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Date: 29 Oct 94  1:18:45 EDT
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  Contents:
  1 M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk Fri Oct 28 15:09   22/1160  Re: Jon's Steering Relay
  2 70004.4011@compuserve.com Fri Oct 28 15:09   25/1152  The Living Daylights
  3 burns@cisco.com    Fri Oct 28 15:14   28/1363  Re: Famous rover owners
  4 M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk Fri Oct 28 15:22   34/1429  Re: The Living Daylights
  5 jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu Fri Oct 28 15:40   56/2909  Re: Jon's Steering Relay
  6 sinasohn@crl.com   Fri Oct 28 16:22   27/1471  Re: Dormobiles
  7 sinasohn@crl.com   Fri Oct 28 16:23   36/2084  Re: lro & military Land R
  8 bens@archimedes.chinalake.navy.mil Fri Oct 28 16:43   44/2622  Re: Picking 
on Land Rover
  9 dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca Fri Oct 28 16:47   37/1948  Re: Hi all and a 
bumper Q
 10 dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca Fri Oct 28 16:47   40/2125  Re:Fuel consumption
 11 hgreensp@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu Fri Oct 28 17:43   30/1638  High-wattage 
reverse ligh
 12 dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com Fri Oct 28 18:43   31/1756  Re: High-wattage 
reverse 
 13 tcoron@s850.mwc.edu Fri Oct 28 19:28   28/1007  anybody out there???
 14 hiner@mail.utexas.edu Fri Oct 28 19:30   36/1790  That popping, semi-backfi
 15 paul@tantrum.frcs.alt.za Fri Oct 28 19:32   44/2202  Re: The Land Rover 
Owner 
 16 brandenberg@wrksys.enet.dec.com Fri Oct 28 20:01   34/1947  Re: That 
popping, semi-ba
 17 jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu Fri Oct 28 20:40   46/2478  Re: High-wattage reverse 
 18 morgan@nature.Berkeley.EDU Fri Oct 28 20:49   45/2267  Re: 
OFFICIALLY-UNOFFICIAL
 19 DUDLEY@gate2.cc.unp.ac.za Fri Oct 28 21:39   42/2207  MY FIRST TIME REALLY 
STUC
 20 maloney@wings.attmail.com Fri Oct 28 21:39   54/2840  Jon's Steering Relay
 21 bens@archimedes.chinalake.navy.mil Fri Oct 28 21:44   29/1454  I have moved
 22 dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com Fri Oct 28 22:06   62/3398  Re: That popping, 
semi-ba
 23 mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net Fri Oct 28 23:15   26/1402  Intro with Anecdote(s)
 24 mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net Fri Oct 28 23:15   34/1787  OHV Parks and Trips
 25 mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net Fri Oct 28 23:15   67/3954  OFFICIALLY-UNOFFICIAL 
TRI
 26 mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net Fri Oct 28 23:15   43/2595  Land Rovers
 27 mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net Fri Oct 28 23:18   61/3291  Land-Rovers (still)
 28 velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk Sat Oct 29 01:35   49/2342  Re: Intro with Anecdote(s
 29 LANDROVER@delphi.com Sat Oct 29 06:12   44/2558  Re: That popping, semi-ba
 30 LANDROVER@delphi.com Sat Oct 29 06:12   38/1878  Re: High-wattage reverse 

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Jon's Steering Relay
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 94 13:51:27 GMT

I offer this with a certain degree of trepidation,but.....
Is it at all possible that a PO has had the steering relay
off,and replaced it upside down?
Dont shoota da gun..
Mike Rooth

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Date: 28 Oct 94 08:38:00 EDT
From: "R. Pierce Reid" <70004.4011@compuserve.com>
Subject: The Living Daylights

Ian:

There is also a 110 Defender "Converted" to look like a Russian GAZ jeep in one
of the scenes.  As memory serves, "Bond" Prachutes in the Land Rover/Gaz out the
back of a C130, lands on the highway, smashes through a stone wall and says "I
know a great restaurant in Kurachi."  

Regards, 

R. P. Reid

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: Famous rover owners
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 94 8:13:05 PDT

j> 
> Elizabeth Windsor (et al) - Range Rovers, dicoveries and Defenders 
> (numbers?)
>           Queen Elizabeth - A Bronze Green 110 Defender (manual)

According to my Mom, I have some releatives across the pond who
retired from landrover. One of their functions was to insure the
Queens Range Rover was up to snuff.

Russ

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: The Living Daylights
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 94 13:56:29 GMT

> Ian:
> There is also a 110 Defender "Converted" to look like a Russian GAZ jeep in 
one
  [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
> Regards, 
> R. P. Reid
Sounds like the OVLR.*No* obstacle allowed to stand between them and the pub....

