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Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 09:18:05 -0500
From: Chrisste@cerf.net (Chris Stevens)
Subject: LRs for Sale

This morning's Baltimore Sun has the following for sale in case anyone is
interested: LANDROVERS '56 LWB, runs great, $5750, '57 SWB Safari Wgn,
$5000; '51 80" Trials winner, $6600. Phone: 301-261-5675.

Chris Stevens
BCG Corporate Communications
(410) 583-1935 (FAX)

Chrisste@cerf.net

 R  1  3     2   H            "Land Rover's first, becuase
 +--|--|     |   |             Land Rovers last."
 2  4        4   L            '69 S.IIa 88"

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Date: Fri, 09 Dec 1994 12:11:48 -0500
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Re: LRs for Sale

Chris shared:
      
none
This morning's Baltimore Sun has the following for sale in case anyone is
interested: LANDROVERS '56 LWB, runs great, $5750, '57 SWB Safari Wgn,
$5000; '51 80" Trials winner, $6600. Phone: 301-261-5675.
none

I believe that the '51 is the same 80" that won the Mid Atlantic trials 
course.  It appears to be mechanically sound (runs well, goes well, doesn't 
get stuck), but is cosmetically rough.  The canvas was pretty tatty.  I don't 
know if this is a fair price or not (a couple of people at the meet said it 
was, but no one made an offer).  I believe the owner imports them on a regular 
basis, explaining why he now has 3.  I talked to him for a bit at the rally.  
Pretty interesting fellow.  Buys & sells all sorts of things.  I've forgotten 
his name though.  Mike Lokodice (LANDROVER@delphi.com) could give you more 
info.  If you decide to go with these or any other Series Is and do not reside 
in the UK, be prepared to order most of your parts direct from the UK.

Bill

maloney@wings.attmail.com

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Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 12:43:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: question for 90 owners

 
The rear bed on the 90 is longer, true.....
but...the real problem is at the windscreen mounting..the series vehicles 
and the 90/110's are totally incompatable...(they *both* still leak here 
tho..) so you could cobble the top and sides but that front edge would 
stop most of us....shortening a roof from a 110 might be the best idea 
and use the sides from a 110/109 and shrink them to size also..
good luck!!!!

steve....

"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
"        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
"        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
"        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

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Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 11:14:42 -0800
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: RE: question for 90 owners

TerriAnn writes:

>In message <199412060221.AA19995@interserv.com>  writes:
>> DEFENDER 90 HARDTOPS NOW IN STOCK... ALLOCATION IS ONLY 5 TOPS/DEALER/MONTH 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>QUESTION for 90 owners
>I still don't know why someone with a US spec 90 couldn't remove the roll 
bar & 
>pop on a European spec 90 hard top.  Can anyone with a 90 tell me why this can 
>not be done?  It just strikes me as a possibly easy cheaper way to get a hard 
>top.
>	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]

I have seen this suggestion before and, although horrified, have kept quiet 
['til now].  Do you think the roll cage is just for show?  You can't imagine 
why anyone would NOT remove the cage; I cannot imagine why anyone WOULD!  

There is another solution and those who read the British Land-Rover 
magazines must have noticed it, as it is quite common.  Cut the bars where 
they pass trough the roof and weld in sandwich plates.  To put on the roof, 
then, it is necessary to remove part of the cage and then reinstall it after 
installation of the top, bolting the sandwich plates through the roof.  Some 
trouble and expense but worth it, IMHO, to preserve the safety of the cage.  

One of the serios flaws of the Land-Rover, to my way of thinking, has always 
been lack of proper roll-over protection and I DO plan to add it to mine, if 
I can ever afford it.  If you have never been in eminent danger of 
roll-over, you have not yet used your Land-Rover hard enough....

Go figure.  Mumble, mumble, mumble......
            
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[ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) Appraiser, R/W Agent, LR aficionado ]
[ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ]

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Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 11:17:39 -0800
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Road & Track Discovery test

Fellow rovers of the net:

I got my new (January) issue of Road & Track magazine the other day and it 
includes a "road test" of the Discovery.  The article is also sort of a 
travel story and philosophical commentary, by Dennis Simanaitus, almost in 
the good ol' Henry N. Manney III vein.  D.S. used the Discovery to tow his 
trailer'd Morgan four-seater all over creation, from So. Cal. to a rallye in 
Portland, OR.  

