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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 02:38:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Mid-Atlantic Rallye

Been there, seen it, got the T-shirt. You know, I never realized until I got
home that the T-shirt says "Rallye, Meet, BBQ and Storm". Well folks, it was
all of that and more.
I had a great time, even if I couldn't bring my Rover. Hat's off to Sandy
and all the folks in the ROAV for putting on a first-rate get-together.
There was something for everyone, including some fine off-roading that
wasn't on the official list of events. There is something about that
Virginia red clay and a little water. Great mud!
Lot's of folks from all over with all kinds of interesting Rovers. One of
you guys who knows how to write probably tallied it all up but I think there
were around 60 trucks - including an incredible 80 inch RHD Ser I. No,no, it
wasn't restored and shiney but it ran and preformed flawlessly and did a
much better demonstration of what a Land-Rover should be than any of the
Disco's or Defenders did. The owner say's it's for sale too - but why he
would want to sell it is beyond me.
Some fellow netters were there - possibly some future ones too.
Oh, Dixon... thought you were going to go?? OK, so it *was* the Canadian
Thanksgiving holiday but Tom, Brett and Dave from Toronto showed up. :)
Ben (of Bill and Ben go up a creek fame) was there and proved he could do
some real off-roading. Bill Maloney was there too.  
Thats all from me. 
Oh.. Sandy.. let's do this again next year..   :)
Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern)       

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 03:11:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Flashing Rover Things

Here we go again... 

> >> Would any of you be (or know) an owner of an early U.S. Disco? By
early, I
> >> meanpurchased in April or possibly May. If so, do the parking lights
none
flash
> >> (three times) when you lock the vehicle?... I realize the triviality of
> > this, 
none

And then we added our humorous comments...

So.. While at the Mid-Atlantic Rallye, I had the chance to pose this
question to a Disco owner. (Does John Travolta own a disco?)
Really, I had nothing better to do and here was this bloke and his lady
sitting on the back end with the door open, eating something so I walked up
and asked if thier lights flashed three times. They gave me this look.. you
know, like I'm the four-wheeler from hell (OK, I was a *bit* mud spattered),
and then the gentleman says "well, yes" and proceeds to demonstrate. Sure
enough, they flash. We stood around and chewed the fat for a while longer
and all of a sudden, the dome lite in the Disco dims out. Lucas strikes
again? Nope, they planned it that way. Ye Gods. With all this techo-whatsis,
how do you tell if the bloody thing works correctly??

I give up.

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern)       

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Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 10:06:33 --100
From: ketil@tvnorge.no (Ketil Kirkerud)
Subject: Re: Rovers-TV and Things

 > From: rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com ( ROY CALDWELL )

 > I am close to putting the head back on my 69 21/4.  When
 > I took it apart, like a good boy,  all of the head bolts
 > went in a piece of cardboard in the location they came
 > from.  However one of my fine black felines decided that
 > that cardboard served a better pourpose on the floor.
 > Now the bolts are mixed up and of differnt lengths.  I can't
 > find a ref. as to which goes where.  Help!!

Shouldn't be too much of a problem ? There are three lengths :

The shortest ones go on the right hand side of the engine (by the spark-plugs)
The long ones go through the "legs" of the rocker-arm assembly, the
rest, well... Go where there's space for them. The most important thing
to get back in original position are the pushrods, these should be
put in a piece of cardboard for safekeeping.. (If you're keeping
the old lifters/rocker-arms/pushrods, that is).

---Ketil

--------------------------------------------------------
Ketil Kirkerud			Lillebil
TVNorge A/S			1979 109" Petrol SW.
	

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Mid-Atlantic Rallye
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 94 8:56:45 EDT

Mike Lo-hangin-dice writes:
> Oh, Dixon... thought you were going to go?? OK, so it *was* the Canadian
> Thanksgiving holiday but Tom, Brett and Dave from Toronto showed up. :)
> Ben (of Bill and Ben go up a creek fame) was there and proved he could do
> some real off-roading. Bill Maloney was there too.  

