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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Sali: bikini/tranni/springi
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 01:23:09 -0600 (MDT)

Thanks to Notajeep and Pouet-Pouet for their kind thoughts about silly
Sali going to the national rather ill-equipped.

Needless to say, she and I survived... did famously actually, just
leaving a little puddle at all the night stops.  (Mom said always
leave something behind that you can go back and retrieve.)

TRANNI
Sali is getting more and more complicated:  Ser IIA body, Ser III
engine and Ser II tranny.  The tranny went in as a rush job just
before the rally.  The II tran has a rubber plug on the bell housing
that is not on the IIA, and that's where the oil leak appears to be:
coming into the bell housing through a broken gasket.  Tranny is
coming out again soon for rebuild and all new gaskets, but I'm not
sure I understand Steve's comments:
 
< early bell housing.....the studs all line up ......*but* the gasket 
< surface misses the mark for a half of an inch on the bottom....could this be 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
< do that.......my neighbor did.....had the tranny out 3 times ...I learned 
< some *REALLY* bad words.......

I didn't put a gasket on the bell housing connection to the engine
because I didn't think there was supposed to be one.  Did I goof bad?

SPRINGI
The springs held up OK after a second re-arching, but after 1000 miles
of bouncing around they are squeaking again.  But for the price, I
don't think I'll ever re-arch again.  I recall somebody mentioning
like-new Canadian source for military springs for about the same
price.

BIKINI
The experimental bikini top held up well too, perhaps because most of
the time I rode without it!  With the windshield down, I was able to
get some great photos.  To make the bikini, I bolted an aluminium
extrusion to the top of the windshield.  Since the windshield is
notched the same width of the piece of extrusion, the permanent
mounting (sawed off upside down toggle bolts) interferes in no way
with re-mounting the hard top.  I don't have a regulation LR soft top,
but I think my bit of extrusion might get in the way of the windshield
bracket.  (So I suppose if I ever get a real soft top, I need a new
windshield too.)  The bikini top itself is an $8 piece of Army surplus
canvas which just happened to be cut the right size.  The hoop needs
to be considerably higher than the windshield (note the slope of an LR
roof) so that it doesn't give the driver a headache.  It flapped a
lot, but not disastrously.  (Regulation soft tops have straps under
the hoop fastening back on the windshield under the canvas to minimize
slack and flapping.)  My first attempt ripped apart on a 5-mile test
drive.  I then re-stitched the canvas with nylon webbing reinforcing
the grommet holes (for ropes to tie down the rear of the bikini.  That
held fine at speeds of 70 mph.  I found hoops the right size on a
trailer in a junkyard.  Driving topless is great fun (I also remove
the door tops).

CAMPI
I'm pretty lazy, so I camped rather primitively.  I slept in the bed
of my 109 pickup.  My son slept across the front seat.  When it rained
we threw a large tarp over the hoops and windshield, turning the whole
car into a tent.  During travel, all our gear was tied up in the tarp
(and sliding up and down the bed).  I can camp indefinitely, but seven
days of this particular arrangement wore me out.  Next time this 109
serves as a camper, it will be with hard top and plywood spread across
the bed for a wider sleeping area (and storage beneath).

GASI!
I mounted a jerrican in the rear of the car, above the left wheel
between the spare tyre well and the tool box.  I couldn't think of a
good exterior position (and some of you told horror tales of car
bombs).  My scheme was NOT good.  Gas leaked and splashed in the
pickup bed.  At night I occasionally forgot to remove the jerrican
next to my sleeping position and the fumes almost killed me.

SUMMARI
All in all Sali did great at the ralli.  She developed a reputation
for overcoming every obstacle (with my son egging me on to leap tall
buildings) and never needing assistance, even where new Range Rovers
and Defenders got stuck.  I'm a bit at a loss to explain this, but I
think the lower center of gravity without the roof combined with the
longer wheel base (a unique combination at the rally) made Sali a
great rock and mudhole leaper.  I'd also like to think I have a good eye
for the right line.  (Well, once I did slip in a V-gully and smash the
rocker panels and wrench off a lug nut AND bolt.)  And actually I did
need assistance once.  During a sudden squall, I pulled up the
windshield while driving, and as I groped to reconnect the wipers I
accidentally grounded one and blew a fuse.  It took a large committee
of experts to figure out what I had done.  I felt pretty silly.
 

So where's Jan H been hiding?  I met her neighbour at the rally and he
was thrilled to meet the proud new owner of an ugly Tootsie.
(Unfortunately I forgot to take Toots along for the ride.)  Didn't run
into any gummy Norwegians though.  Too bad.

T. F. Mills                                              tomills@du.edu
University of Denver Library  2150 E. Evans Ave.  Denver  CO 80208  USA

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: Desert Water Bags, again
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 01:38:06 -0600 (MDT)

Russ sez:
 
< I was interested in a canvas bag, but the only Landrover using one
< at the rally in Co. keeped breaking down.

Maybe it was one cold side of the car that made the other side jealous
and jumpy which caused the SO to have a crisis of confidence which you
just don't do around Lucas....

I sure hope Ray & Jan made it home OK.  

T. F. Mills                                              tomills@du.edu
University of Denver Library  2150 E. Evans Ave.  Denver  CO 80208  USA

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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 03:42:09 -0400
From: Dave <Dave@scooby.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Post order spares

>Could anybody on the list advise me regarding ordering spares from
>A.E.W. Paddock Motors Ltd. 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>Kjartan Bergsson
>Iceland
>kjartan@ejs.is

Kjartan,

I use A.E.W as often as I can, in the UK they're one of the cheapest and
they're always really keen to help out.

What you will probably find is that since they are realtively cheap, they
don't spend a lot of money on producing brochures etc so they can keep the
prices down.

I'm not absolutely positive but I don't think they have a separate brochure
for Range Rovers.  Their LR and RR products certainly share the same
adverts in the UK magazines...

Hope this helps

Dave

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Newsgroup? Bio, thanks from BP
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 94 9:09:27 BST

Ben,
I second your views,FWIW.Although I *can* access Newsnet news,I
gave up in disgust in the end.As you say,too much "white noise"
from halfwits with,seemingly the sole object of ruining everyones
day/year/life.Keep it a mailing list PLEASE.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 09:16:17 UNDEFINED

My Goodyear Wranglers, which are wearing like steel, have the legend 
'treadwear 220' on teh wall. What does the number mean?

I gather Goodyear have discontinued teh Wrangler (probably cos they last too 
long) adn so I'd like to know how to get something else which lasts as long 
when I eventually need to replace em.

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From: IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 09:23:54 +0000
Subject: Re: Proposal: A new LR club

> IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk writes:
> > I'd like to suggest that we register our distribution-list as a club 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
>         what it is.  I know the LRW is aware of the list, but just have
>         not gotten a hook-up to the InterNet yet.

This "InterNet" thing is a big unknown for a lot of people here in 
the UK. Getting access is not *that* difficult, the cheapest 
commercial system I could use works out at 120pounds (pa) for 
subscription and ~1pound per hour telephone charges (I've got a local 
modem bank).

