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4 Jon Humphrey [jh5r+@andr22Re: Rust Buster (was new RN toy...)
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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Land Rover Camping
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 1994 08:56:43 UNDEFINED

>Your rig sounds very luxurious!  Me? I sleep in the dirt.  After camping for
>about 50 years, I have gone minimalist.  I have tried back packing, tents,
>tent trailers, a VW camper, bicycle camping and now a 16 foot open Swampscott
>dory (the oceangoing equivalent of a Land Rover - it is slow, goes anywhere
>and gets you back home despite the roughest conditions).  

>I have come to the opinion that too much equipment tends to block the view.
> Camping becomes the end in itself rather than merely a means of staying out
>where you can see a billion stars in the still desert air, fish at dawn,
>watch the phosphorescence when you drop your anchor after the dark, travel in
>wilderness, enjoy the smell of a campfire.

Yeah I couldnt imagine doing it any other way in the desert. Its great to be 
able to just  chuck your bag in the dust and sleep under the stasrs (as long 
as youre awake before the harvester ants you chucke you bag on top of.....)

But it doesnt work too well in the UK. Too many things fall on you - rain, 
bricks thrown by passing local yobs - and soenone will nick the Landrover 
while you're asleeep.

Horses for courses.

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Date: Fri, 19 Aug 1994 07:27:21 -0400
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Bill's VT Trip

I just returned from a long weekend in Vermont.  What a great time.

On the night before I was to leave, when I went to top off the tank of my 88, 
I discovered the 25 year old radiator was spraying out coolant in a big way. 
I yanked it out (thank god for air ratchets) and replaced it with the 
repaired radiator from my 109.  After retightening some clamps it seemed to 
be holding up quite well, so I decided to go for it.

On my way up early the next morning I expected to run into traffic on the 
throughway on the way past the Woodstock exit (First day of the concert).  
Fortunately it was pretty light.  I did get passed by a number of psychedelic 
Dodge Caravans and econoboxes, but aside from some folks on the overpasses in 
tie dyed clothes waving peace sign banners (I gave them a honk and a peace 
sign as I passed making them much more animated), there wasn't much 
happening.  On the overpass for the concert exit there was a steady stream of 
folks crossing the highway.  North of the Saugerties exit there were dozens 
of school buses coming down the highway shuttling concertgoers to the 
festival.  I was glad I had passed it.  My idea of a vacation is getting away 
from crowds, not spending it with a couple of hundred thousand others.

My first stop was ABP.  They are expanding the parts warehouse area (Range 
Rover and Sterling parts are really picking up) and adding more staff.  Dick 
told me about his Discovery.  He said he would rather have bought a 90 now 
that he had gotten familiar with it.  Dick felt that the gear ratios on the 
5-speed were too closely spaced and that second was too close to first (keep 
in mind that Dick Taylor is more of a business man than an enthusiast).  He 
did say, however that his wife and kids loved it.  I also saw Bob Fischer in 
his shop next door.  He's doing fine and had plenty to say about the welding 
on the front chassis legs on my 88, and none of it was complimentary.  So 
much for making a guy feel good.

Friday night I had dinner with Rich Zeigler (formerly of ABP).  He had 2 88s 
in his driveway aside from his own that he was working on.  One was getting a 
new rear crossmember and bulkhead & door alignment and the other was getting 
gearbox seals (leaking like a sieve between main box and transfer).  He asked 
that I pass along that he's alive and well and doing Land Rover work in the 
Rutland area.  His number is 802-773-1585.

I stayed at My ski club's lodge just outside of Rutland.  Nice place and 
cheap ($5/night for members).  If you're interested in what it looks like, 
borrow a copy of "Mysterious New England" by Yankee books from your library. 
Look up the chapter titled "Spirit Capitol of the Universe".  Lots of 
history.  Lots of spooks.  I'll never sleep in the old section of the 
house alone ever again.  Never ever again.  Did it once.  Now I sleep in the 
new addition... with the radio on.

