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1 Roeland van Delzen [roel14Re: Discovery 5spd / Books?
2 maloney@wings.attmail.co32Meeting Ben Smith
3 Jon Ward [jon@mgroad.dir42Longish Engine Question
4 "R. Pierce Reid" [70004.18New Movie W. Land Rover
5 rparker@world.std.com (R22Re: Discovery 5spd / Books?
6 sat@eng.tridom.com (Step21Re: Discovery 5spd / Books?
7 Jon Humphrey [jh5r+@andr15Re: Longish Engine Question
8 maloney@wings.attmail.co21V8i Question
9 "TeriAnn Wakeman" [twak21Re: Land Rover Camping
10 hiner@mail.utexas.edu (G12British Pacific
11 costales@ICSI.Berkeley.E22Disco Racks?
12 "TeriAnn Wakeman" [twak26Re: My Wheels
13 "TeriAnn Wakeman" [twak31Re: LandRovers in the US
14 Steven M Denis [denis@o17Re: Rattles and Rumblings from Sid
15 Harry Greenspun [hgreens20Re: Disco Racks?
16 "TeriAnn Wakeman" [twak20Re: LR Reliability
17 Steven M Denis [denis@o21Re: Longish Engine Question
18 Steven M Denis [denis@o39Re: Land Rover Camping
19 dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on26[not specified]
20 "John R. Benham" [BENHAM31 Re: Land Rover Camping
21 sim1@cornell.edu (Steve 25Re: famous rover owners
22 mcdpw@pacific.pacific.ne31John's 16" wheels sold!
23 CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR 45Various
24 kjartan@ejs.is (Kjartan)16Post order spares
25 kjartan@ejs.is (Kjartan)15[not specified]
26 "Russell G. Dushin" [dus19whatta drag
27 "Russell G. Dushin" [dus18Re: your mail
28 mcdpw@pacific.pacific.ne36Desert Water Bags, again
29 Craig Murray [craigp@ocs57You are what you drive
30 brabyn@skivs.ski.org (Jo12Re: Oil consumption for the 3.9l
31 brabyn@skivs.ski.org (Jo17Re: Rattles and Rumblings from Sid
32 brabyn@skivs.ski.org (Jo9Re: Oil consumption for the V8
33 dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu24Re: Oil consumption for the V8
34 dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on20[not specified]
35 dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on34[not specified]
36 Russell Burns [burns@cis16Re: Rattles and Rumblings from Sid
37 Russell Burns [burns@cis11Re: Desert Water Bags, again
38 "Steven Swiger (LIS)" [s14Re: Disco Racks?
39 "John R. Benham" [BENHAM18 Window Evap. Coolers
40 "Stephen O'Hearn" [7270019Books and Thanks
41 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn37Re: LR Reliability
42 "T.F. Mills" [tomills@du24Re: Books and Thanks
43 "T.F. Mills" [tomills@du28Re: dimple aerodynamics
44 LANDROVER@delphi.com 17Re: Land Rover Camping
45 LANDROVER@delphi.com 42Re: LR Reliability


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Date: Mon, 29 Aug 1994 09:08:43 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Roeland van Delzen <roeland@inter.nl.net>
Subject: Re: Discovery 5spd / Books?

The book "Land Rover Experience" can be ordered via the LRO Land Rover 
Owner Bookshop (fax xx44-508-458123 / tel xx44-508-458123), UK.
In fact, it is the best instruction to off road driving I know and is 
mainly focused on Landrovers. To be recommended.
I organise off road trainings in Holland and Austria, and provide the 
participants with this book.
Greetings,
Roeland van Delzen
The Netherlands

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Date: Mon, 29 Aug 1994 07:36:04 -0400
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Meeting Ben Smith

I finally met Ben Smith this weekend.  I had heard he was 6'4" but it isn't 
until you meet him that you realize how tall he actually is.  His trying on my 
spare coveralls was amusing, and even with the seat in my 109 wagon folded 
forward, he couldn't lie down (He was trying it on for size, not that I was 
trying to try him on for size).  His hair is brown and long and tied in black, 
and he has a moustache and rectagular framed glasses.  He's also very 
intelligent and well spoken for his age, come to think of it , he's pretty 
well spoken and intelligent for my age!  And he's got the bug.  The Land Rover 
bug.  He is the only person in the state of New Jersey that I know that owns a 
Rover and knows how to work on and carry on an intelligent conversation about 
it.  For hours.  It's great!

We had a chance to work on his 88 Saturday.  Ben diagnosed a loose clutch 
master cylinder pushrod locknut.  He was dead on.  That + broken internal 
clutch master cylinder return spring = clutch pedal with no resistance until 
it just about hits the floor.  A new clutch master cylinder did the trick.  We 
also adjusted the steering while we had the mudshield off.  I hope it's 
improved. 

I'll have to have him over to the office for lunch one day this week.  He'll 
probably be somewhat amused at the way my office is decorated.  I know my 
co-workers certainly are.  Our next get together should be an off road trip.  
Something local.  Then the Pine Barrens.  Can't wait!

