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| 1 | cs@crl.com (Michael Carr | 68 | Rover Slope Angles |
| 2 | azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woo | 20 | Jeeps in the snow |
| 3 | Spenny@aol.com | 14 | Re: Jeeps in the snow |
| 4 | Pierre Antony Ketteridge | 42 | Info/Anecdotes on Series II/IIA |
| 5 | azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woo | 13 | Re: Snow driving |
| 6 | maloney@wings.attmail.co | 66 | Clarifications from Unkle Mike |
| 7 | Decklin Hackett [Decklin | 142 | List of secretaries |
| 8 | Decklin Hackett [Decklin | 75 | ARC Info |
| 9 | Decklin Hackett [Decklin | 112 | ARC Committee |
| 10 | Decklin Hackett [Decklin | 856 | ARC Regs |
| 11 | chrisste@clark.net (Chri | 16 | LRS For Sale |
| 12 | "Tom Rowe" [TROWE@AE.AGE | 25 | DAP Enterprises |
| 13 | Mike Rooth [M.J.Rooth@lu | 28 | Re: Boys and Girls....and unpleasant tales.... |
| 14 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em | 9 | Ads... |
| 15 | hiner@mail.utexas.edu (G | 14 | Rover Web + Info help |
| 16 | Richard Jones [rich@apri | 32 | [not specified] |
| 17 | Jim Lindsay [jnl@crl.com | 7 | help |
| 18 | jfhess@ucdavis.edu (John | 18 | prices |
| 19 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em | 17 | Re: prices |
| 20 | ScottFugate_Group1@ctdvn | 35 | Taylor's Quest |
| 21 | Jimmy Patrick [jimmyp@ck | 19 | queen mabel |
| 22 | C Taylor Sutherland III | 12 | digest |
| 23 | rmodica@east.pima.edu | 25 | Bermuda Triangle LRO delivery |
| 24 | abalser@salrm.alaska.edu | 10 | vacuum leak? |
| 25 | grea@virgo.net.gov.bc.ca | 15 | Warn Hub Parts |
| 26 | UncleBrad@aol.com | 22 | 3 LRs for sale in CA |
| 27 | berg@acf2.NYU.EDU (Jeff | 39 | Rover Extreme |
| 28 | taylors@hubcap.clemson.e | 52 | Real investigation. |
| 29 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em | 56 | Re: LRO Special: Updates on List stuff |
| 30 | Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn | 18 | Re: re: Jeeps are Crap in the snow. |
| 31 | Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn | 29 | Dave Brown's notsoFAQ's |
| 32 | Kelly Minnick [minnick@j | 33 | Misc |
| 33 | ritter mark c [70472.113 | 10 | Disco Modifications |
| 34 | taylors@hubcap.clemson.e | 46 | Reply to Sinasohn |
| 35 | "walter c. swain (wcswai | 15 | LROs For Sale |
| 36 | robdav@sunshine.vab.para | 26 | Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest |
| 37 | JDolan2109@aol.com | 12 | 'Ye olde axe' |
| 38 | JDolan2109@aol.com | 46 | Re: Cold(?) Start up & weber |
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 23:48:09 -0800 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Rover Slope Angles Granville Pool <mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net> writes: different measurements mixed together, or at least so it seems to me. I've already eaten humble pie on that issue, thank you anyway :) I have noted Morgan Hannaford <morgan@nature.berkeley.edu>'s comment to realize that the breakover angle is the downhill slope from level, with the edge encroaching towards the undercarriage between the front and rear wheels while going over. (Maybe my message didn't get through, I can't tell.) Granville goes on to say: >As to the comparison of the sideslope capabilities, it seems to defy gravity but I have seen pictures of mogs tipped up to at least 30 degrees or more. And I have read, a number of times, over the years, that Land-Rovers can really do 45 degrees (yes, I know that's 100%). I know I've had mine up to where the downhill front tyre was almost pealing off the rim. But I don't want to be the one who tests just how far they'll go before rolling. All you have to do is hit a little dip or rock and over you go! then Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au> wrote: >I have a promotional video for the Unimog at home, and it states that the Unimog can traverse a side slope of 40 degrees! I stand corrected AGAIN, it is degrees, not percent for the Unimog*. In my spec' sheet for the U-404 series the side slope angle is _42_ degrees actually (or 90 percent slope) when empty. However, the Hummer is still at 40 percent side slope (21.8 degrees), which is approximately what Morgan Hannaford reports to be the recommended side slope for the Series Land Rovers at 23 degrees or so. As to reports about the Atlanta Rover dealership driving course having approach/departure slopes of 45 degrees each, this exceeds the design specifications of Range Rover County (30/30 degrees with spoilers, 40/30 w/o spoiler), Discos (38/28 degrees), and D-110 (50/35 degrees), leaving only the D-90 (50/52 degrees) able to approach the ramp. The _maximum_ gradient is 45 degrees for each class of vehicle under optimal conditions, making it a borderline demonstration of the positive capabilities of the Rover. As to a side slope of 45 degrees, I still say from paranoid experiences with my Series III, the vehicle would turn over WAY before approaching a 100 percent side slope (even when empty, not even a driver present!). Again, the report may be mixing up degrees with percent, as even 45 _percent_ (24.2 degrees) by itself is intutively a severe side slope. For now I'll reserve judgment until I "see it to believe it". Maybe someone would like to do a static test by jacking up their vehicle --with proper restraints of course-- to determine the balance point and measure the resulting angle. This could become an event at Rover meets, "Tossing Rovers" (Granville, do you like Michelob? We could bring a few cases, along with a high-lift jack, to the scouting outing or rallye in Mendocino). Cheers, Michael Carradine Carradine Studios Tel.500-442-6500 Architect Architecture Development Planning Pgr.510-945-5000 NCARB RIBA PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA cs@crl.com *see Unimogs at ftp://ftp.crl.com/ftp/users/ro/cs/unimog.html Michael Carradine Carradine Studios Tel.500-442-6500 Architect Architecture Development Planning Pgr.510-945-5000 NCARB RIBA PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA cs@crl.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950304 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Jeeps in the snow Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 08:24:53 UNDEFINED In article writes: nowt, hit the wrong button........... Jeeps. Pah! get a motorbike. A few weeks back I was riding home up the Cross Foxes pass. Bit snowy. Lots of slow cagers getting in the way. Guy in a Daihatsu 4wd was the only other vehicle overtaking. Eventually I got past him and this seemed to pique his pride. So he put his foot down and followed me. Over the top of the pass, the descent has some bends. He lasted for 3 before he nearly lost it and bottled out. The consensus that it's 95% driver and 5 % vehicle is definitely true. No-one round here has a clue what to do with snow. There is no way a bike should be anything other than the SLOWEST vehicle on the road in snow, particulalry a sportbike designed on a racetrack, running rain-slicks. ------------------------------[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950304 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Spenny@aol.com Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 06:34:20 -0500 Subject: Re: Jeeps in the snow Stefan writes... macho was a complete idiot, thinking that raw engine power is the solution to all traction problems... snip... IQ measured in RPMs perhaps? spenny ------------------------------[ <- Message 4 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950304 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 11:07:32 GMT
From: Pierre Antony Ketteridge <ketteridgep@glub.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Info/Anecdotes on Series II/IIA
Hi there again, Pierre (Custodian of Allah) here again.
Not much has been happening of late, apart from trying to rebuild Allah the
Series I after the Mille Rivieres fiasco. More on that later (and perhaps an
article in LRO).
(And I intend to post an account in the next few days on my recent induction
to offroad tuition - to 15-year-old schoolgirls - heh, heh - it was quite an
eye-opener, I can tell you!)
But more immediately, I have a favour to ask. Last month I was asked to write
a feature for a new publication, 4x4 & OFFROAD MART, about Series Ones,
naturally enough. No problem there, as I had my own experiences and anecdotes to
draw on.
However, they've now asked me to do a similar article for the second issue,
about... Series II/IIAs. OK, I've driven a few, and can get most of the
technical/mechanical info I need, but I like to flesh out my writing with
anecdotal material too. Can anyone help, with the odd story, particular gripes/
loves etc?
Maybe they'll want one on SIII later, then 90s, 110s, lightweights, FC101s,
...(I can always dream, can't I?)
Any info gratefully accepted and acknowleged (digest and/or email).
