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1 | Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn | 51 | Re: Usenet |
2 | Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn | 17 | mail vs. usenet solution? |
3 | Spenny@aol.com | 29 | Names List-Ballot Results |
4 | "R. Pierce Reid" [70004. | 18 | Strange Land Rover |
5 | Michael Carradine [cs@cr | 33 | Re: mail vs. usenet solution? |
6 | "Stefan R. Jacob" [10004 | 53 | Re: Strange Land Rover on TV |
7 | CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR | 35 | Various subjects |
8 | "TeriAnn Wakeman" [twak | 32 | Re: Brakes |
9 | maloney@wings.attmail.co | 38 | Sleaze Rover |
10 | Mike Rooth [M.J.Rooth@lu | 18 | Re: Brakes |
11 | jfhess@bullwinkle.ucdavi | 46 | mainly Palo Alto All British |
12 | dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on | 36 | [not specified] |
13 | "TeriAnn Wakeman" [twak | 29 | Re: mainly Palo Alto All British |
14 | "R. Pierce Reid" [70004. | 181 | Add-A-Leaf Saga Part III |
15 | "Russell G. Dushin" [dus | 23 | Re: mail vs. usenet solution? |
16 | William.Grouell@Eng.Sun. | 28 | Re: Brakes |
17 | Leslie Stutsman [100042. | 31 | Land Rovers available |
18 | mcdpw@pacific.pacific.ne | 123 | Portland Meet |
19 | LANDROVER@delphi.com | 72 | Re: Brakes |
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 00:00:23 -0700 From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com> Subject: Re: Usenet If scanning messages is the problem with the mail list, I may have a solution. (Actually, it's Teriann's idea, but I'm always happy to take the credit.) I use a program called Pronto from CommTouch software. This windows software will automagically log on to your host, grab all your mail, send off mail you've written off-line, and log off. You can then read and reply at your leisure off-line. Messages are presented in a split window; the top half indicates whether the message has been read, who it's from, date and time received, and the subject. The bottom half shows the body of the message. There are scroll bars for each half, and you can size each half (as well as the whole window) so that you can show just a few headers and a lot of message, or vice-versa. You can also pop the message up in a window if you want to have just a bit showing in the folder and lots of headers. Mail to you go into an "incoming" folder, and outgoing mail goes either into a "draft" folder or an "outgoing queue" folder, depending on whether you want to edit it later. (you can edit messages in either one, but those in the outgoing get sent while draft doesn't.) You can also set up your own folders, either local (only on the pc) or not start to drag it, a window pops up with your folders listed, and you can just drop the message into which ever folder. very slick. No newsgroup support (other than terminal emulation) yet, but that's planned for the next upgrade. Tech support is very helpful, although the manual kinda sucks. A spell checker is included for outgoing messages (you can tell I don't use it). Lots of nifty features -- if you want more info, let me know. Cost is $149; in the June 14 - July 4 issue of Computer Currents (local free computer newspaper/mag), they had an add offering a promotional price of $99. Runs under windows, and works with a standard unix account. (No SLIP account needed like Mosaic.) Oh, also has "aliases" (Address book), easy import of the original message into replies, and an auto signature feature. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California ------------------------------[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940915 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 00:00:19 -0700 From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com> Subject: mail vs. usenet solution? Maybe that's the best solution -- Post the digests to a newsgroup on a daily basis. That way, those who prefer newsgroups can do that, those who prefer e-mail can still do that. I dunno. I'm still new to all this. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California ------------------------------[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940915 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Spenny@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Sep 94 06:33:10 EDT Subject: Names List-Ballot Results And the envelope please... 31) NO NAME - Keep LRO@Team.Net/Land Rover Owners@Team.Net by a wide margin. I don't have a total count on how many members/subscribers we have total, but I think a representative sample exercised their right to the franchise. If people are interested in the actual breakdown of what got how many votes let me know and I will post it. Thanks for letting me take charge charge of this cyber-anarcho-democratic thang. Spenny Spencer K. C. Norcross Spenny@aol.com Haverhill, Mass. USA ===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---=== 1969 IIA SWB Bugeye - The Wayback Machine Land Rovers on the Information Superhighway! What will they think of next! ------------------------------[ <- Message 4 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940915 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 14 Sep 94 08:27:22 EDT From: "R. Pierce Reid" <70004.4011@compuserve.com> Subject: Strange Land Rover Soren: That was probably one of the contract land rovers built in Portugual under License. They have slightly different grilles, slightly different body-work and, I believe, a rounded windshield like you describe. I don;t have a picture in front of me, though, so I can't remember their design for sure. If the "movie" was made in Spain or Portugual, there's a good chance that is what it was. Cheers, R. P. Reid ------------------------------[ <- Message 5 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940915 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 05:58:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com> Subject: Re: mail vs. usenet solution? On Wed, 14 Sep 1994, Roger Sinasohn wrote: > Maybe that's the best solution -- Post the digests to a newsgroup on a > daily basis. That way, those who prefer newsgroups can do that, those who > prefer e-mail can still do that. I agree, that way we can accommodate both types of readers. I see an advantage in that Land Rovers will get more exposure --since anyone on the net can listen in on the traffic (I had a difficult time myself locating this group, it appears to be one of the best kept secrets!). And, digest people can have the 'noise' filtered out by a quasi-moderator. Do we have to get an approval from 'lro@team.net' to do this?? Are there questions of copyright, or privacy in that some digest people may not want to have their names and email addresses broadcast throughout the universe? Will people start to use CB type 'handles' to remain anonymous? Should we ask the digest email handlers to post to a group, or should we have one of the recipients echo his/her email as a posting? Out of context question: How is it that some people have already responded to email in the digest containing the original posting? I get the digest only once a day, are they getting echos or is the mail posted somewhere already for everyone to read? --Michael Michael Carradine Carradine Studios / Architecture Development Planning cs@crl.com PO Box 99, Orinda, CA 94563 USA Tel 510-254-3324 ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940915 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 14 Sep 94 09:46:17 EDT From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Strange Land Rover on TV Soeren Vels writes: >the german Sat1. The film seemed to be an adult movie of an extremely bad >quality and my thumb prepared to work the remote control again. But >suddenly i saw a very strange vehicle. It seemed to be a normal dirt-brown >sIII 109 cab conversion, but it had seat tank (filler in the center like Dirt is the word... Yeah, I encountered that film some time ago! Seems to be part of Sat-TV's regular repertoire of sleaze they recycle every so often. There were these couples in an open Land Rover that had a break-down somewhere in a kind of desert (looked like southern Spain to me...) because this twit of a driver was fooling around with one of the gals next to him, let go of the steering wheel and ran the Rover up against a cliff, busting the radiator, right? And after this mishap the actors began jumping all over the Rover, engaging in activities that, since this is not an adult CB-band, I won't elaborate on further ;-D ... after all that's the logical thing to do when you break down in the desert and you're "in the heat" so to speak... >Could be a very late sIII but the ''actors'' clothes looked like late '70 >style and the rover didn't look brand new, so to speak. What clothes?? - Oh, you mean at the start of the film ... Anyway, like I said, that landscape strongly resembled the spanish Extremadura region, or it could have been on one of the (spanish) Canary Islands where you also find Sahara-like patches of desert. And this would explain the strange looks of that supposedly S.III 109 Land Rover: It was neither a Series III nor a classical 109 but... a spanish-built SANTANA ! :-o In Spain they have built Land Rover look-alikes (with license from Solihul) since a long time. All they get from England is the (leaf- or coil-sprung) 109" rolling chassis w/axles, motor & tranny; _everything_ else, body panels, dashboard, instruments, windscreen, roof, seats, electric system etc. is <Made in Spain>. These SANTANA-"Rovers" are, even nowadays, made to *look* like 109ers, and from a distance are hardly distiguishable from originals. But in fact and in detail they are _not_ *real* Land Rovers, and what you saw in that film - the vehicle! - was precisely a SANTANA. This cludgy 109-replica has but one advantage: It's * mucho mas cheapo * than a "gee-new-wine" Defender. Still, nothing a _real_ (did I hear 'hardcore'?) Land Rover enthusiast would drive in, let alone ... (Nothing like an instructive educational movie now and then, eh?) Happy channel smurfing - er, surfing! Stefan <Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com> LROC of Hessen ------------------------------[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940915 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 09:59:04 EDT From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE) Subject: Various subjects >From the FWIW department: Regarding springs, somewhere, sometime in the past, I saw an advert for a plastic-like sheet or strip that one would place between the spring leaves when reassembling. Supposedly, this made them work better (less friction when flexed) plus longer life due to reduced rust. Spring work is hot, hard, heavy work...something you don't want to do too often.... On one of the shackle bolts, I had to put a 6' cheater bar on he end of a 2' breaker bar...then jump on the cheater bar...figured I was putting 800+ ft. lbs. of torque on it (damn good ad for Craftsman sockets, though). Bill - you should appreciate this: Stratus Computers gets mentioned in Chapter Two of Tom Clancy's new book "Debt of Honor". I just started it last night. "Deadlock" was on the telly last evening as well. Jewel thief Rutger Hauer is imprisioned in a futuristic prison without walls, as all the inmates wear explosive devices around their necks. Rutger and female accomplice