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1 "Neil E. Villacorta" [FM17 Disco '95 changes?
2 "Barry Dudley" [DUDLEY@g15NEXT STEP: SUMP+ENGINE PROTECTION
3 "Stefan R. Jacob" [1000417Re: Hella H4 conversion for Discovery
4 "Stefan R. Jacob" [1000411Thanks to the UK folks ...
5 Bruce Harding [Bruce_Har22Steering Relay Removal
6 azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woo31 Re: Range Rover fatality
7 "Russell G. Dushin" [dus17Re: Steering Relay Removal
8 "Rusty Greer" [rusty_gre15Re: Discos cost too much?
9 rsj@ny.ox.com (Rick Jaff17Disco availability
10 Mike Rooth [M.J.Rooth@lu17Re: Range Rover fatality
11 rpeng@cadev6.intel.com 24Re: Discovery Cost Too Much
12 S|ren Vels Christensen [25Re: Extra Fuel Tank
13 FHYap@aol.com 53Misc
14 "Peter C. Parsons" [ppar38Cost of Disco
15 rpeng@cadev6.intel.com 66Interesting Ad
16 "Russell G. Dushin" [dus17WWWhere?
17 brabyn@skivs.ski.org (Jo8Re: Discos cost too much?
18 CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR 59Various...
19 caloccia@team.net (Bill 24 re: plunged vs Rolled
20 caloccia@team.net (Bill 24 re: plunged vs Rolled
21 Rodney Alan Walker [ra.w14John Craddocks
22 jfhess@ucdavis.edu (john45Smog update
23 jfhess@ucdavis.edu (john19Ho Ho Hong
24 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn16Re: Cadillacs and Rovers
25 Kelly Minnick [minnick@j17Disco Cost
26 Craig Murray [craigp@ocs27Re:4x4x4 wheel drifting!


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Date:     Mon, 16 Jan 95 23:13:37 PST
From: "Neil E. Villacorta" <FM00VILL@UCSBVM.UCSB.EDU>
Subject:  Disco '95 changes?

Anyone know the changes for the '95 Disco?  Are they ever going the make
the *BIG* V8 (4.8-litre ?) available in the Disco?Or are their plans
to place a BMW V8 in the Disco or Range Rover?

Can a Disco with the BIG V8 be purchased/special ordered for pickup in
the UK?  I'd like to travel in the UK with one and ship it to the US,
similar to the BMW European Delivery Program.

Thanks in advance,
:-) Neil Villacorta
Network Operations Manager
UC Santa Barbara

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From: "Barry Dudley" <DUDLEY@gate2.cc.unp.ac.za>
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 15:45:08 +200
Subject: NEXT STEP: SUMP+ENGINE PROTECTION

I am preparing my SIII for a trans-african tours later this year
and would like to add SUMP AND ENGINE PROTECTION PLATES.
QUESTIONS:
Does anyone have these, and how useful/useless are they?
Any advice on HOW TO DO IT would be appeciated.

Thanx
BARRY DUDLEY         UNIVERSITY OF NATAL, KWA-ZULU NATAL
DUDLEY@MICR.UNP.AC.ZA                     SOUTH AFRICA

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Date: 17 Jan 95 09:47:07 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Hella H4 conversion for Discovery

Recently *someone* (sorry, got my digests spread over three different 
machines...) inquired about a european Hella H4 headlights conversion for
the Discovery. I'm sorry to say this, but according to our local Hella -
outlet (a Bosch dealer; local being Wiesbaden/Germany) there is no such 
thing - not yet, anyway. They only have straight conversion kits (Lucas
out - Hella in) for S.III, Defenders and classic Range Rovers, i.e. round 
lights only. So, I'm afraid you'll have to bear with the "Prince of Darkness".

Light up!

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Date: 17 Jan 95 09:47:47 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Thanks to the UK folks ...

...just wanted to let the UK folks know that thanks to their combined efforts
I finally managed to have those desperately needed RR workshop manuals
shipped to me. The list really works! Thanks again...

