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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: Movie Alert!
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 01:44:51 -0600 (MDT)

Jan Fisk writeth:
 
<  Does anyone remember what it was?

At the last Oscars round, we came up with our own extensive list of LR
Oscars/Emmys/GoldenGlobes...   Maybe we need a master list for the
FAQ, along with celebrity LROs, etc.!

Sandy Grice mentioned the upcoming (next month, I think)
Stallone&Stone (barf!) "The Specialist".  The trailers show a flaming
110 flying through space.

Somebody else recently mentioned Harrison Ford's "Clear and Present
Danger" in which the bad guys drive RRs.
 
< I'm still upset that Blockbuster does not carry "The Gods Must be Crazy"!!!
<  Let me know if you see it coming on at anytime on cable.  I would appreciate
< it.

I've seen it in independent video stores.  Did the sequel have Rovers?
(Still haven't seen it.)

T. F. Mills                                              tomills@du.edu
University of Denver Library  2150 E. Evans Ave.  Denver  CO 80208  USA

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: 500,000th Land Rover?
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 01:56:21 -0600 (MDT)

Some time ago Robin mentioned something about the 500,000th Rover
coming off the production line in 1966.  I didn't catch the end of
that thought.

Since my 109 is a 1966, I'm curious if one can determine somehow the
day and/or month any particular car rolled off the assembly line, and
what its production number was.

Furthermore, I understand that the first three digits of 1962-79
chassis numbers indicate model and specification.  My prefix is 254 --
what does it mean?

I'd hate for Sali to miss her own 30th birthday out of sheer
ignorance.  (Rovers give new meaning to "over the hill".)

T. F. Mills                                              tomills@du.edu
University of Denver Library  2150 E. Evans Ave.  Denver  CO 80208  USA

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: crumple zones
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 10:30:40 UNDEFINED

/Try this simple experiment at home. Tape a brick to your head and 
/ram it into a wall at a fast walk. Then try this same test with a 
/foam pillow taped to your head. Go ahead, I'll wait...

I prefer to run my brick into a pillow. Doesnt damage the brick............

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From: Spenny@aol.com
Date: Wed, 07 Sep 94 07:17:54 EDT
Subject: Names List Final

for the last time, the voting rules: Voting will start Mon, Sept 5 @ 6:30 am,
when I will post a final edition of the list, and will end Mon, Sept. 12 @
6:30 am, one week from the posting of the final list. I will post final
results no later than Wed, Sept. 14
e-mail me at   spenny@aol.com     put BALLOT in the Subject header

Here is the list of names as of 2:00 am EST 9/3/94
PLEASE NOTE: that the last option is no name for the club, just continuing to
use the internet mail address

1.)   Land Rover Owners Club
2.)   Rover nets
3.)   Low Rangers of the Information Superhighway
4.)   L.R.O.I Land-rovers on the internet (info hiway)
5.)   RoversNet
6.)   IL-RIC - International Land-Rover Internet Connection
7.)   ILRN - International Land-Rover Network
8.)   Rovers in the Ether
9.)   Roving through the Ether...
10.)   Land-Rovers, Internet & Beer, a virtual community.
11.)   low-box net surfers
12.)   Ledgendary Land Rovers International
13.)   Rover 4X4s of the electronic highway
14.)   Raving Rovers!
15.)   The Net Rovers
16.)   Rover Rangers of the Infobahn
17.)   LROC of the Internet
18.)   The Wired Rovers
19.)   Space Rovers
20.)   Cyberspace LAN'd-Rovers
21.)   LROC of the Internet
22.)   CyberLand Rovers
23 )   Land-rover Users Group    (LUG)
24 )   Land-Rover Owners Virtual Register (L-ROVR) 
25 )   Land-Rover Owners Virtual, Internet Group   (L-ROVING)
26 )   Syberspace Land Rover Owners Club
27 )   Society for Landies United Together {Maloney Baloney  ; )  }
28 )   LUGNUTs (Landrover Users Group Network UniTed) or 
29 )   SCREWs (Society of Cybernet Rover EnthusiastS)?
30 )   Car List Rejects
31 )   NO NAME - Keep LRO@Team.Net

Spenny

Spencer K. C. Norcross                                Spenny@aol.com
Haverhill, Mass. USA
===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===
1969 IIA SWB Bugeye - The Wayback Machine

Land Rovers on the Information Superhighway!
What will they think of next!

