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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 95 08:01:13 EST
From: "Lapa, Hank" <hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com>
Subject: Another one "over here"

     All,
     
     I would like to recognize a new arival to our shores of a 109" SW 
     acquired by good friends in Rhode Island, who I hope will soon be 
     subscribers.  After vicariously experiencing a couple of day trips in 
     my own Series II SW, they knew what to do!!  However, if they carry on 
     to amass a large number or autographs from wartime 617 Sqn 
     "Dambusters," or decorate the main room of their home on a 
     Nelson/Trafalgar theme, my jealously guarded individuality will 
     probably be threatened.
     
     By the way, a few days ago, words to the effect of "upgrade from a LWB 
     Series" were used on the list.  I'm afraid I'm one of those who must 
     insist that this is a contradiction in terms.  ;-)
     
     Defiantly anachronistic,
     Hank / 160000663

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Date: 30 Jan 95 08:21:47 EST
From: Pierce Reid <70004.4011@compuserve.com>
Subject: Land Rover in Bud Ad

Greg:

That was a funny ad... though the driver did not fit the mold of any Land Rover
drivers I know...

There is also a front fender of a IIa in an ad for the Outback Steakhouse.

Anyone out there compiling a list of Land Rovers in Advertisements?

Cheers, 

R. P. Reid

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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 07:27:56 -0600
From: Marcus Tooze <tooze@vinny.cecer.army.mil>
Subject: 109 gifs

It would seem that my mailer uuencoded the gifs I sent out to all
who requested!!! So, i don't need to ftp you all the gifs, unless of course
you have trouble decoding!!

Marcus

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Date: 30 Jan 95 08:29:01 EST
From: Pierce Reid <70004.4011@compuserve.com>
Subject: Land Rovers in Movies

Someone was compiling a list of Land Rovers in Movies...  I had a couple to add
that I came across lately:

-- In "Revenge of the Pink Panther", there is a Portuguese-built 88 hardtop
visible for a few seconds at a border crossing.

-- In Stephen King's "Stand By Me" there is a gorgeous 109 safari featured in
both the beginning and the end of the movie.

-- The Made for TV movie about Ross Perot's adventure to rescue his employees
out of Iran has several Land Rovers in it. The escape from Iran is a
cross-country journey in Land Rovers.  It's called  "*Something* of Eagles" and
is pretty bad, but good Land Rover scenes.

-- At the beginning of the movie "Hunt for Red October," the Jack Ryan character
is riding in a Range Rover. 

Cheers, 

R. Pierce Reid

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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 09:42:50 -0500
From: Harold_Wanebo@postoffice.brown.edu (Michael Yablonski)
Subject: kid seats

There was a time, a few short years ago, that the kids did just fine dancin 
around in the back of our RR and volvo wagon.  sometimes, even in the rear 
seat of the volvo sedan.  but that was when our kids had four legs. now we 
are raising the two legged kind and my wifeinsists that they be seated and 
belted whenever the vehicle of choice is started.  my latest volvo wagon has 
a rear facing child seat bringing the total possible internal population 
capability to 7.  I would love to do the same for the RR which can only 
carry 5.  I just saw an add for one in RN for $750.  can i do better than 
that?  maybe someone out there has a used one they'd like to sell  (or 
barter for some four legged kids)?  
i also saw an add for a 4.5 conversion for the RR V8.  has anyone tried  it? 
 how does it feel?  what about mpg?  i don't think i would make the change 
just yet. my '87 RR has 82k on it and still feels brand new.  has adequate 
power for most situations if you don't mind manually shifting the auto 
tranny to get you up into a reasonable torque range ( my RR seems to pull 
nicely at 2200-2500 rpm).  actually the thing that makes it feel lige a dog 
is the torque converter lock up at 39mph.  it would be nice if there was an 
mannual override on that function.

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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 09:48:27 -0500
From: Harold_Wanebo@postoffice.brown.edu (Michael Yablonski)
Subject: kid seats

havin a little trouble with my e-mail...it didn't look like this went out on 
my first try. if it did, then pardon the duplication.  i realize that this 
would be the second time you had to read my message twice.  (had to warn you 
before you went to the doctor for intermittent double vision!)