Boy, now I don't feel so bad (as I didn't quite make the trip either).
My excuse(s)?  Well, the following are true statements:
a) I had to move
b) the li'l woman was helping me (and she came from Boston to do so)
c) Nigel wanted to go
d) we were in peak foliage season
e) browns are running on the esopus
f) Dixon told me he was going.

The following are false statements:
a) I didn't want to go
b) I didn't want my Tee (is it still available?)
c) I hate BBQ chicken
d) I had monday off
e) Dixon told me he wasn't going

Dixon??  Oh, Dixon............?  CAN we (both) say W - I - M - P?

rd/nigel (he's pissed at me!)

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Oil pressure
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 94 9:08:00 EDT

DJP writes:
> starves for oil.  Mine is always quiet except on start up when I get valve
> noise for about 5 seconds.  For peace of mind have a mechanic put a

Does anyone know if there are spin-on oil filters available for LRs that
have the small rubber one-way valve attached to them (like BMWs...sorry
folks) that keep the oil in the filter when the motor is off and thereby
prevent the "no oil in the system at startup" phenonmenon from occurring?
They work great.

just wondering,
rd/nigel

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Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 11:01:03 EDT
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: Mid-Atlantic Rally

Back from the rally now, and I hope all of you 'Netters had a good time.
(One hell of a lot of work...and by just three people, mind you...went into
it).  Though I have known Bill Maloney for years, it was good to meet the
other faces behind the sig-blocks: Jeff Berg, Ben Smith, Russ Burns, Jon
Humphrey, Keith Steele, Andrew Steele (surely you guys are related
somewhere) and .... (am I forgetting anyone? It was a hectic weekend for
me.)  Several others 'netters sent their regards/regrets with suitable
excuses...but where was Dixon?!?  A goodly contingent from OVLR did make it
down (attracted no doubt by the free beer, incidentally a keg of tasty dark
ale and one of pilsner from "Legendary Brewing"), but Mr. Kenner and his
Saab were not to be found.

The rally had 86 registered Rover vehicles, plus a few more from the
dealership/LRNA and one chap with a double score who towed in a IIa 109
behind his Range Rover, so there were probably 95+ Rovers on site (not
counting Mike's significant parts car fleet).  I'll leave a description of
the event to the other folks.  Despite the fact that we were dealing with a
large group of Rover owners (some of the most independent-thinking folks on
the face of the earth) everything went off on schedule...including the
promised rain storm.

The Highs and the Lows: We already know about Sunday lunch.  As the rally
was really out in the sticks away from convenience stores/fast food
restaurants/civilization in general, we catered the meals.  While the
Saturday BBQ was great, the Sunday lunch and dinner (done by the next door
neighbor lady) were questionable.  Obviously out of her depth, it won't
happen again.

The sounds of the bluegrass band wafting across the fields Saturday evening
were most pleasant, while the teeter-totter on Sunday was a real crowd
pleaser...and I hope you all had fun on the poker run/road rally (the
directions were spot-on, so if you had trouble, consider yourself
geographically-challenged).  For those not familiar with a poker run,
particiapnts are given a route card of instructions, picking up cards from
separate decks at each stop.  (The winner had a queen-high straight flush!)
 And I think Ben Smith had fun fetching all of those Range Rovers out of
the mud bog with his 88.  (There for a while, we were accumulating a
sizeable pile of RR air dams and bumper end caps.) It was interesting to
note that the fastest time through the trials course was also in the oldest
vehicle...an SI 80".

For those of you who wanted event T-shirts (and these are truly spectacular
w/ a six color image), we have a *FEW* left. XL and XXL only.  $15 plus
another $2 for postage.  To make it fair, first postmarked letters received
within a week's time will get 'em.  Other checks will be returned.

If you have some other (constructive) thoughts, contact me directly to save
bandwidth space; we are already planning next year's event.  As the
insurance floater (obtained and contributed by LRNA at significant cost)
runs for a callendar year, the rally will probably be one week earlier so's
we can get two year's coverage for the price of one.