Mike Rooth

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Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 11:40:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Jon's Steering Relay

Mike suggests:
>I offer this with a certain degree of trepidation,but.....
>Is it at all possible that a PO has had the steering relay
>off,and replaced it upside down?
>Dont shoota da gun..
>Mike Rooth

Mike, thanks for the suggestion, but by the way the relay is constructed
putting it in upside down would be impossible. The way the main housing
is cast the two mounting bolts can only be inserted if it is installed
to line up with the mounting brackets. This is correct on my truck. It
seems to be binding up internaly. 
Some one has had the thing apart before, so probably I will end up
having to tear it apart and put it back together with all the correct
parts.
It presently is missing the top retainer gasket, and from what I can
tell it's also missing the oil seal at the top. Don't know what else?   
WAIT--STOP

I just thought of something, maybe without the gasket it is drawing the
top retainer down too tight, causing it to bind. I'm sure going to try
that.

SO it looks like another Saturday and Sunday are dedicated to Land Rover
Renewal
but then I love it. It keeps me off the streets or chasing immoral
women, but only till next week.
 PS  Don't tell Di.
Thanks a lot
Jon 
PPS Bill, I checked that too, The boss on the top drivers side. It is
not a plug It is a solid casting. I'll figure this out if it kills me.

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Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 09:23:06 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Dormobiles

My only comment is don't worry about the appearance.  Paint is cheap, 
transmissions, engines, and frames aren't.  A vehicle that's been prettied 
up, should have the guts to match.  

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 09:23:00 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: lro & military Land Rovers

I don't subscribe to LRW (yet), but I do enjoy the "Overland" articles in 
LRO.  I'm not very technical, so a magazine full of "here's how you rebuild 
this doo-hickey" articles wouldn't be too interesting to me.  I don't mind 
them, but what would *really* interest me is articles on neat ways people 
have set-up or modified their land rovers.  

As for the military, I like the photos, but I can't get too interested in the 
military; I'm one of those San Francisco ultra-liberals who thinks Barney is 
actually Rush Limbaugh in drag.  Sorry.  Mind you, as long as the military is 
using Rovers, especially modified ones, I think there should be plenty of 
coverage.  (Heck send him over here -- our military seems to think they're 
still at war with someone.)

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Subject: Re: Picking on Land Rovers 
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 09:42:09 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.chinalake.navy.mil>

> The original question is how usable is a Land Rover on the road and is it 
> suited for taking long trips.  SO far I'm the only one saying they are usable 
> on long trips, and even usable on the road.  

 Let's see.  My SIII 88 and I have travel quite a bit around the
coutry.  I've driven it from NJ to Pasadena, CA (2700 miles for the nonUS
folks) or Pasadena to NJ 7 times, taking about 3.5 days each trip.  I've
taken it from Pasadena to Salt Lake City and back (to ski at Alta) and to
Colorado and back (skiing Keystone, Arapahoe Basin, etc) because I'd
rather drive the Rover in the snow than be in the backseat when some
yahoo from California is trying drive on snow in his Camaro with racing
tires. (Luckily I wasn't *stupid* enough to drive with him.  Also, I know
that there are a lot of California folks that can drive in snow, I haven't 
run into to many of them.)

 So I think that they are fine road vehicles.  The only grip is that
the 88 has only enough space for two people and their cargo (and parts, tools,
etc.)  I've done 4, but two of them we small frosh.   If you carry two jerry
cans and stick to 55 mph (and the engine is running well) you can go 300 to
400 miles between gass stations.  So all in all, I think they are fine for
long road trips.  If you want to have creature comforts like a stereo, get a
powerful one.

 Remember, I'm silly enough to be driving every weekend down to 
Pasadena and back (150 miles each way).

Benjamin Smith
bens@archimedes.chinalake.navy.mil
1972 SIII 88
(saving up to get a 109)

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Subject: Re: Hi all and a bumper Question
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 94 09:12:27 -0500

LANDROVER@delphi.com writes:

> Can't say that I ever heard of using the front bumper as a water container
> but it sounds like a neet idea - it certainly is "roveresque"!

        Hmmm, never seen water done.  I have seen the bumper replaced with
        a 1/4" walled steel tube and the tube used as a hydraulic fluid
        resevoir.  An interesting idea.

        Rgds,

        PS.  Yeah the Koenigs are heavy, far to heavy...

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry,            |    Ottawa Valley Land Rovers
Nepean, Ontario, Canada       |    1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean
(OVLR's InterNet site)        |    Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4

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Subject: Re:Fuel consumption
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 94 09:23:46 -0500

"Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> writes:

> diesel                    US$ 0.76/litre
> unleaded regular (93-95)   "  0.97/litre
> unleaded super   (98)      "  1.06/litre
> leaded super (99)          "  1.12/litre

        The numbers in the brackets I presume are the octane levels.  Is
        this the R+M/2 octane level?  If so, you have some pretty potent
        stuff compared to, this particular part of, Canada.  Unleaded
        super is 92 octane here.  Sunoco has their "Ultra" at 94, but
        at a significant premium.   98 or 99 has not been seen for decades,
        (almost)

        Rgds,

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry,            |    Ottawa Valley Land Rovers
Nepean, Ontario, Canada       |    1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean
(OVLR's InterNet site)        |    Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4

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Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 13:44:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Harry Greenspun <hgreensp@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu>
Subject: High-wattage reverse lights, gear oil

  Now that the flaming has subsided regarding us 
yuppie-mudfearing-testosterone deficient-greaseless-mechanic hiring 
RR/D90/Disco owners, I think it's safe to post a question or two.
  I've been tempted to replace the standard reverse lights on my Disco 
for higher wattage ones.  However, the manual has a generic warning about 
replacing any bulb with a brighter one.  Has anyone done this? 
  Second, question:  any recs for synthetic 90W?  I've seen Mobil 1 75W90.
  Thanks.