Thanks,
--
Pierre
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]From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: Snow driving Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 12:02:03 UNDEFINED /As a graduate of Jean-Paul Luc's ice driving school, I'd say success in /snow driving is 50% drivers skill, 25% tires and 25% vehicle. The best /snow tires are tall, narrow and sharp-shouldered (unless you drive on /glaciers) with an aggressive, self-cleaning tread. Also important is the Conversely, all the now-famous loony Icelandic offroaders use dumper tyres about 20inches wide........... ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950304 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 08:23:21 -0500 From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney) Subject: Clarifications from Unkle Mike Unkle Mike seems to be showing advanced signs of senility. Seems he forgot to cc this to the list: --------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Triple C Stuff, etc. Ah,those were the days!Forecourt attendants in heels and pearls.The film bears no relation to the truth,Bill. In fact,the randy old farmers chased the forecourt attendants round the fields in their Land Rovers.Eventually,the supply of attendants ran out,due to the fact that Land Rovers were faster across country than the attendants,(thus disproving Confucious' law about rape being impossible).The sale of shotgun ammunition boomed,due to the increase in shotgun weddings following such activities.Having thus acquired,all unwitting,wives and offspring, the farmers were all so knackered trying to earn a dishonest crust to keep body and soul together,that they decided to a man that no-one else should have to undergo that sort of punishment ever again.So they locked up their female offspring,or,failing that, bought them all horses so that when clad in "the gear" they would all look the same,*and* be slightly nippier across country, taught them to drive the old series one,and caused the series two to be built.Since it is common knowledge that when push comes to shove the old 80" has a slight edge over the two in difficult terrain,it will come as no surprise that the farming community decreed that this be so. Of course,the SAS,being licencious soldiery,tried their best to redress the balance with the "pink panther".Their reasoning being that it is well known that the ladies have a fondness for pink, and who would dream that anyone driving araound in a vehicle*that* colour would do so with fell intent.Unfortunately they completely miscalculated when it came to the weaponry,no-one having told them that the whole idea was to catch them *alive*.This accounts for the fact that the regiment is largely confines to wild wet areas of this country(Wales)where sheep outnumber people.(Well,they've got to eat *something*).It also accounts for the fact that the SAS *and* their vehicles are more often seen abroad.They are sent there so that they can bother othercountries petrol station attendants, since other countries farmers arent as canny as ours,so they've stil got petrol station attendants.Mind you,it might have something to do with the lack of Land Rovers for their farmers to drive as well. It is worth noting that The Alternative Optional Extras Manual list a Mechanical Ram,PTO driven,which became very popular with sheep farmers.This gave rise,among the criminal element,to the practice of "Ram Raiding",originally a bucolic pastime wherein one farmer would nick his neighbour's Land Rover in the dead of night,a Land Rover so equipped being a desirable object.Unfortunately the urban types decided that driving through shop windows was what it meant, in order that they might obtain after closing time,that which it was *much* too busy for them to obtain during normal shopping hours. This practice serves to lighten the workload of retail sales staff. The Irish heard of this practice,but it is not much followed there, ever since one Irishman complained bitterly to the National Farmers Union.He said that his prize ram had spent all night butting the local jewellers shop window,and all it got was a headache.I beleive they have a breeding program under way........ Cheers Mike Rooth ------------------------------[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950304 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 12:24:41 GMT From: Decklin Hackett <Decklin@g1nhh.demon.co.uk> Subject: List of secretaries The following information is correct as of 1.3.95 and was supplied by ARC Secretary Andrew Stavordale. Correspondence via internet can not be supported on a regular basis any correspondence regarding this information should be addressed to : Andrew J Stavordale, 65 Longmead avenue, Hazel Grove, Stockport, Cheshire, SK7 5PJ Telephone: +44 161 456 8224 Fax: +44 161 456 8224 SECRETARY LIST Updated February 11, 1995 Association of Rover Clubs A.J. Stavordale, 65 Longmead Avenue, Hazel Grove, Stockport, Cheshire, SK7 5PJ. 0161 456 8224 101 Forward Control Club & Register N. Kay, Denver Lodge,Burgate, North Newbald, East Yorkshire, YO4 3SG. 01430 827740 Bay State Rover Owners Association J. Pappas, P.O. Box 342,North Sciuate, Massachusetts 02060, U.S.A. 615 545 4743 Breckland Land Rover Club W. Chandler, 8 Acorn Road, North Walsham, Norfolk 01692 404453 Cheltenham and Cotswold Rover Owners Club `I. Wood, 21 Oldbury Road, Cheltenham, GL510HH 01242 230793 Chiltern Vale Rover Owners Club C. Argent, 21 Meadow Way, Codicote, Hitchin, Hertfordshire, SG4 8YL 01438 821581 Cornwall & Devon Land Rover Club M. Rolstone, 64 Sunnybanks Hatt, Saltash, Cornwall, PL12 6SA. 01752 846726 Cumbrian Rover Owners Club P. Anstiss, 11 Alder Close, Newton-with- Scales, Preston, Lancs. PR4 3TQ 01772 685735 Deutscher Land Rover Club in Hessen S. Jacobs, Klopstock Str 22, 65187 Weisbaden, Germany Dorset Land Rover & Range Rover Owners Club B. Dart, 26 St Clement's Road, Parkstone, Poole, Dorset BH15 3PD 01202748837 Dutch Land Rover Register P. Bakker, Sluswei 10, 9215 VX De Veenhoop, Holland 01031 51281511 East Northants Land Rover Club D.A. Vaughan, 1 Woodavens Close, Northampton, Northants, NN4 9TX 01604 763626 Essex Land Rover Club D. Bygrave, The Knoll, Bygrave Road, Ashwell, Nr. Baldock, Herts, SG7 5RH 01462 742418 First Land Rover Club Italia G. Novaresio, c/o Studionove,Via Orbetello 176, 10148 Torino, Italy 0112264252 Flower of Scotland Four Wheel Drive Rover Club K. Flynn, 2Craiglockhart Place, Edinburgh, EH14 1NA 0131 443 2881 SIIA/B Forward Control Register C.B. Heron, 28 Front Street, Daisy Hill, Sacriston, Co Durham, DH7 6BL 0191 371 2527 Hants & Berks Rover Owners G. Langton, Flat 1, Hillside Court, 16 Solent Road, Drayton, Portsmouth, Hampshire, PO61HH 01705 388929 Lancs & Cheshire Rovers Owners Club A.J. Stavordale, 65Longmead Avenue, Hazel Grove, Stockport, SK7 5PJ 0161 456 8224 Land Rover Register 1947-51 R. Lines, Ricoli, Conisholme Land Rover Series One Club D. Bowyer, East Foldhay, Zeal Monachorum, Crediton, Devon, EX17 6DH 01363 82666 Land Rover Series Two Club F. Myatt, 8 Willow Grove, Malvern Link, Worcestershire, WR14 2SE 01684 572644 Leicestershire & Rutland Land Rover Club M. Smith, 1 Yarwell Drive, Wigston,Leicester, LE8 1QF 01533 881041 Lighweight Land RoverClub S. Foster, 31 Slimbridge Close, Redbridge Park,Breightmet, Bolton, BL2 5NT 01204 396449 Lincolnshire LandRover Club G. Matthews, 6 Dunholme Road, Welton, Lincoln LN23RS 01673 860977 Midland Rover Owners Club S. Sheridan, 59 Ventor Avenue, Hogde Hill Nantwich Rover Owners Club G.R. Thompson, 70 Cambridge Drive,Clayton, Newcastle, ST5 3DQ 01782 617224 North Eastern Rover Owners Club G. Campbell, 1 Hawthorn Road,Blyth, Northumberland NE24 3DT 01670 362256 North Wales Land Rover Club D. Cuthbert, 25 SunningdaleAvenue, Colwyn Bay, Clwyd, LL29 6DF 01492 534417 Nottingham Land Rover Club A. Bentley, 19 Manns Leys,Cotgrave, Nottingham P6 Rover Owners Club D. Johnson, 36 St. Augustines Avenue,South Croydon, Surrey, CR2 6TG 0181 688 8263 Peak and Dukeries Land Rover ClubI. Joustra, 181 School Road,Crookes Sheffield S10 1GJ 0742 667724 Pennine Land Rover Club I. Hill, 2 Westbourne Road,Pontefract, West Yorkshire WF8 4JY 01977 707895 Range Rover Register L. Booth, 128 Balmoral Road,Gillingham, Kent, ME7 4QR 01634 280759 Red Rose Land Rover Club B.L. Hart, 75 Coniston Road, Fulwood, Preston, Lancs, PR2 4AY 01772 709391 The Rover Sports Register A.E. Hall, 50 Ash Road, Shirley,Croydon, CR0 8HU 0181 777 4730 Scottish Land Rover Owners Club A. Walker, 77 Albert Avenue,Glasgow, G42 8RA 0141 423 8671 Somerset & WiltshireRover Owners Club M. Bourne, 9 Burrowfield Square, Bruton,Somerset BA10 0HR 01749 812572 Southern Rover Owners Club T. McCartney, 5 Regency Way,Crooklog, Bexley Heath, Kent, DA6 8BT 0181 301 5451 Staffordshire & Shropshire Land Rover Club V. Johnson, 4 Waltham House, Overend Street, West Bromwich, B70 6ER 0121 553 4070 Swedish Land Rover Club C-E. Lundkvist, Saturnusvagen 31,S-184 50 Akersberga, Sweden 08 540 21498 Wye and Welsh Rover Owners Club P. Slingerland, Old Bakery,The Square, Ruardean, Glos. GL17 9TJ 01594 54405 Yorkshire Rover Owners Club D. Barker, Rivendell, 2 Huby Bank, Huby, North Yorkshire, LS17 0AH 01423 734412 -- ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950304 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 12:16:58 GMT From: Decklin Hackett <Decklin@g1nhh.demon.co.uk> Subject: ARC Info The following information is correct as of 1.3.95 and was supplied by ARC Secretary Andrew Stavordale. Correspondence via internet can not be supported on a regular basis any correspondence regarding this information should be addressed to : Andrew J Stavordale, 65 Longmead avenue, Hazel Grove, Stockport, Cheshire, SK7 5PJ Telephone: +44 161 456 8224 Fax: +44 161 456 8224 The Association of Rover Clubs was established in 1978 to replace the Rover Owners' Association and comprises around 35 regionally and nationally based clubs incorporating all types and ages of Rover vehicles. The preceding organisation, the R.O.A., was organised by British Leyland Ltd. and membership was open to all owners of Rover vehicles. Around 1977 the Company decided to withdraw from Club organisation and suggested that the affiliated Rover Clubs should organise a new Association. This became the Association of Rover Clubs where membership is open to Clubs both in Great Britain and Overseas providing they are Clubs whose rules confine them to Rover vehicles. Because of RAC Motor Sport Association requirements, members of competitive Clubs can become individual members. This is done purely for motor sport purposes and we suggest that individuals contact one of the Member Clubs for membership details. Most of the present Member Clubs welcome Rover enthusiasts of all types but obviously some specialist Clubs concentrate on certain kinds - such as the Rover Sports Register, who include all models of Rover Cars from 1904 to the present day. The Land Rover Register (1947-51) are involved in the historical development of the Land Rover and tracing early vehicles, or the Hants & Berks Rover Owners are a Club who welcome and cater for any type of Rover enthusiast in their locality. Aims of the A.R.C. include development of interest in all new Rover products, vehicles and optional extras; together with organisation of Caravan Rallies; 4 wheel drive motor sports which vary from Gymkhanas and Road Taxed Vehicle Trials through to full Cross Country Trials and Speed Events. We are registered with the R.A.C. Motor Sports Association as a Motor Club and have Committee representation. For Competitions we have a National set of Vehicle Regulations for any competitor entering another Club's events anywhere in the Country. We hold a Caravan Exemption Certificate issued by the Department of the Environment for the purpose of allowing caravan rallies. The annual 'National Rally', usually organised at Whitsun by one of the Member Clubs has, since the establishment of the A.R.C. attracted between 400 and 500 caravans with oversubscribed Cross Country Events and other competitions including Concourse D'elegance, Childrens Bike Trials, Autojumbles etc. The renewal of old friendships and the creation of new acquaintances are all part of the National Rally together with amicable rivalry between Clubs and individual competitors. Another primary object of the A.R.C. is to maintain a strong link with the various Rover Companies and particularly with Land Rover Limited in these economically difficult times. Quarterly A.R.C. committee meetings are regularly held at the Solihull Plant and the Company support the Club in many ways, including provision of trophies, information of new vehicles, equipment and changes in law, including Common Market regulations. The Association can offer reduced rates for RAC Motoring Services which includes roadside assistance, recovery and legal help. Finally, the Association is fostering new links with Overseas Clubs and information and newsletters are exchanged with over 80 Clubs throughout the world. If you are travelling abroad many Overseas Clubs will provide excellent hospitality if they are contacted prior to departure and in return, it may be possible to take them parts which are in short supply in their country. The Association welcomes all new members and, as a member you will find the appreciation of Rovers transcends all other barriers. For details of how to join this friendly group please contact the Club Secretary of your choice. -- ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950304 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 12:27:15 GMT
From: Decklin Hackett <Decklin@g1nhh.demon.co.uk>
Subject: ARC Committee
The following information is correct as of 1.3.95 and was supplied by ARC
Secretary Andrew Stavordale.