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Date: Tue, 17 Jan 95 08:02:06 PST
From: Bruce Harding <Bruce_Harding@ccm2.hf.intel.com>
Subject: Steering Relay Removal

Text item: Text_1

Erik,

Feel fortunate you got the sucker out.  Our local Landrover 
guru said he's actually had to cut them out before.  When I 
replaced mine, I soaked the area with WD40 everyday for a 
week before attempting to remove it.  It came out easily.  
The Lindsay Porter restoration manual says to put a bottle 
hydraulic jack under it to jack it out (or to jack up the 
beast itself if it's stuck real bad).  I smeared mine with 
anti-sieze compound before putting the new one in.  The 
trouble is that the frame cross member and steering relay 
rust together.  Since it's right up front exposed to the 
weather, I doubt there's a lot you can do.

Bruce_Harding@ccm.hf.intel.com

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject:  Re:  Range Rover fatality
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 16:22:29 UNDEFINED

4wds are not sports cars, so you cant drive em like sports cars or they trip 
up and fall. But then sports cars arent too good at lugging thru 2foot mud. 
Horses for courses.

/I'm interested in the comments about skids -- I've noticed what seems to
/me an excessive tendency for the tail to wag on gravel bends (at my
/no doubt reckless speeds) and have occasionally wondered whether the
/applied correction would work in time. Generally, the vehicle acts
/like its on rails when your foot is on the gas, but seems to have
/a propensity for skids with it off. Does anyone else have any similar
/or different impressions??

There was a suggestion the guy had the diff lock on? In my 90, using the 
diff lock means that transmission windup will spin a wheel out. Since the 
engine is over the front, it will be a rear inside wheel on a corner. So it 
provokes rear wheel slides. I use this deliberately on snow cos I prefer to 
steer with the rear, having misspent my youth in Ford Escorts, where you dont 
have the choice.

If you want it to corner like it's on rails, then diff lock OFF. Bit boring 
tho.....

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
        Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway
+++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Steering Relay Removal
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 95 11:35:14 EST

> The Lindsay Porter restoration manual says to put a bottle 
> hydraulic jack under it to jack it out (or to jack up the 
> beast itself if it's stuck real bad).  I smeared mine with 

The suggestion was once made to me by Dirk and or Lanny and
or Mark at RN to place a chain around the relay when you do this.
Apparently, it *can* pop out rather violently, and this measure
assures some degree of safety.....to be sure the thing doesn't
fly out into your face, or arm, or buttocks.

rd/nigel

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Date: 17 Jan 1995 08:56:27 -0800
From: "Rusty Greer" <rusty_greer@taligent.com>
Subject: Re: Discos cost too much?

        Reply to:   RE>Discos cost too much?

Yes, discos do cost a lot.  If you want a dealer in the San Francisco Bay
area that is very good, go to the dealer on Steven's Creek in San Jose.  I
bought my disco from the dealer in San Francisco because they had one that I
wanted but I have not been very pleased with them.  I now take my disco to
the San Jose Land Rover dealer for any and all service/warranty work.  They
are excellent.

Rusty

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Date: Tue, 17 Jan 95 12:04 EST
From: rsj@ny.ox.com (Rick Jaffe)
Subject: Disco availability

I'm in the middle of an expected four month wait for a Disco at my
local (Darien, CT) dealer.  My salesman tells me that although
production has been recently increased, his dealership has not yet
seen any increase in the flow of vehicles.

Is there a dealership with a new Disco in inventory?

Thanks.  Rick Jaffe

USMail:   OTA Limited Partnership, 1 Manhattanville Rd., Purchase, NY 10577
Phone:	  +1 914 694-5800 x230	FAX:	+1 914 694-5831
Internet: rsj@ox.com

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Range Rover fatality
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 95 16:55:29 GMT

I may be wrong here,but I always thought that the rule when
cornering was "Slow In Fast Out".In other words the one thing 
you *dont* do is to take your clog off on a bend.The thing
will run wide.Stick the aforementioned clog *down* however,
and it will hang its tail out and corner more tightly.
Of course you can always overdo it,in which case it will
spin.Tough.You entered the bend too fast in the first place,
didnt you?

