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1 Mr Ian Stuart [IAN@lab0.19*December* LRW
2 kjartan@ejs.is (Kjartan)19Foers Ibex
3 Russell Burns [burns@cis35New Defender 90
4 Russell Burns [burns@cis18large tires
5 maloney@wings.attmail.co37Flames for Ian Stuart & assorted BS
6 Mike Rooth [M.J.Rooth@lu28Re: Flames for Ian Stuart & assorted BS
7 Mike Rooth [M.J.Rooth@lu14Re: New Defender 90
8 azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woo25Re: Washing a LR?
9 azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woo15Re: Washing a LR?
10 azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woo23Re: Washing lorries
11 azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woo27Re: Washing lorries again (sorry)
12 azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woo20HEADLINES "ROVER PLUNGES OVER CLIFF"
13 Mike Rooth [M.J.Rooth@lu31Fuel Thoughts
14 hiner@mail.utexas.edu (G14Grade 8 hardware? Try Cat!
15 "Russell G. Dushin" [dus24Re: Fuel Thoughts
16 rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.21Engine not running!
17 maloney@wings.attmail.co33Flames For Ian & Other BS
18 Mike Fredette [mfredett@26[not specified]
19 Mike Fredette [mfredett@9[not specified]
20 Steven M Denis [denis@o21Re: Flames for Ian Stuart & assorted BS
21 maloney@wings.attmail.co42Mike "Sparky" Rooth
22 maloney@wings.attmail.co16Re: Engine Not Running
23 "Russell G. Dushin" [dus17Re: New LRs waxed?
24 Jan Hilborn [jhilborn@mo20Re: Flames for Ian Stuart & assorted BS
25 "Ian Stuart, Faculty" [I22"The sheer size and ..... look like toys"
26 mtalbot@interserv.com 18[not specified]
27 "TeriAnn Wakeman" [twak36Tip from Scotty
28 Morgan Hannaford [morgan28Re: your mail
29 LANDROVER@delphi.com 19Re: Flames for Ian Stuart & assorted BS


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From: Mr Ian Stuart <IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 08:21:14 +0000
Subject: *December* LRW

Wow!

December LRW was waiting for me when I got home!

This is 3 days before it hits the shelves here in the UK.

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
WWW sites: Work -- <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/>      
           Play -- <http://tardis.ed.ac.uk/~ian/>
#======================================================================#
I'm not a computing nerd, I'm a computing geek.   |Land Rover owners do
Geeks are much higher up the evolutionary chain.  |  it in the mud.

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Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 14:47:34 GMT
From: kjartan@ejs.is (Kjartan)
Subject: Foers Ibex

There was a discussion a couple of days ago regarding the Foers IBEX and I just remembered what a hardtop IBEX looks like and want one, at least at 
the moment B^).
Does anyone have information on: 
   prices for the 110 in.four door hardtop, 
   implications of using Range Rover parts,
   whats included like electrics, darhboard, seats etc. .
   fax number at Foers.
   etc...

Thanks.
Kjartan Bergsson
Iceland
(85' RR, 2door, auto, 33x12.5x15 tires.)
kjartan@ejs.is

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: New Defender 90
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 94 7:02:55 PST

Well I have a new commuter vehicle. It is going  to take a some work
to get the noise level down to usable levels.
I have already raised the seat 1.5" for more leg room, and even my
wife who is only 5' thinks this is a great improvment.
To reduce the noise I am hoping the following will help.
1: Hardtop. If LRNA can ever deliver it.
2: Less aggresive tires maybe AT instead of the BF Goodrich MT that
   are installed.
3: Sound deading materials on the bed, and doors.

About 90 frames. Does any one know what this factory wax junk injected
into the frame feels like. The inside of both the RR, and the 90 frames
feel like bare metal to me...

And onto transmissions..
Since this was a demo model it came with the older transmission,
the LT77s(?), and not the RS380(?). after brousing through the owners
manual I noticed the Transmission fluid was ATF fluid. Is this the proper
fluid for older LT77s(?) transmissions?