There was a time, a few short years ago, that the kids did just fine dancin 
around in the back of our RR and volvo wagon.  sometimes, even in the rear 
seat of the volvo sedan.  but that was when our kids had four legs. now we 
are raising the two legged kind and my wifeinsists that they be seated and 
belted whenever the vehicle of choice is started.  my latest volvo wagon has 
a rear facing child seat bringing the total possible internal population 
capability to 7.  I would love to do the same for the RR which can only 
carry 5.  I just saw an add for one in RN for $750.  can i do better than 
that?  maybe someone out there has a used one they'd like to sell  (or 
barter for some four legged kids)?  
i also saw an add for a 4.5 conversion for the RR V8.  has anyone tried  it? 
 how does it feel?  what about mpg?  i don't think i would make the change 
just yet. my '87 RR has 82k on it and still feels brand new.  has adequate 
power for most situations if you don't mind manually shifting the auto 
tranny to get you up into a reasonable torque range ( my RR seems to pull 
nicely at 2200-2500 rpm).  actually the thing that makes it feel lige a dog 
is the torque converter lock up at 39mph.  it would be nice if there was an 
mannual override on that function.

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Timing gear conversions
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 14:18:51 UNDEFINED

Got there in the end.....

The address is Zeus, 8 Devon Units, Budlake Road, Marsh Burton, Exeter, Devon, 
EX2 8PY

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
        Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway
+++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 09:36:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Land Rover in Bud Ad

On 30 Jan 1995, Pierce Reid wrote:

> Anyone out there compiling a list of Land Rovers in Advertisements?

	I am saving all mention to one large text file, but beyond that
	nothing specific yet.  (too little time)

	

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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 09:39:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Land Rovers in Movies

On 30 Jan 1995, Pierce Reid wrote:

> Someone was compiling a list of Land Rovers in Movies...  I had a couple to add
> that I came across lately:

	Several people are actually keeping track...  Myself included.
	Not doing the Television series, you would get crushed under
	the listings once PBS, TVO and others are included.  BTW, for
	Canadian cable viewers, the DIscovery channel is recycling lots
	of really old nature shows & the like.  A cahance to see
	IIA's and III's running about.

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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 09:31:19 EST
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: The never ending trial...

Crimony!  Continued *again*.  By the time this case gets heard, we'll all
be dead and burried!

    *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----*
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    |  Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days)  804-423-4898 (Evenings) |
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 07:28:29 -0800
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Mendo. Forest Recon, Pt. 1

Fellow Netters,

As you may know, Morgan Hannaford and I have been planning a gathering and 
winnowing of Net-Rovers in Mendocino National Forest of Northwestern 
California. The outing is planned for the weekend of the 29th of April of 
1995.  Why then?  Well, we want to get out there before the dust and heat 
and Motorhomes.  And we want to dare the elements.  At that time of year, 
the weather may be warm and sunny, mild and rainy, cold and snowy, sometimes 
all in the same day.  The roads and trails may be relative superhighways or 
reminiscent of the Darien Gap.  All part of the alure.

How did this all start?  Well, Morgan snivelled [Br. sp.] about damaging his 
Land-Rover in pursuit of the rather contrived challenges of a commercial 
off-road park south of the Bay Area.  I asked, why pay for such when a great 
wealth of more natural and inspiring challenges are to be had for the 
asking, up my way, with vast stretches of BLM and USFS lands easily and 
freely accessable.

Well, Morgan was intrigued.  You mean there's a better way to bend a fender 
or to snap the odd axle?  Indeed.  Well, the discussion was net-public and 
piqued the interest of more than a few.  So begins the planning of Mendocino 
Forest Rallye II.  II?  Yes.  For those who are avid readers of the 
_Alumin[i]um_Workhorse_, the term "Snivelers" [U.S. sp.] is most associated 
with the writings of Gordon (Captain Camo) Kallio and John (Bugman) Kirn and 
tales of conquering the deserts of Utah, Nevada, Alta California, and Baja 
California.

But it goes back before all that.  Cap'n Camo (in those days, just plain 
Gordon) and I put together a little four-day, three-night run in the 
Mendocino National Forest on Memorial Day weekend.  I no longer remember 
what year but somewhere around 1985 or so.  We had a great time with some 
real aficionados, including John Kirn, Domingos Dias, Lynn Helm, Dick 
Hamilton, and Don Brittingham (who went as a passenger and, smitten, later 
bought a Land-Rover).  And of course, Gordy and Granny.  The original 
Snivelers.  We experienced the full spectrum of what weather at the end of 
May can be, including several inches of snow.  I was delighted, less so some 
of the desert rats of the group.

