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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re:  Now kids, don't try this at home.  Professional drivers on closed
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 08:34:24 UNDEFINED

>     turn in a 109?

T he irony is that most folk can manage a forward 180, but not a backward 180. 
In a Landrover, because of the silly handbrake configuration, forward 180s are 
SERIOUSLY difficult, whereas backward 180s are not much harder than in an 
ordinary car.

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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 05:52:51 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>
Subject: Re:  Now kids, don't try this at home.  Professional drivers on closed

> because of the ... handbrake configuration, forward 180s are SERIOUSLY
>  difficult

Ah, but Audi came up with the answer in their rallye cars -- the Fourth pedal.

They installed a second break pedal in place of the dead pedal so that they
could operate the brakes on the rear wheels only... saves taking your hands
of the wheel for that parking break lever.

   -- vorsprungderteknik --

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re:  Now kids, don't try this at home.  Professional drivers on closed
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 95 6:01:35 PST

And I thought a forward 180 was a new landrover I didn`t know about...

Russ
> > (4) Does the ... off-road school teach how to do a reverse 180 sliding
> >     turn in a 109?
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> SERIOUSLY difficult, whereas backward 180s are not much harder than in an 
> ordinary car.

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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 95 10:47:00 PST
From: labranch@sybase.com (Jason LaBranch)
Subject: North America: Internet Petition

All,

I know we don't use this forum for politics but I feel this one
effects use all.  This is a FYI.  Do what you want with it.

Jason

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  apologies if you're already aware.

  the URL at the bottom has changed. it is now http://www.phantom.com/~slowdog

          - peter
 
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Simply put, a couple of senators have proposed a particularly heinous piece of 
legislation titled the "Communications Decency Act of 1995" (Senate Bill S. 
314).  Basically, the bill would subject all forms of electronic communication 
-- From public Internet postings to your most private email -- to government 
censorship.  The effects of the bill onto the online industry would be 
devastating -- most colleges and private companies (AOL, Compuserve, etc.) 
would probably have to shut down or greatly restrict access, since they would 
be held criminally liable for the postings and email of private users. 
 
Obviously, this bill is designed to win votes for these senators among those 
who are fearful of the internet and aren't big fans of freedom of speech -- 
ie., those who are always trying to censor "pornography" and dirty books and 
such.  Given the political climate in this country, this bill might just pass 
unless the computer community demonstrates its strength as a committed 
political force to be reckoned with.  This, my friends, is why I have filled 
your mailbox with this very long message. 
 
A petition, to be sent to Congress, the President, and the media, has begun 
spreading through the Internet.  It's easy to participate and be heard -- to 
sign it, you simply follow the instructions below -- which boil down to sending 
a quick email message to a certain address.  That's all it takes to let your 
voice be heard. (You know, if the Internet makes democracy this accessible to 
the average citizen, is it any wonder Congress wants to censor it?) 
 
Finally, PLEASE forward this message to all your friends online.  The more 
people sign the petition, the more the government will get the message to back 
off the online community.  We've been doing fine without censorship until now 
-- let's show them we don't plan on allowing them to start now.  If you value 
your freedoms -- from your right to publicly post a message on a worldwide 
forum to your right to receive private email without the government censoring 
it -- you need to take action NOW.  It'll take fifteen minutes at the most, a 
small sacrifice considering the issues at hand.  Remember, the age of fighting 
for liberty with muskets and shells is most likely over; the time has come 
where the keyboard and the phone line will prove mightier than the sword -- or 
the Senate, in this case. 
 
> Here's what you have to do to sign the petition: 
> send an e-mail message to:  S314-petition@netcom.com 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> the Web at    http://www.wookie.net/~slowdog    or in the newsgroup 
> comp.org.eff.talk 
 
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Subject: message forwarded to lro@team.net
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 95 19:51:32 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

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Subject: Wednesdays digest
Message-ID: <950308223827_75473.3572_FHQ35-1@CompuServe.COM>

The thread on the ser 2 oil pressure switch is a British Standard Whitworth
3/8", it is unlikely that you could buy a fitting in the US with this thread.
 The Land rover kit comprised an extension piece and a banjo so that the
pressure switch could be retained and the oil line secured to the banjo.
 The UNC thread will actually fit in a whitworth thread but be very tight
becuase of the different thread angle 60 deg UNC  55 deg BSW.

 An alternative is to drill out the thread and fit a helicoil insert, with care
a 1/8" ANPT thread can be installed and American fittings used.

  90 Overdrive   the 5 th gear in the 90 gearbox is the overdrive.    I do not
know if the 4 speed Range Rover o/d would fit a 90 box to make it 20 speeds.

   Regards   Bill Leacock

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Subject: message forwarded to lro@team.net
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 95 19:52:38 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

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From:	WILLIAM  L. LEACOCK, 75473,3572
TO:	lrod
DATE:	3/5/95 1:19 PM

RE:	Copy of: misc

Uncle Roger
 Offset diffs mean that you are twice as likely to strike an object with the
axle than paralel diffs.
 Parallel diffs men that you are likely to strike the same object twice

? if the french should make love instead of cars 1) how do I become a frenchman
? and 2) what should Yanks and Limeys amke instead of cars?

