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Date: Sun, 4 Sep 1994 10:19:31 +0200 (METDST)
From: S|ren Vels Christensen <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
Subject: Constable L. Rover

I turned the TV on this morning and switched to CNN. There was a report from
Northern Ireland showing (among other things) an armoured one-ten used by, i 
think, UDR. 
It's very similar to the grey ones used by the constabulary. Looked quite 
heavy. This is the type of vehicle i would like for commuting. NOBODY will
shoot in front of it and hit the brakes to get an advantage at the 
intersection. 
I wonder what kind of engine it has. Does any of you brits know anything?

yours

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Date: Sun, 4 Sep 94 14:11:44 EDT
From: "The X Window System: A VMS for the 90s" <brandenberg@wrksys.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Re: Land Rovers and charging rhinos...

>        I was going through some old issues of the ALROC magazine
>        Transfer Box and came across a small reprint of a Land Rover
>        advert. from the early mid 1060's.  In the advert they state
>        that the Land Rover was designed to withstand a charging
>        rhino.  

But not the Norman Invasion?  Sorry, couldn't resist...

monty

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: Constable L. Rover
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 1994 12:49:50 -0600 (MDT)

Soren "Lawrence of Arabia" Vels writes:
 
< I turned the TV on this morning and switched to CNN. There was a report from
< Northern Ireland showing (among other things) an armoured one-ten used by, i 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
< shoot in front of it and hit the brakes to get an advantage at the 
< intersection. 

Personally I think LRs lose a bit of their glamour when armoured.  I'd
rather have one of those sexy Fox or Ferret scout cars for commuting.

Seriously, though, LRs went through several stages of armoured
development for use in Northern Ireland.  The Army originally brought
in Ser IIs with Vehicle Protection Kits (VPK).  The first armoured LRs
used by the RUC (Royal Ulster Constabulary) were Ser III, known as
Hotspurs.  In the mid 1980s, based on 15 years experience with add-on VPKs,
the Army introduced the purpose-designed LR Armoured Patrol Vehicle
(APV).  The RUC gradually replaced its Hotspurs with 110 APVs known as
the Tangi.  In the late 1980s, the "definitive" APV LR, known as the
Simba, was introduced.

The RUC B-Specials force was discredited by their performance in the
sectarian violence of 1969.  They were replaced by the local part-time
Army Ulster Defence Regiment (UDR).  The UDR also had credibility
problems since the minority Catholics were soon weeded out by
intimidation.  In 1992 the UDR was merged into the regular Royal Irish
Rangers, and the whole new unit re-styled Royal Irish Regiment.  If
the IRA unilateral cease-fire really catches on, the former UDR
battalions of the RIR will most likely be disbanded.  The UDR had over
400 Land Rovers, most of them VPKs (but some APVs).  Of course, other
regular Army units on rotation in Ulster service are also equipped
with APVs.

Engines?  I don't know, but I would guess there were no special
modifications to the VPKs.  Robin and the Anglo-Canadian gang probably
can say a lot more about that.

T. F. Mills                                              tomills@du.edu
University of Denver Library  2150 E. Evans Ave.  Denver  CO 80208  USA

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Date: Sun, 4 Sep 1994 13:55:04 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@CC.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: Constable L. Rover

On the question of oil pressure drop when you brake hard.  I have a
rebuilt 88 with 2000 miles on it.  The pressure spring and ball were
replaced and the seat was honed.  At idle it runs about 60 lbs and at 50
MPH about 60 lbs.  The gauge is very accurate and the machine burns no
oil.  All specs were plastigauged and are within factory.  When I stop
suddenly with the oil at the H level on the stick, I get about a 10 lb.
drop in pressure.  If I have the oil at the L level on the stick, it will
go almost to "0" on the gauge but I don't hear any valve noise nor does
the light come on.  I have had 8 Land Rovers and they all perform about
the same way with good engines.  In short I don't think there is anything
to worry about.  Land Rover says the H mark is for heavy driving while the
L is OK for light driving etc.  Of course the Min. level is just that.  By
the way, I have installed vaccuum gauges on all my vehicles, and in this
Land Rover I run 20" of Hg. at idle.  I also use an electric fuel pump to
save a little HP and it is quieter.  I have used a diesel crank in this
block because it is stronger, and for those who have older machines and
are having problems finding bearings to fit the crank with the tab on the
proper side, you can easily modify your block with a dremmel tool to
accept the shells with the tab on the "wrong" side.  I have also modified
my engine to take the deeper thermostat housing on the older head.  It
seems to cool better.  I used the longer oil filler tube used on late IIA
and III engines and of course to use a different head I used the engine
chain cover meant for the deeper head.  My next modification will be to
use an electric fan in place of the regulation one and not only will I put
in the thermostat for the fan, but I will install a bypass switch so when
in deep water, I can turn the fan off so as not to splash my engine.  I
have just finished installing diamond plate on the front bumper between
the bumper and the trim panel so my winch will have a "bed" rather than
sitting on the bumper as it were.  I run 6 lights on the front.  Two in
the wings Ser III style and two in the rad frame Ser II style as well as
two driving beams behind the winch on the trim plate.  Don't do this
unless you install an alternator or your battery isn't going to like it
one bit. :) :)
Dave VE4PN

