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1 azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woo27you can trust your Land Rover
2 azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woo351001 uses for Waxoyl
3 William Caloccia [calocc53'69 S.IIa 88" for sale
4 azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woo17DOT 5
5 Spenny@aol.com 40Re: off the deep end
6 "Christopher E.J. SPEIGH13LRO Mailing List
7 "Stefan R. Jacob" [1000422Re: Vinalhaven Rover
8 "Stefan R. Jacob" [1000432Re: cross country trip; misc
9 "Stefan R. Jacob" [1000416Status of TeriAnns 109
10 "R. Pierce Reid" [70004.35Touble Dialing in Sgt Major
11 "R. Pierce Reid" [70004.18Is it car or truck
12 Russell Burns [burns@cis22Re: Defender Questions
13 Russell Burns [burns@cis18Re: Defender Questions
14 Mark V Grieshaber [mvgri33Re: DOT 5
15 S|ren Vels Christensen [34Re: Is it car or truck
16 "Mugele, Gerry" [Gerry.M29DMV Classifications
17 DEBROWN@SRP.GOV 31'70 Series 2A for sale in Arizona (USA)
18 Brian Willoughby [BAWILL46 Land-Rovers in Missouri
19 Russell Burns [burns@cis1424v light on defender 90
20 Morgan Hannaford [morgan11Finally, Oct. LRO
21 lloyd@indy14.cs.monash.e13free wheel hubs
22 "T.F. Mills" [tomills@du34Re: LRW US national decoded
23 "T.F. Mills" [tomills@du44Re: painting LRs (and armour)


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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: you can trust your Land Rover
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 11:03:16 UNDEFINED

/I wanted to get onto the roof of the house but all
/3 of my ladders were 100 miles away at a remodeling
/project (yeah, that *is still* going on).  I needed
/to get some plastic off that was covering the
/chimney (do this every summer).  We wanted to have
/a fire and watch the US election results.  What
/to do?  Backed LULU up to the house and it
/was like walking up stairs -- bumper, bonnet, rooftop
/and roof.  Worked great.

Yep. They're great for seeing over crowds (just put a  sunlounger on teh roof 
adn relax in comfort to teh hate-stares of all those round you who cant 
see....)

Or for picking all teh best fruit no-one else can reach...

Or for finding out where the hell you are........

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: 1001 uses for Waxoyl
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 11:09:41 UNDEFINED

/it on.  After my first unsuccessful attempts at spraying (it was
/like oozing snot on a wand) I looked more carefully at the instructions.
/Ahhhh,"shake well before using" and "may be diluted with 10% mineral
/spirits" were written on the can.  I took a long hard look at the
/stuff in the can and decided it needed more than a shake (and all
/attempts at shaking seemed to do little good)....so I marched up
/to the house, threw on a large kettle of water, heated it up on
/the stove, removed the heat, and tossed the can into it.  20 
/minutes later it was free flowing and could even be shaken.  Back
/out to the field (Nigel's workspace), crank up the pump, oozing snot
/again at first, then like magic it sprayed just like it was supposeed

This is the favorite way to get it on thick. Boiling water in a bucket. 
Alternativel;y, thin it about 50/50 with diesel. I use method one for teh 
annual chassis spray,an keep a hand flower-sprayer full of method 2 for on teh 
fly touch ups.

/to.  Threw a total of two gallons onto the boy's frame, springs, axles,
and assorted other underparts, being careful to get it into those
nooks and crannies so often filled with rust and crap.  Grapped a rag

You can get a VERY useful little accessory for teh pressure pump. It's like a 
4 foot tube with a nail in the end. You shove it into every hole you can find 
in teh chassis, the nail spreads teh fan out perpendicular to teh tube, so you 
can spray the INSIDE of all teh chassis members too.

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Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 06:19:11 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>
Subject: '69 S.IIa 88" for sale

1969 Land Rover Series IIa 88" (short wheel base, 3 doors), 56,500 mi

       $3000.

