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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Military LR chassis underseal
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 09:25:13 UNDEFINED

.I have previously owned 3 ex-military Land Rovers, all of which had the
.thick underseal applied to their chassis. I found that as it aged, it
.tended to lift away from the metal underneath and retain water against
.the metal all the time. This is a serious problem here on the island
.because of the ubiquitous salt spray (and the odd boat launching). While
.I was rebuilding my last Series III, I had the chassis shot blasted to
.remove all traces of underseal and rust. This cost me about 20 pounds at
.a Glasgow metal finishers. After a bit of hole patching, I then enlarged
.all the drain holes in the bottom of the chassis rails and drilled new
.ones in the closed bits, e.g the bulkhead outriggers.
.Following numerous coats of Hammerite paint, I poured about a gallon of
.Waxoyl diluted with white spirit down the inside of each chassis rail
.and turned it over a few times to coat all the walls (strong assistants
.recommended!)
.I don't know if you will need to use such drastic measures, but I would
.certainly advise removing the underseal. The rebuilt rover lived on the
.island for seven years until I sold it a few months ago without any
.chassis corrosion problems.

This is a universal problem with underseal. THE STUFF IS POISON!!

NEVER EVER underseal a vehicle if you plan on keepping it a long time, adn if 
it is already undersealed. strip it. Or at teh very minimum, wirebrush it with 
nails adn wax all the bits that fall off - repeat at regular intervals.

Waxoyl, old gear oil, etc work fine. But underseal is a cosmetic layer to fool 
 new car buyers that dont know better into thinking their new pride adn joy 
will last. (It usually does last the couple of years till they sell it,, then 
the poor sod that buys secondhand watches his floorpan fall apart under 
him........)

I'm astonished at the military using underseal.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
        Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway
+++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: D-90 only does 90
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 09:31:05 UNDEFINED

. I found out that I can`t keep up with the 100MPH traffic in the 
.left lane. The 90 cuts off at 90 MPH. The R-Rover will only do
.98 with the roof rack on so I guess its not too bad.....

Life's so hard.

My 90 has a hard time getting over 60mph.

My heart bleeds for you.

.So far I am ave about 16 MPG at 70mph.

But I get 30mpg at 50mph. Mpg at 70mph is nobbut a pipedream......

(ps, it would do 80mph on teh old standard Avon Traction Mileage 6.50x16 
Xplies, but teh 205x16 radials really slug it - but also they last 3 times  as 
long, cost teh same adn dont affect the fuel consumption)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
        Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway
+++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 09:28:23 -0500
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: HOOTERS & TOOTERS

Mike Lokodice writeth:

none
Indeed! and True!! The workshop manual even has a section devoted to
adjustment of the horns. One section for "Lucas" and one section for "Clear
Hooters". 

Hey Maloney... does this mean we can talk about Hooters and be on topic?? 
"Clear Hooters, England." So, methinks there is something to this! I 
have the evidence still.
none

Why of course it is, my fine furry friend.  The Hooter on my 88 also said 
"Clear Hooters, England", but couldn't blow worth a hoot.  The hooter on my 
109 couldn't toot either, but said Lucas something- no surprises there.

I replaced the Hooters on both my Rovers with Fiamm dual electrics- not the 
air horn type.  They are plenty loud and have a businesslike, european sound 
- pretty neat.  I've found air horns to plug up with ice in bad weather and 
go from BLAAAA!!! to wheeeeezzzzz!  

But the Hooter I like best (OK, second best) is my official JC Whitney Moo 
Horn under the hood of my 88.  It wasn't cheap at $40+, but for grin factor - 
it's great (it's also large too, if like big hooters).  One electrical 
connection, one manual cable, 2 brackets, adjust the cable for effect (this 
regulates the sound) and it's in.  Stop on the roadside beside a field full 
of cows and give it a bellow - they ALL turn and look at the same time.  
Maybe I'm easily amused, but this is really a scream.  Works on humans too.  
I have to admit... it's really a HOOT!

Oh, Mike, next time we meet I'll show you a photo of your's truly and Chesty 
Love (Yes, THE Chesty Love) a friend bought for me at a rather memorable 
birthday outing a few years ago.  Now THOSE were HOO(Ooops! we'd better 
continue this one off line :-) )....