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: club functions/lro mail volume
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 1994 14:58:34 -0600 (MDT)

I rather like Benjamin Smith's idea:

< At every event that I go to, I'm going to 
< post a sign on my windshield that says:
< lro@team.net
< ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu
none

I would suggest that this is the sort of function the club could take
on.  (I am in another net group that has developed such an esprit de
corps that it is having t-shirts made.)  Rather than having permanent
club officers (other than listowner Bill, who does a great job),
special projects would require ad hoc committees.  To produce an
autosticker with club name and net address would require a coordinator
to solicit designs and manage the production and distribution
logistics, etc., and a panel of judges to choose the best design on
behalf of the group.

A slightly related topic:
As message traffic increases in this group, I am for the first time
deleting some without reading them.  I read less than 10% of some
other groups.  Since many people read selectively, the SUBJECT LINE
becomes all important.  A word to the wise:  if you want the right
people to read your message, be sure that the subject line really
describes your message (rather than being left over from an unrelated
thread).

That's another 2 cents.  (I think I've spent 4 now.)

T. F. Mills                                              tomills@du.edu
University of Denver Library  2150 E. Evans Ave.  Denver  CO 80208  USA

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Subject: Re:  Bull Bars/LR Safety
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 94 9:27:12 NZT
From: Hugh Grierson <hugh@nezsdc.fujitsu.co.nz>

> I agree especially about the bullbars -- I have never seen them to be useful
> for anything but appearance.

Subject to taste I guess.   I've decided that they spoil the fine lines
of the IIA and pulled them off last summer.  Especially with the hard
top off it looks a lot more balanced without the bullbars.

They make a good coat rack in my garage.

[Sorry if you get too many copies of this John, my, er, my mailer is
playing up.  Yeah, that's it, my mailer.]

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Date:         Sun, 04 Sep 94 18:43:22 LCL
From: Joseph Broach <PC7170@UTKVM1.UTK.EDU>
Subject:      Req: Info on Capstan PTO Winch

Hi,

      I promise this is my last post including winch questions, but I went
through some very tricky terrain today and was wishing for that winch on the
front around every bend. Someone mentioned a Capstan PTO winch on a previous
request and I wondered if anyone could give me more info on it. Distributor/
Price info would be most helpful. Thanks as always!!

                            -Rgds,
                             Joseph    '67 ser IIa 88"...."Sidney"

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From: Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au>
Subject: Help!!!
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 94 10:27:34 EST

HELP!!!!!!!!
        I am not sure if my mailer is working properly, as I upgraded the 
HP here at work on Friday night, and I have not recieved any mail from the
list since.  I was expecting to find stacks of mail this morning, as I was
not at work on friday, but to my distress, I had no mail from the list, only
some mail from Jeff Berg, about the images I asked for a while ago.
Am I going insane??????

        I also managed to tow start my diesel on the weekend, but it is way
out of tune, and you could not see past the bonnet for all the white smoke
(Unburnt diesel) that was coming from the exhaust.  So I tuned it Sunday,
and it blew less smoke, way less smoke, but I could not keep it running.
It looks like the person that rebuilt the motor, did not quite put the timing
gear in, in the right position, so does any-one out there have any experiance
at fiddling with the timing gear?

Extreamly anxiously waiting any reply or mail from the list what so ever!!!!

==============================================================================
Craig Murray                                            1955 Series 1 86"
LROC of Victoria Australia                              2.25 diesel (Soon!)
email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au

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Subject: Weekend jaunt/clutch woes
Date: Sun, 04 Sep 1994 21:31:27 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu>

     Well Bill Maloney and I had an interesting Saturday of 
offroading.  It was mostly up and then down steep hills of loose 
rock and bedrock.  A few times I couldn't believe we actually 
wound our way though the larger boulders without damaging our 
Rovers.  
     Once we got up near the top we found some flatter and 
mudholes.  At about this time some locals showed up with a pair 
of Land Cruisers, ATVs and a tricked out pickup.  They invited us 
to join them.  I had just seen one of the Land Cruisers negotiate 
a ~30 foot long mud hole/puddle and they challenged me to try it.   
Pride goeth before a fall.  I figured that if the Land Cruiser 
could do it, then my Rover could.  Bill was much wiser than me 
and didn't try it.  I went in, got all four wheel in and came to 
a stop leaning to the port side.  Both wheels on the left side 
were completely submerged.  And I had no traction.  I got out and 
noticed that the springs and differential had dragged on the 
slope into the puddle.  
     To make a long story short Bill pulled me out, but not until 
my engine died and refused to start.

