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1 bfreeman@heartland.bradl27cont. For Sale
2 John Gardener [J.Gardene7[not specified]
3 kleihors@prl.philips.nl 48Mark's brake-lights and my braking system.
4 William Caloccia [calocc11[not specified]
5 maloney@wings.attmail.co61Rich's brakes
6 DEBROWN@SRP.GOV 33Why a D90.
7 DEBROWN@SRP.GOV 33Why a D90.
8 afpgreg@gatekeeper.ddp.s27Hummers and More Ostentation
9 azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woo26Re: Diesel woes!!!
10 azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woo23Re: Hummers(Hummve) (+)
11 Richard Jones [rich@apri32[not specified]
12 C Taylor Sutherland III 2988" Series III
13 mtalbot@InterServ.Com (M19Re: My Brake lights
14 "WILLIAM L. LEACOCK" [723digest 9th feb
15 Mike Fredette [mfredett@21[not specified]
16 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn25From the book of Generator
17 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn23Re: Matchbox Land Rover Fire Engine
18 rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca54[not specified]
19 rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca76[not specified]
20 rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca16[not specified]
21 Keerock2@aol.com 27D90 Advert
22 jpappa01@InterServ.Com 30Re: *Bah, Humvee!*
23 Marty Purselley [martypu6[not specified]


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Date: Thu, 9 Feb 95 02:28:07 CST
From: bfreeman@heartland.bradley.edu (Benjamin Freeman)
Subject: cont. For Sale

Ben Freeman here again on my for sale ad sorry that I didn't put
more info. It is as follows. asking price is $9,000.00 US$ but
will neg. of course aslo includes my 109 box bed trailer. But
will seperate at small deduction. My mailing address is:
Benjamin Freeman, 13739-Linden Ave. N. #C-102, Seattle, WA 98133
I can also be reached at the previously mentioned phone # or
by e-mail of course, but my e-mail box isn't very big and as such 
some mail isn't recieved some times. I'll also mention that I'm
unemployed at this time, and getting merried in June, an what 
else can I say..oh, my fiancee' isn't all that receptive to my
Land Rover affliction...so I thought I'd push the envelope
and get my RHD 109 SIII before I get hitched an she get full
control of my life not that she already doesn't for those of
you how've already met me and my future bride...I'd be happier
marring the Land Rover of course but I think there's a law
against that..? Oh well to my friends any help would be most 
helpfull. I'll answer any questions about my Landy with total
honesty. So feel free to ask away..:)
Good luck to you all as well.....
Benjamin Freeman
'73-SIII 88
"Joanna"

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Subject: Re: Problems with brake lights
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 1995 08:57:20 +0000
From: John Gardener <J.Gardener@fulcrum.co.uk>

Check the earths on the tail lights.

You get this sort of problem when ONE of them is lost.

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From: kleihors@prl.philips.nl
Subject: Mark's brake-lights and my braking system.
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 1995 11:36:59 MET

Mark, 

>When I hit the brake pedal, the front side lights and brake/side lights come
>on, when I put the side lights on, all the side lights come on as they should.
>However, the brake lights also come on !

Looks like there is a common earth point for the all rear lamps which is 
loose/corroded. You're right now all the lights are in the same system. 
Good luck!

Thanks Bill and nigel for the advice for the steering adjustment. I guess 
lengths don't say anything; just checked with the '60 "88 steering arm and
its even longer, but the steering geometry of this car is perfect. 
I will be working on it this weekend, yes I do have new tie-rods, actually
have a dozen or so. The previous owner was with the army and apparently,
so he says..., he always got surplus parts. Right now I'm fighting (WD40)
to remove the worn tierods from the steering shaft. Its in the benchvise,
but those buggers are seized. 

Among the pile of stuf are a couple of master brake cylinders. Including
servos. Some are complete with the mounting box and brake pedal 
They are presumably from a series III. 
At this moment, the LWB has a single braking system with the "Girling CV" 
type of master (isn't this exactly the same as the clutch's?). I'm 
feeling a littlebit scary with this heavy vehicle in the busy traffic, so I'm
contemplating switching to dual lines. Is this a regular swap? Will one
of those dual line systems (complete with pedal) bolt in, or will I have to
chop up the wing, bonnet and bulkhead? 

