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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: 90s worst offroad failing?
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 08:59:46 UNDEFINED

/Shortly thereafter the river disappeared.  So we figured backtracking was the 
/most acceptable solution, and made for home.  I had to keep up some speed 
/inthe sand river, and at one point there was a pretty serious thud.  Back on 
/the dirt track I got out and saw what the problem was--I had bashed the tie 
/rods, and the front wheels were now both pointing outward.  Kind of like the 
/reverse of being pigeon-toed.

I have done this twice. Once on a stump in long grass, adn the other time 
parking on a verge when a buried rock spun up under the weight adn clobbered 
the rod.
For a vehicle supposed to do serious offroad work, the 90 (and other coily 
LRs) has these rods in just about the most exposed position they could be. God 
knows what idiot 'designer' put em there!

I now have a bashbar in front of em. Dont even THINK of going offroad in a 
coily without one.

The Series' did at least get quite good protection from the leaf 
springs..........

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Best Rover? (how to start a fight?)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 09:08:38 UNDEFINED

/For ultimate off-road ability (backwoods repairability notwithstanding) a
/Defender 90 (I want one!!)

Offroad triallers here prefer doing up old Series 1s. Smaller adn lighter. The 
proof of the pudding is in the eating.  1 3/4 tons is just too heavy for 
ultimate offroad abiity. 

Landrovers have got progressively heavier adn more cumbersome thru their 
development. I remember the hilarious blustering in LRO and other 
landrover-obsessed mags when the Suzi FJ410 first came out. There would be 
cracks like 'now you can get a towbar for you FJ, so now you CAN pull the skin 
off a rice pudding". After a few months these cracks went quiet, when it was 
noticed how the Suzis were pasting Landrovers in trials - they just skimmed 
disdainfully past sunk Landovers..........

If I was going onto hard hobbyist offroad, I'd probably get a Suzi. You can 
pretty much lift em out of trouble with a couple of freinds.

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Subject: please check that submissions are addressed to 'lro@team.net'
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 95 08:23:58 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

Subject: Re: foaming agents
------- Forwarded Message
Date: 16 Feb 95 00:13:58 EST
From: "Alan M. Murphy" <74243.1133@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <950216051358_74243.1133_BHR71-1@CompuServe.COM>

	**WARNING** PO may be Present, not Past!

	The "Great Stuff" type foams (a formaldahyde-releasing product)
adhere _very_ permanently to any clean surface.  They do not spread
easily into small crevices (say, less than 1 inch) and instead exert
a lot of pressure into becoming more "spherical" in shape.  This 
pressure can bend or bow adjoining panels!  It is very messy, and
will not readily spread across a flat area; its working life is
short (a few minutes and texture changes) but it continues to expand
for about 30 minutes.  It becomes crusty and dusty with exposure to
sunlight or high heat.  It can be sanded or rasped away when dry,
but don't expect much of a "finish," or a solid substrate for much
else.  It is OK stuff for fixing sloppy work on super air-tight
house construction, and might make good flotation on small boats,
but I'd think twice about using it on a LR.  At least play around
with a can or two and some scrap wood/steel/alum. and see for 
yourself.  And wear protective gloves!!
	Alan Murphy  74243.1133@compuserve.com

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From: Mr Ian Stuart <IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 12:05:46 +0000
Subject: Question about DI petrol engines..

I realise that this is not a *specific* LR question, but it does relate to 
engines, so if you'll indulge me:

A friend and I have a disagreement about fuel injected petrol engines..

He says that they don't use spark plugs and I say that they do - is he 
right?

I know that *diesels* use compression to ignite the fuel (and use glow
plugs to preheat the fuel until the engine is running), but I thought
that petrol injection was used to improve the fuel efficiency by more
efficient delivery and improved fuel/air mixing.

Are there any petrol engines that don't use spark plugs (once their 
running..)?

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
WWW sites: Work -- <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/>      
           Play -- <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>
#======================================================================#
To men, a hobby is making something or taking something to pieces.
At the very least, it involves rolling in mud & the possibility of
   fracturing a bone.                                  "She" Magazine

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Date: 16 Feb 95 08:57:42 EST
From: Pierce Reid <70004.4011@compuserve.com>
Subject: D-90performance

My Rovers North "Late Model Accessories" catalog just came in and they are
selling Camel Trophy/Paris Dakar engines, brand new... yes, they are about
$4k.for the shortblock, but it got me to thinking...

Does anyone still carry performance parts for the old Buick 283, on which the
L.R. V8's are based?  Long throw cranks?  Cams?  Dare I ask, Superchargers??  

Really just a mental exercise, I am not likely to tear into a new D90 any time
soon, but I bet that V8 would run great with a 350 CFM Holly 4bbl, edelbrock
manifold, crane cam and punched out to about 350 Cu inches.  And it would be
infinitely more repairable!

Anyone want to brainstorm on this one?

Cheers, 

R. P. Reid

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Date: 16 Feb 95 09:33:42 EST
From: Pierce Reid <70004.4011@compuserve.com>
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown

Adam:

Try Rovers North in Vermont.