Baloney w/stuffing... gobble gobble (it's a US thing, Uncle Mike R, ya know, 
the pilgrims escaping your ancestors the Royal Opressors & such... oh, never 
mind)

maloney@wings.attmail.com

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From: ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu
Subject: all's well that end's well
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 09:28:43 -0600 (CST)

About 2 weeks ago, we went thru the fall ritual of putting
antifreeze in LULU.  With the tall 16" tires it was so
easy.  Crawl under and open the drain valve on the
engine block and radiator and let `em drain.  Hey,
don't get alarmed, environmentalists -- LULU lost all
her antifreeze out in UTAH and I was draining water.

Topped things off with 1-1/2 US gallons of antifreeze with
water.  Thats when the trouble hit.  On the way home
whilst cruising down the concrete, BLAM -- steam
fuming out from under the bonnet.  Cruised into a
gas station that happened to be close by and cool-ed
things down with the water hose.  The Radiator neck
apparatus had separated from the radiator top where
the solder had failed.

Mumble, grumble.  More work that I didn't want to take on.
Rode to work with the wife for a week while pondering the
repair job.  On Saturday last, I checked things out.  Looked
at the repair manual and even started the task of taking
the radiator out.  But wait, it wasn't leaking and taking
radiators out for exercise wasn't my idea of fun.  What if the
radiator shop could fix it while in the car?  That was
enough for me to put Saturday's job onto hold.

Called the radiator shop and they wouldn't commit but could
probably do the work "in-situ".  Would have to look at it.
"What kind of car is it?"  "What?"  Couldn't get to it till
Wed morning, but that was ok.

Went by this morning and watched the man do his thing.  LULU
was parked on an incline with the front up, so I didn't even
have to drain things down.  With a propane torch, he heated
both the radiator top and removed all the solder that was 
there -- some paint, too.  And he removed the solder that 
was on the neck piece.  Sprayed on a little flux (I guess), 
put a weight on top, and soldered that sucker right in.
Took about 30 seconds for things to cool down and on went
the radiator cap.  I re-attached the galvanized grill with
the LR badge -- thats all the further I had gotten on Saturday.

Went into the shop -- the man had already started on another
job.  "Great job, write up the ticket", I said.
"No problem, catch you later", he said.
"NO, that was worth something to me -- I didn't have to
take that radiator out and put it back in", says I.
"Catch you later", he said.

Made me feel good -- the small town courtesy, the thanksgiving
season, the crisp autumn air, LULU running again.  I guess
all's well that end's well.
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Ray Harder                 Columbia, Missouri   314-882-2000
 
         "...you are what you drive..."
 
- 61 SIIa 88 (LULU, aka Experimental)  - 66 SIIa 88 (rebuild project)
- 69 SIIa 88 (parts)                   - 87 RR      (wife's)
- 80 MGB                               - xx
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Date: 23 Nov 94 10:19:54 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: 235/85R16 tires on a RR

John Brabyn enquired:

> Sounds great Stephan!! What is the outside diameter of those tires? I thought
> the stock 205 R16's had a cross section figure of 85 too (ie 205-85-R16)
> which should only make the new tires about 2 inches bigger in diameter, or
> 1 inch in radius. Is this not really the case? It seems like the outside
> ...

I confess not being a great tire guru (or a guru on anything for that matter),
I'm just the kind who likes experimenting - and sometimes it even works!
For the diameter question may I refer you to the observations of Steve Methley
who stated:
  > For the person who asked about diameters:  80% is the standard aspect
  > ratio for radials and is often unstated eg 205R16. The diameter is
  > then 28.9 inches.  For 235/85R16 it is 31.7 inches, ie an increase in
  > diff clearance of 1.4 inches.  You could run 7.50x16 crossplys (which
  > ...
Let's suppose he's right.

(John Brabyn:)
> I must say I like the sound of the improved performance off-road. How
> much noise do you get at freeway speeds?

To my own surprise, on the freeway they're not noisy at all (at least not
now while they're still new); it's at slow speeds that you percieve a
slight "grumble".