Bill Maloney 

maloney@wings.attmail.com 

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Date: Mon, 29 Aug 94 13:04:07 0 GMT
From: Jon Ward <jon@mgroad.dircon.co.uk>
Subject: Longish Engine Question

Thanks for all your replies to my Wheel Colour question. The consensus was 
that the colour I want is Limestone #38505A Code 3307. Now IUve a more 
serious question.

I recently pulled out my 2.25 diesel and installed a newer 2.25 petrol 
from a series 3. The RnewS engine has an unleaded head and a Weber carb. 
At first it worked fine but after my first RrealS run (up to 60 mph with 
no overdrive...) things started going wrong. What happens is that the 
engine starts from cold pretty much immediately and with great vigour and 
then dies almost straight away. If I give it a bit of gas when itUs going 
to die it splutters and then dies anyway. After about ten of these 
abortive starts it eventually gets going but will only carry on running if 
I keep the accelerator pressed down or set the tickover to an unnaturally 
high speed.

While IUm driving it works OK while going fastish but stalls whenever I 
have to stop at lights. Even with the choke out it wonUt tickover.

RWell,S I hear you say, Rwhy donUt you see what the workshop manual says 
about this?S

I have. In fact IUm pretty sure that the problem lies in the fuel system 
since the electrics seem fine. The reason IUm asking you guys about this 
is that the problem has another  factor that the manual doesnUt mention. 
Every now and again everything suddenly gets better again. The engine 
drives sweeter and the tickover purrs with satisfaction at being the 
loveliest piece of design in the world. This excellent state of affairs 
lasts about five minutes before everything goes awry again. Do you think 
that this proves the problem to be fuel rather than timing, electrics or 
gaps? IUm all set to order myself a fuel pump re-conditioning kit. Shout 
if you think I should do something else instead.

jon

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|  You are in a twisty little maze of standards, all conflicting.  |
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Date: 29 Aug 94 08:18:18 EDT
From: "R. Pierce Reid" <70004.4011@compuserve.com>
Subject: New Movie W. Land Rover

Howdy:

I saw a clipping from a new movie starting next month featuring Sean Connary
driving a 109" pickup.  

Title is called "A Good Man in Africa" or something like that.

Actually looked kind of good...

Cheers, 

R. P. Reid
'62 Ser. IIa Military 88 RHD

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Date: Mon, 29 Aug 1994 09:03:38 -0400
From: rparker@world.std.com (Randy Parker)
Subject: Re: Discovery 5spd / Books?

   >Land Rover Experience: A User's Guide to Four-Wheel Driving
   >Tom Sheppard
   >Land Rover, Sep 93, Vine Ho. Distrib.
   >ISBN 0951449338
   >(Is this book mostly novice oriented? Any cool pictures?)

This book at least I was able to order in a U.S. Barnes & Noble and it was there 
within 10 days.  (Barnes & Noble stores will also allow you to special order with no 
obligation to purchase upon review.)

It seems pretty complete -- as a novice, I have found it pretty 
interesting and definitely helpful.    Consider it a reference book on offroading 
with the added advantage of being very specific to LR vehicles, with just a few cool 
pictures.

-- Randy Parker, '94 Discovery
 

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Date: Mon, 29 Aug 94 09:49:03 EDT
From: sat@eng.tridom.com (Stephen Thomas)
Subject: Re: Discovery 5spd / Books?

Gentle Readers:

Sorry to be a pest on this, but my mail server crashed over the
weekend. From the fragments I could reconstruct, it appeared as
if someone posted some helpful hints/instructions about shift
patterns for the 5 speed Disco. If it's not too much trouble, 
could some kind soul mail me a copy? Or perhaps could the
original poster duplicate his or her previous message and mail
it to me? I am myself having a bit more trouble than anticipated
adjusting to the Disco from my old Trooper.

Many thanks in advance!

_____________________________________________
Stephen Thomas   AT&T Tridom   (404-514-3522)
email: sat@eng.tridom.com, attmail!tridom!sat

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Date: Mon, 29 Aug 1994 10:09:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Longish Engine Question

Jon, it sounds to me like you have mud or particles in your carb. Is
there a fuel filter before the connection to the carb? This could need
replacement.
If it is that you have junk in float bowl then the only remedy is to
take off the carb and clean it out. Blow air through all the jets etc,
etc. Be careful with the gasket and you should be able to reuse it.
This should solve the problem.
You should be able to do it in a couple hours.
Later 
Jon Humphrey

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Date: Mon, 29 Aug 1994 10:57:00 -0400
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: V8i Question

A question re V8i engines (3.9):

Land Rover recommends premium fuel ($1.25-$1.30/gal in northern NJ).  If you 
were to use regular ($1.02) would the electronic controls kick in adjusting 
timing and mixture (and the resultant slight loss of gas mileage) or would the 
thing just knock like crazy under load?  One of our managers here has a 
deposit on a Discovery and the question came up.  

(Yea, I know, if he's got the money for a Disco he should be able to afford 
the extra quarter per gallon)

Thanks.