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: rpeng@cadev6.intel.com
Subject: Re: Discovery Cost Too Much
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 95 9:14:23 PST

> The dealer was also very snobby, and said there was no negotiation on the 
> price.  I can understand the latter (what with the waiting period and all), 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> to call Cole European in Walnut Creek, but I don't know anything about them 
> either.

Try San Jose Land Rover (Used to be San Jose British Motors) if she
doesn't mind driving to the South Bay. They got several nice
Discoveries in stock; just came in a couple of weeks ago.

They are located on Stevens Creek Blvd. close to Lawrence Expressway.

-- 
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Roger Peng                                     (408)765-7863
Intel Corporation
Design Technology, Physical CAD
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Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 18:26:07 +0200 (METDST)
From: S|ren Vels Christensen <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
Subject: Re: Extra Fuel Tank

On Thu, 12 Jan 1995, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

> In message <9501122039.AA23685@skivs.ski.org> John Brabyn writes:
> > OK you guys -- I've now learned that the proper place for fuel tanks
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
> TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
> twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     

Not close enough. Aurens is a 109 two door. Tank was in the back and i
fitted the new STW type tank there as well. (But i might fit a 45l seat tank
as well,- will have to ruin the sidepanels).

Sorry John... :-/

+----------------------------+--------------------------------+
| Soren Vels                 | 1976  sIII  109"   2.25 petrol |
| velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk     | "Lawrence of Arabia"           |    ((|||))
| Royal Danish Air Force     | Dansk Land-Rover Klub no. 3564 |   ((|||))
| Communications Specialist  | DL-RK: Approx. 1000 members.   |    ((|||))
+----------------------------+--------------------------------+__((|||))______

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From: FHYap@aol.com
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 16:26:19 -0500
Subject: Misc

Comments/Queries:

Baja 1000:  I am happy to hear that a LR was first in class in the Baja.  But
was it really a stock Defender 110?  January 95 LRW p. 82 would seem to
indicate that it would not be.

Blazer Rental:  In addition to insurance requirements, watch out for mileage
charges.  They can add up pretty fast.

Land Rover v. other 4x4s:  We all know that LR makes the best 4x4.  We need
not be insecure about it.  We don't need to insult other 4x4 manufactureres
to "prove" that a LR is superior.  The fact that a LR may be superior does
not mean that other 4x4s are "trash."  Landcruisers, Monteros
(Shogun/Pajeros), Pathfinders, etc. are probably fine vehicles for their
owners.  (Wasn't the Cherokee recently rated 4x4 of the year by an English or
Australian magazine?)  Remember, until LR started producing a "Japanese type"
4x4, its civilian sales were lacking.  Without the LR logo, the Discovery
could easily be mistaken for a Japanese 4x4.  It is my undersatnding that LR
developed the Discovery to explicitly compete with the Japanese 4x4
competition - and they ended up doing a better job!

Discovery pricing:  In the UK and in Australia, the Discovery does compete
with other Japanese 4x4s in terms of pricing.  However, in the US, because of
its social status, LR can maximize its selling price.  Most (or all?) LR
dealers in the US appear to be associated with other expensive (snooty) car
manufacturers and the dealers act appropriately snooty).  I agree that the SF
dealer is not very pleasant.  RAB (San Rafael) and Cole Eurpean (Walnut
Creek) are slightly better.

4wd Safety:  In addition to the US and UK, 4wd crash test information is also
available in reports from the Federal Office of Road Safety and Monash
University's Accident Research Centre (Australia).

Newsletters:  In submitting your "shameless solicitations," please indicate
your mailing addresses and currency.  For the OVLR, I assume the cost is $20
CDN. (Need address.)

Unimog:  Are Unimogs unpleasant to drive?  I saw one (European plates) on the
Dempster summer 93 and it appeared to move like any other truck.  If the top
speed was 46 mph, he must have taken quite a while to get across the
Trans-Canada Highway!

G-Wagen:  Why is it a "horrible" vehicle?  I understand it was developed for
use by NATO but was too expensive to produce.  The vehicle looks good, the
specs look good ...  Motorweek(?) had a blurb about the G-Wagen.  Although
the price of the G-Wagen is similar to a comparable Range Rover in the UK.,
it costs about $116K in the US.

