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Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 02:32:17 -0800
From: jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell)
Subject: Re: Ignition woes (add. info)

>that I now have something to help you help me. I reset the timing today,
>bypassed the ballast resistor (ignition now straight to coil), and regapped
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>to the driveway with his '74 Mercedes 240 diesel (64hp). It drove better
>than usual actually while it ran. So what do you think?

Probably unrelated but:

I once had a persistent problem of similar description. After trying
everything under the sun, I eventually discovered the fuel pickup tube in
the tank was corroded almost closed, thus limiting maximum flow.
Additionally, as I drove, little bits of stuff would get sucked into the
tube and further gum stuff up until the rover just stalled (for a long time
I thought it was overheating or vapor lock or somesuch). Sitting for a
while would allow these to fal back into the tank setting up a cycle of
endless annoyance...

-jory

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From: Mr Ian Stuart <IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:22:53 +0000
Subject: Re: SLROC membership prices

> > Scottish Land Rover Owners Club : 10.00 (4 issues of Club Mag.)
> Do you know if they have a seperate rate for overseas?? (I.E. US) The club
> doesn't have any kind of window stickers, do they? (Would look great next to
> the "Up Yer Kilt" sticker in my back window!!) 
none
Our price appears to be the same for all members (our overseas members 
tend not to paricipate too often :)

Here are a few contacts (PLEASE RESPECT UK Hours!)

Membership Secretary: Sheila Wilson:	+44 436 820 710 (home)
				{Address available from the Web}

Competition Secretary: Ron Murdoch.	+44 875 820 758 (home)
								+44 131 663 0564 (work)

RTV secretary & Scrutineer: Alex lindsay	+44 506 854 827 (work)

Green Road Officer: Sandy Young		+44 141 632 9767 (home)

Club Shop: Kenny Gilmour			+44 506 854 086 (home)

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
WWW sites: Work -- <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/>      
           Play -- <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>
#======================================================================#
To men, a hobby is making something or taking something to pieces.
At the very least, it involves rolling in mud & the possibility of
   fracturing a bone.                                  "She" Magazine

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: RR frame drain holes
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 95 6:35:19 PST

YES,
The small rubber gromets om tjhe doors plug up, and are useless
Just remove them and toss.

Russ Burns
91 R-Rover
94 D-90
> I've seen advice to remove drain plugs from the frames of various Land Rovers
> to minimize frame rust.  Does the same apply to Range Rovers?  I've found it
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> -Matt
> '88 RR

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: RR aux. driving lights
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 95 6:39:53 PST

On my 91 the aux light only come on with the low beams. As I have
riped off a couple of sets of fog lights, I have replaced the
low mounted fogs with a set of driving lights. This gives me a 
high beem (aux lights), and the low beam combo. I have not looked into
the relay circuitry yet, But I can imagine it is designed in grand Lucas
style....

Russ Burns
91 R-Rover
94 D-90

> >From their placement and the fact that they're wired to operate only when the
> high beams are on, I assume their purpose is to increase the visibility of the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
> -Matt
> '88 RR

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Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 09:45:16 -0500
From: rparker@tiac.net (Randy Parker)
Subject: 12K mile oil change for V8??

In a well-known book on Discos, the author states that the oil change
interval for the V8 engine is 12,000 miles.    Does anyone know why this
claim is made?  I've always been under an assumption that this engine
preferred an oil change every 3,000 miles. 

Thanks,

-- Randy Parker, NoteSystems   <rparker@tiac.net>

(The book in question is James Taylor's very good book "Land Rover
Discovery: An Enthusiast's Companion" -- ISBN: 0-947981-79-9, published
1994.   See last sentence on p. 63.)

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: My First Landy!
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 95 6:50:09 PST

> I had met Bill on the LRNA rocky mountain trip to Moab in August, and had kept
> his number handy,  (BTW, Hi Tom Mills, IUve got a great photo of you wearing a
ke, > groovy turban).

Mike,
Are you the gentleman who we picked up hitch hiking at poison spider 
mesa trail?? We had the blue Range Rover, and stuck you in the back
seat with my daughter.