Most people don't really understand what this e-mail thing is all 
about -- it tends to be 'a serious tool for company use only', so 
they don't think about the possibility of a leasure use for it.

My idea was to try to expand our userbase to interest more people.

I suppose it comes down to the fact that I feel we should recognise 
ourselves as a club. Just because we don't have a membership fee or 
any formal structure does not detract from the fact that we do most 
of the things that other Rover clubs do. I'd just like to be able to 
show the regional clubs that there is a truly international club out 
there, and all it requires is a computer and a modem to join. A 
mention once or twice doesn't really do that, a listing in the Club 
pages does.

I remember the last time that a non-rover thread started to rampage 
around the net -- alot of people didn't like it. I don't want to push 
this list into something it isn't (a new one can always be started to 
cover that). This is a free list and I want to keep all the good 
things that it has, but I also want to tell more people we exist.

Less that a dozen people have expressed an opinion, most of them have 
been pro.  What does everyone else think? is this the wrong place to 
do this? Shall I send out the list of names suggested? shall I drop 
the whole thing?

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
World Wide Web site -- http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/
#======================================================================#
I'm not a computing nerd, I'm a computing geek.   |Land Rover owners do
Geeks are much higher up the evolutionary chain. |  it in the mud.

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From: IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 09:49:14 +0000
Subject: Re: Proposal: A new LR club

> I tend to like LROC of the Internet, or something like that? 
> ==============================================================================
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> LROC of Victoria Australia                              2.25 diesel (Soon!)
> email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au
Syberspace Land Rover Owners Club?

;-)

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
World Wide Web site -- http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/
#======================================================================#
I'm not a computing nerd, I'm a computing geek.   |Land Rover owners do
Geeks are much higher up the evolutionary chain. |  it in the mud.

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From: IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 09:51:23 +0000
Subject: Re: P. S. Bumper Stickers

> AND.........our bumper stickers can be:
>                      NET ROVERS DO IT IN SPACE!!
{club name} DO IT IN VIRTUAL REALITY
none

PS -- where's the VR Hill Rally game?

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
World Wide Web site -- http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/
#======================================================================#
I'm not a computing nerd, I'm a computing geek.   |Land Rover owners do
Geeks are much higher up the evolutionary chain. |  it in the mud.

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From: IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 09:52:21 +0000
Subject: Re: Potential Club Name

> From:          JFisk1120@aol.com
> To:            lro@team.net
> Date:          Tue, 30 Aug 94 19:49:00 EDT
> Subject:       Potential Club Name

> I, too really enjoy the discussions that scroll through my screen daily!
> Two potential names:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
> can help in any way, let me know.
> Jan Fisk                                 1964 Land Rover Series IIA 88"
> Springfield, Missouri             1991 Range Rover County

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
World Wide Web site -- http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/
#======================================================================#
I'm not a computing nerd, I'm a computing geek.   |Land Rover owners do
Geeks are much higher up the evolutionary chain. |  it in the mud.

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From: IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 09:53:55 +0000
Subject: Re2: Potential Club Name

Oops, talk about messing it up ;-)
> Another curiosity of mine, who we are, where we are, male/female, age,
> occupation, etc. etc. etc.  I don't really know how to go about it.....but to
> compile a membership list would probably prove to be most interesting.  If I
> can help in any way, let me know.
Are you offering?

Do we have a seconder for Club Secratery?
<only joking!>

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
World Wide Web site -- http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/
#======================================================================#
I'm not a computing nerd, I'm a computing geek.   |Land Rover owners do
Geeks are much higher up the evolutionary chain. |  it in the mud.

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: Tranni mis-understandii
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 19:06:00 +0930 (CST)

Tom writes:
> but I'm not sure I understand Steve's comments:

Who wrote:
> < oh no.....i hope he didn't put the late throw out bearing housing on the 
> < early bell housing.....the studs all line up ......*but* the gasket 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> I didn't put a gasket on the bell housing connection to the engine
> because I didn't think there was supposed to be one.  Did I goof bad?

OoooH deary I am thinking that you might be misundertaking what "NotaJeep" is
meaning.

We are talking about the clutch throw out (thrust) bearing housing. which
fits over the main input shaft.  From what I remember from my IIa this whole
assemble has a health leak potential.   In fact isnt the thrust bearing
lubricated by a form of "controlled" leak in the form of the spiral groove
mainshaft. Or am I misundertaking its function??

As for sealing the bell housing to the engine I thought all of the oil leaks
do that for us :-)

-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

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Subject: List Name (Re: club names)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 94 06:45:41 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

The name of the club is 'Team.Net', we are 'LRO@Team.Net'

We are affiliated with our brethern at AutoX@AutoX.Team.Net, 
Brit-Cars@AutoX.Team.Net, etc., not to mention, BMW-owner, Italian-cars,
School, etc.

The Land Rover Owner mailing list initial invitation was sent on 14 May 1990.

Team.Net (AutoX, LRO, etc.) was formed on April 1, 1991.
(Initial Domain application is below.)

FYI:	Team.Net (the AutoX part), has a snazzy decal and shirts.
	The logo includes a mouse racing between pylons, and the reverse
	of the shirt has an autcross illustration (with an X1/9 ?).

If someone wants to be recording secretary for the list, the readership
list should include person name, country, e-mail addr,
list-of-land-rovers-owned.

'Club' connotes other potential responsibilities, which I, personally, will
not be undertaking, lest someone wants to incorporate.

	Cheers,
	- Bill   caloccia@Team.Net

	48-A Syon Lane
	Isleworth, Middx, TW7 5NQ, UK
	tele: +44 81 232 8503
	fax:  +44 81 569 4755
-------
I've been a bit behind in sending notification, and owe the AROC folks
the details, following the annual meeting at Darby, over May Bank Holiday
weekend.  The AROC folks have agreed to list us, although we are not,
in strict terms, a member of the AROC, nor are we a club.
--------
csh% whois -h rs.internic.net team.net
Fat Chance Garage (TEAM-DOM)
   P.O. Box 58333
   Salt Lake City, UT 84158

   Domain Name: TEAM.NET

   Administrative Contact:
      Caloccia, William P.  (WPC)  caloccia@STRATUS.COM
   Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      Prescott, James G.  (JP381)  jgp@EE.ROCHESTER.EDU

   Record last updated on 18-Feb-94.

>From the original Domain Name  application:
--------------------------------
>To: hostmaster@nic.ddn.mil
Subject: Request for Domain Name.
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 91 19:36:11 EST  [April Fool's Day -wpc]
From: caloccia@sw.stratus.com

In spite of today's date, this is a _real_ Domain Name request.
	--bill	 :-)
--- begin ----------------------------------------------------------------
	1.  Top-level name:		NET 
	2.  Complete Domain Name:	TEAM 
	3a.  Geographical address:	Fat Chance Garage [& Brewery -wpc]
					POB 58333
					Salt Lake City, Utah  84158
	3b.  Organization name:  	Team.Net
	4.  Date operational:		1 May 1991 

   (5) The NIC handle of the administrative head of the organization.
	5a.  Nic Handle:	 WPC

	[...]

