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Date: 05 Dec 94 06:29:05 EST
From: Leslie from Florida & Liverpool <100042.254@compuserve.com>
Subject: Landy bits

TeriAnne-

    I have talked with a few people about the cabinets and everyone says the
same - you will have to have them made. Unfortunately very few dormobiles (if
any) get junked and the people that have them hang onto them!  I can get
someone to make them out here, but I thik once they are
 shipped it isn't worthwhile.  I can get the dimensions if that is at all
helpful.

 I saw your interest in the fire trucks.  Here is some info on two:

     109 IIa FORWARD CONTROL Conversion Fire Truck
 - Less than 17,000 miles. Red. 2 seats in  front for
 officer & driver and 3 seats in the back for crew.
 Panels straight and frame excellent. Bell, Siren, Horn,
 Hose reel - all the goodies. 250 gallon/minute pump. 3 intakes
 - Hydrant / Suction(from pond) for 454 litre onboard tank.
 The third intake will draw 250 gallons/minute and
 shoot it back out again. Searchlight, Suction hoses,
 Delivery hoses, nossles, tools, standpipe, even original
 uniforms and black helmets can be sourced.\

 1961 Austin Gypsy Fire Tender. (rare!) Chassis # 5944!
 All service history, original log book, just released
 from indoor factory service with 1000 original miles
 on the clock. Main unit includes water tank, hose reel,
 spotlight, siren, light.  Body, frame, and interior all in
 excellent condition. INCLUDES TRAILER with uniforms, helmets,
 hoses etc.

 If your interested, send an email and I'll get you more info.

 Anything else you might want me to check out?
 ------------------------------------------------------------------
 Pierce

 Pintle trailers don't exist for less than 250 pounds and a excellent one
seems to be closer to 400.  Even at the auctions. Most things Land roverish
are significantly cheaper in England, but trailers doesn't seem to be one.  I
guess it is because they are very utilitarian, and there is a lot of need for
that out here.  Oh well.  Hope you have fun with the SI
 fire tender anyhow. It should be arriving mid December.
 __________________________________________________________________

 Dixon (and everyone else who asked)

 Getting back to you on Hydraulic winches. I have a genuine Landrover
hydraulic winch rated at 15,000 lb with everything, including the pipes, pump,
mounting plate, instructions for installation, etc.

 I also have a genuine Landrover 110 winch.  It includes everything - the
bumper includes a bull bar mounting plate that surrounds the winch.

 Email for more info.
 _____________________________________________________________________
 J Pappas

 Welcome to the list.  How is Mass right now.  Pretty cold I imagine. (Of
course it is not exactly wam here in Liverpool)  Anyway just wanted to say hi
and where is my newsletter?!
 _______________________________________________________________________
 Steve

 The IIa 88 - "Guinness" should be in Florida just after Xmas if you want to
view it.  Just leave me an email as to what day.
 _______________________________________________________________________

 ***********************************************************************
 If anyone is interested in recieving a current availability parts and
 vehicles list please email:

 1) name and email address
 2) snail mail address
 3) fax/ph #
 4) interests - ie 109, 88, SI-II-III, winch, cylinder head, etc

 I will try to help anyone on the net to find difficult things to find!!
 ***********************************************************************

 Hope you all had a good turkey day.  Hard to believe Xmas is only 3 weeks
away!

 Cheers

 Leslie

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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 09:50:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Harry Greenspun <hgreensp@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu>
Subject: Diff. Oil Change

  I'm gearing up to change the oil in the diffs, but have run into an
obstacle.  Does anyone know where to get the mysterious 13 mm square drive
wrench?  Whatever happened to the "stripped down with a screw driver and
crescent wrench?" 

Harry
94 Discovery

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: Diff. Oil Change
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 7:05:55 PST

I find the .5 in drive on my socket wrench does the job.
It works on the Defender, and the Range Rover.

Russ
>   I'm gearing up to change the oil in the diffs, but have run into an
> obstacle.  Does anyone know where to get the mysterious 13 mm square drive
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> Harry
> 94 Discovery

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Date: 05 Dec 94 10:03:10 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Selling my 109 ?

 > Stefan: still haven't sold that LHD SIII eh ?

...well, no.  And now, after the first 'V8-euphoria' has settled, I don't
think I will.  Ok, a S.III 109 4-cyl. and a '87 RR EFi are two different
worlds, and, needless to say, the Range is a luxurious and powerful piece of
machinery, and very able off-road as I've found out myself.  But now that
I've got to know "both worlds" and own both of these beasts, I can say this
much:  The Range, with all its perfection, comfort and power, doesn't have
nearly the charm, charisma and spirit of the 109.  The Range doesn't have...
a soul!  Like with the 109, I would sometimes talk to it, either angry if it
did some monkey business, or then again even patting it on the bonnet after
it got me through a very tight spot or a difficult situation, delivering
incredible power and performance after all these years...  Now with the
Range, I would feel *silly* talking to it; after all, it's just a ...
machine!  Say what you like, a Range (or Disco, for that matter) simply
doesn't have, and never will have, the 'personality' of a Series.  This has
nothing to do with performance, or durability, or corrosion or whatever, it's
totally futile to embark on such discussions.  It has to do with emotions or,
as TeriAnn once coined, 'being strange' and therefore cannot be grasped by
reason or logic.
So, for the time being I've laid up the 109 in a barn nearby to give it a
dry, salt-free rest for the winter (yes, I have changed all the liquids
and covered the springs with grease), and next year, who knows, I might
treat it to a new galvanized frame (perhaps coil-sprung??). No, I don't
think I'll sell it after all. Unless, of course, someone comes along and
makes me the proverbial * offer I can't refuse *. And what would I do
with all that money? Buy a Series, naturally...