Good luck with the new car, Hope to see it on a trail soon..

Russ Burns

91 R-Rover
94 D-90

> I had met Bill on the LRNA rocky mountain trip to Moab in August, and had kept

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From: Steve Methley <sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
Subject: diffs
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 95 15:00:04 GMT

marcus@dcs.qmw.ac.uk:
Subject: Rear differential woes...

... plea for advice on the possible causes of a total loss
of drive from the rear (Rover) differential on my 1970 LWB Station
..didn't get too many responses, if truth be told, but among the few I
received was one suggestion that the crownwheel bolts had sheered...
..and when I took the diff out, I did indeed find that all 10 had
sheared...

Nice to know I was right.  In addition Bill Leacock's comments are
well worth noting.  The diff I broke the bolts in had BSF bolts w/o
locking tabs....

Cheers,
Steve.

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Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 10:10:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: RR frame drain holes

On 23 Jan 1995, Matt Snyder/NV/MO wrote:

> I've seen advice to remove drain plugs from the frames of various Land Rovers
> to minimize frame rust.  Does the same apply to Range Rovers?  

	No idea.  Never seen a drain plug anywhere on a Series Land Rover 
	frame, just largish holes for water to run out of.

	Rgds,

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From: Kelly Minnick <minnick@joker.chinalake.navy.mil>
Subject: Re: Hi-Ratio Box
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 95 7:35:39 PST

RE:Hi-ratio gear box
I don't know when exactly they changed the internal ratios of the gear box.
Can anyone else out there help?
Kelly Minnick  '73 88" Safari
Ridgecrest, CA

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Date: 23 Jan 95 10:48:32 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: My First Landy!

Mike Slade is enticed...

> Overdrive-  Is it best to use it as a half-gear between 3rd and 4th when
> driving an incline, or not.  A few OD pointers would be appreciated.

The OD is designed and meant *only* as a long 5th gear for straight on-road
cruising - nothing else. Ok, if the situation demands it, it can also be
used to 'split gears', as you suggest; but this should be the exception
rather than the rule. And NEVER EVER engage OD in low ratio, or when hauling
heavy loads. The OD is a nifty appliance, but unforgiving if abused.

> Clutch- Master cylinder drips fluid down the pedal and onto the floormats

If the clutch master is that shot, throw it out. Rebuilding it would be a
waste of time and money, the improvement would only be temporary.

Have fun!

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Date: 23 Jan 95 10:49:29 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: RR aux. driving lights & caveats

Matt sees the light...

> From their placement and the fact that they're wired to operate only when the
> high beams are on, I assume their purpose is to increase the visibility of the

Weird; with the '87 Range I purchased not long ago, it's the other way
around: When I go on high beam, the aux lights go off. Makes sense IMO, cuz'
the low-and-wide beam of the aux lights is particularly useful in fog, and
you don't want to be driving into a 'white wall' which is invariably what
you get when driving in fog with high beam on. Maybe a PO already rewired
it, or german specs require it to be wired this way. Or maybe at Solihull,
just for kicks, on even days they wire it this-a-way, and on uneven...
Go figure.

As for leaking power steering, I would consider it the Range Rovers' (and
Discovery's, for that matter) equivalent of the 'leaking gearbox syndrome'
of the Series Land Rovers: It's just the way it is. I've never, ever seen
a Range or Disco which, after its first winter with sub-zero temperatures,
didn't have a 'wet' steering box. As long as it doesn't dribble over your
shoes or foul your driveway, I wouldn't worry about it, just bleed the power
steering system now and then and keep the reservoir topped up. It's part of
the fun of driving a Rover... Of course this doesn't meen that you shouldn't
use the 'leaking power steering' as a forceful argument to bring down the
price when negotiating the purchase of a used RR ;-)  But don't let it put
you off.

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 07:56:45 -0800
From: Daniel Jeffrey Shih <danshih@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Defender 110 Question

Does anyone know about how many 110s there are in the U.S.?  I'm also
very interested in how much these beauties go for on the market, especially
since new ones are no longer available here!

