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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: sheepdogs
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 95 13:19:33 EST

The other night on PBS there was a show on sheepdogs.....all kinds 
of sheepdogs, along with their owners from throughout the uk, 
australia, new zealand, and the usa.  Several rover shots 
throughout, mostly of 'blindsider' hardtop 88s, and in almost 
every setting except for the us.  Virtually all these rover owners 
had complete control of their dogs, and hence their sheep, by 
simple whistle commands given from as far as a mile or so from the 
flock.  Towards the end of the program they move on to the 
us.....the guy is driving a gmc or somesuch and is only able to 
herd his flock with a bucket of grain.

Did the French do this to us or did we actually loose the 
Revolution?

rd/nige

ps the show airs again tonight (saturday) at 7 on PBS.

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From: mkenrick@golder.com
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 09:59:24 -0800
Subject: Range Rover ABS ECM

     Hello Rovers
     
     A newbie plea for help.  My '89 Range Rover suffers from perennial 
     AWLS: - ABS Warning Light Syndrome.  All efforts to revive the ABS 
     have failed.  My mechanic is asking US$ 1,900 for a new Electronic 
     Control Module; DAP are quoting me $1,550, but no exchange or return.  
     
     I really want to be sure it is the ECM before I shell out this kind of 
     brass.  Is there anywhere I can get a unit to switch over and thus 
     prove if this is really the problem.  Or should I just forget all 
     about ABS and practice controlling those 4-wheel slides ....
     
     +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
     Michael Kenrick                    Email: <mkenrick@golder.com>
     18105 197th Place NE                Home Phone: (206) 788-3100
     Woodinville, WA                     Work Phone: (206) 882-5473 
     United States of America            Work Fax:   (206) 882-5498

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Date: Sat, 21 Jan 1995 23:49:32 +0000
From: Steve Firth <steve@firthcom.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Pontiff & RR

Stefan R. Jacob said

>Speaking of Mercedes, the Pontiff has really disappointed me. In Australia
>of all places he has the nerve to show up with a G-Wagen! Wonder how much
>that appearance cost Mercedes...

I saw an article recently which mentioned that the Range Rover based
"Popemobile" used for the Pope's visit to Britain had been restored and is
now for sale.

BTW Stefan I work in Wiesbaden (well Delkenheim) quite often and I stay in
the around the Kurhaus. I see a lot of Land Rovers around the area, I've
even seen someone eating at Kaefer's who arrived in Defender 100 V8, and
the Landie seemed to be treated as if it were a limousine. Strangely I have
never seen a G-Wagen in Wiesbaden, mostly over here.

My experience with them classes them firmly as an over-priced competitor to
the Defender (without the load space). The diesel is horribly slow, well
just horrible and the petrol engine may push the G-wagen to a higher top
speed, but takes a long time getting there. Defenders with non-standard
diff ratios are faster and more capable off-road.

ISTR that the G-Wagen is built by Steyr-Daimler-Puch who make the Fiat
Panda 4x4, is this correct. And is there any involvement with the Austrian
Hafflinger? Again I remember that both the G-Wagen and the Hafflinger
started as military vehicles, but I also thought that the companies were
linked. Probably wrong, I usually am!

.............................................................................
                                                     Firth Consulting
Stephen Firth                                           Support Services
   steve@firthcom.demon.co.uk  CIS: 100023,3414            for Biotechnology

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Date: Sat, 21 Jan 1995 20:23:25 -0500
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Re: Russ & Sheep & G-wagons etc

Russel wrote about the PBS sheepdog segment, and I just finished watching it. 
In a word, it was BAAAAAAAAAD! (sorry).  Fun to see a couple of 88s pulling 
trailers full of dogs.

On the G-Wagon note, all this talk has gotten me curious, and I see that on 
next week's Motorweek, they will be testing the G-Wagon in Euopean form.  In 
the NY tri-state area, it will be on channel 50, WNJN, the NJ channel.  Should
be fun.