> Also, how much ground clearance do you now get under the diffs?

I have measured 23 cm (9.05") under the diffs, 35 cm (13.78") under the
front spoiler and 40 cm (15.75") under the outer lower body edge (footwell?).
Hedgehogs will be happy (unless they get in the way of those 235's).

Steve Methley further observed:

 > 235 tires are 9.25 inches wide - what rims do you run?  Ideally the
 > rim should be no more than 2 inches smaller.  This is why LR don't
 > ... <snip> ...

The regular (I think they're regular?) alloy rims on my 87' RR are
exactly 7 inches wide. That would make them *just* about wide enough for
235/85-ers. I grant that handling in curves is less than satisfying, but
frankly I couldn't give a fart (s'cuze me...) and anyway, as a 109 driver
of many years I do, as of principle, expect others to respect the laws of
nature, physics and common sense and simply steer clear of my 2 tons of
steel w/aluminum.

 > BTW, what do you think jacking the RR does to the working drivetrain
 > joint angles?

Well, I'll tell you ...    I don't know :-/   Suppose we just wait and see.
If anything happens in the near future I'll let the net know for sure.
Then again propshaft joints are so cheap, the heck if I have to replace
them every two years or so.

Just so as not to give anyone a wrong idea let me reiterate the caveat
of my original post: If you see your RR primarily as a street vehicle
(nothing against that), fitting the RR with that sort of tires is
... would you believe ... baloney? <gdr>

Rumbling along,

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Date: Wed, 23 Nov 94 08:13:35 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Let's build a glossary

The classic definition of a roadster is a model of a car that does not come with
a fixed hard top and has removable side windows (side curtains) instead of roll 
down windows. So by definition the two door Land Rovers with optional hard tops,
or hoods (soft top) and side curtains (those removable side windows) are classic
British roadsters.  Also, don't forget the Land Rover has two prop shafts, 
except for a very limited number designed for the military that were designed to
float.  The have a third prop shaft that has a propeller at the end.   

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
              
                         
                       

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From: MacWay@aol.com
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 12:05:06 -0500
Subject:   j

unsubscribe

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Let's build a glossary
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 94 17:07:03 GMT

> The classic definition of a roadster is a model of a car that does not come with
> a fixed hard top and has removable side windows (side curtains) instead of roll 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 17 lines)]
> TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
> twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
Ah,sorry Teriann,but the term "Roadster" isnt English,its American.The 
Triumph TR1 was called the Triumph Roadster(it had wind down windows???)
What you are describing we called a Sports Car,or Open Tourer.The side
curtains were "Side Screens".
Also,I think you'll find that the APGP Land Rover with the big rubber
flaots had only two prop shafts.The rear shaft had a propeller along
its length somewhere.
come to think of it Riley also produced a "Roadster".Called the 100hp
Roadster.Lovely beast,and very rare now.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner)
Subject: Re: Let's build a glossary
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 12:13:55 -0500 (EST)

> British roadsters.  Also, don't forget the Land Rover has two prop shafts, 
> except for a very limited number designed for the military that were designed to
> float.  The have a third prop shaft that has a propeller at the end.   

	Actually there was a military version that only had one prop
	shaft.  They cheaped out and did not want four wheel drive.

	Rgds,

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From: Brian_Foster_at_ASTISHR@ccmailsmtp.ast.com
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 94 10:03:52 PST
Subject: RE:BMW Diesel

In reply to Andrew Steele <ad158@DAYTON.WRIGHT.EDU> Tue, 22 Nov 1994:

>  Ok, correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't there been discussion about
>  the BMW 5 cylinder diesel being both US emission approved and a
>  bolt in replacement for RR?
I posted this to the BMW net & inquired at BMW NA and yes the Diesel 
is approved for the US despite its not being used.  However, nobody 
could comment about whether it fit into the LR or not. The Diesel you 
mentioned was offered in the 5-series for quite awile, but was never a 
big seller.  I beleive there are plans to put it back into the 
marketplace soon.

As for your trip to the BMW dealer, I hope that they die a quick, 
painful death just like the local Newport Imports LR dealer died.  
Orange County benefitted by getting a LR only dealer in Mission Viejo 
run by true enthusiasts that have been more help than this list (don't 
worry - i'll get to it).

