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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 08:47:26 UNDEFINED

Why am I suddenly getting a digest?

Is everyone else? Or have I done something to annoy someone..........

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From: "Ian Stuart, Faculty" <IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 08:39:56 +0000
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

->I think that the yellow 88 on the front has occupied that spot once 
->before. Will have to check back on that one.
I don't have the magazine handy, but I think you're refering to the issue 
where they discuss green-laning (that one was an R-reg)

->page 194, Vincent Hammersley states: "the greatest quantity of Defenders 
->built in one year was 56,000 in 1970...."  WRONG , WRONG and WRONG again. 
->
->Defenders are a coil sprung vehicle, in 1970 no one had thought up the 
->ghastly name. it really bugs me when Land Rover, and dont forget that 
->Vincent Hammersley is one of the top pr peole at Lode lane, try and ride 
->the suceess of the the "Defender " on top of the IMHO sometimes better 
->quality older series of vehicle. They make some outlandish calims to 
->production figures these days, like "To date Land Rover has produced 
->nearly two million vehicles and DEFENDER accounts for more than 1.5 
->million of these."
Yes, that bugged me too!

->Whilst reading International Off Roader, yes I write for them aswell, so 
->I do have an interest, there has been lively coverage of the "BULL BAR" 
->debate going on  in the UK that has been for the most part kept fairly 
->low in profile in LRO.
->
->it seems that the traffic boffins say that bull bars do lotsa more injury 
->to pedestrians in accidents, they are not "soft" etc etc. So they should 
->be pulled and banned etc. One wise person asked roufully what about the 
->18 wheelers? they are pretty unfriendly to pedestrians too!
They say that a 4x4 with bull-bars does more damage at 10mph that a normal 
vehicle does at 25mph. I would have to agree: ANY 4x4 is going to do more 
damage that a normal car, bull-bars or not :-)

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Query on L/R product development / Safety research
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 09:06:35 UNDEFINED

>From riding in some of their vehicles, I wouldn't have thought Land Rover
had given safety much thought :-)

I am quite happy with em. Especialy their design philosophy no crumple-zones. 
They build em into the other car.

The farmers on Anglesey are about as brain dead as its possible to be and 
still be calles anthropoid. One in a 110 pulled out in front of one of teh 
biggest Volvo estates (cant remember the model number - I have my pride....),
 tanking along teh road at fair lick.

The 110 was T-boned amidships. It was badly dented. Looked like several hours 
in teh barn with a hammer to fix it. The Volvo was only recognisable as such 
from teh turret backwards.

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Newsgroup opinion.. (No, please)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 09:13:54 UNDEFINED

/I'd have to agree with John and TeriAnn, the potential for people to
/bombard us with junk mail would probably be enough for myself and
/probably many others to leave this "oasis home" for Land Rover owners.

I read rec.motorcycles, one of teh noisiest groups around. Actually all the 
flaming adn polemical close-combat can be fun. But even if I cant e bothered 
with it, it's no great hardship to simply wipe the threads that have turned 
noisy. Same with mail.

/As it is, I (as well as you all, I'm sure) get WELL OVER 100 e-mail
/messages per day, even the 50 or so we got from the LRO list yesterday
/was a bit heavy, although now, in digest mode, it's easier to manage.
/I've only visited some of the "open" newsgroups on occasion, and from
/what I've seen, don't care to have any part of it.

I actually get about teh saem. But most of tehse are noise from mailing lists. 
Few are hatemail from rec.motorcycles. It doesnt seem to be a problem in real 
life. 

Also I now find myself on the digest. Which means I have to plough thru 
the whole damned thing to pick out teh info, instead of being able to simply 
ignore threads that done interest me. There are big advantages to getting lots 
of individual messages over one huge one, if your newsreader has  a 
thread-mode... (I use Trumpet on a PC)

/I WOULD however, like to see us organized, or united by a name. Yes, we

HAH!!!!! I thought lorry owners were individualists. "I am not a number. I am 
a free man."