make their escape in a IIa 109 ambulance...chased by two other IIa 109's. And that 109 someone saw in a flaming fall...its from Sly Stalone's newest, "The Specialist." In that one scene, a drug lord gets ambushed and blown off a bridge. *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----* | | | Sandy Grice, Rover Owners' Association of Virginia | | E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com FAX: 804-622-7056 | | Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days) 804-423-4898 (Evenings) | | 1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA | *------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940915 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 94 08:35:43 -0700 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" <twakeman@apple.com> Subject: Re: Brakes In message <9409131711.AA01083@elephino.eng.sun.com> William L. Grouell writes: > > Having accidently tried an 88 master brake cylinder on 109 brakes...Do not > > use> this combination unless you have a good safety harnes, are well [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)] > If done correctly, this IS a nice improvement. Of course, it is possible to > screw it up and hurt your self. > R, bg Just a dumb, old, mechanical engineer. Oh well, as long as it works for you. Having a 109 with 109 front & rear brakes, 88 duel power assisted master cylinder, tightly adjusted brakes freshly bled, I had to pump the brakes three or four times to get ANY braking at all. Switching to a 109 master cylinder fixed everything. I still suggest matching the master cylinder to the wheel cylinders instead of using a master cylinder designed for use with smaller wheel cylinders. I suspect there was a reason they used a bigger capacity master cylinder with the 109 brakes. Just a dumb, old, ex-quality engineer TeriAnn Wakeman Large format photographers look at the world twakeman@apple.com upside down and backwards LINK: TWAKEMAN 408-974-2344 TR3A - TS75519L, MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561 ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940915 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 11:51:01 -0400 From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney) Subject: Sleaze Rover Stefan Writes: none Dirt is the word... Yeah, I encountered that film some time ago! Seems to be part of Sat-TV's regular repertoire of sleaze they recycle every so often. There were these couples in an open Land Rover that had a break-down somewhere in a kind of desert (looked like southern Spain to me...) because this twit of a driver was fooling around with one of the gals next to him, let go of the steering wheel and ran the Rover up against a cliff, busting the radiator, right? And after this mishap the actors began jumping all over the Rover, engaging in activities that, since this is not an adult CB-band, I won't elaborate on further ;-D ... after all that's the logical thing to do when you break down in the desert and you're "in the heat" so to speak... >Could be a very late sIII but the ''actors'' clothes looked like late '70 >style and the rover didn't look brand new, so to speak. What clothes?? - Oh, you mean at the start of the film ... none HMMMMMM.... Sounds like a good successor to our old "Gods" cult movie. Might be good to screen at a rally... show us how to use our tools & lubricants & such. Wonder what it was called? The God's Must Be Horny? The Gonads Must be Crazy? John Holmes in Kenya? Thelma & Louise & Peter North in Zimabwe? Steve Denis: An Authorized Biography? Bill :-D ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940915 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Brakes Date: Wed, 14 Sep 94 16:59:25 BST > In message <9409131711.AA01083@elephino.eng.sun.com> William L. Grouell writes: > > > Having accidently tried an 88 master brake cylinder on 109 brakes...Do not [ truncated by lro-digester (was 44 lines)] > 408-974-2344 TR3A - TS75519L, > MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561 I agree FWIW.Stands to reason,really.Surely you need the bigger master cylinder to shift the required amount of hydraulic fluid into the bigger slave cyls?Or is this an over-simplistic viewpoint? Not even an engineer,just an old fashioned mechanic:-) Cheers Mike Rooth ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940915 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 08:53:26 -0800 From: jfhess@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (John Hess) Subject: mainly Palo Alto All British Hi all, While in england, I stopped by motorbooks and picked up a couple of Land Rover books (to learn more about the beasts) plus a book of cartoons featuring everyones favorite vehicle. This book is call "petes second book of Land Rover cartoons" and is written by Pete Chilcott. In hindsight, not a good L2.99 spend. Howvever, I will put it in an envelope and mail it out for someone else to read. I figure that if you send me your snail mail address, I will compile a list, print it out and include it with the book. This way, after someone reads the cartoons, he/she can mail it to the next person on the list. Of course, if this is a old book that everyone has seen, I'll get no replies! OTOH, all it costs is postage to spread the thing around. Second, noone has commented on the All British meet in Palo Alto. I drove the Tiger down with another wanna be Land Rover Owner from Davis, Walt Swain. Walt is tall and had a sore knee, bad combination for the Tiger. I haven't talked to him but I hope he can walk again. I/we got to see a good mix of old and new rovers, including both defenders and discoveries. Dom Dias (from LROA) showed up