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  SUBJECT: POWER OUTAGE: lro MAIL SERVER UNAVAILABLE MOST OF THIS WEEKEND.
  Date: Fri, 24 Mar 95 11:32:17 -0500
  From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

  FROM 18:00 gmt FRIDAY TO SOMETIME LATE SUNDAY/EARLY MONDAY.

 -B

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Date: 24 Mar 95 04:58:49 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Sandy Grice... you still out there?

Sandy,

I attempted to send you assorted trivia but got a big fat bounce from 
Prodigy. What's your valid e-mail contact currently?

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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From: Solihul@aol.com
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 21:59:25 -0500
Subject: parts hunt

I need a left front outer fender/wing for my SerIII 88 LHD. Hope to find one
in North America. Some *character* OK, but NO Body Filler. Need price range
of <$75.00. email me personally, Thanx!!

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Date: 24 Mar 95 05:59:22 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Range Rover Sway?

> I'm sure this has been addressed before but can anyone shed any light on
> reducing the roll or sway in a Range Rover.
...
> A classmate of mine has a 1993 Range Rover, he finds it a little nerve
> racking changing lanes at 100 km/h (60mph) and asked me for ideas.

The cheapest solution is: Remember what you're sitting in, and not drive it
like it was a Camaro or Porsche something, zipping across lanes like Bandit.
It's a *heavy* beast with a _high_ center of gravity and a wheel travel 4
times that of a sedan. What RR owners keep forgetting is that with all its
luxury and pomp the RR still is, uncompromisingly, an off-road vehicle, and
not just a 4X4 look-alike like so many others. Ok, if he's in the money he
can fit anti-sway bars (I'd have thought the '93 RR is already fitted with
them?) and/or stiffer springs, front diesel, rear HD. Shocks don't do much
for body sway.

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 09:42:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: LEGAL ROVERS

On Thu, 23 Mar 1995, Robin Craig wrote:

> I really feel that we all should be very carefull about discussing how to 
> Register Land Rovers with tag ? VIN problems.
> I have it on good authority that US Customs are preparing a booklet aimed 
> specifically at our beloved Marque and how to spot the flaws etc.
none

	This should be rather amusing considering how difficult it can be
	to date these things, the fact that even the factory has inadequate
	records on what they actually produced, and when it came time to
	do some LR historical work, the Factory had to call in outside people
	to tell them what they did!

	How will the booklet deal with the fact that S/N plates on our
	Land Rovers screw on with four little flat head screws and that
	the corresponding number punched onto the frame is on the front
	righthand horn, which happens to also be one of the more
	disintigrating areas (only worse place would have been to punch
	the number on the rear crossmember) under the assault of salt. 
	Most frame numbers are completely illegible.

	Let us think about this for a moment.  WHat is Customs trying to
	do for the USA market (none of this nonesense could apply to Canada
	as we have a 15 year rule).  They want to make sure vehicles
	entering the country are pre 1968?  (Never clear on this one.
	Does the vehicle have to be 1967 or earlier, or is 1968 vintage
	also acceptable?  What about regs that allow diesel engines until
	1972?)  Well, a '68 vehicle or before will have the head lights
	in the breakfast, positive earth, a solex, generator, dual	
	winscreen motors etc, etc, etc...

	How many people here on their legal Land Rovers have changed:
	- from positive to negative earth?
	- dumped the feeble generator and put in an alternator?
	- thrown the aged, worn Solex as far as it would go and replaced
	  it with a Weber or Zenith?
	- gotten bored with, or shocked at the replacement cost of the dual
	  wiper motors and swipped one out of a Mini, MBG, or some other
	  Brit vehicle, with correct feed, changed over to the single
	  motor (Dual Speed maybe!) wiper arrangement?
	- What about those who don't like the headlamps close together
	  and put on the later style wings?
	
	How do you deal with all of the legal Series III's in the country and
	the fact that it can be exported for repair and a different III 
	returned? 

	Legal modifications just go on and on and on.  What if I get
	a early IIA and have a coil sprung carriage thrown under it?  
	Add a V-8?  Is having a frame changed because of rot acceptable?
	What about just the horns?

	I don't envy this attempt...

> The man responsible according to my source used to work in the Auto 
> industry selling the Solihull machine in the late sixties early seventies 
> and is very au fait with the various variants.

	If it is accurate I wouldn't mind a copy.  Could be either useful
	for reference, or useful as a christmas joke.  I'll also bet you
	there is more expertise on this mailing-list, in ROAV, OVLR, etc
	on varients, details, and such that will be in this little book.

> As I have said before this is as far as I know being done with the 
> cooperation of LRNA.

	Ahhh, the chaps who read club newsletters for potential illegal
	vehicles for sale and send the more "interesting" ads to Customs
	& DoT...  (You know Robin, LRNA should really confirm or deny this
	one.  It does their reputation little good)

	You know, I really get annoyed when the Gov't decides that they are
	going to act as arbitrar, decide what is good and what is bad.
	Whether right or wrong, this little book is going to be looked upon
	by the friendly men & women in blue as being the Bible of Land
	Rovers.  If it is wrong, changing it will be a real pain in the ass.

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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 95 09:07:41 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Raw proteins

In message <199503231957.TAA07110@chunnel.uk.stratus.com> Easton Trevor writes:
> >the quote was "THERE MAY BE A RISK ASSOCIATED WITH CONSUMING RAW SHELLFISH"
> Please forgive me for this, but. What if Pierre ate raw shellfish?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> Please forgive me for this, but. What if Pierre ate raw shellfish?
> Trevor Easton 1962 SWB "488 POZ"

It would be hazardous to the health of the shellfish

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
              
                         
                       

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: LEGAL ROVERS
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 95 12:11:55 EST

> 	How many people here on their legal Land Rovers have changed:
> 	- gotten bored with, or shocked at the replacement cost of the dual
> 	  wiper motors and swipped one out of a Mini, MBG, or some other
> 	  Brit vehicle, with correct feed, changed over to the single
> 	  motor (Dual Speed maybe!) wiper arrangement?