     Mechanically good condition
     (Inspected, registered, etc. in NYS)

     Part-time Four Wheel Drive w/ Free Wheeling front hubs
        recent mechanical bits: water pump, GM altenator, exhaust
               various: tie-rod ends, wheel bearings, brake lines, & wheel cyl.
                     radiator cleaned & repaired, hoses ,etc
                     rebuilt fuel pump, replaced fuel line from tank,
                     (used) rear diff

        needs: footbox/bulkhead welding work, (both footboxes and door posts
		included)

     Solid frame
       recent frame work:  outriggers
       p.o. frame work:    spring hangers

     Body: blue/limestone top, black painted trim,  a couple of minor
	   dings (one on the wing, & a not-quite straight rocker panel)

     Station wagon hard top (sliding side windows, rear bench seats,
            interior trim) complete with Tire w/ Jack, Hand crank &
            monster lug wrench 

     Extras:  Ignition kill switch
              Hood Lock (medeco key, from inside)
              am/fm radio (neither I nor the previous owner(s) could decide
		where to fix it, so you can attach to whatever you want)
              Assorted spare parts

     History: Owned by a VW mechanic in Allston, Ma for the first 18 years,
	      second owner used it to pull his fishing boat, third owner
	      owned an S.III in college, and found he like the idea of owning
	      a rover more than he did working on it. I've had it for five
	      years.

     Reason for sale: I'm in the U.K. and it isn't.

     Availability: Now, vehicle in Troy, NY

Contact:
	Bill Caloccia (caloccia@team.net) (in UK)
	[If interested, I'll put you in touch with someone who can show
	you the Rover.]

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: DOT 5
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 11:13:24 UNDEFINED

/Anyone have big objections to running dot 5 silicone in the brakes and
/clutch?  I do on my Tiger and the soon to be new to me rover has it now.

Wouldnt touch the stuff. It's more spongy than 3 or 4, adn can rot brake lines 
adn seals unless they are designed for it.

No great advantage unless you run your brakes red hot all teh time anyway.

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From: Spenny@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 06:31:09 -0500
Subject: Re: off the deep end

TeriAnn writes
     This is the longest we have been separated since I    purchased 
     her in '78.  Staring at her, I suddenly realized she is both a 
     dream machine and a freedom train.  

TeriAnn, i can sympathize I heard my rover make noise for the first time in
close to 2 years sunday, my just fix a few things quickly turned into a
nightmare project, & I live in an apartment with little space to work on my
rover so another rover friend has been kind enough to let me have my beast
sit in his yard for the last two years.

I am looking forward to some of the same things, but since the wayback
machine is my only vehicle, I am also looking forward to not having to walk
to work in the snow and rain, and not borrow cars from friends to go to the
supermarket.

the best part of finishing the wayback machine (very soon) is i'm going to
park it on top of the cars of my friends that told me that I was crazy, It
would never run again, etc. One of which drives a shitbox that breaks down
and leaves him stranded once a month.

Living off the deep end in MA

Spenny

Spencer K. C. Norcross                               Spenny@aol.com
Haverhill, Mass. USA
508-373-1788 (W)                                508-521-4093 (H)
508-521-1380 (FAX)
===--===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===--===
1969 IIA SWB Bugeye - The Wayback Machine

Land Rovers on the Information Superhighway!
What will they think of next!

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From: "Christopher E.J. SPEIGHT" <SPEIGCEJ@charlie.aston.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 12:13:17 GMT+1
Subject: LRO Mailing List

Please include my address on your EMail Mailing list for Land Rover 
Information

            Thanks
            Chris Speight
            
            speigcej@sun.aston.ac.uk

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Date: 10 Nov 94 08:28:22 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Vinalhaven Rover

Gregory Brown wonders:

>While I am writing I want to pose a question to the digest. Is a Land
>Rover a Car or a Truck?  In my opinion anything that wades through

Neither; it's a sort of agile tractor where you can sit in the dry when
it rains (well, more or less...).

Actually, Mercedes (you know, the folks who make these ridiculously 
overpriced cars) went the right way by calling their 4x4 truck UNIMOG,
an acronym for "UNIversal-MOtor-Geraet", which translates simply to
'universal motor-driven appliance' -  in other words, it's got a
motor, and you can use it for all sorts of things ...  even for driving.
I believe the same applies to the Land Rover.