with the Camel trophy 110 His son spent the entire time up on top, playing on the rack, clinbing up and down the ladder; exactly the thing my son would be doing! Uncle Roger (from S.F.) was there with Indy 1. Brad Blevins, John Kirn and Lynn Helm from LROA were there also. Good because their adventures are often written up in the newsletter( Aluminum Workhorse). I met a lurker who reads the digest on AOL, Eric with a NADA 109. Talked awhile with him and relayed that Robert Davis ( a friend of Sandy Grice) also likes the 6 cyl petrol engine. Eric's vehicle is very nice, almost hard to believe that it has been off road, but he says he uses it! Vance Chin brought his very muddy 88. William Carter, from berkeley showed up without his 109. Scotty, a local land rover guru/mechanic wasn't present and neither was terriann. I'm sure I'm missing lots of people from sheer ignorance, after all, I don't have a rover and have just been hanging around for a year or so. All in all, very nice to become acquainted with people I have seen on the net and/or in the LROA newsletter. If I missed you or you have insight that I missed, fill the group in? John Hess, PhD Phone me 916 752 8420 Dept of Human Anatomy FAX me 916 752 8520 University of Calif Email me jfhess@ucdavis.edu Davis, CA or leave me alone, your choice. ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940915 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Re: Usenet From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 94 13:12:06 -0500 Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com> writes: > If scanning messages is the problem with the mail list, I may have a > solution. (Actually, it's Teriann's idea, but I'm always happy to take the [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] > mail, send off mail you've written off-line, and log off. > You can then read and reply at your leisure off-line. We are getting a bit off topic, but if you can arrange a uucp feed from your work site, I can supply the required software to do all of this. The cost of the software is free. The RoverWeb could even ftp the stuff (Waffle) and make it available. You are proposing something that may require SLIP, NNTP, or something else fancy that requires other garbage to inhabit your pc at home (and anything that requires windoze should be avoided for a phethora of reasons, technical included). The stuff I am bringing up here requires basic ascii screens, primitive hardware (an original IBM pc would suffice), and software that is basically ports of UNIX software, so it is also available on the Macintish side of things in a different form. Rgds, Dixon -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, | Ottawa Valley Land Rovers Nepean, Ontario, Canada | 1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean (OVLR's InterNet site) | Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4 ------------------------------[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940915 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 94 13:07:15 -0700 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" <twakeman@apple.com> Subject: Re: mainly Palo Alto All British In message <199409141644.JAA11183@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu> John Hess writes: >. Scotty, a local land rover > guru/mechanic wasn't present and neither was terriann. I'm sure I'm missing [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] > newsletter. If I missed you or you have insight that I missed, fill the > group in? Hopefully Scotty was in the shop fixing my Land Rover. Palo Alto is probably about 4 days walk from my house. Its the first meet I have missed since I started going in '86. Scotty has not gone to the meet since Jean (his recently deceased wife) was diagnosed with cancer. When I asked him if he was going he just said no, the last time he went was with Jean. I wouldn't expect him to be going there for a few years at least. Glad you had a good time, wish I were there TeriAnn Wakeman Large format photographers look at the world twakeman@apple.com upside down and backwards LINK: TWAKEMAN 408-974-2344 TR3A - TS75519L, MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561 ------------------------------[ <- Message 14 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940915 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 14 Sep 94 17:25:05 EDT From: "R. Pierce Reid" <70004.4011@compuserve.com> Subject: Add-A-Leaf Saga Part III Greetings: In the last two installments, we have examined how to remove the spring packs from the vehicle and how to disassemble the packs, insert the leaves and reassemble the spring packs. Now, you're ready to re-hang the springs on the vehicle and complete the reassembly. As safety has been an ongoing theme in this series, keep in mind that you wil once again be under the vehicle and working with some parts that have th potential to do you great bodily harm. Remember to check your work regularly and be careful! There is also one more step that you will need to take to the springs now that you have re-assembled them -- that is to cut off the approximately 2 extra inches of bolt that is protruding from the bottom of the spring pack. Cut this off with a hacksaw leaving about a quarter-inch protruding beyond the nut. Now that the spring packs are in good shape, the first step in re-hanging your springs is to locate them under the vehicle. Before I removed them I marked each spring (with liquid paper, a great marking tool), putting an arrow pointing toward the front. Though I did not mention it in the first installment (where I should have) keep in mind that the left and right springs are NOT