Bill

maloney@wings.attmail.com

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Date: Mon, 29 Aug 94 08:57:14 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Land Rover Camping

In message <01HGCGOM0HMM8WYVCQ@delphi.com>  writes:
> Gee TeriAnn.. I really wonder just how much extra wind resistance you might
> get with a roof rack. Look, the Land-Rover is about as aero-dynamic as an
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>   Gloversville                                                      
>   NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) 

I know the differene in a VW van (1500).  It is very noticable on the highway.  
Same on a VW bug (1200). I assume the LR also being marginally powered would 
exhibit a similar drop in gas milage and added highway drag.

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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Date: Mon, 29 Aug 1994 11:33:31 -0600
From: hiner@mail.utexas.edu (Greg Hiner)
Subject: British Pacific

The British Pacific catalogue is done and worth having.

call 800-554-4133.

Best-

Greg

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From: costales@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (Bryan Costales)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 1994 09:46:11 -0700
Subject: Disco Racks?

I need a roof rack for my Disco. Unfortunately, the "best" rack available
through the dealer is the "expedition rack" and will only hold 250 lbs.
It was described as being a Thule with high legs.

I currently have a galvanized steel rack on my Series III, that bolts
to the drip flange and that can easily support 1,000 pounds. I wouldn't be
crazy enough to put that much weight up there to transport, but I do, at
times, need to have one or two adults standing up there.

Do any of you out there know where I can get a "real" rack for
a disco?

-- 
Bryan Costales -- Systems Manager, International Computer Science Institute
Internet: bcx@icsi.berkeley.edu                         BITNET: bcx@ucbicsi
37 degrees 52.193 minutes north by 122 degrees 16.277 minutes west 

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Date: Mon, 29 Aug 94 09:55:39 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: My Wheels

In message <AA8392DD@mgroad.dircon.co.uk> Jon Ward writes:
> You thought the What's Your's Called thread was trivial. That's nothing 
> compared to this question: What colour are your wheels painted?
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> .....................................................................
> |  You are in a little twisty maze of standards, all conflicting.  |
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I think the correct colour depends upon what you have.  I think, read very 
unsure, that the series I LRs had rims painted the colour of the LR. 
The Series II and later LRs had wheels painted LR white.  A interesting thread 
we had a while back had to do with the colour of the hard tops.  If I remember 
the consisnus, all civilian, non comercial LRs had white tops except for 
stationwagons  The inside of stationwagon tops were painted the colour of the 
car.

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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Date: Mon, 29 Aug 94 10:07:16 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: LandRovers in the US

In message  <9408261338.aa25410@post.demon.co.uk> Dave writes:
> Just wanted to said hello and introduce me and my 1980 Series III two and a
> quarter petrol.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)]
> Any info would be really appreciated,
> Thanks
> Dave

Land Rover parts are available alost exclusivly through mail order.  Parts are 
very expensive in the US.  You would want to mail order parts from the UK in 
large batches (spread shipping cost among lots of parts).

I think you may have problems bringing a 1980 car into the US and if you did you
would face California SMOG regulations.  My advice would be to trade your Land 
Rover in for a 1965 or earlier Land Rover and bring that.  Cars 1965 or older 
are exempt from SMOG regulations in California.  If you bring in a later Land 
Rover up to '67 109 or '74 88, but it will need to meet US spec for emission 
controls.  You can bring in a right hand drive car and not change it over.  But 
a left hand drive car would probably serve as a reminder of which side of the 
road you are supposed to drive on.

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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Date: Mon, 29 Aug 1994 13:32:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: Rattles and Rumblings from Sid

My advice is to keep running the beast,TerriAnn....Mikes engine sounds 
like every revolution will be it's last.....as it has for*years*!
(I just stay out of the plane of the engine when he revs it up :-)  )

steve.....

"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
"        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
"        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
"        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

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Date: Mon, 29 Aug 1994 13:42:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Harry Greenspun <hgreensp@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu>
Subject: Re: Disco Racks?

On Mon, 29 Aug 1994, Bryan Costales wrote:

> I need a roof rack for my Disco. Unfortunately, the "best" rack available
> through the dealer is the "expedition rack" and will only hold 250 lbs.
> It was described as being a Thule with high legs.
    ---------- snip -----------
> crazy enough to put that much weight up there to transport, but I do, at
> times, need to have one or two adults standing up there.

  My understanding is that the Disco's roof is only rated to hold 110 
pounds, whether on the "stylin bars" or on a rain gutter rack.

Harry

(Still waiting for my 5-speed Disco)

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Date: Mon, 29 Aug 94 10:14:38 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: LR Reliability

In message <9408262249.AA25213@easynet.crl.dec.com> "The X Window System: A VMS 
for the 90s" writes:
> >        Half a quart is not enough to make much difference in the level in
> >        the sump...
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> the bottom making it excessively sensitive to oil level.
> monty

Replace the 'O' ring on your oil pump pickup.