If any of you have some good photos...I'd like to have a copy....I didn't
have time to take a single one.  I'll also try to get out a special edition
of "The Gearbox" sometime soon.  Also, look for a feature in LRO, as Jim
Allen (the "Stateside Beat" columnist) was taking photos/notes throughout.

    *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----*
    |                                                      |
    |  Sandy Grice,  Rover Owners' Association of Virginia |
    |  E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com   FAX: 804-622-7056     |
    |  Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days)  804-423-4898 (Evenings) |
    |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA   |
    *------------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Tue, 11 Oct 94 10:26:07 PDT
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re:  Disco Fuel Economy better than expected!

That's pretty good -- I get about the same on the highway but only 12-15 
in mixed driving in my RR with the same engine.

John Brabyn
89RR

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Date: Tue, 11 Oct 94 10:39:37 PDT
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re: Oil pressure and synthetic oil

Yes from my experience if any warning light comes on, it's at least a 50%
chance it's the sensor at fault, due to the electrical excellence of our
friends at Lucas Industries.

John Brabyn
Mill Valley
California
89RR

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Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 19:47:26 +0200 (METDST)
From: S|ren Vels Christensen <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
Subject: Dark (Re: Flashing) Rover Things

On Thu, 6 Oct 1994, Russell G. Dushin wrote:

> > Steven asks:     
> > Would any of you be (or know) an owner of an early U.S. Disco? By early, I 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 29 lines)]
> little ahead of his time.
> rd/nigel

About a week ago i was about to leave from a night shift and go home. 
When i turned the key the cabin was illuminated from the fusebox. I used up
my two spare 35A fuses. When i started the exhaust broke right in front of 
the silencer. So i had to drive home without indicators and brakelights and
announcing my coming at 110db. A G-III was taking off and i couldn't hear it.

Two days later i found out that the brake light circuit was burning the fuse.
And also i fixed the hazard light by accident  :-o

New silencer and rear pipe: Kr. 167.- (about 20 pounds incl. VAT). I can live
with that. But i havent yet found the fault in the brake lights. I have some
time to do that because my brother had knee surgery when Lawrence failed. I'm
borrowing his '73 88" until he's ready to drive again :-)

later

+----------------------------+--------------------------------+
| Soren Vels                 | 1976  sIII  109"   2.25 petrol |
| velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk     | "Lawrence of Arabia"           |    ((|||))
| Royal Danish Air Force     | Dansk Land-Rover Klub no. 3564 |   ((|||))
| Communications Specialist  | DL-RK: Approx. 1000 members.   |    ((|||))
+----------------------------+--------------------------------+__((|||))______

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Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 14:47:04 EDT
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: Rally redux

In an earlier posting, I neglected to mention Mike Loiodice who stepped in
for the indefatigable Steve Denis, who otherwise, could not attend.  Mike,
along with Robert Davis, were our tough and surly "scrutineers". Rumor has
it though that many a "quick-fix" (a suitably-chilled six of malt beverage
presented to the officials) was accomplished in the inspection line.
Thanks again, Mike.

    *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----*
    |                                                      |
    |  Sandy Grice,  Rover Owners' Association of Virginia |
    |  E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com       FAX: 804-622-7056 |
    |  Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days)  804-423-4898 (Evenings) |
    |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA   |
    *------------------------------------------------------*

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Mid alantic rally
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 94 12:20:11 PDT

Well, I thought I was going to meet the great land-rover mud god 
Dixon.... One of the Canadian blokes mentioned that Dixon was
going to drive down in his S.O.B.. Now I figured that S.O.B was the
name of a rover. But now it seems S.O.B. was really Saab one
of them Swedish meat-ball things. Tell me it ain't so.......

The mudhole on the course wasn't that bad, one had to try
to get stuck in it. I did deposit one of the bumper caps there, 
making it a matched set. (I lost the other side a year ago)
Unfortunately I missed the mud excursions with the fellows
from north of the border. It seems there was a good mud bog
in the area, and the folks were doing their best to keep it
filled with recycled beer. 

Well it was a fun time, sorry the rest of you couldn't make it
and thanks to Sandy, and his two other helpers for a good
show.

