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1 bfreeman@heartland.bradl27cont. For Sale
2 John Gardener [J.Gardene7[not specified]
3 kleihors@prl.philips.nl 48Mark's brake-lights and my braking system.
4 William Caloccia [calocc11[not specified]
5 maloney@wings.attmail.co61Rich's brakes
6 DEBROWN@SRP.GOV 33Why a D90.
7 DEBROWN@SRP.GOV 33Why a D90.
8 afpgreg@gatekeeper.ddp.s27Hummers and More Ostentation
9 azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woo26Re: Diesel woes!!!
10 azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woo23Re: Hummers(Hummve) (+)
11 Richard Jones [rich@apri32[not specified]


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Date: Thu, 9 Feb 95 02:28:07 CST
From: bfreeman@heartland.bradley.edu (Benjamin Freeman)
Subject: cont. For Sale

Ben Freeman here again on my for sale ad sorry that I didn't put
more info. It is as follows. asking price is $9,000.00 US$ but
will neg. of course aslo includes my 109 box bed trailer. But
will seperate at small deduction. My mailing address is:
Benjamin Freeman, 13739-Linden Ave. N. #C-102, Seattle, WA 98133
I can also be reached at the previously mentioned phone # or
by e-mail of course, but my e-mail box isn't very big and as such 
some mail isn't recieved some times. I'll also mention that I'm
unemployed at this time, and getting merried in June, an what 
else can I say..oh, my fiancee' isn't all that receptive to my
Land Rover affliction...so I thought I'd push the envelope
and get my RHD 109 SIII before I get hitched an she get full
control of my life not that she already doesn't for those of
you how've already met me and my future bride...I'd be happier
marring the Land Rover of course but I think there's a law
against that..? Oh well to my friends any help would be most 
helpfull. I'll answer any questions about my Landy with total
honesty. So feel free to ask away..:)
Good luck to you all as well.....
Benjamin Freeman
'73-SIII 88
"Joanna"

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Subject: Re: Problems with brake lights
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 1995 08:57:20 +0000
From: John Gardener <J.Gardener@fulcrum.co.uk>

Check the earths on the tail lights.

You get this sort of problem when ONE of them is lost.

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From: kleihors@prl.philips.nl
Subject: Mark's brake-lights and my braking system.
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 1995 11:36:59 MET

Mark, 

>When I hit the brake pedal, the front side lights and brake/side lights come
>on, when I put the side lights on, all the side lights come on as they should.
>However, the brake lights also come on !

Looks like there is a common earth point for the all rear lamps which is 
loose/corroded. You're right now all the lights are in the same system. 
Good luck!

Thanks Bill and nigel for the advice for the steering adjustment. I guess 
lengths don't say anything; just checked with the '60 "88 steering arm and
its even longer, but the steering geometry of this car is perfect. 
I will be working on it this weekend, yes I do have new tie-rods, actually
have a dozen or so. The previous owner was with the army and apparently,
so he says..., he always got surplus parts. Right now I'm fighting (WD40)
to remove the worn tierods from the steering shaft. Its in the benchvise,
but those buggers are seized. 

Among the pile of stuf are a couple of master brake cylinders. Including
servos. Some are complete with the mounting box and brake pedal 
They are presumably from a series III. 
At this moment, the LWB has a single braking system with the "Girling CV" 
type of master (isn't this exactly the same as the clutch's?). I'm 
feeling a littlebit scary with this heavy vehicle in the busy traffic, so I'm
contemplating switching to dual lines. Is this a regular swap? Will one
of those dual line systems (complete with pedal) bolt in, or will I have to
chop up the wing, bonnet and bulkhead? 

I'm not sure if I would like to go to servo assistance. (I don't fancy 
isolated toe-touch braking). The dual line master cylinders in the pile are 
al for servo assistance, could I try to fit one of those in-place of the 
single line versions, after relocating the bolt holes? Do I need one of those 
brake-line differential units or are the front/rear brakes on the 109" well 
ratioed? 
Probably this braking subject has been discussed to death, but if anyone has
any suggestions/conclusions/ideas please mention them.

Its a strange thing how tiny our Mini looks, even behind the 88" 
take care,

Richard P. Kleihorst. 