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043@CompuServe.com>

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Date: 10 Nov 94 08:29:10 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: cross country trip; misc

John Hess (jfhess@ucdavis.edu) asks:

>6 cyl 2.6 engine.  I would feel better adding a lead substitute to the gas
>so as to minimize the chances of burning a valve.  Any suggestions?

My suggestion: Throw out the 6 cyl. and get a V8; much more power, much
less consumption, and no need for lead-related hanky-panky. But then
that's your decision. If you're happy with the six-banger...

>Can I bypass a broken brake booster with a length of brake line and a
>connector if I need to?  I did in my tiger but it's just a touch lighter.

DON'T !!  The servo master brake cylinder has totally different ratings
and measurements than the non-assisted master, even if they 'look' the
same from the outside. If you use the the servo master 'raw' without 
the booster, you might as well wrap a japanese bandana round your head 
and go downhill screaming "BANZAI" ... |->
Simply changing to a non-servo assisted master won't do, either. You
would need to change the entire pedal bracket/suspension-setup, as
angles, rod lengts, travel etc. are different between the two systems.

Land Rovers may be simple, but not *that* simple (not the S.III, anyway).

Take care,

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Date: 10 Nov 94 08:27:29 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Status of TeriAnns 109

...
>I was standing out in Scotty's shop, talking to him and looking out at my
>green 109 facing me in the rain.  I was thinking how nice she looked with the
>...

This elegy is definitely a serious candidate for the lro-faq, possibly
under a heading like "A Bad Case of Land Rover Blues", or perhaps
"Psychopathology of the Land Rover Owner - A Case Study" <bg>

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Date: 10 Nov 94 08:51:05 EST
From: "R. Pierce Reid" <70004.4011@compuserve.com>
Subject: Touble Dialing in Sgt Major

Folks:

For the first time, I am having some trouble dialing in the carb on the Sgt.
Major ('62 IIa88 Military w. Solex-built Zenith-designed Carb).

My problem is this:  acceleration is nil if I do not have the choke pulled out.
It sputters and gasps.  When the choke is out about 1/3rd the way and engine
revs come up just a bit, it works perfectly.  Then, when at cruising speed, I
can push in the choke and it has good power.  It cruises beautifully at 65 and
will do so all day... It's only when accelerating from a stop that I have a
problem.

I rebuilt the carb earlier this fall, the accelerator pump is good (shoots a
good stream of gas when I depress the accelerator).  The timing also seems to be
good, though it does sputter a bit on decelaration... no backfiring, just kind
of a phut phut which it has always done.

The only thing I can think of is that the engine is not getting warm enough to
go off choke... it has the double-core radiator, 8-blade "africa" fan and an oil
cooler -- and my recent addition of a heater has not helped.  It was a setup
perfect for Houston but not exactly what I would choose for Ohio in Winter.  I
think a Radiator muff is in order.

Anyone have any tips on what is going on?  Is my carb adjusted wrong?  I thought
I had it right, but, after all, it's a Land Rover and "right" is a relative
thing.  Can anyone suggest a setup procedure that might work?

Thanks for any advice or help.

R. P. Reid

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Date: 10 Nov 94 08:55:54 EST
From: "R. Pierce Reid" <70004.4011@compuserve.com>
Subject: Is it car or truck

Car or Truck?? 

In fact, the 109 Safari Wagons were registered in Great Britain as a bus at one
point because it seats 12 people.  Without the middle seat in front, it seats
only 11 and was MOT'd as a car or truck and cost far more to register.  Rover
made a conscious decision when they were developing the SerIII Wagon to leave
the seat in the front so that it fit in the bus MOT category.  I don't know what
they might have been thinking of replacing the seat with... console, I  suppose.

Regards, 

R. P. Reid 
(Looking forward to the Last Gasp rally this weekend... bring on the mud!)

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: Defender Questions
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 94 6:37:04 PST

Bill,
The demo was 25900 with a soft top. I wanted yellow, but the Blue was
$3000 cheaper. After all most of the color washes off in a few
years anyway. Other than the full hardtop there were no options. 
I did use  some 1.25x1.25" square steel tube to raise the drives seat.
This was a big improvment. Even my wife likes it higher.
Last night I got a few yards of Dynomat and soundproofed the rear
cargo area, and the doors. This is a big improvment as I can now here
the radio at 70 MPH. I will have to order some more to do the front
floors, transmission hump, and bonnet.
If it was not so expensive I might even consider applying it to the
soft top.....