Saturday I cruised up to Rover's North.  What a beautiful drive.  Mark is 
really expanding the place and adding new staff also.  I got to spend some 
time with him searching for hinge pin parts (they're on sale now-keep an eye 
out for their flyer) as some of the parts locations had been rearranged.  It 
was really fun seeing all the stuff they have in stock (like a kid in a candy 
store).  Mark showed me his "new" 90 that he just put a 200 TDI in.  What a 
neat engine.  Starts right up, doesn't sound too noisy (but does sound 
authoritative) and the kit seems well engineered.  I wished we could have 
gone for a ride but I had taken too much of his time as it was.  He said that 
it was netting him 30 mpg at this point with only a few thousand miles on it, 
and pulled like a train up and over Smuggler's Notch (he felt it was stronger 
than a V-8, at least on steep hills).  I could handle that.  If you're 
interested and have the wherewithal, the kit runs $7000 (I'm interested, but 
don't have the wherewithal).  I asked Mark about the Discovery 5-speed 
and he said he liked it better than the automatic.  The only recommendation I 
could give is to drive one before you place your order.  

While I was there a pair of my fellow OVLR members (who shall remain 
nameless) arrived and proceeded to try to wangle Mark out of 109 rear brake 
backplate, cylinder, shoe, and drum combinations for $85.  Gee, it sounded so 
good I thought I might spring for a pair myself and upgrade the front brakes 
on my 88.  Mark, being a little too sharp for them, pulled the ad and pointed 
out that the drums were $60 additional.  They hemmed and hawed and left with 
a little less than they came for.  You just gotta watch out for those wily 
Canadians.

I left Rover's North and headed south towards Stowe via Smuggler's Notch.  
Unlike Mark's TDI being able to climb the notch in 5th, I made it up in 3rd 
then 2nd, and used 1st briefly while navigating the boulders on the way down 
(Trucks and trailers are prohibited from the pass.  At the top you have to 
negotiate a maze of boulders and one lane areas with sharp switchback turns 
that require full steering lock.  Great fun but don't be in a hurry).  After 
that I stopped in Stowe and biked their bike path.  It runs about 6 miles 
one way and parallels and criss crosses the river going out of town.  A very 
nice ride with lots of nice scenery and plenty of babes on bikes and blades.

On Sunday I visited the Shelbourne Museum - lots and lots of Americana - 
pretty interesting, but with 37+ buildings, it got kind of tiring.

Monday I cruised into Woodstock VT (where I saw a black Discovery) then hiked 
down Queeche Gorge.  Beautiful place with spectacular vistas.

Tuesday I headed home and was passed by a dark blue Discovery (nice color) 
along the way.  Nice truck but it draws nowhere near the attention of a 
canvas topped 88.

The 88 behaved very well throughout the trip and used a quart of oil in about 
800 miles (Since I replaced the distributor gasket and cork ring, my oil 
consumption has dropped noticeably).  It rode a lot nicer loaded up with 
tools and luggage than without and zipped along the interstates quite well at 
between an indicated 90-100kph on 235-R15s.  The other folks at the ski club 
lodge I stayed at were surprised I drove all the way up from NJ in the 88.  
Aside from commuting to work, I wouldn't travel any other way.  Except of 
course, in the 109.

Bill

maloney@wings.attmail.com

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Subject: Mileage for assorted  rover power plants; UK used L/R dealers
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 94 09:38:30 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

Hi !
	All right, so before I go all over the country side looking for 
an x-mod rover (109" or 110"), I just wanted to ask about mileages for
2.5 Turbo Diesels and county V-8s - would you folks have any experience there ? 
(Since the Sept LRO had that tidy looking V-8 110" pickup in the classifieds)

                       		US      UK      
			mpL	mpg	mpIg	LWB     Rack    OD
        2.25 petrol     4.3	16-18   20-24   -1.5    -1.5    +1.5
             diesel     5.5	22      25      -1      
	2.5  diesel  ?
	Tdi	   ?
	Carb. V-8  ?
        R/R EFI v-8     4.5	18

	On the subject of UK used L/R dealers, Foley, Gott, Blanchard,
	Jackson, Vass, Brooklyn, Crook, etc, etc. are all reasonable sized
	advertisers in LRO   (I always wonder if I should look at the 1/4 page
	advertisers first, 'cause I know those full pager advertisers are
	spending lots of quid, potnetially my hard-earned quid :-) 

	Any advice from those with experience or close to it in the UK ?