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Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 14:44:08 -0700
From: "Peter C. Parsons" <pparsons@ppsol.com>
Subject: Cost of Disco

Roger,
	I bought my Disco ('94 model) in October of 1994, in Denver.  The choices were
by it 'stripped' - cloth seats, no rear air, or jump seats, no sunroof (in the back
at least) - for about $29,500.00  OR buy it 'loaded' - leather seats, dual sun-roofs, 
rear A.C., jumpseats - for $34,600.00.  This is for a 5 speed.  Neither one comes
with any brush bars, ANY floormats, or CD-Rom changer. 

	There was no haggling on the price there either.  The dealer was disappointed that
I chose not to purchase all the goodies through them.  The dealer wanted $20 more than 
Rovers North for carpet floormats, about $320 more for the CD changer, and I forget the
other costs, but all were substantially higher the BA or RN.  I hear that the '95 model
cost was increased about $600.00, and the automatic is, of couse, more.  So the price
your friend was quoted seems *gasp* in line with the prices here in Denver.  

	For that money, the dealer better ooze customer service, or I'd go elsewhere
immediatly :-)  Good luck to your friend.  Once the pain of writing the check subsides, 
the joys of Rovering can begin!

-Peter

     _______
    |--' |  \_|_  
    |___ +--    ]
   [|_/-\____/-\|}
      (O)    (O)     '94 Disco

-Peter C. Parsons, 
pparsons@ppsol.com

 __________
|/\^_/v^/\^|
| SKYROVR  | 
|_colorado_|

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From: rpeng@cadev6.intel.com
Subject: Interesting Ad
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 95 14:38:24 PST

Just saw the following interesting Ad on the net:

Article: 16023 of ba.market.vehicles
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From: roycv@aol.com (Roycv)
Newsgroups: ba.market.vehicles
Subject: BRAND NEW LANDROVER
Date: 15 Jan 1995 17:04:56 -0500
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
Lines: 48
Message-ID: <3fc668$mao@newsbf02.news.aol.com>

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: WWWhere?
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 95 18:44:13 EST

Greg Hiner mentioned awhile back that he needed to move the web.
(I cannot volunteer as access to within is restricted from without
for security reasons...).  Did it get moved??  Did the Rooth archive
go with it???  Months ago we had a major crash here, and my supply
of inspirational readings went south, along with lots of "real" stuff
(can you say back-up, can you say frequently?, can you say dope?).
If anyone can direct me to the new location and/or supply me with
the contents of the rooth archive I shall be forever grateful.

thanks in advance,
rd/nigel

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Date: Tue, 17 Jan 95 16:06:12 PST
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re: Discos cost too much?

I agree about the SF dealer -- I use the one in Walnut Creek. They are excellent

John

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Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 15:12:58 EST
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: Various...

Back from four days skiing...or rather, one day skiing, three days looking
at the rain.  Did I say "worst possible forecast" was 'sunny and warm'? How
about Marty Feldman's line from "Young Frankenstein"  -  "could be
worse...could be raining...." (After 28 yrs on the slopes, I don't *have*
to get out each day!)  Anyway, about the middle of the third day, several
of us decided to go out four wheelin' as the rain had made for some fine
West Virginia mud.  The rivers were all flowing fast and the passengers
were a bit unnerved crossing a "low water" bridge (paved-over culverts,
with about 12" pouring over the road surface.  Did have to replace the
patched-up solenoid though, but I had two spares along: an older one plus a
new "genuine part".  Not realising I had the 'GP' in stock, I ordered a
third from ABP before I left town.

BTW, both the "no-namo" ABP unit (in a plain brown wrapper) and the
"genuine parts" RN one (with the little logos all over) both have two
central terminals (in addition to the two 5/16 studs).  If one is for the
ignition circuit to energize the switch, what's the other for....a damned
convenient place for hot-wiring?  Some interlock to the clutch/brake pedal
like on new cars?  Need to test it out....