Also in the manual it states "after washing the vehicle, inspect the 
paint for damage" ( I told you washing ruins the paint).

Well hopefuly with a hardtop, and a little work I will be able to survive
my 100 mile a day commute..

Russ

	

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: large tires
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 94 7:06:14 PST

Kjartan,
How do those 33x12.5x15 tires work? Did You have to make any
modifications to your RR for clearance?

Russ
91 RR
94 90
> There was a discussion a couple of days ago regarding the Foers IBEX and I just remembered what a hardtop IBEX looks like and want one, at least at 
> the moment B^).
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
> (85' RR, 2door, auto, 33x12.5x15 tires.)
> kjartan@ejs.is

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Date: Thu, 03 Nov 1994 10:59:14 -0500
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Flames for Ian Stuart & assorted BS

Ian writes:

none
...bla bla bla bla I just go my December LRO bla bla bla...
none

You really are annoying. :-)  I just got my October issue last Friday :-(.  

I called Craddocks just after I got it to order that really cool Land Rover 
watch with the white face and they were all sold out.  The fellow on the 
phone said they have no plans to produce any others (could this have anything 
with LR getting their panties in a bunch about other vendors using the LR 
name/logo?).

Boy, it sure has been quiet lately.  Waterbag, beer, babe, flames, or even 
"Disco, Defender, RR S#!+" messages would be welcome. 

Did anyone learn the name of that x-rated movie where the driver runs his 
Rover into a cliff and, as those British workshop manuals so quaintly put re 
waterpump replacement, "offers himself up" to his female passengers?   
Normally I would NEVER buy a disgusting piece of trash as this, but in this 
case I could make an exception (Was it in english?  Subtitles?).

While we're at it, does anyone know the issue of Playboy where the center 
"spread" was shot in the back of a soft top 88?  I'd like to see if I could 
locate a back issue for my, er, Land Rover Library.

A "whole lotta nothin" from Baloney

Wayne, NJ USA

maloney@wings.attmail.com

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Flames for Ian Stuart & assorted BS
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 94 15:54:32 GMT

Okay,Maloney(sigh) let's begin....A,B,C........You,know,its called
the ALPHABET.And all the little shapes are a *sound*.Now,"O" is for
"Owner",and "W" is for "World".Go on,say it after me....Next lesson
will be on the subject of proer joined-up writing..:-)
So Ian got his Dec Land Rover WORLD.There is absolutely zilch chance
of anyone getting the Land Rover Owner early.No way.
Just to make your day,though,I got Land Rover World early too.From my
newsagent.Delivered.Which was *really* surprising,because I hadnt
ordered it.Are they trying to tell me something?I usually go round 
and buy it off the shelf.Looks like a bit of creative marketing to me.
Worth having though,the best issue so far.Lots of Series Ones,article
on the Brockhouse trailer,*another* new Editor that makes three so
far,and an example of fast track promotion inasmuch as the staff writer
taken on about five months ago is now Assistant Editor.So,William my boy,
there's hope for you yet.Let the muse take hold(I should have a bath first)
burst into purple prose,take the odd piccy,shove it in the post,and bingo,
LRW's North American Asst Ed!The New World's answer to Pete Wilford.
Or Marge Proops(look it up).Who's doing what to Who in the back of What.
Brings a whole new dimension to approach and departure angles!
Cheers
Mike Rooth
(Well,you cant be allowed a monopoly on Pampas Grass Fertiliser)

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: New Defender 90
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 94 16:05:58 GMT

Russ,
How did this factory wax thing start?I've never seen any reference
to it outside this list.I'm not saying they *dont* do it,but I've
never seen anywhere state they *do* either.Over here,its the first
thing a caring owner does,bung the chassis full of Waxoyl,and give
it a good going over outside,too,but I dodnt realise it was a factory
process.Just curious
Mike Rooth

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Washing a LR?
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 16:15:49 UNDEFINED

/Is it out of the question to try and make my LR a litle cleaner looking?
/Or is this against some sort of code?  Every LR I have seen seems to look
/like it was never washed, painted or cleaned whatsoever.  The guy that my
/father bought his LR from said he had never washed it, and had never been
/washed before to his knowledge.  My father never washed it for the 15
/years he had it, and now that he has given it to me, I feel as though I
/shouldn't break this tradition.  Is this a common? Do Land Rovers every
/get washed?  