Thanks a bunch.

--Dan
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Daniel Jeffrey Shih                danshih@leland.stanford.edu              
 Department of Economics            http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~danshih  

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: FW: UUCP delivery error
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 95 10:21:00 EST

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From: POSTMASTER
Subject: UUCP delivery error
Date: Monday, January 23, 1995 9:29AM

From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Superbase Ad
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 95 09:04:00 EST
Message-ID: <2F23AAD6@DQC.DOFASCO.CA>
Encoding: 5 TEXT
X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0

I have now laminated and mounted the original ad which looks great. Trade
offers for the laminated flyer (14Hx22W with 9in. high Rover) are invited
contact me at      TEASTON@dqc2.dofasco.ca

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: Defender 110 Question
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 95 8:27:48 PST

There were 500 improted by LRONA.
I have seen used ones adverised in the 40k+ range.

Russ Burns
> Does anyone know about how many 110s there are in the U.S.?  I'm also
> very interested in how much these beauties go for on the market, especially
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
>  Daniel Jeffrey Shih                danshih@leland.stanford.edu              
>  Department of Economics            http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~danshih  

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: OVLR Newsletter
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 95 16:39:14 GMT

Dixon,
Got the latest newsletter,thanks.Brilliant! The drawings are
to a magnificent standard.Wouldnt be surprised if they dont
get framed.Best issue yet!Dont know when it was posted,perhaps
you'd better tell Communist Post to stop using the bull mooses
hoofprint as a postmark.Or at least find another moose.Not a
lot of good as a date stamp.Anyway,it arrived this morning.

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: Defender 110 Question
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 09:45:22 -0700 (MST)

Daniel Shih asks: 
< Does anyone know about how many 110s there are in the U.S.?  I'm also
< very interested in how much these beauties go for on the market, especially
< since new ones are no longer available here!
none

A limited edition of 500 were sold in 1993.  All were white, but I've 
already seen one repainted in jungle camouflage.  Quite a few have 
changed hands already, but don't expect the value to depreciate fast.  I 
recently saw six of them at once in the Denver dealer's service lot.  
(Does that mean a critical component self-destructs after 2 years?)  Any 
others beside the 500 would be an extreme rarity.

T. F. Mills                                              tomills@du.edu
University of Denver Library  2150 E. Evans Ave.  Denver  CO 80208  USA

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Test can some one send me a response?
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 95 8:46:07 PST

Thanks,
I am not sure if my responses are getting out.

Russ Burns

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Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 17:47:11 +0200 (METDST)
From: S|ren Vels Christensen <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
Subject: Re: RR frame drain holes

On Mon, 23 Jan 1995, Dixon Kenner wrote:

> On 23 Jan 1995, Matt Snyder/NV/MO wrote:
> > I've seen advice to remove drain plugs from the frames of various Land Rovers
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> 	frame, just largish holes for water to run out of.
> 	Rgds,
 
I,ve seen largish holes from water not running out. On Aurens for instance.

Rgds
SV/Lawrence

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: Test, Thanks all is well, but my typing.
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 95 9:19:02 PST

Thanks

k> 
> > Thanks,
> > I am not sure if my responses are getting out.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> > I am not sure if my responses are getting out.
> > Russ Burns

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Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 13:28:11 -0500
From: Harold_Wanebo@postoffice.brown.edu (Michael Yablonski)
Subject: Ignition problems

Hi,
i'm Michael, new to the lro digest. I have a 1987 Range Rover bought in 1992 
with 44,000 mi. on it.  Had a few problems but overall I LOVE IT!  Got real 
wet once though, can someone tell me why they put the brains under the 
passenger seat?  Its a bitch to find that out by openning the passenger door 
in three feet of water! (thought it was just a foot deep, but the bottom 
which I could see very well through the spring fed water turned out to be 
two more feet of something the texture of yogurt!).