(U.S) area code 802-879-0032.  They do safari prep and send vehicles all over
the world, so if a Disco skid plate is available, they'll find it for you.

Given the conditions, how come a Disco, not a Defender or a 110 Wagon?  Just
wondering, they're all great, but I wondered what factors you took into account.

Cheers, 

R. Pierce Reid
'62 IIa 88 Military
(soon) D90

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From: llevitt@idcresearch.com
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 95 09:56:13 EST
Subject: LR marketing

Gerry Mugele writes: 

> The real problem is the damn Marketing cruds at Land Rover North America that
> are playing up the Status angle...and successfully getting market share by
> charging too much. 

Uh, well, as a marketing guy I have to take you to task for this comment. IMCO, 
LR has built an enviable brand position with the Range Rover and is now 
leveraging that investment with reasonably priced products (for the most part)

1. Discovery - a great deal, beats the pants off *everything* else on the 
market, except its big brother. (Explorer - nah, GC -phfooey, Cruiser - getting 
there, but its $10-15K more expensive)

2. Range Rover (classic) - what else you gonna buy? A Cruiser? No class, no 
guts, no glory (no oil dripping <g>)

3. Range Rover (new) - what price perfection?

4. D 90 - a little pricey, I'd like to see it in the low $20s, but it ain't my 
shop.

So here's the bottom line. For us LR newcomers, the product offerings don't seem
unreasonable. And keep in mind that if the boys at Solihull *don't* turn a 
profit every couple of years the company simply won't be around. Then what would
you do?

Now if I were driving a '69 Volvo 140, bought new for $2,100 and kept on the 
road for the last 20 odd years with periodic infusions of oil and cash, I might 
be a little surprised at the pricing of the new Volvos, at 10 to 15 times the 
cost of the 140. But hey, that's life.

Different strokes for different folks.

Lee Levitt
llevitt@idcresearch.com

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From: Geir Harris Hedemark <geirhe@ifi.uio.no>
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 16:23:34 +0100
Subject: Bleeding LR Brakes and Clutch

>From: Guy Arnold <GUY@facade.adm.clarkson.edu> 

>On my recent overhaul with rebuilt master cyclinders and wheel
>cyclinders I am having trouble getting all the air out of the system.
>Is the answer alot of patience and try,try again? Any hints would be
>appreciated.

Basically, yes. I have a SIII 109" SW, and had the same problems last
june. I solved the problem by getting help from a friend. He sat in
the car, pumping the brake pedal as fast as possible while I refilled
the reservoir as it emptied. I had already put a hose from the bleed
nipple to a container. We used 3/4l of brake fluid on each front wheel
and 1/2l for both rear wheels. That was probably much more than we
needed to use, but we didn't want to have to repeat the whole
procedure.

If you can just get enough pressure into the system, you will get the
air out. Keep pumping the pedal while someone closes the bleed nipple
- and don't allow the reservoir level to drop too much, or you'll have
to start all over again. :)

Geir

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From: Geir Harris Hedemark <geirhe@ifi.uio.no>
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 16:29:14 +0100
Subject: Re: throttle

>From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>

>Foolish me I just assumed hand throttles came as standard equipment on all
>Land Rovers in NADA.  I guess they didn't make the transistion to those new
>fangled series III rigs.

The SIII 2.25l diesel models at least had (have, I mean. :) a hand
throttle.

Geir

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From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@qvarsx.er.usgs.gov>
Subject: Re: Question about DI petrol engines..
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 07:35:39 -0800 (PST)

> I realise that this is not a *specific* LR question, but it does relate to 
> engines, so if you'll indulge me:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> He says that they don't use spark plugs and I say that they do - is he 
> right?

Of course they do.  A petrol engine is a petrol engine.  Just the 
delivery method has changed, not the underlying conditions and theory.

Walter Swain      1967 IIA 109 Safari SW: 'SNOT-A-NADA
Davis, CA  USA              or maybe 
                  1967 IIA 109 Safari SW: 'SNOT-A-HEEP

With appoligies to Steve Denis and all the NOTAJEEPs

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Date: Thu, 16 Feb 95 09:40:31 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: U.K. parts details

In message <Pine.SUN.3.91.950215151654.2540A-100000@biocon.Berkeley.EDU> Morgan 
Hannaford writes:
> TeriAnn,
> Through the grape-vine, and asking you about your gas tank, I
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 23 lines)]
> Cheers, and thanks in advance.
> Morgan

Morgan,
I was in London on a business trip, had a few days extra and flew to Liverpool 
to visit Merseyside Land Rover services.  I wanted to see the orginazation & get
a feel for how things worked.  While I was there I ordered: complete factory 
weather striping, both drive shafts, a front wing side (You might have noticed a
lot of bondo on mine), a under seat petrol tank, a rear petrol tank, new air 
cleaner hose and some odds & ends.  It cost me just under 600 pounds including 
shipping.  Thats about the price a rear tank and rear drive shaft would have 
cost from Rovers North.  The stuff was shipped air freight.  I got a call from a
freight forwarder.  I had to go to the forwarder, pay them $40 cash, pick up 
some papers, go to the company who transported the stuff get more papers, go to 
customs, pay 3% import duty, get papers stamped, go back to the carrier & 
collect the goods.  It took about 3 hours.

