanized that a series truck has.  After all
these years of hard use the galvanized on my Rover is still perfect, and
being a rag top, the galvanized body caps, door caps, gate trim, etc. have
all gotten a lot of wear.

And why doesn't that windscreen fold, huh?  Answer me that!

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From: kirkwood@strider.fm.intel.com (Clayton Kirkwood)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 11:21:23 -0700
Subject: Re: LRNA Reps

On Apr 4, 10:44am, Jason LaBranch wrote:
> Subject: Re: LRNA Reps
> Well,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> had no identifing marks.  There was no signature.  The response was
> informed and about a specific number of Land Rover Defender 110's imported.

> The email address was:
> 	LRDEF90@aol.com
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> 	LRDEF90@aol.com
> Folks, it is just a guess but this could be the LR spy.

Yeah, yeah, let's get 'im.... I've got some winch cable, and there's a tree.
Quick grab  'im ;<) The dirty rotten scoundrel...

> Jason LaBranch
> 1970 88" IIa
>-- End of excerpt from Jason LaBranch
none

-- 
Clayton R. Kirkwood, FM1-58, 916 356-5838

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Confused...
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 95 11:21:30 PDT

Lets see,

we have a LRNA spy, who is putting together a "black list" of all the
illegal landrovers imported in the U.S, Canada, Mexico, New Mexico...

I guess I shouldn't tell him about the 3000 series I and II's I
am having fedexed to my house....

This sounds like our type of guy, maybe we should buy him a beer,
toss him in the mud, and let that british bloke fondle him while
teaching him to drive.

Russ

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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 95 11:50:50 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Charge Probs (yet another)

In message <199504040026.BAA01404@chunnel.uk.stratus.com> "S.Vels Christensen" 
writes:

> to start. The problem is a flat battery. What puzzles me is that the charge
> bulb is always on when starting and goes out immediately when the engine
> turns. So it must be charging i guess.

Charge bulb?  AKA idiot light

I believe that means your generator is kicking out enough voltage while the 
engine is running that there isn't enough drainage of the battery to light the 
filiment.  It doesn't mean that your battery is actually getting charged, or 
even that its not slowly discharging while the engine is running.

The best use I have found for a generator light is to let you know if your fan 
belt breaks.

We had a big guage discussion here a year or so ago & I was the only one who 
came out as a fan of a voltmeter, but its time to make a pitch again.  The big 
complaint is that they read the seame thing all the time and otherwise do not do
anything.  Everyone wanted AMP meters because the needle jumped around and 
showed action. Actually, I like them both, but if I could have only one, it 
would be a volt meter.  The volt meter will show what your generator/alternator 
is putting out.  It will read around 11.5ish if you are not charging and running
off a charged battery.  If your generator/alternator is properly doing its 
thing, you will have somewhere around 13 volts.  As you turn on more circuits 
you can get a feel for how much load your charging circuit can handle without 
help from the battery.  When I moved from Seattle to the Monterey bay area, 
there was a day and night I was driving with wipers on, heater on full, lights 
and fog lights.  The generator light in my '69 88 did not come on.  The amp 
guage looked like it was reading zero.  After a day and several night hours of 
driving I parked for the night.  I did not heve enough power left in the battery
to start the car in the morning.  Had I a volt meter, I could have seen that the
voltage was below 12 and it was taking the generator plus battery to keep 
everything going.

An Ammeter will show if you have a large power drain or if your 
generator/alternator is doing a rapid charge of a depleted battery.  It is not 
sensitive enough to tell you if it is doing a trickle charge, or a slight 
discharge.  It won't tell you if your battery is fully charged, only if your 
regulator thinks it is.  if your regulator is out of kilter, your battery not 
performing properly (cell going bad, low water level, etc), or high resistance 
connections.

Getting of my soap box,

clean your battery terminals & check fluid levels. If you can, check the battery
to see if you have a weak or bad cell (replace if necessary).  

In my personal experience, about 75% of the starter motor not turning properly 
is caused by high resistance electrical connection between the battery and 
starter. A very high percentage of these is a high resistance connection at the 
battery post. Other places to look are the connection to the starter motor, 
engine to chasis ground strap, and batt. cable to gnd.

Batt. connections can look OK but still be high resistance.  The black oxide 
that can form between the post and connector is an insulator. So it just doesn't
need to look grungy corroded to have a high resistance connetion.

Also brushes do wear and at the end make a increasingly higher resistance 
contact as they get too short for the spring to press them onto the commutator.