ON NO ACCOUNT WASH A LANDROVER!!!!!!!!

They use a special detergent-soluble aluminium. The only way to make em last 
is to build up a protective layer of mud.

Do not flout teh wisdom of generations.

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Washing a LR?
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 16:18:57 UNDEFINED

/        Clean the frame thoroughly after every mud run.  Use a 
/        pressure washer on the frame if you have one.  Leaving mud and dirt

Be very careful where you aim pressure washers. They can blast water past 
seals into places it really shouldnt be...........

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Washing lorries
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 16:24:46 UNDEFINED

I suppose I should put teh flamethrower away for a few moments.

I pressure wash mine ONCE A YEAR ONLY (in Autumn - before the salt season) to 
minimise possible damage to bearings due to water blast past seals. I do this 
on a dry day, so that nothing is kicked up from the road on teh way home. It 
is then parked till COMPLETLEY dry and then Waxoyled. 

It is then left untouched till next Autumn - except that whenever I am doing 
anything to the lorry - even checking the tyres, if I see any rust, I give it 
a squirt from a little plant sprayer filled with Waxoyl diluted with deisel to 
spray smoothly.

Works for me.

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Washing lorries again (sorry)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 16:31:07 UNDEFINED

/possible to the British car public.  It gives me a chance to get up on the 
/roof and scrape off the moss and lichens growing up there, and to evict the 
/spiders from inside the car.  So she normally gets a complete scrubbing down 

I cant beleive you said that!!!! Scraping teh roof of lichens? WHre's your 
environmental awareness? Mine has a good garden going. The helps teh CO2 
balance of teh atmosphere, adn aslo helps it blend with teh background better 
than teh base white when I'm bivouacing somewhere I shouldnt.

The spiders are part of a balanced ecosystem. I love my spiders. I dont have 
problems with mosquitos when I'm sleeping in it.

/I don't see the point in keeping a car dirty just for the sake of it being 
/dirty.

No, you misunderstand, it should be dirty for the sake of laziness. Any time 
you get goes on teh mechanicals.

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: HEADLINES "ROVER PLUNGES OVER CLIFF"
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 16:37:44 UNDEFINED

/100meters straight down, 300 feet. 5 people in the truck flipping all over. 
/whenthey landed in the bushes below one girl walked away with only scratches, 
/the driver had a broken leg and arm. and well the other three didnt make it. 
/call ita miracle that anyone survived, maybe its because of the rover?? i 

How much use are roll cages? I've seen an number of hartop SWBs on their 
roofs. They seem to sit there with their little wheels in teh air, looking 
all crestfallen till someone takes pity and pushes them back over..........

Always been in soft mud tho (we have a lot of that here.....)

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Fuel Thoughts
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 94 17:04:17 GMT

The recent thread on fuel prices worldwide prompted the following.
A couple of weeks ago,on the weekly trog out to the supermarket,
my wife (ever on the lookout for a bargain)pointed out that we
had just passed(yeah,well,we all have 'em)a filling station with
diesel at 47.9p per litre.So the next week I got filled up there.
Its ELF fuel,French firm I think,and was adverised as reduced odour
(SMELL,Maloney,means it dont pong),reduced emissions,more MPG etc.
Well,the diesel smokes a littl;e less when hot,more when cold,seems
to be a bit more economical,and the fuel certainly doesnt smell much
at all.But.But.Its started spark throwing.Imagine a LNWR G7 0-8-0
doing thirty MPH with 500 tons trailing,transatlantic try a NYC
Mowhawk with four times the load,uphill and you've got the picture.
Much though I love the steam locomotive,I'm not sure I want the Land
Rover to do a passable imitation of a badly drafted example.
I think what is happening is that the fuel is decoking the bloody
thing out of the exhaust pipe.Since I'm a firm beleiver in leaving
a quarter inch of carbon round the piston periphery when decoking,
to keep the seal,I dont think I'll continue with this brand,cheap
or not.I dont think science has yet come forth with an additive that
*will* leave me this carbon ring.And further,if a valve shuts(or trys
to) on one of these lumps of carbon,that's my engine gone.
Hasa anyone else had any odd experiences with modern so called 
hi-tech fuels?
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 11:04:51 -0600
From: hiner@mail.utexas.edu (Greg Hiner)
Subject: Grade 8 hardware?  Try Cat!