I'm not sure if I would like to go to servo assistance. (I don't fancy 
isolated toe-touch braking). The dual line master cylinders in the pile are 
al for servo assistance, could I try to fit one of those in-place of the 
single line versions, after relocating the bolt holes? Do I need one of those 
brake-line differential units or are the front/rear brakes on the 109" well 
ratioed? 
Probably this braking subject has been discussed to death, but if anyone has
any suggestions/conclusions/ideas please mention them.

Its a strange thing how tiny our Mini looks, even behind the 88" 
take care,

Richard P. Kleihorst. 

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Subject: 'modified' rovers...
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 95 05:50:20 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

Well, in the finest tradition, check out the specs on this recently advertised
trails motor (from the Feb. '95 "Bottom Box" newsletter of Pennine LRC):

	Series I bodied 88" coil sprung special fitted with Rover 2L 16v twin
	cam (rover 820) engine, 1-ton gearbox, white 8 spokes on trackers,
	power steering, full comp spec. with ARC log book, won NORC
	championship 3 times.  Very, very competitive and reliable  2,500 GBP

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Date: Thu, 09 Feb 1995 09:21:07 -0500
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Rich's brakes

Rich asked:    

none
Right now I'm fighting (WD40) to remove the worn tierods from the steering 
shaft. Its in the benchvise, but those buggers are seized. 
none

That's the best place to tackle it.  With the tie rod end in the vise, clean 
as much of the rust off the end as possible with a wire brush, then soak it 
in penetrating oil (WD-40 is ok, ATF doesn't evaporate as much.  Let it sit 
overnight (guess you already have).  Then, heat the end as much as possible 
(taking care not to set your workbench on fire if there's still penetrating 
oil lying about).  Using a pipe wrench an inch or so away from where you 
think the end of the threaded tie rod is, away from the tie rod, turn one 
way, then the other, back & forth.  Keep an eye on the tube to make sure it 
doesn't twist or deform.  This will put teethmarks in the tube, but I can't 
think of a kinder way to do it.  I had one snap off in the tube once.  I took 
it down to my machine shop and asked him to drill, tap it, and thread a bolt 
in (this was a left hand tie rod end).  He heated the tube to a cherry red 
and used an impact wrench to turn the bolt in, which turned the tie rod out. 
I was one happy camper (didn't have to spend $70 for the tie rod or lay the 
Rover up for the weekend).

(taking care not to set your workbench on fire if there's still penetrating 
At this moment, the LWB has a single braking system with the "Girling CV" 
type of master (isn't this exactly the same as the clutch's?).
(taking care not to set your workbench on fire if there's still penetrating 

Yes.  The early type is the same.

(taking care not to set your workbench on fire if there's still penetrating 
I'm feeling a littlebit scary with this heavy vehicle in the busy traffic, so 
I'm contemplating switching to dual lines. Is this a regular swap? Will one
of those dual line systems (complete with pedal) bolt in, or will I have to
chop up the wing, bonnet and bulkhead? 
(taking care not to set your workbench on fire if there's still penetrating 

It's worked well for some, but not for others.  If you have a IIA, you will 
have to cut away a portion of the wing to make the master cylinder fit (if 
your headlamps are in the radiator breakfast).

(taking care not to set your workbench on fire if there's still penetrating 
Do I need one of those brake-line differential units or are the front/rear 
brakes on the 109" well ratioed? 
(taking care not to set your workbench on fire if there's still penetrating 

No.  You will need a junction block for a dual braking system.

I have a single circuit servo system on my 109.  It works pretty well.  Not 
overly touchy.  But I'd get some more advice before making the swap.  I know 
what you mean about driving a 109 in heavy traffic.  Really sucks.  I try to 
avoid it.

Bill

maloney@wings.attmail.com

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Date: Thu, 09 Feb 95 08:06:10 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: Why a D90.

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: Why a D90.
George,

I don't have a D90, but I do own a Discovery, which is the same running
gear, engine, trans (if a 5-speed) except I have an automatic. I don't
know exactly what it is, but the LR performs FAR SUPERIOR to a stock
trooper, and I'd even go as far as saying ANY other stock vehicle. I've
been out with a friend and his Trooper, and needed to pull him out WHEN
he got stuck (not "if") and when he'd go up a loose rocky steep incline
with lots of ruts, he'd get stuck, and I had to wait at the bottom of
the hill for several minutes while he reversed, turned, spun the tires,
sprayed rocks, etc... Then, I'd just "walk right up" with absolutely NO
problem. One time, I even stopped dead in the same place he had trouble,
then started up again with no problems. It's a combination of the wheel
articulation, tires, (admittedly, his were a little worn, but not that
bad.) and the locking "differential" transfer case. (This, when locked,
divides power equally between front and rear.)