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Date: Wed, 07 Sep 1994 07:57:46 -0400
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Elephants & Rovers

Mike writes:

none
I've got a bit of some TV program on videotape about some chap studying
elephants. Most of it is pretty mundane but there is one part that is real
good. They were "darting" young bulls and fitting them with radio collars
to track thier movements. The tricky part is they have to administer a
antidote to the tranqualizer because it's not good for the elephant to be
down too long in the heat. The guy was trying to inject the antidote when
the matron noticed what was going on. The next bit of footage gets real
exciting as the guy jumps back into the 88 and starts backing it up at a
very high rate of speed. Not fast enough however, because the matron charges
the Rover and actually rams it a number of times. The camera was bouncing
around *quite* at bit, but you do get a glimpse of a badly bent steering
wheel! 
none

Several years ago I was watching a segment on CBS called "Dangerous Moments in 
Photography" or something like that.  They showed a segment that was somewhat 
similar.  The photographers were in a topless IIA 88 with the camera bolted in 
back facing forward.  I've forgotten whether they were just photographing or 
tagging the animals, but they find themselves facing this big bull.  The 
animal starts to charge and thrusts his (her?) tusks through the radiator and 
pushes (running) the Rover backwards for quite a ways . It's like you're 
sitting in the Rover with one very pissed off elephant's tusks through the 
radiator running at you and the brush/trees are moving by at high speed away 
from you (very exciting footage).  I don't remember if it flipped the vehicle 
on it's side or not but after the animal had left they surveyed the Rover.  It 
was declared a total loss.  The other interesting non-Rover footage I recall 
was that of killer whales swimming up onto the beach to snatch seals on the 
sand.  They then wiggled and rolled back into the surf.  Real amazing stuff.  
I haven't seen it since but would be sure to tape it if it comes around again.

Bill

maloney@wings.attmail.com

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Date: 07 Sep 94 08:54:44 EDT
From: "R. Pierce Reid" <70004.4011@compuserve.com>
Subject: Thanks, Helper Springs and Movies

Greetings.

First, thanks to Bill for the advice on the carb... that agrees with Rovers
North diagnosis, so I guess my thought about the coil may be off... I ordered
one anyway, so it'll probably end up in the spares box.

Second, someone asked about movies... One with lots of Rovers in it is called A
Crack in the World (or was it Earth??)... a really bad sci-fi movie, but worth
the rental to see the Land Rovers.  Another movie that starts Friday is called
"A good Man in Africa" and has Sean Connery driving a gorgeous IIa Pickup 109.
I can't believe Blockbuster does not have the Gods Must be Crazy... You sure it
is not under foreign films?  It was made in South Africa.   Of course, the fact
that it came from S.A. (and was made before apartheid ended) may keep some
stores from carrying it, but I have seen it at other Blockbusters...

Finally... My add-a-leaf kits arrived last night and I will be installing them
over the weekend.
The kits, though ordered through J.C. Whitney, are by Hellwig, which has a good
reputation for quality.  The springs are quite robust looking and have a strong
curve to them, which accounts for the lift they claim they will give the
vehicle.

The front springs are easy to install, as the helpers fit between the retaining
clips, and do not require that the retainers be removed.  the rear ones will be
a bit more challenging, and require that the spring pack be totally
disassembled.   From experience, I know I'll need to heat the retaining clips
(Propane torch is ok, as they are made of malleable steel) and the re-bend them
once the spring-pack is back together.

I'll let everyone know how the project goes parts ordered, etc.  This looks like
an easy suspension modification.  I plan on picking up some film and
photographing it, too, so I may pot together an Aluminum Workhorse tech piece.

Cheers, 

R. Pierce Reid

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Date: 07 Sep 94 08:57:28 EDT
From: "BENJAMIN G. NEWMAN" <71773.3457@compuserve.com>
Subject: ADVICE

FELLOW LRO

As you know from previous correspondence, I have a 6-cylinder, 1966, 109 NADA 
station wagon. The engine is not the original engine but, in fact, we have 
determined it is a 1955 to 1959 Rover automobile engine. Because of potential 
problems I am having with this engine, I am considering replacing it with a 
Turner rebuilt 4-cylinder, 2.5 liter, high-performance engine. I am also 
considering, while replacing the engine, putting in a rebuilt Series III 
transmission. I found a fellow in Europe who rebuilds transmissions to 
military specifications who tells me the Series III rebuilt is as good as, if 
not better, than a late-model Series IIA and, of course, it is syncromeshed.

