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Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 09:02:01 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Roeland van Delzen <roeland@inter.nl.net>
Subject: Dutch LRO

Hallo!
As a new member to this list, I'd like to introduce myself. My name is 
Roeland van Delzen and I live in the Netherlands. Since 10 years I'am 
infected by the Landrover virus. At the moment, I drive a 1992 Defender 110 
Tdi Stationwagon. This car if fully preparated for long distance 
journeys (GPS navigation, long distance fuel tanks, Air Camping, raised 
air intake, protection guards, frige, etc). In the past I had a 72 III 109, 
70 III 109, 82 88 III, 89 90 TD. As usual I still have many boxes with 
parts of all those cars. Recently I joined the Land Rover Club Holland 
which organises off road weekends, joint vacations trips (Island) and of 
course technical assistance.
Besides off roading in the weekends, I mainly use my LARO for vacation. 
Once a year I make a long(er) trip. This summer I went to Africa and 
crossed the Maroccan/Algerian dessert and the High Atlas Mountains. I can 
recommend this trip to any globetrotter.
Now some questions I'am interested in:
1) Is there anybody from Denmark on this list ? As I have a Danish 
girlfriend I'am regularly in Denmark and wondered if there are 
any off road clubs overthere (Jutland area / Sonderborg)
2) I plan to go to Island coming summer (July 95). Is there somebody from 
Island on this list and/or has somebody been there ? I like to exchange 
some experiences. E.g. what is the fastest / cheapest way to come there ?
3) I plan to buy some 9.00 size tyres for my 110. Does somebody know 
where to buy them. And how much ## ?
4) Recently I came across a 1.20 m deep river and (of course) went 
through it (knowing I had my raised air intake). My Tdi went through 
is beautifully, however, (lots of ) water/mud came into my air ventilation 
system. After cleaning and drying it, my fuses burn through the whole 
time. Has anybody tips for this ?

Looking forward to hear from you,
Roeland van Delzen
Maarssen / The Netherlands

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Date: 22 Aug 94 08:28:07 EDT
From: "BENJAMIN G. NEWMAN" <71773.3457@compuserve.com>
Subject: FOUR WHEEL DRIVE.

Help......I can't get my '66 109 wagon into four wheel drive.I push the yellow
knob in and it won't stay down..What's wrong and how do I fix it?
Thanks
Benjamin G. Newman,MD

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Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 07:57:50 -0400
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Softtops on the Mid-Atlantic Off Road Course

Sandy, 

I just received the flyer for the Mid Atlantic rally and noticed a line 
stating that no open topped vehicles would be allowed on the off road course, 
only enclosed vehicles.  How does a canvas topped vehicle fit in?  I 
understand that a hoop set does not afford the same protection as a roll bar 
or hard top.  Is the course rough enough that roll overs are likely?  If so 
is there another side trip planned through logging roads or such?

I realize you're away for the week and won't expect a quick reply.

Bill 

maloney@wings.attmail.com 

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Date: 22 Aug 94 08:43:55 EDT
From: Randy Parker <75300.2654@compuserve.com>
Subject: Reuters News blip on Land Rover

  LONDON, Aug 21 (Reuter) - Profits at Land Rover, the four-wheel drive vehicle
unit of Bayerische Motoren-Werke's (BMW) Rover Group, will be at least 150
million stg this year and could top 200 million next year, the Sunday Times
said.
    The newspaper said motor industry sources told it Land Rover made profits
last year of about 120 million stg on sales of 1.3 billion. This year, sales
will aproach two billion stg and the business is expected to reach profits of
150 million despite launch costs of an expected new super-luxury Range Rover.
    BMW bought Rover this year from British Aerospace Plc, which did not split
out Land Rover and the Rover cars unit's profits.
    The report said profits from Land Rover could hit 200 million stg next year,
although the bottom-line figure could be reduced by a 68 million stg investment
programme.
    It said the figures by implication showed the extent of losses at the
conventional cars side of Rover Group. Rover last year reported operating profit
of 56 million stg, implying Rover cars lost about 64 million stg.

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Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 13:48:40 +0100
From: anonymous <anonymous@uk.stratus.com>
Subject: Importation & Registration Questions

--------

Feel Free to respond in private, I'll summarized or re-send as requested,
anonymously...

With the immenent moving of a FOL (Friend Of the List) to the States,
a number of questions have become important:

(1)  Old petrol engined vehicles be freely imported which were made up until 

    (a)  but not including, 1967 ?
    (b)  and including 1967 ?
        (please site source/reference)

(2)  Old diesel engined vehicles be freely imported which were made up until 

        19__ ?

        (please site source/reference)

(3)  If one were to bring in a pile of L/R parts, how does one then get a
     L/R on the road ?

        Kit Car Title ?

        An old L/R title (Salvage or Not) ?

        Are some state less anal ?

         Vermont ? (I know a number of european exotics (Lancia Delta
            Integrals, G-ladder Supercharged Golf 4x4s) that have landed
            via a certain rally prep shop there..) Anyone a Vermonter ?