9. Description and date operational:

	Both servers are presently operational, and can support TEAM.NET,
	once this application is approved.

10) Planned mapping of names of any other network hosts (including
   any ARPANET or MILNET hosts), other than the server machines, into
   the new domain's naming space.

	The initial entry in the Team.Net domain will be MX records.
	Otherwise, no existing hosts will be 'mapped' in.

(11) Please describe your organization briefly.  

	Our organisation is a computer network serving those interested
	in automotive competition. Our members include people successful
	in national and international competitions, as well as those who
	span the related fields of vehicle preparation, event administration,
	etc. 

	Consulting and reference services are also available.

	At present our organisation is a co-operative, and sells no
	products or services (ie. we are neither for profit, nor commercial). 
 ----- end -----

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Little Things......
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 94 12:32:43 BST

Well,you know the saying,"Little things please little minds,Little
breeches fit little behinds".
Thing is,I've benn looking,on and off,for a Land Rover key ring for
a while now.Not a dedicated search,you understand,just an idle
perusal of the assorted key rings in spares shops.Nothing.Yes,I *know*
you can get them from Craddock's et al,but it spoils the fun,and whats
more they are overpriced,particularly if you add the postage,and I wasnt
*that* bothered.However during my recent two weeks leave,we wandered into 
the town on market day.Bingo!There,on a stall,one Land Rover key ring,
price one English Pound.Sold to the balding gent in the specs.Dead chuffed
I was.Silly isnt it?
Has anyone ever noticed how stupid(and boring) English headgear is?Only a
fool would beleive what they used to teach in Geography lessons"England
is a warm,temperate zone".Bullshit.Its wet.Its wet*and* cold.When the
sun *does* shine,its so low it get in your eyes.When it rains,it blows,
and you cant see a damned thing because they dont fit specs with windshield
wipers.So what do we wear on our heads?A flat 'at.The peak isnt big enough to
keep the rain off,AND it goes down your neck.Even more so *inside* the Land
Rover.And the damned thing blows off at the slightest opportunity.The
English are *determined* to protect this "warm,temperate" myth at any cost.
So,during the next amble into town,there,in a shop was a pile of "Aussie"
hats.Three quid each.Nice big brim,which suitably bashed not only keeps the
sun out of my eyes,but the rain off my glasses,*and from running down my
neck.Keeps my balding pate warm,too,and for windy weather,it posseses a
chinstrap,normally stowed in the crown.Australia,my heartfelt thanks!
Of course its only cotton,but should be waterproof enough for my purposes,
and at that price was probably made in Northampton but grateful for small
mercies I definitely am.The remarks about corks I could have done without,
mind you,and the guy that mentions champagne corks really *will* get
duffed up.However its not without it's hazards.When reversing round the
farmyard,the accepted way is to stick your napper out of the window.....
Dire Warning no.1. Dont.The hat doesnt like it.Its very difficult to see
where you are going with the thing jammed over your eyes.Very.Further,if
you should have the chinstrap in use and pull your head back...you cant
breath either.This could prove awkward.Nevr mind the innocent merriment
it provides bystanders,its not *their* lives that are being rapidly
shortened!Further,when mounting,or alighting from the vehicle....duck!
Retrieving your headgear from the ever present puddle gets boring after
the third time.The current method in use,pending any better advice from
the Antipodes,is to carefully line yourself up sideways,bow slightly,
and rapidly insert the hat first,self when it it safely inside.I'm humbly
aware that this cannot be the correct procedure.For a start,I cant
imagine any Australian worth his Foster's bowing to *anybody*,let alone
his Land Rover,although there may be a *slightly* greater chance of this,
I suppose.Perhaps it accounts for the preponderance of soft tops in
Australia?I eagerly await advice.
Due to the lack of room between me and the right side of the vehicle,
I am currently considering pinning the right side of the brim to the
crown.Ah!So *thats* why they do it!Isnt it?
Please,lads,how *do* you drive these hats?
Incidentally,did anyone notice that the window of Crocodile Dundee's
outback hideaway (CD 2)is the complete windshield asssembly of a S1?
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 07:56:30 -0400
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Proposed Club Name

Club name, hmmm...??? 

How about: 

Society for 
Landies 
United 
Together 

??? 

The acronym would certainly draw attention on a T-shirt, hat, or sweatshirt, 
and come to think of it, they would probably sell like crazy and generate 
tremendous revenue for the club.  Complete strangers would go out of their way 
to get to know us and might provide useful input, ideas, and maybe a 
proposition or two. 

A club motto could be "Show Us Your Layshaft" or "I've Got More Knobs Than You 
and I Know How to Use 'Em". 

(More than enough baloney from Maloney who has his fire extiguisher fully 
charged and ready) 

Bill 

maloney@wings.attmail.com 

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Little Things......
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 14:51:11 UNDEFINED

>is a warm,temperate zone".Bullshit.Its wet.Its wet*and* cold.When the
>sun *does* shine,its so low it get in your eyes.When it rains,it blows,
>and you cant see a damned thing because they dont fit specs with windshield
>wipers.So what do we wear on our heads?A flat 'at.The peak isnt big enough to
>keep the rain off,AND it goes down your neck.Even more so *inside* the Land

Never quite worked out teh logic of flatats. I came to teh conclusion that 
they were a sort of Calvinist thing. Suffereing is good for th soul - or at 
least the head.

>So,during the next amble into town,there,in a shop was a pile of "Aussie"
>hats.Three quid each.Nice big brim,which suitably bashed not only keeps the
>sun out of my eyes,but the rain off my glasses,*and from running down my
>neck.Keeps my balding pate warm,too,and for windy weather,it posseses a

The ultimate sillyhat has to be the one worn by the 'Bush Tucker Man'. What a 
wally.

Tell he comes from a land without weather. In Wales, it'd hang him by teh 
neckstrap first Force10 we got........... And leave him dangling frmo a 
Paperbark.

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From: JFisk1120@aol.com
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 94 09:52:18 EDT
Subject: Potential Club Name

I tend to agree that we need to keep out the riff raff so the club name could
be just an informality.......something we can use when:

1.  We need to refer when namedropping at our next party.  
     "I learned from my..............."
2.  Include on our resume......impress those potential bosses.
     "Affliated with....................."
3.  Include in our obituary.
     "He was a faithful member of.............."

Maybe next month, if you all are interested, I will put together a bio form
for you to submit for again, an informal membership list so at your next
party you can say "My friend in Iceland said........".  I personally think it
would be fun to see who we are!  I am going to be in Chicago next week (at
the Napoleonic Society Conference.......maybe I really am kinda offbeat!) so
it can be a project when I return....I really don't want 181 messages waiting
for me!

Any other comments would be welcome!

Love those quotes!!  (I gotta come up with one)!
Jan Fisk
Springfield, Missouri

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From: JFisk1120@aol.com
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 94 10:09:21 EDT
Subject: Proposed Club Name per Maloney

Bill.........I definitely want to wear a sweatshirt that says S.L.U.T. on
it!!  