My question is, what are the advantages and disadvantages of changing out the 
differentials and putting in a 3.5:4 differential in the front and rear?

I was told since I will be reducing my horse power by putting in a 4-cylilnder
engine, that this will increase my speed at a very minor cost of power. I also
have been told that with the change of differentials that I would no longer 
need an over-drive. Since I already have an over-drive that is brand new in my
vehicle, what effect would I have by keeping the over-drive or should I get 
rid of it? Of course, if there is not much difference in changing out the 
differentials, I prefer not to do so, because of the obvious expense.

Comments about this proposal from around the world are anxiously welcomed. 
Also, does anyone have a good source for these differentials?

To Michael Loiodice: Thank you for your comments. Finally I was able to lock 
in the front wheels. I do not know what kind of locks I have. I know I have to
pull down a bar and turn it before you can lock them in. There are two bars 
per wheel. I have noticed the past few days there is a little oil dripping 
from the hub of my front wheel. Does this mean I need a new seal or do we live
with this problem?
Benjamin G. Newman,MD
1966 109 series llA NADA wagon
1962 88 warwick4X4 rebuilt to series lll specs

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Date: 07 Sep 94 09:28:40 EDT
From: "R. Pierce Reid" <70004.4011@compuserve.com>
Subject: Thanks

Bill:

Thanks for the pointer... I'll give that a shot.

Last night, I tried to find a leak on the carb by spraying carb cleaner along
the gaskets, etc. but had no luck.

I have ordered a gasket kit for the Zenith (Genuine, from Rovers North) and will
start with that.  I may also grab a piece of glass and some 400 grit emery paper
and see if I can spot a warp on the top-plate.  Your idea that the O-Ring may be
part of the problem, though is interesting... that would explain why the carb
seems to seal well and won';t react when the seals are sprayed.  I assume there
is a replacement O-Ring in the gasket kit.

Since I had a friend rebuild and reset my carb a year ago when I last re-did it,
I am not familiar with the Zenith (I had no trouble tearing it down and "think":
I have identified each piece) but just for my record... the mixture screw, I
assume, is the one at the bottom of the carb, near the adaptor plate and sort of
sitting at about 7 O'Clock as you face the front of the vehicle?

Thanks again for the help... I'll let you know how it turns out this weekend! 

R. Pierce Reid

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From: K Schmidt <s20845@hp.rmc.ca>
Subject: carb question
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 94 9:51:48 EDT

I now have a solex on my 62 IIa 88.  I'm not happy with the fuel
consumption.  Has anyone heard of conversions to Rochesters?  Any
ideas of a model number or a donor vehicle that might have one?
Any comments on performance, fuel consumption or potential
problems with such a conversion?  

Thanks in advance for any ideas you might have.

kurt 

s20845@sv1.rmc.ca

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Date: Wed, 07 Sep 1994 11:28:37 -0400
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: R. Pierce & Ben  Newman questions

R. Pierce & Ben,

My header didn't give me an accurate return address so I couldn't respond 
directly, so...

R. Pierce writes:

none
I have ordered a gasket kit for the Zenith (Genuine, from Rovers North) and 
will start with that.  I may also grab a piece of glass and some 400 grit 
emery paper and see if I can spot a warp on the top-plate.  
none

That's the best way to do it.  I just don't have the patience and opt for the 
file... carefully (I did try it though - seemed to take forever).

none
Your idea that the O-Ring may be part of the problem, though is interesting... 
that would explain why the carb seems to seal well and won't react when the 
seals are sprayed.  I assume there is a replacement O-Ring in the gasket kit. 
Since I had a friend rebuild and reset my carb a year ago when I last re-did 
it, I am not familiar with the Zenith (I had no trouble tearing it down and 
"think":
none

Yup, a new O ring is included.  If your friend pulled it apart without 
replacing the O ring, the O ring may not seal properly due to tearing or being 
just plain hard as a rock.

none
I have identified each piece) but just for my record... the mixture screw, I
assume, is the one at the bottom of the carb, near the adaptor plate and sort 
of sitting at about 7 O'Clock as you face the front of the vehicle?
none

Yes, that's it.  You may find the replacement needle too oversized (tight) to 
be able to feel it bottom out.  Reuse the old if that's the case.