Would anyone who is bored with their dual wiper motors please email me?
I love these things, and they *are* repairable, quite easily no less,
provided you've not *completely* buggered the things up.  Need brushes?
No problem.  Clean that tinsey little armature up, fix yer windings,
and let her rip.

Gawnaaaaa,Gawnaaaa,Gawnaaa,

Variable speed, I might add,
rd/nige       

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From: UncleBrad@aol.com
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 00:29:53 -0500
Subject: Bad guy

About the bad guy. 

I got a couple of messages asking what, exactly, Barry Morris did to get the
US Marshal after him. So I called the US Marshal's office and asked. I didn't
talk to officer Bauman, who is familiar with the case, but the man I did
speak to said that he was convicted of bank fraud and is now in violation of
his parole. He said that Mr. Morris is a Land Rover owner and my earlier
conversation about him (which is second-hand information) implied that he has
ripped Land Rover owners off. I wasn't able to confirm that in this phone
call. 

That's the news, so now you know.

Brad

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From: sohearn@InterServ.Com
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 95 15:58:37 PST
Subject: Re: LRO List

Pardon me if I'm the millionth person to ask: What happened to the digest?
Or did I just get kicked off because I washed my 90 last weekend and didn't
confess?

- Stephen

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| Stephen O'Hearn            1994           LAND-            Tread Lightly |
| El Segundo, CA, USA      DEFENDER           -ROVER         on Public and |
| sohearn@interserv.com       90        The Best 4x4xFar     Private Lands |
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From: Sekerere@aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 15:08:18 -0500
Subject: no messages

No LRO-digest again this weekend????? What can the world be coming to???

Three Land Rovers in the Phoenix paper today:

1965 Series IIA 88" with tropical top, supposedly in great condition. Owner
wants $12,500 (a bit much I think) Call (303) 221 4443

1960 Series II 88" soft top, rhd in fair condition. Just brought over from the
 UK through Avon Land Rover Specialists. I went and saw this one, it is a
little bare, but seemes ok for a fixer upper. Owner wants $5500. Phone (520)
427-3674 (new Arizona area code)

1972 Series III 88" safari top, has extra fuel tank in the back instead of
seats, current owner has had it since new in 1972, so he has complete records
for it. Has an alternator, and a chevy carb. He is getting rid of it as he
has not driven it as much as he would like to due to him and his wife adding
a new vehicle. He says the body has a few ripples, the chassis has paint
peeling, but no rust as this is an AZ vehicle. He wants $5500 for it. Call
(602) 867-4107.

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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 19:21:08 -0500
From: ac443@osfn.rhilinet.gov (John Karlsson)
Subject: Progress Report

Welding of my frame is almost complete.  I thought it was done on
Thursday, but as I was crawling into bed, I remembered that I had
to patch one of the front horns.  This Morning I went out to do
that, and there, staring me in the face, was a rotted outrigger.
I patched that, and then another hole appeared in the bottom of
a main rail.  Maybe I'll get to patch that horn tomorrow.  Oh,
well, it's too cold to paint it this weekend, anyway.

If anyone had been watching me welding out in the barn today,
they probably would have thought I had invented a new "barn
dance."  I was listening to Folk Heritage on WGBH, and they
happened to be playing "Arkansas Traveler" when a spark fell
into my sleeve and took up residence in the elbow area.  I did
some pretty fierce flapping trying to avoid the spark while 
attempting to maintain the weld bead!

John Karlsson
Hope Valley, RI

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Date: 26 Mar 95 03:14:10 EST
From: Matt Snyder/CA/MO <71450.2606@compuserve.com>
Subject: San Diego

I've just moved to San Diego, does anyone have tips about RR parts and service,
and offroading in the area?

-Matt, '88 RR

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From: danielg@eskimo.com (Daniel Grambihler)
Subject: Re: List splitting
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 12:15:07 -0800 (PST)

>      It seems to me to be a matter of using the Subject Line in concert
>      with the Delete Key  versus  possibly missing out on items of interest
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> us in digest mode.  We have to page through the stuff we see as irrelevant,
> and it can be tedious.

I use undigest to turn the digest into a mail folder that I can read from
elm - this lets me sort throught just as if it came in real-time mode.
Perhaps this is an option for you....I found my copy in a SimTel archive
under the directory msdos/textutil in the file undigest.c

You could also just archie for undigest.c or I could mail you a copy...

Although it's under an msdos directory, I had no problems compiling for
Unix.  One note: I had to use the command line syntax:

undigest <digested file name> <undigested file name>

Then all you have to do is:

elm -f <undigested file name>

(assuming you're using elm....)

Hope this helps - later - Daniel

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From: Kelly Minnick <minnick@joker.chinalake.navy.mil>
Subject: Seat Belts
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 95 14:36:54 PST

RE: seat belts
Does anyone out there know where to mount the retract unit for a series type
LR?  This is the 'Britax' unit.  Seems odd that I buy this this from England
made for LR and the thing is made in the USA!  Anyhow, the instructions are
pretty much non-existent...  Thanks
Kelly Minnick  '73 88" Safari, '91 RR
Ridgecrest, CA

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From: JFisk1120@aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 10:21:12 -0500
Subject: Lost Digest in Cyberspace?

I have not received the Saturday or Sunday edition of the Digest...I am going
through withdrawal....please help....am I missing anymore mud slinging??