interchangeable. The springs on the drivers side have more camber to them to make up for extra weight. Since I took the springs off one at a time, this did not matter, but if you plan on taking them all off a once, you need to mark the springs appropriately. Also, though the springs will fit on either direction when new (they are symmetrical) I made sure they went on the same way they came off, since they have likely bent, stretched, fatigued, etc. I doubt they are as symmetrical now as they were when they were new. Once the spring is under the vehicle, connect the spring to the shackles under the vehicle. In other words, when connecting the front spring, start with the shackle toward the rear of the vehicle and when installing a rear spring, connect first on the shackle toward the front of the vehicle. This is because the spring will need to be pulled and maneuvered to line up with the other shackle and it will be much easier to do this from in front of or behind the vehicle as opposed to working under it. Next, take one of your floor jacks and raise the axle (previously supported on jack stands) slightly (1-2 inches) so that it is out of your way. You should leave the jack stand in place for safety. Once the spring is connected on one end, you will need to raise it up toward the shackle at the very front or very rear of the vehicle. Do this with your other hydraulic jack, placed at the center of the spring where the bottom plate will ultimately go. Once the spring is raised up, you will immediately notice that it is about 2-3 inches too short for the spring eye to line up with the holes in the shackle. This is in part because you have, in inserting the add-a-leafs, increased the camber of the spring, thereby decreasing the straight-line distance between the eyes. However, even without the add-a-leafs, the springs will likely be a bit short. The problem you now have is that, unless you happen to be Arnold Schwarznegger, you won't be able to pull those springs the last 2'3 inches to line them up with the shackle holes. Literally, it takes hundreds of pounds of pull and is impossible without considerable mechanical advantage. This is where your third jack comes in. I used the original equipment jack from the Land Rover and found it ideally suited to the task. So, with the axle raised out of the way with one floor jack and the other floor jack raising up the spring, I put the third jack on top of the spring pack with the ram resting on the frame. The location for this jack should be about half-way between the axle and the yet-unfastened shackle. Now, you have some serious mechanical advantage. Use the jacks together to locate the spring eye in the shackle eye. You are, in essence, flattening out the spring using the jacks. You will want to raise the floor jack supporting the spring and the Land Rover jack sitting on the spring little by little until you literally maneuver the eyes to line up. It takes a couple of minutes, but is quite easy once you get the hang of it. You may, at times, have to back off on one jack and raise more with the other, but you should be able to line up the holes with no trouble. Just a reminder about safety here... you are working with some serious stresses and if you have been careless in your jack placement or are going too fast, you can have a nasty accident. Be careful! Once the eyes are lined up, you can put the shackle bolts thorugh the hole and tighten them up. Remember that the inside shackles are threaded, so you can't simply hammer the bolts all the way through. In fact it might take a little additional maneuvering of the jacks to line them up perfectly and turn in the shackle bolt. Once the shackles are all bolted up, slowly release the floor jack supporting the spring and be ready to remove the Land Rover jack from on top of the spring as soon as tension is off it. With the spring hung back on the vehicle, you are almost ready to lower the axle onto the locating pin on top of the spring pack. This also takes both your floor jacks as it is unlikely that you will be able to simply lower the axle (that you had raised out of the way earlier) and have it settle right on the locating pin. First, though, you will need to put the spring bottom plate back in place (and in the case of the rear-axle, re-locate the brake-line plate you removed from the spring). Once the bottom plate is lined up and in place, put your floor jack under the plate, taking care not to cover up any of the holes that the U-bolts will protrude through when you put them in place. Again, you will use both floor jacks in concert to raise the spring and lower the axle until they line up. As with the shackles, you may have to do some tricky raising and lowering, but you'll be able to line up the axles with the locating pins with little effort. Now that the axle is sitting in the right location on the spring, it's time to put the u-bolts back in place and tighten them down. If you have removed the u-bolts entirely off the vehicle (I left them hanging on the axle), remember that not all are identical. There is one longer u-bolt that goes on the front axle nearest the differential, where the diameter is larger. Also, the front and rear u-bolts are not the same length. Also, you'll remember when you disassembled the u-bolts that there were clips on the nuts to keep them from turning loose. With the added thickness of the add-a-leafs, the clips will likely no longer fit as the u-bolts will be only just long enough to thread the nuts all the way on. You have a couple of options here. The best and most rugged is probably to have a spring shop make you a new set of u-bolts a half-inch longer. I