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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Date: Mon, 29 Aug 1994 13:42:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: Longish Engine Question

WEBER STRIKES AGAIN!!!!!!

if you take the filter out of the carb and pull the top off it to expose 
the float bowl,you will find *amazing* things!...I have found foam 
rubber,styrofoam,wood chips,and what appears to be seed hulls.....I can 
just *picture* the factory.......I thought that only cookies were made in 
a hollow tree...........

steve.....

"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
"        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
"        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
"        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

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Date: Mon, 29 Aug 1994 15:39:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: Land Rover Camping

Sorry,TeriAnn...I have to agree with "The Lunitic" on this one...Both the 
vw 113 sedan and the 211 Transporter have *MUCH* lower Cd's than does the 
Land Rover... The bug is like,.32 and the early type 2's were an amazing .37!
(the *real* early "barn door" bus was .34 or so w/o the over hang above 
the windshield...but they only had 25 hp....) The landie has to be up in 
the 4's or higher...so on the bug,the roof rack not only adds to the 
total drag by increasing the frontal area,it spoils the good lines of 
the body shell.....on the landie you are really only going to have a 
linear increase in drag,and it may not even be linear,as a good rack when 
laden will not have all the parasite drag of the main body.....(exposed 
doorhinges,mirrors,wiperarms etc.) sooooo load up and head out!....I 
would make the rack removable,as it will not fit in the normal garage 
etc...don't ask how I know...it's way too painfull....
There is a device that might be of some use on a LR,with or w/o a rack...
a vortex generator is a real nifty hang-on that got like 1.5 more mpg on 
a semi *and* cut down on sway and buffeting...they are also used to 
lower the"flaps down" stall speed on a few light cargo type planes *with* 
FAA aproval...so it ain't all hype.....I'll find out more and post....
steve....

ps...don't try this at home but....if you take the mirrors and wiper arms 
and antenna off a vw diesel jetta and tape up the grille...top speed goes 
from approx. 92mph to 
107....*and* not only do you get a speeding ticket,he nails you for 
equipment violations..*and* if you try to get out of *those* by saying 
the parts blew off....you get a ticket for littering.....really....
And I thought the garage bit was embarrassing........

"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
"        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
"        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
"        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

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Subject: Re: My Wheels
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 94 14:14:16 -0500

"TeriAnn Wakeman" <twakeman@apple.com> writes:

> The Series II and later LRs had wheels painted LR white.  A interesting threa
> we had a while back had to do with the colour of the hard tops.  If I remembe
> the consisnus, all civilian, non comercial LRs had white tops except for 
> stationwagons  The inside of stationwagon tops were painted the colour of the
> car.

        My bronze green '64 109 Station Wagon has green side panels, a
        green roof, and a limestone safari roof.  The inside, except
        where covered by padding of various sorts is also green.  Many
        88 Station Wagons I have seen have limestone coloured side panels
        that match the roof colour.

        Rgds,

        Dixon

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
Ottawa Valley Land Rovers / FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

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From: "John R. Benham" <BENHAM@WFOCLAN.USBM.GOV>
Date:          Mon, 29 Aug 1994 13:47:57 +1100
Subject:       Re: Land Rover Camping

> Date sent:      Mon, 29 Aug 1994 15:39:06 -0400 (EDT)
> From:           Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
> Subject:        Re: Land Rover Camping
> To:             TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@apple.com>
> Copies to:      LANDROVER@delphi.com, lro@team.net

> Sorry,TeriAnn...I have to agree with "The Lunitic" on this one...Both the 
> vw 113 sedan and the 211 Transporter have *MUCH* lower Cd's than does the 
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> "        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
> "        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
> "        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061
Steven,

    Excellent answer!  Question: If dimples in a golf ball increases 
it's laminar flow and lowers the drag and the Reynolds number, then 
wouldn't a rough exterior paint on a Land Rover reduce it's 
coefficient of drag?  Seriously, mathematically it stands to reason 
by having air trapped in the boundary layer.

Later,

John R. Benham
Spokane, WA  USA
> Sorry,TeriAnn...I have to agree with "The Lunitic" on this one...Both the 

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Date: Mon, 29 Aug 1994 16:56:40 -0400
From: sim1@cornell.edu (Steve MARGOLIS)
Subject: Re: famous rover owners

I don't know if he still has a Land Rover, but in 1970 when I was looking
for one to buy, I talked to John Amran (jazz musician, composer) who had a
soft-top 88 that he wanted to sell.  Since my primary need for a Land Rover
was for a winter in the Vermont mountains, I decided the soft-top would be
too cold.  I bought the Series I 107 station wagon which I still have
(still in kit form for those who have been on the list for a couple of
years).  The soft-top would undoubtedly have been warmer!!!  I'm lucky I
still have all my toes.

Steve

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Date: Mon, 29 Aug 1994 14:00:57 -0700
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: John's 16" wheels sold!

I put out a message on the net, recently, for my friend John Kirn.  He had a 
set of 16" wheels and tyres for sale.  He had had the ad in the Aluminum 
Workhorse, apparently without any calls.  As soon as I put it on the net, he 
was inundated with calls!  He came back from Colorado to find his answering 
machine clogged with queries about the wheels.  He sold them to the first 
caller, from Ohio.