Jan

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Date: 25 Mar 95 17:32:31 EST
From: Alain GIRARD <100350.726@compuserve.com>
Subject: Hello from France

Dear LR Fans
I would like to suscribe to your NewsLetter .I own a Defender Tdi 90 SoftTop and
wolud like to hear from other Land Rovers Freaks . 

Thank you and as we say in france " A vos crabots " ( Up to your axle locks )

	A.GIRARD

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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 03:54:14 -0600 (CST)
From: Mark Perry <rxq281@freenet.mb.ca>
Subject: cdn import regs

I don't know if how the following might apply to used vehicles, but it
might be of interest to Canadian LROs: The Canadian Press reported this
week that Canadians importing vehicles they buy in the United States will
soon be hit with a $195 fee administered by a private Toronto
company,called Registrar of Imported Vehicles, to ensure the vehicles meet
Canadian road standards.
	The new rules will be in force from April 12. They aim to make
sure the imports comply with Canadian regulations such as bilingual
labels, odometers in kilometres instead of miles, daytime running lights
and infant restraint kits. 
	Acording to the Canadian Press, among those hit by the measure
will be snowbirds who buy cars in the south and drive back to Canada, and
people who buy specialty recreational vehicles in the United States. 
	Under the new system, owners will hand over a form and money at a
border crossing. The fee at smaller crossings will be $245. 
	They'll get a letter in the mail explaining the changes needed,
and have 45 days to modify their vehicles and take them in to one of about
250 designated inspection centres for a check.
	Without the certification, owners may not be able to get licences
and their file will be turned over to Transport Canada, CP reports. 

Mark Perry
Wpg MB CA
'66 IIA 88"
If it isn't leaking,
it's probably out of something.

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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 09:57:09 -0500
From: rwegner@fimage.synapse.net (Richard Wegner)
Subject: Extract from the Electronic Telegraph

This was posted on the British Cars Digest, and I thought it might be of
interest to LR folks who had not seen it. It is quite long, but makes a
good read!

It was originally extracted from:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/

The Electronic Telegraph 21 March 1995 MOTORING

If it's good enough for the boys in blue ...

      A night on patrol with a police driver convinces Richard Simpson
that Range Rover owners need not worry

WORRYING questions about the intrinsic safety of the Range Rover have
recently been raised by a spate of high-profile accidents. But can a
vehicle that has been in volume production for a quarter of a century
really have serious handling problems that are only now coming to
light?

To find out, I spent a nightshift with Police Sergeant Joe Launder and
his good friend Mike Alpha Zero One, an L-reg Range Rover. Sgt Launder,
an Advanced Driver (Class 1), has been with the Cumbria Constabulary
for 271/2 years - not that he's counting - and he has spent all but
four of them in Traffic, or the Northern Mobile Support Group, as his
unit is now known. (Traffic is a bit of a dirty word in modern police
circles, apparently.)

Who better than Sgt Launder to analyse the strengths and weaknesses of
the Range Rover? Not only is he a highly skilled driver but he also
drives his vehicle to the limits of its capabilities. As an
"instant-response vehicle", Mike Alpha can be summoned to anything from
a serious accident on the M6 to a pub brawl in a Cumbrian town.
Recently, Sgt Launder has driven his Range Rover at 110mph on the
motorway, checked blizzard-closed roads for trapped drivers and swerved
all over a deserted A-road at 50mph to prevent a "bandit" vehicle from
passing him.

Before we hit the midnight streets, I looked over Sgt Launder's
38,000-mile vehicle and found that there were no modifications to the
engine or suspension. Mike Alpha is a disappointingly bog-standard
3.9-litre automatic Range Rover, fitted with ABS, traction control and
the lowest available trim level.

What's in the back? Sgt Launder took a deep breath: "A winch, 12 cones,
six signs, crowbars, bolt croppers, a fireman's axe, stem light and
mast, floodlights, blankets, first-aid kit, tow ropes and all my
foul-weather gear."

Then, as we pulled on to the M6, I popped the crucial question: is the
Range Rover safe? "It is," replied Sgt Launder. "I've been in and out
of them since the early Eighties and I've had no problems at all." He
concedes, however, that he wasn't too keen on Range Rovers to begin
with. "It took time to get to know their characteristics," he said.
"But since then, the vehicle has grown on me." These days Sgt Launder
revels in the same features that endear the Rangie to thousands of
Barbour-clad urbanites: that imperious driving position, the
smooth-shifting auto box.

'You can't expect it to respond as positively as a Cosworth Sierra'

After a motorway run, with the big, calibrated speedo on the dash
steady at 100mph and the car tracking dead straight despite a strong
cross-wind, Sgt Launder took me and Mike Alpha on to the A roads. "For
the type of vehicle it is, the Range Rover handles very well," said Sgt
Launder as we surge along a deserted country road.  "But you can't
expect it to respond as positively as a Cosworth Sierra."

In Sgt Launder's hands, however, Mike Alpha Zero One performed
creditably enough, taking quick S bends without undue alarms or any
excessive body roll. Sgt Launder said the current Mike Alpha rolls
rather less than the G-plate Rangie that went before. It was very
noticeable that he kept the hammer down as we rounded every curve,
keeping the Range Rover perfectly balanced through the bends.

So, no problems with high-speed stability, but what about violent
low-speed manoeuvres? I soon wished I'd never asked. We came into a
roundabout pretty fast and Sgt Launder turned in hard, accelerating as
we made two, then three circuits, our speed building with each
rotation. Eventually, the nearside tyres' shrieks of protest were
silenced as Mike Alpha set off in a sideways four-wheeled drift, still
under power. As the kerb approached, a little too rapidly for my
liking, Sgt Launder simply backed off the throttle and the vehicle
snapped straight back into line. Impressive; but not one to try at
home.