I was worried about what I was going to wear to my class reunion next month,
problem solved......so I'll just skip the trip to Bloomingdale's!

Jan 

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Subject: Is my clutch going?
From: dd@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Dale Desprey)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 94 08:44:52 -0500

I find when I am driving, my clutch makes a intermitant high pitch whine. 
When I press in the clutch, the noise goes away.  I notice no signs of 
slipping.  What is wrong?

Dale Desprey

--
Dale Desprey, dd@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
Ottawa Valley Land Rovers / FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

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From: IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 15:28:51 +0000
Subject: List Name v's club name

> Date:          Wed, 31 Aug 94 06:45:41 -0400
I've just realised -- 06:45. Man, what time do *you* get up?

> The name of the club is 'Team.Net', we are 'LRO@Team.Net'
But do you mind/care if we have an alternitive (sp?) name for 
periodicals, etc -- one that emphsises our perticular interest?

> We are affiliated  [snip] BMW-owner [snip]
none
How appropriate ;-)

PS what is the correct email address to use? Is the above a 
mirror/forwarding point?
 

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
World Wide Web site -- http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/
#======================================================================#
I'm not a computing nerd, I'm a computing geek.   |Land Rover owners do
Geeks are much higher up the evolutionary chain. |  it in the mud.

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Subject: Re: List Name (Re: club names) 
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 94 10:40:48 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

>   What's all that in English please?

All right, my last post had a bunch of material in it which was a little
deep and not well connected with standard phrases, so I'll try to repeat 
what I to communicate previously, this time in sentences... 

	
There is a name.

	* LRO@Team.Net
	* Land Rover Owner at Team-dot-Net
	~= LROTN (if you must have an nLA, use the FLA) 
			[n-Letter Acronym]      [Five Letter Acronym]

	If you're up with the Rover Owner clubs you'll recognize what 'LRO' is
	and if you're in Cyberspace or otherwise connected, you'll know where
	to find us... [as TJ Watson's desk plaque stated 'Keep it Simple...']

Team.Net
	is a registered domain in cyberspace - and its sole purpose
	is to foster communication amoungst motor-sports enthusiasts, etc.

	There are a number of other mailing lists available the Team.Net 
	space - including AutoX and the British Cars mailing list.

Land-Rover-Owner is a mailing list.

	+ It is not a club

		- It does not organize things..

		+ Readers organize things, the list merely allows them to
		  communicate and socialize, etc.

		+ No responsibility for what readers do.

		(For those of you who have been about Motorsports
		 clubs for any length of time in the US, UK or else
		 where, you realize that Motosports can be Dangerous,
		 and when accidents do occur, lawsuits sometimes 
		 follow.  Many clubs not only carry insurance for
		 events, but are also incorporated to protect the
		 officers and members from being personally or
		 jointly liable in such events...) 

	[And since, in name, I run the list, and my employer
	 graciously (and for the most part, unknowningly), provides
	 the list distribution resources, you'll certainly agree
	 that neither should be 'liable' for what occurs on or
	 outside this distribution list.

	 My contributions are to try to keep up with subscription, and
	 raise the signal to noise ratio - usually via lending the odd
	 clue on net-ettiquite.

	 If list folks were to fire up some sort of club event, I would
	 strongly suggest that it either be part of a larger club event
	 or otherwise held under the auspices of a properly organized/insured
	 club, etc.]

	+ It not a news group

		+ LRO can reach everyone news does and then some.

		+ If you like reading it via news, then set it up
	 	  locally, like the OLVR folk & others.
		  - but don't propogate it, or start a feed-back loop.

Publicising the List

	There has been numerous mentions of the list in several local 
	newsletters in the States, with my approval, and input (please
	feel free to contact me should you want to put a note in your
	local newsletter, it is encouraged, but I'd also like to see
	it advertised in a consistant and correct manner).

Cheers,
-- Bill

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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 17:09:10 +0100 (MET)
From: S|ren Vels Christensen <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
Subject: Almost relevant.

On Mon, 29 Aug 1994, Granville Pool wrote:

Text cut out.

>  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> [ Granville Pool                     | 52 80" Series I (gutted, project)  ]
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> [ Land-Rovers last!                  | (?yr) Ausin Champ 4x4 (project)    ]  
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hello Granville.

I see you have an Austin Champ 4x4. What kind of car is that. Is it like
the Austin Gipsy? I saw a '5? Gipsy advertised in a second hand ad paper.
It looked like a Land Rover with soft edges and a Jeep CJ? grille and bonnet.
Is the body alu or steele? Is the frame like a LR?

Yours 

+----------------------------+--------------------------------+
| Soren Vels                 | 1976  sIII  109"   2.25 petrol |
| velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk     | "Lawrence of Arabia"           |    ((|||))
| Royal Danish Air Force     | Dansk Land-Rover Klub no. 3564 |   ((|||))
| Communications Specialist  | DL-RK: Approx. 1000 members.   |    ((|||))
+----------------------------+--------------------------------+__((|||))______

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From: "John R. Benham" <BENHAM@WFOCLAN.USBM.GOV>
Date:          Wed, 31 Aug 1994 08:31:15 +1100
Subject:       Re: P O R T L A N D  ! ! ! !

> From:           /G=Hui/S=Ben/OU2=IL02M/OU=ILBH/P=MOT/A=MOT/C=US/@email.mot.com
> Date sent:      30 Aug 94 15:50:08 -0600
> To:             land-rover-owner@stratus.com
> Subject:        P O R T L A N D  ! ! ! !

> I suggest that all those rover guy that are on the net that intend  on attending 
> the rover/brit car meet have some sort of exterior flag/marking or somthing to 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> ben hui
> vancouver b.c.

Ben,

    Our camp will have a large Rover Banner.  I have a Marine 
Blue/white top/limestone wheels 1968 88 w/brush guard (no Rhinos here 
in Washington!), black roof rack, and leaky canvas water bag!  Look 
forward to meeting you and the others.  This morning I had 62 
Rover related messages waiting on my machine.  This can't go on like 
this!

Later,> 

John R. Benham
Spokane, WA USA

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From: <DAVE@andataco.com>
Date:          Wed, 31 Aug 1994 08:09:18 PST
Subject:       Re: Newsgroup? Bio, thanks from BP

Please remove my name from your mailing list

Thank you for the news.

> From:           Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
> Subject:        Re: Newsgroup? Bio, thanks from BP
> To:             ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu
> Date sent:      Wed, 31 Aug 94 9:09:27 BST
> Copies to:      lro@transfer.stratus.com

> Ben,
> I second your views,FWIW.Although I *can* access Newsnet news,I
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> Mike Rooth
> Yours in Better Service,

W. David Sykes
President

Andataco
10140 Mesa Rim Road, San Diego California 92121
619-453-9191 ext 1200, 619-453-2676 (fax)
dave@andataco.com

The best kept secret in the industry??????

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From: ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu
Subject: post national rally car search...
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 10:41:29 -0500 (CDT)

post national rally car search

Thats *car*, not *star*...

At the 1994 LROA national rally (as dutifully reported by 
tomills@du.edu), on the August 20th, the last day...