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Newsgroup? Bio, thanks from BP
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 09:18:56 UNDEFINED

> The problem is, I'm not sure how to go about creating the newsgroup.  I 
> guess it's easier to create groups in the alt. hierachy, but I think with 
> some sort of a vote it would be possible to create a rec. group.
/
/        Alt is easy.  Rec requires a vote.

Alt would be preferable for me. Since our newsswerver expires all rec. groups 
every midnight, so it misses 3/4 of teh posts. It would mean I have to 
download via a foreign site, just to keep up with you lot's collected wisdom :(

I dont see any fundamental problem with a newsgroup as such, but for my own 
convenience I am happy with the mailing list.

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: UNIMOG mayhem
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 09:24:59 UNDEFINED

/onto the street - good aim! This performance must have given a wrong 
/conception to someone about how to properly negotiate uphill in mud, 
/because suddenly we hear a deafening roar behind us somewhere, and 
/there comes this UNIMOG "ActionMobil" expedition rig sort of thing 
/tearing across the premises, its stacks blowin' thick black like it was 
/the Rubber Duck out of "Convoy", flinging mud, grass & cowchips all 
/over the place, enters the muddy part and... skids out of control,
/flattens a (fortunately empty) VW Jetta parked alongside the entry,
/crashes through the fence sideways, skids across the street and 
//continues backwards into an orchard where it collects a few young 
/apple trees in its path. You should've seen the kids applauding, it was 
/better than the movies! Lateron when damage assessment and recovery was 
/in progress you could see this guy fumbling through the manual of his
/h-u-g-e  Warner winch - he had never used it before! And as for the 
/skidding part, someone took the trouble to explain to him a) what a 
/locking central differential was, b) how and when to use it, and c) that 
/his rig was actually equipped with one. Well, that's UNIMOG drivers for you. 
/Finally, to give this narrative a clear Rover purport, let me
/finish by saying that not a single one of the Land Rovers got
/stuck or even had a wheel slip on that part.

It was the drivers, not teh MOG. T he SAS play with these things in the hills 
behind where I live. After they've been thru in a MOG, you simply cant ever 
use that road again with anything else..........

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Bull Bars/LR Safety
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 94 11:23:23 BST