The Hon. Mr. S. had some really nice things to say.  He commented that the 
Discovery was sort of the Morgan of 4x4 SUVs.  As he said, high praise 
indeed.  He said that, in a sea of Explorers, Blazers, Japanese clones, etc. 
the Discovery stands out in character, appearance, feel, class, and [as 
over- optioned for the test] price.  He said that it really has no 
competitors.  He said that a Land-Rover, of any flavor, is rather like a 
Morgan in that, if you want one, nothing else will do.

I agree whole-heartedly.  In fact, I would rather like to have an old 
flat-nosed Morgan as stable-mate for my Land-Rover(s).
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[ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) Appraiser, R/W Agent, LR aficionado ]
[ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ]

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Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 11:17:05 -0800
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: lug nut sizes

FYI:

I have watched the recent and non-recent discussion about the lug nuts and 
there sizes on various ages of Land-Rovers and want to add a tid-bit.  A few 
years back, I parted out a '68 bug-eyed 88 (or maybe it was one of my '67 or 
'68 109s) which had 1" lug nuts!  They were, I'm pretty sure, the same 
thread as the 15/16" ones but one-sided, like the newer 1-1/16" ones. 

Far out, huh?

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[ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) Appraiser, R/W Agent, LR aficionado ]
[ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ]

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Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 14:53:09 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: List trivia

	While dtd'ng on my system at home, undertaking some *much*
	needed software maintenance, overhaul, reconfiguration,
	archiving of old stuff the following statistics were
	generated:

	Land Rover Mailing-List (lro@stratus.com)

	Month		messages	size (bytes)
	January		104		236,011
	February	210		329,750
	March		283		474,080
	April		385		649,056
	May		351		683,119
	June		452		770,071
	July		309		481,891
	August		615		949,585
	September	453		860,867
	October		504		905,790
	November	575		842,940

	Totals after December... :-)

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Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 12:45:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Morgan Hannaford <morgan@nature.Berkeley.EDU>
Subject: GATT

O.K. all, let's talk politics!!!!!

When I read about the new GATT proposal being embraced by the
Demos and GOP alike, there was only one thing I could think of:

What does it mean for new Land Rover and spares prices here in
the U.S.?  In particular, this huge tariff on 2-door SUVs (e.g. 90s).

Let's go!  Someone call Rush, quick!

Morgan

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Date: Fri,  9 Dec 1994 16:11:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: GATT

Morgan, I thought the same thing. If this is true, what they said, then
the tariff should virtually disappear. But does this apply to the UK. 
Or am I politicly immature?
Lets hope it applies to spare parts and RN and others would reflect that.

Maybe Ross Perrot could give us all some answers. ie;
"yazee, it all goes like this, the big boys is playin with the little
boys and my chart on the wall sez we ain't agettin nowhere. Now I
propose we let ME handle all of it and we all come out OK.   OK?"
Let's hear it for Ross, or from Ross... OK?
Later
Jon

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Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 15:06:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Morgan Hannaford <morgan@nature.Berkeley.EDU>
Subject: Re: GATT

> Maybe Ross Perrot could give us all some answers. ie;
> "yazee, it all goes like this, the big boys is playin with the little
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> propose we let ME handle all of it and we all come out OK.   OK?"
> Let's hear it for Ross, or from Ross... OK?
Is it me, or is Ross Perot sounding more and more like
Hunter S. Thompson?

Well, at least Ross owns Land Rovers!

Morgan

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From: Trinitee@aol.com
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 18:57:37 -0500
Subject: Re: Subscribe

Ooops! It's a 1995 Discovery, automatic,sun roofs, jump seats,leather, et al.
Since I'm on line, I'll ask a couple of questions that maybe you could help
me on. Is there an aftermarket product that I can purchase to cover the
sunroofs temporarily (like a shade, sliding or otherwise)? The flimsy
sunshades that come from the factory are hopeless in the Texas summers. I put
limo tint on to help. Is that ok? I've heard that some sunroofs can crack if
tint is put on it. 

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 1994 19:11:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: OOOO YEAH - I'm just a GQ GUY!

John hears his name and looks up...

> >An 88 with no roof...
> >I took a real close look and this guy is tall.. and looks sorta
oriental...
> >OK John.. fess up.. Is that you?? 

 
> How did you know I was tall???   If we've met before when?  I love to
> associate faces with names.
> No, I have not done any modeling work.   I have been driving around in my 
> roofless rover while wearing a bright elf hat though!

You went to the ARC Nationals, right?? I think you left a message on the 'Net
to the effect that if anyone there saw a tall Korean, it would probably be
you.. No... we've never met.. but I think Steve Denis said he met you and
I know Steve...  No.. we've never met...  