Harry Greenspun
94 Discovery
"Finally got a new one, now I need an old one."

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: High-wattage reverse lights, gear oil
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 94 14:45:24 EDT

>   Now that the flaming has subsided regarding us 
> yuppie-mudfearing-testosterone deficient-greaseless-mechanic hiring 
  [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> for higher wattage ones.  However, the manual has a generic warning about 
> replacing any bulb with a brighter one.  Has anyone done this? 

......oh, yeah, I forgot about that......all you RR/D90/Disco owners
have those wimpy reverse lights that illuminate the trees you are about
to back into (or maybe just the mercedes in your driveway)......whilst
we *real (wo)men* have mastered the "drive by feel" approach to backing
up in the bush......and should we get a new dent, well, we just don't
give a......

blah,blah,blah,
rd/nigel

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From: "thomas r. coron" <tcoron@s850.mwc.edu>
Subject: anybody out there???
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 15:26:44 EDT

Is it just me, or is there a problem with the list?
Is it my breath??  Something I said??
Sorry.
        Tom

Tom Coron       tcoron@s850.mwc.edu
King George, Va.
'66' IIA 88 RHD

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Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 14:26:18 -0600
From: hiner@mail.utexas.edu (Greg Hiner)
Subject: That popping, semi-backfiring sound

Petrol 2.25 liter - Weber carb-

Not that I'm sure if this is any big deal or not - but when I come off the
gas and I'm going at a good clip there is a lot of what sounds like
backfiring going on at the rear end. Not quite as loud really but a lot of
burbling. Is this normal? It seems that it has been that way for a long
time. Is the carb set up wrong?

And one more thing - what is the best way to fix (I'm crossing my fingers
here that this is not true) a leaking gas tank. I haven't pinned it down
but there might be some very small preforation on the front side somewhere
above the brackets that bolt to the frame. Whatever it is it isn't major. I
checked the top of the tank and all seems to be well there. What about that
two part epoxy plugger stuff (to plug it from the outside) ?

Best-

Greg

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Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest 
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 21:31:20 +0200
From: Paul Nash <paul@tantrum.frcs.alt.za>

> From: "Barry Dudley" <DUDLEY@gate2.cc.unp.ac.za>

> 2) Buy a water pipe (150 mm ID) which is galvanised, screw on
> ends with taps and just weld on atttachments and bolt that to the
> bumper.

I'd be wary of putting too much weight in front.  I recently broke
1 1/2 of my front springs in Zambia, and it wasn't pleasant :-(.
This was with weight mostly in the back -- I didn't even have a 
spare on the nose!

Another potential problem is that you could easily lose your water
supply (or part thereof) if you hit anything.  In a place like 
Botswana I'd rather loose a headlight than 30l of water.

For what it's worth, I use 25l plastic containers (from the local
co-op), which go on the roof when empty, or inside, behind the 
bulkhead, when full.  They're easy to fill, easy to empty, can be
put in the shade, etc. 

All in all, I'd just look for a second-hand bumper -- the rest sounds
like _far_ too much work for too little gain.  Rather put the time 
and effort into rebuilding the axles, stocking up on spares or
making a roof-rack.

After all that, enjoy the trip!  It's the kind of thing that everyone
should have an opportunity to do.  Just don't forget the anti-malarial
drugs (Lariam or nivaquine/paludrine, _NOT_ daraclor!).

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Date: Fri, 28 Oct 94 15:50:39 EDT
From: "The X Window System: A VMS for the 90s" <brandenberg@wrksys.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Re: That popping, semi-backfiring sound

>Not that I'm sure if this is any big deal or not - but when I come off the
>gas and I'm going at a good clip there is a lot of what sounds like
>backfiring going on at the rear end. Not quite as loud really but a lot of
>burbling. Is this normal? It seems that it has been that way for a long
>time. Is the carb set up wrong?

There's no decel shutoff on the basic Weber carb (assuming 34ICH, here)
so if you're moving at speed and let off the throttle you pull a very
nice vacuum in the manifold which dumps plenty of fuel into the
engine giving you a nice burbly, carbonaceous exhaust.  If you're
running it rich, it just gets worse.  Deceleration shutoff valves were
one of the first pollution control measures implemented for 
carburettors.  To reduce the effect, use the clutch when you get
off of the gas to allow the engine to drop to idle speed quickly.

monty

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Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 16:40:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: High-wattage reverse lights, gear oil

Russell, don't you know that it is enviromentaly unkind to throw
gasoline on smouldering embers. You naughty chap.
Tsk, Tsk,

>>   Now that the flaming has subsided regarding us 
>> yuppie-mudfearing-testosterone deficient-greaseless-mechanic hiring 
>> RR/D90/Disco owners, I think it's safe to post a question or two.