And lots of driving, too much driving.  What was lacking was off-roading.  
We did next to none.

So Morgan and I have been discussing how to put together a run which would 
be less ambitious in terms of seeing the whole Forest (its unbelievably 
huge) and yet more accessible to more participants.  So we started to study 
the potential of the southern reaches, readily accessible from State Route 
20 in several places.  As we studied our maps and discussed the 
possbilities, Morgan suggested maybe the two of us should go soon (this was 
back in November, I think) to scout some of the routes, camp sites, and 
off-roading areas.  Before we could both find time to get out there the 
incessant deluges set in.  We have been planning the "scouting outing" for 
"next" weekend, ever since the first of the year. 

And as we planned, somehow a number of other netters got wind of our plans 
and wanted to come along.  And what started as a simple little reconnaisance 
for the April trip took on a life of its own, becoming a quasi-event, so to 
speak.  Tired of putting it off, and with the promise (as of last Monday) of 
clear, dry weather on Friday and Saturday (27 & 28 January), we said, "It's 
time."  So began a surprising amount of effort to coordinate the logistics 
of getting a number of participants to Upper Lake at the same time to head 
off into the great unknown.  

Thursday night I discussed our plans with Mike Woll, a local jeeper who 
knows all the trails backward and forward.  And our plans immediately 
changed.  Route M10 that we had planned to take would be impassible, due to 
high water in Bear Creek.  But Mike had other suggestions for good routes.  
Friday, I drove to the ranger station at Upper Lake to get a new map and the 
latest poop on any road closures.

Some who were going fell away, alas, before it began.  Don Brittingham 
simply changed his mind.  Gerry and Lilly Mugele headed out but had to turn 
back before they got far from home, due to a recalcitrant alternator 
(Genuine Joe, of course).  Walt Swain turned up, with John Hess in tow, but 
surprisingly in Walt's Toy pickemup, not in their illustrious 109s.  I 
should talk; with five Land-Rovers to my name, I didn't have one that was up 
to the trip and had to resort to my DOdGe.  But, bless 'em, Morgan, Vance 
Chin, Jory Bell, and Jim Russell made us proud with four outstanding 
examples of Solihull's finest.  And they all made it home, as far as I know, 
despite veiled threats to the contrary from a couple of them (the Rovers, 
that is).

Despite our promises to meet at Upper Lake by about 9:30 A.M., it was about 
11:00 before we actually turned off the pavement and started to embellish 
our flanks with tasteful increments of mud spatters and brush stripes.  We 
had all assembled at the OHV trailhead camp at Middle Creek.  We saw that it 
did not suit our image of a camp for Net-Rovers.  So we moved on.  
Eventually, we headed off the tarmac on Lower Deer Valley Road.  Our first 
order of business was to check out the Deer Valley Campground.  It is a very 
nice spot which should quite comfortably accommodate all who may come along 
in April.

And so began our scouting outing.  Stay tooned for all the juicy details.

Granville

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Date: 30 Jan 95 11:29:54 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: winches, tires etc. and Discos

In a message of Thu 26 Jan  Henry B. Wilson (wilsonhb@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu)
had mentioned:

> On to tires--I look with jealosy at the tires on the Defender 90s--I would
> surely have to make some modifications to put these on the Disco.  Probably
> a body lift for one--how do you this?  Gearing, too.  What gears would I
> have to change and are they available.

Can't say much about the Disco, but I have a few words on this topic with
regards to the Range Rover, and you might draw your conclusions from there,
in the sense that the problems having presented themselves with the Range
will *at least* be present if you try the same on a Disco - maybe more.