Lessons learned:
1)never accept a challenge from a local when in unfamiliar 
territory.
2)never go offroading without the winch controller.  (I would 
have been out in <5 minutes instead of the 20 to 30 it took)

     The rest of the day went ok until the end.  To get into and 
out of this area required fording a stream that was about a foot 
deep, about 40 feet across and had a rocky bottom.  We took some 
pictures fording the stream.  I was last to cross and decided to 
keep going up stream.  The engine died for some unexplained 
reason 6 feet from where I was to come out.  I got pulled out 
again.
     The worst part of all of this, is that I drive home and all 
was ok.  When I went out to use the Rover this morning, the 
clutch and the flywheel would not separate.  It feels like this 
clutch master cylinder is doing something, but if I turn the 
ignition with the clutch down and the tranny in gear the starter 
moves the Rover.  If I put it in neutral and start it, I grind 
trying to get into gear (with the clutch down).  Any ideas out 
there?  Any "Fixes" without pulling the tranny?

Benjamin Smith
ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu

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Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 00:31:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@CC.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: Land Rovers and charging rhinos...

If you really want to see a good movie with lots of Land Rovers, watch
Delta Force II.  There is a scene where a 109 hits a jeep at high speed
and doesn't look like it even dinted the Rover but the Jeep was toast. 
Lots of action and the good guys win. :)  Dave VE4PN

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Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 00:36:56 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@CC.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: Req: Info on Capstan PTO Winch

The capstan is not a great winch.  Some of the boys up here had them and
took them off.  The only make sense if you want to carry 100 feet of
heavy 1" rope on your vehicle.  You have to get out and wrap the rope around
a bollard type top like on a ship.  You control the feed with the pressure
you apply to the rope allowing the rope to slip or bite in.  There is a
sheer pin in the drive from the bull nose pulley that will let go long
before you pull a really stuck Rover out of dust.  Save you money and buy
a drum winch.  There was a capstan winch for sale up here for the longest
time at about $100 and no one would touch it.  It is great for the
restoration nuts but not practicle.  Try a good 12 volt golf cart motor on
 a drum or better still a diesel starting motor or big aircraft type with
a drum and you will be a lot happier.  Lots of Land Rover books show the
winch so it isn't hard to see what they look like.  No North American
vehicle I know of ever came with one because they are next to useless
unless it is for pulling out your boat etc.  Dave VE4PN
On Sun, 4 Sep 1994,
Joseph Broach wrote:

> Hi,
>       I promise this is my last post including winch questions, but I went
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>                             -Rgds,
>                              Joseph    '67 ser IIa 88"...."Sidney"

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Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 00:55:29 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@CC.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: Req: Info on Capstan PTO Winch

I hope I won't get flamed for this question but in 1970s I used to kayak a
lot in Western Canada using my Ser I.  I found a kayak called a Folbot
built from plans that fit the roof just right.  I need a set of plans to
build another one of them so I can introduce my son to Land Roving in the
mountains with light boats.  Can anyone sell, copy, trade etc a set of
these plans.  They were plywood frame and Nugahyde (sp) covered.  For
anyone else who like this sort of boating, I found that with a safari roof
rack I could get it up on the rack single handed by walking on the bonnet
and it seemed the right length for a short 88 unlike lots of "normal"
boats. Dave VE4PN

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From: Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au>
Subject: Re: Help & Land Rover Club
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 94 16:17:00 EST

Hi all,
        I am back on the list now, but I have missed the last couple of days
mail!!!!!!!  Has there been any talk about making the list into a Land Rover
club, and if so could any one mail me what has been written, as I have kept
everything on the subject thus far! and would like to get all correspondence
on the matter, no-matter how stupid or idiodic the mail was, so If some one
could reply I would be eternally thankfull.

==============================================================================
Craig Murray                                            1955 Series 1 86"
LROC of Victoria Australia                              2.25 diesel (Soon!)
email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au

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Subject: Re: Land Rovers and charging rhinos...
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Sun, 04 Sep 94 23:18:33 -0500

"The X Window System: A VMS for the 90s" <brandenberg@wrksys.enet.dec.com> writes:

> >        I was going through some old issues of the ALROC magazine
> >        Transfer Box and came across a small reprint of a Land Rover
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> >        rhino.  
> But not the Norman Invasion?  Sorry, couldn't resist...

        Nope.  Harold was worried about problems with the wildlife,
        troublesome people up in the north, and figured that William and
        his friends (forerunners of the Volvo conglomerate since they were
        Viking decendents and not French) was just blowing hot air. (Much
        like ads for Renault and Peugeot)   Of course, there were the very
        early editions that featured wooden wheels and generaly were
        underpowered, being rated at one horsepower.  They did have very
        good off-road capabilities, but the basic design had not really
        changed since Bodecia made use of them, successfully for a time,
        against the forerunners of the Fiat conglomerate.

        Rgds,

        Dixon

        (So much for trying to get around explaining a typo... :-))

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry,            |    Ottawa Valley Land Rovers
Nepean, Ontario, Canada       |    1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean
(OVLR's InterNet site)        |    Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4

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