Correspondence via internet can not be supported on a regular basis any
correspondence regarding this
information should be addressed to :
Andrew J Stavordale, 65 Longmead avenue, Hazel Grove, Stockport, Cheshire, SK7
5PJ
Telephone: +44 161 456 8224 Fax: +44 161 456 8224
ARC Executive Committee following AGM of March 19th 1994
Chairman Peter Oakden, Oak Cottage, Wood Lane,
Norton-Juxta-Twycross, Atherstone, Warwickshire
CV9 3QB, 0827 880677
Vice Chairman Dennis Bourne, 124 Crescent Drive, Petts Wood
Nr Orpington, Kent, BR5 1BE, 0689 839458
Secretary Andrew Stavordale, 65 Longmead Avenue
Hazel Grove, Stockport, Cheshire
SK7 5PJ, 061 456 8224
Treasurer Lawrence Johnson, 4 Waltham House, Overend
Street, West Bromwich, West Midlands,
B70 6ER, 021 553 4070
Caravan Secretary Jim Campbell, 397 Plessey Road, Blyth
Northumberland, NE24 3LP, 0670 352456
Overseas Liaison Fran Luxton, Woodbine Cottage, Lamerton
Officer Nr. Tavistock, Devon PL19 8RZ, 0822 610650
Rights of Way and Land Use Tony Kempster, Knelle Hill Lodge, Beckley
Officer Rye, East Sussex, TN31 6UD, 0797 252371
National Rally Liaison Harold Lowe, 89 Broadwood Drive, Fulwood
Officer Preston, PR2 4TE, 0772 716956
Magazine Editor Ted Ivory, Tor View Nurseries,
Chilsworthy Beam, Gunnislake, Cornwall,
PL18 9AT, 0822 832564
Press, Publicity and Wendy Roberts, The Old Reading Rooms,
Sponsorship Bridgend, Loswithiel, Cornwall,
PL22, 0208 873319
Rover Company Liaison Peter Oakden, Oak Cottage, Wood Lane,
Norton-Juxta-Twycross, Atherstone, Warwickshire
CV9 3QB, 0827 880677
Technical Officer Ken Knight, Bird Lymes Cottage, Porton,
Salisbury, Wiltshire, 0980 610776
Minutes Secretary Sandra Bourne, 124 Crescent Drive, Petts Wood
Nr Orpington, Kent, BR5 1BE, 0689 839458
Club Shop Graham G. Chick, 37 Sharfleet Drive, Strood,
Kent, ME2 2TY, 0634 715639
Non-Competitive Clubs Tony Holder, Blue Fir, Bellingdon, Chesham
Liaison Buckinghamshire, HP5 2XW, 0494 783437
RAC MSA Liaison Harold Carman, 86 Moughland Lane, Runcorn,
Cheshire, WA7 4SQ, 0928 564388
Shows & Displays June & Jack Green, Ovingdon, The Terrace,
Coordinator Shotley Bridge, Consett, Co. Durham,
DH8 0EZ, 0207 590871
CCMSA Coordinator Andrew Neaves, 8 Easthouse Drive, Hurley,
Nr Atherstone, Warwickshire,
CV9 2HB, 0827 874008
Scrutineering Committee (Chairman) David Marsh, 28 Springfield Close,
Plymstock, Plymouth, Devon, PL9 8QG, 0503
240590
Steve Kirby, 244 Staines Road, Twickenham
Middlesex, TW2 5AR, 081 894 3961
John Hewitson, 2 Offini Close, Sandwell Valley
West Bromwich, 021 553 1547
Norman Whiteley, 10 Thorncliffe, Kirkburton
Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, HD8 0UG
0484 603564
Dennis Wright, 14 Dale Close, Skegby,
Sutton-in-Ashfield, Notts, NG17 3AF,
0623 515393
Mick Gillet, 65 The Straits, Lower Gornal,
Dudley, West Midlands, DY3 3AL, 0902 884407
Gary D. Chick, 3 Wakefield Close, Strood,
Kent, ME2 2RL, 0634 727440
Harold Carman, 86 Moughland Lane, Runcorn
Cheshire, WA7 4SQ, 0928 564388
Mr M Dransfield, Land Rover Replacements, Coach
House Buildings, Cardwell Terrace, Savile Road,
Dewsbury WF12 9NP, 0924 274587
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Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 12:29:10 GMT
From: Decklin Hackett <Decklin@g1nhh.demon.co.uk>
Subject: ARC Regs
The following information is correct as of 1.3.95 and was supplied by ARC
Secretary Andrew Stavordale.
Correspondence via internet can not be supported on a regular basis any
correspondence regarding this information should be addressed to :
Andrew J Stavordale,
65 Longmead avenue, Hazel Grove, Stockport, Cheshire, SK7 5PJ
Telephone: +44 161 456 8224 Fax: +44 161 456 8224
ARC VEHICLE REGULATIONS
The general regulations (section A) apply to all vehicles entered in
trials and timed events. The standard class regulations (section B)
apply to vehicles which are entered in a class defined as 'Standard
...'. The special class regulations (section C) apply to vehicles wh=
ich
are entered in a class defined as 'Special ...'. General supplementa=
ry
regulations (section D) apply to all vehicles. Specific supplementar=
y
regulations (sections E to K) apply to vehicles entered in the event =
to
which the regulations relate.
The following regulations apply from 1st January 1995 and supersede a=
ll
previous versions. Where a regulation has been changed from 1994 the=
old
regulation is printed in italics after the 1995 version. Where a
regulation is newly introduced for 1995, it is printed in underlined =
text.
Section A - General Regulations
A.1 SOURCE
The vehicle shall originally be of Land Rover or Range Rover de=
sign
and must use chassis components of Land Rover or Range Rover de=
sign
maintaining a main chassis rail separation of Land Rover or Ran=
ge
Rover specification. Strengthening may be incorporated as
required. The grafting of two or more chassis types is permitt=
ed,
providing that in the scrutineers opinion sufficient strength i=
s
retained. Cross members and outriggers may be replaced by sect=
ions
of equal or greater strength than the original. The use of 'ra=
il',
space' or 'monocoque' chassis construction is prohibited until =
Land
Rover or Range Rover supply a production model on the UK market
incorporating one or more of these methods of construction, in
which case its use shall be restricted to those vehicles in a
standard class only. The vehicle shall originally be of Land Ro=
ver
manufacture.
A.2 VEHICLE CLASSES
A.2.1 Trials:-
Class 1 Standard 80"
Class 2 Standard 86", 88" Series I & Lightweight, petrol and diesel
Standard 86", 88" Series I & Lightweight, petrol and diesel 199=
7 to
2286cc.
Class 3 Standard 88" Series II, IIa and III. petrol & diesel.
Class 4 Standard Ninety (92.9") petrol, diesel, and diesel-turbo.
Class 5 Standard LWB, LWB V8; One Ten petrol, diesel and diesel turbo;
Range Rover and Discovery petrol, petrol injection
and diesel turbo; Forward controls various.
Class 6 Special 80" leaf sprung
Special 80"
Class 7 Special 86" & 88" Series I and lightweight, leaf sprung
Special 86" & 88" Series I and lightweight.
Class 8 Special 88" Series II, IIa & III, leaf sprung
Special 88" Series II, IIa & III
Class 9 Special coil sprung, 80" wheelbase
Class 10 Special coil sprung, minimum 86" wheelbase
Special coil sprung, 86", 88" and Ninety
Class 11 Special LWB, leaf sprung, any Rover engine
A.2.2 Competitive Safari:-
Class 1 Standard leaf sprung. Up to 2000cc 4 cylinder petrol and up to
2286cc diesel engine.
Class 2 Standard leaf sprung. 2001cc to 2495cc petrol or 2287cc to 2495=
cc
diesel & LWB 2625cc 6 cylinder petrol.
Class 3 Standard. Range Rover, Discovery, One Ten & LWB V8.
Class 4 Standard, turbo diesel. Ninety, Range Rover, Discovery, One Ten.
Class 5 Standard, petrol injection. Range Rover, Discovery.
Class 6 Special. Leaf sprung up to 3000cc.
Class 7 Special. Leaf sprung above 3000cc.
Class 8 Special. Coil sprung up to 3000cc, & Ninety.
Class 9 Special. Coil sprung above 3000cc, & Ninety.
A.2.3 The Defender range of vehicles are covered by their Ninety/90 a=
nd
OneTen/110 equivalents.
A.2.4 Standard production vehicles from Land Rover Ltd. built after
January 1st 1993 which do not have a competition
class of their own are to be allowed to compete in the class wh=
ich
nearest fits their specification.
A.3 SEATS
Seats must be firmly fixed and doors securely fastened.
A.4 EXHAUST SYSTEM
These may be altered but noise shall be kept to a reasonable le=
vel
and the system shall not pass through thedriver or passenger
compartment. Exposed parts must be suitably guarded.
A.5 RADIATORS & PLUMBING
A.5.1 All coolant hoses and pipework must be separated from the
passenger/driver compartment by means of lagging (if metal pipework) and=
a
solid metal cover (if rubber pipework) to protect all persons including
spectators.
A.5.2 All open pipework is to be protected irrespective of quality.