Russ

none

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: Defender Questions
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 94 7:40:24 PST

Bill,

For 12 years my wife and I have been trying to get a red car/truck.
what we have found is that Red is $2k to $3k more expensive than
the same model in blue. so our last 4 vehicles have been  blue.
When the Rover dealer had this demo advertised we knew our 
red or yellow defender would be blue. Since blue trucks are
allmost becoming a tradition in our household it seems a shame
to buy any other color. (we bought our first couch because we both
aggreed it was ugly)

Russ

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From: Mark V Grieshaber <mvgrie@shute.monsanto.com>
Subject: Re: DOT 5
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 94 9:46:50 CST

Andy Woodward said (referring to DOT 5 Silicone fluid):
> Wouldnt touch the stuff. It's more spongy than 3 or 4, adn can rot brake lines 
> adn seals unless they are designed for it.
> No great advantage unless you run your brakes red hot all teh time anyway.
none

I have used it for a year now in my Black 1978 Datsun 280Z.  I detect
*zero* feel or performance difference in brake and clutch systems between
it and my other 1978 280Z which is still on DOT3 fluid.  No leaks, no
rotting brake lines.

Though I don't run the brakes red hot *all* the time, I did choose Silicone
fluid for its minimal moisture absorbing properties.  Both of my Zs are in
great shape, and I plan on keeping them for many years, so I wanted to
protect the brake components as much as possible.  Literature I have read
states that DOT5 Silicone fluid is compatible with *all* brake system
components (various rubbers, metals usually found in such hydraulic
systems).

Were it not for the stock of new Castrol LMA I have waiting, I would put
DOT5 in my Land Rover as well, for the same reasons.  And for those red hot
brakes.  ;)

Just another data point.

Mark
mvgrie@shute.monsanto.com

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Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 17:25:04 +0200 (METDST)
From: S|ren Vels Christensen <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
Subject: Re: Is it car or truck

Depends on the colour. -On the licence plates.

Over here (Denmark) we have two different licence plate colours.

White:
White is for regular cars. Vehicles with back seats, mainly for 
transportation of passengers. 

Yellow:
Is for cars (trucks) with only front seats. Annual road tax (by weight) is
about one third of cars. No persons in the back. Not even when camping.
Any car can be registered as a truck (with the back seats out).

With the weight and fuel economy af a Land-Rover, most LR's are registered
as trucks. But there is a price to pay. Everey second year, MoT

		--==<<(( INSPECTION ))>>==--

Thats why most LROs over here has a nice tan on the legs, and on the torso and
arms a maggot-white colour with oil-black, dirt-brown, rust-red dots.

Mine is a truck, but i usually refer to it as a Land-Rover.

+----------------------------+--------------------------------+
| Soren Vels                 | 1976  sIII  109"   2.25 petrol |
| velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk     | "Lawrence of Arabia"           |    ((|||))
| Royal Danish Air Force     | Dansk Land-Rover Klub no. 3564 |   ((|||))
| Communications Specialist  | DL-RK: Approx. 1000 members.   |    ((|||))
+----------------------------+--------------------------------+__((|||))______

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From: "Mugele, Gerry" <Gerry.Mugele@wellsfargo.com>
Subject: DMV Classifications
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 94 08:35:00 PST

Don't know why anyone would rely on the DMV to determine the appropriate 
category for their Land Rover.  That's not an organization normally 
associated with brilliant/clever/reasonable decision making.  Here in 
California there was recently a minor scandal: seems the DMV spent $54+ 
million on a new computer system from Tandem Systems.  After 3+ plus years 
of effort they have been unable to get it to work and now have dropped the 
project as a throw-away.