Raving mad,

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:58:07 -0500
From: Chrisste@cerf.net (Chris Stevens)
Subject: NOW A LAND ROVER OWNER

As many of you may have noticed, I am now the proud owner of Bill's 69 SIIA
88. This is my first LR so I'm bound to have a lot of questions. First,
though, I have to learn how to get in second gear.

As I told Bill, it took us (the LR and me) about 10 hours to make the trek
from Troy, NY to Baltimore last Friday. We arrived about 1 am Saturday
after an uneventful trip. That is if you call cruising at 50 mph on I-88,
I-81, and I-83 uneventful. I did get my share of honks and strange hand
signals.

Just wanted to the introduction.

Chris Stevens
BCG Corporate Communications
(410) 583-1722
(410) 583-1935 (FAX)
Chrisste@cerf.net

 R  1  3     2   H            "Land Rover's first, becuase
 +--|--|     |   |             Land Rovers last."
 2  4        4   L            '69 S.IIa 88"

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Date: Mon, 05 Dec 1994 11:57:53 -0500
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Harry's Plugged

Harry asks:
     
none
I'm gearing up to change the oil in the diffs, but have run into an
obstacle.  Does anyone know where to get the mysterious 13 mm square drive
wrench?  Whatever happened to the "stripped down with a screw driver and
crescent wrench?" 
none

Harry, Harry, Harry... (sigh) :-)

Take your 1/2" ratchet (a short extension might be helpful), stick the end in 
the hole and turn counter clockwise.  Actually, I'm glad you brought this up. 
I know a lot of other SERIES LAND ROVER owners who DON'T change their diff 
oil.  EVER.  Even after years of repeated wading.  Gads!  Those HOOLIGANS 
could LEARN something from you :-).

(Don't feel that you're the only one who overlooks the obvious.  I spent 3 
hours last week trying to track down 3/8" male spade connectors all over 
Passaic county to make a 3 way junction to finish off my alternator 
conversion without splicing wires.  No luck.  Then I wound up splicing and 
soldering the 3 wires together anyway in a matter of minutes.  Duh).

Bill

I wave at Bim... Oh, never mind!

maloney@wings.attmail.com

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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 08:22:26 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: REDLINE FOR A 2/14 PETROL IN A 1971 88 IIA

In message <9s2kwc5w165w@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca>  writes:
> My first message on this thing so I guess I'm no longer a virgin (Ha Ha)
> does any one know what the red line setting should be at on a 2 1/4 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
> Nepean, Ontario, Canada       |    1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean
> (OVLR's InterNet site)        |    Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4

The 2-1/4 pertol in my 109 never really liked to rev much over 4K RPM  It seems 
to run out of steam.  So I usually make my shift point somewhere between 3.6 & 
4K RPM.  On long trips, I like to cruise at about 3200 RPM  The car feels like 
it is working too hard for me to want cruise above 3500 RPM for any extended 
time.

I have replaced my big triple guage with a MGB tach and some small guages.
1967 & earlier MGBs are positive earth.  1968 & later are negative earth.  The 
MGB tach is electrical & fits very nicely in the opening for a large Land Rover 
guage (Series II, don't know about the later cars).

                       
                      

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
              
                         
                       

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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 11:25:17 EST
From: robdav@sunshine.vab.paramax.com (Robert Davis)
Subject: Re:  The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

In search of Series III V8 components...
Well after making the Atlanta trip with a 2.25 powered 109 towing a
heavy trailer, I have decided to put together something with more
power.  This weekend I dragged out a 109 2 door and took it down
to the body shop.  I have decided to putin a Chevy six.  I have
not found the engine yet, but will use the 250 or 292 six cylinder.
Since the vehicle was a four cylinder a little extra space will be
required.  I've seen the conversion John Door did and was impressed
with the power.  The thing I did not like about John's conversion 
(also originally a 4 cyl) was the fact that he cut most of the front
radiator support away to make room for the longer engine.  He used 
a Series III front radiator support that had been cut away (really
a lot cut away) with Series III front fender panels.  I would like
to use the stage I Series III front rad support as at the top of
page 42 of November, 1994 LRO.  Does anyone know where I could
buy a reasonably priced Stage I Series III panel & bonnet like
the one pictured on page 42?