Like most other forces, Cumbria Police has been buying Range Rovers for
years, and it currently runs nine. I asked Harry Armitage, a former
police driver responsible for buying and assessing the Cumbria force's
vehicles, if he had had any negative reports about Range Rovers from
the troops. He hadn't, and even when Range Rovers had been involved in
accidents, the subsequent investigations "haven't found the vehicles
wanting".

So, how does Sgt Launder reckon us poor civvies, restricted to a paltry
70mph and to going round roundabouts just the once, should drive our
Range Rovers? "Accept that your car has less feel than a saloon and
doesn't respond as quickly, because that's down to it's off-road
capability," he said. "Take your time getting used to the Range Rover
and always make allowances for the kind of vehicle it is."

What allowances? "Don't try to corner as hard as you would in a saloon
car because if a bend tightens up, you can't just jam the brakes on in
mid-corner - the likelihood of losing control has to be greater than in
a conventional car. Drive with a more moderate attitude all round; for
example, I don't go for overtakes in the Range Rover that would be easy
in a Rover 827 patrol car."

People should think of their Range Rovers as very fast Land Rovers

Sgt Launder reckons people think of their Rangies in the wrong way,
expecting them to do all the things that a get-out-of-my-way executive
charger can. "To compare the vehicle with a saloon car is unfair, and
it's probably unwise," said Sgt Launder. Instead, he said, people
should think of their Range Rovers as very fast Land Rovers.

Not exactly music to Land Rover's corporate ears, I'm certain, but you
can see Sgt Launder's point. "Would you go charging round bends or sit
in the outside lane of the motorway in a Land Rover?" he asks.

So, Sgt Launder finds Mike Alpha a willing workhorse, but would he
recommend a Range Rover as a family car?  "Every time I drive past our
local Land Rover garage, I say to myself: 'When I win the lottery, I'm
going to have that Range Rover Vogue.' " I had my answer.

Richard Wegner                      74 Land Rover Series III 88
RR 4                                   - workhorse, travelling companion
Quyon Quebec
Canada  J0X 2V0                     67 Austin Healey 3000 - for fun!
rwegner@fimage.synapse.net                 - currently under restoration

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From: "John R. Benham" <BENHAM@WFOCLAN.USBM.GOV>
Date:          Fri, 24 Mar 1995 22:03:41 +1100
Subject:       USA - Out West!

Dear LRO's,

    Well we finally made it out of Spokane, WA.  And after a few bugs, 
we worked out the computer's interlink!  So here we are somewhere out 
in the Western USA.  As we proceed on our trip, it is important to 
inform our readers that we are trying to stay on the less traveled 
roads (blue highways on our maps), but cannot help but travel on the 
sterile Interstate here and there.  Below is our summary of the first 
three days:

Day One Tuesday, 3/21:  First day of spring!  My colleage, Seva, and I 
will be traveling in her LWB white Landie.  We are traveling light 
this time with only scuba gear, photographic equipment, and - wait, 
I think there is room for my telescope!  It is packed to the roof!  
We leave Spokane, WA and travel South through the Columbia Plateau of 
Miocene aged basalts.  Everything is 10 here: 10,000 foot thick 
flows, 10 million years old, flooded and Coulee carved 10,000 years 
ago!  We drop down into Lewiston, Idaho along the Snake River and 
over into the Nez Perce Indian Reservation.  Now we gain elevation and 
explore some of the Precambrian aged metasediments making up these 
Western Idaho Mountains.  From the town of Grangeville, we drop into 
the Salmon River Canyon and into the town of Riggins.  Locals 
here supply Rafting adventures for all skill types.  The Salmon is 
also known as the 'River of No Return'!
    The weather is unseasonably cold and we hit wind and snow later 
on today.  Late in the afternoon, we arrive at McCall, Idaho - a very 
stylish and 'in' vacationing spot for those who want to see and to 
be seen.  We travel on...  After following the beautiful Payette 
River and seeing the still frozen Payette Lake at McCall, we wearily 
drive into Boise at about 8:30PM and find a place to stay the night.  
Dinner?  How about a first rate Thai rest. right next door to our 
motel!  What a find!

Day Two Wednesday 3/22:  Unfortunately, it's an Interstate day.  From 
Boise, we go Southeast to Twin Falls and see the 212 foot high 
Shoshone Falls of the Snake River - spectacular to say the least!  
>From Boise, we are in the Columbia Basalts again.  What is different 
here though, is that we see the evidence of a 'Geologic Hot Spot'.  
The crust here has moved by plate tectonics, but a stationary hot 
spot has poked holes through the crust leaving features such as the 
moonscapes of the Craters of the Moon National Monument and the 
current hot spot location of the geysers and hot springs of 
Yellowstone National Park.  Another example of this phenomena is the 
Hawaiian Island chain.
    That afternoon, we arrive in the State of Utah and eventually see 
the Great Salt Lake.  It rests in a closed basin and all of the water 
that flows west from the Wasatch Mountains is trapped here.  The 
weather is still cold with patches of rain and snow.  Now we leave 
the Interstate, drive further southeast and arrive at our main 
destination, the Colorado Plateau!  That night we spend at Richfield, 
Utah.