So anyway, my first L-R, a '69 88" Hardtop was,  in the estimation of these 
people,  a sedan.  And so the registration indicated for the first 20+ years 
of its life  (it's now in Washington State).  My second L-R, a '67 88" 
pickup, was reckoned to be (big surprise here) a pickup truck and was so 
registered.  My current beastie, a '72 88" hardtop, was much less fortunate. 
 The brutal savages at the DMV didn't just slander us, they made it 
permanent:  on the registration tag, under the label TYPE, it clearly says 
(arrgghhhh) JEEP.

Conclusion:  I don't trust the DMV to tell me a turnip is not a motor 
vehicle and it's only luck that they get  "Land Rover" spelled correctly. 
 And the appropriate label is simply "Land Rover"

Gerry
RM - ** What if there were no more hypothetical situations?

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Date: Thu, 10 Nov 94 09:41:48 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: '70 Series 2A for sale in Arizona (USA)

FROM:  David Brown                          Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB204 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: '70 Series 2A for sale in Arizona (USA)
I didn't know if it's appropriate to post LR's for sale, but since there
are not that many in the US, and some were already listed, here goes...

I was came across this, looks like a fair deal.

1970 IIa LR red color with white roof, roof rack, light guards, 2.2
engine, weber carb, "Rover-Drive", new frame, new brakes. $6000 (US)

e-mail me if interested, and I can get you in touch with him.

Dave Brown - debrown@srp.gov - '94 Disco - Phoenix Arizona (USA)

In reference to the "looking for love" thread...

Wanted: Driveway mate for newborn Disco, 1 month old. All Land Rovers
and Range Rovers welcome. Both myself and my Disco are single, I have
kids, but the Disco is too young to be dropping anything yet...

#=====#                  Never doubt that a small group of individuals
|___|__\___              can change the world... indeed, it's the only
|   |   |  |             thing that ever has.
""O""""""O""                                            -Margaret Mead

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Date:         Thu, 10 Nov 94 12:28:54 EST
From: Brian Willoughby <BAWILL01@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Land-Rovers in Missouri

Ray Harder caught me.  I guess that I over-generalised and assumed that all
Land-Rovers were registered in the same fashion in Missouri.  Everbody I know
that has their's licensed, has it licensed as a car (those ugly red plates
that say "Show Me State" at the bottom and have the renewal sticker dead
centre, for those of you who've never seen one.)  You see, before I came
to the University of Kentucky, I was working in St. Louis and that is where
I bought the car and had it inspected.  Ray lives in Columbia and as I recall
does not have to take the same test to get a license as the folks in St. Louis
and Kansas City do.  It has something to do with combatting air polution in
urban areas of the state.  Out-state, you do have to pass a safety inspection
that makes sure that your headlamps, wipers, turn signals, brake lights, horn

and brakes all work.  For newer cars, post-'68 I believe, you must be able to
pass an emissions test.  L.R. is so old that he is grandfathered in and does
not have to worry about that.  The safety inspection was fun.  The mechanic
couldn't figure out how to do anything with it.  I was in their waiting room
expecting to be called out which is exactly what happened.  I had to start it
for them, flip on the lamps and wiper motors and sound the horn.  I'm glad they
deferred to me to do all of this; it seems that this is an easy way to get
your car damaged.  Anyway, the inspection station decided that L.R. was a car.
And that is what he got licensed as.  Of course, he has no seat belts and if I
can help it, never will.  I have him insured as an antique car, and therefore

insurance, if it can be as such, is rather reasonable:  about $50 a year with
a mileage limitation of 2500.  It's really not bad if you don't use your
Land-Rover for anything other than fun on the weekends.  As many of you know,
I am in the process of restoring L.R. to as new condition.  My desire is to
have him look the way he did when he rolled off the line 34 years ago in
Solihull.  And that is why I don't want seatbelts; they are not original.  (I
always wear them in my cars that do have them installed, by the way.)  So any
way, that is how my Land-Rover came to be a car in Missouri.  Rather
arbitrarily, I presume.  I guess that it may also have something to do with
the fact that it is titled, incorrectly, as a Jeep.  Having never owned one,
I don't know how the state licenses them, though as I recall, most I have ever

seen were registered as cars (in reference to CJ's, of course.)  This really
has muckied up the waters a bit.  Though I thought that it might end some of
the confusion.
Brian Willoughby
bawill01@ukcc.uky.edu
1960 Series II Station Wagon 88", goes by the name of H.R.H. L.R. Rafiki

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: 24v light on defender 90
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 94 10:39:47 PST

I just noticed one of my dash lights on the Defender 90
has a picture of a battery and 24V inside of it. Do they build 
this beast for 24V ?. 