I have a friend in Suffolk Va that wants to put his 109 six cyl
back on the road, Wiley Browning.  Wiley has a 109 that he 
wants to put the Santana six cylinder in his NADA.  Does anyone
know of any speciality shops in Spain or elsewhere that could
be contacted to purchase an engine or I might try an obtain
the santana front radiator support as pictured on page 149
of the same Nov. issue.
Last question - we both want to use 3.54 Salisbury axles from
stage I Series III V8s.
Thanks,
R&D

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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 09:34:17 -0800
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: Wide wheels and tyres

Mark asks:
>I wnat to put 16 X 7 white spokes on my Land Rover, anyone recommend any good 
>wheels and possibly tyres (TIRES) to fit on them. I was thinking BF Goodrich 
>all terrain. Any used those ? Anyone have an idealy of the widest tyre that 
>will fit on a 7" rim ? I was thinking 265x70 
none

Yes, this is the size used on the U.S.-spec Defender 90.  Also, 235/85 and 
255/85 will fit just fine.  Or, you could get really crazy and fit 9.00x16 
Michelin XCLs, truly the mud tyres from hell.  Note also that the stock 
five-slot steel Land-Rover Discovery wheels (stock, that is, on older 
euro-spec Discoveries) will work, can be bought used semi-reasonably from 
England, and look much more "Roverly" than the American-type white-spoke 
wheels.  There are suppliers in the U.S. from which you can get white spoke 
and probably white "modular"-style wheels but I don't know who they are.  
Jackman used to make these wheels for Rovers but I don't know who handles 
that line anymore, if anyone.  Check with some of the big wheel suppliers 
who advertise in the American four-wheel drive magazines.  From some of 
these, you can get package deals with the tires already mounted for a pretty 
good price.
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) Appraiser, R/W Agent, LR aficionado ]
[ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ]

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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 09:34:02 -0800
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Thor hubs

Fellow Netters:

A Land-Rover that I purchased recently is equipped with some strange-looking 
hubs, with no "obvious" (that is, on the face) mechanism to allow you to 
engage or disengage them.  So I cleaned one up for a closer look.  On the 
face, spaced through the six attachment bolts, are the following words:  
THOR Automotive Products, Colorado Springs, Colorado.  The face is flat, 
except for a slight bulge in the center.  The body, including the face 
plate, is about 2" deep.  The sides are smooth but a careful look shows a 
large, flush, slotted screw-head with a dimple on one side.  Stamped into 
the hub are the words "In" and, 180 degrees away, "Out."  So it appears that 
turning the "screw" will engage or disengage the hub.  Until I found that 
little "screw," I thought that they must be automatic hubs.  

I have never seen such hubs before, has anyone else out there?  Does anyone 
know if they are indeed automatic?  Is there a special tool for operating 
that "screw" on the side (appears that it would be pretty hard to get at it 
with a screwdriver, especially if you had wide wheels).  

I wonder how many kinds of hubs there have been to fit the series 
Land-Rovers?  Quite a few, apparently!
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) Appraiser, R/W Agent, LR aficionado ]
[ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ]

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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 09:59:04 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Common parts

In message <199412041556.AA08052@interserv.com>  writes:
> All, 
> Land Rover reversing lights are the same as MGB's. Also, the lamp assemblies 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> Rovers
> Mark

Also, the Luca panel switches available for the TR3, is a better quality  look 
alike to the push - pull switches on the earlier series IIa.  The license plate 
lamp on my IIa is the same as is on my TR3 and many other British cars.  Then of
course there are the solder on bullit connectors & thier barrel connectors.
The fuse block is the same on my Land Rover, MGBGT and TR3.  I suspect the 
solinoid is the same accross generator equipped cars.

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
              
                         
                       

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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 10:07:56 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: equipment

so do I have the only Land Rover on the list that has a Vancouver winch made in 
Vancouver B.C.???

It was on the LR when I purchased it, and I suspect was put on when she still 
lived in Canada.  I don't know what the rating of this winch is, but I have 
never seen it stall.

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
              
                         
                       

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From: costales@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (Bryan Costales)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:16:35 -0800
Subject: Sought: Tilley heater/lamp

I am trying to locate a Tilley kerosene heater/lamp. It is a pump-up
base, with interchangable heads. One for the heater, one for the lamp.
A reflector is also available.

I believe they are manufactured in either England or Canada. They definitely
do not appear to be available here in the U.S.A. Any suggestions
will help. The manufactur's phone or fax number would be ideal. I
am even willing to buy a used one.

I no longer subscribe to this list (preparing for vacation), so please
reply directly to me at:
	
	costales@icsi.berkeley.edu

-- 
Bryan Costales -- Systems Manager, International Computer Science Institute
Internet: bcx@icsi.berkeley.edu                         BITNET: bcx@ucbicsi
37 degrees 52.193 minutes north by          122 degrees 16.277 minutes west 
URL:                                http://www.icsi.berkeley.edu/~costales/

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From: YVES1@delphi.com
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 1994 13:31:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

 
> I'm *drooling*!  From the article, it sounds like they've sorta made the 
> Rover a stock conversion.  Anyone know what they want for it?  (he says 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> >is also a friend of the guy I was just doing EV work for). Roger has his
> >contract info, etc...