Ben Newman writes:

none
Finally I was able to lock in the front wheels. I do not know what kind of 
locks I have. I know I have to pull down a bar and turn it before you can lock 
them in. There are two bars per wheel. I have noticed the past few days there 
is a little oil dripping from the hub of my front wheel. Does this mean I need 
a new seal or do we live with this problem?
none

Now I know what kind of hubs you have, but I don't know what they're called.  
I've got them on my 88 and when locked, they do seep oil from the two locking 
shafts that the bars pivot on.  I have had them apart and the O ring seals 
seem OK.  I don't worry about it.  To lock them if they won't both lock at the 
same time I lock one then turn the steering wheel to lock one way or the 
other.  I move the Rover forwards or back slightly then get out and try again. 
It may take a couple of tries but this will work.  If you don't turn the wheel 
both wheels turn at the same rate and the locking mechanism will never line 
up.  Or you can cheat and lock the first hub that will then jack up the other 
wheel and rotate it until the locking shafts will engage.

Have fun!

Bill 

maloney@wings.attmail.com

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From: <DAVE@andataco.com>
Date:          Wed, 7 Sep 1994 08:21:52 PST
Subject:       remove me from your mailing list.

Thank you for the information on your net.  I no longer have the time 
to filter the info.

Yours in Better Service,

W. David Sykes
President

Andataco
10140 Mesa Rim Road, San Diego California 92121
619-453-9191 ext 1200, 619-453-2676 (fax)
dave@andataco.com

The best kept secret in the industry??????

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Date: Wed, 07 Sep 94 11:49:39 -0400
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Date: Wed, 07 Sep 1994 11:32:04 -0500 (CDT)
From: Tim Harincar <soc1070@128.101.63.1>
Subject: RE: Hello and some newbie questions

Thanks to everyone who responded to my questions.

Last evening, I removed the Zenith carb and took it apart (well, I took the
top & bottom half apart). The o-ring was in good shape. Next, I checked the
float - bingo! The float was set way off. When holding the top half upside 
down, Haynes says the float max distance from the body should 1 5/16". This 
was set to less than 1" - about 15/16" (actually, the float would stop when it
bumped into the body!). That would account for the flooding - since it was
set low, when floating on the gas it wouldn't have enough travel to fully
close the needle valve, and/or would allow too much gas into the float chamber.

I checked the fit of the halves, and it was pretty good. The carb isn't that
old, only about a year, so it doesn't appear that it has warped. 

I was able to get it running with a jump (generator problems are next), just
to make sure it was working, but I haven't got into the fine tuning yet. I
still need to clean all the plugs (I have new ones and just might replace
them), as well as check the gap on those and the points.

Thanks again

--
tim harincar
soc1070@vx.cis.umn.edu
or harincar@internet.mdms.com

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Date: Wed, 7 Sep 94 12:29:44 EDT
From: "The X Window System: A VMS for the 90s" <brandenberg@wrksys.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Re: quick brake fluid question...

> I picked up some Castrol GTLMA instead of the usual LMA brake fluid
> this morning (only thing they had worth buying).  Counterbeing thought
> it was fine for natural rubber seals but I thought I'd ask if anyone
> has used it yet...
none

To answer my own question....  New packaging confused me.  The
old stuff was also GTLMA, just with the bits moved around.
Damned marketing people just can't leave things alone....  :-)

m

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Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 13:16:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: Bull Bars/LR Safety

Actually, land rovers in this country are at the fore in saftey...most of 
them don't run!...only kidding folks.....but,isn't this list a form of 
safety .....While we're inside on the net....our rovers are parked in the 
drive *not* crashing into anything....(I wonder if we could get a club 
discount on insurance....)

truly sorry,won't happen again...really

steve.....

"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
"        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
"        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
"        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

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Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 13:29:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: Weekend jaunt/clutch woes

The disc is rusted to the flywheel.... start it up in gear with the 
clutch pedal pushed in....it will go "pow" and release....you may have to 
give it some wellie,and push on the brake with your third foot....but 
once it comes loose,it is fixed...untill the next toyota come to town..
steve...

"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
"        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
"        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
"        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

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Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 13:49:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: crumple zones

"HEY! NICE CRASH,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

On Tue, 6 Sep 1994 llevitt@idcresearch.com wrote:

> Uh, perhaps I've been spending too much time in Volvos (boxy but 
> safe) but the discussion of rover stoutness versus crumple zones 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> foam pillow taped to your head. Go ahead, I'll wait...
> OW! my head hurts!
Really the experiment backfired...with the brick atached,my head went 
*through* the wall,and the energy was absorbed in the breaking /displaced 
wall board....the point is that inertia does play a major role here...if 
I hit a ford fiesta (1500lbs) with my 109sw (4000lbs) *somebody* is going 
to get more than their share of deceleration....("oh no,really,I*insist* 
that you slow down more quickly than I...)
with the greater mass of our vehicles,we have the responsability to drive 
carfully....the the rest of the world *should* get out of the way,but 
they all failed physics......
steve....