The second time I made an order, I got new master clutch and brake cylinders, a 
new side curtain for the drivers door.  I paid by credit card and had it shipped
UPS.  The credit card company takes care of the currency exchange for you, UPS 
takes care of of the customs for you and delivers to your door stop.  

Tips:

UPS shipments from Europe are blue label only.  So you get the part in two or 
three days, about half the time of getting ground shipments from the Eastern US.
They take care of customs & you do not need to run down to the Airport.

Air freight is cheaper, takes a lot longer, add $40 plus 3% plus gas to the 
shipping price for a compairison with UPS.

The more parts you purchase at one time the more money you save.  ie, shipping 2
parts in a box does not cost near as much as shipping  2 parts individually & so
on.

Deal with then over FAX.  They may have problems with your accent, you may get 
lost in a heavy Scottish accent.  If its in writing there is less chances of 
things going wrong.  You can FAX them for current parts availability & price.

The parts I recieved were genuine LR or OEM except for the petrol tank.

Due to shipping costs, its often easier to write off a bad or wrong part than to
pay to ship it back to get it replaced.  That kind of thing is easier to deal 
with with a local company.

Use a credit card in dealing with companys in different currency areas.  The 
credit card company deals with the currency exchange.  If you send them a check,
you need to find a place that issues checks in other currencies.  This can be a 
pain.

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step 1 send a FAX itemizing what you want.  Ask for return FAX with 
availablility including price delivered.

step 2. send FAX with actual order and credit card number.

step 3
 if UPS
   wait for parts to show up on your door step
 else
   You will get FAX telling you parts have been shipped and name of
   carrier
   You will get contacted by a freight forwarder when the stuff arrives     
    collect papers pay customs procedure
 end if

Step 4 put parts on car

----------------
I'm planning some UK purchases in the early summer time frame...assuming Jim is 
tired of looking at my Land Rover by then.

I was thinking of ordering parts from a couple of places.

>From Bat Fastard, I was thinking of a new interior, including center council to 
replace the center seat and high seat backs with built in head rest.  He also 
has spoke wheels at a good price and mine are bent.

>From Merseyside, I was thinking of a complete new back door, with hinges seals &
everything but no rear tyre mount.  I also wanted to order a complete set of 
brake wheel cylinders, and shoes and the rubber flex hoses that fit at each end 
of the brake system.  new wiper arms & blades, two new filler hoses for the 
under seat petrol tanks (mine are old & cracked.  One leaks a little if 
overfilled)

Things on my shopping list that I have not decided where to purchase them from 
yet:

New wiring harness
Military rear bumpers
4 aluminum sand ladders
snorkle kit

My Land Rover is in line behind my TR3 to get fixed up.  The TR3 is in the paint
shop now.  When it comes out I will have most of her rebuild expenses paid and 
can start in on the Green Rover.

I'll start off by doing some custom work on the hard top, replacing the bent 
panels on the front left wing, install my rear petrol tank, replace all the 
brakek system behind the master cylinder, modify the rear frame member so I can 
use a high lift jack at the rear corners & fit military style bumpers, install 
the rear door, and snorkle kit

When the basic body work is done I will get her painted inside & out.  Then I 
can put on the new weather stripping interior stuff, the exterior sun visor & 
other do dads.

I think I can do it in such a way as to keep her on the road except for a 
weekend or two replacing the brake system, a couple of weekends on the wire 
harness and the time at the paint shop.

I hope to end up with the kind of Land Rover Dixon hates, undented and 
completely painted...at least until the environment starts trying to scratch the
paint off.

I still have not completly decided on a colour.  I like the "forest" she mostly 
is now, but Bronze green os a possibility and the nicest colour I have seen on a
Land Rover is a light gray that was on a Land Rover that was a Scottys several 
months ago.  Unfortunatly, i'm afraid that colour would make the Land Rover hard
to see in a fog & I see a lot of fog

If you decide to order from Merseyside far enough in the future (like May or 
Juneish), I might go in with you on the order.

Take care

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
              
                         
                       

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Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 18:47:57 +0200 (METDST)
From: S|ren Vels Christensen <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
Subject: SIGN (response)

WOW!

What a response. People didn't flame me for putting a lump through the wire.
Just friendly advise. Granville: we managed to get people out of the 
armchair. A few also suggested modifications. Dixon's spare wheel on the
bonnet is obvious, -should have thought of that. Bill, -blowing up the oval
and removing the letters won't get us further away from a license claim. 

Reproduction: For an experiment i whitened the camel coloured background and
printed on the laser. Not bad if you don't stick your nose into the print.
If reproduced on film or cloth it won't have this newspaperlike reolution of
my HP 4L.