I am sorry that you had a bad experience at a BMW dealership Andrew 
since BMW NA is really cracking down on this high-hype, 
yuppy-targeting sales attitude.  I know 'cuz I ran into a similar 
experience in snob central of So. Calif. -- Newport Beach.  It didn't 
matter if I drove the Vette in, or the BMW, I was treated poorly.  A 
subsequent complaint in a chapter newsletter I published got a telecon 
with a sales director from Boston (BMW NA) to find out what could have 
been done to change the dealership for future sales.  See, BMW is 
coming out with their compact and needs to readjust to the 
VW/Camry/Accord crowd in addition to the heavy rollers.  Buyers are 
more informed today than ever before.  Your best place to ask the 
question, however, is with an enthusiasts group like this list.

There are quality dealerships around that have knowledgeable sales 
people around.  Don't let this one experience taint you.  As for the 
enthusiasts, I don't think you'll find a better crowd.  There is no 
discrimination between model owners (occasionally a round taillight vs 
square discussion pops up or a 320i vs. 2002 but they are fun...) and 
I have never seen anyone attacked for simple questions from how to 
loosen a hex nut to what kind of snow tires to buy for the 100th time.
Which brings me to my anger vented to the list.  As a RR owner, I 
think it is sad that there are so many elitist attitudes against Disco 
and RR owners on this list -- we are LR owners as well. A LR is 
different than anything else on the road, and the owners of such 
vehicles are to be commended no matter the model! Secondly, two pleas 
to the list for help on how to get subscriptions to the publications 
mentioned (slow delivery or not) has yielded some information, but not 
enough to help either Brian or I to succeed, so I went to the 
aforementioned LR dealer and inquired.  They not only had the 
addresses, they were willing to set me up with the subscriptions and 
handle the pound-to-dollar conversion on my behalf.  I hope they can 
do the same for Brian (or someone on this list who remembers how they 
got their subscriptions can help in *detail* how to subscribe).

When I asked about eqpt to carry in my RR for off-road trips, 1 out of 
2 answers were insults that I merely deleted.  I realy want to 
commend, however, the helpful people in Northern California...

I'll get off my soapbox now.  I regret to a degree the negative things 
that I have said because it is a time for giving thanks, but they've 
been burning for awhile. I really do wish everyone on the list that 
get to enjoy Thanksgiving a happy & safe holiday. The RR and I, well, 
we are going to go get the BMW and do a little racing this weekend...
Brian

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: RE: list complaints
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 94 15:07:40 EST

We have an unhappy subscriber on our hands-

> Which brings me to my anger vented to the list.  As a RR owner, I 
> think it is sad that there are so many elitist attitudes against Disco 
> and RR owners on this list -- we are LR owners as well. A LR is 
> different than anything else on the road, and the owners of such 
> vehicles are to be commended no matter the model! Secondly, two pleas 

Sorry, but some of us just really like Series rigs.  We tolerate RR
stuff as we'd expect you to tolerate us.

> to the list for help on how to get subscriptions to the publications 
> mentioned (slow delivery or not) has yielded some information, but not 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> do the same for Brian (or someone on this list who remembers how they 
> got their subscriptions can help in *detail* how to subscribe).

Let us not forget that they are paid for their time.  What you get here
is free so quit complaining.  Why not post what you found out?  Don't
expect us to have all your answers.

> When I asked about eqpt to carry in my RR for off-road trips, 1 out of 
> 2 answers were insults that I merely deleted.  I realy want to 
> commend, however, the helpful people in Northern California...
> aforementioned LR dealer and inquired.  They not only had the 

Now, I think I'm gonna get sick.

> I'll get off my soapbox now.  I regret to a degree the negative things 
> that I have said because it is a time for giving thanks, but they've 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> we are going to go get the BMW and do a little racing this weekend...
> Brian

And I, too regret having to voice my opinion on this subject, again.