I've owned "Jeeps" and Scouts in the past, but never again! (Unless it's
"dirt cheap" and I want something to trash.)

#=======#                Never doubt that a small group of individuals
|__|__|__\___            can change the world... indeed, it's the only
| _|  |   |_ |}          thing that ever has.
"(_)""""""(_)"                                          -Margaret Mead

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Date: Thu, 09 Feb 95 08:06:11 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: Why a D90.

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: Why a D90.
George,

I don't have a D90, but I do own a Discovery, which is the same running
gear, engine, trans (if a 5-speed) except I have an automatic. I don't
know exactly what it is, but the LR performs FAR SUPERIOR to a stock
trooper, and I'd even go as far as saying ANY other stock vehicle. I've
been out with a friend and his Trooper, and needed to pull him out WHEN
he got stuck (not "if") and when he'd go up a loose rocky steep incline
with lots of ruts, he'd get stuck, and I had to wait at the bottom of
the hill for several minutes while he reversed, turned, spun the tires,
sprayed rocks, etc... Then, I'd just "walk right up" with absolutely NO
problem. One time, I even stopped dead in the same place he had trouble,
then started up again with no problems. It's a combination of the wheel
articulation, tires, (admittedly, his were a little worn, but not that
bad.) and the locking "differential" transfer case. (This, when locked,
divides power equally between front and rear.)

I've owned "Jeeps" and Scouts in the past, but never again! (Unless it's
"dirt cheap" and I want something to trash.)

#=======#                Never doubt that a small group of individuals
|__|__|__\___            can change the world... indeed, it's the only
| _|  |   |_ |}          thing that ever has.
"(_)""""""(_)"                                          -Margaret Mead

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Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 10:19:09 -0500
From: afpgreg@gatekeeper.ddp.state.me.us (Paul V. Gregory)
Subject: Hummers and More Ostentation

        Roverphiles,
        Some recent chat on this newsgroup about Hummers led me to recall
that Lamborghini imported an exotic SUV some ten years ago. What were they
called? How long were they imported?
         I witnessed a gaggle of them in a New Jersey warehouse (all window
stickered with EPA gas mileage estimates beginning with decimal points)
parked alongside even more Lambo Countachs. I believe they both used the
same 12-cylinder engine, and I have a vague notion the SUV had six-wheels,
but I may be wrong (I was at the time more awestruck by the sight of dozens
of the low-flying winged Countachs).
        Anyways, I assumed Lambo's SUV was destined for a market of
well-heeled suburbane guerrillas in need of an all-terrain vehicle that
revvs to 8,000 rpm....real necessary for those white-knucked assaults on
shopping mall speed bumps. 
                                        Snobbishly, 
                                                --Paul, '61 S.II-A owner
       || Real ute owners know an excellent place 
       || to host a habachi bar-be-que party is
       || around a Land Rover's bonnet  
                
         
        

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re:  Diesel woes!!!
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 15:38:09 UNDEFINED

/        The other weekend I was driving along, when all of a sudden there 
/was a load knock comming from the motor.  So I got towed home, and pondered
/the dint in the pocket that this knock was going to cause.  Turns out 
/that the pin that stops the combustion chamber from spinning round had 
/planted it self on the top of no. 2 piston.  But how can that happen I 
/hear you say, as the pin is held in by the head gasket and the block!  

Lucky. It is apparently common for the little indirect combustion chamber to 
fall into the piston on the 2.25s. This happened to a freind of mine and a 
conrod came thru the block. New engine time :(

I am told the 2.5NAs in the 90 have had this fixed by a liillte lip round the 
top of the barrel? Got my fingers crossed.

Whatever. Apparently if you hear a little bell in the engine (Like light 
pinking) STOP NOW. Its trying to warn you......