John thanks everyone for your interest and says, gee, this Internet thing 
works pretty well, maybe I'll have to check it out.  I like to hear that.  I 
love reading the postings that everyone puts.  I print out a lot of the 
technical ones and am saving.  They are piling up quickly; I'll have to 
start a binder.  I guess a smarter way to save them would be to a database 
with a key field or two as to content and be able to quickly access any 
juicy bit. I'll have to work on that...

Again, thanks!

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[ Granville Pool                     | 52 80" Series I (gutted, project)  ]
[ mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net          | 59(?) 88" hardtop (parts)          ]
[ 2601 Road I, #0 ("Road-I-Land")    | 61(?) 88" Ser IIa sta wag (project)]
[ Redwood Valley, CA 95470           | 70 88" Series IIa "station wagon"  ]
[ (707) 485-7220                     | 73 88" Series III hardtop          ]
[ Land-Rover's first because         | 74 88" Series III hardtop (project)]
[ Land-Rovers last!                  | (?yr) Ausin Champ 4x4 (project)    ]  
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Date: Mon, 29 Aug 1994 17:13:13 EDT
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: Various

Back from vacation...there were 181 messages waiting! Whew!
Spent last weekend putting the finishing touches on the trials course for
the October Rally.  Mike Loiodice and Steve Denis dropped by an pronounced
it suitably challenging, though probably not as serious as the Ontario mud
maniacs would prefer.  Dug two pits with the skip loader and, given a bit
'o wet weather, they should become real stickers.  Welded up a broken
intermediate pipe, and even managed to gash a sidewall, necessitating the
purchase of a new 7.50X16 a day later. (That unplanned expenditure
certainly reduced the subsequent purchases of malt beverages!)

Spent the rest of the week camping...sometimes needing first low to get to
the sites.

The rally is coming together nicely...so all you right coasters, *DON'T
MISS IT!*  I've snail-mailed flyers to those who posted inqueries. For
those of who who have just tuned in, it's the Columbus Day weekend, October
8-10 in Buckingham County, Virginia.  Food, fun, fiddlin', four-wheelin'
and much more.  Atlantic-British, Rovers North and British Rovers are all
planning on being there or sending a bunch o' goodies as giveaways.  It is
the first time that Land Rover North America has funded a club event.  It
will also be the first time that ABP and RN have been (or rather will be)
in the same state together!  That alone should provide a good bit of
dramatic tension/fireworks!  I've even set up a database of all those who
have registered in Quattro-Pro.

WRT the thread on famous Rover owners, John Rhys Davies owns four: a roof
tent-equipped IIa 109 in Kenya, a 109 (soon to be 127) work shop vehicle
with a Lincoln arc welder and A/C generator for movie location work, an
ex-RAF '89 110 and a 109 "project vehicle" of uncertain lineage.  The last
three are at his home on the Isle of Mann.  If you get cable and The
Learning Channel, look for John Rhys leaning on my 88 in eight episodes of
"Archaeology" beginning Monday, Sept. 26.

    *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----*
    |                                                      |
    |  Sandy Grice,  Rover Owners' Association of Virginia |
    |  E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com       FAX: 804-622-7056 |
    |  Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days)  804-423-4898 (Evenings) |
    |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA   |
    *------------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Mon, 29 Aug 1994 22:02:33 GMT
From: kjartan@ejs.is (Kjartan)
Subject: Post order spares

Could anybody on the list advise me regarding ordering spares from
A.E.W. Paddock Motors Ltd. 
Are they reliable?
I asked them to send me theyr Range Rover spares catalouge and they sent me
a Land Rover spares catalouge, not wery encouraging.
Does sombody have recommondations regarding suppliers of
Range Rover parts in the UK, capable of shipping world wide.
Regards 
Kjartan Bergsson
Iceland
kjartan@ejs.is

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Date: Mon, 29 Aug 1994 22:08:07 GMT
From: kjartan@ejs.is (Kjartan)

Could anybody on the list advise me regarding ordering spares from
A.E.W. Paddock Motors Ltd. 
Are they reliable?
I asked them to send me theyr Range Rover spares catalouge and they sent me
a Land Rover spares catalouge, not wery encouraging.
Does sombody have recommondations regarding suppliers of
Range Rover parts in the UK, capable of shipping world wide.
Regards 
Kjartan Bergsson
Iceland
kjartan@ejs.is

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: whatta drag
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 94 18:53:46 EDT

> Steven,
>     Excellent answer!  Question: If dimples in a golf ball increases 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
> John R. Benham
> Spokane, WA  USA
Yeah, but it will increase your chances by some nominally insignificant 
amount of being caught by yer local cop's (or CHP's, in your territory)
radar gun!

ya, right....caught speeding in a rover....."gee, orificer, I had no
idea I could go so fast...."

rd/datpeskynigeboy

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 94 19:00:45 EDT

> Could anybody on the list advise me regarding ordering spares from
> A.E.W. Paddock Motors Ltd. 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
> Kjartan Bergsson
> Iceland
> kjartan@ejs.is

Maybe they are trying to tell you something!