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Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 13:57:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: ADVICE

Those hubs are Dual-Matics....do your self a favor and lose them... the 
detent ball that holds the arm in place rusts up and then the  arms fly out, 
breaking off and making the whole affair quite useless.....they also tend 
to leak (they *were* land Rover approved...)
Over drive and 3.54 are *way* too "tall"....even with a Ford V-8...don't 
ask....really......

steve.......

"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
"        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
"        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
"        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

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Date: Wed, 7 Sep 94 11:39:55 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Land Rovers and charging rhinos...

In message <T3X4Rc4w165w@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca>  writes:
>         Something that has been discussed before here...
>         I was going through some old issues of the ALROC magazine
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 24 lines)]
> dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
> Ottawa Valley Land Rovers / FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

OH OH!!!
I guess this means the courts will throw out my copyright to that phrase.

Well there goes the millions in royalties and invitations to national talk 
shows.  I guess I need to ring Ophra and tell her to cancel...sigh

But... does the add mention field stripping in the jungle with a screwdriver and
crescent wrench?...flicker of hope (Hmm that sounds like what happens when you 
use a Lucas light switch).

Honestly, I don't remember looking at a Land Rover add in the sixties.  I don't 
think I even knew what a Land Rover was then.

sigh

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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Subject: 500,000th Land Rover?
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Wed, 07 Sep 94 13:03:06 -0500

"T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu> writes:

> Since my 109 is a 1966, I'm curious if one can determine somehow the
> day and/or month any particular car rolled off the assembly line, and
> what its production number was.

        If one wants to sort through factory records, it is possible to
        determine this information (assuming it has not been lost).  Beyond
        that, it is impossible to determine what year a IIA Land Rover
        was built in from the serial number.  By what bits and pieces
        are on it, it is possible to narrow it down to within a year
        or two, assuming it is original.

> Furthermore, I understand that the first three digits of 1962-79
> chassis numbers indicate model and specification.  My prefix is 254 --
> what does it mean?

        Latest FAQ that I posted has this information.  Basically, 254
        means it is a left hand drive export model 109 with a petrol
        engine, basic configuration (Station Wagon was 264 prefix).

> I'd hate for Sali to miss her own 30th birthday out of sheer
> ignorance.  (Rovers give new meaning to "over the hill".)

        Original registration will give that to you, though it is very
        possible that it might be a year older.

        Rgds,

        Dixon

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry,            |    Ottawa Valley Land Rovers
Nepean, Ontario, Canada       |    1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean
(OVLR's InterNet site)        |    Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4

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Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 13:02:37 -0700
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re:Rovernet stickers

>  Granville handed out window/bumber stickers he designed 
>  having a Land Rover Information Highway logo on it.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>Granville, are these stickers available for sale, rent, lease?
>Spenny
I plan to refine the signs a little and actually include a Land-Rover logo 
(hope that doesn't get me in trouble with Solihull P.D.).  I hurriedly threw 
something together for the show (Portland Meet) which was just on paper and 
card stock. I may alter the text a little as I refine this and add a logo 
(or maybe a graphic image of a Land-Rover).

Will post a message when they are ready.  I will not charge for card signs 
(SASE only) but will have to charge nominal amount for sticker versions (to 
cover cost of transfer film).  Will let you know.  I'm flattered by your 
interest.