I just got Todd Mills new edition of the Solihull Society newsletter.  Nice 
job, Todd.  Good format & the graphics turned out very well.  I'm glad I kept 
my subscription.  Someone asked about fuel tank repairs.  Britech has 88 fuel 
tanks for $190, which seems to be a pretty good deal.  Their number is 
719-392-9514.  There was an interesting cartoon on the back with some fairly 
accurate representations of a 109 wagon, but how about a translation, Todd?

Bill

maloney@wings.attmail.com

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Date: 21 Jan 95 21:21:54 EST
From: "WILLIAM  L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Subject: Digest 21 Jan

Heaters, early Morris minor cars  were fitted with a round Smiths heater, the
core of which is the same diameter but twice the thickness of the LR one, it is
posible to put the Morris core in the lr front cover and by modifying the in/out
pipes get a bigger and better heater.

 Brakes :  another thing to look for in the poor brake saga is to ensure that
the bottom brake shoe pivot is secure, I have seen the bottom pivot become free
in the backplate and move backwards and forward under braking, giving poor
results.

 Series 3 manual   John Hess, I have a Land Rover Genuine parts workshop manual
here in western New York  Tel 716 438 0890 home, work phone 716 439 2848 or fax
at work, 716 439 2130

Berwick on Tweed is on the border between England and Scotland in the North East
of England, around 320 miles or so from London. 
 After sampling the delights of warm beer ( Bill C. can tell you where ) move
North to where the beer is much much better.
 Catch a train in the direction of Edinburgh or by car just leave London on the
A1 road ( known as the great north road) and keep right on to the end of the
road. ( you'll pass within  8 miles of my proper home in the North East of
England, Stockton on Tees - Birthplace of railways )
 Whilst travelling on the A1 I recommend that you stop for a at Jacksons of
Misson near Bawtry for a parts yard to amaze, then stop at Beamish museum
between Darligton and Newcastle for a few hours to see an example of life in
1913. Any other tourist info required give me a call.

 The play in the gearbox output shaft is well covered in the digest, could'nt
have written it better myself.
One small clarification to answer Delphi's remarks, The output shaft is located
by a pair of taper roller bearings, as the bearings wear the shaft becomes free
to move between the fixed outer races, the clearance can then be seen as radial
play. 
The shimming operation pushes the outer races closer together, thus reducing the
radial play. It is unlikely that the  bearings will have suffered much from this
providing the some lubrication was available.
 It is also, as suggested , worth fitting a new oil seal since the radial play
will have enlarged the hole in the seal, reducing it's sealing capacity.

  Regards  Bill Leacock   Limey in exile    67 109.

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: Range Rover ABS ECM
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 95 18:34:15 PST

My 91 Rover has a diag plug which is under the front drivers seat. If
you short out the black/pink to the black wire the ABS light will flash
out codes. There are about 60 codesn and they consits of two numbers
ie 2-12 (two flashes followed but 12 flashes) there also is a start phase
pause (2.5s) flash(2.5s) pause(2.5) flash(2.5)
The code are .5s flashes with a 2.5 sec pause between numbers.
If you can get the codes, I will relay you the info.

Russ Burns
91 R-Rover
94 D-90

. 

>      Hello Rovers
>      A newbie plea for help.  My '89 Range Rover suffers from perennial 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 19 lines)]
>      Woodinville, WA                     Work Phone: (206) 882-5473 
>      United States of America            Work Fax:   (206) 882-5498

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Uncle Lucas, and mt D-90
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 95 18:54:50 PST

It seems that I still have not worked out my complimentary problem
>From Uncle lucas. Every once in a while The beast has a hard time starting.
Today when it happened I had my volt meter with me, and checked out the
fuel injection relay, and the fuel pump relay. The both seemed to be fine.
I did tug on the wire feeding the fuel pump, and that corrected the problem.
If I have the truck on a side hill it seems to aggavate the problem.
So I thought it might be a connector being stressed. 
Well Landrovers Lucas School of electrolux engineering came up with another
great engineering feet.    
They routed the main wiring harness down the middle of the Frame, which
is fine. But when the broke off for the feed for the fuel pump they
put the connector right behind the passenger rear wheel. Right where
all the mud, and Slop can keep it cool.... 
Once I get it clean, and dry I am going to cover it with some heat shrink.

Well I am not too sure If I have found this gremlin, but I am getting
closer.