	Cheers,
	- Bill   caloccia@stratus.com

	Stratus Computer Ltd
	Central House, Lampton Road
	Hounslow, Middlesex, TW3 1HY,  U.K.
	tele: +44 81 570 4433
	fax:  +44 81 569 4755

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Date: Fri, 19 Aug 1994 10:04:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Rust Buster (was new RN toy...)

Dixon wrote about the frame oiler party:
>> What's the bit about oiling the chassis -- what does that involve??
>        See mail message... For anyone else, OVLR has an annual frame
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
>        don't mind becoming an oily mess for a couple hours, it really
>        doesn't involve very much...
SO what kind of oil do you guys use?
Can I just do an Autumn oil change and use the gunky black stuff that is
coming out of the sump? I have plenty of that stuff in my fancy plastic
oil change container. The one where you take your old oil to some
enviromentaly responsible recycler instead of dumping it in the weeds or
in the storm sewer.
Also do you use a plastic spray bottle, or a pump oil can, or some
exotic air powered mechanism?
As Jan Hillborne sez "Curious minds want to know"
Thanks
Jon

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Date: Fri, 19 Aug 1994 10:44:24 -0400
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Thank You Bill

Bill,

I just wanted to drop you a note to say thank you for keeping up the LRO 
mailing list.  It's the one thing at my office that I look forward to and 
really helps break up the day.  It's great to be able to come out of a 
stressful meeting and access my mail to find some fun stuff on Land Rovers.

You put up with a lot in terms of impatient people trying to subscribe or 
unsubscribe while you're busy being bounced back and forth across the 
Atlantic.  It must be a bit aggravating at times (considering what you're 
paid to administer the list) but you seem to take it in good humour.

And I apologize for sending those "Help Me Please Subscribe" messages with 
the 20+ page breaks a while back.  I'm not quite sure how that happened, but 
I do now check the length of my messages before sending them.

I hope your search for a 110 goes well.  You must let us know what you have 
to go through to get it over here.  I would definately go for the TDI, but I 
would have the powerplant checked out first by experienced TDI mechanic 
before parting with my Ls.

Bill

maloney@wings.attmail.com

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Date: Fri, 19 Aug 94 08:29:28 -0600
From: Grettir Asmundarson <grettir@keflavik.wordperfect.com>
Subject: Re: Our new acquisition

[Beginning of quoted text.]

We got home, and had to park in the gravel parking area because the  
container completely blocked the driveway.  John bounced over to the  
container doors and helped me open the bars and swing the door open.  
I gaped at the opening.  There was a *whole* Land Rover back right at  
the door mouth.  Not individual tires, panels, axles and the like,  
but the whole body of it in the matte, brush painted, radar absorbent  
green of an ex-Military vehicle.  It looked nearly *whole*.

[End of quoted text.]

So, what would have happened if Customs had cracked open the box,  
looked inside, and seen a nearly whole vehicle?  Would there have  
been trouble or did you already have an idea of how much the vehicle  
had to be disassembled in order to come into the country as "parts?"   
Who did the shipping for you?

Full of questions,
Grettir

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Date: Fri, 19 Aug 1994 11:31:35 -0400
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: US Disco Accessories

When I was at ABP last weekend I picked up a list of Discovery accessories for 
 a fellow at work who had placed an order for a blue automatic.  If you're 
interested in a copy give them a call at 1-800-533-2210 or 2208.

Bill

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Date: Fri, 19 Aug 94 08:46:40 MST
From: DEBROWN@srp.gov
Subject: LR 110 first sighting...

FROM:  David Brown                          Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist
       AM/FM - PAB204 X-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: LR 110 first sighting...
Hi all! I'm relatively new to the LR world, and actually don't have
one...YET! But I'm ready to place an order for one, a fully loaded
Discovery. I must admit, though, that I have recently seen my first 110.
In a word... "WOW!" I am in love! It even tempted me to think about a
110 instead of the Discovery. The one I saw was a '93, and according to
the salesman it was kind of customized by (I forget who now) someone
associated with Land Rover somehow. Anyway, it was immaculate, and they
wanted $41K. It was gone within a few days!