anyway, regarding those ignition woes, both the coil and the condensor could 
have temperature related failures.  I've experienced both.  You guessed it, 
A Healey 3000 and a Sprite.  Must be a Brittish thing.  No way to test it 
for sure, but if it runs fine then dies, could be the problem.  The Sprite 
had a situation I've only seen once.  It would blow condensors every two 
weeks or so.  Could be voltage regulator not regulating or some other 
voltage surge that was doing it. Was gonna replace the charging works, but a 
rather large plymouth made that change unnecessary (ouch!).  Your 
description of a backfire could be a clue.  if it popped out of the tail, 
most likely you lost spark a few strokes earlier and dumped raw gas into the 
pipes. If it popped thru the carb, I would suspect the condensor.  In the 
Sprite, a few carb pops was the warning I would get about ten miles before 
it was dead. Just enough time to get closer to hame and to find a phone.  
The popping, kicking, bucking, etc would escalate to the point that i could 
maintain about fifteen miles/hr for the last mile or so, makin a hell of a 
racket.  
hope this helps.

Michael Yablonski
using my bosses account at Brown U
Harold_Wanebo@Brown.edu 

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Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 13:35:06 -0500
From: Harold_Wanebo@postoffice.brown.edu (Michael Yablonski)
Subject: Ignition problems

Hi,
i'm Michael, new to the lro digest. I have a 1987 Range Rover bought in 1992 
with 44,000 mi. on it.  Had a few problems but overall I LOVE IT!  Got real 
wet once though, can someone tell me why they put the brains under the 
passenger seat?  Its a bitch to find that out by openning the passenger door 
in three feet of water! (thought it was just a foot deep, but the bottom 
which I could see very well through the spring fed water turned out to be 
two more feet of something the texture of yogurt!).

anyway, regarding those ignition woes, both the coil and the condensor could 
have temperature related failures.  I've experienced both.  You guessed it, 
A Healey 3000 and a Sprite.  Must be a Brittish thing.  No way to test it 
for sure, but if it runs fine then dies, could be the problem.  The Sprite 
had a situation I've only seen once.  It would blow condensors every two 
weeks or so.  Could be voltage regulator not regulating or some other 
voltage surge that was doing it. Was gonna replace the charging works, but a 
rather large plymouth made that change unnecessary (ouch!).  Your 
description of a backfire could be a clue.  if it popped out of the tail, 
most likely you lost spark a few strokes earlier and dumped raw gas into the 
pipes. If it popped thru the carb, I would suspect the condensor.  In the 
Sprite, a few carb pops was the warning I would get about ten miles before 
it was dead. Just enough time to get closer to hame and to find a phone.  
The popping, kicking, bucking, etc would escalate to the point that i could 
maintain about fifteen miles/hr for the last mile or so, makin a hell of a 
racket.  
hope this helps.

Michael Yablonski
using my bosses account at Brown U
Harold_Wanebo@Brown.edu 

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Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 09:49:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Morgan Hannaford <morgan@nature.Berkeley.EDU>
Subject: Re: Defender 110 Question

Daniel,

The S.F. Chron. had an add for a US 110 at Cole European (Concord)
last time I checked (yesterday).  Probably ~$40K......

Good luck,

Morgan

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Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 13:29:38 -0500
From: rwegner@fimage.synapse.net (Richard Wegner)
Subject: New Landy & more Land Rovers for sale

Congrats to you Michael Slade, sounds like your having fun with your new
landy now! The Rover tends to bring out the ol love/hate relationship in
its owners!

Clutch-  Master cylinder
Suggest you have a look at it as soon as possible! You may want to try
replacing the original brake fluid with Silicone Brake Fluid after your
rebuild. It is non-hydroscopic (doesn't absorb water) so it doesn't corrode
insides of master cylinders and wheel cylinders, and best of all it doesn't
eat paint or rubber soles on your boots. Have had it in my Rover for the
last 5-6 yrs or so.

I just had the 73 SIII out for some exercise yesterday in the snow (and
mud! Wish it would get cold and freeze again!), had a great time, with my 8
yr old son Jason, and our old English Sheepdog, Toby in the back. Great
fun!