Kelly  the axles can be modifiedto fit the springs on top, the problem comes if
you use standard springs then the drive shaft angles are a bit steep.
Alternatives are to use a special single leaf spring with a lower lift or in
fixing the spring mountings adjust the angle of the rear diff nose, the front is
a bit more complex because of the steering geometry, it involves cutting out the
diff housing and welding it back together with the diff nose at an angle.
difficult to keep the axle straight but i have seen it done !!
 
 The list of members interests makes interesting reading, I note 3 RR reg
members, not 2 as on the summary!! and there are 7 NY members, is this enough
for a meeting quorum, it is not as lonely here in NY as I thought 

Mark 
  Land rover steel wheels
   designation    Rim width   dimn from nave in  dimn from nave out   offset

  swb                    5"	4.25"		.75"		1.75" in
 lwb early		5.5	4.75		.75		2.25 in
  lwb	68 on	5.5"	4.25"		1.25"		1.5" in
  rr steel		6"	4.5		1.4		1.5" in
 f.c and 130           6.5"	3.25		3 1/8"		central
fc early		6.5	3.75		2 5/8 		.5
  
 I have never owned any disco wheels so do not have the measurements, there are
various  other makes of wheeels about.

     Regards   Bill Leacock    Limey in exile. 

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Subject: message forwarde dto lro@team.net
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 95 19:54:22 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

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	id RAA15528; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:45:38 -0500
Date: 08 Mar 95 17:38:36 EST
From: "WILLIAM  L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Subject: Copy of: Thursdays digest misc.
Message-ID: <950308223835_75473.3572_FHQ35-2@CompuServe.COM>

- ---------- Forwarded Message ----------

From:	WILLIAM  L. LEACOCK, 75473,3572
TO:	INTERNET:owner-lro-digest-ltd@uk.stratus.com,
INTERNET:owner-lro-digest-ltd@uk.stratus.com
DATE:	3/2/95 7:12 PM

RE:	Copy of: Thursdays digest misc.

David Brown, 
 Arrow services in the UK sell a coil sprung chassis to convert an 88 or a 109
to range rover axles and suspension, the 109 is advertised at 2500 pounds inc
vat which is 17.5% which is not paid on export. this includes second hand axles
and suspension bits. If you call ask for Keith and tell him Bill Leacock says
that he should give you some discount!!

Tom Rowe
 Delco man speak with forked tongue, 100 ampere at 12 volts = 1200 watts 
1 hp =746 watts therefore  1200 w = 1.6 horse power plus a bit for efficiency
but, nowhere near 30 hp, 
( I hope thats correct, it is a long time since  I went to school plus we do not
use horse power any more ) 
 The military 24 v land rover alternators  take 2.5 horse power to drive at full
power.
Ps I work for GM too, Delco is now Delphi.
 Tony B  
 Range rover wander, is it only under braking or does it wander if you
accelerate or decellerate hard.?
 if so then check ALL the suspension rubbers for wear,  worn rubbers allow the
axles to move relative to each other and thus turn if they are out of line.

 If it is under braking only that the motor pulls check that both sets of brake
pistons are working on the front brakes, check the  tracking and the track rod
ends. Whose brake pads do you use ?, are they good quality ?, try switching the
pads from one side to the other, if the direction of turn changes it is the pads
that are faulty. Check your tyre pressures are similar.

   Regards   Bill Leacock    Limey in exile.

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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 18:10:44 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Wheeling & Dealing (was: Overdrives..... The facts)

Mark "give me overdrive or give me death" Talbot wrote...
> BTW. They (merseyside)are asking if there is anything else we could 
> "Deal" on.  Your suggesstions are welcome. Remember that we have to buy 
> in bulk and would have to order 10 or more items to get a good deal. 

What about wheels?  (pun in subject intentional, btw.)  I wouldn't mind 
picking up some of those oh-so-inexpensive wheels from the UK.  (If things 
go well in my work-world, I may not have to sell either Rover, and I think 
a set of white spoke wheels would look real nice on the 88" with a pick-up 
top...)

Mebbe Carburetors too?  Differentials?  Axles?  Springs?  I don't have any 
spares of any of these, and it worries me, especially the axles & springs. 
 How about some rear doors?  I could use one or two of those.  I wouldn't 
mind a non-deluxe bonnet with a tire mount on it.  (I've got a deluxe on 
the 109" and like the regulars better.)  And while I'm dreaming, how about 
trakkers?

How about Roll bars for an 88"?  (The 109" will always have the hard top & 
rack on it, and I don't forsee ever being in a position of rolling it.  The 
88", however, is more for "fun" stuff (as opposed to overlanding) and kinda 
worries me.)  

And those ever-so-sexy raised air intakes...

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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From: BobandSueB@aol.com
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 21:51:26 -0500
Subject: Land-Rover Overdrives

On the subject of Overdrives, I suggest you should check with British
Pacific. their Price is right around (American)$684.00 
The UK 410 times 1.67 bank conversion rate also is around 684.00 
and should add 15% import duty. I bought mine last year for 660.00
from them (BP) obviously the pound /dollar fluctuates.
Also that price on a universal joint had to be a mistake,check again I
believe they are around 33.00 US.

Bob Bernard
Paradise Ca.

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