Day Three Thursday 3/23:  Today we get Landie muddy and dirty!  After 
talking with a few gaffers at the grocery store, we store up on 
goodies and continue on exploring this wonderful Southwest jewel, the 
Colorado plateau region!  The Plateau has risen tectonically up to a 
mile higher than the surrounding areas.  It makes up much of Western 
Colorado, Southeast Utah, and Northern Arizona.  The geology is 
spectacular here with a mixture of Triassic, Jurassic, and Cretaceous 
sandstones, mudstones, and limestones.  From Richfield, we find some 
off-beaten paths along the Escalante Mountains and have climbed to 
9,000 feet in elevation.  Some of the roads still have snow on them 
and others are rutted, but we come through just fine.
    Trouble ahead!  When we entered Bryce Canyon National Monument, I 
drove through the entrance booth without paying!  Later, the head 
Ranger caught up with us and chewed us out.  We still had to pay our 
stinking $5.00!
    Bryce is fantastic with colors and vistas of canyons of 
multicolored sandstones eroding unevenly.  When this happens, the 
resultant eairy forms are called HooDoo rocks!  At Bryce, I tried a 
new photographic technique of using a red filter in conjunction with 
a polorizing filter and 400 speed B&W film.  The contrast is 
incredible and will have to wait to see of the results.
    South of Bryce, we travel definitely on unimproved roads of the 
Kodachrome Basin.  Here we see Grosvenor Arch - thus named after 
National Geogrphics famed founder and editor.  Further south, we 
enter Arizona and view and photograph the local geologic features of 
Marble Canyon, Vermillion Cliffs, and Echo Cliffs.
    Further off the beaten path we explore the prehistoric Anasazi 
Indian ruin of Wupatki.  More photo-ops here!  This is one of the 
better preserved ruins of the southwest.  Now we gain elevation to 
8,000 feet at Flagstaff, Arizona.  Flag rests at the base of the San 
Fransico Peaks (13,000 ft.).  We call on friends and they invite 
usto stay the night.  It is snowing now, but we have a warm 
fire, hot cider, and good friends to converse with about our 
adventures. 

To be continued!

Later, John Benham - Somewhere out west in the USA!

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From: BwanaE@aol.com
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 07:16:21 -0500
Subject: Re: Reconn Report I

Glad to hear that the recon was a blast... sorry I couldn't join in this
time.

On another note, I have not received the LRO digest for 3 days now. Anybody
else having trouble?

Eric.

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 08:57:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Returned mail: Remote protocol error (fwd)

On Fri, 24 Mar 1995, Russell G. Dushin wrote:

> Would anyone who is bored with their dual wiper motors please email me?
> I love these things, and they *are* repairable, quite easily no less,
> provided you've not *completely* buggered the things up.  Need brushes?
> No problem.  Clean that tinsey little armature up, fix yer windings,
> and let her rip.

	Yeah, but the last time I checked you had to move them to the 
	top of the windscreen because your refurbishment job resulted in
	them only going one way.  Let me guess, you have added some of those
	little plastic spoilers to them so the propeller effect actually
	helps nige go a little faster...  Gotta admit, it does look
	interesting to see you going down the highway when it is raining,
	those cute little wiper blades spinning away...  :-)

	Rgds,

	PS.  You know, making them both twirl at the same speed might
	     make them more efficient you know...

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:16:26 -0500
From: rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A. Virzi)
Subject: '90 RR for sale

Hi all.  Here's another usenet posting I cam across that might be of
interest to some on this list.  Please do NOT respond to me.  I'm just
passing this along in case you are interested.  I found the article on
ne.forsale, so I guess the seller is looking for someone in the new england
area.  If interested, contact: maainc@world.std.com (Michael Anthony)

>From: maainc@world.std.com (Michael Anthony)
>Newsgroups: ne.forsale
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 26 lines)]
>                        Fax:    617-237-6811
>                        Home:   508-358-7619
>                        email: maainc@world.std.com

  rvirzi@gte.com             Think Globally. ===
  +1(617)466-2881                            === Act Locally!

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From: Sekerere@aol.com
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:38:08 -0500
Subject: lists

Is there some problem with the digest? I have received no digests for three
days (Saturday, Sunday, Monday) Or are we being boycotted???!!!!! 

Thanks for any info

Chris W

------------------------------

From: rmodica@east.pima.edu
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 08:16:01 MST
Subject: subscribe

subscribe

I've not recieved the Digest for the last three days.???

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 10:54:16 -0500 (EST)
From: "Francis J. Twarog" <ftwarog@moose.uvm.edu>
Subject: RR 2 doors in US

This is pretty much a general announcement/plead for assistance:

Does anyone in the US know of any very good condition Range Rover 2 doors 
for sale now or in the near future?  As I have owned a 1970 88" IIA for 
four years, my father caught the bug and bought a Defender 90 last 
year and alas, now my brother feels the need for a coil sprung Solihull 
product too...

Any info would be greatly appreciated (perhaps you wouldn't mind emailing 
me direct?) - also, I have been actively searching out a way to put an 
aluminum hardtop on the Def. 90... Last year, when I first heard about 
the 40 green ones, I contacted everyone I could find at LRNA and had no 
luck - then went on to Rovers North (as they are always the most helpful) 
only to find that since Solihull never made a hardtop "kit", piecing the 
top together would be way too expensive, but buying a used one from the 
UK would be the best approach... After reading about the Ritchie's from 
the BRLRC, I have been reinspired!!!  Any help would be most appreciated.
Frank

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 11:05:28 -0500 (EST)
From: "Francis J. Twarog" <ftwarog@moose.uvm.edu>
Subject: Vent controls for IIA Rover

I was hoping that someone on the internet in the US might have a pair of 
the older style bulkhead vent "openers" - the ones that you turn the knob 
rather than lift a lever - perhaps they'd be for sale?