Just my two pennorth on these subjects.
Safety.I have heard an eminent accident inspector say that the best
safety device in his opinion would be a bloody great spike fixed to
the centre of the steering wheel pointing at the driver.I must say
I agree with him.The most dangerous thing about a lot of vehicles
is IMO,the driver.Surrounded with "fail safe" devices he regards
himself as immortal.Only too often he realises this is a fallacy
far too late.I'm just grateful my crumple zones are other peoples.
Your safety,in my view(which I dont expect many folk to share)is
your own responsibility.There is no substitute for skill in any
field.The greater the skill,the safer you are.And frankly,I'd
rather be in my old 11A than any Euro/Jap crap vehicle surrounded
by so called "safety devices" any or all of which are potential
failures.
As for Bull Bars,well, personally I dont rate 'em.I fail to see
the advantage in driving around with a field gate bolted to my
front bumper.Hit something and it bends back causing far more
damage to its parent vehicle than if it wasnt there in the first
place.HOWEVER,isnt it about time that pedestrains were told to
keep *off* the road in the first place.Not only do we have all
this hoo-haa about Bull Bars,there was also a suggestion by
the good Mr Thomas in LRO that we drive around with our headlamps
on all day so that we could be easily seen,presumably by jaywalking
shortsighted jerks.If the twerps cant see a Land Rover,for god's sake
lit up or not,they shouldnt be out without a nanny.And sitting up
where I am I can see *them* (and the nanny's legs)a damned sight earlier
than if I was in a "soft" soft? vehicle with my arse two inches from
the road.
I submit that the bottom line is this."Safety" is a double edged sword.
By promoting it,quite rightly in my view,we try to make people more
aware of danger,and to protecr them therefrom.*Is* there such a word?
BUT,and its a big but,overdo it and you either induce panic,ie you
actually frighten some people(not A Good Thing)or you destroy the
inbuilt sense of danger.Another Bad Thing.Example.When I was a kid,
I knew that if a strtch of stream I was mucking about in appeared still
it was deep.A no-go area.No-one told me.They didnt have to.I also knew
that if I went home with wet socks inside my wellies I would get a thick
ear.Its called safety training.Nowadays kids get drowned because there is
no notice saying"this is deep water,dont get wet socks".Simply because
we have overdone the safety thing.I say nothing against making the world
safer,but at some stage someone is going to have to have the courage to
point out that whatever the efforts its still a dangerous place,AND ALWAYS
WILL BE.
OK,we all drive a fairly bis,hefty machine.The older ones have nothing in
the way of safety devices,so they are very "hands on".We also know that
if we clout anything a)It causes grief to the cloutee,and b)The clouter
is going to have to mend it him(or her)self.Even leaving aside any sense
of responsibility we have to the rest of the human race,thats a pretty
good incentive for responsible driving.In fact,I would suggest its 98%
of all you need.The other 2%,safety devices right left and centre are
I suggest at best,not cost effective,and at worst counterproductive.
Sorry if I've "gone on" a bit about this,my excuse is that three weeks
ago I saw a direct result of this overprotective(if that's the right
word)attitude.A tipping tanker was unloading 25 tons of sand about
30 yards from my office.It was an artic,and the tank was nearly vertical.
I'd seen these in action for the best part of the week,and stayed well
clear of them when they were like that.They didnt *look* right.
On the Thursday there was a groaning crunch.The tank had fallen over.
Unfortunately,a woman was walking right alongside it at the time.It
killed her.The argument afterwards was that the area in question should
have been coned off.Perhaps so,in today's climate,but I still maintain
that poor woman would still be alive today if her sense of danger hadnt
been atrophied by the safety experts.
I've a feeling I've bored you enough,and probably enraged some of you
so I've got my fireproof suit on(or perhaps I should rely on ducking):-)
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Fri, 02 Sep 1994 07:36:18 -0400
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: UNIMOG FOR SALE

Sefan writes:

none
...because suddenly we hear a deafening roar behind us somewhere, and there 
comes this UNIMOG "ActionMobil" expedition rig sort of thing tearing across 
the premises, its stacks blowin' thick black like it was the Rubber Duck out 
of "Convoy", flinging mud, grass & cowchips all over the place, enters the 
muddy part and... skids out of control, flattens a (fortunately empty) VW 
Jetta parked alongside the entry, crashes through the fence sideways, skids 
across the street and continues backwards into an orchard where it collects a 
few young apple trees in its path... 
none

You too can indulge in Unimog Madness as there is one for sale on RT 1 in 
Hampton, New Hampshire, USA.  It's military green, has an open load bed and a 
rather tattered canvas top.  The price was $5000 the last time I looked, but 
if you're serious about it you could offer a bit less because it's been there 
at least 6 years (I havn't the slightest idea of what these things go for).  
It must run because I have seen it in different positions over the course of a 
couple of days.  On close inspection the vehicle is not that extraordinary.  
Solid axles, leaf springs, and no special diff attachments.  Maybe it's not a 
UNIMOG after all but it does have the same cab shape, wheel style, and it is a 
Mercedes.

Personally, it's not my cup of tea as LRs are what get's my blood going.

FWIW

Bill

maloney@wings.attmail.com

Wayne, NJ USA

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Date: Fri, 02 Sep 1994 08:19:57 -0400
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Denis's Doofy Dipstick Doings

Gentle Steve Writes: 

none
...btw i'm typing "Righty only" 'cause i opened up a hot radiator for laughs 
and giggles...didn't find either......
none

Don't believe him for a minute!!!  You can be sure that if he stuck his paw 
somewhere it didn't belong, it certainly wasn't on a radiator cap!!!