Russ

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: scratchy notepad
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 94 19:32:52 EDT

Folks-

OK, so last sunday night me turns on the tube and searches
for the archeology show.  Once again I tune in late (this
one is on Cambodia-diggin' up ruins in the midst of fourteen
year olds with guns and attitudes to match)....but alas,
in the closing shots, there is some imposter posing in a 
land rover-gotta be Sandy Grice's!  Nice fresh blue SIII
88 with a sun visor and new rubber on the bonnet.  P R E T T Y.
BUT, I really gotta know, that notepad thing you've got on
your center-divider on your windscreen....can you write on
it whilst driving (much less read what you've written before-
hand)?????

ayeYAP,
rd/nige

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Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 20:44:35 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: Oil pressure

Yes this type of filter does exist but you need the spin on oil filter
adapter.  It is available from ABP I think and someone in Toronto was
making them in his home shop at one time and selling them. Dave VE4PNOn
Tue, 11 Oct 1994, Russell G. Dushin wrote:

> DJP writes:
> > starves for oil.  Mine is always quiet except on start up when I get valve
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
> just wondering,
> rd/nigel

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Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 01:53:48 GMT
From: kjartan@ejs.is (Kjartan)
Subject: RR oil pressure

Thanks to all that responded to my question regarding oil warning
light. I will get the oil pressure mesured and install a real oil pressure
gauge. An other thing that bothers me is that the RR has not burnt
any oil over 6000 km. May be the synthetic oil is not doing its job properly or
the oil rings are to effective in scraping it off the cylinder walls?
The engin has covered 130000km (I think, I bought the RR second hand) and
the hydraulic lifters tap a little when the engin is hot. Otherwise the
engine is doing its job reasonably well, not wery economical though but
 one shouldnt expect much fuel economy when running on 33x12.5 tires and 
a three speed auto.
Regards 
Kjartan
kjartan@ejs.is

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Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 19:05:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: LROVER@u.washington.edu
Subject: For Sale-Landy Bits...

--------Aux. gas tank "Military Top Fill"--------
All the bits and pcs. to install a second gas tank
in place of the tool box under the drivers seat.
This includes aux. fuel valve switch and all fuel
lines. Half of the parts are new an the rest are
used and in good condition. It's only lacking (6)
k. This prized posession is now for sale due to
"Desparate " need to re-build an engine!
It's your's for $395.00 FOB Seattle 
as allway's first come first served...
offers accepted...but cash is needed..
I will carton and ship bestway...ie. cheapest
way I can, using my commercial rates if UPS isn't
pratical.
I can either be reached at LROVER@max.washington.edu
or return mail via this message...or FAX-(206)623-9831
Day#(206)623-5460 or night (206)365-3514.
Also, anyone with rebuilding of engine experience
please give your thoughts...on this subject...:)
Sincerely,
Benjamin J. Freeman

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 00:40:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: traceable wiring

Sorry old man, I just can't resist this..

> From:   IN%"rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca"  8-OCT-1994 03:00:41.37
> To:     IN%"lro@stratus.com"
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
> that you find zz23 printed onto the wire, as all their wires have 
> individual labelliing printed onto them , you have found the left rear 
> brake light wire. 
Really now Robin, that takes all the *fun* out of it. If you wanted to do a
proper rebuild you probably should paint the wires all one color, just to
keep the mystery in it.  :)
Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern)       

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Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 23:12:38 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: New L.R. Discovery... 1st 5 days.

If I'm not mistaken, LoJack has to have made an agreement with your local PD 
to lease them the tracking equipment.  You might want to check to see if they 
have the gear to find stolen vehicles.  (As I understand it, it's only $1 per 
year to lease the stuff.)  As far as I know, it's not available here in San 
Francisco yet.

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 23:12:32 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: traceable wiring

>Thought this would interest those of you contemplating a rebuild.
>Western Star, a BC based class 8 truck company uses traceable wiring on 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 24 lines)]
>Nepean, Ontario, Canada       |    1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean
>(OVLR's InterNet site)        |    Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4

Okay, so where can I get this stuff?  That is a *great* idea!  I want to 
rewire my 109", and that is *definitely* the way to go.

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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