Forwarding this from the british sports car list for those who may not have
seen it. If I were in Virginia I'd be tempted to take a look at the diesel!

Cheers!

Richard

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Subject: Land Rovers for sale

One can read the classifieds in the "Roanoke Times and World News" for a
decade with nary a single Land Rover appearing.   Southwest Virginia
isn't known for diversity in 4x4s.   This weekend there were 2!

One was a 67 diesel with 33,000 original miles, excellent condition, the
other was an early 70's (71,2,3 - I forget) 109 pickup, rare (??),
excellent condition, 3/4 and full tops available.  No prices were listed.

I can't afford these at any price while rebuilding the bugeye.  But I'll
pass along any infomation to any of you who maybe can afford them...

Pete Andrews                    1959 AH Sprite Mk1  AN5L/18575
andrews_pf@salem.ge.com         1961 AH Sprite MK1  AN5L/44591

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Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 10:49:11 +0800
From: William.Grouell@Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell)
Subject: Re: My First Landy!

>Overdrive-  Is it best to use it as a half-gear between 3rd and 4th when
>driving an incline, or not.  A few OD pointers would be appreciated.

> Clutch-  Master cylinder drips fluid down the pedal and onto the floormats and
> my boot...  Any suggestions?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> Michael Slade
> SLCN3@CC.USU.EDU
  WRT overdrive; Just use it anyway that keeps the engine RPM in the area that
"feels good". I have used mine for seveal years this way with no problems. 
Use it between 3rd and 4th on a long hill, use it in low range, what ever. 
It's just another gear.

 WRT clutch leaks; PO no doubt put wrong fluid in it. Now you must rebuild 
both systems and use ONLY Castrol LMA.

Regards, Bill G.

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Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 14:49:17 EST
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: This 'n' that...

WRT the thread on sheep dogs, I got a border collie off a working farm as a
pup.  From the earliest, he would herd all the neighborhood kids into a
clot and would try his damndest to try to herd cats...however, there is
nothing more pointless in this world than herding cats!  He's smart enough
so that if he could work vice-grips, he could probably replace window
channels! (And yes, his name is Lucas).

Mike Kenrick write with problems with the ABS EC unit...somewhere I read or
heard that the most common problem is the individual wheel sensors simply
come loose or indeed fall out completely.  I gather that they are simple IR
sensors, kind of like the pickups on electronic ignition.  Check/wiggle all
sensors first.

Bill C. writes about "skid schools".  Jean-Peal Luc has opened an east
coast branch of his famed ice driving school at Killington.  I had the
great pleasure of having a (free!) day's instruction at Steamboat several
years ago, and it was a load of fun...even if you have to drive Fords.
Learned a bunch, too, especially on braking techniques and how to make
panic stops on ice too slick to walk on.  Mash down hard on the pedal to
lock the wheels, then just as quick, release them to roll again, cycling
through this lock-release-lock motion at a frequency to suit the situation,
in the process, imitating ABS brakes.  Tires can only do one thing at a
time( i.e., steer or brake), and if they are locked, they reduce your
vehicle to nothing more than an expensive sled.

Matt writes about why auxillary lights are connected to high beams.  It is
part of the Uniform Vehicle Code that they have to be connected this way.
In Virginia, this is reason to fail the annual inspection.  So when you
turn the lights on for the inspector, turn the brights on simultaneously.
The reason?  So you can't have headlights without taillights.  Many years
ago whilst driving home at night, I coasted through a stop sign, only to
see a cop parked just around the bend.  As I passed him, I could see that
he was "clearing the decks for action" (i.e., stashing the donuts) though
he was in no position to pursue directly.   Turned two other corners in
quick succession, doused the headlights and hit the driving lamps (I now
only had light out the front).  Though speeds never got above 10 mph, he
couldn't find me without tail lights showing.