Russ Burns
94 D-90
91 R-Rover

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Date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 03:15:52 +0100
From: caloccia@team.net (Bill Caloccia)
Subject: Re: Range Rover ABS ECM

>   ABS Warning Light Syndrome.
>  $1900-->$1,550, but no exchange or return.

> ... should I just forget all
>     about ABS and practice controlling those 4-wheel slides ....

Unless you find  yourself on snow and ice a lot, and your overdriving
to the point that the ABS kicks in 'cause you're doing a panic slow
or stop, on a regular basis, I'd recommend that you learn how to
brake and steer at the same time.  Racers call it 'threshold' braking,
'ABS' is the nearest mechanical approximation to it.

Basically, your greatest braking power is from rolling friction,
when that forward motion is being turned into heat at the
brake discs and where the rubber meets the road.  In reality,
the rotational speed of the tyre is slightly less than your
current speed.

If you don't have ABS, and just wail on the brakes, then the wheel
stops rotation, and you've lost most of your braking ability.  Having a
tyre locked in one position sliding across the road doesn't slow
the car down that much, 'cause the only thing absorbing the
forward motion is the rubber which starts evaporating off the
tyre, and over-warm, soft, evaporating rubber next to the road
is not anywhere near as efficient as that rotating tyre with the
brake engaged.

What ABS does is detect that you've stopped a tyre from
rotating, and it knows that isn't a good thing, so it basically
releases the brake on the wheel you locked up momentarily,
some number of times per second (frequency is limited by
mechancal parts of the system). [Also, some ABS systems don't
treat each tyre as an individual, but act on a pair of tyres at
the same time, etc.]

If you can figure out, and train yourself not to wail on the
brake and put it all the way to the floor when you NEED to
stop, then you train yourself to not go all the way to the floor
to maintain that 'optimal' threshold (ok, you're human, make
it 'near-' optimal)  of maximum braking before the brakes
lock up.

As a bonus, while the wheels are rotating, or as with ABS,
mostly rotating, you will still be able to steer the vehicle,
something that you can't do when your tyres are locked up
and sliding across the pavement.

There are lots of place that teach the basic concepts - a fellow in
New Hampshire who does police training, etc., occasionally runs
his 'Skid School'  to auto clubs, or people who've contacted him by
word of mouth, etc.  First thing you learn how to do is spin a car
in a slalom - find out  the 'limit' of it handling, then you do a
bunch of exercises trying to avoid doing the same, when faced
with circumstances where you have to swerve and stop or
just do something like an emergency lane change.  [Now kids,
don't try this in your Suzuki Samauris.]

The little known 'National Safety Council'  regional offices will
usually teach a one-day safe-driving course to the public,
and there are any number of racer-wanna-be schools
that do one or more day courses on basic car handling.

If you have to go to a three day Skip Barber Formual Ford
school to learn how to do it, then I can say from experience that
that is a much more Fun way to spend $1500+...

The principles are the same, 'cept the RR has a bit more body
roll and you're higher up, so you move more.

I normally make it 5/6ths through the Chiswick round-a-bout in one
light cycle, and none of the baby bimmers have beaten me out of it.

But then some bimmer drivers aren't deserving of their cars,
like my boss who got a 325 status symbol, and spun it on a
straight dry road.  Brought the rear end around hard enough
to screw up the rear end suspension, I guess, it just didn't
handle the same way as her sporty little FWD R-19 did.

    Cheers,
        --bill  caloccia@Team.Net       caloccia@Stratus.Com

      1  3     dl OD  L           "Land Rover's first, becuase
      |--|--+  o  |   |            Land Rovers last."
      2  4  R     N   H           '72 Range Rover

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Date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 03:22:55 +0100
From: caloccia@team.net (Bill Caloccia)
Subject: Re: Digest 21 Jan

>Berwick on Tweed is on the border between England and Scotland in the
>North East
>of England, around 320 miles or so from London.

If you're into it, swing by an 'AA' shop and get a Scottish Tourist Board map of
Scotland.  In the 'places of intrest' marked with stars are _the_
distilleries...

> After sampling the delights of warm beer ( Bill C. can tell you where ) move
>North to where the beer is much much better.