Also, as a service to a friend of mine who's doing a concours restoration 
of a 1959 88" - does anyone have that year's tail lights for sale?  How 
about the rubber boot that affixes itself to the wiper unit on the inside 
of the cab?  Please email direct and thanks
Frank
Vermont, USA

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 11:14:32 -0500
From: rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A. Virzi)
Subject: '90 RR for sale - Fixed posting

Damn this mailer program!  I understand the article I posted from
ne.forsale was horribly munged in transmission.  Sorry.  Hear it is in a
form that should pass the hungry beast.  -BV

Please DO NOT reply to me, send all enquiries to the fellow below:

        From: maainc@world.std.com (Michael Anthony)

        Newsgroups: ne.forsale
        Subject: 1990 RANGE ROVER COUNTY - FOR SALE
        Summary: Fully loaded, extended warranty, $18,500
        Followup-To: Michael Gaetano / "ROVER" / maainc@world.std.com

                1990   R A N G E   R O V E R    C O U N T Y

        1990 Range Rover County available!  Comes with an EXTENDED
        100,000 Mile WARRANTY.  Vehicle has new tires, new exhaust,
        new Hella lights, alarm, remote start, brush bar, front &
        rear light guards, running boards, and has never been hit.
        Vehicle is Dark Gray with Gray leather interior, sunroof,
        and a CD Player.  All maintenance has been to factory specs
        and performed by Foreign Motors West.   Will include full
        Professional detail before delivery. Have New Range Rover
        4.0 SE on order for delivery within the next two months.
        Will sell current vehicle for $18,500.  CONTACT:

                                Michael Gaetano
                                Office: 617-237-4950
                                Fax:    617-237-6811
                                Home:   508-358-7619
                                email: maainc@world.std.com

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 95 11:29:41 EST
From: tonyb@ejv.com (Tony Bromberg)
Subject: 89RR Radiator & water pump. 

Hi Stefan.

This past weekend I decided to do some maintenance on the engine.  Replacing all the belts,
cooling hoses, etc..

While toring down the fan and belts, I've made an interesting discovery.  The radiator has a
tiny leak from the top right corner.

I need advice, should I attemp to have the radiator fixed, get a used one, or get a new one?  Where can I find one
for good price?

Also, what thread sealant do I use on the water pump bolts?

And, where is the thermostat located?

Thanks

TonyB

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 19:07:38 +0200
From: wills@spl.co.za (William Smith)
Subject: SIII PUP 6 cyl, 2.6l

Hi,
We've added a new member to the family this weekend; a SIII 109 pickup for 
R3000 - she was used as a military ambulance.
She has the 6 cyl. 2.6 litre engine fitted. We believe it to be a 1976 model,
however I would like confirmation - if possible.
  Chassis no :  94112882 B
  Engine     :  C94316041
Anybody out there able to help ?
Any comments / problems regarding the 2.6l will be appreciated.

We've started the engine (although the fuel lines are blocked) and she seems
to be running very smoothly.

I've looked thru Dixon's notes on the FAQ but I'm looking for more info.

Regards
  ------------------------------------------------------------------
  William Smith                 Email: wills@SPLinux.spl.co.za
  SPL                           Voice: +27 (0)11 322 2117
  Johannesburg                  Fax  : +27 (0)11 322 2232
  South Africa                  Cell : 082 455 1816
  ------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 13:42:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Vent controls for IIA Rover

On Mon, 27 Mar 1995, Francis J. Twarog wrote:

> I was hoping that someone on the internet in the US might have a pair of 
> the older style bulkhead vent "openers" - the ones that you turn the knob 
> rather than lift a lever - perhaps they'd be for sale?

	These would be from a Series II, not a IIA ('58-62 approx)

	rgds,

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 27 Mar 95 10:51:53 PST
From: labranch@sybase.com (Jason LaBranch)
Subject: Re: #3(3) The Land Rover Owne...

> sohearn@InterServ.Com asked if all D110s were white.  All 500 of the US and
> 25 CDN limited edition D110s were white.
none

Who are you?  There is no signature on your message and there is no
name attached to your email address.  I'm just curious.

Jason LaBranch
1970 88" IIA

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 15:44:05 -0500
From: bcw6@cornell.edu (Braman Wing)
Subject: Overdrives and fuel pumps

Hi, Folks, I finally got around to installing my overdrive this weekend.
What a difference! It cut my Marion-Ithaca time from 9 hours to just under
7. I did notice, however, that the overdrive unit gets extremely hot after
about an hour of highway driving, both in and out of OD. It's not
particularly noisy, and it seems to work fine. Is this normal? Also, on
some of the steeper hills I started to lose power. Judging by the
sparkplugs, I'd say it was starving for gas. No blockages anywhere, and I
had the carb set up on the rich side if anything, so I'm thinking fuel pump
problems. Does anyone know what would cause a pump to lose performance
without failing altogether? Also, is it worth reuilding it or would I be
better off with a new unit? thanks.

                                                                bcw

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From: Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au>
Subject: Good news for those Down under!!
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 95 8:57:37 EST

Hi all,
        I was speeking to a Land Rover dealer on the weekend, and he was 
saying that the Defender 90 will be on these shores, and in the stores, 
by the end of this year!!!! He was saying that they will all be 
3.9efi's.  He said that he would be finding out more info at the Range 
Rover launch in May.

--
==============================================================================
Craig Murray                                    |       1955 Series 1 86"
LROC of Victoria Australia                      |       2.25 diesel 
LROC of Gippsland Victoria Australia            |       My car is constipated,
email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au                   |       It has not passed a 
                                                |       thing all day!!

------------------------------

From: Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au>
Subject: Re: Vent controls for IIA Rover
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 95 9:00:24 EST

Frank wrote:
> I was hoping that someone on the internet in the US might have a pair of 
> the older style bulkhead vent "openers" - the ones that you turn the knob 
> rather than lift a lever - perhaps they'd be for sale?
none

I have a pair of these sitting out in the paddock if you want them, but 
why would you want them, they seem the crappiest way to open the vents 
that I can think of.