Hmmmmm..... wonder if Joseph V.  Lucas is doing the wiring on this? 

Yves Albert (Al {"Al"}) Feder
Yves1@Delphi.com
 At the Big Red House On Top of the Hill  
 Radio W1EOX AM/FM/SSB/CW/TCP-IP
Home of Tiny Radio Theatre, KA1RJS, AND
Eric, the Mad Megalomaniac Bull Cavy

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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 10:49:28 PST
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re:  Diff. Oil Change

If it's the same as an RR, you can use a 1/2 inch socket drive (which
is so close to 13 mm it doesn't matter).

John Brabyn
89RR

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Subject: Re: Harry's Plugged 
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 1994 10:49:29 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

Bill Maloney wrote:
  
> Take your 1/2" ratchet (a short extension might be helpful), stick the end in
> the hole and turn counter clockwise.  Actually, I'm glad you brought this up.
> I know a lot of other SERIES LAND ROVER owners who DON'T change their diff 
> oil.  EVER.  Even after years of repeated wading.  Gads!  Those HOOLIGANS 
> could LEARN something from you :-).
 
	Wow, for once I can take the moral high ground.  I was a good boy.
On Friday my 88 got 7 new quarts of 10w-30, a new Fram Ph-8A oil filter
and about a gallon and a half of new 90w.  I drained and refilled the both
diffs, both swivel balls, gearbox, transfer case and overdrive.  Now it
will be alot easier for everyone to track me because there is more oil to
leak out. 

	Now lets see if I can remember to drain and refill all the gear oil
in 9000 miles...

-Benjamin Smith
----------------
 Science Applications Internation Corporation
 China Lake Naval Air Weapons Center
 bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil
 1972 Land Rover Series III 88

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From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner)
Subject: Re: Harry's Plugged
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 14:17:20 -0500 (EST)

> 	Now lets see if I can remember to drain and refill all the gear oil
> in 9000 miles...

	There is incentive to get the water out before winter here.  If
	you don't, you need another 4x4 to tow you about while you
	try to break the ice up in the diff.  There are a number of
	diffs about here with dent marks on the backing plate pushing
	*out*.

	Rgds,

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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 11:20:27 PST
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: New Range Rover and Range Rover Classic

I have just read the reports on the new RR in Four Wheeler and 4WD & Off-Road
magazines (which were a month later than Car & Driver to have a report!!). A 
couple of bits of info were added to previous reports; 

1. LRNA will continue to import the old RR in the 100 inch wheelbase version
as the "Range Rover Classic". This model will have the new interior recently
introduced on the County LWB, and the air suspension & traction control.

(It will have the 3.9 engine)

2. The US version of the new RR will only have the 4.0 litre engine, not
the top-of-the-line 4.5. The 4.0 is 190 bhp and 236 lb-ft.

3. The four wheeler editors think the off road capoability of the new RR
is "not much" compromised. The under chassis ground clearance is less,
dep[arture angle less, and expected suspension flex (ramp travel index)
less than the "Classic" style. The approach angle with spoiler is slightly 
better.

FYI

Cheers

John Brabyn
Mill Valley, Ca
89RR

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Subject: Re: Harry's Plugged 
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 1994 12:27:07 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

I wrote:
> > 	Now lets see if I can remember to drain and refill all the gear oil
> > in 9000 miles...
  
Dixon wrote:
> 	There is incentive to get the water out before winter here.  If
> 	you don't, you need another 4x4 to tow you about while you
> 	try to break the ice up in the diff.  There are a number of
> 	diffs about here with dent marks on the backing plate pushing
> 	*out*.

	The possibility of getting water in the diffs from wading (not that
I'm currently in any danger of this--being that I live in the desert) has
cause me to think that I might be a good idea to replace the axle breather
with a piece of tubing that goes up at least as high as the hardtop/load
bead boundary.  That way the breather won't rust shut or let water in.

	Having water freeze in your diff would really suck.  It ranks up
there with a story related to me by a friend.  My friend grew up in 
Anchorage, Alaska and related to me that you had to be careful where 
you parked your car.  He mention that at school one day a kid parked
his pickup with the front tyres in puddles of water.  The puddles froze
overnight.  The next day the kid jumped in the truck (and after stating it)
slammed it into gear and gave it a lot of wellie.  The tyres shattered/ripped.

-Benjamin Smith
----------------
 Science Applications Internation Corporation
 China Lake Naval Air Weapons Center
 bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil
 1972 Land Rover Series III 88

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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 14:09:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Morgan Hannaford <morgan@nature.Berkeley.EDU>
Subject: LPS ingredient

I got out my chem. text and unabridged dictionary and found the
following:

aliphatic hydrocarbons = fancy name for parrafin/wax type stuff

Ciao,
Morgan

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Date: Mon, 05 Dec 94 15:07:54 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: CD player for Discovery. :(

FROM:  David Brown                          Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: CD player for Discovery. :(
Thanks for all your input! The bottom line is Land Rover changes the
"standard" interface so that none but their own systems will integrate
with the head stereo unit. Thanks Jeff Layton for the tip on
Crutchfields, they ARE very helpful (especially Sharon ;) ) Sharon
checked with their R/D department on this before she called me back to
give me the bad news.