Series bound forever,
rd/nigel (NO RR OR D90, and only 1 110 has EVER waved back)

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From: mtalbot@interserv.com
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 12:12:09 -0800

All, 

In the process of rebuilding my SIII ready for the spring. While the engine is ^M
out I'm replacing the clutch and pressure plate. After removing the old one, I ^M
noticed that the flywheel is dirty. Anyone sugest how to clean it. I know it ^M
supposed to be free of oil and grease. anyone got any ideas what to use ????

I also noticed that someone on the net was looking for some wings, I have a ^M
pair from my spare SIII. Let me know if you are interested. 

Mark 

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Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 12:33:36 +0800
From: William.Grouell@Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell)
Subject: Flywheel

> All, 
> In the process of rebuilding my SIII ready for the spring. While the engine is> out I'm replacing the clutch and pressure plate. After removing the old one, I> noticed that the flywheel is dirty. Anyone sugest how to clean it. I know it 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> pair from my spare SIII. Let me know if you are interested. 
> Mark 

   Clean it with anything that works, ie; gasolene, solvent, Gunk, oven
cleaner, whatever. Then sand it with 220 grit wet-or-dry and soapy water
to a nice dull finish all over the "contact" area. finaly clean real good with
brake parts cleaner. Or...  take it to the machine shop and have it resurfaced.

Regards, bill G.

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: dirty flywheel
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 94 15:41:58 EST

> All, 
> In the process of rebuilding my SIII ready for the spring. While the engine is 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
> pair from my spare SIII. Let me know if you are interested. 
> Mark 

Remove it and have it resurfaced at your local machine shop.  If possible
(many machine shops won't want to get involved....but a good brake and 
clutch place will so let your fingers do some walking here) get your clutch
pressure plate resurfaced as well (don't attempt to dismantle it-the
brake and clutch place will do it for you).

The above (with fresh new clutch, a 10"er at that) did wonders for Nigel.

rd/nige

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Date: Wed, 23 Nov 94 13:25:11 PST
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: RE: list complaints

I always wave to Series Land Rovers, but they hardly ever wave back either.

John Brabyn
89RR

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From: mtalbot@interserv.com
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 13:53:09 -0800
Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown

I wrote last week about my adventure collecting a SIII Land Rover from ^M
Vinalhaven ME.
While reading a back issue of LRO, I was browsing through the "Land Rover ^M
Story". This part covered Land Rovers, SIII in the US. 

The Vinalhaven Rover was a 71' SIII. According to the article, only 30 SIII ^M
were imported during 71, guess what ? the Vinalhaven Rover was #8 imported ^M
into the USA. How many of the others are around, still going or end up the ^M
same way as #8. 

Alas, its seen better days, it's now in half, all the good bits used on my ^M
SIII from Nantucket, and that one is #509. 

While I'm in a writing mood, nothing else to do while sitting on a plane to ^M
NYC !! My rebuild of #509 is coming along great. The engine and gearbox are ^M
out, chassis is all cleaned up ready for some patching, the order for parts is ^M
awaiting delivery from Craddocks, hey, why pay Rovers North prices when you ^M
can get EVERYTHING from England. This weekend, I stripped down all the brakes ^M
ready for some new cylinders, shoes and pipes. 

Also, I have managed to get all the @#$% out of the rear window channels, ^M
after some digging around, grinding, all the channels came out. Well, what was ^M
left of them !

I replaced the dashboard from #8 which did'nthave a crack in it and fitted it ^M
neatly into place, the interior looks as good as new once sprayed with ^M
armour-all. Try it.

Next after the patching is to get the brakes done and bleed the system. Paint ^M
the chassis, and refit the gearbox ready fr the engine, and new exhasut to be ^M
fitted. Trying to get as much done before winter sets in here in New ^M
Hampshire. My goal is to get # 509 ready for the downeast rally in July. 

What condition the paint work will be in is anyones guess, after taking panels ^M
from a red and blue Land Rover it will be a patchwork of colour, still after ^M
reading the threads on washing LR's, perhaps it would be better to take it on ^M
a mud run and don't wash it. 

Anyone interested in starting an parts order system, we all get toghter and ^M
get parts from the UK to save on costs ??? Sorry Rovers North, but $50 for a ^M
wheel cylinder is tooo much for me, when in UK they are only 12.50 pounds. ^M
With my last order, I saved over $350. 

