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Subject: The engine is out
From: dd@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Dale Desprey)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 94 10:40:29 -0500

Borrowed an engine crane and pulled the engine.  With the wings and 
breakfast removed, it was quite easy.  I found that if I put blocks 
between the back of the engine and the bulkhead, then lifted the engine, 
it moved more horizontally off of the transmission spline.

I have used silicone brake fluid with no problems.  I was using Castrol 
LMA, but the fluid was easily contaminated with black blobs.  My ruber 

--
Dale Desprey, dd@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry,            |    Ottawa Valley Land Rovers
Nepean, Ontario, Canada       |    1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean
(OVLR's InterNet site)        |    Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4

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Date:         Sat, 12 Nov 94 12:11:37 LCL
From: Joseph Broach <PC7170@UTKVM1.UTK.EDU>
Subject:      HELP! Throw-out has thrown out

     I had identified a low grating noise in neutral as the throw out
bearing. This morning, I stopped to tighten a sagging visor and when I
put it into first, I was met with a horrible noise as I took up drive. I
immediately stopped, as I was afraid I had run something dry. But, ah
pushing the clutch remedied the problem momentarily, so I believe it
must be the throw out bearing. Anyway what is your opinion? If you agree
does the gearbox have to be removed to replace it? Surely there's a source
cheaper than RN's 35.00. Thank you for your help.

                          -Rgds,
                           Joseph         '67 IIa 88......"Sidney" :-(

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Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 11:16:45 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Shock Absorbers

Ben wrote...
>       So my question is: What are the advantages between heavy duty
>hydrolic shock absorbers and gas shock absorbers? (I hear gas ones run
>about $80 US apiece)

Hey, maybe for once, I have something useful to contribute to a technical 
question!  My brother put air shocks (is this the same as gas shocks?) on his 
camaro (you know, the one that wasn't as good for picking up women as my 
88"), and the advantage (other than coating our garage floor with blood and 
curses when he tried to get the old ones out) was that he could vary the 
stiffness in them, and how much lift they gave to the body.  

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 11:17:30 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Status of TeriAnns 109

>...
>>I was standing out in Scotty's shop, talking to him and looking out at my
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>Stefan
><Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

I'll second that.

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 11:17:39 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: cross country trip in rover

>Howdy rover gang,
>Thus far, we have a bunch of maps from AAA and a list of campgrounds from
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>any suggestions for what to carry as far as tools and spares?  Any word
>about a place called rovers west in tucson AZ?
You definitely want a spare, and make sure it's good before you start out.  A 
couple of years ago, Rachel & I got a flat in Reno.  We put on the spare, and 
bought a new tire (to be used as the spare).  We got away from Reno, and 
outside of business hours, and discovered that the spare we'd put on was 
slowly going flat.  Rather than spend two days in Reno (it was Saturday 
evening and they wouldn't be open 'til Monday), we managed to find a truck 
repair place that patched the tube in the spare.  (Rachel really didn't want 
to drive hwy 50 -- called the lonliest road in America -- with no spare.)

Carry the issue (or preferably a copy) of the Aluminum Workhorse that had the 
membership list and list of repair shops in it.  A celphone is nice for when 
you're stuck in the middle of nowhere.  

A couple of adjustable spanners will take care of topping off the diffs, 
transmission, transfercase, etc.  A phillips and straight screwdriver, two of 
each (large & medium) if you've got the room.  Electrical tape and some wire.

Depending on the age/condition of your battery (and how much room you've got) 
a spare battery wouldn't hurt.  Especially if the existing one is old.  Run 
on the old one 'til it dies, then swap 'em.  

A repair manual is good, especially if you get stuck where there isn't a LR 
mechanic nearby.  

But you should have no problems.  

>PS  I have a couple of photos on my mac that I have made available to greg
>hiner for his www site.  they include one of the dormobile, one of a series
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>University of Calif               Email me jfhess@ucdavis.edu
>Davis, CA                         or leave me alone, your choice.

Okay, how do you do this.  I want to set up a computer as an ftp site, 
listserver, etc.  Sounds like you've done that.  Now you have to tell me how 
to do it.  <g>

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 11:18:07 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Finally, Oct. LRO

It's probably just that your postman was trying to find change for the 
Berkeley parking meters.  <8^)

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date:         Sat, 12 Nov 94 14:26:37 EST
From: Brian Willoughby <BAWILL01@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      LROI & LRW American subscription information, please!

Does anyone out there have the correct address for subscribing to Land Rover
Owner International for those of us who live the U.S.?   Also, what does a
subscription cost per year?  If anyone has  the same information for Land Rover
World, I (and some other subscribers to the Digest) would like that as well
along with the costs.  If you like, you may respond to me directly or post
to the entire list.  Thanks in advance,
Brian Willoughby
bawill01@ukcc.uky.edu
1960 Series II Station Wagon 88"

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 00:46:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Another Rover Adventure begins...

Howdy all..

Took the last few days off for a roadtrip to beautiful sunny Pittsburg and
I'm (finally!) back... with a 1965 Ser IIa 88 petrol Station Wagon. Yes,
Indeed! Slightly battered, and covered with 15 years worth of dust and
grime. The engine's in pieces, the brakes don't work, the tires have turned
yellow with age... it's ugly as homemade sin and I love it!

