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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Top Ten indicators you've just bought a rover
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 94 12:14:57 BST

>  9.  You buy Witworth tools at car boot sales.

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 29 lines)]
>      |--|--+  o  |   |           Land Rovers last."
>      2  4  R     N   H		'72 Range Rover ++ '69 S.IIa 88"
Bill,
Oooooh....I like it:-)Dixon,that's just *got* to go in the FAQ.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Subject: do you live near Mickey's place?
From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 94 20:18:20 -0500

Does anyone out there live real close to Disney in Florida? Like within 
20 minutes drive?

Rgds

Robin Craig

--
Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry,            |    Ottawa Valley Land Rovers
Nepean, Ontario, Canada       |    1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean
(OVLR's InterNet site)        |    Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4

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Date: Mon, 03 Oct 1994 08:06:29 -0400
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Defender 90 Soft Top Problems

Steven asks:

none
Maybe I'm in a state of blissful ignorance but what problems are there with 
the top? And what does this "proper replacement" consist of? 
none

I ran into Chris Laws of Badger Coachworks at the Baystate meet this past 
weekend.  He pointed out some of the problems of the 90 top.  They include 
thin gauge windows, crooked/poor stiching, poor fit (= flapping + wind noise) 
difficult to adjust straps.  He redoes the stitching in some areas, replaces 
the windows with heavier zip in windows, replaces all the zippers (originals 
are poor quality), adjusts the fit, and uses velcro straps.  You can call him 
at 508-394-2680.

Bill

maloney@wings.attmail.com

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Date: Mon, 03 Oct 1994 08:16:25 -0400
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: US Defender 110 Dealer Costs

Steven writes:
     
none
They did. LR imported 500 Defender 110's during '93 at around $41,000
apiece. I've seen two (or maybe the same one twice) in the L.A. area.
none

In a 1992 copy of a book by Simon and Schuster detailing car retail and dealer 
costs, they listed the base price of the 1993 Defender 110 at $39,900 and the 
dealer cost at $34,400.  The winch package retailed at $1900 and dealer cost 
was $1520.  If anyone is interested.

Bill

maloney@wings.attmail.com

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Subject: Re: 90 rear tailgate 
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 1994 05:38:14 -0700
From: Mike Fredette <mfredett@ichips.intel.com>

Robin asks,

	I have been around a number of North American spec 90's now. One of the 
points I have notcied is the amount of slop / play at the lacth side of 
the rear tailgate at the top when you close the tailgate with the door 
bearing the momentum of the wheel on the swing mount. 

Has anyone else noticed this ? How about all you owners of 90's on the 
net, what is your reaction?

ANSWER:
 	Yes now that you mention it, I have noticed the tailgate to
be a bit sloppy when closing. Once closed however, it seems to be 
nice and tight. The weight of that big tire/wheel combination must be
close to 50-60 pounds, get it swinging too fast closing the gate and
there is considerable momentum there.
						Rgds
						Mike Fredette
						94 DEFENDER 90
						Portland, Oregon

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Date: Mon, 03 Oct 1994 08:44:09 -0400
From: sat@eng.tridom.com (Stephen Thomas)
Subject: Any Early (April/May) US Disco Owners?

Gentle Readers:

Warning: Don't bother with this unless you're really bored. It's incredibly
trivial.

Would any of you be (or know) an owner of an early U.S. Disco? By early, I mean
purchased in April or possibly May. If so, do the parking lights flash (three
times) when you lock the vehicle?

Why, you might ask, do I care? Well, I recently purchased exactly such a
beast (used, of course), and mine don't. I mentioned it at my last oil change,
and, compulsive as he is, the service manager wanted to keep the car and fix
it. "Okay" I said. After two days of struggling with it, they couldn't figure
out what was wrong. The service manager and I started wondering if, since
mine was an early vehicle, they were even supposed to work that way. Maybe
only later shipments had the flashing lights. While they're researching it
on their end, I thought I'd check with the net.

If pressed hard, I can actually think of one semi-practical advantage of
this feature. According to the owners manual at least, if, when you (think
you) lock the car, one of the doors isn't closed, the parking lights won't
flash, thus alerting you to the unsecured vehicle.