Mark
  

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Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 16:57:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: list complaints

To All of us,
    HAPPY THANKSGIVING !!!
I'm not going to granma's house, but I'm gonna do sumptin.
And I promise to wave to everybody.  PS see below

PS. I was at the Moose Lodge last week and there is a girl there from
England who comes in once in a while. So in my best manner I asked her
what she and her friends in england thought about Land Rovers.
Her reply was; "Oh, we don't think about them very much. It would be
nice to have a new Range rover If you could afford it.
SO anxiously I asked, "What do you think about old Land Rovers?
She replyed "Oh we think about them even less, the only time we think of
them is when we see them parked in some farmers field, all buried with
farm Poop.
I said "you mean hay don't you?
She said " No I mean Poop, and I mean buried" !!!

This is a true quote
Have a happy one
Jon

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: R-rover camping
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 94 14:19:36 PST

Forwarded message:

> Which brings me to my anger vented to the list.  As a RR owner, I 
> think it is sad that there are so many elitist attitudes against Disco 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 17 lines)]
> 2 answers were insults that I merely deleted.  I realy want to 
> commend, however, the helpful people in Northern California...

Lets see.. you take a leather seated $40k+ "yuppie truck" camping
in the dirt, mud, and rocks. First item I consider essential is a
good roof rack. That is the only place I have been able to stow
my Hi-lift jack. It seems that if you get a R-Rover stuck, it is 
stuck. (I popped for a winch after I got stuck comming home from
buger king). I also have a 6 Gallon marine gas tank which I strap
to the rack. This is not only for extra fuel, but it comes in handy
when your friends with slightly older rovers have fuel pump problems.
I use marine quick disconnect fittings, a bulb pump, and never have to
remove it from the roof (except to loan to thoes older rovers.
Inside I have build a wooden storage box to replace the useless
cargo cover rover supplies. the bos is the same height of the cargo cover,
but only fills half the cargo space. In the other half I strap in an
electric ice box, (to store all that yuppie water), and a 6 gallon
water jug (to fill the older rovers radiators in utah) It seems
I had to use all my K.O.A spring water to keep lulu rolling in
Utah where Ray decided to start his radiator flushing.
I store the following items in the storage box.
1: Jumper cables
2: set of belts
3: small white gas camp stove (for those -30F starts)
4: Winch acc kit.
5: Three days supply of food.
6: tool kit (including multi meter for fixing R-Rovers on mountian passes)
7: Oil, trans fluid, paper towels, toliet paper, tie wraps (for fixing D-90
   tail pipes ripped off in mud holes, lots of tubes of sticky junk.
8:100 feet of rope
9:Tow strap

All the soft junk clothes, tents, ect I stuff in portage packs
and tie them on the roof.

load up the wife and kid, 300 kids tapes, and books and your off

Russ
D-90
R-Rover.
Do we wave at the older Rovers before or after we run over them....?
(just kidding)
I thale very few things seriously including myself

--OAA27274.785629088/lint.cisco.com--

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: list complaints
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 94 17:25:48 EST

> >  Sorry, but some of us just really like Series rigs.  We tolerate
> >  RR stuff as we'd expect you to tolerate us.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> You missed the point.  RR & Disco stuff & simple questions are not 
> usually tolerated -- they're attacked.

I'd suggest you are being a little hypersensitive (but granted, I have
not read the direct replies you are referring to).  I personally try
not to attack unless attacked.

> >  Let us not forget that they are paid for their time.  What you get
> >  here is free so quit complaining.  Why not post what you found out? 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
> Region for assistance.  As for answers, I expected at least one person 
> to have successfully subscribed to be able to give details how they did 
> it (& don't have a quality LR dealer nearby).

If you want me to take care of you send me a check.  If you cannot look up
a pound to dollar conversion and can't do the math send me two.

Make them big ones.
> >  Now, I think I'm gonna get sick.
> That's OK, your message makes me sick...
> >  Don't expect us to have all your answers.
> Ah... but they did not get paid to "take care of it" except for 

OK folks, we've reached a new low.  You can...........