>......oh, yeah, I forgot about that......all you RR/D90/Disco owners
>have those wimpy reverse lights that illuminate the trees you are about
  [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>up in the bush......and should we get a new dent, well, we just don't
>give a......

blah,blah, and more blah
Have a nice fire
later
Jon                                

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From: Morgan Hannaford <morgan@nature.Berkeley.EDU>
Subject: Re: OFFICIALLY-UNOFFICIAL TRIP (fwd)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 13:49:50 -0700 (PDT)

Forwarded message:
>From bens@parcival.chinalake.navy.mil Fri Oct 28 11:39:06 1994
X-Authentication-Warning: parcival.chinalake.navy.mil: Host [127.0.0.1] didn't 
use HELO protocol
Subject: Re: OFFICIALLY-UNOFFICIAL TRIP 
In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 27 Oct 1994 20:00:33 PDT."
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 11:36:56 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.chinalake.navy.mil>

> So,  it looks as though a spring dirt fest is being tossed around
> as a No.Cal. netters get together.  Mendocino National Forest seems
  [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> reservations depending on how many vehicles are interested.  Something
> Give an e-mail if your interested-

 Tell give me hard dates and locations and I'll show up.  If anyone
wants to do some driving on the east side of the Rockies, give me a call

Benjamin Smith
Science Applications Internation Corp
UNIX system support for China Lake Naval Air Weapons Center
bens@archimedes.chinalake.navy.mil 

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From: "Barry Dudley" <DUDLEY@gate2.cc.unp.ac.za>
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 14:36:19 +200
Subject: MY FIRST TIME REALLY STUCK IN A LR

Hello netters,
          
I took my two dogs in the LR for a walk along a local river,
which had recently been drained and dredged.  Parked the LR on
what "appeared" dry sand next to the river and walked away to
watch the sun set....
On my return found that it had sunk in a little, so engaged 4WD,
put some sticks under the wheels and tried to drive her out.
WRONG - did not work, wheels just spun round.  Offers of
assistance were turned down as i would just use the hi-lift, dig
a little round the wheels, put logs under it and drive away.
WRONG - It is now dark and call in a "4WD team" - dug out the
wheels, got railway sleepers under them and a pull from a land
cruiser but to no avail (did move 2M!).
Finally - it has now been 7 hrs and we give in - call the AA who
use a single truck to pull LR out.
WRONG - called up a 2nd truck and with both finally got her out! 
Other than a very bruised EGO, a lighter wallet and lot's of mud
everywhere no damage was done at all. 

WHAT CAN WE LEARN FROM THIS - Do not take any situation lightly
-treat it as if you are on a CAMEL trip; do not try drive out
until you are damm sure it will work or you dig your self in
deeper and accept all offers of assistance!

"Wiser at the end of a long day"
      
           Barry Dudley

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Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 07:36:15 -0400
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Jon's Steering Relay

Jon Writes:     

none
Hey Bill, You were asking about the steering relay. Yea I did get the
top arm loose, just as you said. I took out the 4 bolts that hold the
top retaining plate. Then I checked each hole and "not one" was drilled
or bored all the way through, they were all blind flat bottom threaded
holes. So I cleaned up the sealing permatex or whatever that some one
had used to try to make up for the missing gasket and oiled it as best I
could. 
It worked pretty good but it's still binding up occasionaly. You aren't
going to believe this but I think the temperature affects it. When it
gets above 60 degrees it seems to bind more. Like in the morning when
it's cold it is free as hell. I park it at work and go out at five and
it's bound up again. I know you think I'm nuts but I've been mechanikin
for 26.7325 years now and I ain't never seen nuttin lik dis.
I'll live with it for awhile till it gets to be too much cause it's
colder now and it's acting a lot looser.
none

Has anyone else found a relay where the top plate securing bolt holes were 
not drilled through?  I have found that either all or at least the side holes 
were, but Jon is finding that they are all blind.  My first thought is that 
the shaft thrust washer or bush is flush up against the holes, but I haven't 
rebuilt one myself.  Oh, Jon's relay does not have the shaft drilled and 
tapped and he does keep his steering box and swivel housings full.

Bill

maloney@wings.attmail.com

(I finally got a message with a usable return address)

OOPS!  Jon, does your relay have another screw in the side of the housing at 
the top where the raised boss is (LH-Drivers side)?  Yes, I know, I didn't 
mention this the first time (and I didn't look at the Mid Atlantic Meet).  
I can't say I've ever laid eyes on one but I have seen it set up this way in 
the manual).  Have a look if you brought it to work.  Oh, did you try pulling 
the bottom bolt (LH Drivers side) to see if anything drains out?

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Subject: I have moved
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 14:42:56 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.chinalake.navy.mil>

  Well, I have finally set up shop in California.  For those of you who
want to find me, my snailmail address is

269 E. Upjohn
Ridgecrest, CA 93555
(619)-375-3011

-Benjamin Smith
----------------
 Science Applications Internation Corporation
 bens@archimedes.chinalake.navy.mil
 bens@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us
 1972 Land Rover Series III 88

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: That popping, semi-backfiring sound
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 94 18:08:20 EDT

Greg Hiner asks:
> Petrol 2.25 liter - Weber carb-
> Not that I'm sure if this is any big deal or not - but when I come off the
  [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> burbling. Is this normal? It seems that it has been that way for a long
> time. Is the carb set up wrong?