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[ Granville Pool <mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net> >>5 Land-Rovers (4-88" 1-80" ]
[ 2601 Road I,#0, Redwood Valley, CA 95470          Phone: (707) 485-7220 ]
[ Net-Rovers leave a trail of mud & oil on the information superhighway!  ]
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Date: Wed,  7 Sep 1994 16:38:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Off the subject

I hope I don't make anyone in the group mad at me but I have one
question that is not Rover oriented. I was hoping in the collective
knowledge of this group that some one might be able to give me a clue. 
Anyway, The question is;
does anyone know where I might get any information on a 1927 American La
France 6 cyl fire truck. I haven't the foggiest idea about the engine.
If you do have any info please send it to me direct at jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu.
I don't want to use up our space here.
Thanks for any ideas
Jon

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Date: Wed, 7 Sep 94 14:15:11 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: carb question

In message <199409071351.AA09309@g8.rmc.ca> K Schmidt writes:
> I now have a solex on my 62 IIa 88.  I'm not happy with the fuel
> consumption.  Has anyone heard of conversions to Rochesters?  Any
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> kurt 
> s20845@sv1.rmc.ca

The Rodchester would need to be the one from the Chevy iron 4 cylinder engine 
that came in some cars in the sixties.  Fuel consumption is higher in most cases
(all that I'm aware of.  The larger venturi is supposed to add a little more 
horse power.  

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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Date: Wed, 7 Sep 94 14:15:33 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: PORTLAND ABFM

In message <9409062008.AA19037@pdx242.intel.com> Mike Fredette writes:
> HI ALL

> apart. And Terriann, looking at John Benhams canvas water bag, they're 
> supposed 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> 							Rgds
> 							Mike Fredette

Mike! wait a minute, I had a canvas water bag on the nose of my 109.  I've had 
it for years.  Genuine large size flax desert bag with cork stopper, modified 
with bailing twine strap when the original one rotted.  I was commenting on the 
things that others had said on the mail list.

I too had a wonderful time at the Portland meet as always and renewed 
friendships. Bear got to play with his shadow again (Black Newfoundlands look a 
lot like white Pyrenese).  Got to look at the pile of '90 parts that was 
recently shipped over from the UK in a big box...Amazing!!.  Bear says to say 
Thanks to all of you at my table at the Sat BBQ who contributed bones for him.  
He thought they were VERY tasty.

Camping at the meet was lots of fun.. especially since there were slightly more 
than 40 Land Rovers worth of people overnighting there with me.  Maybe they will
let us do it again... Except I prefer the Tony & Linda hosted BBQ.

I got some excellent ideas on how to make my Land Rover a better camper and 
currently plan to head north this winter to pick up Doormobile parts :*)

The off road course looked like fun but I decided that if I didn't want all my 
camping gear to be evenly distributed throughout the car, I would need to unload
it first.  I took one look at all the bungie mounted boxes and stuff and decided
it was too much work.

The only bad part about the trip was coming home.

The lay shaft in the gear box broke on the way home from Portland on Monday.  I 
had filled the car with petrol in Ashland, stopped at the California border 
check point and the transmission went BANG as I was pulling out of the 
checkpoint.  Luckally I still had fourth gear (hi & low) and full tanks.  I took
the car to Scotty's house in Concord and got a ride home.  He will fix the 
transmission for me and locate the strange engine noise that has plagued me 
since he rebuilt the engine.  I hope to get the car back around mid Oct (when I 
have some $$ gathered to pay for the transmission work).  I discovered that the 
Land Rover will go from Ashland to Concord (near San Francisco) in one petrol 
load (2 underseat tanks).

The transmission had 16,700 miles on it after a rebuild which reused the old 
layshaft.

Of course, I went up with Vance, problem free (except for needing to tighten the
wiper arm), and had problems coming back alone. Oh well.

It was still fun & Thanks Vance for providing company on the way up!

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: lromail volume
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 94 17:40:26 EDT

> As message traffic increases in this group, I am for the first time
> deleting some without reading them.  I read less than 10% of some
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> describes your message (rather than being left over from an unrelated
> thread).

Please note that in some cases it is either impractical or impossible
(?) to include a subject line in an outgoing message.  If I use the
standard "mail" command and type "Subject: some subject" on the first
line a subject line appears for you and all to scan (no doubt this is
an "automated" feature in many of your mailer programs).  HOWEVER, I
am then VERY restricted to what I write in that I can ONLY edit the
line I am typing on and none of the above lines (remember my snowy
nigel picture, for instance??).  Hence, I do most of my postings by
sending a file first created in vi.....but then I cannot (or have not
figured out how to??) include a subject line.  If I try to include
"Subject: some subject" in the first line of my vi'd file it doesn't
work....somehow a blank line is inserted in the process and that 
"Subject:etc" line comes out on line two.  Perhaps there is an easier
solution to the only one I've got (which is to copy and paste into the
"standard mail" method after manually including a subject line....a tad
of a pain in the arse).