As for my imminent Discovery purchase, there's a 3 month waiting list at
my local dealer. Does anyone know what the '95's will offer? I have
heard that there will be a 5% increase in price :( and power seats :)
which I would presume would be included and not an option. Has anyone
heard anything else to confirm or dispute this???

How about any subscribers in the UK? I'd like any comments on the Disco,
any problem areas? Who's got the most miles on one? Any news on the '95
models?

I've been comparing the available sport utility vehicles sold in the USA
and my conclusion is: There is no comparison. Anyone that chooses
anything other than a Discovery (that could afford one) is a sick
individual and should be committed to an institution and/or shot. (IMHO)
I should clarify: For carrying 5 or more people, and commuting every day
with it. Otherwise, for purely off road use, the Defender would be the
vehicle of choice.

Anyway... I'd LOVE to hear any comments that anyone has. Thanks!!!!

   #=====#              "Never doubt that a small group of individuals
   |___|__\___           can change the world... indeed, it's the only
   |   |   |  |          thing that ever has."
"  "`O'""""`O'"                                               -unknown

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From: "Rostykus, John" <john@dspmail.Data-IO.COM>
Subject: Re: Our new acquisition
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 94 08:56:00 PDT

>From: Grettir Asmundarson
>To: Land-Rover-Owner; john
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
>Who did the shipping for you?
>Full of questions,
>Grettir

I have never attempted to do something like this before, so I was rather 
paranoid about doing it within the rules.  For the record, I did not import 
a vehicle, I imported a lot of parts (~1 and a half vehicles worth).  There 
is a point at which a disassembled vehicle becomes 'parts'.  I relied on 
'experienced' folks in England to decide how far to disassemble it (they 
have done this many times before...), which is why I wasn't quite sure how 
far they'd go.  Basically, they removed the doors, engine, gearbox, prop 
shafts, wings, grill, bumper (roughly, everything from the firewall 
forward).  They did a wonderful job of packing all these bits in a way that 
was easy to sort out, and they all survived shipping w/o damage.

What if customs decided to inspect?  I believe they would have considered 
them parts.  This is purely speculation (I have no proof...), but from the 
various people I've talked to, I'm fairly confident of this.  Note: I did 
this is for parts only.  I do not have paperwork that I can use to turn 
around and title/license this vehicle.  However, I now have a wonderful 
parts supply to rebuild a couple of rovers...

I set up the shipping with a local company called 'Tower Group 
International'.  I just looked up 'Freight Forwarders' in the Yellow Pages, 
and got a variety of quotes.  In my case, I wanted 'door-to-door' service. 
 This means they cover: dropping off the container at the vehicle site in 
England, take the loaded container to the ship, deliver to a US port, walk 
it through customs (this actually occured before the container arrived), 
handle all the paperwork (duty, extra forms, customs bond, etc.), ship the 
container to Seattle on a rail car, drop the container off in my driveway, 
and pick it up when I finished emptying it.  This also included 'insurance' 
for the whole journey (a must, in my opinion).

There are many ways to handle shipping.  The cheapest is a roll-on/roll-off 
ferry, which can work if the vehicle is 'whole' (i.e. a pre-1968).  If you 
go with a container, you can trade off 'door-to-door' for 'going to their 
warehouse' to load it.  The nice thing about a container is, once you pay 
the flat shipping fee, you can literally pack it to the gills for no extra 
shipping charge.  This is ideal, if you plan well, and get all your LR 
friends to place their orders for parts, and pitch in on the shipping.

Hope this answers your questions...

John Rostykus
john@data-io.com

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Date: Fri, 19 Aug 94 09:15:56 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Land Rover Camping 

In message <Pine.3.05.9408182030.A29781-b100000@mira.cc.umanitoba.ca> David John
Place writes:
> I have found that the aluminum track for the side of trailers to hold the
> sun shade is great for Land Rovers.  It is the type you pull rope through.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
> owners are about 20 to 30 and still crazy!  Hi Hi.  Maybe there is hope
> for me yet.  Dave VE4PN

Dave,  You and I are the same age.