Some gentle list members might recall that a few weeks ago I bragged about
how I fitted BFG 235/85 tires on a '87 Range Rover with what I hoped would
be minimal conversions, i.e. cutting away parts of the front spoiler,
putting regular RR diesel springs up front and HD springs in the rear,
lifting the rear by 2" with a distance piece under the top spring mount,
but otherwise retaining the stock parts, esp. the regular shocks. Well,
I humbly must admit that meanwhile I did run into a few more problems, and
I thought I'd let you in on it.
It turned out that up front, the wheel stop (max.steering lock) had to be
limited in such a way that my turnaround radius now is almost that of a
S.III 109 - no more quick nimble parking into narrow spaces. This became
necessary because the tires, on full upward articulation and with steering
fully locked, would get contact with the radius arms. This problem might
subside as tread wears off. Other than that, all is well in the front.
The rear suspension, however, presents several problems. Extensive offroad
testing has revealed that for the combination HD-springs + 2"-lift the RR
stock rear shocks are a) to short, and b) far to weak. The rear bounces
around like a rubber ball, and on every medium-sized bump the axle is
violently stopped in its downward movement by the shocks - bang! (ouch)
Taking longer shocks with more travel is also a problem, because then the
upward moving axle is likely to slam into the fully compressed shocks
before having reached the rubber bump stops of the chassis. So, what we did:
Get a pair of HD shocks (Monroe in this case) of the same length, but have
an adapter made to extend the lower mounting thread of the shock by the same
2" that the beast was initially lifted. Ok, this problem solved.
*But* : Now when the rear springs are fully extended, i.e. max. downward
movement of the axle, the rear propshaft is extended at the sliding joint
to the point where it just barely hangs on by a few millimeters. Not so
good. One solution would be to get a custom made longer propshaft ($$$ !@*#)
Our 'cheapo' solution was to make yet another distance piece 1" thick that
comes between the propshaft flange and the diff, naturally using longer bolts.
For material we chose a hard aviation specs aluminum alloy which we had
precision crafted by a specialized workshop so as to eliminate any, er,
excentric momentum or 'wobble', if you know what I mean. How long will this
contraption last? Place your bets...
As for gearing, with the V8 I dont't find it necessary to change anything.
OK, acceleration doesn't have quite as much 'bite' as before, but I
personally, having upgraded from a S.III 4-cyl, am still happy and grateful
with the torque and power I'm left with. With the TDi, I would suspect the
torque/power lag to be more noticeable. Maybe swapping for S.III 88" diffs
would do the trick (yes, they fit!), it certainly would be the cheapest
solution. But it would leave you with rather vulnerable half shafts. The
'proper' way to go about it would be to change the gearing of the transfer
case.

The bigfoot-saga continues...

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 18:54:16 +12000
From: William Smith <wills@spl.co.za>
Subject: New User : William Smith

Hi,
I am the proud owner of a 1979 Series III, 2 door, 4 cyl. petrol. I've 
made an effort to take her back to factory standards.
As a member of the Four Wheel Drive Club of Southern Africa I get information
on trips around South Africa and neighbouring countries, like Botswana 
   (Okavango Swamps ?), etc.
Land Rover's are pretty common here, although newer models like the Defender
and Discovery are VERY expensive due to import duties.

  ------------------------------------------------------------------
  William Smith                 Email: wills@SPLinux.spl.co.za
  SPL                           Voice: +27 (0)11 322 2117
  Johannesburg                  Fax  : +27 (0)11 322 2232
  South Africa                  Pager: +27 (0)11 650 5050 Code 72001
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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Manual Frame Lube
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 95 17:57:32 EST

>         In welcoming Chris Whitehead to the hallowed halls of Roverdom
> yesterday, Leslie Studsman urged Chris to keep his Landy's frame oiled.
> Perhaps it's been discussed already, but what's the best way to do this
> without 1) contaminating one's own ground-based drinking water supply and 2)
> earning the wrath of regional  environmental protection agencies. 

as for 1), just do it in the neighbor's driveway when he isn't around,
then for 2) the authorities will just bother him and not you.

rd/nigel

ps you could always just lay out some paper, plastic, etc....old horse feed
bags come in handy for me.

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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 23:23:34 +0100
From: caloccia@team.net (Bill Caloccia)
Subject: sending to the list - how to read the responses...

>havin a little trouble with my e-mail...it didn't look like this went out on 
>my first try. if it did, then pardon the duplication. 