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
        Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway
+++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Hummers(Hummve) (+)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 15:42:08 UNDEFINED

/To add to this growing bit of trivia, there was an AP (I think) photo in
/the local rag last week showing a long column of Jordanian Army Humvees
/doing their thing in the desert.  The best and most interesting part was
/the Land Rover 90 leading the whole thing.  No fool, that commanding
/officer. 

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm (sorry)

As I understand it, the hummers are excellent except for two things. The 
monster weight makes em sink in tarmac, adn the monster width makes em get 
stuck between continental plates.

Much like the Series one is a better offroad trialer than the 90.............

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
        Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway
+++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Subject: Re: Hummers and More Ostentation
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 15:50:24 +0000 (GMT)
From: Richard Jones <rich@apricot.co.uk>

Paul V. Gregory writes:
>         Roverphiles,
>         Some recent chat on this newsgroup about Hummers led me to recall
> that Lamborghini imported an exotic SUV some ten years ago. What were they
> called? How long were they imported?
none

Wasn't it something like LM02 or am I getting confused

>          I witnessed a gaggle of them in a New Jersey warehouse (all window
> stickered with EPA gas mileage estimates beginning with decimal points)
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> but I may be wrong (I was at the time more awestruck by the sight of dozens
> of the low-flying winged Countachs).

V12 yes, 4 wheels

>         Anyways, I assumed Lambo's SUV was destined for a market of
> well-heeled suburbane guerrillas in need of an all-terrain vehicle that
> revvs to 8,000 rpm....real necessary for those white-knucked assaults on
> shopping mall speed bumps. 

-- 
 _ __            Apricot Computer Limited    Tel:   (+44) 21 717 7171
' )  )      /    3500 Parkside               Fax:   (+44) 21 717 0123
 /--' o _. /_    Birmingham Business Park
/  \_<_(__/ <_   BIRMINGHAM  B37 7YS         Email: richardj@apricot.co.uk
Richard Jones    United Kingdom                     ..!uknet!apricot!richardj

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From: C Taylor Sutherland III <taylors@hubcap.clemson.edu>
Subject: 88" Series III
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 12:07:44 -0500 (EST)

Thanks for the faq that I got mailed to me.  There's just a couple
more questions I have:

Drum brFrom lro-owner  Thu Feb  9 22:06:21 1995
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Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 14:03:28 +0800
From: William.Grouell@Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell)
Subject: Re: Rich's brakes
X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII

none
Right now I'm fighting (WD40) to remove the worn tierods from the steering 
shaft. Its in the benchvise, but those buggers are seized. 
none

  And when you put the new ones in, smear a good dose of antisize (sp?)
compound on the threads. That way you won't have this problem the
next time.

R, bg

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Date: Thu, 9 Feb 95 14:49:11 PST
From: mtalbot@InterServ.Com (Mark Talbot)
Subject: Re: My Brake lights

All, 

Another atempt to track down this lighting problem. I wired from the switch to 
the brake lamps directly, passing all exisiting wires, pressed the switch, all 
the side lamps came on. 

Ran a seperate lead from the switch to the lamps, and directly to the fuse, 
again all side lamps came on ????? I have basically removed all exisiting 
wiring and still the problem exisits, the only common wiring here is the RED 
side lamp wiring to all side lamps, that is dual to the brake lamps. 

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mark 

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Date: 09 Feb 95 18:18:21 EST
From: "WILLIAM  L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Subject: digest 9th feb

Kelly  The stock Rover steel rims are NOT tubeless, when the rims were designed
pre 1948 they did not have tubeless tyres. There is a risk of air loss round the
rivets securing the rim to the nave plate and the rim design is not to the
required standard.  You have been lucky so far, long may you be so, be careful
off road, particularly if you run the tyres at low pressure for traction.
 
 Re brake light problems;  check the earth connections in the brake light
circuit, if the connectionis bad the current will flow down the path of least
resistance which will then be the normal light circuit.
   Check al the wiring connections at the rear of the UK drivers side chassis,
they get sprayed with all the road dirt from the rear wheels.  A good tip is to
extend all the connections up into the body inside the rear corner cap that
covers the inside of the rear lights.

 Jason -- re your speedo request,refer to the digest of 1/5/95 in which I gave
some info on this topic.