A.5.3 The radiator shall be shielded from the driver/passenger
compartment. Louvred vents are acceptable as radiator shielding.
A.5.4 The fan should be protected by a grille.
A.5.5 If a bonnet is lost on a Comp. Safari, a front-radiator vehicle
will not be allowed to continue until the radiator/engine compartment is
protected again.
A.6 STEERING & AXLES
A.6.1 Under no circumstances will steering gear parts that have been =
cut,
cut-out, bent, broken or welded be allowed.
A.6.2 Axles may have strengthening material welded to them.
A.6.3 Steering rods may not have additional material welded to them.
A.6.4 'Sleeved' tubes are permitted but may have to be removed at the
scrutineer's discretion to allow examination of the contained =
part.
A.7 WHEELS
A.7.1 Road wheels shall be of steel construction, have a rim diameter=
of
15" or 16" and not have an offset between the
outer flat of the nave plate to the outer flange of the rim of more than
100mm. All Land Rover, Range Rover and Discovery steel
wheels comply with this regulation.
A.7.2 No wheel or hub spacers are allowed.
A.7.3 "8-Spoke" or similar non-Rover wheels are allowed but may be
subject to particularly detailed scrutiny.
A.7.4 There shall be only four wheels fitted to the vehicle.
A.8 TYRES
A.8.1 Any size tyres may be used so long as they have a maximum infla=
ted
diameter of 33" and that the 100mm wheel offset
limit (rule A.7.1) is not exceeded. Forward Control Land Rovers (all typ=
es)
may have larger diameter tyres.
A.8.2 Tyres must not be of tractor or implement type or be fitted wit=
h
studs or chains. Tractor and implement tyres have
a "V"-shaped tread of separate blocks of rubber like the ones fitted to =
the
driving wheels of tractors and dumper trucks.
A.9 SUSPENSION
Spring shackle plates should be the same type as those fitted b=
y
the manufacturer and be a maximum of 6" between pin centres. If
greater than 5" between pin centres they shall incorporate a
centre strengthening device.
A.10 SHOCK ABSORBERS/DAMPERS
A.10.1 Shock-absorbers/dampers must be fitted. As many shock-
absorbers/dampers as wanted may be fitted. "Coil-over"
designs are acceptable and are classed as shock-absorbers/dampers.
A.10.2 Axle check straps and bump stops are not mandatory.
A.11 FUEL TANKS
A.11.1 All fuel tanks must be securely fixed in place, be of metal
construction, have a leakproof cap, a self sealing
vent and be isolated from the driver/passenger compartment by the best
possible method commensurate with the vehicle design.
Underseat lids should be screwed down with a gasket. The very minimum
protection for an early underseat filler is the cap
separately sealed.
A.11.2 Vehicles factory fitted with plastic fuel tanks are acceptable.
A.11.3 The fuel filler cap must be located in a safe place. If the fue=
l
tank is in the rear of the vehicle, a separate
metal cover must be fitted even if a truck cab is fitted. The basic them=
e is
to prevent fuel leaking onto the driver/navigator or
out of the vehicle if it is inverted.
A.12 SILHOUETTE
(Note:- The "body capping line" on a Land Rover is defined as a horizont=
al
line level with the top edge of the fixed rear load
area surround. The "window line" on a Range Rover and Discovery is level
with the bottom edge of the side windows.)
A.12.1 Below the body capping line:-
A.12.1.1 The silhouette of the bodywork below the body capping line on a
Land Rover or window line on a Range Rover must be
strictly complied with; the chassis, fuel tank etc. are not considered.
A.12.1.2 There shall be no alteration to the manufacturer's original
wheelbase of the vehicle.
A.12.1.3 Sills may be removed and wings cut away,
provided they present no sharp edges. Inner faces of the wings (those ei=
ther
side of the radiator panel on a Land Rover) should be present so as not =
to
alter the silhouette of the body.
A.12.1.4 The tailgate may be removed.
A.12.1.5 The use of Ninety/OneTen/Defender/LWB 109" V8 style bonnets,
grilles and front panels is allowed on 88" Series II, IIa and III vehicl=
es.
A.12.2 Above the body capping line:-
A.12.2.1 The body parts above the body
capping on a Land Rover and above the window line on a Range Rover and a
Discovery may be removed.
A.12.3 Bonnets must be retained in place.
A.12.4 If wide axles have been fitted to a narrow vehicle such that th=
e
wheels/tyres protrude from the bodywork, then wheel arch flares/
spats/extensions must be fitted to cover them. Such items are not deemed=
to
be part of the silhouette. This is permissible in order to make the vehi=
cle
road-legal or to prevent too much mud and stones being thrown about.
A.12.5 The shortening of a chassis is permitted providing the wheelbas=
e
matches the body being used. For example, if you shorten a LWB leaf spru=
ng
chassis to go under a Lightweight body, the wheelbase must be the same
measurement as in a Lightweight and body specifications and appearance m=
ust
be exactly as in a Lightweight. All welding, joints and strengthening pl=
ates
on the chassis must be of the highest standard.
A.13 BUMPERS & CROSS-MEMBERS
A.13.1 On Land Rovers, bumpers and rear cross-members must be straight=
,
have at least similar strength to the original
fitment, must not be bent to gain any advantage and shall be mounted in =
the
original position with the front and rear faces
presenting flat vertical planes.
A.13.2 Series I bumpers are 5'0" wide and lightweight bumpers must be =
more
than 4'11" wide, Series II and III bumpers are
5'3=F3" wide and Ninety/OneTen bumpers are 5'6" wide. Dimensions are min=
imum
size.
A.13.3 Rear cross-members are to be full width and not just between
chassis members.
A.13.4 Range Rover and Discovery bumpers must be of original size and
shape and have at least similar strength to those
originally fitted. They must not be bent to gain any advantage and both
bumpers shall be fitted in their original positions.
Bumper sizes and shapes may vary with the model concerned.
A.13.5 The front bumper on a Range Rover must not be less than 5'4" an=
d
the rear no less than 5'7".
A.13.6 On a Discovery, the front bumper must not be less than 5'8" an=
d
the rear no less than 5'10".
A.14 BATTERIES
Wet batteries must be fitted with anti-spillage caps. All types=
of
battery must be separated from thedriver/passenger compartment by means =
of a
bulkhead or cover, must be securely fixed and if moved from the normal p=
lace
of fitment must be adequately covered to contain any spillage in the eve=
nt
of a roll over. Covers do not have to be of metal; plastic and
wood are acceptable. If made of metal, check for proximity of terminals =
and
wiring.
A.15 CARBURETTOR SPRINGS
An additional spring shall be fitted directly to the throttle
butterfly spindle or lever on each carburettor to
close the throttle in the event of any throttle linkage failure. This rul=
e
applies, regardless of the number of springs originally
fitted by the manufacturer.
A.16 BRAKES
A.16.1 A handbrake, operable by the driver whilst wearing a seat-belt,
must be fitted.
A.16.2 Fiddle brakes (a means of operating individual wheel brakes
independently) are not allowed unless disabled to the
satisfaction of the scrutineers
A.16.3 Electronic Traction Control, ETC, (a form of automatic fiddle
brakes) is allowable only where factory fitted as
standard.
A.17 AXLE DIFFERENTIALS
Limited slip, torque-biased, locking or fixed axle differential=
s
are prohibited. Such a device fitted but disabled
is not permitted.
A.18 GEARBOXES
A.18.1 It is permitted to interchange Land Rover and Range Rover gearb=
oxes
and their component parts.
A.18.2 An operable reverse gear must be fitted.
A.18.3 An overdrive may be fitted.
A.19 RECOVERY POINTS
Adequate front and rear recovery attachments must be provided f=
or
recovery purposes in all events. Bumpers, tie-
down rings or Range Rover/Discovery "tow fittings" are not acceptable. I=
f a
tow-ball is fitted, welding alone is insufficient. A
pair of Land Rover Ltd's chassis-shackles (not spring shackles) are
recommended.
A.20 STARTER
An electrical starter in working order and operable from the
drivers seat is mandatory for all vehicles.
Section B - Standard Class Regulations
B.1 ENGINE DESCRIPTION:-
B.1.1 The engine shall be positioned at the location of the original
engine.
B.1.2 The original production standard cylinder head(s) and block sha=
ll
be used subject to paragraph B.1.3 below.
B.1.3 Alternative engines or engine parts which may be interchanged a=
re:-
Original Acceptable replacement
1.6 and 2 litre Rover 60.
2.25 litre Rover 80.
2.6 litre Any Rover P4 range.
R/Rover, Discovery and LWB V8 Any Rover Group or British Leyla=
nd
V8 aluminium
engine,regardless of capacity.
B.1.4 Non-standard carburation is allowed subject to the original num=
ber
of carburettors fitted not being exceeded and
original standard inlet manifolds are used.
B.1.5 Petrol injection and forced induction petrol engines are prohib=
ited
except where factory fitted.
B.1.6 The fitting of slide throttles and the inhibition of the firing=
of
one or more cylinders to gain advantage is
prohibited.
B.2 STEERING & AXLES
B.2.1 Series I, II, & III steering boxes and axles may be interchange=
d,
points of attachment being strengthened where
necessary. Interchanged steering gear parts must have a Land/Range Rover
part number or equivalent cross reference.
B.2.2 Power steering may be fitted to Ninety, One Ten, Range Rover an=
d
Discovery vehicles only.
B.3 SUSPENSION
B.3.1 Road springs shall be the same type as those fitted as standard=
for
the vehicle concerned. Leaf springs shall not
have less than 5 leaves. In addition, the second leaf should wrap around=
the
eye. If the springs have been rebuilt, the leaves
below the top two MUST be in proportional reducing steps to copy the
originals. "Tin foil" or "Spacer" designs are not acceptable.
101" wheelbase Forward Control Land Rovers must have at least two leaves=
on
each spring.
B.3.2 Coil assisted leaf springs (where the coil is separate from the
shock-absorber/damper) will mean that the
suspension system shall be deemed to be a coil-spring type and not a lea=
f-
spring type.
B.3.3 The narrow springs on 80" Land Rovers may be replaced with wide=
r
springs as a alternative.
B.4 BRAKES
B.4.1 The handbrake must operate on the transmission only.
B.4.2 Land Rover drum brakes may be interchanged with other Land Rove=
r
drum braking systems.