> >  Series bound forever,
>                 ^--- pretty narrow-minded

You can do it again!

rd/nigel

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Date: Wed, 23 Nov 94 15:49:29 PST
From: Brad Krohn <Brad_Krohn@ccm2.hf.intel.com>
Subject: Parts from UK

Text item: Text_1

On a recent UK trip, I made it to several LR parts places (LRO/LRW 
advertisers) and all were happy to talk about orders from the US. 
General impressions:

Merseyside's LR Supermarket is OK and you feel like a kid in a candy 
store getting to walk the aisles. Selection pretty good off the shelf, 
and prices decent - but not great. You'd probably eat up savings with 
the shipping, at least as it was quoted to me.

Tim Fry Land Rovers in Cheltenham is truly in back of a dealership, and 
the shop was a hubbub of activity with all sorts of Landies and Rangies 
under repair. The parts counter upstairs was well-stocked and Parts Mgr. 
David Lane (101 Forward Control owner!) was friendly with decent prices. 
My vote. They also said they had a farm where they were "breaking" 
(glossary compilers: that's "salvaging" or "stripping") over 100 Rovers. 

The Bearmach branch in Builth Wells, Wales (main office: Cardiff) was 
tiny - friendly and their catalog has much larger pictures of some 
assemblies than RN or Haynes. Didn't price anything.

Bottom line: I priced all of the little bits that went into my baggage 
(two axles of brake shoes, master cyl. rebuild kit, wheel cyl. kits, 
etc.) and figured I saved about $50 over Rovers North and $20-$25 over 
British Pacific (without shipping, in all cases). Draw your own 
conclusions.
======================================================================= 
"ROVER? WHO DRIVES IT?"                     Brad_Krohn@ccm.hf.intel.com 
"That would be telling." -The Prisoner              '69 IIA 88" Bug-Eye 
=======================================================================

 

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Date: Wed, 23 Nov 94 17:06:47 MST
From: rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com ( ROY CALDWELL )
Subject: Waving

I always wave at anything that is Rover.  Even
some dogs along side the road.  I even have gotten 
waved at by VW Vans.  But after having lived with one
for 19 years I have a soft spot on the brain for air
cooled, still.  But you guys and gals should be happy
you even see any on the road.  My three are about the
only running Rovers in over 100 sqaure miles.  Last
time I saw another Rover on the road was over a year
ago.  John come up to Montana to the rocky front and
not only will I wave at you but I'll even show you my
hooters.  I might even get one that works to toot at
you.

Roy - Rovers in the Rockies

                You mean Rover actually built more than
                the three you have!

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Date: Wed, 23 Nov 94 16:39:21 PST
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Thanksgiving Wave

Let's cut out all this meaningless acrimonious chit-chat about the 
merits of different Land Rover models and the personalities of their
typical owners, and have a Happy Thanksgiving Wave to everybody.

Cheers

John Brabyn
89RR

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Subject: Re: Nigel has a bed to sleep on
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 94 18:00:52 -0500

LANDROVER@delphi.com writes:

> Uh... only one question...  Like, where do you put the jacuzzi??

        But has he uprated the springs & shocks?  No wonder it hasn't
        been tested yet...

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry,            |    Ottawa Valley Land Rovers
Nepean, Ontario, Canada       |    1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean
(OVLR's InterNet site)        |    Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4

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Subject: Military LR chassis underseal
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 94 18:03:52 -0500

"Mr T.stevenson" <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk> writes:

> I have previously owned 3 ex-military Land Rovers, all of which had the
> thick underseal applied to their chassis. I found that as it aged, it
> tended to lift away from the metal underneath and retain water against
> the metal all the time. This is a serious problem here on the island
> because of the ubiquitous salt spray (and the odd boat launching).

        All of the ex-military stuff around here is exactly the same.
        Miserable stuff to get off.