Due to Bill's concern about copyrights i replaced the Landy logo. At first
with two crossed crankhandles. That didn't look right so i replaced one 
crankhandle with a piece of broken electric wire with sparks. Looked a bit
silly so i made a compass rose with a globe in the middle. I consider us 
all to be electronic circum navigators. I'm of course open to suggestions
for replacements of the compass rose. But i draw the line at nude starlets.

	BTW, did i mention that i'm in the market for a water cooled mouse?

I'm also looking forward to see Bill's oval.

Lloyd Allison agreed to receive a UU'd copy for the web. And David Brown
suggested that i uploaded to gate.srp.gov//pub but i'm stuck with Gopher.
When i tried to "put" the file landed in my own directory with some tilde's
added to it.

I propably won't have the mods ready 'til after the weekend since i'm still
struggling with the bloody exhaust. Now it's the first pipe. The idiot i
bought the car from seems to have lost one of the brass nuts and put a 
steel one on instead...

It seems like this sign thing is becoming a community project. 

Later

sv/aurens

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From: TIMAURAND@aol.com
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 13:32:50 -0500
Subject: Ranger Rover Insight

I'm contemplating purchasing a 95 Range Rover.  Any insight available from
the newsgroup?  (Pros, cons, prices, etc.)

timaurand@aol.com

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From: "John R. Benham" <BENHAM@WFOCLAN.USBM.GOV>
Date:          Thu, 16 Feb 1995 10:38:12 +1100
Subject:       Rovers in Nat. Geo. Mag

Dear LRO's,

    I'm reading a book called `Cry of the Kalahari' by Mark and Delia 
Owens.  While reading, I remembered a story featuring them in an older 
National Geographic Magazine.  So I started to peruse through our 
collection.  I didn't found their article, but did find some
interesting articles on Botswana and other countries in Africa 
having Rover photos.  I will share them with you:

    1. December, 1990: Botswana, Okavango Delta, p. 52 features a 
large cab forward - almost looking like it is articulated!  It's been 
modified for tourists.  Here they are looking at giraffes.

    2. May, 1986: The Serengeti, p. 591 shows a yellow 109 pickup 
with soft top hoops - back filled with native poachers.  Caption sez 
that "Tanzania's antipoaching campaign lacks funds to fix and replace 
patrol vehicles"!  I don't know, but this Rover looks a lot better 
than most I've seen here in the US!

    There are of course many other photos of Rovers in the National 
Geographic.  If it is of any interest to anyone, I will continue to 
post more findings.

Later,

John R. Benham
Spokane, WA  USA
1968 IIA, 88 `Bwana Mobile'

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Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 13:41:45 EST
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: Lightweights

Pierce Reid writes:

> There is a gut up near Cleveland (Bob Stall) who has a gorgeous > lightweight....

Do you mean Robert Stull?  His lightweight took the "most functional" award
at the Mid-Atlantic Rover rally...and rightly so.  I think that categories
like "most functional" (or "biggest winch" for that matter) are far more
suited to Land Rovers than "peoples' choice" where the best paint job
always wins.   A few years ago, some bloke got the 'choice' award at the
Atlantic British event.  You could comb your hair in the reflection off the
frame rails...but when it came to four wheelin', he rode with someone else.

    *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----*
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Date: Thu, 16 Feb 95 10:58:50 PST
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re:  Ranger Rover Insight

Lucky lad -- go right ahead!

John Brabyn
89RR

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Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 13:42:05 -0600
From: hiner@mail.utexas.edu (Greg Hiner)
Subject: Land Rover 2.6 liter 6 cylinder

Please direct all inquiries to the phone number below-

Rover 6 cylinder 2.6 liter engine for sale
from 1967 109
engine is British issue not NADA
150,000 + miles
ring job 40,000 miles ago
$300 or best offer
For more info call Steve Neil (415) 681-9415

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Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 20:10:22 +0100
From: caloccia@team.net (Bill Caloccia)
Subject: Re: U.K. parts details

Re: Merseyside:
> They may have problems with your accent, you may get
> lost in a heavy Scottish accent.  If its in writing there is less chances of
> things going wrong.  You can FAX them for current parts availability & price.

Scottish ?  Um. NOT !

Well, there may be a scot there, but more likely you got a heavy liverpudian
accent or a just a nice 'rich' Lancs. accent.   I do agree with terri ann
in that written faxes are much easier than phoning (at least that was my
experience before leaving the states).

There is one Scottish accent that is a bit rough, but in general, I find the
various Scottish dialects to be much more flowing and pleasing to the ear
(like some of the Irish accents) than the accents from brimingham, and
liverpool/manchester.  The surrounding Lancs. and further east Yorks. accents
took me quite a while to get used.  One of the men at work, his wife is from
up by Yarm, and I had the most difficulty understanding her, until after I
spent August Bank Holiday up with the Pennine LRC at Tong.  By the end of the
weekend I could pretty much understand what was said.