It got out ok.
---------------------------------
For those of you not so familliar with Electronic Mail:

In general, it is not unusual to get a 'bounced' message from some user on 
the list whose mailer is acting up.  If you receive a bounce that is from
an end-user system (it will contain your message) then one of the lines in
the middle of the header will be something like this:

> Received: from transfer.stratus.com 
> by chunnel.uk.stratus.com
> for <Land-Rover-Owner@uk.stratus.com>

   Basically, this says that the message reached 'chunnel.uk.stratus.com'
   which, in reality is our mail server working the smoke and mirrors for
        Major Domo and Land Rover Owner @team.net

        In reality it is a bit more verbose:

>       Received: from transfer.stratus.com (transfer.stratus.com               
        [134.111.1.10]) by chunnel.uk.stratus.com (8.6.7/8.6.6) with ESMTP id  
        NAA06067 for <Land-Rover-Owner@uk.stratus.com>; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 
        13:47:25 GMT

If however, you get a bounce from your own host, or you get a bounce that
says something to the effect that
        majordomo or land-rover-owner  is unreachable or unknown,
then most likely there is some sort of major problem getting to the list
or Major Domo.  What to do ?  Have a cuppa and hope I figure it out.

--------------------

Most of the downstream bounces will be because some user or host is or has
become unknown.  Some of them will be warnings that the connection is 
'unavailable' at this time.
-----------------
When I receive a user or host unknown message, it usually means that the
user will be bumped from the real-time list to the digest, and a digest user
gets bumped into the void.  When you get your mail sorted out, then 
re-subscribe,  Majordomo _will_ send a response back to you, it is his passion,
his sole role in life, he's under orders...  If you don't respones from him
then you can rest assured there is some sort of mail problem getting to your site, at least from his point of view, and being a commanding sort of fellow, he doesn't ask for second opinions. :-)
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    Cheers,
        --bill  caloccia@Team.Net       caloccia@Stratus.Com

      1  3     dl OD  L           "Land Rover's first, becuase
      |--|--+  o  |   |            Land Rovers last."
      2  4  R     N   H           '72 Range Rover

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: OD whines
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 95 18:40:15 EST

>  molibdium-disulfide......*Thats* the anti scuff-stuff...(You would, of 
> course,*spell* it correctly..)Most parts places sell this as "Super-Moly" 
> or some such.....It is sold as some kind of a "Gee-Whizz-Golly-Gosh" fix 
> all....It isn't (I tried to grow hair with it and it didn't do that 
> ;-)..) but it is just the ticket for overdrives.....

That's it! It was on the tip of my tongue.  But, you've spelled it 
incorrectly...it is molybdenum disulfide...let's look it up in the 
Aldrich catalog...there it is...aka molybdenum sulfide (MoS2)...
100g/$25.55.

don't tell me chemists are worthless,
rd/nige

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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 95 16:25:24 PST
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: London area RR Goodie Shops

I'm about to leave for Merrie Englande, home of my forefathers, and
wondered if any of you netters could recommend any interesting
places in the London area (accessible by public transport)
places to visit where varieties of booty intended for Range Rovers
might be seen and/or purchased if I get into a spending mood. Or any
other places of interest to Roverers. 

I will probably stay near Windsor most of the time.

Many thanks

John Brabyn
89RR

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From: ChipEast@aol.com
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 20:47:07 -0500
Subject: New member

As a new subscriber to the LRO Digest, let me breifly introduce myself.

I own a 1967 Ser IIa 88 Suffix D, Red with the original plain top and a back
door instead of a tailgate. I am the third owner of theis wonderful vehicle
that was brought into the states throught Maimi in December of 1966.  I, as
most other owners, do most of my own work on the Rover and enjoy the
love-hate relationship this causes.  My Rover has never left me stranded in
the seven years I have owned it but I must admit to carrying my full tool box
in the back at all times.

I am a freelance photojournalist in Charlotte, NC, USA and currently have a
1978 280 Se Mercedes sedan as my other project as well as my road car.

Please feel free to correspond directly with me at 
             ChipEast@AOL.com
about any relevant topics.

Thanks again for the warm welcome and I hope to gain from this vast source of
knowledge.

Chip.