Nigel doesn't actually backfire under these circumstances, but he does
tend to gurgle a bit....a few misfires, actually.  I attribute this to
either carburation (a rochester I've yet to open), slop in the valve
timing (although when I visited my timing chain awhile back all seemed
tight), or distributor slop (even though at just off idle the timing
marks seem *relatively* stable when viewed with a light).

This problem (and my solution) are not at all unlike that which I have
with my two stroke twin ('79 Yamaha RD400F, in pristine condition that
only fell over once and has otherwise never been off two wheels except
for when only riding on one by intention).  It (no name nor gender)
*hates* to run at constant speed or slow down-otherwise it bucks and
sputters like all hell......so alls I do is keep the throttle open!

> And one more thing - what is the best way to fix (I'm crossing my fingers
> here that this is not true) a leaking gas tank. I haven't pinned it down
  [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> checked the top of the tank and all seems to be well there. What about that
> two part epoxy plugger stuff (to plug it from the outside) ?

The stuff you are referring to is "JB-weld".  It is amazing stuff.  I've
repaired (or seen repaired) gastanks, radiators (I fixed a 12" blown
seam in a radiator on a Dart I once had and nearly blew up), crankcases,
cylinder heads (yes!-fixed the head on the '39 ford 9N ten plus years 
ago and it is still holding...granted it only sees about a 3:1 compression
ratio), and more.  Surely the more puritan members of this list may
disagree, and tell you to remove the tank, wash it generously with
mineral spirits, let it completely dry out in the hot sun (which you do
still have down there), then have it welded (ie do the job *right*), 
but hey-you've only got the weekend and you'd like to enjoy it.  Get
some JB weld and schibe the thing.  Then grab a cold frosty and go
see "mr feel good".

rd/nigel

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Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 16:15:21 -0700
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Intro with Anecdote(s)

Hank Lapa wrote:
>     Don't Wander, Rove PURPOSEFULLY!
none

I say, if not wander, why rove? (But, of course, tread lightly...)
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) Appraiser, R/W Agent, LR aficionado ]
[ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ]

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Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 16:15:07 -0700
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: OHV Parks and Trips

Eric Cope writes:

>Toss my hat into the ring for a springtime northern california Landrover
>gaggle. We're located in Angels Camp, Ca. out in the Sierra foothills.... a
  [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>Eric Cope................. '64 SWB Regular w/ 2 1/4 petrol
>                           '67 LWB StationWagon w/ NADA 6-cyl
Cool, who'da thunk someone from a bitchin' place like Angels Camp would come 
looking for four-wheeling spots in Mendocino NF? 

This is beginning to sound like Much Fun.
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[ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) Appraiser, R/W Agent, LR aficionado ]
[ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ]

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Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 16:15:47 -0700
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: OFFICIALLY-UNOFFICIAL TRIP

Morgan Hannaford writes:

>So,  it looks as though a spring dirt fest is being tossed around
>as a No.Cal. netters get together.  Mendocino National Forest seems
  [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>me (Morgan H.).  I'm sure other extended bay area folks will be 
>interested, even the "e-mail challenged".

Yes, I think I can round up several here in Mendocino County, as well as 
John Kirn, Lynn Helm, Domingos Dias (Camel 110), and probably a few of the 
farther flung of the "sniveller" group (as Cap'n Camo, aka Gordon Kallio) 
likes to call 'em...  Maybe, Morgan, you and I and a couple of other locals 
could go sooner and scout the route.  I've been on parts of it but need to 
see some other parts and check out the trails which branch off into the 
boonies.  I have heard that there is a particularly high-pucker-factor trail 
from Howard Lake to Anthony Peak which we should definitely check out.  And 
we should run some of the trails at the off-road use area at Middle Creek.  
Interested?  If I can't take my Rover, I could ride with you or one of the 
locals.

>How about we shoot for March 1995.  This will give time to tell people
>not on the net, get trucks in tip-top shape, and maybe make some
  [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>so vehicles could locate the party at any time over the weekend.
>We can pick the actual date later on depending on individual schedules.

Well, yeah, March would be great, as far as I am concerned, but if so, 
everyone would need to be equipped with adequate recovery gear (I promise to 
mount my new 12,000# winch) and be prepared for camping in heavy rain and/or 
snow (I like it).  On the previous trip that I mentioned (with the 
snivellers), we got snowed on pretty thoroughly, at Plaskett Meadows (6,000 
feet), on the 28th of May!  It can happen. I loved it; not everyone did...  
Also a distinct possibility that many routes will not be open by March 
(although if like 1994, they probably would be).  Hey, I don't mind 
"opening" a few...  On the otherhand, Memorial Day weekend, when we had the 
other trip, conflicts with too many other events, so I would prefer sooner 
than that (that conflict was what mainly killed a repeat the next year).

>I'm excited already!  A nice change from parking the truck on the lawn
>at a British car meet. 