(sorry, folks, couldn't resist.....)

unowhu.

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Date: Mon, 29 Aug 1994 16:01:06 -0700
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Desert Water Bags, again

For all you aficionados out there fascinated with desert water bags, I have 
a source for you.  I was waiting to get a flat repaired at Big O tires in 
Ukiah, CA (Mendocino County, about two hours north of S.F.).  To kill time, 
I paid my first-in-a-while visit to G.I. Joe's Army-Navy Surplus, across the 
street.  Always something interesting to look at in a surplus store.  Well, 
there on the wall were two different brands of desert water bags.  Both 
U.S.-manufactured and both made of scottish flax.  "Oasis" brand, one size, 
about 10" x 14", with plastic neck and rubber stopper on a leash, rope 
handle looks to be manilla or sisal, price $16.75.  "Desert Brand", two 
sizes, about 12" x 15", price $12.49, and about 12" x 24", price $13.99; 
these have metal strip holding the top closed, metal neck, old-fashioned 
cork, rope handle looks to be polypropylene (bright yellow).

Seems to me that the ropes ought to be switched, to make the level of 
technology consistent on the two brands of bags!

I asked if the store had a mail-order catalogue and was told no.  Other than 
the retail outlet, the main business of G.I. Joe's is wholesale.  The 
telephone numbers are: (voice)(707) 468-8834, (fax)(707) 468-9025.  This is 
not an ad or a recommendation, only an informational posting (I haven't 
tried either of these bags).

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[ Granville Pool                     | 52 80" Series I (gutted, project)  ]
[ mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net          | 59(?) 88" hardtop (parts)          ]
[ 2601 Road I, #0 ("Road-I-Land")    | 61(?) 88" Ser IIa sta wag (project)]
[ Redwood Valley, CA 95470           | 70 88" Series IIa "station wagon"  ]
[ (707) 485-7220                     | 73 88" Series III hardtop          ]
[ Land-Rover's first because         | 74 88" Series III hardtop (project)]
[ Land-Rovers last!                  | (?yr) Ausin Champ 4x4 (project)    ]  
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From: Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au>
Subject: You are what you drive
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 94 9:13:00 EST

Hi folks,
         I just read this in LROCV's lates magazine and thought it was funny.

Start Quote.

An Australian magazine recently published an article which showed  that your car
reveals a lot about your psychological make-up.  In other words, you are what
you drive.  A few 4x4s were examined and this is what was revealed.

Land Cruiser
Inside every LandCruiser there's a Mick Dundee trying to get out.  He usually
doesn't.  A LandCruiser driver's idea of adventure is going to camperland.  He
roughs it by not taking the television.  Or maybe by taking a small portable and
leaving the remote control at home.
Likes: Paul Hogan and the Bush Tucker Man
Dislikes: Mud on the LandCruiser, and not having the pager alarm go off when
you're with people who don't have one.

Range Rover
Range Rover drivers say the "experts" are frustrated urban cowboys and cowgirls.
They dream of going on safaris in the outback and end up going on up market
barbecues in the park.  The only crocodile they've ever seen has got Lacoste
written underneath it, and the only time they get grease on their hands is when
they eat a chop with their fingers.  You will never see mud on a Range Rover.
The only time a Range Rover driver uses 4WD is for reversing up the drive at
the private beach house or picking up the kids from posh private schools. 
Range Rover drives are usually creative directors, financial advisers and
architects.  Standard dress  is RM Williams boots, Akubra hats and a pocket 
pager.
Likes: Talking commodity prices, restaurants, having a pager alarm go off when
they are with people who don't have one!
Dislikes: Getting bogged (usually in traffic in the CBD).

It looks like the only way to go is in a .....

Land Rover
A Land Rover driver is a real man (or woman).  Rugged individualists - Alby
Mangels with a pocket pager.  They are tough; they eat Vegemite with a spoon,
shave with a Whipper Snipper (not the women) and smoke camels.  Real ones!
Likes: Other Land Rover drivers
Dislikes: A 4WD that isn't a Land Rover.

End Quote.

Please note, that from what I have read on the list, the Range Rover owners
do not generally fit this stereo type, so no flames please.

==============================================================================
Craig Murray                                            1955 Series 1 86"
LROC of Victoria Australia                              2.25 diesel (Soon!)
email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au

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Date: Mon, 29 Aug 94 16:28:47 PDT
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re:  Oil consumption for the 3.9l

My experience has been that it uses more oil than I expected. Mine has used 
at least a quart per 1000 miles ever since I got it, 40,000 miles ago (mine
is up to 90,000 miles now). It doesn't seem to have been increasing, but
the amount seems large by modern standards.

John Brabyn
89 RR

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Date: Mon, 29 Aug 94 16:33:38 PDT
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re: Rattles and Rumblings from Sid

Re suspension pops -- on the Range Rover I started getting them too in severe
off-road axle movements, and thought the Panhard Rod bushing was worn out.
I repalced them and still had the noese, until I torqued up the bolts
on them to unseemly levels. It seems that the inner (brass?) ptube of the
bushing moves relative to the bolt that holds them in unless they are really tight.
tight.