Had a most unusual experience driving to the mountains: I met my twin
coming the other way!  Rounded a corner and lo and behold, here comes
another '72 faded marine blue 88 with brush guards, off-road lights and a
newly installed radiator muff!  With Hawiian plates no less.  Seems the
chap is in the army and has been posted to Sugar Grove, WV for a
year...though I've been through Sugar Grove - blink and you've missed it -
can't imagine any bases or the need for one nearby (unless it's some covert
facility).   I hope he'll join the club.

To Carl Byrne who's brother has been boasting about his cheep.  Just say
two words: "Camel Trophy".  When was the last time jeeps were used?  Only
in the first one, and they were never considered again due to their
shortcomings.  I think my sig.block says it all....

Walter Swain poses the ludicrous question of a Cadillac 4X4...well truth is
stranger than fiction, because just such a vehicle is in the works for '96
or '97.  Eying (enviously) Land Rover's skyrocketing sales, Caddy will
enter the "upscale" or luxury SUV market in a few years (as will Jaguar on
a Ford Explorer chasis).  I mean, what other marque typifies mechanical
durability, agility and off-road dependability better than "Cadillac"?
*ROTFL*  Oldsmobile tried this a few years ago with the Bravada, but when
was the last time you say an Oldsmobile off-roading in Borneo???

And to Dixon...the club's annual dues are $15.  We usually publish the
newsletter quarterly, but last year there were six.  Size is kept to 10
pages (just under one ounce for mailing) with about 50-70k of text.

    *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----*
    |                                                      |
    |  Sandy Grice,  Rover Owners' Association of Virginia |
    |  E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com       FAX: 804-622-7056 |
    |  Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days)  804-423-4898 (Evenings) |
    |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA   |
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Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 01:27:20 +0100
From: caloccia@team.net (Bill Caloccia)
Subject:  re: plunged vs Rolled

Roger Sinasohn writes that it would be about a 2.5 second fall and
calculates the terminal velocity of 70kph for a 2 second fall:

Actually 70kph is 42 mph, but that extra half-second falling would 'cellerate
an object in free fall to ~52mph.

        (My back-of-the-bar-coaster calculations, not unlike yours, were also
        done for 1 significant digit, however, I rounded up (a 3 second fall),
        while you truncated :-).

This annotation brought to you from the
      Team.Net center for 'lies, damn lies, and statistics'

    Cheers,
        --bill  caloccia@Team.Net       caloccia@Stratus.Com

      1  3     dl OD  L           "Land Rover's first, becuase
      |--|--+  o  |   |            Land Rovers last."
      2  4  R     N   H           '72 Range Rover

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Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 01:27:11 +0100
From: caloccia@team.net (Bill Caloccia)
Subject:  re: plunged vs Rolled

Roger Sinasohn writes that it would be about a 2.5 second fall and
calculates the terminal velocity of 70kph for a 2 second fall:

Actually 70kph is 42 mph, but that extra half-second falling would 'cellerate
an object in free fall to ~52mph.

        (My back-of-the-bar-coaster calculations, not unlike yours, were also
        done for 1 significant digit, however, I rounded up (a 3 second fall),
        while you truncated :-).

This annotation brought to you from the
      Team.Net center for 'lies, damn lies, and statistics'

    Cheers,
        --bill  caloccia@Team.Net       caloccia@Stratus.Com

      1  3     dl OD  L           "Land Rover's first, becuase
      |--|--+  o  |   |            Land Rovers last."
      2  4  R     N   H           '72 Range Rover

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Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 13:01:43 +1000
From: Rodney Alan Walker <ra.walker@qut.edu.au>
Subject: John Craddocks

Can anyone give me the fax number for John Craddocks? I have been
looking through all my literrature but they only ever seem 
to give their phone number. Also does anyone know of any other
good series 1 parts warehouses?

Rod Walker

55 86" Series I
52 80" Series I

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Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 20:20:06 -0800
From: jfhess@ucdavis.edu (john hess)
Subject: Smog update

Hello everyone, this is the final update.

I went to the official Ca state referee station today;  they inspected the
rover, gave it a smog test and then gave me a waiver because I failed.
results:  pcv system-pass, carberetor-pass, other emissions related
components-pass (I don't think this applies, all I needed was a pcv valve).
2500 rpm:  HC ppm 0169, CO% 0.30, CO2 13.1, O2 2.5
no requirements for me at 2500 but they test anyway!