--
==============================================================================
Craig Murray                                    |       1955 Series 1 86"
LROC of Victoria Australia                      |       2.25 diesel 
LROC of Gippsland Victoria Australia            |       My car is constipated,
email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au                   |       It has not passed a 
                                                |       thing all day!!

------------------------------

From: Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au>
Subject: Re: Test
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 95 9:18:53 EST

G'day All,

This is just a test of the NEW footy mail (or should that be person ?) group.

I need to check that you all got this message, so could you please answer
one (or two) of the following questions and "reply" the message back to
me before the end of the day (Tues. 28/03/95) ? 

Q1      Did you receive this message ? : ye 

Q2      Did you NOT receive this mail ?: n^H 

Thanks for your help, I'll be in touch soon.

Stevec

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From: Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au>
Subject: Re: Test
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 95 9:52:43 EST

Oooopppppssssss!!!!!!!!!

Sorry about that, I accedentally (Spelling!?) bounced a local message to 
the list.

A thousand million trillion appologies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

--
==============================================================================
Craig Murray                                    |       1955 Series 1 86"
LROC of Victoria Australia                      |       2.25 diesel 
LROC of Gippsland Victoria Australia            |       My car is constipated,
email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au                   |       It has not passed a 
                                                |       thing all day!!

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 95 17:13:24 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: Re: Discovery questions answered???

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: Re: Discovery questions answered???

Clayton,

Woah! Loads of questions... Okay, I'll try to answer as you ask... My
insurance is around $580 for 6 months. A co-worker's wife told me the
Discovery was the same insurance rate class as the Jeep Grand Cheroke.
No theft/vandalism problems, but as any nice vehicle, could be a target.
It does have the anti theft system (starter lockout). Maintenance I
would say is high $. So far, I haven't needed to have any from the
dealer, but it IS coming up on 15,000 miles. The dealer wants $280 or so
for the 15K "check up". Basically they replace oil/filter and brake
fluid, top off all fluids (trans, drive train, transfer case, wiper
washer fluid, etc. and grease u-joints, etc. check brakes, lube sun
roofs, door hinges, etc... I think the service at the dealer (at least
mine) is EXTREMELY professional, courteous, and thorough, but also very
pricey! No complaints from mid seat, not a lot of head room in rear
seats for adults, no ingress/egress complaints. No problems with perm.
4wd. In fact, in the snow it worked VERY well! Also, ABS worked equally
well in snow/ice. A TOTALLY worthy 4wd all on it's own. I've NEVER had
ANY difficulties. Have needed to pull out my friend's Trooper, walked
right up hills that took him around 5 minutes to get past a 10 foot
section of deep ruts, I could go on and on... I got automatic, didn't
want to shift any more. No problems with engine braking going down
around a 35-40 degree decent. (just use low range, low gear, and light
braking). No trailering, but towed 3-4 of my friend's cars home after
breaking down. Going through the mountains in Arizona, it did tend to
downshift out of overdrive into 3rd or 4th and back a lot. I'd slow
down, then need to put my foot into her a bit to downshift, and keep
going at around 75 mph or so. (Note: if you're a police, I only go 65!)
but have had her up to around 107mph once. (Very smooth and stable!)

Sorry to be brief, but I must be going... no time right now.

Feel free to ask if you have any more questions.

BTW - Towing my friend's cars was like they were not even there, but I
DO tow other vehicles very slowly.

#=======#                Never doubt that a small group of individuals
|__|__|__\___            can change the world... indeed, it's the only
| _|  |   |_ |}          thing that ever has.
"(_)""""""(_)"                                          -Margaret Mead
*** Reply to note of 03/27/95 16:47
=========================================================================
   Mon, 27 Mar 95 16:47:53 MST
          id AA21990; Mon, 27 Mar 1995 16:31:23 -0700
Mar 95 15:47:37 -0800
  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for DEBROWN@SRP.GOV); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 15:47:25 -0800
From: kirkwood@strider.fm.intel.com (Clayton Kirkwood)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 15:47:23 -0800
        "Discovery questions answered???" (Mar 22,  5:12pm)
References: <9503230014.AA15823@hermes.intel.com>
Favorite-Fruit: Banana
Fax: (916) 356-2202
Phone: (916) 356-5838
Address: FM1-58, 1900 Prairie City Road, Folsom, California 95630
X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 15sep94)
Subject: Re: Discovery questions answered???
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

On Mar 22,  5:12pm, DEBROWN@SRP.GOV wrote:
> Subject: Discovery questions answered???
> FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
> "(_)""""""(_)"                                          -Margaret Mead
>-- End of excerpt from DEBROWN@SRP.GOV

Hi David,

Thanks for the offer. Most questions were answered. I never got any input
from anybody about the cost of insurance and whether there are
theft/vandalism problems. Have you had any problems with maintenance and is
this expensive? I have gotten some input suggesting that maintenance is
required and somewhat expensive but not too the level that a ex-LR salesman
tried to suggest of $1200 at 30K miles for complete brake replacement. Have
you had any complaints from mid-seat riders 3 across about being too tight or
uncomfortable riding on the wheel well? How about the jump seat riders: are
they happy and comfortable campers? Getting into the mid seat area seems a
little tight for the foot area. Any complaints? Have you had any problems
with the perm. 4wd: do you have any slipping on snow and slick patches? Is it
a worthy 4wd on it's own or does it require add-on lockers for snow-like
conditions? Did you go with the auto or manual trans. and why? Have you done
any trailering with it, and if so, how did it perform esp. uphills?