    *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----*
    |                                                      |
    |  Sandy Grice,  Rover Owners' Association of Virginia |
    |  E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com       FAX: 804-622-7056 |
    |  Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days)  804-423-4898 (Evenings) |
    |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA   |
    *------------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 16:30:16 -0500
From: afpgreg@gatekeeper.ddp.state.me.us (Paul V. Gregory)
Subject: Shepherding in the 90's

        
        Greetings to Roverphiles of the Highest Water:

        Last autumn while visiting the Lake District, I watched a chap in
his '90 slowly herd a dozen sheep some distance down a narrow country lane.
His sheepdog ran directly behind the LR, head down below the hight of the
rear bumper, barking steadily at the sheep ahead.  When a sheep ventured off
the lane, the dog would run up from behind the vehicle, convince the sheep
to return to the flock, and then return to its station behind the Landie. 
        An entertaining collaboration of man, machine, dog and sheep. 

                                        cheers from tropical Maine, USA
                           -----------
{A mentor once explained to me why American know-how put a man on the moon
while Lucas electrics caught fire: "Why it's simple.  After the War, the
Yanks got the 'good" nazis while the English got stick with the "bad" nazis."}
                                        --30--
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-----  

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Special buy on Land Rover Vehicles
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 95 15:25:00 EST

Local hearsay is that these are ex UN vehicles and currently reside in 
customs bond at Jacksonville,  Florida. The 6.5 turbo diesel is a GM unit 
and maybe the 16.5 wheels are indicative of a Dana axle. They are not DOT / 
EPA approved and may well be sold only on a re-export basis. ie for purchase 
by third world military group. Could the 110s, because of this strange 
engine, wheel combination be cut down hummers in Land-Rover sheetmetal????? 
A sheep in wolfs clothing!

Trevor Easton        TEASTON@dqc2.dofasco.ca   

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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 95 09:45:53 +1100
From: lloyd@indy14.cs.monash.edu.au (Lloyd Allison)
Subject: 100 Defender

The only 100 inch "Defender" that I know was a small batch of
prototype 110s made on the Range Rover wheelbase and probably using
RR chassis, round about 1978.
I have a poor `gif' in
   http://www.cs.monash.edu.au/~lloyd/tildeLandRover/MightHaveBeen/index.html

(There have probably been many privately built specials too.)

Also at the URL is a gif of a forward control ~ 1990
looking very neat and "civilised", not a 101, not a S2A FC,
does anyone know anything more about this vehicle -
   dimensions, engine, dates, ... ?
I believe it was a prototype that was not put into production.
Santana also built their own FCs, and I don't think it's one of theirs.

Lloyd Allison

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Defender 110 Question
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 95 17:56:29 EST

> Does anyone know about how many 110s there are in the U.S.?  I'm also
> very interested in how much these beauties go for on the market, especially
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> since new ones are no longer available here!
> Thanks a bunch.

I know of someone who sold theirs to a *dealer* for $36K.  Believe it or
not, the guy went out and bought a Toyota to replace it.  He reportedly
got tired of retrieving it from the shop.  (Rumour has it this guy
used to work for Dean, under Nixon, so maybe that explains it.....)

A friend of mine has a 110 that may be up for sale in a few months.  At last
check, it has about 25K miles on it (all highway).  I'll keep the list
posted as to when and if it is up for sale (he's replacing it with an ol'
yet fully restored 109).  (This is #5 of the 500 imported.)

cheers,
rd/nigel

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Series options
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 95 18:21:42 EST

There's been all sorts of talk 'bout abs, fancy light setups,
on-board system diagnosis, etc...all associated with these new
fangled machines yaz all call discos, defenders, and RRs....

...now, I don't mean to get yer hackles up er nothin', but I do
feel the need to remind you all just what fine options my 
1960 SII 88 has.....

(no flames, please, as this is all for fun...)