    "... Freezing temperatures sent the survivors scurrying
     back to Westcliffe.  The small town held a surprise in
     the form of two Land Rovers for sale, a 1969 in mint
     condition with only 40,000 miles ($6000), and a 1956 86
     ($7000). If wishes were Rovers, there would have been a
     couple of sales..."

Well last night I had a call on the recorder from Bill Bruce
(Wichita, Kansas) who is not a Team.Net member.  He wondered 
if I had by any chance acquired the name or phone number of
either of the two owners.  Appears he has the fever.  I did
not have either (knew it was futile 'cause of the SO's attitude
about LRs).  Thought I would post this query to the net-group
in case one of you might have obtained the information.

Having been in Westcliffe, if you had the phone number of *anybody*
there, it would probably be good enough starting point...

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Ray Harder                 Columbia, Missouri   314-882-2000
 
     "...you are what you drive..."
 
- 61 SIIa 88 (LULU, aka Experimental)  - 66 SIIa 88 (rebuild project)
- 69 SIIa 88 (parts)                   - 87 RR      (wife's)
- 80 MGB                               - xx
---------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 12:23:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sali: bikini/tranni/springi

Oh Goodi...you got back ok!

Once only,for the record.......
There are a whole slew of Differences between a series 2 and the 2a 
transmissions(and transfer boxes!) *but* mot of the parts are 
interchangeable between the two,and sometimes you can mix and match to 
your advantage....(I'll explain off the list to anyone who wants the 
rear ratio "low down")
However! there is one "fooler" in the conversion that can cause 
grief..the throw out bearing *housing* has the same stud/bolt 
locations,so it will go on both bellhousings BUT! the actual gasket 
surfaces are different! so you bolt the 2a bearing thing to the 2 
transmission and you've got yourself a 90wt Niagara.....the rubber plug 
you speak of is the one on the left side of the bellhousing,No?..this is 
a left-over from the series one where the *mechanical* cluch linkage 
entered the housing on the side of the pedals..left for left hand drive etc.
all 2 and 2a's are on the right,but the castings were still used with the 
redundant hole plugged up...
if it is leaking from there.....you must have 5 or 6 quarts of 90wt in there!
it is likly the splash from the ring gear on the flywheel spraying it up 
there....how much engine/trans oil are you losing?

steve....
"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
"        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
"        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
"        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 12:40:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: Little Things......

Not from Austrialia I fear, the hat with the folded up brim is from 
northern India!...As much as I would like to think that the "King's Guraka 
Rifles" wore that headgear to help with egress from the landies,it is 
,alas, not so....The upper higlands have much open country,hence the 
large floppy brim,BUT the open spaces lead to long range shots(in excess 
of 1 mile,I'm told) sooo the chaps were issued lone barraled rifles not 
the shorter .303 Enfields....all goes well untill they go to sling the 
buggers....and ,to a man,knock their hats in the dung....not 
regimential,that......
So....get the hat in dark brown so the muck don't show,and stand 
tall,you're in good company!
steve.....

"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
"        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
"        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
"        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 94 09:51:13 PDT
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re:  Discovery / Defender Premium Fuel?

Quite so -- I wouldn't risk it. I do use regular with octane booster on occasion
in the outback where super is not available, but even then you have to be careful
its the right sort of octane booster that's safe for oxygen sensors and 
catalytic converters.

John Brabyn
89 RR

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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 94 09:55:55 PDT
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re: Post order spares

^[[Do you have an address/phone/fax for AEW?

Thanks

John

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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 94 10:09:20 PDT
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: fuel leak

>From daemon Wed Aug 31 10:07:57 1994
	id AB27214; Wed, 31 Aug 94 10:07:51 PDT
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 94 10:07:51 PDT
From: Mailer-Daemon (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
Status: RO

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
421 Host srtratus.com not found for mailer ddn.
550 lro@srtratus.com... Host unknown

   ----- Unsent message follows -----
	id AA27212; Wed, 31 Aug 94 10:07:51 PDT
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 94 10:07:51 PDT
From: brabyn (John Brabyn)
Subject: fuel leak

I have a fuel leak from somewhere around the filler cap, but inside the 
body panel, on my RR, just noticed it today. I have noticed lately that 
I don't get the pop of pressure release when I open the cap -- does that 
mean something's wrong or not? I am pretty sure the leak is new as of today,
while the no-pressure release has been there for a year or more.
The leak was after a full topping up of the tank -- I lent the truck to a friend
and no doubt he was trying to return it as full as possible. However it is 
still there after using a gallon.
Any ideas appreciated

John Brabyn
Mill Valley, Ca
89 RR

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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 13:02:00 -0400
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Little Things & Not So Little Things

Mike writes:

none

Due to the lack of room between me and the right side of the vehicle,
I am currently considering pinning the right side of the brim to the
crown.Ah!So *thats* why they do it!Isnt it?
Please,lads,how *do* you drive these hats?
Incidentally,did anyone notice that the window of Crocodile Dundee's
outback hideaway (CD 2)is the complete windshield asssembly of a S1?
Cheers
Mike Rooth

Mike,

I also have an Aussie hat that my folks brought back from down under for me. 
 It's made of some kind of felt and is very waterproof.  You can get the same 
hat from David Morgan (206-485-2132, USA) for about $60 US.  I too find you 
have to do neckular gymnastics to get in and out of the Rover while wearing 
it (Add a waxed cotton overcoat and during some rather rainy trips to New 
Hampshire and Maine, I was always dry when out of foot from the knees up).  
The funny thing is that while my folks were on that trip, I completed my 
arrangements to have my first Rover delivered to the house.  I wasn't sure 
how they would take to the new addition in the driveway.  As it turned out 
they were pretty amused (to my relief).  Back to the hat, I wear it with the 
brim unsnapped and flat and the older and more weathered it gets, the better 
it looks.  I just wish I could say the same for myself.

Oh, yes I did notice the Rover windshield in CDII.  I thought it was a IIA 
windscreen.  Unfortunately whatserface wasn't wearing a bra and I guess I was 
kinda distracted.  Next time I'll pay more attention.

Even more baloney from Maloney

Bill

maloney@wings.attmail.com

Wayne, NJ USA

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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 13:54:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: Are you tired yet?

On Wed, 31 Aug 1994, Andy Woodward wrote:

> My Goodyear Wranglers, which are wearing like steel, have the legend 
> 'treadwear 220' on teh wall. What does the number mean?
> I gather Goodyear have discontinued teh Wrangler 
none

Mike "discontinued" 2 of mine....... ;-) 
 
the number that you see is part of the universal tire grading program 
here in the states(stop me if you've heard this)Typically american BTW, 
"universal" means "us" and who cares about the rest of the world...
The tread wear is a comarative measure of wear between tire brands...I 
think 100 was average..220 *is* very good.... the other markings are for 
Traction and temperature graded "A" "B" or "C"  with A being the best 
So Mud and Snow tires that have an "A" for traction will likley have a 
"B" or "C" for temperature....but you could have figured that ...and to 
have an"A"for traction a "B" for Temp. and a 220 for tread wear,you have 
to lay out the *big* money.....but you *and* the Bank manager already 
knew that......

steve.....