Of course you CAN cheat, push start the car & take it to Sears & ask for a free 
diagnosis.

Good luck

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
              
                         
                       

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 14:17:53 -0400
Subject: Re: Hello! and It's Stuck...

>The Landy is currently receiving a good deal of (much deserved) verbal
abuse.

No!  Don't do it!  Bad idea!  Never, but NEVER, verbally abuse a Land Rover.
 Being British, the whole works runs on a delicate balance of self-esteem &
questionable craftsmanship.

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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 15:34:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Roof paint

On Tue, 4 Apr 1995, Lapa, Hank wrote:

>      I'm pretty sure that a '69 IIA would have a Limestone roof whether 
>      regular or station wagon.  However, I think the license-built Rovers 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>      This is based on the observations of a friend's recent visit to Costa 
>      Rica.  

	109" Station Wagons had onlt the sunscreen portion painted limestone.
	The main roof was painted body colour.  88's were all limestome
	to my knowledge.

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Date: Tue, 04 Apr 95 14:46:48 EST
From: "Lapa, Hank" <hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com>
Subject: Re: HELP !! RUST

     William,
     
     Replacement items should be available so that you can cut/grind both 
     frontal protuberances off the chassis and weld new ones on.  I got a 
     couple of these from Craddock's several years back.  I had a large 
     hole clear through the side of one of mine, but the rest seemed solid, 
     so I suspect you do not have an imminent emergency.
     
     As I recall, a pair of these were a bit spendy back then, and I 
     suspect no less costly now.  The replacement parts had wide flanges to 
     assist mounting, but think cutting the flanges off (especially the 
     laterals) would actually provide a stronger final installation.
     
     Remember to use both the bumper AND the springs to achieve line up 
     before welding the second item into place or you may have a hard time 
     getting the bumper bolts through the holes later.
     
     Hank

> Subject: HELP !! RUST
> Author:  wills@spl.co.za (William Smith) at Zeus
> From: wills@spl.co.za (William Smith) 
> Subject: HELP !! RUST

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 41 lines)]
>   South Africa                  Cell : 082 455 1816
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 15:54:25 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: Webbing winches

Well the webbing I use here for towing is about 4" across and has "D" 
Rings at each end.  It was used to sling heavy boats like 40 to 50 foot 
sail boats etc.  To lift my engine in and out of the Land Rover during my 
last rebuild, I used a military web strap about 2" wide.  I used two of 
them under the block and then to my engine crane.  They worked very 
well.  Yes these straps stretch but they don't seem to strike back like 
steel wire when they let go.  I also use them to lift the aluminum top 
off the 88(getting too old to do it myself without the hoist:-) ) and 
they stretch a few inches.  I guess I would rather have them hit me under 
load than a steel cable.  You will have noticed that load binders on semi 
flat beds holding large heavy loads are almost always web straps.  Just my 
two cents worth.  :-)  Dave VE4PN

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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 14:14:20 -0700
From: jimmyp@netcom.com (Jimmy Patrick)
Subject: LRO Calendar

Hi all,

I made it back from the UK with no problems. Mabel is on a luxury cruise
with about 400 new Discoveries. I pick her up on the 19th of April. Can't
wait.

I would like to produce a calendar of LRO land rovers and even owners. I
have facilities for scanning pictures, designing the calendar, and getting
it printed. This wouldn't be a concours type of calendar that you see for
the jags or mgs, this one should be full of character cars and humorous
quotes from the list. If anyone is interested in this idea, let me know. I
will need 12-16 photos of rovers owned by list members, info about the LR,
funny quotes about the land rover or whatever. I will pick the best shots
and put together the calendar. I think we can get these calendars made
pretty cheaply because I work with a lot of printers and film houses in my
job. The more calendars we make, the cheaper they get. All land-rovers and
range-rovers welcome. If you want to participate, I will scan you pic and
return it to you if you can send me a SASE.

I mentioned this a while back to a few members and they thought it would be
a pretty cool thing to do. Anyone else want to play? Send me a note if you
are interested.

cheers.

jimmy

--
Jimmy Patrick
jimmyp@netcom.com

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Hello! and It's Stuck...
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 95 17:53:59 EDT

> Hello to all,
> We are new to the List (Tim and Jenny). Just lurking so far but now it's 
> time to introduce ourselves. The proud owners of a IIa fitted with a flat tray 
> body. 
none

Welcome, you've found the right place.