none
the early S2 trans has a smaller layshaft....so if that is perceived to be a 
problem for you due to breakage, stop now and hit delete.... in concert with 
this,the input shaft with gear and the counter gear are a different ratio 
than the "B" and later trans. So,ifin' ya put the late input shaft and 
matching counter gear in an early trans,you get a lower 1st,2nd,and 3rd 
gear...!!!!!(4th,being "direct", stays the same) Cool! you can now get that 
109sw started on a hill in high range! 
none

I have a Series III main box and an early suffix A (Smaller intermediate 
shaft) in my 109.  On the road the 109 is geared much taller (7.5R 16s) than 
my 88 (235 70R 15s)  I know that the tires have a lot to do with this but I 
wonder if the diff ratios are different (2.25 gas w/Salisbury rear end). 

Anyway, when I use the low range on the 109 it is noticeably lower than the 
88 in low range with smaller tires.  I just recently finished building a late 
IIA main and early suffix A transfer for my 88.  Next spring or summer I'll 
put it in and see how it works.  

If you can get an early transfer as a spare it will make a good project for 
the winter to rebuild.  Aside from that big mother snap ring and the front 
(or is it rear) bearing race that's tricky to remove, it's not too difficult 
(just be sure to follow the manual and not get ahead of yourself) and fairly 
rewarding.  Parts are a bit scarce in the US and you may want to try 
Merseyside or Craddock if something you need is unavailable here. 

Bill 

malonet@wings.attmail.com 

Wayne, NJ USA 

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Date: Fri, 02 Sep 1994 09:03:29 -0400
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Busy Rover Event Schedule

This fall in the northeast US there is quite a lot going on: 

September 16-18, Stowe VT - British Invasion - expect about a dozen Land 
Rovers (hundreds of other Brit makes) (802-253-2106) Ben & I should be there 
on Saturday

September 24, Gladstone NJ - Shoot Out at the OK Corral - It's a Jag meet, but 
all British cars are invited.  Ben and I might crash it (908-369-4654) 

September 30-Oct 2, Miles Standish Park, MA (?) - Bay State Rovers Fall 
Heritage Tour (sorry, I don't have a number for Jim).  I'll be there, and 
maybe Ben too

c/o Jim Pappas
P.O. Box 342
North Scituate, MA, 02060

October 7-10, Virginia - Mid Atlantic Land Rover Rally  (804-423-4898) -a must 
do for all

October 15, Dover NJ - MG Marque Day at Moss motors - all British cars are 
invited (201-361-9358) I may or may not be there depending on my vacation 
schedule - I'd like to go to Mt. Desert Island this fall.

Bill 

malonet@wings.attmail.com 

Wayne, NJ USA 

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Date: Fri, 02 Sep 1994 11:02:38 EDT
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: Mid Atlantic Rally

Trying to get all our ducks in a row for the outing, including a liscense
from the state alcoholic beverage control board.  Seems that a liscense is
going to cost more than the beer...and then we can't sell it even as a
non-profit organization...we have to *give* it away.  (...distant cheers
heard from Ontario....)  We're going to have a keg of pilsner and one of
porter from a new local micro-brewery, "Legendary Brewing"  Sounds just
about right...

Has anyone replaced a headlight with a halogen sealed beam?  I'm still
running with *original* (i.e., 22 yr old) Lucas bulbs that, according to
one of the Ottawa crew, serve more to warn on coming motorists than
actually illuminate the right of way.  Even with a pair of 150w driving
lamps for off-road, I could still use a bit more that the feeble brown
light of the Lucas'.  A year or so ago, I went to the auto parts store and
bought a set of Phillips "7 inch" halogen headlights, but these would no
fit the 7 inch bezel of the Rover.  Suggestions?