And truth be told, I've been told that I talk funny, so to speak.  One of the
Pennine men was trying to find out where I was from, and asked me what club
I belonged to, and I told 'em Southern, and he didn't believe me, 'cause I
certianly didn't have the right accent. I showed 'im my car and don't ya know
they talk funny down there ?  And he said, yeah, but not as funny as you.
  :-)

(And, if you're in the West, the subtle difference of the morning diet will
undoubtedly be lost on you, but it'd be much more polite to order a 'full
Welsh Breakfast' than a full English one...)

signed, new yorker in england,

    Cheers,
        --bill  caloccia@Team.Net       caloccia@Stratus.Com

      1  3     dl OD  L           "Land Rover's first, becuase
      |--|--+  o  |   |            Land Rovers last."
      2  4  R     N   H           '72 Range Rover

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From: Spenny@aol.com
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 15:19:38 -0500
Subject: message

john any sign of the superbase ad?

< Dec 1994 issue of "PC MAGAZINE".
Do you mean the Superbase ad on p.241-242

Spenny

Spencer K. C. Norcross                               Spenny@aol.com
Haverhill, Mass. USA
508-373-1788 (W)                                508-521-4093 (H)
508-521-1380 (FAX)
===--===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===--===
1969 IIA SWB - The Wayback Machine
Now with most of the Federally requred electrics!

Land Rovers on the Information Superhighway!
What will they think of next!

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From: Spenny@aol.com
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 15:19:32 -0500
Subject: Re: Grill(e)ing

Gordon writes
snip...
You can't cook your trout on a Series III grill!
snip...

I have always wanted to do this, but isnt the galvanised bad for you?
I know it is toxic when welded.

Spenny

Spencer K. C. Norcross                               Spenny@aol.com
Haverhill, Mass. USA
508-373-1788 (W)                                508-521-4093 (H)
508-521-1380 (FAX)
===--===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===--===
1969 IIA SWB - The Wayback Machine
Now with most of the Federally requred electrics!

Land Rovers on the Information Superhighway!
What will they think of next!

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Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 20:24:06 +0100
From: caloccia@team.net (Bill Caloccia)
Subject: Re: SIGN (response)

>I'm also looking forward to see Bill's oval.

Well, I did a rather crufty cut and past job, to see what I could do. I used
your L/R logo, and blew it up to get a larger one (bug didn't clean up the
edges), I chopped out the rover images and found a similar font, but it doesn't
have the subtle 'serifs' of the actual land-rover logo lettering.

My image is definitly not as 'clean' or polished as S|ren's, and after having
a crack at it, I'll say I'm actually more fond of his :-)

Both S|ren's and my images are available via major domo, both are split into
four parts, and are uu-encoded JPEG type images

For S|ren's plaque, send majordomo the following text (in one letter)

get lro-digest lro-plaque.jpg.uu.aa
get lro-digest lro-plaque.jpg.uu.ab
get lro-digest lro-plaque.jpg.uu.ac
get lro-digest lro-plaque.jpg.uu.ad

For the oval which I did, send majordomo:

get lro-digest lro-oval.jpg.uu.aa
get lro-digest lro-oval.jpg.uu.ab
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      1  3     dl OD  L           "Land Rover's first, becuase
      |--|--+  o  |   |            Land Rovers last."
      2  4  R     N   H           '72 Range Rover

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Subject: Comic Relief... (UK)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 95 15:48:44 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

For those of you familliar with the concept, alas, no smashed tomato's for your
car's grille this year.  Instead they're doing 'clown' noses for your motor
(from Shell stations GBP 1.50, of which at least GBP 1.0 goes to the charity)

Additionally, clown noses are available for people from BK and WH Smiths, etc.

The noses are Red and turn purple at 4C, as a warning of potential black Ice.

Top Gear is giving away a clown beetle, and they review the Triumph Thunderbird
a harley killer for the UK..

 -B

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Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 15:54:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Grill(e)ing

On Thu, 16 Feb 1995 Spenny@aol.com wrote:

> You can't cook your trout on a Series III grill!
> I have always wanted to do this, but isnt the galvanised bad for you?
> I know it is toxic when welded.
none

	I don't know about eating off the grille, but cooking on the
	grille is a definite bad idea.

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From: C Taylor Sutherland III <taylors@hubcap.clemson.edu>
Subject: roll bars
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 15:55:40 -0500 (EST)

Delimma:  want to switch between hard top in winter to soft top in
spring, summer, fall, but with a soft top, I want a roll bar, but I
can't have a roll bar and still have a hard top on an 88" SIIA, can I?
I know soft tops can get cold in the winter, but I am in S.C. so cold
isn't unbearable cold for very long if I get the better heater, right?
Can anybody speak from experience?  Dumb question:  how much water
leaks in through the soft top?  gallons? occasional drip? occasional
drip right in the ear or between the eyes? :)  It's not that I'm
afraid of a little water; I just want to know what to expect...never
driven a truck with a rag top.  Ok, if I don't get the roll bar and
opt for switching in the respective season, how hard is it to flip a
88" SIIA?  I mean, without rolling down ditches that would shame the
Grand Canyon...

more annoying questions

Taylor

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Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 16:22:09 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: roll bars

On Thu, 16 Feb 1995, C Taylor Sutherland III wrote:

> Delimma:  want to switch between hard top in winter to soft top in
> spring, summer, fall, but with a soft top, I want a roll bar, but I
> can't have a roll bar and still have a hard top on an 88" SIIA, can I?