         Massachusetts - as of five years ago, they only required a bill of
           sale to register a vehicle with a transferrable registration,
           if the said vehicle was greater than 10 years old. (John H.
           could you verify with the RMV if this is the case still ?)

         New York is a bit anal as I recall... but once you've to paper from
        somewhere else they'll take it.

(4)    Anybody have papers & bulkhead plate for a dead North American-spec
       L/R (or Pre-67) that won't be resurrected ?

 -anonymous

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Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 09:53:51 -0400
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Celebrity Rovers

Roger writes:
   
none
Maybe someone should be keeping a list of celebreties who own Rovers?

The one's I've heard of are:

Robert Wagner     (Too cool not to)
Robin Williams    (Defender, but used to drive an 88 before Mork)
Janet Jackson     (Gift from agent or someone)
John Rhys Davies  (According to Sandy Grice)
none

The celebrity Rovers I have heard of are:

Billy Joel      (109 which he sold a number of years ago)
Ralph Lauren    (2 Defender 110s sprayed black)
Michael J. Fox  (Range Rover at his Woodstock VT farm)
Tom Kean        (Ex-NJ governor-Defender 90)
Aurthur Miller  (Series I 80 or 86" - can't tell. I have a photocopy of a 
                somewhat full figured Marilyn with one leg dangling out the 
                driver's side - I doubt it's still his daily driver)
Sting           (I think)
Bryan Adams     (Defender 90 - look closely at the white spoked wheel on his 
                recent album cover - the surrounding bodywork & frame should
                look familiar)
Ted Nugent	(I think it is a 109, but I'm not certain)

If the above are somewhat or completely incorrect, I'm sure we'll hear from 
someone.

Bill

maloney@wings.attmail.com

       

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From: "John R. Benham" <BENHAM@WFOCLAN.USBM.GOV>
Date:          Mon, 22 Aug 1994 08:38:53 +1100
Subject:       Shocks and Disc Brakes

Dear LRO's,

    I have a 1968 88 which currently has the Rancho RS-5000 shock 
absorbers: # 5163 on front and # 5169 on rear.  Is there anyone aware 
of another company, such as Monroe, that makes a shock absorber with 
overload springs for the Land Rover?  If someone out there knows of 
one, I would appreciate the manufacturer's stock number since 
manufacturers have cross over numbers but may not list the Land 
Rover in their catalog.
    Second question: Can an older Land Rover be retro-fitted 
with front disc brakes?  If so, can you share the companys address 
and telephone number?
    Several of us from the Spokane area are caravanning to the 
Portland All British Meet over Labor Day.  This year the car featured 
is the Land Rover.  The word out on the Rover street is that there 
will be around 70-80 Land Rovers!  Hope to see you all there.

Regards,

John R. Benham
Spokane, WA USA

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Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 11:34:40 -0400
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Re: FOUR WHEEL DRIVE

Ben Asks: 

none
Help......I can't get my '66 109 wagon into four wheel drive.I push the 
yellow knob in and it won't stay down..What's wrong and how do I fix it? 
Thanks Benjamin G. Newman,MD 
none

Ben, 

I had a similar problem with my 109 when I first got it.  I think that the 
shaft/s that allow the 4WD engagement dog are sticking/rusty/dry.  I'll 
assume that the red knobbed lever was all the way forward when you pushed the 
yellow lever down.

1st, make sure your transfer is full of oil.  Next pull back the red lever 
for 4WD low (it may be stiff/sticking).  Be sure to engage the clutch 
first.  This will engage the 4WD engagement dog which has oil slinging 
paddles what will throw the oil up against the shafts & everything else in 
the ouput housing.

If you're on pavement and have free wheeling hubs, set the front hubs in the 
"free" position to prevent drivetrain wind-up.  If you do not have lockable 
hubs and are on pavement, choose as straight a stretch as possible to keep 
wind up to a minimum.  Drive it a few miles.  

Stop and work the red lever back & forth to free up the mechanism.  With the 
red lever all the way forward, push the yellow knob (4WD low) down.  It 
should stay down at this point.  Pull the red lever all the way back, and 
then forward.  The yellow knob should pop back up.

If not, you probably have an internal fault in the output housing causing the 
mechanism to stick.  If you were to remove the transfer and ouput assembly 
and separate and strip them down, you would find the problem.  This stuff is 
not as complicated as it appears.  Just follow your manual step by step.

Good Luck!

Bill

maloney@wings.attmail.com

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Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 17:24:57 +0100 (MET)
From: S|ren Vels Christensen <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
Subject: Post Vacation Posting

Hi all.

Well, i'm back on job from 2 weeks vacation (deep sigh!).

I was curious to find out if i could go to Jutland and back with a busted
gearbox. I could. Even made the ferry ramps.

I picked up my 7 year old son for his first ride with Aurens. '' It's not
as noisy as you said over the phone, dad''.
''What?''
''It's not...''