    *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----*
    |                                                      |
    |  Sandy Grice,  Rover Owners' Association of Virginia |
    |  E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com       FAX: 804-622-7056 |
    |  Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days)  804-423-4898 (Evenings) |
    |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA   |
    *------------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 12:08:04 -0400
From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>

Hey you west coasters out there-

Anyone know of rover freak by the name of David Haseman??
Was speaking to the British Pacific folks the other day
tracking down some history of my dear Nigel (a '60 SII
88 who was born and raised in the CA sun) and they told
me that David was the guy who once "put alot of work"
(synonous with $$$$$) into him.  Supposedly, he live(s,d?)
in the Pasedena area.  If you know of or meet up with him,
please thank him for me and let him know danige is alive
and well on the "right" coast (as viewed from up-over).

thanks,
rd/nigel

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Date: Fri, 02 Sep 1994 09:43:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Randy Rose 818-395-3840 <RSROSE@ROMEO.CALTECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: oil pressure loss

Jory writes:

In a similar (though contrasting) vein, I was recently on my bi-weekly 1.5
hour highway commute, when I noticed my oil pressure drop to 0!!! I
immediately turned off my engine, and coasted about 2.5 miles to an exit
(amazing luck to have this happen at the top of a hill). (SNIP AND CUT) It
turned out the mechanical oil gauge feed tube had broken, and the oil was
spilling out this tube. 

     				***

Sounds familiar!  Goes like this: was driving one night last year.
My feet were getting warm (OK nothing too unusual).  Then I smelled
oil.  Then my feet felt wet.  Hey!, wait a minute, what's going on!

High pressure hose to the dual gauge broke, just behind the gauge, in
the dash.  Still haven't got the smell of out the jute in the 
upholstery.

Randy

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Date: Fri, 2 Sep 94 10:00:03 PDT
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re: Query on L/R product development / Safety research

To give Land Rover credit, there was a mesage on this list some time ago
about a video which showed the testing they went through (done in Australia,
I think) to make sure the airbags wouldn't go off accidentally in off-road
hammering in the Discovery.

I too think safety as such has been somewhat of an afterthought at Land Rover,
but by happy accident it is built in and they now capitalize on it! Things
like the 14 gauge steel box section frame and the biggest brakes in the business
don't hurt.

John Brabyn
89RR

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Date: Fri, 2 Sep 94 10:06:15 PDT
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re:  Bull Bars/LR Safety

I agree especially about the bullbars -- I have never seen them to be useful
for anything but appearance. The same applies to the ridiculous headlight
and taillight protectors sold as accessories -- the chances are you then have to
to pay for new "protectors" AND new taillights if they get hit. Also, has
anyone tried working oin an engine in a bullbar equipped vehicle -- I would
think it would entail a lot of leaning over and reaching.

These statements are slightly tongue in cheek -- but I'd be interested to
know if anyone has found bullbars/brushbars to be useful? I am willing
to change my mind!
^[[D
John Brabyn
89RR

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Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 14:22:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: Bull Bars/LR Safety

I've had limbs smack the lamp cages hard enough to dent the fender and 
would imagine that the plastic lenses would not have found that 
"amusing"....but your point is well taken....the trouble and hassle when 
changeing bulbs takes the edge off....without the guards,you might have a 
*much* easier time 'cause there wouldn't be any lenses in the way 
either.. :-)....
It is the same point with the "Bra" that you can put over the front of 
your car to keep the paint beautiful(no bugs or stone chips),but you and 
others can't*enjoy* the paint 'cause it covered up by the big black bra.....
It has gotten to where the *look* is the whole thing.....Birch Bark 
canoes were built with the brown inner bark on the *outside* ....so the 
outer 
white layers were on the inside.....will someone explain that to the 
makers of the aluminum canoes with the fake white birch bark exteriors....
If anyone had built a *real* canoe that way,the would have been laughed 
off the water.......
the lowered (and raised,for that matter) jeeps and suzukies with the low 
profile tires are the same type of things....(raise the body,fine,but the 
diffs are still the low point...)
this is why my rovers are nearly "stock"....it becomes an "anti-car"...it 
actually does what it looks like and looks like what it does...and 
therein lies the appeal.....

steve....