I assume something similar could happen on the bushings used in semi-eliptic
spring shackles etc.

John Brabyn
89 RR

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Date: Mon, 29 Aug 94 16:34:44 PDT
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re: Oil consumption for the V8

I use 10W-40 -- maybe that accounts for my high consumption??

John Brabyn
89RR

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: Oil consumption for the V8
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 1994 09:58:44 +0930 (CST)

> I use 10W-40 -- maybe that accounts for my high consumption??
none

Who knows :-)

I've always used 20w-50 or higher.  When I often use 40-70 when I am going on
long trips.  I really noticed the difference in the oil pressure once the
oil temp settles above 130 C.   When we lived in Darwin NT (Kakadu country) a
holiday to visit the rel's involved a 6500 K return trip.  We used to allow
2.5 days to come down and < 2 to go home.  Using the 40-70 I used about 1 cup
of oil for the trip.   Now we are down in the cold (er) southern climes I
intend to switch to 25w-60 for all occasions.  The last lot of el-cheapo
20w-50 has dropped by about a pint, but it aint been changed since april :-(
Looks like diesel oil.  Oh well I'll have time soon ( I hope)

-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

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Subject: Re: LR Reliability
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 94 20:59:45 -0500

"TeriAnn Wakeman" <twakeman@apple.com> writes:

> Replace the 'O' ring on your oil pump pickup.

        The pressure relief spring should also be checked when he is
        down there.  Dale is doing that this evening with a similar,
        but not as bad, problem.

        Rgds,

        Dixon

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
Ottawa Valley Land Rovers / FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

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Subject: Re: Land Rover Camping
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 94 21:03:22 -0500

"John R. Benham" <BENHAM@WFOCLAN.USBM.GOV> writes:

>     Excellent answer!  Question: If dimples in a golf ball increases 
> it's laminar flow and lowers the drag and the Reynolds number, then 
> wouldn't a rough exterior paint on a Land Rover reduce it's 
> coefficient of drag?  Seriously, mathematically it stands to reason 
> by having air trapped in the boundary layer.

        Hurrah!  I don't have to fix the panels that have been caressing
        the occasional tree, planning off the hidden layers of bondo, that
        I missed hitting head on while at carreening spped in the woods!
        The dimpled panels are actually increasing the efficient flow of
        air across the 109... :-)  I will relate this to Bates, our resident
        walking mechanical nightmare next time "Sally" dies in the woods and
        he does his post disaster walk about with the largish boulder on
        the green tremclad panels... :-)

        Rgds,

        Dixon

        Hmmm, this also makes surface preparation on the "little earth pig"
        that much easier for the soon to come brush job (that has another OVLR
        member and professional bodyman in fits everytime he thinks about what
        I am preparing to do).

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
Ottawa Valley Land Rovers / FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: Rattles and Rumblings from Sid
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 94 19:34:43 MDT

 I think you are supposed replace the bolts along with the bushing.
I have to replace my bushings also. Yne aluminum pop cans I used for shims
wore out during the Land Rover Rally....
Russ
> Re suspension pops -- on the Range Rover I started getting them too in severe
> off-road axle movements, and thought the Panhard Rod bushing was worn out.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
> spring shackles etc.
> John Brabyn
> 89 RR

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: Desert Water Bags, again
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 94 19:40:38 MDT

I was interested in a canvas bag, but the only Landrover using one
at the rally in Co. keeped breaking down.

Russ
 

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Date: Mon, 29 Aug 1994 22:37:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Steven Swiger (LIS)" <swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu>
Subject: Re: Disco Racks?

Try yakima...

On Mon, 29 Aug 1994, Bryan Costales wrote:

> I need a roof rack for my Disco. Unfortunately, the "best" rack available
> through the dealer is the "expedition rack" and will only hold 250 lbs.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 19 lines)]
> Internet: bcx@icsi.berkeley.edu                         BITNET: bcx@ucbicsi
> 37 degrees 52.193 minutes north by 122 degrees 16.277 minutes west 

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From: "John R. Benham" <BENHAM@WFOCLAN.USBM.GOV>
Date:          Mon, 29 Aug 1994 19:49:55 +1100
Subject:       Window Evap. Coolers

Dear LRO's,

    Does anyone remember those evaporator water window air coolers 
for autos (c. 1950's-1960's)?  Can one still buy them?  I'm thinking 
of mounting one on the right side panel window of my 88 to keep the 
Rover cooler on longer desert trips.  I used to have one, but the mice 
liked it more than I did.  Comments?  Suggestions?

Later,

John R. Benham
Spokane, WA USA

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Date: 30 Aug 94 00:02:09 EDT
From: "Stephen O'Hearn" <72700.3262@compuserve.com>
Subject: Books and Thanks

Thanks for the several responses re the book Land Rover Experience. I'll
be in the Seattle - Vancouver - Victoria area for a few days so I'll be
keeping a lookout. I tried Bookstar (local book super store chain) but
they were suprisingly unhelpful. I'll be looking for an LA area Barnes
& Noble.