	Get a military rollbar.  Fits under the hard top.

> I know soft tops can get cold in the winter, but I am in S.C. so cold
> isn't unbearable cold for very long if I get the better heater, right?

	South Carolina?  Worried about the cold?  Your standard Smiths will 
	do just fine.  They only leak if they have holes or are imporperly
	installed

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: roll bars
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 95 13:36:37 PST

Get a D-90...

Russ
> Delimma:  want to switch between hard top in winter to soft top in
> spring, summer, fall, but with a soft top, I want a roll bar, but I
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 19 lines)]
> more annoying questions
> Taylor

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From: Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au>
Subject: Re: Question about DI petrol engines..
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 95 8:56:41 EDT

Ian Stuart writes:
> I realise that this is not a *specific* LR question, but it does relate to 
> engines, so if you'll indulge me:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 17 lines)]
> efficient delivery and improved fuel/air mixing.
> Are there any petrol engines that don't use spark plugs (once their 
> running..)?

Ian,
        your mate is an idoit, no offence intended, just remind him that 
a diesel motors has about three times the compression of a petrol motor 
so that it can use them compression to ignite the diesel, so they still 
use the good old spark plug, which does mean that fuel injected petrol 
motor can still get wet ignition!!

P.S.  It is great to be back on the interactive list!!!

==============================================================================
Craig Murray                                    |       1955 Series 1 86"
LROC of Victoria Australia                      |       2.25 diesel 
LROC of Gippsland Victoria Australia            |       No Hill to Steep!
email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au                   |       No Ditch to Deep!

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Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 22:05:37 +0001 (GMT)
From: Charlie Wright <cw117@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: U.K. parts details

On Thu, 16 Feb 1995, Bill Caloccia wrote:

> Re: Merseyside:
> > They may have problems with your accent, you may get
> > lost in a heavy Scottish accent.  If its in writing there is less chances of

> Scottish ?  Um. NOT !
> Well, there may be a scot there, but more likely you got a heavy liverpudian
> accent or a just a nice 'rich' Lancs. accent.   I do agree with terri ann
none

snip

> And truth be told, I've been told that I talk funny, so to speak.  One of the
> Pennine men was trying to find out where I was from, and asked me what club
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> they talk funny down there ?  And he said, yeah, but not as funny as you.
>   :-)

> signed, new yorker in england,
> Pennine men was trying to find out where I was from, and asked me what club

You can be sure a Texan in Cambridge gets some cocked heads.  After four
years here and a while in Edinburgh my accent's as muddled as anyone who
tries to understand me... I thoroughly confused the nice chaps at Binbrook
motors (Lincolnshire) last rebuild ;-)... we too resorted to the FAX.

Charlie
Texas-expat.

C. R. Wright                                    Dept. of Genetics
+44 (0)1223 333970 telephone                    Univ. of Cambridge
+44 (0)1223 333992 telefax                      Downing Street, Cambs.
cw117@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk                        CB2 3EH, England

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Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 23:18:20 +0100
From: caloccia@team.net (Bill Caloccia)
Subject: Re: roll bars

>Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 23:17:50 +0100
>To:C Taylor Sutherland III <taylors@hubcap.clemson.edu>
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 58 lines)]
>and cover the fundamental protection required, but are probably not as modern
>as those required by some of the other sanctioning bodies.

    Cheers,
        --bill  caloccia@Team.Net       caloccia@Stratus.Com

      1  3     dl OD  L           "Land Rover's first, becuase
      |--|--+  o  |   |            Land Rovers last."
      2  4  R     N   H           '72 Range Rover

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 19:14:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: roll bars

Taylor...

The canvas top, if in good shape and properly fitted, won't leak except
maybe at the back. The hoop kit (the metal parts that support the canvas)
includes metal pieces with rubber weatherstripping that frame the top and
rear edges of the door.  As to heat, well, considering that most older Land
Rovers don't have much in the line of heat you're not going to be that much
warmer with the hard top. I live in "upstate" New York, where it gets pretty
damm cold.. not quite Canadian "artic" conditions, but it feels like it! I
usually run my Ser III with canvas in the summer and a hardtop in the winter
but one winter I kept the canvas on. I really didn't notice that much
differance in heat, but I did spend lots of time clearing snow off the roof!

Can't help with the roll bar fitting questions.. never had one. 

Cheers
Mike
 

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Date: 16 Feb 95 19:37:27 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re:  ARO--Now Another LR Wannabe

>    According to the AP reporter, "The vehicles resemble an older model
> Land Rover, with a boxy shape and upright stands. Both fit and finish are

They *what* ???  Even from 1/2 mile distance through thick fog an ARO
doesn't even remotely resemble a Land Rover, old or new. Call it a
'Gulash-Rover' if you will- but, no, it doesn't look like a Rover, not
even from underneath.