BTW, I can speak quite well of (at least this particular) Land Rover service
department. Without any request from me, they supplied a rental car, and
they actually were going to keep the Disco longer (and me in the Geo Prizm, 
yuck) I guess until they resolved the issue.

I realize the triviality of this, but (1) when I get curious about something
I can go overboard, and (2) maybe you Series II owners can get a chuckle
at my expense (i.e. humorous replies encouraged). Please send any serious
replies via email since I doubt there's general interest in this topic.

Thanks in advance.

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Subject: Re: Hard Top for NAS 90 
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 1994 05:47:19 -0700
From: Mike Fredette <mfredett@ichips.intel.com>

Robin says,
	
	The colour of the hard top will be similar to that of the current soft 
top, a kind of graphite grey black. It will retail for about $3000 and 
will be available in the fourth quarter LR say.
	
ANSWER:
	The part number was released last Thursday, my hard top is SUPPOSED
to be here in 3 weeks, costing $2000. Got my fingers crossed as it's already
down to 38-F in the mornings, a bit chilly/breezy in a car with no top. Great 
fun once in a while but not for every day driving. No flames about cold winters
from the Canucks, we know you guys are supermen, taking baths in frozen lakes
etc.
						
							Rgds
							Mike Fredette
							94 DEFENDER 90
							90 Range Rover
							Portland, Oregon

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Date: Mon, 03 Oct 1994 09:33:39 -0400
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Flashing Rover Things

Steven asks:     

none
Would any of you be (or know) an owner of an early U.S. Disco? By early, I 
meanpurchased in April or possibly May. If so, do the parking lights flash 
(three times) when you lock the vehicle?... I realize the triviality of this, 
but (1) when I get curious about something I can go overboard, and (2) maybe 
you Series II owners can get a chuckle at my expense (i.e. humorous replies 
encouraged). 
(three times) when you lock the vehicle?... I realize the triviality of this, 

When I purchased my IIA, my parking lights wouldn't flash.  I changed some 
bulbs and they still wouldn't flash.  I fixed the ground wiring and now if I 
turn the switch on and off real quick they flash :-).  

At the last ABP rally I took several passengers along on the off road trip and 
one or 2 did a lot of flashing.  I thought we were going to get arrested.  If 
I thought the tailgate latches might not have held I would have taken off in a 
flash. :-) 

Bill 

maloney@wings.attmail.com 

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Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 15:28:03 +0100
From: mfarrall@well.ox.ac.uk (Martin Farrall)
Subject: Flashing Disco lights

Our Disco TDi was built in the UK in July 1993.  When you activate the
central locking/immobilizer with one remote keyfob the lights flash
once, with the other they flash three times.  I'm certain both keyfobs
used to flash thrice so they can clearly forget what to do :-)

We've not bothered the dealer with this to date.  We have heard stories
that changing the batteries on these fobs can also prove both costly
and tedious.

Martin Farrall

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From: ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu
Subject: Mr. Personality
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 09:57:24 -0500 (CDT)

I want to come out right up front and thank Richard Jones
(richardj@apricot.co.uk) for the excellent "New RR"
series.  His fingers must surely be sore from all that
typing.

And you ask, where is this leading?

I went to two parties this weekend.  These are my wife's
invitations and I accompany her.  Jan (that's the wife)
calls me "Mr. Personality" at parties.  It is probably
true.  While she "works the room", I stake out a corner
of the bar and am content at talking to one or two
people (or maybe none at all).  And over the years,
I learned not to talk the religion/politics/sex stuff
`cause that can get you into troubled, heated conversations.

In mixed company, I am not allowed to bring up the "land rover" 
topic unless someone asks me first.  So, over time, I have learned
to back into the subject with phrases like "...what kind of
car do you drive" or "...I worked on my car..." in
response to a "...what did you do today..." question.
And I can always honestly say "...he/she brought the subject up..."
when reprimanded.

Well this weekend, I had them eating out of my hand.
At both parties we were discussing the the subject
of the "New RR" and I had the facts.  Most people were
not aware of the "New RR" so it is amazing that we
managed to get onto that topic.

When I pointed out the new features, functions and benefits
that I had gleaned from Richard's LRO posting, the people
were impressed.  At one point, there were 6 people gathered
around and being entertained by "Mr. Personality".