I saw this note on the Brit list and I thought it might be of interest.

Greg

>From: TVRVixen@aol.com
>Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 10:59:17 -0500
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 26 lines)]
>dealer for 7 years.
>Don

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel Thoughts
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 94 12:47:14 EST

Mike Rooth asks:

> Hasa anyone else had any odd experiences with modern so called 
> hi-tech fuels?

I've seen them beat the piss outa the seals on a two stroke....and
if you recall, dem's neccessary, else you suck air and tranny oil
into the combustion chamber, thence sieze up good.

My two stroke is more or less parked these days (it's in "appreciation
mode") but a bro of mine runs a dozen or so (all on the road) on a
regular basis (even in winter-and you thought *you* had a cold ride).
He goes north for gasoline, just outa the "NY-metro area", where
pollution control isn't a fad yet, to buy the good-'ol (but unleaded)
stuff that just ain't available down here no more.

rd/nige/'79 RD400F
(the bro owns a fleet of late sixties/early seventies yamaha twins)

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Date: Thu, 3 Nov 94 11:04:47 MST
From: rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com ( ROY CALDWELL )
Subject: Engine not running!

Well here is the story.  My new engine won't run.
This is the situation.  Electrically things are
fine, the plugs spark the points are set and open and 
close, the timing mark is correct with the 1 and 2
valves closed, fuel to the carb and the starter cranking.
Yes the distributer drive dog is pointing at the no. 1
cylinder at TDC.  When I try to start it, it for all
the world sounds like it is trying to fire back through
the carb.  That would indicate that the time chain and 
cam are off.  That has been checked several times.
When I go to TDC the 1 and 2 valves are closed the 
distributer rotor is pointing dead at no. 1. What have
I done wrong?  There must be something!  Help, help,
please??

Roy - Rovers in the Rockies - Not under power yet, Damm!

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Date: Thu, 03 Nov 1994 13:30:19 -0500
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Flames For Ian & Other BS

Mike writes:  

none
Okay,Maloney(sigh) let's begin....A,B,C........You,know,its called
the ALPHABET.And all the little shapes are a *sound*.Now,"O" is for
"Owner",and "W" is for "World".Go on,say it after me....Next lesson
will be on the subject of proer joined-up writing..:-)
none

Mike, 

Thanks for the clarification.  I feel much better now.

Ben Smith and I had a conversation about you before he left for CA.  We have 
a question.  In all of the British shows we see on Public Television here, 
when the Brits go out in the yard or whatever, they are always wearing a 
jacket and tie (and usually a vest or sweater underneath).  Even the farmers. 
 It doesn't matter whether they are plowing fields, shovelling poop, or 
catching bull semen (Yup, I caught that episode of All Creatures.  Very, Very 
funny).  So our question is, do YOU put on your best duds to putter in the 
barnyard, deliver newborn cattle, or better yet, for changing the canister 
oil filter on your IIA?

Inquiring netters want to know.