Just curious
Russ Burns
91 Range rover
94 Defender 90

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Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:39:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Morgan Hannaford <morgan@nature.Berkeley.EDU>
Subject: Finally, Oct. LRO

I got the October LRO yesterday.  A full week after Roger got it
and he lives nearby.  "bitch, bitch, bitch!!!"

Morgan Hannaford
Berkeley, CA
'69 88"

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Date: Fri, 11 Nov 94 10:10:34 +1100
From: lloyd@indy14.cs.monash.edu.au (Lloyd Allison)
Subject: free wheel hubs

there are several reasons to engage FW hubs from time to time -
   the front prop-shaft slip-joint can wear oval
   if it is not rotating
   The upper steering bearing/bush needs the oil
   The front diff can rust above the oil-line unless
   it has an oil-film.
   (?tried them on RR or discovery ?-)
Lloyd

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: LRW US national decoded
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 00:07:59 -0700 (MST)

Dixon writes:

< 	December LRW arrived in Ottawa yesterday, or at least my
< 	neck of the Ottawa region.  I do like the colour photo
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
< 	the British Invasion at Stowe (p. 111).  It has, er,
<       character.  

Next time, I'll remember there's an easier and surer way to get my
car/truck/lorry/vehicle/beast in LRW!  

< 	AN excellent article.  Were the photos that you supplied on slides,
< 	or were they on paper?

Photos were Kodachrome, mostly using a polarizing filter which
enriches the colours and contrast.  (The camera is a 20 year old Canon
SLR on its last legs.  It has been up the Matterhorn, down the Grand
Canyon, and almost smashed by an East German border guard.  The
photographer is a 40 something fruitcake who doesn't mind getting
smashed on occasion, but still views the world right side up.)  I don't
know about nowadays, but it used to be that publishers preferred
working from slides.  I sent a sheet of 20 slides to LRW and they used
eleven of them.

rgds...

T. F. Mills                                              tomills@du.edu
University of Denver Library  2150 E. Evans Ave.  Denver  CO 80208  USA

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: painting LRs (and armour)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 00:37:33 -0700 (MST)

Soren of Arabia Vels writes:

< If you plan on going to ex-Yugoslavia DON'T PAINT IT WHITE!. The bosnian
< serbs will think it belongs to UN peacekeeping force and will let you taste
< a few one-o-fives. When you crawl out of the smoking wreck, the snipers will
< get the rest of you.

That reminds of a small article that appeared in Sept/Oct AMERICAN
PHOTO (p.12).  Here's the full text:

CHAUVEL'S ARMOR: THE LATEST THING
  How hazardous has the situation become for photojournalist working in
the free-fire zone that is Bosnia?  With bullets flying in every
direction and snipers posted throughout the tortured land,
photographers who've gone there to document the war are veritable
targets. 
  Famed war correspondent Patrick Chauvel, who's been injured many
times while covering other conflicts--and who is considered one of the
most daring photojournalists around--has gone so far as to buy (with
his agency, Sygma) a used British army armored personnel carrier for
his travels around Bosnia.
  "If Chauvel thinks he needs armored protection, you know it's a bad
place," says photojournalist Chris Morris, who has also spent a great
deal of time dodging bullets in Yugoslavia.
  Chauvel bought the truck, which had been used by the British army in
Northern Ireland, from a collector in Great Britain.  Reportedly,
other photojournalists have also been using armored-car protection of
their own.
--David Schonauer
[end of article]

accompaying photo shows an armored LR being painted WHITE.

And there's no doubt this LR is a babe magnet:  Elle Macpherson is on
the same page, also in white.

T. F. Mills                                              tomills@du.edu
University of Denver Library  2150 E. Evans Ave.  Denver  CO 80208  USA

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