Now, the choices are: $580 for a "factory" unit from Atlantic British or
LRNA. or $400-$500 for a FM modulated unit.

Does anyone have an FM modulated unit? How good are they??? Any
recommendations?

#=====#                  Never doubt that a small group of individuals
|___|__\___              can change the world... indeed, it's the only
| _ |   |_ |             thing that ever has.
"(_)""""(_)"                                            -Margaret Mead

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: LPS ingredient
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 18:52:59 EST

> I got out my chem. text and unabridged dictionary and found the
> following:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> Ciao,
> Morgan

Yeah, ok, we'll take that too.  The term is about as vague as you
can get, and encompasses everything from methane to parrafin.  
Typically (ie to a chemist), an aliphatic hydrocarbon refers to
so-called "lower alkanes" like the solvents I stated earlier, but
you are certainly right-it could also mean "higher alkanes" like
parrafin as well.  Sorry, I should have had a more "open mind".
(Maybe I'm just subconsciously trying to convince myself that it
was ok to dump sixty bucks worth of british goop on nigel's 
tummy.)

So maybe it does have wax in it.....perhaps we can get you to do
a taste test??  (Hint: have the Scotch close at hand).

yum,
rd/nigel

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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 19:39:07 -0500 (EST)
From: "Hal A. Lightwood" <halightw@FLASH.LakeheadU.CA>
Subject: starter again

Well I put new lock washers on, and made sure everything was nice and
tight, and yet again, my starter has jarred loose and jammed in the
flywheel.  Except this time, the starter casing has cracked.  I don't
understand why this would happen, and I am afraid to put a new starter in
if this is going to continue for fear of wrecking it as well.  

Does anybody have any idea why this is happening?  I am SURE it wasn't the
lock washers, I put brand new ones on.  

 Hal A. Lightwood <halightw@thunder.lakeheadu.ca>

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From: Brian_Foster_at_ASTISHR@ccmailsmtp.ast.com
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 94 17:14:19 PST
Subject: VIRUS ALERT (fwd)

Thought you'd appreciate knowing about this... seems to be true.
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Brian
88 Land Rover Range Rover
74 BMW 2002Tii
64 Porsche 356SC
61 BMW 600 (<= Still for sale)
Editor, "Fahren Affairs" (newsletter of the San Diego BMW CCA)
Rancho Santa Margarita, CA
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 Subject: VIRUS ALERT (fwd)
 Author:  Janice Hecksel at ASTISHR
 Date:    12/5/94 5:02 PM
 
 Nicole M. Roseberry
 nicmrose@wam.umd.edu
 
 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 04 Dec 1994 10:12:55 
 -0500
 From: Germaine Warkentin <warkent@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
 
 A virus is circulating on the Internet.  If you receive a message with 
 the header "xxx-1" DO NOT READ IT.  Delete immediately or your disk will 
 require treatment by a virus-scanner.  I have had two copies of this 
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University of Toronto
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Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 03:03:33 +0200 (METDST)
From: S|ren Vels Christensen <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
Subject: Re: starter again

On Mon, 5 Dec 1994, Hal A. Lightwood wrote:

> Well I put new lock washers on, and made sure everything was nice and
> tight, and yet again, my starter has jarred loose and jammed in the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> lock washers, I put brand new ones on.  
>  Hal A. Lightwood <halightw@thunder.lakeheadu.ca>

Hal,

OK, i'm not much of a starter wiz so i haven't been following the thread.
Anyway you might appreciate a layman's 2c worth.

Did you dismantle the starter earlier? Did everything look symmetric? With
all that copperwire and magnets inside and with the rotation speed of a 
starter, even a little lopside will make the starter want to get out of the
casing, like a maniac in a loonysuit. Does the axle fit the bearings? If
not, a tooth on the starter pinion might land on a tooth on the starter ring.
Perhaps it might also happen if pinion and ring are badly worn.
And the silly question: Does the ignition key return immediately when you
start?

Perhaps some experienced expert will comment (out) the above. At least to
limit the possibilities.

Good luck

+----------------------------+--------------------------------+
| Soren Vels                 | 1976  sIII  109"   2.25 petrol |
| velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk     | "Lawrence of Arabia"           |    ((|||))
| Royal Danish Air Force     | Dansk Land-Rover Klub no. 3564 |   ((|||))
| Communications Specialist  | DL-RK: Approx. 1000 members.   |    ((|||))
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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 18:21:24 -0800
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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 19:23:25 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: RE: Ascii Rovers

Granville made some nice mods to my ascii attempts and wrote...
>And, I gotta say, I admire and applaud your work!  Improving or enhancing it
>was a lot harder than it looked!  