Bill

maloney@wings.attmail.com

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Subject: Re: New Defender 90 
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 1994 10:10:05 -0800
From: Mike Fredette <mfredett@ichips.intel.com>

Mike Rooth asks,

	Russ,
How did this factory wax thing start?I've never seen any reference
to it outside this list.I'm not saying they *dont* do it,but I've
never seen anywhere state they *do* either.Over here,its the first
thing a caring owner does,bung the chassis full of Waxoyl,and give
it a good going over outside,too,but I dodnt realise it was a factory
process.Just curious

	Well I've got a video from 1990 put out by Land Rover North
America that details how to sell a Range Rover to a prospective sucker
and in the video they have several shots of the factory. One of these 
shows and describes how the factory injects a hot paraffin wax solution
into the frames for corrosion protection. So it's been going on at least
since 1989 when the video was made, how long before that, if at all, is
open to speculation.
						RGDS
						Mike Fredette
						90 Range Rover
						94 Defender
						prospective sucker

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Subject: Re: Engine not running! 
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 1994 10:30:55 -0800
From: Mike Fredette <mfredett@ichips.intel.com>

roy
	Check first that your plug wires are routed to the 
proper cylinders. It sounds like they are not.
						Rgds
						Mike Fredette

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Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 13:48:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: Flames for Ian Stuart & assorted BS

Umm Bill? *I* happen to have a pristine copy of that ummmm "periodical" 
with the 88 soft top...(looks quite firm,actually..... 8-} )
I'll start the bidding at ummmmm  a copy of Oct 90 Lro...the one with the 
picture of NOTAJEEP in it......Deal?

(sorry Jan, sorry Jan, sorry TeriAnne....but it *is* a ummm "interresting 
use of a land rover.....)

steve..........

"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
"        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
"        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
"        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

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Date: Thu, 03 Nov 1994 14:36:39 -0500
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Mike "Sparky" Rooth

Sparky gets food for his oilburner:

none
Its ELF fuel,French firm I think,and was adverised as reduced odour
(SMELL,Maloney,means it dont pong)
none

HMMM... pong... sorry Mike, it wasn't in the American Heritage Dictionary and 
I don't speak or read English.  No comprendo.  Unless you meant "amore" 
instead of "odour", in which case "pong" could mean something entirely 
different.

(SMELL,Maloney,means it dont pong)
Well,the diesel smokes a littl;e less when hot,more when cold,seems
to be a bit more economical,and the fuel certainly doesnt smell much
at all.But.But.Its started spark throwing.Imagine a LNWR G7 0-8-0
doing thirty MPH with 500 tons trailing,transatlantic try a NYC
Mowhawk with four times the load,uphill and you've got the picture.
Much though I love the steam locomotive,I'm not sure I want the Land
Rover to do a passable imitation of a badly drafted example.
(SMELL,Maloney,means it dont pong)

Oh, Oh, I think we've got a railhead here.  

Mike, folks pay good money on this side of the pond to make their vehicles 
spark.  They put special hi-carbon skid plates underneath, lower the 
suspension, and shower loads of sparks going down the street.   You got all 
the benefits without having to invest in any of the suspension mods.  
Seriously, it sounds like you may have major carbon build up in your 
combustion chambers and a little ELF in your tank might do your lump some 
good (must be quite a sight at night).

Bored in Short Hills

Bill

maloney@wings.attmail.com

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Date: Thu, 03 Nov 1994 15:15:39 -0500
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Re: Engine Not Running

Roy,

First check the firing order - 1-3-4-2 counterclockwise.

Next try switching your wires, to make it 180 degrees out from what it is now. 
I realize you have done the proper timing checks but the firing through the 
carb sounds exactly like it being out 180.  Give it a try, just for kicks.

Bill

maloney@wings.attmail.com      

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: New LRs waxed?
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 94 14:38:08 EST

Mike Fredette writes:
> Mike Rooth asks,
> 	Russ,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 19 lines)]
> since 1989 when the video was made, how long before that, if at all, is
> open to speculation.

My friend's 110 (#5 of the 500) appeared to only have cosmoline on the
frame when it arrived, although we never did peek within it.

rd/nigel

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Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 14:45:21 -0500 (EST)
From: Jan Hilborn <jhilborn@moose.uvm.edu>
Subject: Re: Flames for Ian Stuart & assorted BS

On Thu, 3 Nov 1994, Steven M Denis wrote:

> Umm Bill? *I* happen to have a pristine copy of that ummmm "periodical" 
> with the 88 soft top...(looks quite firm,actually..... 8-} )
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> (sorry Jan, sorry Jan, sorry TeriAnne....but it *is* a ummm "interresting 
> use of a land rover.....)
 
 don't apologize to me... I was editing the Rovers North newsletter when 
that particular ummm "periodical" got sent in for Land Rover sightings.
  