We went to Roemoe, an island off the Jutland coast. It has a 3 km (2 mi)
wide beach to the west. In August, all the German tourist are gone, and the
wind makes some wonderful dunes, about 3 - 6 ft high. Did you know that a
Landie (Landie!) could fly? The manual didn't mention it.
I had to change the exhaust anyway.

I think my friend Lawrence enjoyed a day at the beach. So did my son and i.

About lubricating devices:
I use a .50 l mustard bottle of thin plastic with a pointed spout at the
end. Very cheap, very efficient. I keep the used ones, so that i won't have
to gobble half a litre of mustard just beacuse the diff needs oil. Which is
rare since i use teflon tape on the filler plugs.

BTW, when we got home to my parents place from the beach, my dad said ''Your
car is leaking oil''. When i checked, oil was dripping from the rear left
corner. Hey, wait a minute. That can't be! Well it can be, - the before-
mentioned device was in the tool compartment. And it was full when it put it
there. Was! :-(
Well, at least my tools won't rust. :-)

I read about the Transsylvanian Trophy in the club magazine. 2 brits rolled
over 2 1/2 times in a 130". It looks like a used car on the picture. A
german in a 90" persuaded one of the local farmers to try the Defender instead
of the ox to pull the plow. It went fine until the driver wacked it i 2. and
released the engine. There is also a picture of a Rangie with at least 45deg
toe-in. When reading the article it seems to be rather a tough outing. One
stage was 50 km (30mi) long. In a river that is.
Is Camel afraid to scratch the paint on the Disco's?
 
Well enough for now. I'll try to get home without getting sick from CO2.

CU

+----------------------------+--------------------------------+
| Soren Vels                 | 1976  sIII  109"   2.25 petrol |
| velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk     | "Lawrence of Arabia"           |    ((|||))
| Royal Danish Air Force     | Dansk Land-Rover Klub no. 3564 |   ((|||))
| Communications Specialist  | DL-RK: Approx. 1000 members.   |    ((|||))
+----------------------------+--------------------------------+__((|||))______

######################((|||))#############((|||))

                            AVoN RANGEMASTER 
                                 7.50 16

######################((|||))#############((|||))

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Date: Mon, 22 Aug 94 09:14:39 MST
From: DEBROWN@srp.gov
Subject: Finally did it! '95 Discovery!!!

FROM:  David Brown                          Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist
       AM/FM - PAB204 X-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: Finally did it! '95 Discovery!!!
Well, I finally did it, put a deposit and ordered a '95 Land Rover
Discovery! Now the hard part... the 2-3 month wait! :( I've decided to
go with everything, dual a/c, jump seats, automatic, dual sunroofs, and
leather, plymouth blue, and also the rhino bars, or for the urbanites,
"whino" bars. ;)

Someone asked about rear fogs... yes, it does have them. they're the
lower portion of the tail lamp assembly on the body (not the bumper
lights) and are activated by a button on the left side of the dash.

Differences from '94 to '95 model... still unknown, but will let you
know as soon as I find out.

I would like some help with the CD player though. LR uses a Pioneer 6
disk changer but is somehow integrated with the LR radio. Does anyone
know if this particular model is available? I copied all the numbers off
the unit I could find, and I think the model is a CDXM65. Are there any
modifications to this that make it work with the stereo? I just can't
see spending $800 for the LR unit if I can get it elsewhere for half of
that. (other numbers on the unit are ANR3053 and NK001487)

Now... to sell my '86 Acura and '87 Hyundai Excell... (Hint, hint...)

Thanks to ALL of you who have responded to my notes asking for opinions,
and advice on vehicles and equipment, etc... I REALLY appreciate all of
you who have responded to me. When I do get it, I'd like to meet some
of you! Let's go "wheeling"!!! I live in Phoenix (actually Mesa)
Arizona USA. Anyone else???

   #=====#              "Never doubt that a small group of individuals
   |___|__\___           can change the world... indeed, it's the only
   |   |   |  |          thing that ever has."
"  "`O'""""`O'"                                               -unknown

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Date: Mon, 22 Aug 94 09:22:39 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: canvas bags revisited.

In message <199408211744.AA14137@crl4.crl.com> Roger Sinasohn writes:
> Sounds like these water bags might be a candidate for sitting in the spare 
> tire on the bonnet?  I'm gonna have to see if I can find one hereabouts.  
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
> San Francisco, California                               

Probably a poor idea..  
1.  The better the air flow the better the cooling.
2.  They are designed to leak slowly (and hang upright).  The inside of your rim
and the bonnet fixings would be wet all the time.

I hang mine on the grill.  I have a lock down post in the center front of the 
bonnet (from Previous owner) that I hang the bag from.

The front of the car seems to be the best place to hang them while driving.  If 
you hang it on the side from a mirror post or something it will flop around.  
Hang it in the back and you get a nice coating of dust, what ever the tyres kick
up and whatever oil is leaking.