Hear, hear!
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[ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) Appraiser, R/W Agent, LR aficionado ]
[ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ]

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Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 16:16:00 -0700
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Land Rovers

Keith, of Arkansas, writes;

>My SO and I have been looking at jeeps.  Living in Arkansas with all those
>national forest roads and having our love for camping creates such insane
  [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>wandering about in the woods!  And, it may be loud, uncomfortable, slow, etc.
>But can it be any worse than a Baja Bug with a zero to 70 time of 50 seconds?

About right; the acceleration of a Land-Rover 88, four-cylinder, has been 
compared semi-favorably with that of a loaded gravel truck.  But you're 
right: It is a wonderful way to wander the woods.  I have done a lot of 
wandering the woods in stock VWs, a "Baja" VW (1953), many different kinds 
of 4x4s, and in Land-Rovers beyond count.  The only thing I'd take over an 
old Land-Rover is--maybe, only maybe--a new Land-Rover (U.S.-spec Defender 
90, that is), although I wouldn't mind trying it, just once, in a Mercedes 
Unimog or in a Steyr-Daimler-Puch Pinzgauer...

Sounds to me as if you have been smitten...
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[ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) Appraiser, R/W Agent, LR aficionado ]
[ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ]

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Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 16:18:25 -0700
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Land-Rovers (still)

Daryl Webb writes:

>Like Granville its >Lurk-mode off for me to defend the honour of our beloved
>Land-rover no less.  Looks like TerriAnn needs all the help she can get!
  [ truncated by lro-digester (was 27 lines)]
>think Mark's 4x4  (OZ)  makes an adapter.  (The address has been posted on
>LRO@team.net, but I could find it if you have lots of time :-) 
>A Champ ??  You are a sick puppy arent you.....  :-)

Yes... I... am...

>Go on TerriAnn throw Ray to the Crazy Canucks on LRO.  Though for his sake
>perhaps you'd better conceal his identity!

She did, she did.  Heh, heh... 8~{>

I love Land-Rovers (a lot) but the old four-cylinder, leaf-sprung ones are 
not my choice for driving long distances, probably partly because She Who 
Must Be Obeyed would refuse to come... Hmmm, maybe they ARE a good choice... ;*>
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[ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) Appraiser, R/W Agent, LR aficionado ]
[ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ]

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Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 02:34:43 +0200 (METDST)
From: S|ren Vels Christensen <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
Subject: Re: Intro with Anecdote(s)

Welcome Hank! (and hi netters).

On Thu, 27 Oct 1994, Lapa, Hank wrote:

[snip]

>      Anyway, up here in the DC area, a place that does sandblasting and 
>      powder-coating for me told me a few years back that they had a L-R 
  [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>      you shouldn't be driving a Land-Rover (no offense indeed to the many 
>      very fine ladies of fortitude who also own and drive the legend.)

[schnipp]      
      
I vaguely remember a music video showing a 90" driving around and wading
across a river. Also the camera "accidentally" caught the logo they put
on the side of the grille nowadays. Could this be a Billy Joel video?? 

>      Don't Wander, Rove PURPOSEFULLY!
>      With best regards,
>      Hank
>                 * * * * * * * * * * * * *

+----------------------------+--------------------------------+
| Soren Vels                 | 1976  sIII  109"   2.25 petrol |
| velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk     | "Lawrence of Arabia"           |    ((|||))
| Royal Danish Air Force     | Dansk Land-Rover Klub no. 3564 |   ((|||))
| Communications Specialist  | DL-RK: Approx. 1000 members.   |    ((|||))
+----------------------------+--------------------------------+__((|||))______

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 02:12:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: That popping, semi-backfiring sound

Greg ponders....

> And one more thing - what is the best way to fix (I'm crossing my fingers
> here that this is not true) a leaking gas tank. I haven't pinned it down
> but there might be some very small preforation on the front side somewhere
> above the brackets that bolt to the frame. Whatever it is it isn't major.

Tell you what I've seen here in NY (the land of eternal rust). There is a
outer "shell" around the lower half of the front, bottom and rear or the
tank. It's a thicker metal than the tank, so I suppose it protects the
underside from wayward rocks and tree stumps. Over time, moisture, dirt and
what-have-you gets in between the shell and the tank and the resulting
corrosion causes pinholes. If that is the case, short of seperating the tank
from the shell, you probably can't fix it from the outside.
However, you can get a goop that you pour inside the tank to seal it. The
good stuff is a two-step process. The first step cleans the metal, the
second step seals it up. You can get this stuff through J.C.Whitney. The
only problem is that if you have any rust left, or if the corrosion
continues, it will probably leak again. (Mine lasted about a year!)
There are also companies that specialize in re-sealing fuel tanks. Try the
yellow pages.
Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern)

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 02:12:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: High-wattage reverse lights, gear oi

Harry sez...

>   I've been tempted to replace the standard reverse lights on my Disco 
> for higher wattage ones.  However, the manual has a generic warning about 
> replacing any bulb with a brighter one.  Has anyone done this? 

The generic warning is probably due to:
1. The demon Joe Lucas
 -or-
B. The fear of melting the plastic housings.   :)

As an alternative, you could check out your local Central Tractor (or
whatever similar agricultural store) and pick up a tractor flood light.
Mount the bugger up high on the back somewhere. Tons of light!