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Subject: 'modified' rovers...
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 95 05:50:20 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

Well, in the finest tradition, check out the specs on this recently advertised
trails motor (from the Feb. '95 "Bottom Box" newsletter of Pennine LRC):

	Series I bodied 88" coil sprung special fitted with Rover 2L 16v twin
	cam (rover 820) engine, 1-ton gearbox, white 8 spokes on trackers,
	power steering, full comp spec. with ARC log book, won NORC
	championship 3 times.  Very, very competitive and reliable  2,500 GBP

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Date: Thu, 09 Feb 1995 09:21:07 -0500
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Rich's brakes

Rich asked:    

none
Right now I'm fighting (WD40) to remove the worn tierods from the steering 
shaft. Its in the benchvise, but those buggers are seized. 
none

That's the best place to tackle it.  With the tie rod end in the vise, clean 
as much of the rust off the end as possible with a wire brush, then soak it 
in penetrating oil (WD-40 is ok, ATF doesn't evaporate as much.  Let it sit 
overnight (guess you already have).  Then, heat the end as much as possible 
(taking care not to set your workbench on fire if there's still penetrating 
oil lying about).  Using a pipe wrench an inch or so away from where you 
think the end of the threaded tie rod is, away from the tie rod, turn one 
way, then the other, back & forth.  Keep an eye on the tube to make sure it 
doesn't twist or deform.  This will put teethmarks in the tube, but I can't 
think of a kinder way to do it.  I had one snap off in the tube once.  I took 
it down to my machine shop and asked him to drill, tap it, and thread a bolt 
in (this was a left hand tie rod end).  He heated the tube to a cherry red 
and used an impact wrench to turn the bolt in, which turned the tie rod out. 
I was one happy camper (didn't have to spend $70 for the tie rod or lay the 
Rover up for the weekend).

(taking care not to set your workbench on fire if there's still penetrating 
At this moment, the LWB has a single braking system with the "Girling CV" 
type of master (isn't this exactly the same as the clutch's?).
(taking care not to set your workbench on fire if there's still penetrating 

Yes.  The early type is the same.

(taking care not to set your workbench on fire if there's still penetrating 
I'm feeling a littlebit scary with this heavy vehicle in the busy traffic, so 
I'm contemplating switching to dual lines. Is this a regular swap? Will one
of those dual line systems (complete with pedal) bolt in, or will I have to
chop up the wing, bonnet and bulkhead? 
(taking care not to set your workbench on fire if there's still penetrating 

It's worked well for some, but not for others.  If you have a IIA, you will 
have to cut away a portion of the wing to make the master cylinder fit (if 
your headlamps are in the radiator breakfast).

(taking care not to set your workbench on fire if there's still penetrating 
Do I need one of those brake-line differential units or are the front/rear 
brakes on the 109" well ratioed? 
(taking care not to set your workbench on fire if there's still penetrating 

No.  You will need a junction block for a dual braking system.

I have a single circuit servo system on my 109.  It works pretty well.  Not 
overly touchy.  But I'd get some more advice before making the swap.  I know 
what you mean about driving a 109 in heavy traffic.  Really sucks.  I try to 
avoid it.

Bill

maloney@wings.attmail.com

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Date: Thu, 09 Feb 95 08:06:10 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: Why a D90.

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: Why a D90.
George,

I don't have a D90, but I do own a Discovery, which is the same running
gear, engine, trans (if a 5-speed) except I have an automatic. I don't
know exactly what it is, but the LR performs FAR SUPERIOR to a stock
trooper, and I'd even go as far as saying ANY other stock vehicle. I've
been out with a friend and his Trooper, and needed to pull him out WHEN
he got stuck (not "if") and when he'd go up a loose rocky steep incline
with lots of ruts, he'd get stuck, and I had to wait at the bottom of
the hill for several minutes while he reversed, turned, spun the tires,
sprayed rocks, etc... Then, I'd just "walk right up" with absolutely NO
problem. One time, I even stopped dead in the same place he had trouble,
then started up again with no problems. It's a combination of the wheel
articulation, tires, (admittedly, his were a little worn, but not that
bad.) and the locking "differential" transfer case. (This, when locked,
divides power equally between front and rear.)

I've owned "Jeeps" and Scouts in the past, but never again! (Unless it's
"dirt cheap" and I want something to trash.)

#=======#                Never doubt that a small group of individuals
|__|__|__\___            can change the world... indeed, it's the only
| _|  |   |_ |}          thing that ever has.
"(_)""""""(_)"                                          -Margaret Mead

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Date: Thu, 09 Feb 95 08:06:11 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: Why a D90.