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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From: costales@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (Bryan Costales)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 09:33:48 -0700
Subject: Waving revisited

My disco was in the shop this weekend (having whino bars installed), so I was using
my grizzly Series III to get around town. While parked on University here in Berkeley,
waiting for the local camera shop to open, I saw a cream colored 2A 88. I waved and
they waved back. Very civilized.

A short while later, a bright red disco came by. This time my wave was roundly
ignored. Very uncivilized.

If any of you you know the owner of a red disco in Berkeley. Please give that
person a call and an education about rover road courtesy. That driver is, I fear,
just one among the many who will be giving we disco drivers a bad name.

-- 
Bryan Costales -- Systems Manager, International Computer Science Institute
Internet: bcx@icsi.berkeley.edu                         BITNET: bcx@ucbicsi
37 degrees 52.193 minutes north by 122 degrees 16.277 minutes west 

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Date: Mon, 22 Aug 94 09:38:17 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: LR Reliability

In message <199408211723.AA13180@crl4.crl.com> Roger Sinasohn writes:

> Parking brake cable broke.  (I'll have to get it fixed if I'm gonna park in 
> SF.

Parking brake  CABLE????????
Lets see lever goes through seat to rod.  Rod connected to metal leaver pointing
dwen under passenger seat.  connected o another rod to transfer case mounted 
mechanical brake.

ummm where is there a cable in your mechanical brale system?

> So are Land Rovers reliable?  Well, keep in mind that my vehicle is 35 
> years old.  (a 1959 Land Rover 109")  So I'd have to say yes.  (Also keep 
> in mind that I'm a mechanical jinx and things do their darndest to fall 
> apart around me.  I've never had a toaster that worked properly.)
none

Mine seems to be keeping going, but it sounds like its winding up for the 
olimpic piston throw.  Scotty said to drive it & not to worry, but as soon as I 
get the MGB running reliably, I planing on taking the LR back to him to have him
try to figure out what happened (It has been making the noise since he built the
engine).  I'm going to be taking it up to Portland all British FIeld meet this 
year, but going far from home with a rattling engine always scares me.  I'm not 
good at not worrying when en angine rattles too loud to talk in the car.

> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
> San Francisco, California                               

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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Subject: L/R of the stars: defender 110 ''polo``
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 94 12:43:11 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

The salesman at my formerly local L/R dealer (Foreign Motors West, Natick, Ma)
mentioned that Ralph Lauren evidently fitted his L/Rs with custom interiors
(he being the designer and all), and the vehicles were re-sprayed to his
specifications (somehow I got the impression that there were more than two,
and they weren't necessarily the same colours).  As there was a used one
I was looking at on the lot, and he was hoping to make another sale to Ralph,
I certainly wouldn't buy a 110's with 6300 miles, and one salt laden
winter in the NE -  [rust was already breaking through on the door posts and
some other places ! ] for $2000 over the new list price.

PS I also noticed that between the US Defender 110's and the '90's  they added
rubber gaskets at the body surfaces of the snap-together 'safari cages'...

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Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 18:33:20 +0100 (MET)
From: S|ren Vels Christensen <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
Subject: Umbrellas

On Thu, 18 Aug 1994 Malcolm956@aol.com wrote:

> >So what does everyone else do??????????????
... cut off ...
> strong, and adjustable to fit Land Rover rear side windows.  You may not be
> into guns, but the racks are ideal for umbrellas, fishing rods, bow saws,
... cut off ... 

Off course an umbrella is a MUST. It's a British car, isn't it? :-)

> Cheers from New Hampshire, 
> Malcolm
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> |    | |    ]
>  (@)-----(@)    ... . -- .--. . .-.   ..-. ..   *\:{>

BTW, i have a little (two inch) alf sitting next to the rear window. It's
been there for ages. None of the previous owners dared to remove it, and
neither do i. Who knows what will happend???

+----------------------------+--------------------------------+
| Soren Vels                 | 1976  sIII  109"   2.25 petrol |
| velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk     | "Lawrence of Arabia"           |    ((|||))
| Royal Danish Air Force     | Dansk Land-Rover Klub no. 3564 |   ((|||))
| Communications Specialist  | DL-RK: Approx. 1000 members.   |    ((|||))
+----------------------------+--------------------------------+__((|||))______

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Date: Mon, 22 Aug 94 10:32:48 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Land Rover Camping

In message <199408211746.AA14261@crl4.crl.com> Roger Sinasohn writes:
> I too like the minimalist approach,

Minimalist???