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern)       

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From: John Hong/C/HQ/3Com <John_Hong@3mail.3Com.COM>
Date: 29 Oct 94  4:32:29 EDT
Subject: re: save The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Different S-word than save!   F-word TOO!    Sorry folks!   I'm pretty sure 
I've pulled a dumb one and accidentally sent the list back to the 
list...grrrrrrr...I was real interested in this one and just wanting to change 
the title but DOOOHHH! 

Carb advice was very interesting as I am currently running way too rich - I'll 
be checking my float bowl level and timing tomorrow.    Fair amount of folks 
hang behind me for a while and then change lanes - I seem to be keeping pace 
with traffic - so I think it is fumes not slowness...I haven't topped up my 
rear diff in a while so I don't think it is that blowing gear lube - great 
anti-tailgating method actually.

The big problem du jour is zero clutch pressure - we'll see what is up tomorrow 
- I guess I could just drive only in 2nd gear? (yes fluid level is topped up) - 
ahhhhhh - I have not had a good long session on my back under the one I love 
for a long time...

Re: the Northern Cal trip - Morgan/Granville, et al - I'm game! - hope the 
beast is beat into shape by then...

John

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From: BwanaE@aol.com
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 12:11:05 -0400
Subject: the rockies?

Ben,  I think it's time for you to switch back to caffienated coffee....
unless the Navy has taken a "silly pill" and moved it's China Lake station, I
think it's still located east of those pointy things we Californians call the
Sierra Nevada Mountains! Sorry couldn't resist.

On a different note entirely, my family and I frequently rove in Death
Valley, Barstow,Afton Canyon etc. somewhat in your neck of the woods. Our
next scheduled outing is April 8-14 (the kid's Easter vacation) when we plan
to drive the "Mojave Road" (see the last issue of Aluminum Workhorse for a
great article on same by Capt.Camo). You are certainly invited to join us...
let me know. 

Eric Cope       209/ 736-9279 home
                     bwanae@aol.com
                     64 RHD SWB (beater)
                     67 LWB, NADA 6 cyl (cherry!)

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Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:03:02 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Disco? UK Net Provider? Mohawk? Etc.

A couple of miscellaneous ramblings....   Got my e-mail package working again 
(don't pick up the phone while it's updating, Roger) to find over 150 
messages (only 3 days!)  Anyway, here's some misc. thoughts...

Did someone in San Francisco just get a green Disco?  One has shown up 2 
blocks from my parents' house, and just thought I'd ask.  It sure is nice.

Those of you in UK, Can you recommend a good (affordable) internet provider? 
 My sister is going over in january for a semester or so, and we'd all like 
to be able to keep in touch.  She's going to be in the Oxfordshire area.

Also, If anyone knows of a used Land Rover (pre-67) in good working condition 
for sale over there (near Oxfordshire), please let me know.  She is likely to 
want a vehicle, and maybe she could bring it home for me when she gets back.

And someone reported seeing a tour company (Mohawk something) Land Rover 
tooling down the highway here in the bay area.  Anyone know about this 
company?

That's all for now.  Thanks in advance!

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:02:56 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Hollister Hills & So. Cal. LROs?

> we would like to go out with others that don't mind a few scratches or 
> breaking out the wench.

I *do* hope you mean *winch*!  <g>

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:03:08 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Tootsie Toy Land-Rover Poetry

I have a white 109"
I happen to think it's just fine.
But my friends and my kin,
Just giggle and grin,
And claim that it's Scotty's not mine.

I have a blue 88"
I happen to think that it's great.
Now my girlfriend concurs,
And claims that it's hers,
And says that my brother's too late.

My Rovers like Concord the best
The City is just too far west
Scotty's more fun,
That sun of a gun,
So that's where they go for a rest.

There's quite a wide variety
Assembled with staunch propriety
Of Rovers so small
On a shelf in the hall
To show my place and my piety.

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:04:07 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: To Lead or Unlead

>Those readers of this list on the far side of the Puddle
>might be interested in the latest findings of our ever
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 17 lines)]
>I shall spend on cigarettes,which I shall continue to smoke,
>with great enjoyment,only in increased quantities.

[...]

Let me say that No matter what we do, the earth will continue to exist long 
after we're dead and gone.  (Unless we blow it up completely, like Minerva.) 
 Scars will heal, plant life will return, etc.  As someone said, maybe the 
only reason we exist is because the earth needed plastic, and couldn't make 
it itself.  Our sh*t is as much a part of nature as a cow's or an owl's.  

Whatever we (the so-called "civilized" nations) do to "save the earth (which 
does *not* need saving -- it's quite capable of taking care of itself), is 
fairly moot because there are a *lot* of countries where simple survival far 
outweighs any concept of environmentalism.

With that out of the way, I am a strong believer in cleaning up the 
environment -- *my* environment.  I don't worry about the earth, I worry 
about me.  I don't want to die of cancer, or overexposure to the sun.  I 
don't like the smell of cigarettes, or of car exhaust, and I like the sky to 
be blue, not brown.  I don't like the smell of the local dump, so I try to 
send as little garbage to it as possible.  