B.4.3 Land/Range Rover disc brakes may be interchanged with other
Land/Range Rover disc braking systems.
B.4.4 All Ninety/90 and One Ten/110 models, of whatever age, may use =
four
wheel disc brakes.
Section C - Special Class Regulations
C.1 STEERING
C.1.1 Power steering may be fitted.
C.1.2 Steering gear parts may be interchanged with those fitted to La=
nd
Rovers, Range Rovers, Discoveries or P5 model
Rover cars, points of attachment being strengthened where necessary.
C.2 ENGINES
C.2.1 Any Rover engines (and others with Rover part numbers) will be
eligible.
C.2.2 Non-standard carburation and manifolds are allowed.
C.2.3 Engine location and orientation is free. The forward facing pa=
rt
of any engine block (the main cast structure and
not ancillary equipment/bolted on parts) shall be forward of the midpoin=
t of
the wheelbase of the vehicle.
C.2.4 The following are prohibited:- Forced induction petrol engines;
petrol injection; slide throttles; the inhibition
of the firing of one or more cylinders to gain advantage.
C.3 TRANSMISSION
The transmission type and its location are free, provided the
vehicle is fitted with parts that have Rover part
numbers or equivalent cross references.
C.4 SUSPENSION & AXLES
C.4.1 Road springs and axle types are free (provided they have Rover =
part
numbers or equivalent cross references).
C.4.2 Independent suspension is not permitted.
C.5 BRAKES
Braking type is free. Bias braking (front to rear) is permitted=
but
the ability to alter the settings from the
driver/passenger compartment, or whilst the vehicle is being driven, is
prohibited.
C.6 CHASSIS
The chassis used shall be either modified from an original Land
Rover chassis or be of a Land Rover pattern.
Section D - General Supplementary Regulations
D.1 ENTRIES
It is recommended that the minimum entry figure for each class =
is
kept to a reasonable size, say 5, and if this is
not possible then consideration must be given to a reduction in the numb=
er
of awards in that class before deciding to amalgamate
classes. In the event that amalgamation is decided upon, then this shoul=
d be
carried out as defined in the relevant sections.
D.2 SMOKING
No smoking by vehicle occupants while competing.
D.3 MEMBERSHIP
Current membership card of an ARC member club and RAC competiti=
on
licence, when required, to be shown at signing on.
D.4 INTERCHANGE OF PASSENGERS
D.4.1 A passenger/navigator may accompany only one driver.
D.4.2 A driver may not act as a passenger/navigator for another drive=
r.
D.5 WHEELS AND TYRES
D.5.1 Spare wheels and tyres need not be carried by CCVT vehicles.
D.5.2 Babcross, Canonica or similar open block tyres may not be used.
D.6 TOWING POINTS
Towing points need not be painted in a contrasting colour.
D.7 GENERAL
D.7.1 Vehicles may be of a commercial type.
D.7.2 Only RTV trials vehicles need to be registered and taxed.
D.7.3 Only RTV trials vehicles must comply with all statutory regulat=
ions
as to construction and use and lighting.
Section E - Road Taxed Vehicle Trial Supplementary Regulations
E.1 BODYWORK
E.1.1 All vehicles must have one of the following:-
E.1.1.1 Windscreen raised, full set of hood sticks and tilt in place,
firmly secured to the bodywork.
E.1.1.2 The whole of the manufacturer's hardtop or truck cab with all
fastenings secured and all glass in position.
E.1.2 Hard tops, truck cabs, tilts and door tops must be in place. Th=
e
rear flap on a tilt may be open.
E.2 DOCUMENTATION
E.2.1 All entrants must produce a current Department of Transport Veh=
icle
Test Certificate (generally known as the MOT),
where required by law and Vehicle Excise Licence (Tax disc) or equivalen=
t
MoD documentation relating to the vehicle being entered.
E.2.2 Vehicles cannot be entered on trade plates.
E.3 TYRES
E.3.1 Vehicles must be entered on their normal road tyres, which must=
be
UK road legal for the vehicle on which they are
fitted.
Vehicles must be entered on their normal road tyres (i.e. those=
on
which they arrived at the event).
E.3.2 Range Rovers and Discoveries must use radial tyres.
E.3.3 Minimum tyre pressure to be 22 psi.
E.4 SEAT BELTS
Vehicles must have a minimum of lap strap seat belts fitted and
worn by both driver and passenger. This is to
apply even if the vehicle does not require a seat belt for use on the pu=
blic
road.
E.5 PASSENGERS
One passenger/navigator only, over the age of 14 years, allowed=
per
vehicle.
E.6 SHUNTS
Vehicles over 95" wheelbase are allowed one reverse (shunt) per
section which can be taken at the driver's
discretion after receiving marshal's consent but BEFORE coming to an
involuntary halt.
E.7 WHEELS
Vehicles may use aluminium wheels.
E.8 FIRE EXTINGUISHER
It is recommended that all competing vehicles carry a fire
extinguisher, minimum of 1.5kg BCF/Halon or BTM or
equivalent weight of FM100.
E.9 AMALGAMATIONS
The basis upon which amalgamations of classes is carried out wi=
ll
be at the discretion of the organising club (See
also D.1).
Amalgamations will be based upon a vehicle's size (See also D.1=
).
Section F - Cross Country Vehicle Trial Supp. Regulations
F.1 ROLL-OVER PROTECTION
All vehicles must be fitted with an ARC approved roll-bar or ro=
ll-
cage.
F.2 SEAT BELTS
Minimum of a lap-belt to be worn by all occupants whilst on a
section.
F.3 PASSENGERS
One passenger/navigator only, over the age of 14 years, allowed=
per
vehicle.
F.4 TYRE PRESSURES
Minimum tyre pressure is 12 psi.
F.5 SHUNTS
Vehicles over 95" wheelbase are allowed one reverse (shunt) per
section which can be taken at the driver's
discretion after receiving marshal's consent but BEFORE coming to an
involuntary halt.
F.6 FIRE EXTINGUISHER
All competing vehicles must carry a fire extinguisher, minimum =
of
1.5kg BCF/Halon or BTM or equivalent weight of FM100.
F.7 AMALGAMATIONS
The basis upon which amalgamations of classes is carried out wi=
ll
be at the discretion of the organising club (See also D.1).
Amalgamations will be based upon a vehicle's size (See also D.1=
).
Section G - Competitive Safari Supplementary Regulations
G.1 ROLL-OVER PROTECTION
All vehicles must be fitted with an ARC approved roll-cage.
G.2 SEAT BELTS
A minimum of a three-point fixing seat belt with two shoulder
straps and one abdominal strap to be worn by all occupants.
G.3 TYRE PRESSURES
Minimum tyre pressure to be 18 psi.
G.4 FIRE EXTINGUISHER
Approved fire extinguisher(s) to be carried of 2.5kg minimum to=
tal
capacity containing either BCF/Halon or BTM in
a maximum of two extinguishers operable from the driver's seat.
G.5 CRASH HELMETS
All occupants shall wear, properly positioned and fastened, a c=
rash
helmet bearing a current approval mark issued
by the RACMSA
G.6 ELECTRICAL ISOLATION
G.6.1 A circuit breaker must be fitted in order to isolate all electr=
ical
circuits in the event of an accident.
G.6.2 It must be fully accessible from both inside and outside the
vehicle and be operable from the driver's seat.
G.6.3 On saloons, the triggering system shall be to the front of the
windscreen or behind the rear window and on open
cars be on the lower main hoop of the roll-over bar. The location to be
identified by a red spark on a white-edged blue triangle.
G.7 FACE PROTECTION
The windscreen shall be raised or, if lowered or removed, a pai=
r of
close fitting goggles or visor shall be worn.
G.8 PASSENGERS
One passenger/navigator only, over the age of 16 years, allowed=
per
vehicle.
G.9 AMALGAMATIONS
G.9.1 Minimum entry size for any class to be three.
G.9.2 Amalgamations will be based on the vehicle's suspension type an=
d
then the vehicle's engine size.
G.10 MUD FLAPS
G.10.1 Mud flaps must be fitted behind the rear wheels.
G.10.2 The mud flap must not be narrower than the width of the rear wh=
eel
or tyre, whichever is wider. The lower edge of
the mud flap must be no more than 6" from the ground.
G.10.3 The centre-line of the wheel must be in line with the centre-li=
ne
of the flap.
Section H - Timed Trial Supplementary Regulations
H.1 ROLL-OVER PROTECTION
All vehicles must be fitted with an ARC approved roll-cage.
H.2 SEAT BELTS
Minimum of a lap-belt to be worn by all occupants whilst on a
section.
H.3 PASSENGERS
One passenger/navigator only, over the age of 16 years, allowed=
per
vehicle.
H.4 TYRE PRESSURES
Minimum tyre pressure to be 12 psi.
H.5 SHUNTS
Vehicles over 95" wheelbase are allowed one reverse (shunt) per
section which can be taken at the driver's
discretion after receiving marshal's consent but BEFORE coming to an
involuntary halt.
H.6 CRASH HELMETS
All occupants shall wear, properly positioned and fastened, a c=
rash
helmet bearing a current approval mark issued
by the RACMSA
H.7 AMALGAMATIONS
The basis upon which amalgamations of classes is carried out wi=
ll
be at the discretion of the organising club (See
also D.1).
Amalgamations will be based upon a vehicle's size (See also D.1=
).
Section I - Point to Point / Team Recovery Supp. Regs.
I.1 ROLL-OVER PROTECTION
All vehicles must be fitted with an ARC approved roll-cage.
I.2 TYRE PRESSURES
Minimum tyre pressure to be 18 psi on Point to Point, 12 psi on
Team Recovery.
I.3 PASSENGERS
One passenger/navigator only, over the age of 16 years, allowed=
per
vehicle.
I.4 CRASH HELMETS
All occupants shall wear, properly positioned and fastened, a c=
rash
helmet bearing a current approval mark issued
by the RACMSA.
I.5 TOW ROPES
I.5.1 Quick release mechanisms for tow ropes will not be allowed.
I.5.2 Only fibre or nylon ropes may be used.
I.5.3 Vehicles must not be connected at the start or finish.
I.6 ELECTRICAL ISOLATION
I.6.1 A circuit breaker must be fitted in order to isolate all electr=
ical
circuits in the event of an accident.