"MISTER,WHAT *IS* IT,IF IT'S NOTAJEEP?"....."Kid...are your folks around?..."

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Subject: newbie.
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 94 13:55:17 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

------- Forwarded Message

	id AA27930; Mon, 29 Aug 94 06:06:02 -0700
    Mon, 29 Aug 94 6:07:28 GMT+11
From: "Dale W. Avery" <AVERY@WFOCLAN.USBM.GOV>
Organization:  WFOC Spokane, Washington
Date:          Mon, 29 Aug 1994 06:07:17 +1100
Subject:       Land Rovers
Return-Receipt-To: "Dale W. Avery" <AVERY@WFOCLAN.USBM.GOV>
Priority: normal
X-Mailer:     Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.11a)

Hello, all.

I am in the process of getting up to speed on Land Rovers.  My 
present status is as a non-owner.  I want to find a good, well kept 
109 or 110 within the next 12 months.  I may even consider a SWB late 
series II or III.  
I have a long way to go on the learning curve, so am in no rush to 
put my money down just yet.  If anyone has words of wisdom, I'll be 
all "ears"..    
I am also a "ham", so if anyone wants to get on the air and chat 
about land rovers, please let me know.

my address is avery@wfoclan.usbm.gov

------- End of Forwarded Message

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From: "John R. Benham" <BENHAM@WFOCLAN.USBM.GOV>
Date:          Wed, 31 Aug 1994 10:56:08 +1100
Subject:       Re: Proposal: A new LR club

> From:           IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk
> Organization:   Vet-lab,The Univ of Edinburgh
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> Subject:        Re: Proposal: A new LR club
> Priority:       normal

> > IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk writes:
> > > I'd like to suggest that we register our distribution-list as a club 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 53 lines)]
> #======================================================================#
> I'm not a computing nerd, I'm a computing geek.   |Land Rover owners do
> Geeks are much higher up the evolutionary chain. |  it in the mud.

Ian,

    Why have a `list' of Rover internet names.  The Rover owners who 
use it already know who is on the net.  Also, if it gets any larger, 
it becomes more difficult to weed through all of the messages.  
So far, the only commercial message I have seen was from some 
Florida people trying to sell us Rovers.  Did it ever occur to them 
that we already have Rovers and that they don't wear out?  My feeling 
is to leave the Net alone.  The net will naturally grow in numbers 
and I'm sure someone will always try to break in for it's commercial 
potential.  By making a LRO list would only tempt the commercial 
sector.
    As far as naming us as a group, we already are a group and have a 
name: LRO.  We can't meet like normal clubs, since we are so dispersed 
(as one netter states), so why `organize' more than what it is now.

Regards,

John R. Benham
Spokane, WA USA
 > 

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Little Things......
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 94 14:38:57 EDT

> Well,you know the saying,"Little things please little minds,Little
> breeches fit little behinds".
snip, snip
> Has anyone ever noticed how stupid(and boring) English headgear is?Only a
snip, snip, snip
> Please,lads,how *do* you drive these hats?
> Mike Rooth

Oh, but Mike, you Brits have designed such a magnificent headgear device
that keeps both the sun and the rain out and off the neck AND it's an
easy one to drive.  Your so-called "so'Wester" cap (we call it a nor'Easter
over here) made of waxed cotton and sold by those overpriced Barbour
folks is a dandy.  Fits snuggly over any head be it haired or not with
a brim that easily fits out your 10 inches of window.  Mind you, it does
look a little silly, but we're all getting to think you look that way
anyhow!

rgds,
rd/nige/me barbour n' wellies

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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 14:11:45 EDT
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: Club? Name

Jeez...79 messages overnight...I gotta get into digest mode.  Prodigy is
literally nickel and dime'n me to the poor house!

Whilst channel surfing last evening around 11, I caught a 30 sec. promo for
"Archaeology".  There, in living color, just over John Rhys' shoulder was a
snippet of a wing and bonnet...*MY Rover's* wing and bonnet!  Hot damn!

I think Bill M. is on the right track...what is needed is a snappy acronym
for T-shirts and what not...along with a catchy motto or logo.  In the
Baltimore area, one of the most popular T-shirts is from Bertha's bar in
the Fells Point area - "Eat Bertha's Mussels" a reference to their seafood
fare. S.L.U.T. isn't bad, the "layshaft" reference is even better.  How
about LUGNUTs (Landrover Users Group Network UniTed) or SCREWs (Society of
Cybernet Rover EnthusiastS)?

    *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----*
    |                                                      |
    |  Sandy Grice,  Rover Owners' Association of Virginia |
    |  E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com       FAX: 804-622-7056 |
    |  Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days)  804-423-4898 (Evenings) |
    |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA   |
    *------------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 94 12:07:26 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Newsgroup?  Bio, thanks from BP

In message <Pine.3.89.9408301501.A9251-0100000@netcom9> Fred Heald writes:
> Hello!
> I've been reading the mailing list for a while, and have been wondering:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> to this mailing list?  It would give a lot more exposure, and threads 
> would actually be 'threaded'.

Fred,
if this was a newsgroup we would be constanly bombarded by poeple telling us how
much better their jeep or Land Cruser is than a Land Rover.  We would all have 
to go out and purchase a new set of flame protection gear.  Hang out of 
rec.autos for a while & look at the quality of the postings

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 94 12:06:12 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Proposal: A new LR club

In message <Pine.3.89.9408302115.D25303-0100000@gidney.oswego.edu> Steven M 
Denis  writes:
> Yup...I can see it now
> "Quick Earl!,Get the net...those durn Land Rovers are four wheeling on 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> the information highway!"
> Are we,as a group,dropping clods of mud on the information superhighway??

No, I like to think we are providing the world a service by lubercating the 
internet with the 90 wt leaking from our cars as they speed from node to node.  
Those electrons just flow a little faster and easier with a lubercated 
net....unless of course the electrons happen to get stuck behind a Land Rover on
its way to the next node.

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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Subject: Re: Proposal: A new LR club 
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 12:19:25 -0700
From: Mike Fredette <mfredett@ichips.intel.com>

Weighing in,
....................................................................
	John B writes:
Ian,

    Why have a `list' of Rover internet names.  The Rover owners who 
use it already know who is on the net.  Also, if it gets any larger, 
it becomes more difficult to weed through all of the messages.  
So far, the only commercial message I have seen was from some 
Florida people trying to sell us Rovers.  Did it ever occur to them 
that we already have Rovers and that they don't wear out?  My feeling 
is to leave the Net alone.  The net will naturally grow in numbers 
and I'm sure someone will always try to break in for it's commercial 
potential.  By making a LRO list would only tempt the commercial 
sector.
    As far as naming us as a group, we already are a group and have a 
name: LRO.  We can't meet like normal clubs, since we are so dispersed 
(as one netter states), so why `organize' more than what it is now.

.......................................................................