"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
"        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
"        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
"        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

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From: "Rostykus, John" <john@dspmail.Data-IO.COM>
Subject: RE: LRO Club Name List
Date: Fri, 02 Sep 94 11:35:00 PDT

I was looking at the list of names, unable to decide, so I thought I'd 
enlist the help of my wife's imagination.  2 minutes after forwarding her 
the list, I got a reply.  Remember this is a non-biased (ok, maybe a little 
biased) observer's recommendation...

     "I like 'Car List Rejects'"

While I would like a name with Land Rover in it, somehow this seems to 
really fit our motley crew... ->8*]

John Rostykus
john@data-io.com

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Date: Fri, 2 Sep 94 11:40:41 PDT
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re: Bull Bars/LR Safety

Regarding the raising and other mods done by non-Land Rover owners, it always
amuses me that they raise them then put axle trusses on to REDUCE ground
clearance -- but needed I guess due to the flimsy axles they use. Also of 
course the suspension usually ends up even stiffer than before, reducing
traction on uneven terrain whenever one wheel droops. The host of 
other problems such mods cause (driveline vibration, speedo decalibration,
higher effective gearing, etc etc) make us all grateful to have Land Rovers
, which don't need modifying.

John Brabyn

89 RR

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Date: Fri, 2 Sep 94 11:30:55 PDT
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re: Bull Bars/LR Safety

Hear Hear!

John

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Date: Fri, 2 Sep 94 13:38:53 PDT
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re: Bull Bars/LR Safety

I take back the remark about the light protectors!!

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Date: Fri, 2 Sep 94 19:50:02 -0400
From: UUCP-Dixon Kenner <uufold@sandelman.ocunix.on.ca>

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Subject: Comments, corrections, flames, etc on the FAQ
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Fri, 02 Sep 94 12:54:48 -0500

        Please send comments, corrections, additions, anything really
        that is of interest about Land Rovers to:

                dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca

        for inclusion in the Frequently Asked Questions for Land Rovers.

        Rgds,

        Dixon

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
Ottawa Valley Land Rovers / FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

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Subject: Re: Proposal: A new LR club
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Fri, 02 Sep 94 10:40:28 -0500

David John Place <umplace@CC.UManitoba.CA> writes:

> Perhaps we might consider using the IRC system on Internet.  For those who
> don't know what IRC is, it stands for Internet Relay Chat, and is a real
> time connection to other people on the net.

        Unless you are a uucp site (like fourfold), or have a firewall
        at your site that barely lets mail through (like StatsCan et al).
        Sounds great, but has even a more limited audience that the
        mailing-list. (Most limiting in terms of who can use it would be
        the web sites using mosiac etc)

        Rgds,

        Dixon

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
Ottawa Valley Land Rovers / FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

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Subject: LRO MAGAZINE
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Fri, 02 Sep 94 12:37:55 -0500

rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) writes:

> We the readers should get of our butts and be more expressive of what we 
> feel about alot of things. 

        I know a lot of people letting their subscriptions lapse because
        of the way LRO is going.

> Must say that the contents section for his issue was alot better this 
> time.

        In the derelicts section they identify a brown, very restorable,
        Land Rover as a Series I.  Looking at it, it is obviosly a Series
        II.

> I am still waiting for my LRW to appear.

        Mine arrived before LRO last week.  The LRO arrived after Meadows,
        Wood, & Ted's did.

        Rgds,

        Dixon

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
Ottawa Valley Land Rovers / FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

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Subject: Re2: Proposal: A new LR club
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Fri, 02 Sep 94 12:31:01 -0500

S|ren Vels Christensen <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk> writes:

> The list CAN be used for club purposes, as we see from time to time. Also,
> the net (list) is a fine media if a (semi-)national club welcomes outside/
> international participation in arrangements. Netters can pass information on
> to their respective clubs. Wide spread club to club/individual info with 
> only a few Kb af ascii.

        The mailing list is certainly being used by a few clubs for
        keeping up to date vis-a-vis events et cetera, as well as
        informing others of their club events.  The OVLR Birthday Party
        and the ROAV Mid-Atlantic Rally are two that spring to mind
        right off hand.