I take the bus to work because I don't like sitting in traffic, I don't want 
to add to the clouds of smog, and I prefer to spend my time reading rather 
than driving.  I use a re-usable mug for my hot cocoa, rather than a throwawy 
paper cup.  Not only does it mean less garbage, it means I don't burn my hand 
holding the thing.  

Unfortunately, there is *nowhere* in this country, where you can safely drink 
directly from a river or stream.  There are very few places as beautiful as 
Yosemite or Banff where you can go without seeing a huge hotel (or 2 or 3 or 
12) stuck right in the middle.  There are days when it's not safe to go 
outside and breath.  Too bad the same air goes inside buildings, but even if 
it didn't, who wants to spend their lives indoors all the time?  

Sure, right in the middle of that big desert might be a great place to build 
a house, but what about when a million more people join you, and there is no 
more desert or forest or beach or whatever?  What will you say when your kid 
asks you "why is the sky brown?", not knowing that it was once blue.  How 
about when your kid says "what are stars?" having never seen any, since 
they've all been drowned out by the lights from the freeways and office 
towers.

What I worry about is not saving the earth, but saving the humans.  This 
human in particular.  For the most part, the things we can all do about this 
are little, easy things that are well worth the results.

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:04:15 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Jon & Di in Pittsburgh

[misc. royal lust deleted]

>More Baloney from Maloney
>maloney@wings.attmail.com
none

Um, I hate to bring this up at a time like this, but we *did* have us a 
little skirmish about 200 years ago to kick the bloody brits *out*.  It's bad 
enough we drive their cars, listen to their music, and watch their comedy, 
but now we want their women too???   Come on guys!

Besides, I like aussie women better...  <8^b

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 13:19:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: KAHLA GENTRY <KGENTRY@UTKVX.UTCC.UTK.EDU>

Subscribe LRO Kahla Gentry "KGENTRY@utkvx.utk.edu"

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Date:         Sat, 29 Oct 94 15:37:55 EDT
From: Brian Willoughby <BAWILL01@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Solex and Rochester Carbs

For anyone who does not know of me, I own a 1960 Series II Short Wheelbase
Station Wagon.  At some point prior to my acquiring of this vehicle, a PO
installed one of those Rochester conversions that Atlantic British used to
offer.  I like the added performance that this huge carb provides, which I
attribute to the way petrol flows out of its jet like water over  Niagra Falls.
However, I have been told that these carbs can, in time, damage the engine by
making it continually run too rich.  It creates a lot of horsepower, though
the torque is way down as opposed to the standard set-up.  I am in the process
of restoring this car to as original as possible condition and would like to
reinstall the old Solex.  (Fortunately, I found it in a box in the back after
buying the L-R.)  I worry about the lack of parts for these long obsolete carbs

and have thought about replacing the Rochester with a later Zenith.  This would
maintain the originality to a degree, though a good deal of people seem to hate
these carbs, too.  What about the Webers?  Are they reliable?  I've heard of
MGB's that had them installed and ran horribly afterwards.  Any solutions for
this predicament would be appreciated.  Oh, I heard that the Rochesters can be
re-jetted so that the mixture will be correct.  Anybody know of that?  Thanks
in advance.

Brian Willoughby
bawill01@ukcc.uky.edu

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Date: 29 Oct 94 21:37:00 EDT
From: "Stephen O'Hearn" <72700.3262@compuserve.com>
Subject: High-wattage reverse lights

Harry Greenspun writes:

>   Now that the flaming has subsided regarding us 
> yuppie-mudfearing-testosterone deficient-greaseless-mechanic hiring 
> RR/D90/Disco owners, I think it's safe to post a question or two.
>   I've been tempted to replace the standard reverse lights on my Disco 
> for higher wattage ones.  However, the manual has a generic warning about 

> replacing any bulb with a brighter one.  Has anyone done this? 

One of the benefits of "progress" and an example of the "new" surpassing
the "old" is halogen lighting. I suggest you see if one of the halogen
backup light replacements can be used in place of the stock incandescent
bulb. I used a pair of these on my previous 4WD for several years without
incident even though they were 50w lights. Plastic housings (which don't
rust) are unlikely to be affected by the short periods spent in reverse.
Afterall, we are "forward thinkers," n'est ce pas? The only drawback to
these lights is they seem to be available in limited types so I fear you
(and I) may be out of luck (as I would like a set for my personal yuppie
conveyance alias Defender 90). But I will give you a lead on a source for
these examples of modern (well, sort of modern) technology (the lights
that is, as for the Land Rovers I hear that Solihull is developing an
electrostatic field which repels dirt and grease, oh boy! Progress!). It
is fine establishment which caters to yuppies:

Beverly Hills Motoring Accessories
200 South Robertson Blvd.
Beverly Hills, CA 90211            <---------- Almost 90210!

(310) 657-4800
(800) 421-0911
M-F 9-7, Sat 9-6

Item: 50w halogen backup bulbs, $24.95 pair

Treading Daintily...

Stephen O'Hearn
'94 Defender 90

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