You did some nice work on it!  (I've got it saved.)

>Do you really have three door hinges?  Mrs. Gord'n Perrott, dba Stephanie 
>Cshing, had that set-up and used the two bottom ones with a normal 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>and out of the used parts bin.  Do you take your top off and use a tailgate 
>similarly?

Well, actually, I only have two for now.  I *do* plan on getting a third, 
however.  That and diamond plate for the back, and move the tire holder up a 
bit.  A standard Scotty-mod.  That strengthens the door so you can hang a 
tire on it without warping it, and gets it out of the way of the tow ball.  

I've not done the tailgate bit, but I have seen it (I think Dan Dachel of 
Wellington Rovers had one) and it is really nice.  I would like to do that 
with my 88" if I can convince my brother/girlfriend to let me put a pickup 
top on it.  <g>

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 19:23:39 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Rita, Rita, (Kilo)Metre Maid

Michael Loiodice pointed out the familial navigational problems...
>So Roger... this east-west mixed up thing runs in the family, eh?
>Roger sez...
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>> pointed in the right direction?  
>If she's heading EAST on 80 we'll be sure to get her turned around!!

But really, I have an excellent sense of direction!  Honest!  I knew exactly 
where I was that 4th of July weekend...

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 19:23:36 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Ascii Rovers - Old & New (Long)

Here's what I have so far...  If someone knows how to send this to the web, 
I'd appreciate it...  There's a couple of new ones I worked up this weekend 
at the end.

 /==============\
 |      |       |
[|______|_______|]
 /___/^^^^^^\___\
 |(@) [####] (@)|
 | o  [####]  o |
 ======%%%%======
 {*}={&&}====={*}
 {*}          {*}

=====__
|[__]|_\_==_
|    |      ]
 (@)-----(@) 

   #=====#
   |___|__\___
   |   |   |  |
"  "`O'""""`O'"

# # # # # # # # # # # # # >>  ================\
  "YOU MUsT REMEMBER THIS"    |----------||@  \\   ___
 *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*    |____|_____|||_/_\\_|___|_
  It ain't nezezzarily so!   <|  ___\    ||     | ____  | --->>Elysium
        ++++++++++           <| /    |___||_____|/    | |              
= = = = = = = = = = = = = >> ||/  O  |__________/  O  |_||
   jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu         \___/ LAND ROVER \___/

            /~~~~~~//~~~~~~~/              @
           /      //       /             _/~\/   67-RED 109"
        []]]]]]]]]]]------/               _|     ROADSTER PICKUP
        []]]]]]]]]]]=======|_____========((==|   WITH A GUMMY MAN         
   ____=========_____------|    |            |   IN THE BACK
  |    |/|@) (@|     |     |    |            |
  | ** |/|  || | * * | ___ |    |      __    |
  |    |/|||||||     |{    \____|_____/   \  |
  |____|/|_____|_____|[    }\_________}   ]\_||
 |___________________|[    }         |[   ]
    \    /          \ \   /          \\   }
     ~~~~            ~ ~~~             ~~~

                      .________________._____
                    /~~~~~~~//~~~~~~~~//~~~~~|
                   /       //        //      |
                  /_\.___ //__ \.___//_______|
        O       [%%%%%%%%%] O=====] |[_______]
       __\__ ===========___/_ --------}==========================
      |**   |/|(@ ## (@|   **|        |     []|                  |)
      |     |/| ###### |     | _____  |       |         ___      |
      |_____|/|_######_|____ |/_  _  \}_______|________/_  _\    |.
     |________________________|     \ \_______________//     \\ / 
       |%{  @  }            |%{  @  }                |%{  @  }
        \%\   /              \%\   /                  \%\   / 
          ~~~~                 ~~~~                     ~~~~
                                    
                   1966 Land Rover Series IIA 109"

 ================\
 |----------||@  \\   ___
 |____|_____|||_/_\\_|___|_
<|  ___\    ||     | ____  |
<| /    |___||_____|/    | |
||/  O  |__________/  O  |_||
   \___/ LAND ROVER \___/

         ______
        |______\_____
*---   [|_/-\____/-\_|}
  *---    (O)    (O)        

(For those who's Rover only runs half the time...)
___________________ 
___________        \
_________  \________|,
         \  | .---. |
          |'%,|   | |
          | | |   | |
          | | |   | | ,---,
----------' | `---' |/'---'
            |-------`,
           '%,       |
            |   (o)  |
---.        |   (o)  |
O  |        |        |
 O |        |        |
---'       '%,       |
____________|________|
_____,-----------'~~~~
             | \~/ |
             |_____|