I.6.2 It must be fully accessible from both inside and outside the
vehicle and be operable from the driver's seat.
I.6.3 On saloons, the triggering system shall be to the front of the
windscreen or behind the rear window and on open
cars be on the lower main hoop of the roll-over bar. The location to be
identified by a red spark on a white-edged blue triangle.
I.7 MESH SCREENS
A full width wire mesh, 2" maximum of 10 gauge weld mesh to be
securely fitted to protect the front and rear
windscreens and the driver/passenger compartment.
I.8 FIRE EXTINGUISHER
Approved fire extinguisher(s) to be carried of 2.5kg minimum to=
tal
capacity containing either BCF/Halon or BTM in
a maximum of two extinguishers operable from the driver's seat.
I.9 SEAT BELTS
In Point to Points a minimum of a 3 point fixing safety belt wi=
th
two shoulder straps and one abdominal strap to
be worn by all occupants whilst the vehicle is in motion.
I.10 ENTRIES
Minimum entry for any class to be 3 teams.
Section J - Winch Recovery Supplementary Regulations
J.1 BRIEFING
J.1.1 Details of the course and the manner in which the recovery obje=
ct
is to be moved will be given at the start.
J.1.2 Each team will be allowed 2 attempts at the course.
J.2 TIME ALLOWED
J.2.1 Maximum time for completion and method of starting will be give=
n at
the start.
J.2.2 Competitors will be allowed to examine the course prior to the
start.
J.3 PREPARATION
J.3.1 All objects to be recovered shall have a good quality chain
attached by the Clerk of the Course.
J.3.2 If the object to be recovered is a a vehicle, then good quality
chain is to be securely attached to the front and
rear, all glass removed where possible. The steering wheel(s) may be loc=
ked
in any position and one or more wheels may be removed.
J.4 EQUIPMENT
J.4.1 All equipment, including cables, ropes, straps or webbing,
shackles, blocks, hooks, ground anchors, winches, etc.
and vehicles must be presented to the scrutineer prior to the event.
J.4.2 Only equipment passed by the Scrutineer may be used.
J.4.3 The organisers may supply certain equipment.
J.5 PERSONAL PROTECTION
It is strongly recommended that all members of the team wear
protective clothing, i.e. overalls, gloves, eye
protectors, and for competitors other than the winch operator, a crash
helmet to RACMSA specifications.
J.6 START & FINISH ARRANGEMENT
J.6.1 There will be a maximum of 2 vehicles and 3 members to each tea=
m.
J.6.2 All team members must be correctly seated in the vehicle and al=
l
equipment to be used must be in or on the vehicle
at the start and finish lines.
J.7 TEAM CAPTAIN
Each team will elect a captain who shall be responsible for kee=
ping
any scorecard(s) issued and represent the team
to the Clerk of the Course.
J.8 POSITIONING
J.8.1 Once winch vehicle and anchor vehicle have manoeuvred into posi=
tion
they must remain stationary whilst winching.
J.8.2 Natural anchorage points may be used but should be protected fr=
om
damage.
J.9 SAFETY
J.9.1 The Clerk of the Course will, at all times, observe the the eve=
nt
and may stop the team if he considers that the
mode of recovery is or is likely to prove dangerous to officials,
competitors, spectators or natural terrain.
J.9.2 He may award penalty points should any gate or previously speci=
fied
natural object be touched by either object or
team.
J.10 AWARDS
J.10.1 The team that completes the course in the shortest time with th=
e
least penalties will be classed as the winner.
J.10.2 An award will be made to each member of the winning and placed
teams.
Section K - Gymkhana Supplementary Regulations
K.1 GENERAL
K.1.1 All vehicles entered must be of Rover manufacture.
K.1.2 If a Land Rover, Range Rover or Discovery, it must comply with =
a
Trials class.
Notes
a) These rules supersede those in the 1994 ARC handbook.
b) The rules in the RACMSA Yearbook (the "Blue Book") also apply.
This document contains the ARC vehicle regulations as of Jan 1st 1995
If you need any further clarification, please contact any of the ARC
scrutineers as listed
below.
Steve Kirby 081 894 3961
Garry Chick 0634 727440
Dennis Wright 0623 515393
Norman Whiteley 0484 603564
John Hewitson 021 553 1547
Mick Gillet 0902 884407
Dave Marsh 0503 240590
Harold Carman 0928 564388
Martyn Dransfield 0924 274587
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]Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 07:49:40 -0500 From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens) Subject: LRS For Sale >From this morning's Baltimore Sun: "Landrovers '65 109" LWB, 2-dr, ex-Brit. Army, 23K original, $7,200. '56 LWB Pickup. Runs Well. Very Rare. $6,400. 301-261-5675." Chris Stevens 1969 SIIA 88" SW BCG Corporate Communications Towson, Maryland, USA (410) 583-1722 (410) 583-1935 (FAX) chrisste@Clark.net ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950304 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 08:08:35 GMT -0600 Subject: DAP Enterprises Greg Brown writes: >Also does anyone have any more info on the DAP Britsh Rovers situation? >I can not get ahold of Bruce and DAP has a message saying they are >relocating to Springfield, VT. I'd be interested in the info too. I've been dealing with Al since about '79 but have lost touch since out her in the flatland. I bought my lightweight from him--also my 4-203 Perkins--- and always had the best of service for parts . Better than any other. Of course they move to Springfield after I leave Brattleboro. Tom Rowe University of Wisconsin-Madison Center for Dairy Research 1605 Linden Dr., Madison, WI 53706 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 Home:608-243-8660 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu ------------------------------[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950304 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Boys and Girls....and unpleasant tales.... Date: Fri, 3 Mar 95 14:50:57 GMT Stephen, If you're happy enough with the rest of the engine at the price, and just want a head,you *could* try getting in touch with a firm in Leicester called Swinfield Cooper.When they rebuild an engine they fit a new head every time.I got a secondhand head for mine from there,cost me #100 cash.Depends of course whether the head is ex S11 or S111.I think the only difference is the location of the heater tap,at the back on the 11A and at the front on the 111,but check.Telephone no 0533 545657.BTW,my purchase was several years ago,so price may have gone up. An acquaintance of mine rebuilt his 11A diesel on an Arrow Services coil sprung chassis.He had some problems with them.They supplied the coiler axles and the thing failed its MOT.Steering swivels! I recently saw this vehicle on the road,towing his stock trailer with a maximum of two smallish (13.2h) ponies in it.It was well down by the stern.Didnt look happy at all.I've seen a standard 90 with a full sized horse trailer with two big hunters in and you couldnt tell if the springs were loaded or not.Its certainly not an option I'd take even if I *could* afford it.Doesnt appear to do the towing qualities a bit of good. Cheers Mike Rooth ------------------------------[ <- Message 14 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950304 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 10:25:18 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: Ads... Today's Toronto Globe and Mail has three full page ads in section C (Managing Stress) on the Land Rover. An accompaning article mentions the Toronto Area Rover Club and the Canadian Series One club and interviews list member Trevor Easton. ------------------------------[ <- Message 15 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950304 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 09:25:12 -0600 From: hiner@mail.utexas.edu (Greg Hiner) Subject: Rover Web + Info help I got this message but it looks like it really should go to the list. Greg >-------------------- Returned message follows --------------------- >Received: from MAILQUEUE by WMCU1 (Mercury 1.13); Thu, 2 Mar 95 17:19:56 GMT [ truncated by lro-digester (was 38 lines)] >John wsrjmm@cf.ac.uk >John ------------------------------[ <- Message 16 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950304 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Re: Top Gear Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 15:48:34 +0000 (GMT) From: Richard Jones <rich@apricot.co.uk> SE THOMAS writes: > They told us a story of someone who changed from his normal saloon to > a Rangie, and took the same tight corner at the same speed of 30 mph, > and he was *surprised* when it lost control! none Think the High Performance Driving Instructor they interviewed summed the problem up when he said someting to the effect, people jump into a Range Rover throw them into a tight corner, think they are out of control when they are not, and overcorrect ... Result - driver induced loss of control I was actually surprised at how little difference there was between the handling test results for the Range Rover and the S Class. Given that they layed a lot of the blame for the difference on the tyres, sounds like a Range Rover with the Avon tyres designed for the Bentley Turbo (forget the name) would have made a more interesting comparison than the Range Rover fitted with the anonymous handling kit? Rich -- _ __ Apricot Computer Limited ' ) ) / 3500 Parkside Tel: (+44) 121 717 7171 /--' o _. /_ Birmingham Business Park Fax: (+44) 121 717 0123 / \_<_(__/ <_ BIRMINGHAM B37 7YS Richard Jones United Kingdom Email: richardj@apricot.co.uk ------------------------------[ <- Message 17 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950304 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 08:33:31 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Lindsay <jnl@crl.com> Subject: help help would like to subscribe to list ------------------------------[ <- Message 18 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950304 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 09:40:50 -0800 From: jfhess@ucdavis.edu (John Hess) Subject: prices With the recent discusion of prices, here's an ad from the fri. sacramento bee: Range Rover County '91, mint, black, All opt., 18K mi $35000 369-6745 (that would be the 916 area code if you want to call) Cheaper than a $160,000 tail gate! Cheers, happy friday John Hess, PhD Phone me 916 752 8420 Dept of Human Anatomy FAX me (ask first or I may get in trouble) University of Calif Davis, CA Email me jfhess@ucdavis.edu ------------------------------[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950304 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:45:35 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: Re: prices Yet another: 1994 Defender 90, 400km. on odometer has the fibreglass roof hardtop. $30,000 + PST, GST (price in Canadian Dollars) Chap bought it in Toronto, brought it to Ottawa whereupon his wife announced she didn't like it. It is being traded in on a Discovery. Should be available at Westboro Land Rover (Otto's) in the next day or so... Another: 1966? 109 pick-up with full hardtop. In very good shape $6,500. Call Doc Watson, Wingham, Ontario (519) 357-2148 ------------------------------[ <- Message 20 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950304 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ScottFugate_Group1@ctdvns1.ctd.ornl.gov Date: Fri, 3 Mar 95 13:10:41 EST Subject: Taylor's Quest I have been following the discourse on Taylor's prospective purchase with some interest. I, myself, bought my 1970 88 sight unseen (with some brokerage help from a business associate) in Central Florida. It had been setting in the original owner's yard for some time. I flew down on a Saturday and drove it back to Knoxville, Tennessee while my extremely pregnant wife waited at home. The rear dif was slinging oil, so my friend and I took the seal off his 88 (nice guy, Carl) so I could get it home. In downtown Jacksonville, the driver side door flew open, and I had to stop and tie it shut with a piece of rag. Nevertheless, by the time I got the beast home I was hooked with terminal Roveritus. You can't imagine my relief when my wife announced that she thought it looked "pretty neat". Before I bought mine, I had never driven a Land Rover, and had only seen three or four live and in person. I just thought it would be more unique than my Jeep CJ that was setting out behind the house. The pregnancy culminated a week later with the birth of my son, who is now three. I plan to keep the Land Rover long enough for he and his little brother to enjoy it. However you approach the purchase, buying a Rover can be a life changing experience. Anyway, If Taylor is really interested in gathering info on Rovers, he (and anyone else) should pop over to Helen, GA this weekend. A group of Rover owners are coming up from Atlanta, and others are coming in from East TN and Western NC. This is a non-off-road meet intended to give folks a chance to get out of the house and have a little fun and fellowship with like minded individuals. Hennesey LR of Atlanta is supposed to bring some new vehicles up, I think. The actual event is on Sunday the 5th, starting around 9:00 am at the Batesville, General Store in Batesville, GA. Most people coming in on Saturday will be staying at the Comfort Inn in Helen. Hope to see Taylor and everybody else there! ------------------------------[ <- Message 21 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950304 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 14:00:20 -0500
From: Jimmy Patrick <jimmyp@cksp.demon.co.uk>
Subject: queen mabel
Spenny said:
>We might as well pick the bleeding
>landrover homecoming queen.