I have resisted a roof rack because of the increased wind resistance it would 
create.  And besides a 109 2 door should have enough space to store a weeks 
camping gear and my dog.

I'm not sure what you mean by aluminum track.

I've toyed with the idea of a widow shade like awning, like you see on RVs.  It 
would be very fast to set up.  But to get the kind of slope you need to have 
rain run off, I would almost have to move around on my knees.  I would need to 
pick up 1 or 2 feet higher than the side of my 109 to get a good slope and stand
up.  Also, I would have to take it down anytime I moved the LR.  Which is fine 
if I'm on the road and stop to cook a meal in the rain, but a pain if I'm 
spending time photographing from a base camp.

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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Date: Fri, 19 Aug 94 09:43:03 PDT
From: Murali_Venkat@Novell.COM (Murali Venkat)
Subject: unsubscribe
 Plz unsubscribe me..

 Thanks much

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Date: Fri, 19 Aug 94 12:53:13 EDT
From: sat@eng.tridom.com (Stephen Thomas)
Subject: '95 Discovery (Was Re: LR 110 first sighting...)

> Does anyone know what the '95's will offer? I have
> heard that there will be a 5% increase in price :( and power seats :)
> which I would presume would be included and not an option. Has anyone
> heard anything else to confirm or dispute this???

FWIW, salesman at the local dealership said the only difference
between '94 and '95 would be the serial number and the price. He'd
didn't know (or wouldn't say) how much of a price increase, but
I've heard 3% from another source. He also said that Ardennes Green
and Caprice Teal were out as colors. Two new colors (he didn't
know which) would replace them.

_____________________________________________
Stephen Thomas   AT&T Tridom   (404-514-3522)
email: sat@eng.tridom.com, attmail!tridom!sat

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Date: Fri, 19 Aug 1994 13:45:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Land Rover Camping

TeriAnn needs an extra 2 feet above the land rover;
>I've toyed with the idea of a widow shade like awning, like you see on
none
RVs.  It 
>would be very fast to set up.  But to get the kind of slope you need to have 
>rain run off, I would almost have to move around on my knees.  I would
need to 
>pick up 1 or 2 feet higher than the side of my 109 to get a good slope
and >stand
>up.  Also, I would have to take it down anytime I moved the LR.  Which
is fine 
>if I'm on the road and stop to cook a meal in the rain, but a pain if I'm 
>spending time photographing from a base camp.

Possibly the extension handles used for paint rollers could give you
that extra two to three feet needed. They have them in any commercial
paint store. They have them in fiberglass, or aluminum and the locking
collars are quite strong as are the poles. Properly attached to the
truck they could almost look nice.
Just a design thought
Jon

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Subject: forwarded mis-directed entry
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 94 14:03:54 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

Digest subscribers should be careful that the address on their replies is 
		To: land-rover-owner@team.net

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Date: 15 Aug 94 16:13:39 EDT
From: "BENJAMIN G. NEWMAN" <71773.3457@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
Message-ID: <940815201339_71773.3457_FHM65-1@CompuServe.COM>

Dear Folks:

I have been asked to comment on my experiences in buying a Land Rover from 
Warwick 4 X 4. The bottom line is, the experience was wonderful and it went 
without any significant hitches. 

I wanted an 88", 3-door Land Rover which had to be a pre-1967 to be imported 
to the United States. Warwick acquired a 1962 Series II and redid it to Series
III specifications. Sepcifically, they basically maintained the original body 
and fire wall and put that on a brand new, zinc, galvanized chassis. They 
reconditioned the gear box, converted to left-hand drive, added a new brake 
system including dual circuit, servo assist, disk brakes in front and 
Cupro-nickle pipes. They put in a new interior with high-back front seats and 
took out the useless middle seat and added a cubby box to it, which is very 
useful. They put a new interior with door trims, carpets, sound proofing and 
roof headlining. The entire vehicle was painted in my specific choice of 
color. I had an over-drive put into it and I decided to put in a Turner, 
rebuilt, 2.5 4-cylinder engine. It is my understanding that the Turner rebuilt
engine is the finest in the world. Warwick 4 x 4 usually does not use Turner 
engines, but I found it an easy thing to do to contact Turner myself and have 
the engine delivered. The whole process took approximately 14 weeks.