> Our big headache at the moment is getting the transfer unit out of the front chassis
> member. The manual simply says undo the bolts and drive it out with a brass drift,
> applying oil if it is stiff. 

Presumably, we are talking about the steering relay here.  Although I myself
have never had the occasion to *have* to remove one, the method of choice
(I'm told) when all else fails is to a) wrap a chain around it and the
frame...you are securing it here to keep it from flying out and doing
damage to your (or your rover's) body parts so that in b) you place a
jack underneath the relay, with suitable protection of said relay (eg.
block of wood placed between the jack and the relay itself, although this 
wood may just crunch and you may have to go without...), then jack up
the car......it *should* pop out (verbal abuse might help, but be sure
to take back everything mean and nasty you said afterwards....assuming
it works....and make up with your rover or else.....).  You might have
to jump up and down on the bumper.  BUT BE CAREFUL, STAY CLEAR,
and make damned sure the relay is gonna be held by the chain when it 
breaks loose.

Now that it's out, do you intend to disassemble it or replace it?  If
you are going to take it apart....USE EVEN MORE CAUTION....there is
a spring in there that can kill you.  Ask before you leap.

> By the way, are there any other Tasmanians on the list?

I think there is one or two....I know of some in Hobart, though.....

rgds,
rd/nigel

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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 15:35:55 -0700
From: jed@teleport.com (Jim Edwards)
Subject: buying land rover for use in UK

A friend will be spending a year in Dublin. He is interested in buying a
RHD SII or SIII 88" in either England or Ireland this summer and then
selling it next summer. He wants a reliable car rather than a fixer
upper-upper.

Does anyone know of any dealers he could contact or have one for sale? Any
suggestions for insurance companies?

Thanks

Jim

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Date: 04 Apr 95 18:40:02 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: lead-free on Series...

Just FYI, after I had overhauled the cylinderhead and replaced valves
+ sleeves on the 4-cyl. of my S.III 109 (just the regular stuff, *not* a
lead-free conversion!) I ran it for 7 (seven) years on lead-free petrol,
towing, off-roading, gruelling trips around North Africa (ok, in Africa it
got lotsa lead, yummy-yummy!). In all over 100,000 km on lead-free regular,
and no problem yet. Could this be a record?

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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From: Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au>
Subject: Re: Chug Chug Chuguuummm...phut. Chug ch
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 95 9:09:03 EST

> Engine warm -
> Idle        : Billows _lots_ of white smoke
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> When cold the consistency of the smoke is thicker and there is more blue/grey
> - goes away after about 3 minutes on tickover 

> Andy Grafton
> A.J.Grafton@lut.ac.uk 

This sort of sounds like there is something wrong with the injector pump,
as the miss, with the puff of white smoke, sounds like the injector pump 
is pumping fuel too late!?!?  When rebuilding the engine, it would pay to 
go the hole hog, and have the injectors and the injector pump serviced.

--
==============================================================================
Craig Murray                                    |       1955 Series 1 86"
LROC of Victoria Australia                      |       2.25 diesel 
LROC of Gippsland Victoria Australia            |       My car is constipated,
email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au                   |       It has not passed a 
                                                |       thing all day!!

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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 16:21:43 +0800
From: William.Grouell@Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell)
Subject: Re: Roof paint

> 88's were all limestome
> 	to my knowledge.

  Mine ('64 88" Sta. Wgn.) is body color* (Poppy) with white tropical panel.
Me thinks we can conclude that both are correct. Looking carefully at the
top, like in corners, under rubber strips, under upolstery, ect... one
should be able to figure out what the original color was. Hell, just start
sanding.

R, bg

   * Yes, it is original!

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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 95 17:48:35 MDT
From: rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com ( ROY CALDWELL )
Subject: LRNA

Well Gang here is the scoop as I know it.
It is the owners list that is being looked
at every so often.  It is being read by a
rep in customer service of LRNA.  My informant 
left the impression that it was very friendly
and not an attempt to gather shit about gray 
market Rovers.  LRNA did hear about the 3,000
phantom Rovers in crates and had no more success
in finding them than we did.  I mean actually
seeing, touching and smelling one.  I can understand
their interest in those vehicles.  3,000 units
on the market would really under-cut their business.
Not that I agree, but I do understand.  

I do have the persons name but was hoping that my 
original post might prompt them to declare.  I was not
told the name was secret but I didn't feel it would
be to fair to out them unless they really wanted to be
know by name.  So that's the deal.  So LRNA this would be
a good time to intro yourself and your purpose.  We are
a very friendly bunch but with a very strong loyalty to
Land Rover.  Not the co. per-se but the vehicle.