WRT excessive volume and the recent complaints about "multiple responses"
that could be consolidated.  Good point, but I think that there is a
tendancy to respond in multiple messages because:
a) many mailer programs have the "reply" feature that automatically inserts
the ">" sign to let you know what was responded to but this cannot (or again,
I and others don't know how) be done with several messages at once (without
saving them to a file, then resending it to yourself: arg!)
b) many persons may read one at a time and respond as they go.
c) in some instances (but not for paying customers, I suppose) the inclusion
of the subject line to key us in on what the message is all about is
advantageous.

But hey, many of these problems can be solved with the DIGEST and some good
text searching techniques, no??  With all the volume and no time to read it
that's where I'm heading.....fast.

rgds, 
rd/nigel

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Date:         Wed, 07 Sep 94 19:31:04 LCL
From: Joseph Broach <PC7170@UTKVM1.UTK.EDU>
Subject:      More Info: Rattles and Rumblings from Sid

      First I would like to thank all that responded to my first post.
The popping is the (virtually gone) front spring bushings. Now:

* The rattle at 2500+RPM has proved difficult to track.

* It can be produced in neutral or in gear. I don't think it is engine
  related because its worse in 2wd/hubs locked than any other combination.

* All fluids are at max. I'm hoping that it may just be some loose linkage
  on a lever or something. Any more suggestions??

  On a more positive note I drove 100 miles w/ no trouble this weekend. About
  25 miles of very fun offroad, treading lightly of course.

                              -Rgds,
                               Joseph     '67 ser IIa 88....."Sidney"

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Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 21:33:04 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@CC.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: Movie Alert!

The movie was Delta Force II.  It featured a chase scene with IIAs and
some 109 Ser III.  Lots of action.  Stars were Chuck Norris and it is only
about 1991, so it is up to date as it were.  Dave VE4PN
On Tue, 6 Sep 1994
JFisk1120@aol.com wrote:

> The other day someone mentioned another movie that had alot of Rovers in it.
>  Does anyone remember what it was?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
> Springfield, Missouri
> '64 Land Rover IIA
> '91 Range Rover County 

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Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 21:39:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@CC.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: LOCKED WHEELS

I don't think you want to run with only one hub on for very long.  It is
very hard on the differential.  I also run Warn locking hubs, and they are
easy to overhaul.  Just take out the bolts and wash out the old goo and
put in fresh grease.  Bits of sand get on the scroll area and they don't
want to slide in and out.  Dave VE4PN
X

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Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 21:50:53 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@CC.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: carb question

Re the Rochester.  I run one with a #48 Jet or at least solder drilled out
to #48 jet and it works very well.  Good milage perhaps 16 and you can get
them from old 1952 Chevy engines etc.  Lots of them around.  Dave VE4PN

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Date: Wed, 7 Sep 94 20:36:06 PDT
From: Vance Chin <vance@xnet.ssl.Berkeley.Edu>
Subject: Re: PORTLAND ABFM

	Sorry TeriAnn for not being there when you broke your transmisson,
that's what driving together is supposed to be for.  I too had a great
time at the portland event.  I spent the right amount of money (had
just enough cash for gas).  Bought some cool stickers,  tail light 
lenses,  and books.  The offroad course was excellent since it was
made from a motocross track!  My series III managed to go around 6
times with Ron my friend, James Russell, and myself taking turns
driving.  My side step did not make it though,  it got torn loose from
it's mountings.
	Hope to see you all next weekend at the Palo Alto meet for
some more rovering.

Vance Chin     Series III 88

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Subject: re: Bill and Ben's excellent Adventure
Date: Wed, 07 Sep 1994 20:55:25 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu>

Subject: Ben & Bill's Excellent Adventure

This is why I got back and wrote to the net before Bill could.  
That way I could get in a first impression before Bill clouded 
everything. :)

>As I neared the top I saw a fairly sharp rock imbedded in the 
>trail.  There was no way around it.  I was just about to reach 
>the rock when I began to loose traction.  Ben was carefully 
>spotting me and I followed his hand signs, but I was sure I was 
>going to lose a tire to that rock.  
     The bedrock protruded at this point in the loose rock trail, 
causeing a foot or two high ledge across most of the trail.  A 
larde boulder restricted movement on the left side.   The path 
between the two was narrower than out 88s, and bended to the 
right.  Putting the right tyre slightly on the bed rock, was the 
key to get through.  I was easier going up than down.