I thought I was taking everything except the kitchen sink

 
> * First aid kit (don't leave home without it)
  I have a small one mounted to the inside fire wall
> * Plate (maybe two)
  same
> * two cups (one for soup, one for tea/wine/milk/etc.)
One cup, but I travel alone
> * Fork/spoon/chopsticks
no chopsticks
> * Kershaw straight knife (One of the best things I've ever bought)
Old steak knife
> * small can opener
mediun size can opener
> * frying pan
> * sauce pan
Camp cooking kit that has pot and lid that serves as frying pan & bowel
> * Clothes (usually, one *small* duffel bag -- another best buy: $5 and who 
> cares about the indiana horses or whatever team is on it!)
clothes in plactic tub with lid
> * Coleman 2 burner stove (Price Club = $50?)
same
> * Propane tank (Price Club = $15)
My propane tank is built into car in front of rear wheel
> * 1 std coleman canister (just in case)
same but for lantern
> * Coleman propane lantern (Price club = $30)
same
> * Propane pipe (attaches to tank, lantern sits on top, connectors for
Long hose to go between tank & stove 
> stove)
> * 5 gallon bottle of water
I bring two, but I also fill dog water dish, & use a lot for dishes
> * water pump for 5 gallon bottle (Orchard Supply Hardware)
I just lift & pour
> * cooler
same
> * mattress pad (think this is gonna get thicker - my back is killing me)
chase lounge pad
> * Coleman Sleeping bag (unless it's gonna get *real* cold, then I bring a 
> real sleeping bag)
real sleeping bag
> * Fanny pack with mini maglite, pouch for camera, water bottle bag, and 
> aforementioned Kershaw
not on my list
> * Water bottle
I use small bottle of bottled water
> * Camera
Tonnes of camera gear
> * spare film
lots of film in the cooler.  some space left over for food
> * CB Radio
I leave it behind when I take the LR because i have not found a good place to 
put the magnetic antena
> * Big box of kleenex (Sinasohn nose)
paper towels
> * 12v spotlight
hand lantern
> * Cellular phone
Say what?

folding table for stove (I cook outside car)
folding chair
pillow
2 buckets (one for washing, one for rinsing)
coffee pot for tea and hot water for doing dishes
Pile of tools, Rover's North catalogue in case I need to order parts on the road
Dg food, dogs food & water dishes, long chain & old car cover for him to use as 
bed when I throw him out on chain for the night.
small tarp
rope
small wood cutting board

> Optional equipment:
> * Atari Lynx video game system (great for the passenger on long trips)
none
nope
> * Handheld color TV & powered antenna (Rachel wanted to watch some football
nope, I bring a book or two (minimlist you say?) 
> * Laptop computer 
Mine stays home (I'm escaping it)
> * 12v Inverter (to power the Laptop)
nope see above
> * Radio
nope
> * portable toilet (if camping away from restrooms and Rachel's along)
been thinking of one  (usually about 3 AM)
> * Folding table (for playing poker)
always bring for cooking
> * Folding chairs
always bring, table is too low to lean over for too long
> That's about it.  Anybody bring along anything that I might want to bring? 
> * Atari Lynx video game system (great for the passenger on long trips)

optional,
desert bag
stuff fo a fire or BBQ
second propane lantern

> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
> San Francisco, California                               

Our lists of things to bring are very simular...minimilist you say?  I never 
thought of it that way

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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Date: 22 Aug 94 13:33:46 EDT
From: "BENJAMIN G. NEWMAN" <71773.3457@compuserve.com>
Subject: engine replacement

I recently purchased a 1967 109"NADA wagon almost fully restored.After having 
some engine and oil leak problems I was told that my engine was a 1955-59 
Rover car engine.I was told that parts for this engine are almost impossible 
to get and that this engine was the worst Rover made.I now want to replace it.
Spoke to Mr. Turner of Turner engine fame from the UK who suggests replacing 
mine with a 4cyl.2.5 re-built by Turner.IF i did this I would like to change 
the rear ratio's to gain more speed [I do little off road work ].I would like 
to hear other's advise and suggestions.Thank
Benjamin G. Newman

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Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 19:35:49 +0100 (MET)
From: S|ren Vels Christensen <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
Subject: Re: Dutch LRO

On Mon, 22 Aug 1994, Roeland van Delzen wrote:

> Hallo!
> As a new member to this list, I'd like to introduce myself. My name is 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 34 lines)]
> Looking forward to hear from you,
> Roeland van Delzen
> Maarssen / The Netherlands

+----------------------------+--------------------------------+
| Soren Vels                 | 1976  sIII  109"   2.25 petrol |
| velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk     | "Lawrence of Arabia"           |    ((|||))
| Royal Danish Air Force     | Dansk Land-Rover Klub no. 3564 |   ((|||))
| Communications Specialist  | DL-RK: Approx. 1000 members.   |    ((|||))
+----------------------------+--------------------------------+__((|||))______

######################((|||))#############((|||))

                            AVoN RANGEMASTER 
                                 7.50 16

######################((|||))#############((|||))

I think this will do for now.

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Date: Mon, 22 Aug 94 10:49:49 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: FOUR WHEEL DRIVE.