Ok, that's all I know.

Roy - Rovers in the Rockies    Got a Rover under me again!!! 

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From: sohearn@InterServ.Com
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 95 18:53:39 PDT
Subject: LRNA Lurker?

Frank Twarog writes:

>If said rep were willing to respond to my questions directly (in 
>order to save face on the digest) I would greatly, GREATLY appreciate it.
>Thanks very much

Saving face is not necessary. I don't think anyone here would take offense
to LRNA getting covert or unofficial feedback here on the Internet. I
wouldn't be surprised if this is the case. Instead I think it's a good idea
and should be commended as good utilization of a resource for a whole
bunch of business reasons.

I also think it would be an even better idea for this LRNA affiliated
person, if he/she does exist, to go "public." It could be done with
suitable caveats if necessary but I think the benefits would be tremendous,
both to us here on the list and to LRNA as well. Sure, this individual,
would no doubt be swamped with a tidal wave of questions, at least initially.
Certainly many could not be answered immediately or maybe at all. But a
path of communication would be established, and not just for our benefit.

While I hope LRNA (or its parent in the UK) would be interested in a two-way
with Land Rover enthusiasts, they should definitely be interested in such
discussions with current product owners. Information on accessories and
guidance on use would be a fundamental part of and benificial contributor
to what LRNA calls the "Land Rover Experience." Feedback from the users of
their product would be direct and more easily followed up when obtaining
further deatils is necessary.

But here is the biggest benefit of all for LRNA and the best reason for
them to actively (or even passively) support some kind of representation on
the Internet (note: I'm not suggesting the list become the primary funnel,
just perhaps a participant):

	Potential buyers of current Land Rover products are very likely
	to include, in increasing numbers, users of the Internet. These
	people will be interested in easily obtaining information and
	will probably be more comfortable doing their research on the net.
	Facilitating this will increase LRNA's exposure and benefit its
	image.

What about DealerNet? A good start but I'm not sure how direct LRNA's
participation is. Also there is no inquiry point of contact (at least not
yet). You say they sell everything they import? OK, but selling more if
you can up production is even better. With more top-of-the-line SUV's
on the ways from Lincoln, Cadillac, Mercedes-Benz, etc. it won't hurt to
be first on the net and get a jump on the others.

Anyways, that's my opinion such as it is.

- Stephen

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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 23:02:47 -0400
From: ac443@osfn.rhilinet.gov (John Karlsson)
Subject: Progress report

Welding done, frame wire brushed to within an inch of its life, and, as of
yesterday, painted.  
 
First batch of parts ordered, so the serious bleeding has begun!  If I'm
_really_ lucky, I may have wheels under it this weekend.  Company is coming,
and parts may not have arrived, so next weekend is more likely - OOPS! That's
Easter, isn't it?  GRRRR!!
 
John Karlsson
Hope Valley, RI

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From: jpappa01@InterServ.Com
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 95 20:53:29 PDT
Subject: Re: 	LRNA lurker

Hmmmm.... a lurker?

He won't reveal himself then, will he? He's having too much fun, no? Is this 
just a rumor or what?

Elvis lives! Hitler is being cloned in Brazil. You can buy jeeps packed in 
cosmoline for $50.00, and 110's too! Khaddafi is a Roverhead! Yeltsin hates 
his Lada - really wants a Tdi Disco to drive to his dacha...

C'mon lurker - at least give us a sign if you exist. 

regards

Jim - now completely mad... and loving it!

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Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 00:17:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Steven Swiger (LIS)" <swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu>
Subject: Re: Webbing winches

I think that the webbing Idea definitely has merit--It's lighter and more 
flexible, and could be stronger possibly, if the correct type of webbing 
is used.

Several months ago we pulled my friends swamped Mitsu Montero out of a 
creek up a 40degree slope with a fullsize Ford Bronco ( I know, neither 
are landies, but mine is not here yet so I haven't had the chance to sink 
it.).  In this case the pull rope was a thirty foot section of 6 inch 
nylon tubular webbing.  I won't guess on the breaking strength, but it 
worked pretty damn well.  If more people are interested, I could get more 
information on the webbing (it was marine grade, from our sailmaker) and 
possibly ship some if needed.

Let me know if this is a consideration...
cheers,
steve
soon to be 1973 III 88 "moose"

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