Anti-Lock Brakes            (4 10 in. drums, no power assist)
Intermittant Wipers         (Joe Lucas powered)
Anti-theft Devices          (23 neutral combinations)
Fog(gy) Lights              (H2O penetrable lenses and seals)
Rear Window Washer          (Puddles not included)
Built in Alarm System       (Loud rear end)
Self-Lubricating Chassis    (ok, ok, not an option-comes as std eqpt)
24hr Road Recovery System   (Toolbox, manuals, dirty coveralls, and a
			     quarter)
Ergonometric Interior       (Let's see *you* sleep across your front 
			     seat!)

cheers all,
rd/nigel

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Date: 23 Jan 95 19:07:45 EST
From: "WILLIAM  L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Subject: Digest 22nd Jan.

To Micheal Slade welcome to the nut house, good luck with your new toy.

 overdrive is an ideal 3/4 gear splitter to use on grades or when towing, The
book says not to use in 1/2 but I used one for years when I had a slow revving
high torque diesel engine.

replace the clutch master cylinder, resealing is only a short term and not very
reliable option. while you are at it change the slave cylinder as well.

seats : look round a breakers yard at different types, some of the Japanese cars
have good seats ( not much else good ) probably need to look at imports to get
some thing small enough, the important thing to look for is a shallow base,
otherwise your knees touch the steering wheel. when looking consider that  a lot
of the underframe tubing can be cut away. It's good to ttry some seats from the
newer cars with head restraints and back support.  there are a few rally driver
type seats available also.

67 2A ignition problem, as standard the vehicle was fitted with a 12volt coil,
no ballast resistor is necessary, if the non original coil is a 9v or a 6v then
an appropriate resistor is necessary.

 the distibutor thumbscrew should be initially set in the central position when
timing the ignition, then one has some small adjustment each way for fine
tuning.

 LR made some Defender 100 prototypes , fitting a LR body on a RR chassis, the
rear body was betwen an 88 and 109 in length, a friend in the UK bought a body
from Peter Hobson in Louth ( who used to have a contract from Rover for
recycling their surplus parts and development vehicles.) and fitted it to a RR
chassis. with a V8 and an auto box that he has been using for many years.

 When buying a used RR  the condition of the steering box is more important to
check for excess play or any leaks, the cost of replacement is higher than the
pump and the incidence of failure greater.

Auxiliary lights opn the RR,  in Europe it it is illegal to drive with auxiliary
lights  alone ,they can only be used in conditions of fog or falling snow in
conjunction with the headlights.

Regards  Bill Leacock    Limey in exile. 

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: Series options
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 95 17:25:24 PST

Ya,
but it didn't come with a picnic basket...
> There's been all sorts of talk 'bout abs, fancy light setups,
> on-board system diagnosis, etc...all associated with these new
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 28 lines)]
> 			     seat!)
> cheers all,
> rd/nigel

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From: rmodica@east.pima.edu
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 19:05:17 MST
Subject: TV Land Rovers

While channel surfing on Saturday night I saw a listing for "African Skies" on
the Family channel.  Looks like a Land Rover show and sure enough its an
ongoing series about a mom and son living in Africa on a ranch or something. 
Mom is obviously a transplanted yuppie and drives a black Cheep but the teenage
boy has much class and tools around in a brown Series IIA - a late one.  Anyone
seen the show?

Also have been reading the discussion about using diff lock and getting
transmission windup.  Does this windup happen rapidly?  How can you tell if it
happens?  What exactly "winds up"? Can this happen on a 5-spd Disco? Does it
happen after a few minutes or a few miles?  Could use an explanation.  Thanx.

Rob	51 SI 80" / 60 SII 109" / 94 Disco 5-spd / 67 SIIA 88"gone but not
forgotten 

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 23:39:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: RR aux. driving lights

Conflicting info here!!  

Russ Burns responds to a post thusly...
 
> On my 91 the aux light only come on with the low beams. As I have
..................
> I have not looked into the relay circuitry yet, But I can imagine it is
> designed in grand Lucas style....

While Matt Snyder's original post was... 
> > From their placement and the fact that they're wired to operate only
> > when the high beams are on,
none

"designed in grand Lucas style" says it all!! 

OK, Range Rover folks... put away the Grey Poupon and fess up! Just how are
*your* aux lights wired??