In message <940822122807_71773.3457_FHM53-1@CompuServe.COM> "BENJAMIN G. NEWMAN"
writes:
> Help......I can't get my '66 109 wagon into four wheel drive.I push the 
> yellow
> knob in and it won't stay down..What's wrong and how do I fix it?
> Thanks
> Benjamin G. Newman,MD

Benjamin,

Don't panic yet.

go under the car to where the front of the transfer case is.To the left of the 
back of the front drive shaft is the high range 4 WD linkage.  The rod with the 
yellow knob connects to one end of a little bar that is bilted in the center.  
The other end of this bar connects to  an inverted 'L' shaped rod that goes into
the front top of the transfer case.  You may just have lost a cotter pin or had 
the bolt fall off.

I know you are new to land Rovers.  The yellow knob is not used while in low 
range.  it is for high range 4WD only, and is released by shifting the red 
knobed lever into low range and back.  If you try to depress the yellow knob 
while in low range it will not stay down.

If your problems is not one of the two above, you can go ahead & panic.

Take care,

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 11:18:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Larry Rubens <lmr@netcom.com>
Subject: Reply to David Brown

> I've been comparing the available sport utility vehicles sold in the USA
> and my conclusion is: There is no comparison. Anyone that chooses
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> with it. Otherwise, for purely off road use, the Defender would be the
> vehicle of choice.

I just went through the same routine and I agree 100%.  I ordered a new 
5-sp Discovery.  We're not crazy are we?  Are the Disco's as reliable as 
the other and older Land-Rovers?  I need the niceties of the Disco for 
use as my "going out for the evening vehicle", but it doesn't seem to 
compromise on ruggedness which I also want.  I can't afford the Defender 
anyway and especially can't afford a Range Rover.

I wish there were more reports from Discovery owners,  I'll post one when 
I get it but I suspect that may be two months from now.
                                
                                 Regards

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: Celebrity Rovers
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 13:56:03 -0600 (MDT)

One more hearsay to add to the celebrity list:

Kevin Costner allegedly has a black 88.

About a 2 years ago I caught a glimpse of a black 88 in Castle Rock, a
small community about 25 miles south of Denver.  I caught another
glimpse about a week later in the same region, but I was never able to
track it down for a closer look.  The Solihull Society holds its
meetings in Castle Rock (since it is a central location), but none of
the club members ever saw or heard of this vehicle.  Several mentioned
that the only known black 88 in the US belonged to Costner.

 
T. F. Mills                                              tomills@du.edu
University of Denver Library  2150 E. Evans Ave.  Denver  CO 80208  USA

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Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 13:03:31 -0700
From: jfhess@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (john hess)
Subject: importing rovers to US

Bill and others,

I am leaving for england in 6 hours.  I have investigated buying an english
rover and sending it home.  To this end, I have 2 pamphlets from the US
gov. concerning importation of vehicles:  first EPA-420-F-93-002, entitiled
Automotive Imports Fact Sheet, second, Importing A Car by the US customs
dept.

Answers to questions:

on epa page b-6 it says gas fueled light duty trucks and light duty
vehicles originally manufactured before jan 1, 1968 can be imported without
a bond by any individual or business and are excluded from the emission
requirements of the act.
You must file a form EPA 3520-1 declaring category "R" aplicable ie, older
than jan 1, 1968.

diesel fueled light-duty vehicles manufactured before Jan 1, 1975  form
3250, category "S".

diesel fueled light-duty trucks originally manufactured before Jan 1, 1976,
form 3250, category "T"

#2,3,4 can't help.

However, in the customs brochure, it says tourists can drive for one year
with their own license tags and without modification but must export the
vehicle after the year, no exemption or extension.

Duties:  I have heard that 2 door 88's are charged a 25% duty but 4 door
109's are 2.5% don't know for sure.  The customs broch. says autos are 2.5%
and trucks worth more than $1000 are 25%

Have fun rovering, I'll be anxious to read my pile of mail when I get back. 

John Hess jfhess@ucdavis.edu

john f hess phd (wow, really?)
jfhess@ucdavis.edu

from home via modem

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From: "Rostykus, John" <john@dspmail.Data-IO.COM>
Subject: RE: importing rovers to US
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 94 13:46:00 PDT

John Hess writes:
>Duties:  I have heard that 2 door 88's are charged a 25% duty but 4 door
>109's are 2.5% don't know for sure.  The customs broch. says autos are 2.5%
>and trucks worth more than $1000 are 25%
>Have fun rovering, I'll be anxious to read my pile of mail when I get back. 
none

The local LR dealer says part of the high price tag of the US Defender 90 is 
the 25% duty on all 2-door "imports".  I don't know if this is 2-door trucks 
or 2-door sport ute's or 2-door??? Range Rovers and Discoveries are charged 
at the 2.5% rate.   I'd check into this a bit, before bringing in a 2-door 
anything.

Enjoy your trip!

Rosty

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Rover on TV
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 94 18:23:18 EDT

> Maybe someone should be keeping a list of celebreties who own Rovers?
> The one's I've heard of are:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 23 lines)]
> story to Scotty who passsed it on to me.
> Any others?