Mabel wants to be the Land Rover Homecoming Queen.
jimmy
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]From: C Taylor Sutherland III <taylors@hubcap.clemson.edu> Subject: digest Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 14:36:00 -0500 (EST) So what happened to the digest today? BTW, I think that if I don't get to drive one soon, I'm just going to have heart failure. That would, like, suck. Taylor ------------------------------[ <- Message 23 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950304 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: rmodica@east.pima.edu
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 12:48:33 MST
Subject: Bermuda Triangle LRO delivery
Dixon - My LRO must come by Bermuda Triangle Express. I knew those Pentium
chips would take their toll somewhere. I suppose it's better on my LRO then on
some space shuttle flight. The only dependable LRO is the Digest. Do you get
LRW as well? My issues seem to come about the middle of the prior month. The
March issue arrived on 2/16, the Feb issue on 1/11.
After 20 years of LR ownership I have never heard the radiator
support called the "breakfast". IRC makes sense (Thanks).
Ben - Thanks for the directions. There indeed is the Union Jack on p.185
Just a matter of adjusting the scale of the search. Looks like a nice SIII. I
was beginning to think I was daft.
My Matchbox Fire Tender arrived yesterday. A nice piece of work, although the
windows look a little strange.
Rob Modica 1951 SI 80" Hardtop 16136629
Tucson AZ 1960 SII 109 Safari SW 164000620
1994 Disco 5spd
formerly owned 1967 SIIA 88" 24420297B Anyone seen it?
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]Date: Fri, 3 Mar 95 10:04:33 AKS From: abalser@salrm.alaska.edu (Andrew Balser) Subject: vacuum leak? I have had a tough time tuning my ex-mil. Ser III 109 since last June, and I think it may have started as a result of a couple, fairly rough, overland trips (one to Prudhoe Bay, the other to McCarthy) that I took last May. For reasons that I will not explain here, as the logic is convoluted, though sound, I strongly suspect that the reason I can't get the popping out of the exhaust, that it's sucking more gas than it really ought to, and that the hydrocarbons are a bit high,(although within emissions spec), is due a vacuum leak caused by the incessant jarring on these two trips. Does anyone have an idea what piece of what component I should suspect first, assuming my hypothesis about jarring as the cause is correct. I wouldn't mind mucking around with it for a few hours normally, but it is still sort of chilly up here, (anywhere from -20F to 10F), and besides, I'm strapped for time as always. It's a 2.25 petrol, of course, with a zenith carb, ser III brake booster, and a! vacuum advance on the distributor but none of that funky pcv valve they put on some of the late north american ones I've seen. Anyone? -Andrew Balser ------------------------------[ <- Message 25 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950304 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 95 12:05:34 PST From: grea@virgo.net.gov.bc.ca (Gordon Rea 660-0216 (NTO Vanc.)) Subject: Warn Hub Parts -A week or so ago I posted a plea for a Warn hub part. I recieved a couple of replies , however due to an unfourtunate sequence of keystrokes ( no doubt caused by ZnO2 induced brain damage ) I managed to deleate my inbox before I was able to reply back. Please excuse me as I try this again. The part I'm looking for is the round plate you turn to set your hubs from "FREE" to "LOCK". Thanks, Gordon ------------------------------[ <- Message 26 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950304 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: UncleBrad@aol.com Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 15:22:03 -0500 Subject: 3 LRs for sale in CA In response to David Brown's request, I know of a few Land Rovers for sale here in CA that aren't being advertised; -109 pickup with new soft top. $8,500(?). It has been gone through and looks real nice. Looks military, but isn't really. Has clean Chevy 6 conversion. Steve Hill- 916-686-0715. -109 2-door hard top. $3,000-$5,000. Had been sitting a lon time in Berkely when these folks bought it. They did a lot of clean up work on it & got it going again. Has solid frame, but some surface rust from sitting around. Good upholstery. Body straight but boy, does it need paint. Stock 4cyl engine. Eric & Anne Mills- 510-827-1994. - 88 pickup. Series 2. $2,500-$3,500(?). Straight body & frame. Interior in good shape, but yellow. Needs paint. Engine runs strong. Needs some minor mechanical work. Scotty- 510-686-2255. ------------------------------[ <- Message 27 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950304 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 16:25:53 -0500
From: berg@acf2.NYU.EDU (Jeff Berg)
Subject: Rover Extreme
Another Rover on TV sighting:
Last night while tuning in to the "regular time slot premiere" of Extreme I
couldn't help but notice that the "aging mountain bike racer with something
to prove" character was tooling about the mountains in a white Defender 90.
I was especially heartened to note that during the course of the show he
managed to *have a relationship with* the *attractive young lady* who was
the reason I tuned in to begin with. (I was drawn to the show from her
appearance in the "watch this after the Super Bowl" promo. Perhaps there's
hope for me yet! ;-}
Major inaccuracy in the story though. In the end this guy dumps the *ATL*
without even bothering to say goodbye. Based on my exprience, no Rover
owner I know would have dreamed of letting this one go...
I have a suspicion we'll be seeing more Defenders on this show. If you
tune in please remember I'm not recommending it for the plot or dialogue.
Regards.
JAB
== ==
Jeffrey A. Berg Interactive Telecommunications Program
Technical Administrator New York University
berg@acf2.nyu.edu
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My garden is full of papayas and mangos.
My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
Taste for the good life.
I can see it no other way.
--Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version)
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From: taylors@hubcap.clemson.edu (C. Taylor Sutherland, III)
Subject: Real investigation.
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 95 16:15:40
Well, I guess I wanted to be REALLY damn educated about something I was going
to keep for a long time. As for specific questions, I've run out of them.
About library, my library here is huge, and the listings should tell me about
anything having to do with lr's but sadly they don't otherwise, I would have
borrowed every last one of them. I've gotten two books, and I may get one
more. There is a guy coming down to see his g/f tomorrow (Sat.) and he is
going to stop by my place to give me a ride in his 64 IIA. I'm looking
forward to it. I spent all last saturday riding around in the mountains of NC
looking for Harrells in Waynesville and found it. He had a really nice III
but it was locked up so the only one I saw was a 109" (?) I PU. Nice but I
like the III. There were a bunch of II's and IIa's but they were all in the
junk yard in back and not on their best display. He did have an over supply
of hardtops I might be able to buy if I ever decide to get one. I came back
by Greenville, SC to the dealer and looked around at the II 88". It was in
pretty bad shape, I don't even think it was driveable, so it too wasn't on
its best show. I sat in it (with the crappy seats) and I liked it. Real
seats would have been nice but I did like it. The III that was in NC behind a
dirty glass window looked awesome. I can't wait to get in one that actually
moves. I'm sure that as soon as I do, I will be too far down the path of
temptation to turn back. So I'm sorry, but this was the best way to get a lot
of real opinions and not just propaganda that I would get from a book.
While all of these questions have been going on, I've been in touch with
Leslie adding and trimming my list. She just gave me a price. No I'm not
telling. :) I gave her what I think was my final request for what I wanted
on it. She's going to itemize it to the best of her knowledge, and then I am
probably going to buy it. So, guys, just give me a minute! I will suprise
you yet!
Taylor, always begging for knowledge.
BTW, when I ask vague questions, I get vague answers but they are better than
no answers at all. Thanks for putting up with me. And I'm sorry I didn't go
the preferred route of buying a broken one and fixing it myself. If that is
the norm, did people sign to buy from a dealer only after the dealer
demolished it so that the buyer could have the satisfaction of putting it back
together? What's wrong with wanting to get it right the first time? Nothing.
And that's what I'm going to say next, nothing...
--
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of Mordor, where the Shadows lie.
<-> C. Taylor Sutherland, III <->
<-> IRC Nick: NIV <-> taylors@hubcap.clemson.edu <->
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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 16:39:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: LRO Special: Updates on List stuff
Summary of survey thus far, a quick and dirty sort...
Just the clubs, I'll get to the number of Land Rovers this
evening or tomorrow. There are thirty-five clubs listed. (The
network here is down, why else do this? :-))
The largest is the Land Rover Owners Association (NA) (21 members)
Second place goes to the Ottawa Valley Land Rovers club (13 members)
Third place to the Rover Owners of Virginia (6 members)
Fourth place to the Bay State Rover Owners Accosiation (5 members)
I note that some people didn't put down all multiple affiliations,
so above totals will actually be higher.