have heard about $8-10 per u-bolt to have them bent. This way, you'll have enough extra space to put a new set of clips on to secure the nuts. Since I am going to have the body off in the spring, however, and don't plan any rugged driving until then, I left the clips off and used Locktite to secure the nuts. It's not the ideal solution, but since I am doing a full chassis-resto in the spring I'll have a set of u-bolts custom-made then and can live without the clips until then. Some will raise the point that the bolts will be fine without the clips, but I feel that Land Rover put them there for a reason, so I will go back to them. When you tighten the nuts on the u-bolts, too, always go in an x-pattern and tighten them gradually down. Make sure they are tight and, even if you are using clips on the u-bolts, use Locktite or a similar threadlocker. If you are working on a front axle, you are about ready to put the wheel on and move on to the next axle. Check all the bolts to see that they are tight and inspect the brake lines to see that you have not damaged one during the operation. It's also a good time to take a look at your brakes and hub seals, etc... as long as you have your tools out! If you are working on the rear axles, you still have to re-attach the check strap and, if you have removed it, you will have to reattach the brake line to the plate that fits between the springs and the axles. When you go to attach the check strap, you will find that, because of the additional spring camber, the strap will not reach the holes if the springs are not somewhat compressed. I considered looking for a longer check strap, but realized that the check strap was a certain length for a reason (ie, not to let the axke drop too far down) and so I opted to compress the spring and attach the check strap in its original location. This means that when you jack the vehicle up by the frame, the strap will be under tension, but it will keep your axle from over-extending. When there is weight on the axle, it is loose, as intended. Now you are ready to reinstall the wheel, remove the blocks and jack stands and gently lower it to the ground. You should notice a slight lift on whichever corner you have completed. By the way, resist the temptation to go anywhere (like for a well-earned cold beverage) until you have done both springs on one axle. I did not drive mine, but I have a feeling that handling would not be very safe with one corner jacked up! In tomorrow's last installment, I'll run down parts numbers, prices, and driving impressions. I'll also give you a rundown on the aesthetics of the vehicle with the new springs -- bottom line is that it looks good and only an expert would know it was modified. Thanks to everyone who has been following the series and who has provided outstanding feedback. As I have mentioned, I plan on submitting this to the Aluminum Workhorse as a tech article and would love to hear any feedback on things that might be confusing or need clairification. Thanks and regards, R. Pierce Reid '62 Ser IIa Military (The Sgt. Major) "I'm just an analog guy muddling through in a digital world." ------------------------------[ <- Message 15 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940915 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com> Subject: Re: mail vs. usenet solution? Date: Wed, 14 Sep 94 18:39:58 EDT > I agree, that way we can accommodate both types of readers. I see an > advantage in that Land Rovers will get more exposure --since anyone on > the net can listen in on the traffic (I had a difficult time myself > locating this group, it appears to be one of the best kept secrets!). Best kept secrets only remain that way if they are. As was pointed out by others earlier, greater exposure puts us at risk of having every 4x4 yahoo and his cousins send in flame mail (and you all thought I had poor eticate!). As it is (or has become, but only recently) traffic on this list is barely managable-and several worthy members have recently bailed. More are sure to follow if things get out of hand. Perhaps a limited amount of "local" newsgroups will do no harm, but if we blast our horns throughout cyberspace the repercussions could be devastating. my $.02. rd/nige ------------------------------[ <- Message 16 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940915 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 17:26:45 +0800 From: William.Grouell@Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell) Subject: Re: Brakes > I agree FWIW.Stands to reason,really.Surely you need the bigger master > cylinder to shift the required amount of hydraulic fluid into the bigger [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)] > Cheers > Mike Rooth As I indicated in my first response to the question, "Will this work"; the trade off of using the small master is more braking power at the expense of more frequent brake adjustments. The smaller bore master is just like using a longer lever to move a rock. More travel is required, but more is force applied to the load. There are six slaves to move with the 109 system, 4 on the 88, so the volume required is not just due to the larger dia of the slaves. If the brakes are adjusted so that the shoes hit the drums before the pedal hits the floor, you got brakes. I do *not* have 109 rear brakes, but that is a minor factor since I can get a hard pedal at the top of the travel. I am unable to explain why others have been unable to make this configuation work, but I can assure you that it does work, and very well. If you drove my Rover, you would only notice that the brakes are better than other, stock, Rovers. You would *not* be