I bought the beastie from the original owner. It was last licensed in 1976.
Sometime between 1976 and 1979 something caused the engine to sieze up. The
truck was moved to a small garage for storage and the owners brother-in-law
decided to fix it. He pulled off the left front wing, the radiator and the
cylinder head and then for some reason, just left it all. So, for at least
15 years this truck has been locked away in a garage, having things piled up
on, underneath and inside it.
 
Oh, did I mention the dust?? And Grime?? You can't touch the truck without
coming away black. I can safely say that MY truck has NOT been washed in 15
years!!  :)  There are some plusses to this...  no lichens on the roof and
no moss in the window channels. The door locks all work. the rubber around
the doors and windows looks pretty good and the interior is really pretty
nice. Not to mention the frame is pretty solid, all except for the
right-hand side front out-rigger and the rear cross-member. 

Jon Humphrey had posted a message a couple of weeks ago about this truck
being for sale. I called the owner and talked about it (apparently a few
other people did as well). Steve Denis graciously offered me the use of his
VW Syncro Westfalia to tow it home with, if I decided to go to Pittsburg so
I figured I could make the trip (about 500 miles one way) on Thursday, with
hopes of being home on Friday.

The trip down on Thursday was un-eventful and I reached Pittsburg around
5PM... Rush Hour! It's an interesting looking town as you approach from the
north.. the sunset reflected from the skyscrapers, rivers and the bridges.
Too bad I actually had to drive through it. I think the Pittsburg highway
system was designed by either a raving lunatic or a troup of alcoholic
circus chimpanzies. Driving through the middle of the city brings a whole
new meaning to the term "you can't get there from here". It took me the
better part of two hours to get to where the Rover was! 

After deciding to buy it and haggling over the price, the owner and I
cleared most of the debris away in preperation for Friday's fun. I then
called up Jon Humphrey and had a brief but pleasant conversation with his
answering machine. I then headed out of town and found a room at a Motel 6
(Tom Bodette wasn't there - darn!)  

Friday morning came around and I got tangled up in the rush hour traffic
going into the city. After getting sufficiently lost (again) I found the
garage and called the owner who said he would be right over. So, I sat
around and waited... got the tow bar set, got the towing lights set, but
no-one showed up - until Jon Humphrey pulled up the alley in his 109. He had
called the owner and the guy was waiting for me to pick him up! Jon had
business to attend to but said he would be back later. He left and I packed
up everything in the VW so I could go find the owner. As it turned out, he
drove over anyway.

The 88 had been sitting with its front axel on supported by jack stands but
the rear was not. The rear tires were not only low on air, but they were
acutally out-of-round from sitting so long. I had brought two 15" wheels &
tires with me (just in case) but we had to get the Rover out of the garage
before I could swap wheels. The first order of business was getting the big
garage door open - this too had not been used in 15 years. Finally, after
much cursing and assaults made with blunt, heavy objects, the door slid back
and we were ready to *push* the Rover out. (Sure..)  

About that time, Jon came back and we used his 109 to pull the 88 out of the
garage and across the alley. Jon had to leave again and after he left we
were able to get the 88 facing the correct way down the alley and I started
to change the rear wheels. The (now previous) owner had forgotten the keys
and went home to get them. By the time he got back, I was done with the
wheels and was about ready to hook up the tow bar. It was now after noon and
the Rover had moved a total of about 20 feet! Time flies when you're having
fun!  Fruit flies like a bananna...  sorry  8*}

The owner had to leave but then Jon came back a bit later. I was just about
ready to start towing and we noticed the one front tire was going flat. Jon
to the rescue again! He has a 12V air compressor which did a fine job with
the tire and I was able to leave..  Of course, then I had to get lost again,
this time while towing! What fun. About 3:15PM I reached the interstate and
headed north...  some sort of bassoon quartet on the classical radio
station, me with a big grin on my face, puffing clouds of smoke from my
pipe, and this dingy looking 88, just merrily bouncing along behind the
Syncro. And it WAS bouncing... it sat so long, the suspension was *stiff*
and every expansion joint in the highway made the just bob up and down... or
maybe it was just happy to be out in the sun after so many years inside that
garage??

Most of the trip home was smooth but slow. One of the tires I brought with
me developed a leak and I had to put the original spare on. I was stopped in
a rest area and a (18 wheel) trucker helped me out with air to fill the
spare as well as the two tires that were on the back. But then with all the
mixed tires (and the transfer case stuck in 4WD, the Rover started to wind
up the transfer case... the little bouncing was quickly turning into bucking
and I had to stop and pull the axel half-shafts. With all the delays, I got
to just south of Buffalo (NY) around midnight and spent the night in a rest
area. 

It was a fun trip :) but I still have to get Steve's VW back to him and then
the *real* Rover adventure begins... To resurrect the beastie!

Many thanks to Steve and Jon for all thier help.. It's great to know that
you can count on another Rover owner to help out with things.    

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern)       
                         1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol
                         1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol

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Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 01:05:20 -0600 (CST)
From: David John Place <umplace@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: Defender Questions

Dynomat is a product you should be able to get from any body shop.  I 
bought mine in a 10 sq. foot amount.  It comes boxed that way and is as 
someone else reported, expensive.  It sticks very well and it does a 
great job.  Usually it is used to stop a panel from oil-canning on such 
vehicles as vans that have large sheet metal areas.  Body men place this 
material behind the panel to take out frequency induced vibrations etc.  
I have it in my doors on the 88, and it gives them a solid sound when you 
slam them , like an American big car.  Dave VE4PN

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