> A. A world wide Land-Rover club list with addresses and club secretaries.
> B. A world wide Land-Rover dealers/part shops/garage list.

        This exists in the form of the FAQ.  Granted I have not posted
        and update to it since last July (probably should, it has doubled
        in size), but it has a list of clubs and suppliers.  Granted it is
        very North American - UK oriented.  I'll post it soonest.  Hopefully
        my mail box will fill with corrections/additions...

> BTW, i'm about to make a presentation on Dansk Land-Rover Klub. Just need
> a few details before posting.

        Club wise, the FAQ has no non-UK/USA/Canadian clubs in it.

        Rgds,

        Dixon

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
Ottawa Valley Land Rovers / FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 92 15:42:34 -0500
From: archer@hsi86.hsi.com (Garry Archer)
Subject: Re:  Land Rovers

I dunno, I must be a puritan or somethin', but I wince and cringe whenever
I read and hear folks refer to Land Rovers as "cars", "trucks" or "Rovers".

They're Land Rovers!!!!!!!!!!

There is no other classification for them :-)

Me dad drove Land Rovers for decades until he retired in 1990 (they belonged 
to his firm but he always brought them home for personal use).  Funnily
enough, he said he would never buy one himself, "They're too expensive
to maintain", he said.  The firm always kept them in tip-top condition
so they were always being maintained and me Dad must have been privy to
the cost.

Where I lived in England there were a lot of quarries.  Me dad worked 
down most of those quarries (huh, so *that's* why his job title was Quarry 
Manager...)  The quarries produced high quality clay for the area's 
refractories.  I digress.  So I've seen the Land Rover in its element -- in 
all elements! -- in fact I've seen them in all positions including rolling 
over down some quarries!  Usually they make the steepest inclines though 
(where them darn bulldozers thought that only they could go!).

Fortune (in the form of me Dad) blessed me with the opportunity to drive
a Land Rover (several of them).  One doesn't need to go fast in a Land
Rover (some have mentioned their "low" top speed).  One just goes and goes.
Of all vehicles I have ever driven, I have had the most fun driving a
Land Rover (Archer stop that grinning, you're still at work...)

One of these days, when I'm Rich And Famous I'll have meself a Land Rover
parked right next to me Aston Martins (I can't decide on just *one*!).

Garry Archer Esq.	{yale, uunet}!hsi!archer  -OR-  archer@hsi.com
3M Health Information Systems,	Wallingford, Connecticut, U.S.A.

"An Englishman never enjoys himself, except for a noble purpose." - A.P.Herbert

==========================================================================

1.  There was a swb that hit a full grown moose a couple of years ago.
    The moose was killed on impact, damage to the swb was caved in front
    wings and the radiator being driven against the fan.  Pulling the
    radiator forward allowed the swb to proceed.  The State Police could
    not believe it.  Photos can be found in an old Rovers North newsletter.

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
Ottawa Valley Land Rovers / FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

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Subject: FAQ.  Updated version...  From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
(dixon kenner) Date: Fri, 02 Sep 94 12:48:17 -0500

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Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 22:30:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Steven Swiger (LIS)" <swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu>
Subject: Re: LRO MAGAZINE

Sorry for loading you mailboxes with yet more mail, but don't you think 
it's kind of funny when you get seven messages from the same person?  
This isn't the first time that it has happened...maybe condense some 
more, or bring in the clips to one message... It's really loading up the 
mailboxes and getting out of control......

Thanx in advance, 
Steve Swiger
swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu

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Subject: Club (Y/N) and newsgroup vs. mail list
Date: Fri, 02 Sep 1994 22:46:46 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu>

I've been reading this thread about us becoming a club and have 
come to a decision.  At every event that I go to, I'm going to 
post a sign on my windshield that says:

lro@team.net
ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu

There are a few things that could happen:
1)Any of you that are out there will know that I'm part of the 
  mailing list.  And there will be no need for fancy names, or 
  t-shirts or the like.
2)people who don't know about the mailing list will ask and we 
  may get more people to join our discussion.