Clubs represented Number of members
+ 101 Forward Control Club and Register 1
+ 4 Wheel Drive Club of Southern Africa 1
+ A.R.C. 2
+ BMWCCA 1
+ Bay State Rover Owners Assocation (BSROA) 5
+ Blue Ridge Land Rover 2
+ Canadian Owner Of LandRovers {C.O.O.L.} 1
+ Cheshire and Lancs 1
+ Co-Founder of the Charlotte LRO Club 1
+ Cumbria Rover Owners Club 1
+ GLAMORGAN OFFROAD CLUB 1
+ Land Rover Owners Assocation, North America 21
+ Land Rover Owners Club of Gippsland 1
+ Land Rover Owners Club of Victoria 2
+ Land Rover Owners' Club if Hessen (Chairman) 1
+ Land-Rover Register of South Australia 1
+ Lea Valley Land Rover Owners Club 1
+ Liverpool Land Rover Club 1
+ NATAL LRO CLUB 1
+ NLRK (Norsk Land-Rover Klubb) 2
+ Ottawa Valley Land Rovers (OVLR) 13
+ Pacific Coast Rover Club (PCRC) 4
+ Pennine LRC 2
+ Prairie Rovers 2
+ Rover Owners Asso. of Virginia (ROAV) 6
+ Range Rover Register 2
+ Rover Landers of British Columbia 1
+ Roverlanders 1
+ Scottish Land Rover Owners Club 3
+ Series I Club 2
+ Series II Club 1
+ Solihull Society 3
+ Toronta Area Rover Club (TARC) 2
+ Yankee Rover Club 3
+ Yorkshire Rover Owners. 1
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]Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:53:39 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com> Subject: Re: re: Jeeps are Crap in the snow. > Landrovers typically are 1-2 inches worse for diff clearance than the > opposition. It is their weak point. Big diffs -> low clearance Bu LR's have offset diffs. This gives you a lot more room to let stuff pass under you. That is, instead of [==O==] you have [=O===]. Does the competition have this? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California ------------------------------[ <- Message 31 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950304 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:53:35 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Dave Brown's notsoFAQ's
Q. Do you have to turn the crank the opposite direction if you're south
of the equator?
A. No. The only modification needed for travel in the southern hemisphere
is to fit the counter-plugs for the oil filler holes. These plugs
screw in counter-clockwise, and are required to prevent the dreaded
"coreolis" effect, which would cause normal plugs to unscrew themselves
as you drive.
Q. How do I rotate the taillight oil?
A. Taillights don't require oil, of course. What they need immediately
after purchase, or after deep wading, is a thick coating of dust and
mud. This keeps the light inside the taillight assembly, where it is
stored, allowing the unit to function virtually forever. This coating
should never be washed off. It is a part of the unit, much like the
aging of fine leather.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California
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]From: Kelly Minnick <minnick@joker.chinalake.navy.mil> Subject: Misc Date: Fri, 3 Mar 95 13:55:44 PST RE:Misc Ramblings I have some misc. ramblings, so here goes: 1. Axle straps. My friends' CJ doesn't have them but should. He has broken numerous shocks and shock mounts off of his axle housing. Would not this be the same case for the Rovers? I have rebuilt my vehicle from the ground up. since I just had a bare frame with axles attached, the springs were painted in a position that left the vehicle *pumped* up. I could not attach the front shocks until everything was mounted and I jumped up and down on the frame many times. They now barely fit. Also, the LR axle straps will not go on. I will have to wait until the rear springs settle back down. This comment about the springs keeping the axles/shocks from extending too far is therefore not correct! I think you will bust shocks! 2. Does not the 101 FC have the springs mounted on top of the axles? Seems the axle housings could be modified to allow the springs on top of the housing. I'm not sure I would want to be that high, though. I would prefer extending the spring shackles so that I could go back to stock if I wanted... 3. Open diffs. Wish LR came with the option for air/vacuum locking diffs. These really are hard to drive with in the snow. If you ar going in a straight line, you are ok. Remember the posi you had in High school with the 400 hp chevy motor. Punch it turning a corner and you'd do a 360? Now picture this on ice or snow... Get the point? Open diffs can be forgiving on ice! Kelly Minnick '73 88" Safari Ridgecrest, CA ------------------------------[ <- Message 33 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950304 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 03 Mar 95 16:59:56 EST From: ritter mark c <70472.1130@compuserve.com> Subject: Disco Modifications I am trying to get information on modifications to my Discovery. In particular I am interested in mounting a winch ( not the $2100 rover winch), and using some steel wheels to run some more serious mud terrain tires. I am also interested in installing a locking rear diff. I would like to hear from some other Disco owners as to what works. Thanks. ------------------------------[ <- Message 34 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950304 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: taylors@hubcap.clemson.edu (C. Taylor Sutherland, III)
Subject: Reply to Sinasohn
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 95 17:28:47
(at Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:54:13 -0800)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 95 17:16:23
Organization: Clemson University Atmospheric Sciences
> Sorry to take so long to reply... I still have the same 109". My
That's alright. At least it was a reply and not a slam for asking a question
in the first place. I've been getting a lot of those lately. What they don't
know is that I'm this close to putting a down payment on one. I'm about to
get a drive in a IIA tomorrow. I know I'm just gonna love it.
> than a $20. An 88" is also likely to get better gas mileage. You have to
none
less than a $20? pretty bad.. :-)
> mercruiser engine that everyone's on about might be the best bet. For
Yeah, but they are so rare in the UK, which is where I'm getting it from.
> Keep in mind that they are like tinker-toys; you can make changes as you go
> and when you find something you don't like.
That I'm looking forward to.
--
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of Mordor, where the Shadows lie.
<-> C. Taylor Sutherland, III <->
<-> IRC Nick: NIV <-> taylors@hubcap.clemson.edu <->
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One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of Mordor, where the Shadows lie.
<-> C. Taylor Sutherland, III <->
<-> IRC Nick: NIV <-> taylors@hubcap.clemson.edu <->
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]Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 15:11:09 -0800 (PST) From: "walter c. swain (wcswain@wheel.ucdavis.edu)" <wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us> Subject: LROs For Sale I called the fellow in northern California with the 1964 LR Pickup, 122K miles and more or less original, in running condition. He's asking $7,500: 'It's rare' I'd be interested in finding out how much he actually gets for it. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Walter C. Swain | 1967 109 IIA Safari, petrol Davis Community Network | ------------------------------[ <- Message 36 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950304 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 95 20:11:18 EST From: robdav@sunshine.vab.paramax.com (Robert Davis) Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest Hello everyone: Really miss the net. Sandy keeps me up on a few things now and again. The conversion is finshed and just put the 3.9 diffs in this weekend and monday night. Drives like a dream. Pleanty of power on and for those of you who said marine cams were not suitable - off road too. I had a front driveshafy made and it provides pleanty of clearance at the starter (just above it). Sorry i meant to type driveshaft! anywat the final specs are: 125 ft lbs torque @ 2100 rpm, 177 ft lbs torque @ 3100 rpm and 140 hp. Very quiet with the 3.9 from a 65 and 66 P-5 auto. I have been told that 3.54 (Range Rover) diffs are too tall for the 3.0 liter. I may try it because i've had to give up the salisbury. My friend Ron just shipped me a 109 six cyl (1966). Just my luck. I wanted something for towing and sent my friend Ron some $$ to get a six with more power and he gets the six on the boat the same week that I finish mine! Anyone want a 109 six cyl 5 door! Rool bars are in the mill. Having five made 3 are spoken for! Anyone need one. Good Luck all ! Tread lightly and happy motoring R&D ------------------------------[ <- Message 37 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950304 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: JDolan2109@aol.com Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 00:39:13 -0500 Subject: 'Ye olde axe' The talk of how long Rovers last reminds me of the story of "My great-grandfathers axe" -- Its been a very good axe. We replaced 6 handles and 2 heads, but it is still the very best axe!! See ya' on the old road... Jim 61 88" SW / 1 Bbl weber, OD & 16's (econobox?) LR... The absolute best vehicle in the world at 5 hrs/mile!! ------------------------------[ <- Message 38 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950304 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: JDolan2109@aol.com Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 00:39:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Cold(?) Start up & weber Greg- Have the weber 1 Bbl here too. On cold mornings ( 0 F and below-like tomorrow) it will often 'sneeze' or make a sound like 'bloomp' and quit. Sounds are at the carb. Symptoms are very similar to yours. My plan of attack is to wait till warmer weather and then fix it. You might try that - it worked quite well for me last winter! Some thoughts: Is this a recent conversion? I ask this because the 'throw' of the weber is opposite to that of the Solex (I think thats the one I want). (I feel like the boy who cried "wolf". (RH & LH fans & cranks)). But there are two different coil springs (fig 3.23, #47 -Torsion spring for bell crank, pg 52, 1978 Haynes), one for each application. Clockwise and counterclockwise. Honest. If a hybrid linkage was created by using the wrong spring, and that wrong spring is gunked, those conditions and temperature could be a factor. If you have problems with the return, have a knowledgeable friend look at the linkage. I have the wrong spring on mine (and yes I did it, bless those little brown bottles!). I was over to visit Rich Ziegler and asked to borrow a 'grippy, bender type tool.' "Why?" was the response. I showed him where I wanted to rebend the end of the spring because it was about to exit its securing hole. "Well, thats the wrong spring..." Ok, forget the tool. Educuation never ends. Bonnet closes. Now, I have to find the box with linkage parts in it. Another thing you might check is the jet that is at the top on the valve cover side. I have found this blocked. Don't loose the O-ring. It will probably stay in, but..! I carefully cleaned it (jet) with a single wire from a wire brush and by blowing through it. Weber doesn't advise any reaming activity, but the wire was much smaller than the opening and I was careful and it worked. No vigorous activity! And don't swallow the damn thing!! You might also try closing the choke at night when you park it. Then for your cold start, open the choke a bit. See if this helps. I have a Volvo P1800 with a weber DGV on it and this works very well. There might be some evaporation activity at shut down, followed by a pressure lock at start up. Who knows? I doubt the problem is icing or improper atomisation in your clime. By the time you get the problem solved it might be warm enough that maybe it just went away. Does anyone know of a manual that covers the 1 Bbl Webers? The only book I have covers only the 'deuces.' (I think that's a Haynes as well. Its outside in a vehicle under snow...) See ya' on the old road... Jim 61 88" SW / 1Bbl weber, OD & 16's (econobox?) LR...quite possibly one of the best machines yet devised ------------------------------[ <- Message 39 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 950304 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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