>After we talked for awhile, the most drunken yahoo (the one who 
>had been blowing his horn the whole time he was in his vehicle) 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>different trail... SPLOOOOSHHH!  I turned around and where is 
>Ben????  Going nowhere fast in the bottom of the mud pit.  
     I had just seen the Land Cruiser go through twice.  So it 
had to be passible.  Not the way I went.  1 inch line and another 
Rover got me out.

>It was clear the going down was far more difficult than going up 
>and Ben waved me off to another trail to the left.  First low, 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>bottom well ahead of Ben.  His section was really difficult, but 
>he navigated it with no breaks or dings.  
     Going down is much worse than up.  Gravity is working 
against you and you can't see a bloody thing past the tyre on the 
hood.  I got down the bedrock place, flying mostly blind, and 
gently easing my 88 by using the breaks and not the engine.  My 
rear bumper hit the bedrock as I went down (I have a diamond 
plate bumper thing welded on instead of a rear crossmember.  2 
owners ago did it.) and my tail pipe it, causing it to crack 
flush with the muffler.  Luck for me I just got it inspected, so 
I don't have to fix it until July.

>I wonder when Ben will turn to make the well used crossing 
>point then realize that he is continuing upstream!  
>As Ben heads upstream to spawn I run back to my Rover to get 
>ahead of him.  I find him a few feet from the seldom used exit 
>point in the river stopped dead.  
     I was having fun, the stream has a small rock bottom and was 
getting shallower.  Just short of shore it died for no apparent 
reason (it was only a foot deep here)

>I have to admit that winch sure came in handy.  However, 
>watching Ben spool the cable back using his fingers around the 
>drum seemed like kind of a drag.  I'll bet that with a working 
>controller that winch could be downright useful. 
     My controller was stolen along with the winch kit.  I get a 
new controller when I get a job.  Until then I have to improvise.  
Last I heard RN wanted $50-$75 for the controller.

Benjamin Smith
ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu
1972 Land Rover SIII 88 w/o a working clutch

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Subject: Clutch, so far no luck
Date: Wed, 07 Sep 1994 20:57:53 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu>

     Thanks to all on the advice for the sticking clutch.  So far 
I've tried putting it in 1st low and surging the engine with the 
clutch down and surging the engine and then slamming on the 
breaks.  No luck so far.  I've gotten a lot of strange looks from 
the other people in the parking lot though.  Tomorrow Dad and I 
will try again.  If all fails, I've got 1 inch line and I find a 
tree on a quite side street.
     As for the wading plug.  I don't have one.  I've never had 
one.  Until just before the trip willl Bill I'd never heard of 
the damn thing.  Now I know.  Something else to buy.  Maybee I'll 
just take a piece of rubber and make a temporary stopper to plug 
the hole.  (Assuming I can get the clutch/pressure plate/flywheel 
to break free)

Benjamin Smith
ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu
1972 Land Rover SIII 88 that once moving can't stop (with out 
dying.  Maybe I should rename it "shark")

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Subject: Re: quick brake fluid question...
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Wed, 07 Sep 94 22:08:59 -0500

"The X Window System: A VMS for the 90s" <brandenberg@wrksys.enet.dec.com> writes:

> To answer my own question....  New packaging confused me.  The
> old stuff was also GTLMA, just with the bits moved around.
> Damned marketing people just can't leave things alone....  :-)

        Speaking of brake fluid, I have this nice virgin hydraulic system
        before me in the little earth pig.  Now to fill with LMA, or go
        for the silicon stuff...

        Rgds,

        Dixon

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry,            |    Ottawa Valley Land Rovers
Nepean, Ontario, Canada       |    1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean
(OVLR's InterNet site)        |    Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4

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Subject: Re: Land Rovers and charging rhinos...
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Wed, 07 Sep 94 22:14:16 -0500

"TeriAnn Wakeman" <twakeman@apple.com> writes:

> OH OH!!!
> I guess this means the courts will throw out my copyright to that phrase.

        You should have gone for the elephants...  The second part about
        screwdrivers and crescent wrenches... Well, Off hand I am not sure
        yet, but somewhere I have seen that used too.  Maybe in a review of
        the vehicle in an old car magazine.  You might not have originated
        the phrase, but who cares that you don't get to take Ophra for a
        109 ride, you may still end up with the credit when the credits
        roll...

        Rgds,

        Dixon

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry,            |    Ottawa Valley Land Rovers
Nepean, Ontario, Canada       |    1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean
(OVLR's InterNet site)        |    Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4

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