  Regards  Bill  Leacock    Limey in exile

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Subject: Re: My Brake lights 
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 1995 15:23:39 -0800
From: Mike Fredette <mfredett@ichips.intel.com>

Mark,
	You have a ground problem, or a lack of a good
ground I should say. The same type of problem happened to
me on my Series lll and this was the solution. Go through
with a small stainless steel toothbrush (any hardware store)
and remove all the corrosion from the ground connections. Remember
that the boys at Lucas brought ground to each light individually
and so if on get screwed up, it seeks to ground itself through
another source. In your case, the marker lamp circuit. I swear
that if you clean up all the ground connections, and verify that 
they are all secure to the chassis, you're problem WILL go away.
Don't give up yet! Or just go buy a D90 and the problem will also
go away.
						Rgds
						Mike Fredette
						Portland, Oregon
						D90

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Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 19:07:45 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: From the book of Generator

And Lucas said, "Let there be light!"  
And there was, occassionally, light.

And Lucas said, "Let there be spark!"  
And there was, occassionally, spark.

And Lucas said, "Let there be ground!" 
And there was, all too often, ground.

And in His wisdom, Lucas gave the Land Rover the power of Fire, and though 
his reasoning may not be clear, we praise Him for it, and call His name, 
often.  For truly it is written that Lucas moves in strange and mysterious 
ways. 

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 19:07:53 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Matchbox Land Rover Fire Engine

> The ad makes no mention of these being available singly.  Roger, where 
> did you hear about it?

I heard about it in the Collectibles forum on Compuserve.  There is a 
Diecast and Toys  section where I am known as one of the Land Rover nuts.  
Anyway, there are some serious diecast collectors there and one of them 
(the section leader, actually) alerted me to it.  

I had no idea there was a subscription sort of thing.  I just called up and 
asked for it.  I will also ask about the Matchbox Collectibles outlets on 
the east coast.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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Subject: us rangers 110's
From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 95 21:40:29 -0500

There has been alot of chat about hummers vs 110's. 

Lets get a few things straight here. there are horses for courses and 
there is the right tool for the job.

The Rangers are an air mobile unit and any such unit has WEIGHT and SIZE 
as a big consideration.

For those of you who care to listen the US Forces have been using Land 
Rovers, Range Rovers, Shorland SB401's, Defender 130's in various parts 
of the world for various reasons. In the UK they were at pains to belnd 
and subsequently drove vehciles with British Forces licence plates and 
markings. 

In Turkey the US has used Land Rover products for a number of years now.

The Rangers were looking for a vehicle that would stow into their current 
airlift inventory and future aircraft in years to come.

The 110 offered a proven light weight airportable compact vehicle. In the 
SOV role that the rangers use them for they can get at least 7 persons in 
a fully tooled up 110. It is equiped with a weapons ring that can take 
just about any weapon you consider to name. Using devices such as on the 
110 Hi Cap patrol vehciles weapons platforms the suspension is locked out 
for really big calibre weapons.

The 110 sov was intended for quick in and out operations over realitively 
short distances but need the kind of mobility that the smaller 110 offers 
while being able to be underslung to a number of aircraft or inside 
others.

The Hummer is a designed vehcile in a different class to the 110. It is 
very heavy and not as manouerverable as the 110 and not take to kind of 
fit that the sov does, they just dont compare for the role, and that is 
the long and the short of it.

Every vehilce that I know of can get stuck, even 110's. Alot has to do 
with the pink computer behind the wheel if the truth be known. I have 
pictures of 110's bogged in the Gulf, so what! See my point.

As one who has driven a Hummer off road I take my hat off to the 
designers, it does a job, NOT ALL JOBS. Every vehcile has its limitations 
and this is why the Rangers bought the lighter 110's.

Robin Craig

--
Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. |  Ottawa Valley Land Rovers

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Subject: Land Rover parts policies
From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 95 21:57:48 -0500

I have been doing some work on the availability or non in some cases of 
parts.

I have been trying to order the land Rover Experience, which was 
advertised in LRO and has a genuine part number to it.

My local, and I beleive in supporting local bussiness, dealer parts man 
put the number through the computer and it did not register.

I brought the advert in and he went to town trying to get it for me.

Without naming names he got the true apathetic answers to his enquiries 
throught the parts chain. This was the laxadazical attitude that has long 
tarnished the LR name.

Fed up I called Land Rover Parts in the UK direct myself and spoke to the 
head honcho on parts and got the full scoop.