I hear that Sting also owns a disco.

rd/datnigethang

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From: "John R. Benham" <BENHAM@WFOCLAN.USBM.GOV>
Date:          Mon, 22 Aug 1994 16:01:13 +1100
Subject:       RE: Rover Camping Gear

Dear LRO's,

    This camping gear and set up works for me and has been refined 
after years of geologic mapping and camping in Wilderness Areas
in the Western United States:

    - Dome style tent, North Face VE24 - large enough to store gear,
      small enough to pack economically - a tough tent!
    - Inflatible foam pad - comfy, but can be stored in small bag
    - Sleeping bag - down filled; warm nights used as comforter, cold
      nights, only down will make it!  Down breaths easier than
      synthetics
    - Lights: candle lanturn for tent, divers flashlight, 12v
      spotlight, propane camp lanturn
    - Coleman gasoline stove - always gas available; stove stand
    - REI roll-up table - strong, yets stores economically
    - Various knives, utencils, cheese graters, plastic cutting
      board, paper towels, stainless steel coffee perculator
    - Estwing axe and hatchet
    - Two Rubbermaid ACTIONPACKERS - best thing that ever happened
      in camp storage!  Holds all the above loose items including the
      Coleman stove.
    - 32 qt. ice chest
    - Two five gallon poly-military water containers
    - Shower set-up: 12v demand RV water pump - pumps heated Coleman
      stove water to shower head hooked on roof rack w/tarp for
      privacy if around public...  System is cheap and works great!
    - Various tarps and adjustable camp poles, numerous length dacron
      5 mm ropes, parachute cord, carabiners, and bungee cords.
      Poles are carried in 4" PVC pipe with screw plug at one end and
      secured to roof rack when traveling
    - 8'x10' tarp rolled on 1" PVC tied to the roof rack and can be
      quickly unrolled for shade.
    - Canvas water bags (that leak!!)
    - Camera gear: two Nikon F's w/various lenses.  Five inch
      Celestron SCT telescope - both packed in foam lined aluminum
      cases.
    - Small Shortwave radio with long wire antenna.
    - Fly fishing gear
    
    From all of this gear, one can throw a sleeping bag out on the 
grass; or set up a quick tent camp; or go all out and set up a 
complete campsite for a comfortable extended stay!  Properly stored, 
all of this gear does not take up that much room.  My setup makes 
a very comfortable camp.  You can see it set up at the Portland All 
British Meet during Labor Day holiday.

Regards,

John R. Benham
Spokane, WA USA

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Subject: Re: importing rovers to US 
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 16:16:12 -0700
From: Mike Fredette <mfredett@ichips.intel.com>

John and John write

>John Hess writes:
>>Duties:  I have heard that 2 door 88's are charged a 25% duty but 4 door
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 17 lines)]
>anything.
>Enjoy your trip!
>Rosty

The 25% duty referred to goes back a ways. In the early eighties, Ford and GM
were getting thier sport utility clocks cleaned by Toyota 4runners and Nissan
Pathfinders. Rather than build a better vehicle, the pressure lawmakers into
passing legislation slapping a 25% tarriff on all import 2 door sport utility
vehicles. The Japanese responded two years later by making them 4 door and 
thereby getting around the tarrif. The americans by this time, had entered into
several joint ventures with the japanese firms on SUV's so they couldn't get 
too carried away with protectionist measures without shooting themselves in the
foot. The Mazda Navahoe/Honda Passport is nothing more than a two door Ford Explorer
built on the same assy lines just with different badging and colors depending on whose
brand it is. What the US guys did do was slap an additional tarriff on all SUV under
6000 pounds gross vehicle weight. This explains why Land Rover Discoveries and Defender
90s are both slightly over this figure. In the Defenders case, they added heavier springs
to achieve this, at the expense of ride quality. My owners manual lists the GVW at 6003
pounds and it definately rides harsher than my old leaf sprung 72 Ser lll 88 did. The
mechanic at the dealer who is also in our rover club with his old lla "The Offender" instead of
Defender, suggested eventually switching to standard Defender 90 springs to help the situation.
So, yes, an old two door Land Rover would be subject to the above tarrifs, a four door 109
would not.								

								Rgds
								Mike Fredette
								94 Defender 90
								60 Ser ll 109
								Portland, Oregon

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Subject: Decorations for Portland ABFM
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 16:41:28 -0700
From: Mike Fredette <mfredett@ichips.intel.com>

Howdy
	This appeal is aimed mostly at Terriann and anyone
else coming up from California for the Portland All British
Field Meet. What we are in need of is decorations with a
jungle motif, specifically, can you scrounge a bunch of palm
fronds or banana plant leaves and pile em in the back of your 
LR and brign em along. I know this is short notice but if any
of you southern folk can help out, it'd be great. Portland Or
just flat doesn't have any palm trees anywhere to snag palm 
fronds from. I know Silicon Valley has some, maybe you could
liberate a few. RSVP to me, not the list pls.