         .---------------------------------. 
        /        ___________________        \
      ,|________/  _______________  \________|,
       | .---. |  /               \  | .---. |
       | |   | | |                 |'%,|   | |
       | |   | | |                 | | |   | |
 ,---, | |   | | |                 | | |   | | ,---,
 `---'\| `---' | `-----------------' | `---' |/'---'
      ,'-------|  ___                |-------`,
      |        | /__,|              '%,       |
      |  (o)   | `---'               |   (o)  |
      |  (o)   |       .-----.       |   (o)  |
      |.------.|       |  O  |       |        |
      ||INDY 1||       | O O |       |        |
      |`------'|       `-----'      '%,       |
      |________|_____________________|________|
      ~~~~'----------,_________,----------'~~~~
       | \~/ |                         | \~/ |
       |_____|                         |_____|

         .---------------------------------. 
        /        ___________________        \
      ,|________/  _______________  \________|,
       | .---. |  /               \  | .---. |
       | |   | | |                 |'%,|   | |
       | |   | | |                 | | |   | |
 ,---, | |   | | |                 | | |   | | ,---,
 `---'\| `---' | `-----------------' | `---' |/'---'
      ,'-------|  ___                |-------`,
      |        | /__,|              '%,       |
      |  (o)   | `---'               |   (o)  |
      |  (o)   |       .-----.       |   (o)  |
      |.------.|       |  O  |       |        |
      ||INDY 1||       | O O |       |        |
      |`------'|       `-----'      '%,       |
      |________|_____________________|________|
      ~~~~'----------,_________,----------'~~~~
       | \~/ |~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_____/~~~~~| \~/ |
       | \~/ |                ~        | \~/ |
       | \~/ |                         | \~/ |
       \_____/                         \_____/

         .---------------------------------. 
        /        ___________________        \
      ,|________/  _______________  \________|,
       | .---. |  /               \  | .---. |
       | |   | | |                 |'%,|   | |
       | |   | | |                 | | |   | |
 ,---, | |   | | |                 | | |   | | ,---,
 `---'\| `---' | `-----------------' | `---' |/'---'
      ,'=======|  ___                |=======`,
      |(o)     | /__,|              '%,    (o)|
      |(o)     | `---'  _____        |     (o)|
      |.------.|       |  O  |       |       ||
      ||INDY 1||       | O O |       | (GB)  ||
      |`------'|       `-----'      '%,      || 
      ||_______|_____________________|_______||
      \         ( )     | _ |                 /
       \~~~~'----------,|'-'|----,------'~~~~/
       |\\~//|_~~~~~~~~~'~~~.___/~~~~~_|\\~//|
       |\\~//|                         |\\~//|
       |_\_/_|                         |_\_/_|

Some 109" side views...

                                                        o
  .----------------------------------......._____       |
  |______________________________________________`_,    |
  |  .--------------..--------------.  |.----------,\   |
  |  |              ||              |  ||           \\  |
  |  |              ||              |  ||            \\ |
  |  |              ||              |  ||             \\|_
  |  `--------------''--------------'  ||              \\/ .---------.
  |____________________________________||_______________\\_(_________)_
  | .---.                        .---. |                `%,------------~-.
  | |(O)|                        |(O)| |  __             |               |
 (| `---'                        `---' | (- \            |               |)
 (|                                    |  ~~             |               |
  |                                    |                 |               |
  |       __,---,__                    |                `%,  __,---,__   |_
 =|______//       \\___________________|_________________|__//       \\__|_]
         |   .-.   |                                        |   .-.   |
         |   `-'   |                                        |   `-'   |
          \_     _/                                          \_     _/ 
            `---'                                              `---'   

  o-----------o-----------o-----------o------------o
  |___________|___________|___________|____________|    o
  |-----------|-----------|----------.|....._____  |    |
  |___________|___________|___________|__________`_|    |
  |  .--------------..--------------.  |.----------,\   |
  |  |              ||              |  ||           \\  |
  |  |              ||              |  ||            \\ |
  |  |              ||              |  ||             \\|_
  |  `--------------''--------------'  ||              \\/ .---------.
  |____________________________________||_______________\\_(_________)_
  | .---.                        .---. |                `%,------------~-.
  | |(O)|                        |(O)| |  __             |               |
 (| `---'                        `---' | (- \            |               |)
 (|                                    |  ~~             |               |
  |                                    |                 |               |
  |       __,---,__                    |                `%,  __,---,__   |_
 =|______//       \\___________________|_________________|__//       \\__|_]
         |   .-.   |                                        |   .-.   |
         |   `-'   |                                        |   `-'   |
          \_     _/                                          \_     _/ 
            `---'                                              `---'   

                                                        o
                                        _.-------._     |
                                       /___________\    |
                                       :.----------,\   |
                                       ||           \\  |
                                       ||            \\ |
                                       ||             \\|_
                                       ||              \\/ .---------.
  .____________________________________||_______________\\_(_________)_
  | .---.                        .---. |                `%,------------~-.
  | |(O)|                        |(O)| |  __             |               |
 (| `---'                        `---' | (- \            |               |)
 (|                                    |  ~~             |               |
  |                                    |                 |               |
  |       __,---,__                    |                `%,  __,---,__   |_
 =|______//       \\___________________|_________________|__//       \\__|_]
         |   .-.   |                                        |   .-.   |
         |   `-'   |                                        |   `-'   |
          \_     _/                                          \_     _/ 
            `---'                                              `---'   

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 19:24:00 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Electric Land-Rovers

I wrote...
>I found two copies of _Electric_Car_ magazine at the magazine *kiosk* (near 
>the food court) in Serramonte Shopping Center.  One is mine, the other is 
>available for whoever wants it for cover cost + shipping.  