     On the topic of newsgroup vs. mailing list I have a few 
thoughts.  While I was a school I extensively read newsgroups and 
got a lot of information out of them, but you had to learn how to 
filter the signal from the noise.  Sitting here tonight I 
realized the difference in my philosophy between the two.
     When I get mail from a mailing list, such as this one, a 
read every single message that comes in.  I regard this list and 
the people on it to be a group of friends sitting around 
discussing a common topic.  Newsgroups for the most part consist 
of posts from total strangers.  I have no incentive to think that 
every post will be interesting or useful, so I only read the 
threads that I find interesting.  The end result is that I read 
at most 10% of the message traffic and more likely than not I 
read less than 1% of the message traffic.  For me an extreme 
example of this is rec.arts.written.sf.babylon5 which is a 
discussion group about the TV show Babylon 5.  The newsgroup 
easily has 200 to 500 mesasges a day.  The only signal that I 
have found in the noise is that of J. M. Straczyski who is the 
executive producer and writer of the show.
     I prefer to keep this list like all of us were sitting 
around the fire shooting the breeze than a crouded auditorium.

But this is just my $0.02

Benjamin Smith
ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu
1972 Land Rover SIII 88

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 1994 02:01:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re:  Bull Bars/LR Safety

Things must be differant where John is so he writes...
> I agree especially about the bullbars -- I have never seen them to be
none
useful
> for anything but appearance. The same applies to the ridiculous headlight
> and taillight protectors sold as accessories -- the chances are you then
have > 
> to
> to pay for new "protectors" AND new taillights if they get hit. Also, has
> anyone tried working oin an engine in a bullbar equipped vehicle -- I
would
> think it would entail a lot of leaning over and reaching.
> to pay for new "protectors" AND new taillights if they get hit. Also, has

I don't know John.. If a bull bar was constructed properly it *would*
actually protect the bodywork from heavy brush and small trees. Doesn't
sound much like "tread lightly" now but there are times when you have no
choice but to go through the stuff. 

Some of the good ole boys in the local 4x4 club have some damm nice
home-built bull bars on thier trucks. These boys are strictly "tread
lightly" and a real good crowd to run with when you can't find any Land
Rover folks about. I really don't think that the bull bars and assorted
lamp guards are there to prevent damage if you get hit.. Most of that is
your job, right? 

As far as leaning and reaching goes.. I'm 5'10" and have to do an awful
amount of leaning and reaching to work on anything in my SerIII. Sometimes I
even throw the spare on the ground and stand on that. Maybe you're a lot
taller or your RR is a lot shorter.

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern)       

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 1994 02:01:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Mid Atlantic Rally

Sandy sez...
> Has anyone replaced a headlight with a halogen sealed beam?  I'm still
> running with *original* (i.e., 22 yr old) Lucas bulbs that, according to
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> bought a set of Phillips "7 inch" halogen headlights, but these would no
> fit the 7 inch bezel of the Rover.  Suggestions?
The Prince of Darkness strikes again!
I don't know Sandy, I have GE halogen headlamps in my Ser III. And at one
time or another I've had to put something other than Lucas in the Spitfire
and thats a 1964. The headlamp mounting is the same on the Rover as on the
Triumph (at least on mine, anyway). Can't understand why you would have any
trouble with it.
As to the Lucas lights, I've been using Lucas headlamps in the Spit for 15
years (except when one blows out and I don't have a spare). They actually do
a fair job, but maybe it's because the lights are closer to the ground than
on the Rover and the light doesn't have to travel so far?? ;-}
Like my tee-shirt says..
         LUCAS. A hard days work and home before Dark.
Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern)       

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Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 23:31:51 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Potential LRO?

My sister is heading back to Rhode Island for her last semester of 
horse school, and after getting a taste of off-highway driving on the way 
out to CA this spring, would like to do more.  Are there any LRO's near 
Providence, RI who would be willing to take a college kid along on an 
outing?  

(She's actually 21 and quite mature, but she'll always be one of "the kids" 
to me.)

Thanks in advance...

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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