	I'm afraid I agree with John, I really enjoy the homey/family/
friends feel that the list now has. It has already grown dramitically
in the last year alone, and to have it explode as a full blown club
would IMHO spoil things. People are finding the net and joining anyway, 
I think we should continue in our laid back methods and not get too big
for our britches, just let the list grow as it now does, through word of
mouth Rover owner to Rover owner. Two cents worth.
							Rgds
							
							Mike Fredette
							94 Defender 90
							61 Ser ll 109
							Portland, Oregon

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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 12:25:52 -0700
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Camel in Victoria

>Date: Tue, 30 Aug 1994 23:55:20 -0500 (CDT)
>From: David John Place <umplace@CC.UManitoba.CA>
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>Camel layout with roof rack etc.  I didn't get to talk to the owner, but
>it was a great vehicle.  Dave VE4PN
Good chance that it was Domingos Dias of San Leandro, CA.  Dom's camel 110 
has all the camelgoodies, including rack, cage, elevated breather, 
brushguard, winch, six lights across the front of the rack, sand-mats bolted 
to the sides of the rack, all the special camel tools bolted to the 
bodywork, and six fresh 7.50x16 Michelin XCLs.  Truly an awesome vehicle.  
It says "Turbodiesel" on the back.  It was used for scouting the route in 
the Lake Baikal region of the former Soviet Union, for the 1990 Camel 
Trophy.  If you ever get the chance, meet Dom, he's a really special person. 
 Native of Angola.  He (and his father before him) owned nothing but 
Land-Rovers.  Since I have known him, Dom has owned three of the nicest 
Land-Rovers I have ever seen, culminating with the camel he so proudly has now.

The reason (aside from the fact that there aren't too many around, 
especially with all the goodies intact) that I think this would have been 
Domingos' Land-Rover is that he is good friends with Gordon Kallio who lives 
in Vancouver and has about the nicest military 109 two-door (canvas top) 
that you are likely to see.
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[ Granville Pool                     | 52 80" Series I (gutted, project)  ]
[ mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net          | 59(?) 88" hardtop (parts)          ]
[ 2601 Road I, #0 ("Road-I-Land")    | 61(?) 88" Ser IIa sta wag (project)]
[ Redwood Valley, CA 95470           | 70 88" Series IIa "station wagon"  ]
[ (707) 485-7220                     | 73 88" Series III hardtop          ]
[ Land-Rover's first because         | 74 88" Series III hardtop (project)]
[ Land-Rovers last!                  | (?yr) Ausin Champ 4x4 (project)    ]  
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 16:48:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Newsgroup? Bio, thanks from BP

TeriAnn sez it all;

>> Why not a rec.autos.land-rover Usenet newsgroup instead of or in addition 
>> to this mailing list?  It would give a lot more exposure, and threads 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>Fred,
>if this was a newsgroup we would be constanly bombarded by poeple
telling us >how
>much better their jeep or Land Cruser is than a Land Rover.  We would
all have 
>to go out and purchase a new set of flame protection gear.  Hang out of 
>rec.autos for a while & look at the quality of the postings

I have to agree with TeriAnn, some of the posts to the rec.autos various
groups are just mind boggling, and mundane. Too much exposure is not
better.
 Quality and hands on experience of a group such as we are is much more
valuable. I feel that if I have a question, someone out there has had
the same problem and is more than willing to share extensively detailed
information. 
And the fantastic daily log of the national rally by the unstopable
topless 109 pickup driver was almost like being there. Some of the best
reading in quite a while.
Besides, I enjoy being amongst other "seriously strange" individuals,
and not having to explain to the kid-- "It's not a jeep"
Let's keep it within sensible boundaries.
just my $.02 worth
Jon

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    jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu         \___/ LAND ROVER \___/
                  
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             []]]]]]]]]]]------/               _|     ROADSTER PICKUP
             []]]]]]]]]]]=======|_____========((==|   WITH A GUMMY MAN         
        ____=========_____------|    |            |   IN THE BACK
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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: getting colder
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 94 18:22:15 EDT

> On Tue, 30 Aug 1994, Russell G. wrote;> 
none
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 29 lines)]
> "HEY MISTER,IF IT'S NOTAJEEP,IS IT A TOYOTA?"......."Kid...I hear your 
> mother calling...."

yup, yup, yup........leaves are also (just) starting to show some
non-greens here as well so the days of 30wt. are soon to end, but I
still think that for the April-September season it is not a bad
call at all.  I'd much prefer to have a tad of "slow-lube" at 
startup then to know I'm basically running 10 or 20 wt. when it's
90 degrees plus outside (these are those inflated Farenheit US
degrees, folks).  However, from what I've heard, read, etc. they do say that
the vast majority of engine wear occurs just after you start da motor....

thanks,
rd/nige

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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 94 15:23:12 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Portland Or Bust

The 109 is packed, the dog is in the back, the 90 wt is topped off....
Guess its time to mosy on up to Portland.

Vince, I'll see you in Petaluma Thurs morning.  I'll monitor ch 7 while waiting 
for you.

To those of you who are going.. See YA!

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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From: "Rostykus, John" <john@dspmail.Data-IO.COM>
Subject: Re: P O R T L A N D  ! ! ! !
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 94 15:23:00 PDT

The Rostykii will be there with our "yet-to-be-named" '79 tan 2-dr Turbo-D 
RR, "Fezzik" our large black Newfoundland (not to be confused with TeriAnn's 
large white critter), and, with some luck tonight to get it running, our 
latest addition: "Stoat" (nothing list last minute scrambling...)

Hope to meet some of you there...

John Rostykus
john@data-io.com

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From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@qvarsx.er.usgs.gov>
Subject: Roverweb clarification
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 15:42:33 -0700 (PDT)

Hi All,

The following exchange took place off net, but represents a bit of information
that should be of use to many of the lro listers.  With Greg's permission, I am
posting it for all to use in accessing Roverweb.  Again, the address is:

http://whitman.gar.utexas.edu/roverweb/roverweb.html   

I was pleased to discover that Greg (and perhaps unnamed others?) have
collected a lot of the really good stuff that is being posted, and represents
years of accumulated knowledge and expertise.  I have been trying to save the
pithy observations for future reference, and that rapidly becomes an awesome
task.  I'd suggest that some of the threads could be collected, condensed
(minimally edited) and forwarded to Greg for posting on the Roverweb and
perhaps some of the other sites. It would be a useful exercise for anybody 
involved in the thread conversations, and would capture the knowledge for 
future reference.

The order of the exchange is reversed, of course

Walt Swain (Off to Portland to look at a few Landies)
============================================================================  
Hi Again,
 
Thanks for the clarification.  I used our Mosaic capability, and fell right
into it.  I'd suggest that your explanation ought to be of interest to many on
the lro list, and will post it with your permission.  The knowledge base is
constantly expanding on the Internet and is generally picked up by osmosis.
I'd seen all this, but it hadn't registered.