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: Why a D90.
George,

I don't have a D90, but I do own a Discovery, which is the same running
gear, engine, trans (if a 5-speed) except I have an automatic. I don't
know exactly what it is, but the LR performs FAR SUPERIOR to a stock
trooper, and I'd even go as far as saying ANY other stock vehicle. I've
been out with a friend and his Trooper, and needed to pull him out WHEN
he got stuck (not "if") and when he'd go up a loose rocky steep incline
with lots of ruts, he'd get stuck, and I had to wait at the bottom of
the hill for several minutes while he reversed, turned, spun the tires,
sprayed rocks, etc... Then, I'd just "walk right up" with absolutely NO
problem. One time, I even stopped dead in the same place he had trouble,
then started up again with no problems. It's a combination of the wheel
articulation, tires, (admittedly, his were a little worn, but not that
bad.) and the locking "differential" transfer case. (This, when locked,
divides power equally between front and rear.)

I've owned "Jeeps" and Scouts in the past, but never again! (Unless it's
"dirt cheap" and I want something to trash.)

#=======#                Never doubt that a small group of individuals
|__|__|__\___            can change the world... indeed, it's the only
| _|  |   |_ |}          thing that ever has.
"(_)""""""(_)"                                          -Margaret Mead

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Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 10:19:09 -0500
From: afpgreg@gatekeeper.ddp.state.me.us (Paul V. Gregory)
Subject: Hummers and More Ostentation

        Roverphiles,
        Some recent chat on this newsgroup about Hummers led me to recall
that Lamborghini imported an exotic SUV some ten years ago. What were they
called? How long were they imported?
         I witnessed a gaggle of them in a New Jersey warehouse (all window
stickered with EPA gas mileage estimates beginning with decimal points)
parked alongside even more Lambo Countachs. I believe they both used the
same 12-cylinder engine, and I have a vague notion the SUV had six-wheels,
but I may be wrong (I was at the time more awestruck by the sight of dozens
of the low-flying winged Countachs).
        Anyways, I assumed Lambo's SUV was destined for a market of
well-heeled suburbane guerrillas in need of an all-terrain vehicle that
revvs to 8,000 rpm....real necessary for those white-knucked assaults on
shopping mall speed bumps. 
                                        Snobbishly, 
                                                --Paul, '61 S.II-A owner
       || Real ute owners know an excellent place 
       || to host a habachi bar-be-que party is
       || around a Land Rover's bonnet  
                
         
        

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re:  Diesel woes!!!
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 15:38:09 UNDEFINED

/        The other weekend I was driving along, when all of a sudden there 
/was a load knock comming from the motor.  So I got towed home, and pondered
/the dint in the pocket that this knock was going to cause.  Turns out 
/that the pin that stops the combustion chamber from spinning round had 
/planted it self on the top of no. 2 piston.  But how can that happen I 
/hear you say, as the pin is held in by the head gasket and the block!  

Lucky. It is apparently common for the little indirect combustion chamber to 
fall into the piston on the 2.25s. This happened to a freind of mine and a 
conrod came thru the block. New engine time :(

I am told the 2.5NAs in the 90 have had this fixed by a liillte lip round the 
top of the barrel? Got my fingers crossed.

Whatever. Apparently if you hear a little bell in the engine (Like light 
pinking) STOP NOW. Its trying to warn you......

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
        Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway
+++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Hummers(Hummve) (+)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 15:42:08 UNDEFINED

/To add to this growing bit of trivia, there was an AP (I think) photo in
/the local rag last week showing a long column of Jordanian Army Humvees
/doing their thing in the desert.  The best and most interesting part was
/the Land Rover 90 leading the whole thing.  No fool, that commanding
/officer. 

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm (sorry)

As I understand it, the hummers are excellent except for two things. The 
monster weight makes em sink in tarmac, adn the monster width makes em get 
stuck between continental plates.

Much like the Series one is a better offroad trialer than the 90.............

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
        Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway
+++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Subject: Re: Hummers and More Ostentation
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 15:50:24 +0000 (GMT)
From: Richard Jones <rich@apricot.co.uk>

Paul V. Gregory writes:
>         Roverphiles,
>         Some recent chat on this newsgroup about Hummers led me to recall
> that Lamborghini imported an exotic SUV some ten years ago. What were they
> called? How long were they imported?
none

Wasn't it something like LM02 or am I getting confused

>          I witnessed a gaggle of them in a New Jersey warehouse (all window
> stickered with EPA gas mileage estimates beginning with decimal points)
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> but I may be wrong (I was at the time more awestruck by the sight of dozens
> of the low-flying winged Countachs).

V12 yes, 4 wheels

>         Anyways, I assumed Lambo's SUV was destined for a market of
> well-heeled suburbane guerrillas in need of an all-terrain vehicle that
> revvs to 8,000 rpm....real necessary for those white-knucked assaults on
> shopping mall speed bumps. 

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