wildly pumping the pedal as you hit the wall. The only dents in my Rover are from a Honda that changed lanes into me to avoid rear ending some other fool at 50 mph. My front bumper tore off the passenger door of the Honda and thew it down the road. Dented my front wing, no damage to my bumper. R, bg ------------------------------[ <- Message 17 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940915 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 14 Sep 94 20:28:02 EDT From: Leslie Stutsman <100042.254@compuserve.com> Subject: Land Rovers available Nearing completion of reburbishment A 88" Short wheel base (1961) Series II a - Chassis very good to excellent. Bronze green (enamel paint) body, creme top. 60,000 miles - recently reconditioned gas engine. New clutch, battery, oil pump, front road springs, brake pipes, shock absorbers, Solex carburettor, etc. Spare tire on bonnet with (new) Land Rover logo tire cover. All new grey carpeted interior throughout, soundproofed, with rubber mat payload in rear. Free wheeling hubs, 2 rear spotlights, (5) 600X16 tires, new Land Rover logo mudflaps. 7 seater - all new deluxe Land Rover black front seats (3 in front) with 2 inward facing bench seats in back. New rubber seals on all doors. Rear Safari door. Antenna - wired for radio. New front door tops/bottoms and footwells. New workshop manual (still sealed) & parts catalogues supplied. 109" Long Wheel base (1968) Series II Safari station wagon. Chassis very good ++ Totally reconditioned engine and gearbox. Tropical Safari Roof with arctic windows. Refurbishment to begin soon. Many of the same above features. If not previously mentioned, bull bars, additional windows, etc can be added quite reasonably. If you are interested in these email me at Compuserve 100042,254 (or see you at the British Invasion rally) Cheers Leslie ------------------------------[ <- Message 18 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940915 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 18:00:24 -0700 From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool) Subject: Portland Meet I don't think I am going to be able to find time to really summarize the Portland meet properly, the way I had planned. I do want to mention a few highlights and random thoughts, though. It was wonderful to meet so many nice folks and see all those great Rovers. Just wish I were a lot better at keeping names, faces, and associated vehicles straight. Those not mentioned here did not necessarily make less of an impression. Actually, Bennett (my son who accompanied me) and I came away with few, if any, bad impressions. The whole show was very well and professionally run and left you trying to juggle to figure what you were going to be doing, as you could not possibly do it all. One highlight was meeting John and Phyllis Rostykus with their Defender 90-in-a-box! Had read their thread with great interest but didn't expect to run into them in Portland. Another was seeing two beautifully restored Dormobiles (Tony and Linda Starbird's and Doug Shipman's, I think). I took a Dormobile top and traded it to Gord'n Perrot (for a Tenson winch). Others were certainly looking for Dormobile tops (wish I had had more to sell). Another fellow(?) seemed to know of one available, but I can't remember who he (or maybe she, even) was. Right next to the Dormobiles at the show was a very nice and complete Land-Rover fire tender, I didn't catch the year of manufacture or the owner's name (nice fellow, though, letting kids get in and work the siren). Really appreciate Rasmussen Land-Rover folks from Portland providing new vehicles and tireless drivers to take people around the off-road course. The rain Friday night and intermittently Saturday made that event a lot more fun and, I think, made the show day seem a lot more British. Noticed a high percentage of Land-Rovers equipped with serious winches (don't recall seeing any capstan winches but not sure). Serious tires, too (even a few Michelin XCLs--pant, pant). A note for those of us with 88s equipped with 15" wheels. As an alternative to fitting 16" wheels, a couple of owners (at least) at the show had fitted B.F. Goodrich Mud-Terrain radials in 33x9.50x15 tires. About the same width and over-all diameter as 235/85x16 and cost close to the same without necessitating cost of new wheels. 15" wheels are wider than most of the 16s readily available, too, at 6" (old 88 16" wheels are 5" wide and 109 wheels are normally 5.5" wide. Really too narrow IMHO for 235s but the 5.5s are O.K. for 7.50s). Folks with those tires seemed to be happy with them. I think the prize for number of Land-Rovers brought by one family would go to the Perrotts of Seattle. I'm not sure, but believe that Gord'n, Stephanie, and Gord'n's mother each drove one. Stephanie was towing a military utility trailer, one was towing an 80" Series I on a car trailer, and somehow Gord'n's beautifully turned-out coil-sprung 88 special-under-construction also got there. Gord'n's mom, incidentially, was driving the only lightweight present. The most unusual Land-Rover, though, had to be the Series II air-portable and flotable 109" brought by Andre (I didn't catch the last name) from B.C. Never thought I'd get to see one of those. No forward-controls; bummer. A number of Series Is, including a 107 (or 109) pick-up and a nice grey station wagon. Lots of interesting camping adaptations, too. I didn't find time to really check that many of them out, though. One which certainly made an impression because it was simple, easily replicated, and handy, was John Benham's shower set-up. Just an RV on-demand pump, lengths of garden hose, various