And even Jan was impressed when one of the "important people"
said to her "...Ray sure knows his Range Rovers -- I always
wanted to buy one of those..."

On Sunday morning, at breakfast, I was still going strong.
It was like a scene from a movie:
  "...the New RR has retained the black e-pillar..." says I.
  "...I want to try the avacodo recipe in this months
      cooking lite..."  says she.
  "...the New RR has retained the castel bonnet..." I replied.
  "...we are going to eat diet meals this week..." she responded.

Now, I heard every word she said, but I somehow don't think
my thoughts were transferred.

Anyway, I am going to print out the "New RR" series and take
it home for Jan to read.  And I will review them, also, for
there is another party Wednesday nite...

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Ray Harder                 Columbia, Missouri   314-882-2000
 
         "...you are what you drive..."
 
- 61 SIIa 88 (LULU, aka Experimental)  - 66 SIIa 88 (rebuild project)
- 69 SIIa 88 (parts)                   - 87 RR      (wife's)
- 80 MGB                               - xx
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Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 11:04:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Steven Swiger (LIS)" <swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu>
Subject: Re: do you live near Mickey's place?

Well, almost...My parents live in Orlando and I live in Tampa...Can I be 
of service to you?
reply e-mail:swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu
Steve

On Sun, 2 Oct 1994, Robin Craig wrote:

> Does anyone out there live real close to Disney in Florida? Like within 
> 20 minutes drive?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
> Nepean, Ontario, Canada       |    1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean
> (OVLR's InterNet site)        |    Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4

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Date: Mon, 03 Oct 1994 11:10:31 EDT
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: Mid-Atlantic Rally

Spent Saturday at the Mid-Atlantic site putting the finishing touches on
several things.  The mud bog, while not full becaouse of the dry weather (2
months) is still belly-deep on a big dog.  The climb/turn out of the pit
should be a real challenge once properly wet down.

Completed and tested the teeter-totter just after dark.  Mike has done an
exceptional job...it's bloody strong...could be used for a portable bridge.
 It's also well off the ground and at the crest of a hill...*scary*.

    *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----*
    |                                                      |
    |  Sandy Grice,  Rover Owners' Association of Virginia |
    |  E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com       FAX: 804-622-7056 |
    |  Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days)  804-423-4898 (Evenings) |
    |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA   |
    *------------------------------------------------------*

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Subject: Defender 90 Sales in Eastern US
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 1994 09:22:47 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu>

   I was talking to a person who sells Defender 90s in Massachusetts and he claimed to 
sell between 6 and 10 Defender 90s a month.  Just for another data point....

-Benjamin Smith
 ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu
 1972 Land Rover Series III 88

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Date: Mon, 3 Oct 94 09:39:45 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Hard Top for NAS 90

In message <LHcJTc3w165w@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca>  writes:
>        HARD TOP FOR NORTH AMERCIAN 90'S

SO why can't a defender 90 owner just import a standard Defender 90 hard top 
from the UK (maybe a nice used one), remove the US spec roll bar & put the hard 
top on their US spec 90?  They could get it sooner & maybe save some $$$.

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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Date: Mon, 3 Oct 94 11:23:55 PDT
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: New RR

I would like to second the votes of thanks to Richard Jones for providing all
the info about the new RR. At this point my interest is mainly academic,
but it's great fun imagining.

One thing I was a bit disappointed about in all the specs was that it's pretty
hard to find any evidence that Land Rover devoted any attention to improving
off-road performance (granted that it was already pretty stupendous). On
the contrary, we see that the departure angle and breakover angle are worse
than the old RR, and the roll resistance has been increased by 30% -- always
a bad sign for off-road. The tweaks to the air suspension seem to be focussed
on the low and access modes. Although the tyre size has been increased, by
my calculations the outside diameter is still the same -- they are just fatter.

Perhaps this is all sour grapes on my part! In spite of these things, it
looks like a magnificent vehicle.

Many thanks once again

John Brabyn

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Subject: "Prince of Darkness Strikes again ?"
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 94 18:32:21 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

"Lucas Industries, already convicted of selling shoddy goods to the U.S.
military, faces criminal investigation into whether it falsified the 
inspection of parts used on Boeing airliners."

	_Roundel_, "Briefs", Sept. 1994.