Idle rpm (unknown what speeds are officially valid but I think something
like 750-1100)  my test done at 1078.
HC ppm  0501  (500 allowed) <--FAIL
CO%    3.00%  (5.50 allowed)
CO2 12.7
O2 0.8

So, I failed for 1 ppm HC.
Note: Steve at British Pacific says ARCO gas is good for a 10% reduction
BUT I didn't use it.  I did change from 92 octane Union 76 gas for the last
fail TO Union 76 89 octane for this fail.  As far as I know, no other
changes were made.  At the time of my last fail, I was supposedly at 550
ppm HC.
Could lower octane gas caause lower HC emissions?  Sounds fishy to me.

Important for CA people.  If you fail SMOG in 1995, you must now spend $450
to fix it. If you cannot get the vehicle to pass, you are given a one time
exemption. I don't know what happens after that.

I drove by DMV to file the smog waiver and statement from maine saying no
title is issued for cars older than 1984 but the line was practically out
the door. Since this is Davis, when the line is often nonexistent, I'll try
another day.

Thanks to those of you who offered help.

john f hess phd (wow, really?)
jfhess@ucdavis.edu
from home via modem
Land-
  -Rover, Sunbeam Tiger and Mazda owner!

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Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 20:24:55 -0800
From: jfhess@ucdavis.edu (john hess)
Subject: Ho Ho Hong

I just got my Happy New Year card from John Hong.  It's great!!!

I don't think I have anything to compare to it, just a couple of regular
pics, the old me standing by my rover type.  I think that Kathy, Alex and I
will now be forced to use our heads and come up with a really good photo of
us and the Dormobile.  I guess we've got all year  8^).

Congratulations John great christmas card!

john f hess phd (wow, really?)
jfhess@ucdavis.edu
from home via modem
Land-
  -Rover, Sunbeam Tiger and Mazda owner!

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Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 20:23:54 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Cadillacs and Rovers

Brad Blevins (unclebrad@aol.com) is the editor of the Aluminum Workhorse, the 
newsletter for the Land Rover Owners Association of North America.  (Or 
something like that.)  Anyway, annual dues are only $20 for 4 quarterly 
issues.  Address is:  LROA Membership / P.O. Box 1144 / Paradise, Ca 95969.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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From: Kelly Minnick <minnick@joker.chinalake.navy.mil>
Subject: Disco Cost
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 95 21:11:35 PST

RE: Disco cost
Everywhere I went in Southern Calif., the cost is the same for the Disco...
$28,900.... Plus $650 destination and $150 CA emmisions...$1100 for auto,
$1600 for sun roofs, $1200 for leather, $850/$975 rear seats.  Price has
not been negotiable...  There is now one dealer who is marking $500 off
sticker. (oh, wow!).  The guy is probably trying to sell her a car he has in
stock that has most of these features.  don't know if this help.
Kelly Minnick  '73 88" Safari
Ridgecrest, CA

p.s. Please send me some of that 63 degree weather so I can finish painting!

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From: Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au>
Subject: Re:4x4x4 wheel drifting!
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 16:38:25 EDT

Daryl wrote:
none
A few days back Mike R mentioned 4 wheel drifting... When the 3.5 110 first
hit OZ one of the local 4x4 mags (Overlander ??) did a major trip as a "test
drive" (may even have been pre release) One of the comments re handling was
how nicely the vehicle could be controlled in 4 wheel drifts on outback dirt
roads. They also had a "perentje" 110 6x6 which apparently pushed the front
in the same corners and had a few "excursions" on the trip. I may have the
article in a box somewhere, should go look....

none

Didn't they release a video called the Jump up Land? as I have got that 
at home, and they drove two 110's and a 6x6?

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==============================================================================
Craig Murray                                    |       1955 Series 1 86"
LROC of Victoria Australia                      |       2.25 diesel 
LROC of Gippsland Victoria Australia            |       I slow for hills!
email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au                   |     but not of my own will

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