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From: sohearn@InterServ.Com
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 95 17:47:15 PST
Subject: New 90 Soft Top

Saw the new 90 soft top today. Looks ok but without the alpine windows it's,
well, different. Nice zippers and windows. The top fitted very well to the
body but there was a very large gap at the rear of the driver's door top. It
didn't look like there was any way to close the gap either. These tops can
be retrofitted to '94 Defenders with a kit. The '95s have the door tops as
standard equipment. Warranty replacement is still with a like top. In other
words a Tickford will be replaced with a Tickford.

- Stephen

+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Stephen O'Hearn            1994           LAND-            Tread Lightly |
| El Segundo, CA, USA      DEFENDER           -ROVER         on Public and |
| sohearn@interserv.com       90        The Best 4x4xFar     Private Lands |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 23:24:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Land Rover in Bud Ad

> > Anyone out there compiling a list of Land Rovers in Advertisements?
none

Dec 1994 issue of "PC WORLD".. there is a Mobilink (cellular phone stuff) ad
showing what looks like a SerIII 88 in a swamp, not quite up to the hubs in
water.. some oriental guy standing up on the front seat, talking on a
cellular phone. 

Oct 1991 issue of "Apparel Industry Magazine" had an article on casual pants
which had a copy of an ad which showed a SerIII SANTANA with some bozo on
the bonnet leaning against the windscreen. Someone was confused - there is a
grill badge with a Union Jack on the Santana!

1989 - some womans magazine (haven't a clue as to what one) had an ad for
Hunt's Tomato Sauce - Hunt's Great American Cooks. Insert B&W photo shows a
SerIII (maybe a 109?) - a bit mud spattered with a short woman leaning
against the left front wing. Text above the photo reads "This is Janet Hill.
Co-founder of a 4-wheeler club. Pianist at church. She uses Hunt's."

Cheers
Mike

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 23:25:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Land Rovers in Movies

Pierce Reid sez...

> Someone was compiling a list of Land Rovers in Movies...  I had a couple
> to ad that I came across lately:
-----snip-----
> -- In Stephen King's "Stand By Me" there is a gorgeous 109 safari featured
> in both the beginning and the end of the movie.

Someone on the 'net owns that Rover.. I can't remember who but I had
exchanged a few messages with him last year...

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Another movie - in the opening scenes of "Close Encounters" there is a shot
of a Rover driving through some sort of sandstorm...

Cheers
Mike

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From: jpappa01@InterServ.Com
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 95 20:58:19 PST
Subject: Re: 	Available DISCOS

Dear all:

I humbly apologize for posting a commercially-oriented message yesterday about 
two available DISCOS for sale. My excitement concerning this rare occurrence 
clouded my sense of protocol. Again, I say "sorry chaps." Both units vaporized 
before I even had a chance to followup, anyway.

In the future, I will try and get this information to everyone through a 
non-vested third party.

See ya.

Jim
roverheadus sinceretamus luvdemdiscoz

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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 21:50:33 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Another one "over here"

>     By the way, a few days ago, words to the effect of "upgrade from a LWB 
>     Series" were used on the list.  I'm afraid I'm one of those who must 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>     Defiantly anachronistic,
>     Hank / 160000663

I'm *sure* this must have been a typo.  It should have been "upgrade *to* a 
LWB".

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 21:50:36 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Land Rover in Bud Ad

I was watch the game with some friends, one of whom is a former (not by 
choice) LRO.  I asked if he wanted to buy another one, and he was about to 
say something to the effect of "yes, how much", when his wife answered "no." 
 Oh well.   

P.S.  I think it's not so much the Land Rover itself, as the cost and the 
fact that he's got a kharmann-ghia that he needs to get running first.  (They 
live in an apartment in SF, so no fields to park cards in.)

P.P.S., as he's one of my personal cultural heroes (as a boy, he wouldn't say 
the boy scout oath unless he could leave out the part about God), I'd love to 
see him get another one.  Then, he could be another famous (soon) actor who 
owned an LR.

P.P.P.S.  Sorry to babble...

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 21:50:30 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Bud ad with Land Rover

>Wow!  Bud actually used a Landy in their Superbowl ad.  Does anyone know 
>who owns it?  etc.  Too bad it wasn't a Newcastle or Guiness ad..... oh
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>'71 Series IIA 88
>Connecticut, USA

I saw that too...  Almost made it worth sitting through the dumb thing.  
(notafan)  Kind of unbelievable, though.  Certainly, a Land Rover Owner would 
have better taste than to be drinking bud!