Thanks

--
Clayton R. Kirkwood, FM1-58, 916 356-5838

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From: EvanD103@aol.com
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 20:41:00 -0500
Subject: no mail

I've not seen the digest since 24 March.  Have I displeased the gods or is
there a problem.  A nut loose on a keyboard for example....
Waiting patiently,
Erik van Dyck
Stone Mountain, Georgia
1973 Ser III

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From: Kefi@aol.com
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 20:50:41 -0500
Subject: Digest

What happened to the Digest?  I haven't received any mail since Friday.  

Anyway... A friend of mine just purchased a diesel 88 (1967).  After trying
to register the beast in Conn. this past week he was given a temporary
registration because the motor was smoking too much.

I would like to ask the readers on the net... What should be checked out? And
what can be done to remedy the situation. If there is anybody in the New
England area that can be contacted who is familiar with these motors? 

Thanks

Art Patsouris

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 21:05:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: '90 RR for sale - Fixed posting

>         1990 Range Rover County available!  Comes with an EXTENDED
>         100,000 Mile WARRANTY.  Vehicle has new tires, new exhaust,
-------[bla, bla, bla truncated by landrover-lite]
>         Will sell current vehicle for $18,500.  CONTACT:
>                                 Michael Gaetano
none

Interesting... Michael Gaetano is the guy that organizes the British
Invasion at Stowe (VT).. 

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) R.I.P.      
              7          1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol
           #:-}>         1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol

------------------------------

From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 21:05:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: LRO List

Stephen O'Hearn asks....

> Pardon me if I'm the millionth person to ask: What happened to the digest?
> Or did I just get kicked off because I washed my 90 last weekend and
> didn't confess?

Oh, sure... washed your Land Rover...  You better go out and get it dirty
real soon.... kids these days.... sheesh...

No... No... You aren't the cause... I think someone tripped over the power
cord at stratus.... Pzzzzt!

Cheers
Mike

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 21:06:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Overdrives and fuel pumps

Bramen Wing tells us...
 
> Hi, Folks, I finally got around to installing my overdrive this weekend.
> What a difference! It cut my Marion-Ithaca time from 9 hours to just under
.....snip......
> sparkplugs, I'd say it was starving for gas. No blockages anywhere, and I
> had the carb set up on the rich side if anything, so I'm thinking fuel
> pump problems.

Assuming you actually *are* having fuel delivery problems...
#1. pull the feed tube out of the fuel tank and check the screen for
blockage.. If you have any nasty sediment in the tank it can cling to the
screen and block the pipe..
#2 take off the sediment bowl and the fuel pump and clean it out.. while
you're there, carefully remove the screen from the pump (it lives above the
bowl) and clean that too..
#3 if you have a regular fuel filter somewhere on the fuel line, replace it.

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) R.I.P.      
              7          1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol
           #:-}>         1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol

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From: FMOTLEY@aol.com
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 21:38:50 -0500
Subject: Re: #1(2) The Land Rover Owne...

Hello Everyone,
I just wanted to introduce myself as a new member of the LRO net.  I own a
'71 IIA 88", and it is one of the joys of my life.  I am moving to South
Carolina (USA) this summer, and if anyone knows any reliable mechanics in
that area, I would appreciate the info.  I still have much to learn on the
mechanical side of a Land Rover!!

Regards,

Frank Motley

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 19:16:06 -0800
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: D90 Wader Plugs (info & ?)

Hope this gets through. The digest seems to be down; I've not been 
getting mine of late.

A question and/or point of information on wading plugs.  

I've being poking around my D90 for wading plug holes in the clutch 
housing/flywheel housing and appear to located one which is a 1/2" 
diameter (13mm), 18 TPI hole.  The location seems mechanically correct, 
but I'd like some confirmation.  The diameter of the hole I've located 
corresponds to that described in Sheppard's "The Land Rover Experience" 
(although the text is a bit unclear).  However, the locations of the 
holes do not correspond to those illustrated for the UK model.
  
The US dealers I've contacted know nothing about wading plugs and the US 
parts manual has no listing.  The US service manual has no direct 
reference to the wading plug hole or plug; however, under the 
diagnostics in the clutch service section it does describe ubiquitous 
internal clutch rusting as a sign of not having used wading plugs during 
extensive wading.  

Does anyone out there have any information that would confirm my almost 
certain opinion that what I have located is the clutch housing drain 
hole/wader plug hole?  

As an alternative, more self assured interpretation, all you US D90s 
drivers can take this as potentially useful information if you run in 
wet terrain.

Cheers,

Jeremy Bartlett '94 D90
jjbpears@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 23:19:56 -0600 (CST)
From: David John Place <umplace@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: D90 Wader Plugs (info & ?)

For those asking about the Digest, a note was left last Friday that it 
would be down for the weekend due to a power problem.  As planned it came 
back up today.  I don't know if I got the note on the direct route or 
digest since I am one of the lucky few on the real time list.  Anyway it 
was planned and now seems to be fixed. A tip for anyone who wants to 
quiet down those noisy engines, try Re-New.  It comes in 4 cyl and 6 & 8 
cyl tins.  I have run it in all my vehicles for a few years and I am very 
pleased.  It is noticeable how much noise it stops.  Better for noise is 
Moly-Slip in the trans, the engine and the diffs.  This is a real noise 
abatement product.  To top it off it clings like glue to the parts and 
keeps a good lubrication film on all the gears and other moving parts.  I 
used it for covering parts during assembly of rebuilt engines.  It stops 
dry startup on the first fire-up of the engine.  Since using it I can now 
talk to my wife while driving-(is that good?!) And I can hear my Ham 
Radio (that is good).  Cheers Dave VE4PN
  

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