When LR was planning its come back into the NA market they readilly 
recognised the series owners as a market for parts, but they did not want 
to have their new vehcile dealers having to look after all of this 
market.

They instead decided to establish approved dealers such as Rovers North 
in Vermont to deal with this market, because these types of dealers would 
offer the series owner the full orig spec parts and the aftermarket stuff 
and that was going to service the markket best.

The premise that you can walk into ANY Land Rover dealer ANYWHERE in the 
world and order a genuine Land Rover part holds true today. 

The problem that you will encounter is that the dealer may not recognise 
the part number on his system. There are microfiches available to all 
dealers that give all the parts numbers that exist. In these you will 
find a plethora of parts that are not listed in the computer. That is the 
case here in NA for example.

IF the dummies who run the system above the dealer level dont put the 
effort into traking it down then your dealer will never be able to supply 
what you want, that is what happened to me.

So once again, ANY GENUINE LR PART IS AVAILABLE ANYWHERE, you just might 
not like the price. Sure the likes of Craddock in the UK might be able to 
get you a better price, I'm not disputing that.

Some people for instance were asking recently about hood mounts for their 
spare tyres on 90's. 

When the Defender 90 was approved in the US the mount was put on the rear 
and that is how it is legally sold, same with the roll cage.

What you do afterwards is your bussiness.

There is no kit as such for the hood mount but all the parts are 
available individually through your local dealer 'cos guess what THEY ARE 
GENUINE LR PARTS.

I have invested in the fiches for North American stock and non NAS type 
90's and 110's which are available for about 10 bucks a pop up here, when 
I get a viewer I'll let you have the parts numbers.

To sum up, push your dealer to get LRNA or LRC to do their job if you 
want the part.

Have we put that one to bed now?

Robin Craig

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Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. |  Ottawa Valley Land Rovers

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Subject: ex military trailers
From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 95 22:15:24 -0500

For any one who has bought the Ex Canadian forces M100 series trailers I 
have parts manulas for them that give cross references for the various 
part numbers with varous civvy manufactures such as Chrysler etc

email for more info

Robin Craig

--
Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. |  Ottawa Valley Land Rovers

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From: Keerock2@aol.com
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 22:47:19 -0500
Subject: D90 Advert

Hi all,

In the ongoing collection of LR media, a week or so ago someone mentioned an
ad (cited as source unknown) featuring a D90 in the jungle with the subtitle
"What to drive in places where you're the food ....  While it's not exactly
the least expensive 4x4, the Defender offers you that invaluable old English
option.  To be or not to be."  I came across that ad quite by accident
yesterday in the inside back cover of this month's (February) Esquire
Magazine.  A very sharp ad, really, featuring a fully-loaded yellow hardtop,
slightly muddied for effect.

First, though, you'll have to skip through the huge, glossy, overly-slick
eight page Jeep centerfold advertising packet in the middle of the magazine
(yuk).  Shouldn't be a problem.

And hey, a question for the UK folks:  Why do English products always have
the four "By Appointment To ..." crests displayed in their ads and packaging?
 My Orvis fly fishing gear has the same thing.

-Dean Silliman
-Lake Arrowhead, CA, USA

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From: jpappa01@InterServ.Com
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 95 20:14:58 PST
Subject: Re: 	*Bah, Humvee!*

You know how all of the tall tales begin, right? *This is no bullsh*t*. But, 
this really is no bullsh*t. 

There lives a desert tan truck cab civilian humvee in my quaint little town of 
Scituate, Mass. It lives in a circular driveway in front of a house with a 
garage bigger than my house. I drive by it regularly in my 110 or the dealer 
90. 

The other day, the humvee was parked tail towards the road. What do you 
suppose was stencilled and painted in black lettering on the tailgate? *IT'S A 
LEMON!* Yes, `tis true. I must get a photograph of this for the Rover 
Reference. But I'd better drive up to the house in my wife's Dodge. It 
wouldn't be sporting of me to do it in the Rover, no?

I talked with another owner in my town (there are, gasp, about four of them in 
Scituate) and he spun an almost unbelievable story of woe concerning service 
problems with the vehicle and a quality control horror story that would make 
the worst Lucas stories pale into insignificance!

Now, this is no bullshit...

Cheerz
Jim
Roverheadus bahumveeum peesojunkoid

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From: Marty Purselley <martypur@bilbo.pic.net>
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 95 22:13:51 -800

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