Also, they were bottles of bud.  Mind you, I'll be the first to turn my nose 
up at cans under normal situations, but does anyone else know what happens to 
bottles of beer in coolers on top of Land Rovers?  I'd rather have beer in 
cans, than no beer at all...

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 23:05:12 -0800
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Mendo. Forest Recon, Pt. 2

Well, fans,

Having enjoyed the site of the lovely camp at Deer Valley (inexplicably on a 
ridge) and with the taste of that first waterbarred trail still rolling 
around in our mouths (unlike the dust that the trail will offer as reward 
for the unwary in the dry season), we began the next leg.  

Did I mention the weather?  As those readers who live in Alta California del 
Norte are aware, the promised fair weather did not materialize.  Friday was 
supposed to be sunny (to dry out the trails for us) and instead rained quite 
steadily.  But we do count ourselves lucky, as Saturday delivered nothing 
worse than intermittent drizzle.  Enough, though, to make the road surfaces 
"interesting."  Together with hefty waterbars, some fairly steep grades, 
fallen trees cut out of the road at Land-Rover width plus an inch or so, and 
occasionally minimal visibility, we had to stay alert.

Oh, yes, and the unmarked roads, the marked roads which were not on the 
maps, and other idiosyncratic workings of the great federal forest service.  
We were ostensibly headed to a lovely spot called Twin Valleys and on to 
Bartlett Springs, Pinnacle Rock, and Bartlett Mountain.  This route would 
take us out to Highway 20 a few miles east of Upper Lake.  But I had the 
only marked-up map.  Morgan and I had discussed the route and he had the 
same map (minus the marked route) but there turned out to be another route 
which headed to the highway sooner and, unfortunately, that's the one took.  
I saw the sign, stopped to check my map, and realized the mistake.  Only I 
was the last vehicle in line and had no CB (stolen out of my Land-Rover).  
Now I was way behind, too.  Eventually I caught up, got Vance's attention, 
and he radioed Morgan and got everybody turned around.  

We went back to the fork and headed up French Ridge and on to Horse 
Mountain.  Pretty enough but the clouds we were often in obscured much of 
the view.  We were kept pretty busy anyway with staying on the road and 
avoiding the grille bending (Jim) and mirror housing breaking (me) brush.  
When we came to the next major intersection, we confered and decided to 
alter our route.  By turning left instead of right, we could get back up on 
M10, east of Bear Creek, and go on to Letts Lake, after all.  We had made 
good progress, despite our late start.  We were beginning to feel invincible.

So we headed up the trail.  Then we headed down the trail.  It came to Salt 
Creek, one of the many minor tributaries to Bear Creek. Wow!  If this is a 
little creek, what must Bear Creek look like when it crosses M10?  Without 
hesitation, Jory took off most of his clothes and waded in with a long 
stick, to measure the depth.  About two and a half feet and swift.  Maybe 
the Land-Rovers could have done it (Morgan's, anyway) but not my Dodge and 
with no winch among us, no one was game to chance it.

So we did the logical thing and ate lunch.  For about an hour and a half.  
It happened to be dry during this time and the temperature was fairly warm.  
Very pleasant but we eventually got ourselves on the move again and took the 
other turn, down the trail to Twin Valleys, as originally intended.  But we 
didn't get too far.  On the far side of a very lovely meadow, just short of 
the improbable "Wild Bill Place," we came to another creek, Wild Bill Creek, 
naturally.  Made Salt Creek look hella puny.  This time Morgan waded in 
(just a little way from the bank, mind you) and stuck his D-handled shovel 
into the water.  It flat disappeared, handle and all. So how deep was the 
center?  Say, maybe four feet or so?  Where are the Unimogs when you really 
need them?  

So now what?  Are we feeling vincible now?  Shall we turn back, head for 
home?  Nahhh, it wasn't all that late yet and we had developed an appetite 
(however unrealistic) for getting to Letts Lake.  Well, you see, Mikey had 
told me about this 4WD trail to Sylar Springs, up the side of Goat Mountain, 
climbing several thousand feet in about as many horizontal.  Should we?  
Could we?

Find out in Part III...

Granville Pool, Redwood Valley, CA "Road-I-Land-Rovers"

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