Walt Swain
============================================================================
(Response)

The address above is in the Uniform Resource Locator format (URL) -
 
http: refers to the type of service provided at this address - this is not
ftp, gopher, or telnet but http which is a World Wide Web server which is
similar to gopher in some respects.
(Response)
You will first need a web client such as Mosaic which runs under X-windows,
windows, and Mac OS or a text only browser such as lynx. If you only have
access to a basic unix account you might try typing
"lynx http://whitman.gar.utexas.edu/roverweb/roverweb.html"
at the prompt. If you have access to a browser such as Mosaic you will want
to use the open url command and then type the url above into the prompt
box.
(Response)
The nice thing about a web server is that there are hypertext links and you
can also embed picts in the text. Its worth a look so check it out.

Greg
===========================================================================

Hi Greg,

I'm confused about the service provided at Roverweb.  The address is in a
format that I am unfamiliar with, and when I cut it down to
whitman.gar.utexas.edu I made the ftp connection, but was informed that there
is no anonymous ftp at the site.  Could you please let us know how to access
Roverweb from a standard Internet site?

Thanks

Walt Swain
Davis, California

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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 18:17:17 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@CC.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: LRO Club Name List

Sorry! Victoria B.C., forgot the other side of the pond has a few Victoria
types as well.  Dave VE4PN
On Wed, 31 Aug 1994, Craig Murray wrote:

> > Does anyone know who was driving a Camel vehicle in Victoria about three
> > weeks ago.  It was parked down by the harbour.  It was a 109 type in full
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
> LROC of Victoria Australia                              2.25 diesel (Soon!)
> email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au

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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 20:29:52 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@CC.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: Club? Name

I thought others might benefit from my experience this week.  Last year I
took my 2 1/4 L engine out and replaced it with a rebuilt.  One of the
problems was a rattle in the engine that I could not find.  I thought it
was valve train related because I used a stethoscope and decided it was
high up in the block and changed with the RPM.  This evening I was
stripping the block to send to a fellow up north and when I removed the
block heater I found the noise.  When the block heater was installed, the
frost plug was driven inside the block and not removed!  Whenever I reved
up the engine and increased the water flow, the frost plug would rattle
around and create a noise.  At idle, the noise was gone.  So for anyone
else with an unaccounted noise, check to see if the frost plug is
"floating" around inside the water jacket before you chuck out the engine.
The new engine is much better, but I could have waited another year before
I spent my $s on lots of parts.  Dave VE4PN

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From: Spenny@aol.com
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 94 21:50:04 EDT
Subject: Names List  /  Help! I've been digested

 have been sent to the digest version of the list, due to AOL's inablility to
recieve messanges nicely, but i am still willing to tally votes if the group
is still inclined to name ourselves, I am confused as to what Bill Caloccia
is saying about our desire to club ourselves, Bill, could you please clarify?

IMHO, i think it would be great to have a name other than the e-mail address
of the mailing list, even if we don't do any other club-like activities.

Here is the list of names as of 12:45 pm EST 8/31/94

1.)   Land Rover Owners Club
2.)   Rover nets
3.)   Low Rangers of the Information Superhighway
4.)   L.R.O.I Land-rovers on the internet (info hiway)
5.)   RoversNet or NetRovers
6.)   L-RIC - Land-Rover Internet Connection (or IL-RIC for International...)
7.)   ILRN - International Land-Rover Network
8.)   Rovers in the Ether (or Roving through the Ether...)
9.)   Land-Rovers, Internet & Beer, a virtual community.
10.)   low-box net surfers
11.)   Ledgendary Land Rovers International
12.)   Rover 4X4s of the electronic highway
13.)   Raving Rovers!
14.)   The Net Rovers
15.)   Rover Rangers of the Infobahn
16.)   Net Rovers
17.)   The Wired Rovers
18.)   Space Rovers
19.)   Cyberspace LAN'd-Rovers
20.)   LROC of the Internet
21.)   CyberLand Rovers
22 )   Land-rover Users Group    (LUG)
23 )   Land-Rover Owners Virtual Register (L-ROVR) 
24 )   Land-Rover Owners Virtual, Internet Group   (L-ROVING)
25 )   Syberspace Land Rover Owners Club
26 )   Society for Landies United Together {Maloney Baloney  ; )  }
I'll post more as i get them

Spenny

Spencer K. C. Norcross                                Spenny@aol.com
Haverhill, Mass. USA
===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===
1969 IIA SWB Bugeye - The Wayback Machine

Land Rovers on the Information Superhighway!
What will they think of next!

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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 08:29:55 -0700
From: jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell)
Subject: oil consumption V4 / catastrophic oil pressure loss

WRT oil consumption (in this case, using my 2.25 liter petrol, rebuilt
about 10K ago): During my recent cross-country drive, I was running
Valoline 5W-20 Synthetic, and after about 6K miles.. I had gone practically
no oil!

In a similar (though contrasting) vein, I was recently on my bi-weekly 1.5
hour highway commute, when I noticed my oil pressure drop to 0!!! I
immediately turned off my engine, and coasted about 2.5 miles to an exit
(amazing luck to have this happen at the top of a hill). After coasting
into a convenient parking lot right off the exit, I checked the oil, and it
was indeed gone (unles you count the underside of the vehicle). There was
even a convenient phone at the lot! I conferred with Charlie @ Rovers North
(I wanted to get any parts on the way before RN closed so I could get back
on the road ASAP). It turned out the mechanical oil gauge feed tube had
broken, and the oil was spilling out this tube. I was going to just tape it
and put a hose clamp around the break, but Charlie pointed out that I could
just remove the banjo y-connector and temporarily dismiss the mechanical
oil gauge (and just have the stock oil pressure warning light). Then I was
back on the road.

This is the second time in the last month that the failure of an
indicator/warning device has crippled my rover (earlier this month the
failure of the red charge light killed the battery *and* took a long time
to diagnose).

fun fun fun

-jory

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: Les's silly hat!
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 14:50:21 +0930 (CST)

Andy writes:
 
> The ultimate sillyhat has to be the one worn by the 'Bush Tucker Man'. What
> a   wally.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> neckstrap first Force10 we got........... And leave him dangling frmo a 
> Paperbark.

Oh Contrair Andy.  Les's hat is well suited to the Tropics he inhabits.  One
of the biggest problems with the more normal hat shape is that it rapidly
fills up with water, during the 5-6" per hour storms.  The "Lemon Squeezer"
type dont.  Sadly the style looks silly and is know hard to come by, unless
you swim in your hat a few times and reshape it.:-)   Mind you les's is a bit
extreme even for me.

On a Rover related note.  Major Hiddins "Bush tucker man" raised the profile
of Land-rovers a lot in this country.  His 110 used to get surrounded by
tourists when he went to the Darwin RSL club, for his quiet ale.   Never met
the man but his rover is a real workhorse set up.
  
-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Disco current cite
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 00:34:45 -0600 (MDT)

Hot off the press:

	Griffin, Larry
	"Land Rover Discovery : just the thing for rascals little and
		big." [road test]
	CAR AND DRIVER
	Vol. 30, no. 3 (Sept. 1994)
	p. 101-109

The verdict:  "good looking, good driving; Rover cachet for lots less
cash".

T. F. Mills                                              tomills@du.edu
University of Denver Library  2150 E. Evans Ave.  Denver  CO 80208  USA

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