	_Roundel_ is 'The magazine of BMW Car Club of America, Inc.'

	(Actually, a very good magazine, even if most of the articles are
	whinging on about how great the BMW nnn is or how better it 
	ought to be.  The undisputed information channel for the skinny on
	the better electronic counter measure and detection equipment, not
	to mention they picked up Satch Carlson after Autoweek dumped him.)

	[All that and membership in BMWCCA gets you the abililty to do
	'drivers schools', which is why I joined.]

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From: Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au>
Subject: New Land Rover Club & Gear box troubles
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 94 9:37:45 EST

Thought I would just like to inform  every-one of the formation of a new Land-
Rover club, in Gippsland, in Victoria, Australia.  The club held its second
monthly meeting last night, and I became a member last night!
Currently there are only about 35 members, but the club is only two months
old.

Also what are people experiances with broken layshafts, as I broke mine,
trying to roll start my diesel, and I only reliased when I tried to move it
under its own power a couple of weeks later, when there was a grinding noise
coming from the gear box.  I hope I do not have to replace the gear box, as
I doubt I will get another Series 1 gear box, and I would just miss that
dip stick!!

Thats all for now!

==============================================================================
Craig Murray                                            1955 Series 1 86"
LROC of Victoria Australia                              2.25 diesel (Nearly!)
LROC of Gippsland Victoria Australia             (Currently on Digest Mode)
email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au

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Date: 03 Oct 94 21:47:34 EDT
From: "Stephen O'Hearn" <72700.3262@compuserve.com>
Subject: Hard Top for NAS 90

Robin Craig writes:

> ...the next model year of 90's might have a hard top fitted as standard
> and that it will be aluminum...

Sounds like this would be more or less permanent. Having the option of a
hard top would be nice although the noise doesn't really bother me and
open air driving is ok most of the year in Southern California. It's nice
to hear that this is retrofittable and the same color as the current soft
top although $3000 is a lot. Can I hope this is CD$ and not $US <g>.

> BTW the GRP version is designed to fit with all of the roll cage 
> structure intact.

Does this include the rear portion of the cage used with the soft top?

Thanks for the information!

Treading Lightly...

Stephen O'Hearn
'94 Defender 90

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Date: 03 Oct 94 21:47:39 EDT
From: "Stephen O'Hearn" <72700.3262@compuserve.com>
Subject: 90 rear tailgate

Robin Craig writes:

> One of the points I have notcied is the amount of slop / play at the
> lacth side of the rear tailgate at the top when you close the tailgate
> with the door bearing the momentum of the wheel on the swing mount.

I have also noticed this. What is happening is that the latch mechanism
is not fully engaged as the tailgate tends to "bounce". So the result is
the tailgate can move. One should obviously not drive with the tailgate in
this state as a no-notice opening could occur. Three tries or so should
result in the tailgate completely closing in a solid fashion with no
"bounce". I seem to have had more success if I try to close the tailgate
with the minimum of force. Of course one try should do it but I have not
yet found it sufficiently annoying to look at myself or take to the dealer.
One note: there is no play in the door hinges that I've noticed, I suspect
the latch is the problem, perhaps some lubrication or adjustment.

Treading Lightly...

Stephen O'Hearn
'94 Defender 90

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Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 20:01:10 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Jim & Lisa / Jim & Robin

>Ray had it right.  Jim & Lisa were at he 1994 rally; they are good
>friends of Jim & Robin who were not at the '94 rally, but were at the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
>Roger...)
>T. F. Mills                                              tomills@du.edu
>University of Denver Library  2150 E. Evans Ave.  Denver  CO 80208  USA

I think there were a couple of pictures that part of my 109" in LRO.  I did 
show up on the video they did in '92.  I have the white 109" 3-door hardtop 
with INDY 1 license plate.  If you want more pictures, I have 4+ photo albums 
full...  [o]^)   (<--- me taking a picture)

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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From: C Taylor Sutherland III <taylors@hubcap.clemson.edu>
Subject: Repost!!! Please
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 01:52:58 -0400 (EDT)

The people that were importing LR's that were due the 4th Oct.  I got
the mail, bu tin attempts to save it, the editor ate it.  I would like
an address, so I can decide because of my own decision, not because I
lost the mail.  :)

Thanks

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