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Date: 16 Feb 95 19:37:23 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Lodes & Cheweys

On Land Rovers test track on the Eastnor estate Bill M. surmises:

>Lode Lane would be foolish to create a test track that their vehicles could
>not navigate.  I would suspect that the water runs/mud bogs have a rock/gravel
>foundation, as most of the off road schools do.  If they didn't, they would
 ... snip ...
> The idea would be to demonstrate the limits of what the vehicle could do
 ... snip ...
> ... snip ...  Just speculation on my part.

I can confirm your speculation. I had the opportunity myself to drive the
Eastnor test track in my 109 by courtesy of Major Harvey-Bathurst, landlord
of Eastnor Castle, during the 1993 ARC National Rally that was held there.
Also among the 'chosen few' to do this test drive was none other than
John Hong and a couple of guys from BSROA in a rented brand-new snow-white
Defender 110 (bet they didn't tell the rental agency what they were up to...)
In fact they were driving right in front of me all the time. The track was
indeed 'passable', even after two days of rain, and none of the drivers or
models, Series or otherwise, had much of a problem going thru, even with
road tires - except for one or two drivers who obviously had no practical
offroad experience (like slamming on the brakes when descending a steep
rutted slippery path - one way to go tobboganning in summer). Ok, there was
one rather lengthy bog to go thru where the muddy water reached up to my door
handles; but if you kept the correct speed with a nice little bow wave,
no problem. And like you said, you always eventually found firm ground
before the diff touched anything. Cleverly made; there was remarkably little
winching and recovery. Still, not entirely for the faint-hearted. Pinstripes,
dints from knocking trees, ripped off mud flaps, lost RR bumper caps and
spoilers, clogged radiators and muddy soaked floor carpets were free for all,
and everyone got his fair share.
And please, will the guy who filmed me d(r)iving thru that water hole from
the back of the white 'Official American Delegation' Defender finally
send me that particular video clip, digitize and e-mail it to me, or give it
to someone who'll attend this years' Rally - I just *gotta have it* !

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Date: 16 Feb 95 19:37:36 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: RR mpg - old vs. new

>   ... snip ...   The big heavy 4 door EFI's are lucky to get
> 18mpg, worse for > 3.5 engines.  My light little 2-dr (;-)) gets
> 20mpg+ on Stombergs.  A lot of people over here in UK know that.

Well, yes, the 'long' RR EFI is quite a heavy beast, but on the straight
and even the weight shouldn't make that much a difference. And I agree
that an impeccably tuned carbed engine - and yours obviously is - can
deliver at least the mileage of 'electric-gizmo-ignition', be it EFI,
Lumenition, 'Jacobs' or whatever. But let's be honest: Most V8s of old RR
are in a sad state, and the half-dozen owners of pre-1980 RRs that I know
personally are forever lamenting about mileages at around 12-15 mpg, the
exception being those who tend to their carbs and distributors on a regular
basis. With an EFI, you buy it (or rebuild it in my case), close the bonnet
and forget it for the next couple of years without suffering the slightest
loss of performance or mileage. Also lets not forget that the EFI, with the
same displacement and for the same mileage, gives you an additional 35 hp
just on the side. I personally *average* 16-18mpg, with 3/4 being down-town
or short-haul traffic and regular towing of a 1.3-ton trailer. When loafing
along the autobahn in 5th gear at 115 km/h and barely 2,800rpm mileage
improves to around 20mpg - but a must admit I run 235/85 tires... and,
the engine was only recently completely rebuilt.
Anyway, the bottom line is that *even if* you get a better mileage from EFI,
it's absolutely pointless and uneconomical to convert a carb V8 to EFI -
you (or the vehicle) will never live to recover the costs. I rest my case.

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Date: 16 Feb 95 19:58:12 EST
From: "WILLIAM  L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Subject: Eastnor

In 1976 i was a visitor to the National Rally at eastnor, and a couple or three
times since. I was also at the launch of the 110 in the early 80's
 On 2 or 3 occasions i have been able to take my 88 diesel around the area that
LR do their testing. This is NOT a man made test area in the way that  pehaps
some of these off road training centres are , even the Lode Lane place.
 I know because I have both towed and been towed for recovery in some of the
places.  Parts are rutted and the last visit was difficult for my 88  ( 7.50
tyres) because most of the ruts had been made by coil sprung vehicles which do
not have leaf springs hanging under the axles, my motor was therfore left
bellied several times when i was unable to maintain sufficient speed  It is
alsodifficult for man to make trees and tree stumps etc.
  The area is very good for off road testing and the estate  a very good venue
for rover gatherings,the owner, Major Hervey - Bathurst  has been  good friend
to the lr movement over the years as host and president of the Midland ROC.

    Regards     Bill  Leacock   Limey in exile

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 20:44:23 -0500
Subject: Newf

<OK you got me, what's a Newfie?>  An enormous black dog that can weigh
better than 200 lbs. that drools gallons of slobber in hot weather down the
back seat back from the rear of your wagon.  They were originally used as
walking life-preservers.