If you don't want the whole magazine, with colour photo, I can fax a copy to 
whoever wants one.  

Lemme know...

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 19:23:41 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: REDLINE FOR A 2/14 PETROL IN A 1971

The Tach on my 109" was set with the redline at about 3000.  Scotty said it 
could run a lot higher than that, so I keep it around there.  Around 3100 = 
70mph so I'm happy.  Usually on the freeway, I go between 2800 - 3100 (except 
going uphill) in 4th/OD.  I've gotten it up to 3700-3800 by accident a few 
times (enjoying the scenery and not paying attention to my speed) and it 
doesn't sound terrible, but it worries me.  (Probably more than the rover.)

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner)
Subject: Re: starter again
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 22:55:39 -0500 (EST)

> Does anybody have any idea why this is happening?  I am SURE it wasn't the
> lock washers, I put brand new ones on.  

	You changed the washers and now after running the engine the casing
	has cracked?  This is the right starter right?  The only way that 
	the case could be cracked is if it was not on flush thus not 
	disengaging properly.  You have the right flywheel and bellhousing?
	This should not be happening.

	

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From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner)
Subject: Re: VIRUS ALERT (fwd)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 23:05:17 -0500 (EST)

> Thought you'd appreciate knowing about this... seems to be true.

>  A virus is circulating on the Internet.  If you receive a message with 
>  the header "xxx-1" DO NOT READ IT.  Delete immediately or your disk will 
>  require treatment by a virus-scanner.  I have had two copies of this 
>  message this morning (Sunday) already, but was warned by an early 
>  morning phone call from a friend who got hit.

	Being no UNIX expert, but rather familiar with DOS having a message
	with a virus string contained within it is not going to infect 
	your system.  All a mail reader will do is read text and display 
	it on the screen.  You are not executing this series of assembler 
	commands.  (Besides,  how will this string fuck up my DOS based
	machine at home, my UNIX box at work, my Micro-Vax VMS system at
	my friends house all at once?  It can't)

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Date: Tue, 6 Dec 94 16:54:14 +1100
From: lloyd@indy14.cs.monash.edu.au (Lloyd Allison)

Someone was asking about L-R seatbelts a little while back.
This is related -

   ...
   A little over a year later [ie 1949 ish] the first Land-Rover arrived
   [on] the Snowy Mountains Hydro ELectric Scheme.
   ...
   Also this was the 1st time that Australian engineers started to influence
   the design of 4WD products from Solihull. In fact by 1961 the entire
   fleet had been fitted with seatbelts - a world first.
   ...

from  `In the Beginning' by B. Woodward
      National Four Wheeler 6(2) p21 Winter 1994

Lloyd
Dept. of Computer Science, Monash University, Clayton, Victoria 3168, AUSTRALIA
tel: 61 3 905 5205       fax: 61 3 905 5146       email: lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 1994 01:52:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re:  The Land Rover Owner Daily Dige

Robert sez...

> In search of Series III V8 components...
> Well after making the Atlanta trip with a 2.25 powered 109 towing a
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> Since the vehicle was a four cylinder a little extra space will be
> required.  I've seen the conversion John Door did and was impressed

Robert..
Did you consider using a GM V-6???  I think it's the same bolt pattern and
it's a much shorter engine.. Pretty smooth motor, to boot.

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern)       
              7          1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol
           #:-}>         1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 1994 01:52:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Selling my 109 ?

Another one bites the dust...

Stefan sez...

>  > Stefan: still haven't sold that LHD SIII eh ?
> ...well, no.  And now, after the first 'V8-euphoria' has settled, I don't
> think I will.  Ok, a S.III 109 4-cyl. and a '87 RR EFi are two different
none
--snip--
> much:  The Range, with all its perfection, comfort and power, doesn't have
> nearly the charm, charisma and spirit of the 109.  The Range doesn't
> have...
> a soul!  Like with the 109, I would sometimes talk to it, either angry if
--snip--
> machine!  Say what you like, a Range (or Disco, for that matter) simply
> doesn't have, and never will have, the 'personality' of a Series.  This
> has
> nothing to do with performance, or durability, or corrosion or whatever,
--snip--

Aye, laddie... it's a sickness.. it burrows deep into yer brain, yer soul
and yer pocketbook.. This love of old, leaky, rattling machines.. You dream
of them at night... In the dead of winter when the snow is deep you'll be
bringing pieces of it into the house to be disassembled on the kitchen table.
Soon, you'll be hoarding spare parts under your bed... Then you'll find
another Series truck for sale and you'll do everything but sell the children
to get it... And another... and another...

Ain't it great??

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern)       
              7          1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol
           #:-}>         1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol

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