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) R.I.P.      
              7          1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol
           #:-}>         1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 23:40:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Series options

Russel lists Nigel's options...

> ...now, I don't mean to get yer hackles up er nothin', but I do
> feel the need to remind you all just what fine options my 
> 1960 SII 88 has.....
none

Didn't you forget the air conditioning??  (Smiths piddly round thing)

:)
Cheers
Mike

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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 00:33:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Series options

On Mon, 23 Jan 1995, Russell Burns wrote:

> Ya,
> but it didn't come with a picnic basket...

	yeah, but the picnic basket was an option on my Mini... :-)

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From: Sekerere@aol.com
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 00:39:11 -0500
Subject: 1966 88 IIA

Well I have been reading this LRO download for a few days, and so decided to
introduce myself. Have finally entered the world of Land Rovers again,
originally I was hooked in Rhodesia as a child riding in the Police Reserve
and Army LRs, and playing in my Dad's non-working 107. Just purchased a 1966
88 IIA here in Arizona-looks in great condition, runs like a charm, mechanic
looked it over and is doing some repairs before I take a crack at it for the
long run. A few questions
1. Any sage advise on this vehicle, things I should watch out for etc?

2. I seem to get hit and miss when I turn on the headlights-even using the
dimmer switch on the floor it is never the same routine. It can be brights,
then dims, then no headlights or any combination thereof. Does anyone have
any suggestions??

3. Until my "owners" manual arrives from California, I have read a lot about
the awful heaters. Mine has the round original one, exactly how does it
supposedly work? I know very weakly from all I have read here.

4. What were the original sized tyres on this vintage vehicle-the ones on
mine are obviously a fair size larger or wider than the standard ones??
Thanks

Chris Whitehead
Mesa
Arizona, U.S.A.
(602) 924-0431

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Date: Mon, 23 Jan 95 23:36:18 MST
From: rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com ( ROY CALDWELL )
Subject: Camel Trophy

  
Dear World Rover Friends

I have just secured an ivite to compete for a slot as
one of two Team USA Camel Trophy Journalist.  YES !!!
Off to see the Camel.  If you will permit, here are some
details.  The team try outs are in Grand Junction CO
on Feb 10 - 13.  This year is the first for women to
try out.  Tom Collins, the team organizer has chosen
four women to the event, actually five.  Of the original
four one injured her knee in a ski accident and had to
cancel.  Tom invited one of the alternates, just this week.
 
Glenn Campbell and Bill Baker of LRNA PR don't think I have
enough media contacts to get a slot.  But they invited me 
to try out anyway.  So I will show up and give it my best shot.
Tom Collins wants the two journalist to be more than just 
be a lump in the back seat.  So he is having the journalsit 
do as many of the test with the team people as they feel up to.
I will participate in all but the 6 mile run.

With at least one of the women able to run 8.25 miles for 26
I see no reason to go out and kill my self doing the run.  But
for the best news.  I will get to do all other driving tests,
map and compass, winching and all that great stuff.  Plus get 
to droll over Camel Team 110s, Discos and new RR.  Not to
mention get to hob nob with past Camel Team people and all 
the newbie hopefuls.  Talked with Tom today and he is very excited
about this years trial.  It wil be a very hard choice come
Sunday.  

It will be a very long and busy weekend.  But I will be wearing
a grin as big as my poor little face will allow.  If any of you
are planning to try and be there look me up. All of the Camel people 
will be at the Grand Junction Hilton.  Will entertain any questions
and reply based on what I know at this point.  Based on first
interviews of the invited women, they are four very activated,
motivated and dynamic people I have talked to in some time.  The
men better not under estimate them.  Probably half of the
guys will get smoked on the run and one of the ladies has rallye
time-speed-distance down well enough to be a human GPS.

I will report later and if anybody is in Grand Junction or near, that
will have net access, I could report during the weekend.  To say I
am doing a natural high about this would be an understatement!!!

Roy - Rovers in the Rockies          Off to see the Camel.
                                 Teams in the Extreme  

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