					Rgds
					Mike Fredette
					94 Defender 90
					60 Ser ll 109
					Portland, Oregon

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From: YvesF@aol.com
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 94 20:14:19 EDT
Subject: LR's on the Information Highway!

Hi gang, new to the lro SIG... Current LR is a '63 109, a two door truck
which I found sitting in the weeds by shore of CT River here 2 years ago, in
Lyme .... price was "right" as all the investment would be in scrounged, new
and rebuilt parts to get it roadworthy again. 

The project took almost a year of spare time work by John Smith and Gary
Reynolds of Lyme (old LR dealers from the good old days) and involved welding
of a basically good frame (new rear section of course!) axles, diffs and
brakes from a good "88 wreck, a rebuilt 2.25 petrol engine from someone in
Mass., and complete rewiring, panel, lines, hydraulics, new Michelins on the
16" wheels,  all the usual good stuff. Tried an old Ford carb from the '30's,
- it was cute - but finally settled on a new Weber, works great.

Over course of the 2nd year added a Fairey O/Drive after a year looking for a
Toro, put on Warn hubs, and replaced the orig clutch and tranny (a real
whiner, wound up spitting teeth, should'a replaced 'em during the original
restoration!), new seats, and a set of hoops and military canvas cover for da
good ole' summertime.... hardtop in the winter as it's hard enuff to keep
warm in an LR in these New England winters, right?

A few new and recycled body parts (boy those tailgate bottoms ain't cheap,
are they.... and a nice original lite green paint job, and the machine is a
real honey. Cruises comfortably and quietly at 65-70 with the Fairey. Very
good for backwoods stuff, old lumber tote roads around here, and as one wag
put it, that bolt upright seating position in the LR is excellent for your
posture, and actually quite comfortable. (but of course.)

Mileage is around 12-14, up to 16-17 on h'way.

I rig up the LR as a radio "test bed" for various ham radio oddities, with
various military surplus antennas, masts, homemade VHF beams, etc. and work 6
and 2 meters regularly from the LR, and occasionally the low bands. An old
"Angry 5" Korean War surplus shortwave radio provides entertainment along the
way, it works fine off 6,12vdc or 110 vac for that matter. Excellent audio to
supplement the old analog dial stereo am/fm that came out of a junker, which
functions as the "normal" car radio.

It's nice to have something where you can  load it up with firewood
regularly, haul manure, hose down the bed, and so on... might not wanna do
that with a RR, don'cha know!

Someone had recently complained about getting black hands from an old LR
steering wheel. Same was true here. Price of genuine replacement wheel (with
the nice looking and feeling metal spokes, of course) outta sight, and a well
wrapped steering wheel cover solved that little problem. A little waxed
parcelling twine to identify the "king spoke" area helps during manoeuvering,
which will do until someone rigs up a nice mechanical quadrant rudder
position indicator!!!

btw, Rovers North was selling (last year) a nifty little Army Air Corps
surplus chart light, with spring tensioned reel, designed for a WW2 bomber
instrument panel.... very cheap, came in factory box from years ago, and is a
great little map/courtesy light.

I found the folks at RN to be tremendously helpful both during the
restoration phase and as I keep our family beastie going in good shape. If
you ever get to Westford, VT they've got quite an operation and the folks are
just super.

Back in the late 60's I had a very well used '61 88"SW which took a lot of
TLC, and I sold it to a young chappie who
drove it to Alaska and back over a 2 year period. He told me that one evening
while parked, he broke the gearshift lever.... whilst engaged in some
non-automotive endeavors, it seems. Oh me, the trials and tribulatiions of
youth 
("youttt") And I still see that machine on the road around here.

In '69 I bought a new '69 "88 and had it on the road for 14 years or so with
really minimal problems even though it
got rolled once and all those nice 90 deg. angles turned into complementary
89 and 91 deg. angles..... My daughter was strapped in her baby seat inside
at the time and she was pulled out of the LR turned turtle in the ditch,
without a scratch. She had vivid memories of how the "Landy Rover saved her
and Mom" and in those ensuing early childhood years, she wouldn't rest unless
I put her to bed with a "Land Rover story"!!!! I made up some doozies and she
would shriek with delight as the LR vanquished all sorts of imaginary foes!
We sure had fun with that, and in any case a new roof section took care of
that little nod in the direction of surrealism!!

"nuff reminiscing for now.

Cheerio, mateys, see ya out there.... somewhere!!

-Yves (Al "Al") W1EOX

                              YvesF@aol.com
                              w1eox@w1eox.ampr.org. tcp/ip [44.88.4.14]
                              Phacques (203) 663-3092

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Subject: mil bits
From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 94 18:19:09 -0500

The military spec 110s have a locker just forward of the rear wheel to 
stow a jerry can.

Does anyone know if the hard ware for this is available as an accessory 
set or spares set so that one could say put the lock into a civ spec 
vehcile? Anyone got the part numbers for these bits? How about RN Jan? 
Can you give us some input?

RGDS

Robin Craig

--
Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
Ottawa Valley Land Rovers / FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

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