After the vehicle was completed and test driven, it was placed in its 
individual container and put on a ship that is organized by Warwick and 
shipped to the United States.

On the receiving end, I called an export-import broker in Jacksonville, 
Florida and they made all the arrangements to have the container off-loaded, 
inspected by customs and, generally, have it ready for my pick-up. 
Surprisingly, it went well, without any hitch. The only problem customs had 
was they could not understand how a 1962 vehicle had 50 miles on the odometer.

I have had this vehicle now for 2,000 miles and it is absolutely a marvelous 
piece of equipment without any significant problems. The only problem I had 
was it blew a fuse because the windshield wiper wires were reversed. Other 
than that, the engine works flawlessly, has not burned any oil and, believe it
or not, thus far no fluids are dripping on my driveway.

If anyone would like to have more details about this operation, please do not 
hesitate to call me or contact me via internet
Benjamin G. Newman,MD
1962 88'series 111
1967 109' series 11A SW
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Subject: newbie[@aol]
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 94 14:09:16 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

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Date: Fri, 19 Aug 94 11:17:14 EDT
Subject: new member

Howdy Rover nuts! Just read about this forum in the Spring issue of "the
Aluminum Workhorse" and thought I'd toss my hat into the ring.
The name's Eric Cope and my AOL address is: Bwana E    , my Internet address
is bwanae@aol.com   . Current vehicles are:
' 72 SWB, 2 1/4 petrol, refurbished.
' 67 LWB , 2.6 NADA 6-cyl, station wagon, 100% restored.
' 63 SWB, 2 1/4 petrol, RHD, bad chassis and bulkhead, but hey... it
                was free (hadn't been driven in 4 years and was quietly
                    rotting away in Bodega Bay, Ca.). 

I'm starting work on the ' 63 now and need a solid chassis and bulkhead to
proceed.... anybody out there have any leads? I'm also always on the lookout
for a spare 2.6 litre, NADA 6-cyl engine that I could overhaul and keep
tucked away in the garage.

Thanks, Eric.

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Subject: Rover Availability 
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 94 15:04:34 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

At the AROC event, John and I met a Bill from the Penaine & Yorks. club,
and he's landed a job working in the states (Buffalo) - don't know if
any subscribers are from Buffalo.  He'll probably join the list once
he gets a computer sorted out over there. He's sold his trialler, and 
his Rangie and another vehicle are on the block.  He's sorting out bits
in his garage, 'cause he won't be taking all his bits with him.  Evidently,
he's quite handy repairing the innards of gear boxes & transfer cases and
the like, and has a pile of parts from ones torn down, not to mention some
spare engines and other bits to get rid of.

I'll be up that way next w/e (Bank Holiday) to Wigan on Friday for a site
visit, and then over the Penaines to Yorks for his club w/e.

At the present time we're both in the market for LWBs - he is contemplating
either a 109 or a 110.  I'm looking more for a solid 109 at this time.

I got the Septermber LRO yesterday and have been ringing up folks since.

Basically, the business seems to be that most of the suppliers with ex-mod
will buy them direct (at auction), and will then have them hanging about,
with one or two that are checked and fitted.

On inquiry, they'll show you an example of what they'll do before putting it
on the road, etc., and you could buy one that is ready to go, or ask for
whatever particular bits and pieces you want, and they'll build it to order.

Some of the places will sell a 109" in running condition, other wise, they're
'as is' from the MOD.  Some  places won't sell one unless it's been gone
over entirely (#4000 +).  A couple of the larger places had lhd's in stock
(some in quantity), but most  siad they would do them to order, as they only
stocked rhds.  Prices are all for X-Mod 109" 2.25 petrol Soft-Tops,
RHD, unless noted otherwise, w/ MOT & reg.papers.