adapters and fittings available at any hardware store, and a large pan of water heated on a Coleman stove. Also had a frame for a tarp which hooked to the side of his Rover for privacy. I must comment that I noticed that with over 100 Land-Rovers present and all those wonderful folks present, it is sad to note that Mr. Charles Kellog seemed to have no part in the scene. He had his three magnificent and, of course, astronomically overpriced Land-Rovers to show and--I can't imagine how--sell. One fellow asked the price of one and was told $50,000! On another one (I presume similarly priced) I noted the standard used-car sticker where must be checked "As-is" or "Warranty" and noted that he actually dared to check "As-is"!! Get real! For those prices one should get full roadside service, anywhere in the world, for life! I have heard all sorts of bad stories about those who have dealt with him, both for vehicles and for parts. My one experience, years ago, was that I called to ask some prices, got his answering machine, and he returned my call--Collect! Still, my point is: Whatever drives him, it seems sad that he has so alienated himself when he should be a part. If his self-valuation (reflected by his prices and other indicators) were more real, perhaps he wouldn't be left out. Enough. Several polished Land-Rovers (no paint on aluminum). Now Bennett wants to do that to one of ours. Hmmm. I don't know. Partial to military paint schemes meself (tread lightly, ya know). The camping was great. About 20-25 Land-Rovers at camp the first night and more than 40 the second (Saturday night, when CK also camped but not in the camp area with all the others, hey, even some of the non-Land-Rover folks who camped felt comfortable to join us but not CK). The bonus surprise of this scene was the Starbirds (who usually host the camp-out at their place) put on a really delicious breakfast of hot cakes, sausages, and juice for all the Land-Rover campers. Unbelievable, huh? The best part of the camping was the around the notcampfire talks each night until late hours. You could wander from group to group and glean all sorts of wisdom, humor, and conviviality. Great, just great!! At these talks I heard some juicy advance rumors about forthcoming Land-Rover models in the U.S. (from a well-placed source). There is to be a four-door Defender 90 which will of course be exempt from the 25% duty which has in large measure determined the high price. The four-door will have only a 2.5% duty and is therefore supposed to have a base price of $23,000. Still a lot of money but much better. The Discovery is to get the traction control, a four-channel version, no less! I asked if the speed limiter (to 30 mph, as I recall) applied to the Range Rover version of the traction control would be eliminated but did not get an answer (need it to work at all speeds to guard against the black-ice demons of the interstates). Will post again if I think of anything especially important that I forgot to mention this time. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) L-Rs: 4-88" 1-80" + Austin Champ 4x4] [ e-mail to: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net Phone: (707) 485-7220 ] [ Net-Rovers leave a trail of mud & oil on the information superhighway! ] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940915 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 02:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Brakes And so it continues on.... > > In message <9409131711.AA01083@elephino.eng.sun.com> William L. Grouell none writ> > es: > > > > Having accidently tried an 88 master brake cylinder on 109 none brakes...Do n> > ot > > > > use> this combination unless you have a good safety harnes, are well > > > > insured and > > > > don't mind dents in the front of your Land Rover. > > > > Consider a 109 master brake cylinder a must for converting to 109 none front > > > > > brakes > > > > TeriAnn Wakeman [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] > > > > TeriAnn Wakeman > > > I'll keep this in mind next time I use my brakes and they work perfectly> > . > > > If done correctly, this IS a nice improvement. Of course, it is > > > > Consider a 109 master brake cylinder a must for converting to 109 possible > > to > > > screw it up and hurt your self. [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)] > > Oh well, as long as it works for you. > > Having a 109 with 109 front & rear brakes, 88 duel power assisted master > > cylinder, tightly adjusted brakes freshly bled, I had to pump the brakes thr> > ee > > or four times to get ANY braking at all. Switching to a 109 master cylinder> > > fixed everything. > > I still suggest matching the master cylinder to the wheel cylinders > > > R, bg Just a dumb, old, mechanical engineer. none instead > > of > > using a master cylinder designed for use with smaller wheel cylinders. I > > suspect there was a reason they used a bigger capacity master cylinder with > > the > > 109 brakes. [ truncated by lro-digester (was 21 lines)] > Cheers > Mike Rooth Just thought I'd like to quote everyone too, ad nauseum. |-] Yes, yes.. the wheel cylinders ARE bigger..and there's MORE of them.. so ya gotta pump more juice, so the master cylinder is bigger too. Oy! Matter of fact, the whole truck is bigger, and HEAVIER!! Ok, Ok, Sarcastic mode off. Sorry... Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) Complete with 88 brakes.. none of that foreign muck! ------------------------------[ <- Message 20 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940915 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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