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Date: Thu, 16 Feb 95 17:53:11 PST
From: grea@virgo.net.gov.bc.ca (Gordon Rea 660-0216 (NTO Vanc.))
Subject: Hubs,Health!

Last fall, one of the locking plates spun off my left hub and I	
wasn't able to find a used or wrecked hub to replace it. I'm too
cheap to buy a new hub because it missing a $1 part, so I made one.
Inevitably, however, it unlocks when I need it most.
Is there anyone who has a wrecked Warn hub that still has the locking
plate that they would be willing part with?

 >On a serious note, emulating Pete Wilfords cartoon character and  cooking using
 >a ser 1 /2 front grille  on an open fire is  not recommende. In fact it is
 >extemely dangerous. The zinc galvanising will burn of and the fumes are
 >Hazardous to ones health, can't comment about the possibility of zinc poisoning

Is there an MD on this list that can confirm this? 
I thought that Zinc was good for you! Someone tell me you've done this
for 30 years and you're fine!
I'm a little worried! :-o

Gord 

	

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Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 21:36:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Steven M Denis <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: Question about DI petrol engines..

OK Boss...no petrol DI (Direct Injection) engines...You are correct as to 
the use of fuel injection...closer metering of fuel with the possibility 
of a simple feedback system to monitor exhaust content...but it's gunna 
have plugs....on 2nd thought there are experimental direct injection 
petrol jpobs...but theser are knowen as stratified chared engines and you 
will not see one in andy sort of normal car...amd they *still* have 
plugs....most fuel injection engines are electronic or a "semi-mechanical 
system.....the mechaincal systems were the Kugernfischer (now built by 
Bosch) usen on the BMW 200Tii and the early "S" 911 Porsche....huh...the 
gullwing merecedes *might* have been direct (cyliner vs. port) injection 
.....but it too had plugs....well 'nuff said...he buys!

steve......

"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
"        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
"        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
"        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

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Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 21:59:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: winch stuff....

Umm sorry folks but someone wanted the directions for the Koeing winches 
and I could only find the one set (the front mounted one ?) and now I've 
located both types and I don't remenber who it was that wanted it!

the mind is a terrible thing to..to...Drat! what was I going to say?......

steve....

"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
"        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
"        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
"        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

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Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 23:13:08 -0500 (EST)
From: "Steven Swiger (LIS)" <swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu>
Subject: New Landy pricing...

Howdy, fellow roverphiles, 

Just wondering if I can get some comparative prices from around the 
country for a '94 or '95 Disco, Base model on up to top of the line.  My 
Roommate is looking into the SUV market and I am trying to convince him 
that it is worth the few extra dollars for the Landy of his chosen Nissan 
Pathfinder.  Any info on either truck would be much appreciated.

thnx in advance.
steve
swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu

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From: CTPJ@aol.com
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 23:28:47 -0500
Subject: Re:Letter from Tanzania

I would like to see someone make that trip in a Grand Cherokee or Explorer
and get out alive!  That is what made the Disco 4X4 of the Year and what
makes it a Land Rover. So to all those who say it is overpriced and quirky, I
just hope they appreciate me coming down the trail when they need to be
unstuck.

Todd Jenkins
1995 Disco

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Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 20:34:15 -0800 (PST)
From: "S. F. Yee" <travsboc@crl.com>
Subject: I see a RANGE ROVER in my future

Hello -- I'm seriously thinking of purchasing a *used* Range Rover, circa 
1989-91, with < 75,000 miles.  My questions to you folks: what 
kind of Maintenance can I expect?  Will I have some big ticket items like 
a new transmission or differentials to consider?  How much is this gonna 
cost me?  

As long as I know what I'm getting myself into, expense is no (big) 
problem (I think).  I love RRs but a good used one is all I can afford 
now.  A bit about myself: married, son 21 mos. old, lives in Marin County 
Calif., and plans to embark on off-road vacations all around the state 
and western U.S., not just to the freakin shopping mall!  A trusty but 
aging Honda Accord (!) serves as my current set of wheels.  After 
this rather wet spell here (rain, flooding) it's been decided to move on up
to an RR over some minivan.

Thanks in advance for all your advise.  --S.F.

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Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 23:38:32 -0600 (CST)
From: David John Place <umplace@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Find Bill Lang

Does anyone out there in the U.S. know Bill Lang.  He is formaly of 
Canada and he drives a very modified Ser III with chrome diamond plate 
floor and Chev V6 engine. The vehicle is right hand drive white in 
colour.  I would like to say hi to him but have lost contact since he 
moved somewhere in the Kansas area.  Dave VE4PN

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Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 22:26:26 -0800
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Re: Grill(e)ing

>>Gordon writes:
>>You can't cook your trout on a Series III grill!
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>I know it is toxic when welded.
>Spenny@aol.com

  I think Spenny,
  that Gordon is refering
  to the plastic Series III
  grill

--Michael
  cs@crl.com

  (gee..  I hope I wrote more lines in the
  reply than in were in the quotation!)

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