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry,            |    Ottawa Valley Land Rovers
Nepean, Ontario, Canada       |    1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean
(OVLR's InterNet site)        |    Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4

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From: "Jurgen Klus" <PSJK@psy1.ssn.flinders.edu.au>
Date:          Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:22:48 GMT-0930
Subject:       Discovery Discs

Has anyone heard of a problem with the disc brake rotors on the 
Discovery warping. Three of mine have, and I'm not hard on the brakes.
Is this a weakness?
Do RR discs fit and would it be worth swapping?
Would asbestos free pads help?
What a nuisance!
regards
Jurgen Klus  Tel 618 201 2413    Fax 618 201 3877

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Date: 23 Nov 94 21:18:40 EST
From: "Stephen O'Hearn" <72700.3262@compuserve.com>
Subject: Defender 90 Top Speed / Hard Top

Russell Burns writes:

> I found out that I can`t keep up with the 100MPH traffic in the 
> left lane. The 90 cuts off at 90 MPH. The R-Rover will only do
> 98 with the roof rack on so I guess its not too bad.....

and John Brabyn replies:

> I recall reading somewhere that the 90 is cutout-limited to 85mph.
> Maybe it's really 90 -- that would seem appropriate!!

Both are correct on this piece of Rover trivia and John is very close
with his value of 85mph. According to my info the Defender 90 is limited
to 86mph (~138kph). The reason no doubt is to prevent the driver from
entering a condition wherein hearing loss would be permanent <g>.

With respect to the hard top the latest from my SoCal dealer is (brace
yourself Mike) January.

I was curious to note that a Defender of recent manufacture had a soft
top with some Velcro-attached pads on the cage to attenuate the flapping
that occurs between top and cage (but without any other improvements,
i.e. better zippers or windows). A new AC setup was also noted. A smidge
more passenger foot room (but cheaper controls). It seems like Land
Rover listens to feedback (at least some).

Looking at this shiny new vehicle I realized mine isn't new anymore. I
guess it's time to go get some more mud on it! I'll be wary of those
overpasses though.

Stephen O'Hearn
'94 Defender 90

p.s. Does anybody have a good recipe for Turkey a la Intake
Manifold <g>?

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From: Brian_Foster_at_ASTISHR@ccmailsmtp.ast.com
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 94 21:12:43 PST
Subject: 72 Series III for sale

If I don't pick it up myself, then I believe this vehicle needs to go 
to an enthusiast like the ones on this list.  Seen in local newspaper:
72 Series III 88 Hard Top
Green/Tan
Seen 4WD less than 5 times
In Texas, New Mexico, or California all its life=> No rust?!
No body damage, paint is fine, everything works
Owned 13 years by second owner (seen lots of enclosed storage time 
off-and-on over these 13 years as owner travels a lot)
needs rear engine seal and clutch
trans rebuilt 4 years ago,
new electric fuel pump and other repalcements too many to list
Asking $4500

I am going to look at it tomorrow at 9AM.  Since this is a work 
access, the only way you can reach me for more details thru Monday, 
November 27 is to call me at home: 714/858-4515.

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Date: Wed, 23 Nov 94 22:14:29 MST
From: rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com ( ROY CALDWELL )
Subject: John Benham

Gang sorry for this , but tried to ship this to John
on the side and the e-mail address I have kept failing.

John,

I was just trying to joke some of the people complaining about
the lack of freindly waves by other Rover drivers.  Walt Swain
replied and kinda thought I was serious.  He mentioned an outing
from the group in Spokane this past Oct.  Since my 69 now has a
new engine, I was thinking of someplace to go with her.  Is your
group planning any trips this next late spring or summer?  If you
are I would be interested in hearing about it.  He also mrntioned
your newsletter.  How could I get a copy or get on the mail list?

Just in case it is as simple as asking I am:  
        Roy H. Caldwell
        1530 Laurel St.
        Helena. MT  59601

Please let me know if a trip is being planned or already scheduled.
Thanks!

Roy - Rovers in the Rockies
            Sir, I fixed that Class III oil leak you dreamed about.  

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Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 07:10:12 +0000 (WET)
From: "Ryan K. Haaland" <haaland@atm.ox.ac.uk>
Subject: quick question

Dear LRO Digest
I'm a new subscriber to Land Rover Owner digest etc.  Is this the 
appropriate forum to advertise a LR for sale and post a 'wanted' add for 
a different LR.
Thanks for your time.
Ryan Haaland  

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