Watch that "bright elf hat" bit... On second thought, your on the west
coast.. no-one will even notice...  ;-)
 
> Problem du jour is zippo clutch pressure - if I bleed the thing, I'm fine
> again 
> ... until the next time a few weeks later - guess rebuild kits for slave

Hopefully, your master and slave are still re-buildable.. Mine wasn't.. But,
I did order a new master and slave from England.. Even with shipping by Air,
the cost was less than buying just the slave from Rovers North. :)

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern)       
              7          1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol
           #:-}>         1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 1994 20:03:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: LRs for Sale

Chris Stevens found this while wrapping fish....

> This morning's Baltimore Sun has the following for sale in case anyone is
> interested: LANDROVERS '56 LWB, runs great, $5750, '57 SWB Safari Wgn,
> $5000; '51 80" Trials winner, $6600. Phone: 301-261-5675.

I recognized the phone number as belonging to Quintin Aspin. Some of us met
Quint at the ROAV Mid-Atlantic Rallye this year.. Quint and his step-son
Mike had the impressive Series I there...  Ben will remember, I'm sure  :)

Bill Maloney was correct. Quint does import Landys from time to time. Has
quite a collection of other cars as well.. And he *is* quite a character.
If anyone is interested in his address, E-Mail me direct.

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern)       
              7          1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol
           #:-}>         1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol

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Subject: Re: LRs for Sale 
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 1994 17:14:04 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

Someone wrote:  
> > This morning's Baltimore Sun has the following for sale in case anyone is
> > interested: LANDROVERS '56 LWB, runs great, $5750, '57 SWB Safari Wgn,
> > $5000; '51 80" Trials winner, $6600. Phone: 301-261-5675.
  
Mike Loiodice wrote:
> I recognized the phone number as belonging to Quintin Aspin. Some of us met
> Quint at the ROAV Mid-Atlantic Rallye this year.. Quint and his step-son
> Mike had the impressive Series I there...  Ben will remember, I'm sure  :)
  
	Remember what?  I don't remember anything.  It was just a nice drive
in the woods with a slight drizzle.  It's not like anyone has any pictures
that can *prove* anything.  Nope, nothing happened.  I sure didn't get stuck.

	:)

-Benjamin Smith
----------------
 Science Applications Internation Corporation
 China Lake Naval Air Warfare Center
 bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil
 1972 Land Rover Series III 88

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Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 22:19:46 -0700 (MST)
From: James Spyker <jspyker@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>
Subject: Installing Block Heater 

I managed to get a new block heater for the Rover, it is a 1" national 
pipe thread unit used on Jags and various other vehicles.  The only 
problem is removing the frost plugs from the engine. These are the 
aluminum disks on the left side of the engine behind the exhaust manifold.
If anyone has a special method of getting these things out your input 
would be appreciated.

BTW when it was minus 27 celsius the Rover would 
not go, the battery I use is too small. What is a good size in terms of 
cold cranking amps. It gets damn cold in Edmonton in the winter.

BTW Dixon is right, EP90 in the cold is like glue, could barely move the 
gearshift in the morning.

JSpyker  196? SIIA 88
(I wave for the hell of it)

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Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 00:54:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: GATT

On Fri, 9 Dec 1994, Morgan Hannaford wrote:

> O.K. all, let's talk politics!!!!!

	Please!

> What does it mean for new Land Rover and spares prices here in
> the U.S.?  In particular, this huge tariff on 2-door SUVs (e.g. 90s).

	Nada for Canada...

> Let's go!  Someone call Rush, quick!

	Spare us Flush please...

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Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 01:09:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Installing Block Heater 

On Fri, 9 Dec 1994, James Spyker wrote:

> I managed to get a new block heater for the Rover, it is a 1" national 
> pipe thread unit used on Jags and various other vehicles.  The only 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> If anyone has a special method of getting these things out your input 
> would be appreciated.

	Why pull a frost plug?   Hit Cajan Tire  and ask for a block heater
	(Tremro?) part number 2200015.  The Cdn Tire number has a different
	starting sequence, but the ending bit is the same.  It goes in just
	under the exhaust outlet for #4.  There will be a plug in there.  A
	real pain to get out, but it can be done.  I have one of those and
	an inline heater in the lower hose for the 109.  For real boiling
	efforts I am waiting for Dale to get the JC Whitless propane 
	powered wonder with mega output and see how that gets his long
	suffering diesel to go,  (It generally will not start afer September)

> BTW Dixon is right, EP90 in the cold is like glue, could barely move the 
> gearshift in the morning.

	Time for some synthetic before you break the gearshift... :-)

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