Treading Lightly...

Stephen O'Hearn
1994 Defender 90

+----------------------------------------------------------------+
| "The Romans built roads because they didn't have Land Rovers." |
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Date: Mon, 29 Aug 1994 22:07:28 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: LR Reliability

> Parking brake  CABLE????????
> Lets see lever goes through seat to rod.  Rod connected to metal leaver 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> mounted 
> mechanical brake.

> ummm where is there a cable in your mechanical brale system?

Okay, okay...  So I don't know what I'm talking about.  <g>  On my old van, 
it was a cable (I think).  Anyway, something fell apart.  

Which brings me to another question...  The rover has started making a sort 
of "clank"ing noise when ever power is applied -- that is, when letting out 
the clutch and giving it gas, or giving it gas after coasting a bit -- and, 
to a lesser extent, when you let up on the gas pedal.  

It doesn't happen when you're in neutral, whether the clutch is in or when 
the Transmission, Transfer case, or overdrive are in neutral.  Scotty did 
say that the rear diff was "sloppy" (one of those technical terms I don't 
understand) when he put the transmission in.  Could that be the problem?  

This just started at the very end of our Canada trip.  The next step is to 
disconnect the rear prop shaft and see if it happens in front-wheel-drive.

Thanks in advance!

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: Books and Thanks
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 1994 00:04:06 -0600 (MDT)

Stephen writes:
 
< Thanks for the several responses re the book Land Rover Experience. I'll
< be in the Seattle - Vancouver - Victoria area for a few days so I'll be
< keeping a lookout. I tried Bookstar (local book super store chain) but
< they were suprisingly unhelpful. I'll be looking for an LA area Barnes
< & Noble.

Forget the major bookstore chains -- they actually suppress creativity
and true literature with their corrupt market mentality.  In the big
cities, try large independent bookstores or specialty car book stores.

If you don't find it before you get back to the LA area, contact
British Pacific (3317 Burton Ave, Burbank  800-554-4133).  They stock
the title in question, as well as every other Land Rover item in print.

T. F. Mills                                              tomills@du.edu
University of Denver Library  2150 E. Evans Ave.  Denver  CO 80208  USA

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: dimple aerodynamics
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 1994 00:14:01 -0600 (MDT)

Dixon scripsit:

<         Hurrah!  I don't have to fix the panels that have been caressing
<         the occasional tree, planning off the hidden layers of bondo, that
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
<         he does his post disaster walk about with the largish boulder on
<         the green tremclad panels... :-)

Hmmm...  I missed wherever this thread started, but I'm beginning to
understand a lot.  I have a 109 too, and it's name is "Sali" too, and
it has dimples, and it's reputed to be the fastest old Rover in
Colorado.  Not being terribly mechanically inclined, I'm glad to
finally realize that it's all somehow connected.  I never knew where
the dimples came from, but now that I know Sali aspires to be a golf
ball I don't really need any deeper answers.

signed,

the old goof ball,

T. F. Mills                                              tomills@du.edu
University of Denver Library  2150 E. Evans Ave.  Denver  CO 80208  USA

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 1994 02:19:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Land Rover Camping

> From:   IN%"denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU"  "Steven M Denis" 29-AUG-1994
15:43:23.24> 
> ps...don't try this at home but....if you take the mirrors and wiper arms 
> and antenna off a vw diesel jetta and tape up the grille...top speed goes 
> from approx. 92mph to 
none

You didn't *really* do this, did you Steve???
And they call ME a lunatic!!! Oy!

Cheers...

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 1994 02:39:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: LR Reliability

On 8/30/94 Roger writes...

> Which brings me to another question...  The rover has started making a
none
sort 
> of "clank"ing noise when ever power is applied -- that is, when letting
out 
> the clutch and giving it gas, or giving it gas after coasting a bit --
and, 
> to a lesser extent, when you let up on the gas pedal.  
> It doesn't happen when you're in neutral, whether the clutch is in or when
> the Transmission, Transfer case, or overdrive are in neutral.  Scotty did 
> say that the rear diff was "sloppy" (one of those technical terms I don't 
> understand) when he put the transmission in.  Could that be the problem?  

Might be... from what you have written, the sound is originating somewhere
after the transfer case..  

> This just started at the very end of our Canada trip.  The next step is to
> disconnect the rear prop shaft and see if it happens in front-wheel-drive.

You went to Canada! That's it! The Canada Clank strikes again!!  ;-)

Seriously... If you have freewheeling front hubs, does it make the sound
with the hubs unlocked? Could be your front prop shaft.
Or it could be your rear prop shaft. Could be the u-joints are worn. If you
do disconnect the rear shaft, check the U-joints for play. Hold the shaft
and try to twist the u-joint flange. If you have play, replace the u-joint.  
"Sloppy" *IS* a technical term, at least in my book.. Just means there is
too much wear in gears, bearings, etc. 
Good luck with it.
Cheers..
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern)       

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