 And, no, i don't still have it (although it may still be around Rovers 
North) so don't start writing me silly poems to try and weasle it outa me.
 
 jan

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From: "Ian Stuart, Faculty" <IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 17:06:15 +0000
Subject: "The sheer size and ..... look like toys"

For those of you who get copies of LRW, T.F. Mills' article is published.

Starts on page 58/59 and is very good. No picture of his 109, but check 
out the picture of the "caves" on page 63.

An excellent article and some beautifull pictures!

(Do you fancy comming over to do some of the SLROC events?)

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
WWW sites: Work -- http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/       
           Play -- http://tardis.ed.ac.uk/~ian/
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From: mtalbot@interserv.com
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 16:30:01 -0800

All, 

Has anyone tackled the task of replacing the roof side window channels. Mine ^M
have so much #$%@ growing in then, its impossible to open the windows even a ^M
crack. I tried to remove one side and after bending and grinding out the old ^M
channels, destorying the retaining Alum side trim. I got the windows out alomg ^M
with the bottom retainer. 

Now to put them back, I know where to get the replacment channels, what about ^M
the aluminum lip that holds the lower retaining tray ???? Anyone offer any ^M
help.

Rgds Mark   

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Date: Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:39:25 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Tip from Scotty

I was chatting with Scotty over the phone yesterday evening and he passed me a 
tip and asked that I forward it to the group.

Back in the days when he ran a Land Rover authorized warrenty repair shop, he 
recieved a bulliton from Land Rover saying not to park Land Rovers facing down a
steep hill.

The primary input shaft on the front of the transmission does not have a regular
oil seal.  It instead has scrolling that activly pushes the oil back into the 
gear box when the Land Rover is tilted downward enough that the transmission oil
level reaches the input shaft.  This works well when the Land Rover is moving 
but does not work when the car is parked.  

Transmission oil will flow down along the shaft and go onto the clutch disk.  
Left facing a steep downhill long enough, the clutch can start slipping.  The 
heat of the clutch will dry the oil and create a glaze that causes clutch 
jidder.

He mentioned that a few clutch disks were replaced on warrentee because people 
parked regularly facing down hill on some of the San Francisco hills.

I believe he said that the problem occures when the slope gets to be about 25 or
30 degrees.  so a slight downhill slope is OK.  

If you park on a steep slope always aim the nose of your Land Rover uphill.

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 21:28:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Morgan Hannaford <morgan@nature.Berkeley.EDU>
Subject: Re: your mail

Yup, I messed with that about 3 months ago.  I was tired of people
saying I had a "chia-rover", regarding all the Bryophytes sprouting
out of the channels.

You got a bit pain in the rear on your hands.  I had to redrill all the
window channels to match the old screw holes.  I too had to originally 
just tear out/break the old channels, the screws were either too corroded
or I just couldn't find then in the microcosm of the channel.

I'm sure you can dig up a derelict truck for the needed part or send 
Rovers North a small fortune and they'll find you one.

Good luck,
Morgan H.

On Thu, 3 Nov 1994 mtalbot@interserv.com wrote:

> All, 
> Has anyone tackled the task of replacing the roof side window channels. Mine 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
> the aluminum lip that holds the lower retaining tray ???? Anyone offer any 
> help.
> Rgds Mark   

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 1994 02:21:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Flames for Ian Stuart & assorted BS

Bill is bored...
 
> While we're at it, does anyone know the issue of Playboy where the center 
> "spread" was shot in the back of a soft top 88?  I'd like to see if I
could 
> locate a back issue for my, er, Land Rover Library.
> "spread" was shot in the back of a soft top 88?  I'd like to see if I

Bill...
I believe that Steve Denis had that issue.. (Gasp! Not Steve!) or maybe it
was just the centerfold...
Cheers
Mike

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