Let me know,  I can certianly had some experience finding a pub or two.

Say, Bill L, am I correct beling left with the impression that lagers are
the preferred drink 'in the north' ?

    Cheers,
        --bill  caloccia@Team.Net       caloccia@Stratus.Com

      1  3     dl OD  L           "Land Rover's first, becuase
      |--|--+  o  |   |            Land Rovers last."
      2  4  R     N   H           '72 Range Rover

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 1995 23:43:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: sheepdogs

Russell can't sleep so he counts sheepdogs...

> The other night on PBS there was a show on sheepdogs.....all kinds 
> of sheepdogs, along with their owners from throughout the uk, 
> australia, new zealand, and the usa.  Several rover shots 

Back when I was a lad we had sheep and a few beef cattle. We also had four
dogs but only one was any good with the livestock. Big gray German Shepard
named Irish. It's hard to find a good dog like that. 
 
> Did the French do this to us or did we actually loose the 
> Revolution?
> australia, new zealand, and the usa.  Several rover shots 
none
The stinkin' French! Bloody hell. I wouldn't put it past them. Did you ever
own a French car?? I owned a few.. Two Simca's and an Opel GT (The bodywork
was built in France). They were comfortable cars but that's the only good
thing I can say about them..

Cheers
Mike 

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From: sohearn@InterServ.Com
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 95 21:06:27 PST
Subject: Land Rover North America, Inc. Sales

Here's some figures I came across re LRNA sales.

1994 Totals:
         Range Rover    4,082
         Defender 90    1,468
         Discovery      6,495
                       ------
         Total sales   12,045  (4,907 in 1993 for a 145.5% increase)

December 1994 Totals:
         Range Rover      427
         Defender 90      127
         Discovery      1,397
                       ------
         Total sales    1,951  (660 in 1993 for a 195.6% increase)

- Stephen

+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Stephen O'Hearn            1994           LAND-            Tread Lightly |
| El Segundo, CA, USA      DEFENDER           -ROVER         on Public and |
| sohearn@interserv.com       90        The Best 4x4xFar     Private Lands |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Date: 22 Jan 95 01:28:56 EST
From: Leslie Stutsman <100042.254@compuserve.com>
Subject: Busy Busy Busy

Hi Everyone.  Just read through (browsed a better word actually) a
month of digests.  Whew....  We have been pretty busy, just keeping up
with the Email can be a bit hectic at times!

One of the most recent things I wanted to put my 2 cents in was about
this 25 Defender 90 deal.  We too were/are interested (for obvious
reasons)  One thing the ad did mention, but seemed to glass over, was
the customs duty implications.  Many of you might not be aware, but
when importing a NEWER vehicle the customs side of things will be a
HUGE hassle and can become quite $$costly$$.  Unlike an older Land
Rover which has no real "book" value for customs to dispute with you, 
the newer defenders (as well as all new cars) have a book value.  What
you might not be aware of is that this duty is 25% of book value.

Add that into your equation, along with port costs, etc etc - all based
on the value, and now how much are you saving.  I would investigate
very closely before jumping. 

If any of you would like to discuss with me the questions you might ask
to figure out your true costs before forking over big bucks, I would be
happy to oblige. 

If it works out to be worthwhile we may be interested.  Have not run
the figures yet.  I too got the "call my collegue" message, and decided
to sit back and hear what y'all had to say.

Jimmy P - didn't realise you were having such a fun time with your
Landy.  Have you sorted it out yet?  If not, what's left.  Sounds like
who ever you bought it from played around with the wiring/etc and was a
bit clueless.  We really have had no probs with Lucas electris, except
for when a previous owner decides to try his hand at rewiring.  It
actually is quite a simple system.  If worse comes to worse, the best
thing to do is to pay for an auto electrician to fix it.  Most of them
are mobile, and they can sort out a problem in an hour that might take
you a lifetime.  P.S.  Have you read your Feb LRO yet?  Look closely
Warn challenge....
-------------------------------------------
Hope all of you had a great holiday!

Cheers

Leslie Stutsman
U.K. LAND ROVERS Import/Export
813-954-4304
************Call/Email for current availability list
	     - leave address & tel/fax#

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