	PA Blanchard			#2500-3000
			Cab diesel '81	#3950
			Xmod SW '81	#3950
	LW VASS				#2650+vat
			truck cab	#3000
	L/R Center			#4000
	Crook Bros			#3500-4000
	Brooklyn			#2500-3500
	Jackson				#3000-5250
	N.London	(not gone over)	#2200	
			some going over	#2500

So basically, I'll visit Brooklyn, maybe a couple other places. I haven't
managed to sell all of the fleet in the states (including a '69 L/R, new
foot wells and door posts presently in the rear awaiting welding...and
an '85 XR4Ti), so the top-end at lhd,'81,5dr, only 30,000km for $7800 still
seems a bit far away, but I'd prefer a 4 door... (I've only ever owned one
four-door anything in eight cars.)

I checked with the AA and got another insurance quote, the additional cost for 
LHD would be #34/year (~#535 for rhd), so that seems reasonable. I figure I can
really screw up my mind for a couple years  - driving on the left side of the
road with a left hand drive and get away with it.

	-B

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Date: Fri, 19 Aug 1994 17:40:35 EDT
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: Mid Atlantic Rally

Trying hard to get out of town...5:30 and the report is almost
finished...it'll save the state highway department a couple o' mil.  As
soon as it's in the post, I'm off to the site of the rally: we have a work
weekend to put the finishing touches on the trials course.  Got a skip
loader to dig a suitable mud bog in a naturally boggy area, but with 3-5"
of rain two days ago, that might be "coals to Newcastle".  (I sure hope the
construction materials for the Camel Trophy-style bridge didn't get washed
downstream!)  Then it's off for a week of four wheelin' in the western
VA/NC mountains - no destination...just wherever the the road leads.  See
ya'll in a week.

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Subject: Re: Rust Buster (was new RN toy...)
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 94 19:53:43 -0500

Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

> SO what kind of oil do you guys use?

        It has varied through the years.  Last year was some kind of
        specialised Texaco stuff used for rust proofing.

> Can I just do an Autumn oil change and use the gunky black stuff that is
> coming out of the sump? I have plenty of that stuff in my fancy plastic
> oil change container. The one where you take your old oil to some
> enviromentaly responsible recycler instead of dumping it in the weeds or
> in the storm sewer.

        I wouldn't use the stuff from the sump.  It isn't the best stuff to
        use and probably has all sorts of junk in it.  Used oil is sent for
        recycling whenever the city allows people to bring it in.

> Also do you use a plastic spray bottle, or a pump oil can, or some
> exotic air powered mechanism?

        We have a set of rather large steel ramps to drive the Land Rovers
        up on so you can easily get underneath the beast.  From there is is
        a sprayer attached to a very large 5hp 2 stage compressor.  It does
        quite a good job with what ever attachments happen to come along to
        the event.  The Oiler is generally a day long event with a number
        of Land Rovers (plus an MGB that showed last year).  The club kitchen
        trailer comes along for feeding the assembled people lunch et cetera.

        Rgds,

        Dixon

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
Ottawa Valley Land Rovers / FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Fri, 19 Aug 1994 22:09:48 -0600 (MDT)
From: Stevens <stevensh@cuug.ab.ca>
Subject: US-model Defender "90s" and prices

Just noticed a correction notice in the Globe and Mail newspaper. It 
appears Land Rover Canada copy checkers let their ad get into Time 
magazine, World of Wheels mag and a couple of other mags with an 
incorrect (US dollar?) price. The correction says the price for the new 
90 should be $33,800 (CDN). I checked the ad, and it says prices 
"starting around $27,900." I hadn't noticed it the first time I read the 
ad, and wonder how many people read the complete copy and ran down to 
order their "bargain" Defenders.

By the way, Lone Star Motors, the Land Rover dealer here in Calgary has 
an ad in the local paper today warning that they've  got _only_ two (2) 
Defenders left at $33,799, with $6,534 worth of options at no extra 
charge, then they list: full canvas, running boards, installed rear seats 
and belts, alloy wheels, freight. For those on the list looking for a 
Defender, perhaps Western Canada is the promised land. (I have no 
involvement with Lone Star, I'm just trying to be a Land Rover facilitator).

-- Henry

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[|______|_______|]    Calgary, Alberta, CANADA
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 | o  [####]  o |      
 ======%%%%======  "Without a real car, I'm only
 {*}={&&}====={*}   half a man." -Dean Jones
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